[00:49] <ccheney> ugh it pulls in more classes i have to subclass override due to struct changes :-\
[04:13] <robert_ancell> mclasen, hey, thanks for the simple-scan review
[04:13] <mclasen> np
[04:14] <mclasen> this was with 0.9.5, btw
[05:27] <ccheney> finally down to 4 symbols, grr
[05:32] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, can you build and release xdg-utils from bzr?
[05:32] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: sure in a bit.
[05:33] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, thanks
[05:33] <robert_ancell> really must get main permissions...
[05:36] <ccheney> found another evil symbol :-\
[05:36] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: what branch do I use for xdg-utils? Ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu?
[05:37] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: nvm I have an existing branch for it here.
[05:38] <robert_ancell> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xdg-utils/ubuntu
[05:39] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: yeah no problem as I said above.
[05:56] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I'd support you if you were to apply for core-dev.
[05:56] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, just so I stop bugging you :)
[05:56] <TheMuso> heh no really, I would.
[05:56] <TheMuso> Anyway uploaded.
[06:00] <robert_ancell> see you all next week
[06:01] <RAOF> :)
[06:01] <robert_ancell> RAOF, let try to meet up sometime next week!
[06:02] <RAOF> Yes!
[06:09]  * ccheney off to bed, bbl
[06:10] <RAOF> Who wants to bet that xulrunner doesn't have a stable javascript JIT engine on armel?
[06:11] <lifeless> s/ on armel//
[07:14] <didrocks> good morning
[07:15] <RAOF> Good morning didrocks
[07:15] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I guess it's only visible when you disable acceleration in your graphic card
[07:15] <didrocks> hey RAOF, how are you?
[07:16] <RAOF> Good.  It's pretty much the weekend now :)
[07:16] <didrocks> heh ;)
[07:16] <RAOF> So I get to switch from f-spot to banshee ;)
[07:17] <didrocks> what do you add to banshee?
[07:19] <pitti> Bonjour mesdames et monsieurs
[07:19] <RAOF> My gapless branch has just landed, and it seems that fiddling with the core of Banshee has introduced a couple of bugs :)
[07:20] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, how was the magic show?
[07:25] <pitti> didrocks: bonjour! it was brilliant, really
[07:25] <didrocks> sweet :) glade you enjoyed it!
[07:25] <pitti> leaves a lot of question marks in your face :)
[07:31] <didrocks> heh, I can imagine :-)
[07:42] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I've commented on the LP issue I get, they open a firefox task, can you have a look and talk to upstream (as it's also on upstream tarball), please?
[08:13] <pitti> I have to leave for ~ 1 hour, doctor appointment
[08:14] <didrocks> see you pitti
[08:26] <seb128> hello there
[08:37] <RAOF> seb128: Good morning.\
[08:38] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:39] <seb128> hey RAOF didrocks
[08:40] <seb128> RAOF, how was your week? how is nouveau doing?
[08:40] <RAOF> Nouveau's going nicely.
[08:40] <seb128> nice ;-)
[08:40] <RAOF> My call for testing has resulted in a flood of... no new bugs.
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks, how are you?
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: very well, thanks, sun has gone away for the week-end apparently, but apart from that good ;) You?
[08:41] <seb128> didrocks, same here
[08:41] <seb128> it's grey today
[08:41] <seb128> not complaining since it's a work day ;-)
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but apparently we will enjoy "work day weather" during the week-end :)
[08:42] <RAOF> I quite like it when its grey here.  It means its (probably) not going to be annoyingly hot :)
[08:42] <seb128> RAOF, here is means it's annoyingly freezing :p
[08:43] <seb128> and yeah, it's not only lucid which is freezing
[08:43] <seb128> ;-)
[08:43] <didrocks> seb128: I saw that you can even have some snow today near your area
[08:43] <seb128> didrocks, indeed!
[08:43] <RAOF> You crazy people in the wrong season.  Everyone knows that March is autumn.
[08:43] <didrocks> RAOF: heh :-)
[08:44] <seb128> don't worry it freezes at night in autumn too there sometime ;-)
[08:44] <RAOF> Speaking of crazy people... seb128, up for a little light f-spot sponsoring on bug #484887?
[08:45] <RAOF> I'm looking forward to Hobart winters.  They're properly cold.  Frost and all!
[08:46] <RAOF> Properly cold, without being OMG I'M SNOWED IN cold :)
[08:48] <seb128> RAOF, sponsoring, sure!
[08:49] <RAOF> Feel free to have a play around and mention any other obvious behaviours it should have that I just haven't thought of :)
[08:58] <seb128> RAOF, will do
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:24] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:24] <seb128> how are you?
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, yeah, good thanks
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:25] <seb128> good thanks
[09:25] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson ;)
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> how are you today?
[09:27] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, despite my FF + LP issue that drives me crazy :)
[09:27] <didrocks> you?
[09:27] <pitti> re
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - yeah, i'm good thanks. despite your FF + LP issue that drives me crazy too ;)
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh ;-)
[09:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: as it's in the tarball, I think showing this to upstream is maybe the good choice. I've added new hints today
[09:29] <didrocks> it's obviously a layout functionnality that LP is using that get on FF's nerves :)
[09:29] <pitti> seb128, chrisccoulson: good morning, how are you?
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti. good thanks how are you?
[09:30] <pitti> I'm great, thanks; lots of stuff to do today..
[09:30] <pitti> OMGbeta
[09:30] <seb128> pitti, hey pitti, I'm very good thanks
[09:30] <seb128> pitti, how are you? how was the show yesterday?
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've got quite a lot of stuff to do as well
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - did you say you were using the NV driver?
[09:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you get the firefox lp issue now?
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: the show was awesome -- totally flabbergasting
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - no, i don't get it at all
[09:31] <pitti> We left it with lots of "Huh?" question marks in our faces :)
[09:31] <seb128> ;-)
[09:31] <pitti> first the guys came to the tables and showed little tricks there
[09:31] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I tried with nv and nouveau. I think that not having accelerated driver is what make the issue noticeable
[09:31] <pitti> and then they had a stage show
[09:33] <seb128> pitti, sounds fun ;-)
[09:33] <didrocks> and today pitti is scratching his head to try to understand what happened :-)
[09:34] <pitti> I think I understood just one trick
[09:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, pitti: does any of you plan any gpm upload?
[09:40] <pitti> not today
[09:40] <seb128> ok, I will sponsor bug #529911 then
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i was going to modify the apport hook in the same way as gnome-screensaver
[09:41] <seb128> or let one of you do that
[09:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, can you please get that one liner in too?
[09:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's no problem
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> we're not frozen yet are we?
[09:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we just got frozen
[09:42] <pitti> but that sounds like an appropriate fix
[09:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: assigning that one to you then
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - what about the changes to the apport hook?
[09:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: sounds fine
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> cool, will work on that then
[09:42] <pitti> basically, anything which potentially destabilizes Ubuntu -> no no no
[09:43] <pitti> anything which fixes bugs with low regression potential, or helps us debugging beta-1 -> bring it on
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i just noticed a merge request in gpm (bug 522972)
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> do you think thats useful for me to merge too?
[10:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson: apport hook improvements are generally fine, I think
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> cool, i'll add that too then
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> has anybody else recreated bug 533652 out of interest?
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> i generally don't let my battery become critically low
[10:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no, but isn't that just notify with action fallback for you?
[10:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I can let my mini empty and tell you after lunch
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, but i reverted the upstream change which caused this
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> so i'm a bit confused :-/
[10:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, mini is emptying, I will tell you
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> the last few builds i've done on my laptop have been painfully slow
[10:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is that because you were building openjdk or firefox there?
[10:26] <seb128> ;-)
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> not this time
[10:26] <seb128> hum, gpm notify bubbles are buggy
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> the last few builds i've done seem to be taking a very long time unpacking the build-depends
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> ah, so i need to fix that too
[10:27] <seb128> the battery info key gives a "(null) not present"
[10:27] <seb128> line after the bubble title
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> battery info key? i'm not sure i have one of them
[10:27] <seb128> it has a small battery display
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> oh, i've got one, but it does nothing ;)
[10:27] <seb128> it's fn-f3 there
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> yeah, same here. but mine doesn't do anything
[10:28] <seb128> I'm still trying to get the low battery test
[10:28] <seb128> I played with the gconf threshold
[10:28] <didrocks> I got the same issue than seb128, but my battery is dead, I was thinking it was the source of the issue :)
[10:28] <seb128> let's see if that works
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> oh, Fn+F3 doesn't even flow up to X on my laptop
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - nevermind, i found the issue with the critical notification
[10:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, good, I was still trying to play with the thresholds without luck
[10:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you want a bug about the "(null) not present" one?
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yes please
[10:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, will open one
[10:51] <seb128> bah
[10:51] <seb128> gpm --verbose says the threshold keys are unknown
[10:51] <seb128> I'm wondering if it still uses that
[10:51] <seb128> or if the time for those actions are upower things now
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> i can have a look and find out
[10:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, feel free to ignore me, you are probably busy enough on firefox
[10:53] <seb128> or other things
[10:53] <seb128> we can figure those gpm issue after beta1
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> fantastic, my disk has decided to eat itself again
[10:59] <pitti> chrisccoulson: urgh?
[10:59] <pitti> how?
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i get ata errors constantly on this laptop
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> and occasionally it corrupts the disk ;)
[11:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what laptop did you take?
[11:00] <seb128> just making sure I don't take the same
[11:00] <seb128> ;-)
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - its a dell e5500 ;)
[11:01] <seb128> you seems to keep running into issues
[11:01] <seb128> or things not working
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> i get lots of this on my laptop:
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/393941/
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> and then eventually, it just does this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/393943/
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> anyway, bbiab, need to go and do another manual fsck
[11:04] <seb128> pitti, you took the gtk-perl bug over from slangasek?
[11:04] <pitti> well, it's a  desktopish package?
[11:04] <pitti> and it was originally assigned to us
[11:04] <seb128> pitti, right, he just seemed to be on it
[11:04] <seb128> pitti, I can upload the fix now if you want
[11:04] <pitti> well, if he is, then I won't object :)
[11:04] <pitti> but I guess he has his hands full with other stuff now
[11:04] <seb128> I will check with him
[11:04] <pitti> seb128: please go ahead if you have time
[11:11] <pitti> seb128: I'll have a closer look at the retracer crash later on
[11:11] <seb128> pitti, it crashed again? thanks!
[11:12] <pitti> "need one more value to unpack" -> looks like a broken bug description
[11:12] <chrisccoulson> that's better!
[11:12] <chrisccoulson> i can write to my disk again now
[11:14] <pitti> seb128: fixed that bug, restarting
[11:15] <seb128> pitti, that was quick ;-)
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> pitti - do you remember me saying that my Fn+F8 key produced the same scancode as the "p" key on my laptop?
[11:15] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, I do
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> it's not a problem with my laptop :)
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> i just booted the karmic kernel, and it works fine
[11:15] <pitti> ah
[11:16]  * chrisccoulson breathes sigh of relief
[11:16] <pitti> so, some weird quirk in the kernel?
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, must be. but i'm not sure how to investigate that
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to run the karmic kernel for a few days and see if i still get these ata errors
[11:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, does the battery key work too now?
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - no, that one still doesn't do anything
[11:17] <seb128> ok
[11:19] <pitti> dear world. Stop sending me mail for a few hours, or at least slow down that I actually have a chance to catch up. Love, Pitti
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> well, i'm not getting any ata errors yet with the karmic kernel
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> asac - i see you have a nm-applet bug assigned to you in the beta 1 targetted bugs
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> want me to have a look at that?
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> (bug 456468 FYI)
[11:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: isnt there even a patch attached?
[11:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: that bug is understood ....  we need to create a legacy link for the nm-applet-device icon
[11:56] <chrisccoulson> asac - oh, ok. i'll leave it with you for now then if you already understand it
[12:21] <davmor2> pitti: is there a symptom for graphics in ubuntu-bug?
[12:23] <pitti> davmor2: yes, just select the "display" symptom
[12:26] <davmor2> pitti: thanks :)
[12:31] <cassidy> seb128, hi. Ubuntu doesn't set the $XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR var, is that expected?
[12:32] <seb128> cassidy, hey, what ubuntu version do you use?
[12:32] <cassidy> karmic
[12:33] <seb128> cassidy, it was set to be the desktop on karmic iirc
[12:33] <cassidy> I'm a simple user, I don't use dev distro ;)
[12:34] <cassidy> is it set on your box?
[12:34] <seb128> cassidy, let me check
[12:34] <seb128> cassidy, in .config/user-dirs.dirs?
[12:34] <seb128> yes
[12:34] <cassidy> to ~/Download?
[12:34] <cassidy> XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/Bureau"
[12:34] <cassidy> ah I see
[12:35] <seb128> cassidy, yes
[12:35] <cassidy> but it's not exported
[12:35] <seb128> cassidy, those are not meant to be export afaik
[12:35] <seb128> cassidy, the glib api uses the config file
[12:35] <seb128> cassidy, not the environment
[12:35] <cassidy> I see
[12:36] <cassidy> let's try using g_get_user_special_dir then
[12:37] <seb128> cassidy, nice to see you still around btw :p
[12:38] <seb128> cassidy, you have not been responding to any of my pings for some weeks ;-)
[12:38] <cassidy> seb128, oh sorry. I moved back to Belgium so have been pretty busy :)
[12:38] <cassidy> don't hesitate to ping me harder :)
[12:39] <seb128> cassidy, np ;-) I did sort the questions I had I think
[13:03] <seb128> hum
[13:03] <seb128> how is submittodebian sending bugs?
[13:03] <Laney> using reportbug
[13:03] <seb128> how is reportbug sending bugs?
[13:03] <seb128> is that relying on having a working mta?
[13:03] <Laney> yes
[13:03] <Keybuk> seb128: did you see that I uploaded new plymouth packages to my PPA?  Could you test them - you seemed particularly bitten by bugs
[13:04] <Laney> I just use ssmtp these days
[13:04] <seb128> Keybuk, no I didn't see that, doing that now, the mini has the issue at every single boot
[13:04] <Keybuk> seb128: there's a new gdm and mountall with it - install those too
[13:04] <Keybuk> pitti: ^
[13:04] <seb128> Keybuk, is there anything I don't want in your ppa?
[13:05] <Keybuk> seb128: should be just those three packages in there
[13:05] <seb128> Keybuk, ie should I upgrade with it or just pick those?
[13:05] <seb128> ok good
[13:05] <Keybuk> upgrade should be fine
[13:06] <pitti> Keybuk: great, thanks! I'll test them on both my machines
[13:06] <selsy> my ubuntu destop windows don't appear. any window opens in full screen without the option to minimize or restore. can any one help me out?
[13:07] <seb128> selsy, try #ubuntu
[13:08] <seb128> Laney, ok, thanks
[13:08] <selsy> seb128, thanks
[13:16] <seb128> Keybuk, ok, that fixes the "show a text vt and cursor" and "xorg crashes on first enter use"
[13:16] <seb128> Keybuk, but that breaks reboot
[13:16] <seb128> Keybuk, it displays plymouth splash and then a text vt and doesn't reboot
[13:16] <seb128> "init: Disconnected from system bus"
[13:17] <seb128> is the last line on this vt
[13:17] <seb128> I can vt switch but typing chars doesn't work
[13:17] <seb128> ie I can't log in to see what happens
[13:17] <pitti> Keybuk: ^ I get exactly the same
[13:18] <Keybuk> huh
[13:18] <seb128> it's not a one time things
[13:18] <seb128> I did power off the box and booted again 2 times
[13:18] <seb128> it does it every time
[13:18] <Keybuk> reboot? or same on poweroff too?
[13:19] <seb128> I tried to reboot and stopped the box by sitting on the power button
[13:19] <seb128> let me try to use the shutdown action
[13:20] <pitti> hm, now the boot worked, but didn't switch to X; I have to press alt+f7
[13:20] <seb128> yeah, sorry the "power off" was meant to be "after having reboot hanging I did power off the box by pressing the button"
[13:20] <seb128> pitti, I got one of those too
[13:20] <pitti> "power off" from the menu produces the same hang as reboot
[13:20] <pitti> i. e. disabled keyboard, doesn't shut down
[13:20] <seb128> right, same here
[13:20]  * pitti wants a SysRq key on the mini
[13:21] <Keybuk> pitti: Alt-Fn-F10
[13:21] <Keybuk> could you ssh in, and put the sshd, bash, etc. pids into sendsigs.omit.d
[13:21] <Keybuk> then when it hands, grab a bt of plymouth?
[13:21] <Keybuk> I'll do the same here too - hopefully they'll all match
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, can you do it? I'm slightly busy with something else and there is no point to have both of us doing it
[13:22] <pitti> ok, doing
[13:22] <seb128> I mean if you already have sshd etc handy on the mini
[13:22] <seb128> (I don't)
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[13:22] <pitti> I hope it won't tear down the wifi during shutdown
[13:22] <pitti> seb128: should be easy enough to install
[13:23] <seb128> pitti, right, I'm mainly wanting to not multitask too much I still want 2 things done this afternoon and call it a day early
[13:23]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[13:26] <kenvandine> pitti, can i get a simple patch into gwibber that prevents CPU spin out of control?
[13:26] <pitti> kenvandine: yes, sure
[13:26] <kenvandine> thx
[13:26]  * kenvandine prepares 
[13:26] <kenvandine> :)
[13:28] <pitti> waah, why must NetworkManager tear down the network as soon as you log out
[13:30] <pitti> Keybuk: hm, I did ps aux|grep -v gdm | awk '{print $2}' | sudo tee /var/run/sendsigs.omit
[13:30] <pitti> Keybuk: and still get a hanging ssh after shutdown
[13:31] <Keybuk> WiFi or wired?
[13:31] <pitti> wifi
[13:31] <Keybuk> the wifi supplicant gets killed on shutdown
[13:31] <pitti> Keybuk: you think wired will be easier?
[13:31] <Keybuk> wired is always easier ;)
[13:31] <pitti> Keybuk: oh, due to an init script?
[13:31]  * pitti tries
[13:31] <pitti> that requires rearranging my desk slightly
[13:37] <pitti> Keybuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/394014/
[13:38] <pitti> Keybuk: the box is still in that state, and I'm ssh'ed in, in case you need further info?
[13:38] <Keybuk> huh
[13:39] <Keybuk> nothing else running?
[13:39] <pitti> Keybuk: the ps aux output has the kernel threads filtered out
[13:39] <pitti> but otherwise yes
[13:39] <Keybuk> status plymouth shows 1812?
[13:39] <pitti> status: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[13:39] <pitti> erm, *cough*, yes
[13:39] <Keybuk> AS ROOT! :p
[13:39] <pitti> plymouth stop/waiting
[13:39] <Keybuk> that's weird in of itself
[13:40] <pitti> . o { as root? .. }
[13:40] <Keybuk> status -> run as root
[13:40] <pitti> yes, I meant why I need root privs for connecting to d-bus, but nevermind
[13:40] <Keybuk> status run as root doesn't connect via the system bus
[13:40] <pitti> ah
[13:40] <pitti> so, plymouthd is gone
[13:40] <pitti> (I see text VTs, too)
[13:40] <Keybuk> pitti: what's rc 0 waiting for?
[13:41] <pitti> I see the graphical plymouht screen, then this goes away
[13:41] <pitti> oh, wait
[13:41] <pitti> Keybuk: migth that be related to bug 537262 ?
[13:41] <pitti> Keybuk: the unkillalbe_process thing uncovered a bug that plymouth sometimes doesn't get added to sendsig's omit list
[13:41] <Keybuk> I think it might be
[13:41] <pitti> i. e. gets killed from sendsigs
[13:41] <Keybuk> (related)
[13:42] <pitti> and perhaps plymouth --wait is just waiting eternally for a nonexisting plymouthd?
[13:42] <pitti> Keybuk | pitti: what's rc 0 waiting for?
[13:42] <Keybuk> but I don't know where that plymouth --wait comes from
[13:42] <pitti> ^ how do you mean?
[13:42] <pitti> stracing rc just hangs in wait(), i. e. waits for a child
[13:42] <Keybuk> hmm, splash_stop()
[13:43] <pitti> init─┬─dhclient
[13:43] <pitti>      ├─rc───plymouth
[13:43] <pitti>      └─sshd───sshd───sshd───bash───pstree
[13:44] <Keybuk> huh
[13:44] <Keybuk> this is completely broken
[13:45] <pitti> I can try to add a cowboy patch to sendsigs to not kill plymouthds
[13:45] <pitti> s/s$//
[13:45] <Keybuk> pitti: I don't think it's sendsigs
[13:45] <Keybuk> I think it's the rc script itself killing plymouth
[13:46]  * Keybuk wonders what idiot wrote these
[13:47] <kenvandine> pitti, so i should subscribe the release team to the bug right?
[13:47] <kenvandine> for the gwibber bug that is
[13:47] <pitti> kenvandine: not necessary
[13:47] <kenvandine> seb128, can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gwibber/ubuntu
[13:47] <pitti> kenvandine: we'll pick it up from the queue
[13:47] <kenvandine> ok
[13:47] <kenvandine> or pitti
[13:47] <pitti> kenvandine: you can't upload that?
[13:47] <kenvandine> no
[13:47] <kenvandine> :/
[13:47] <kenvandine> acl
[13:47] <pitti> kenvandine: later on, -EBUSY right now, sorry
[13:47] <kenvandine> i mailed cjwatson
[13:47] <kenvandine> ok
[13:47] <kenvandine> seb128, you got time?
[13:47] <seb128> kenvandine, ok
[13:47] <kenvandine> thx
[13:48] <seb128> np
[13:48] <Keybuk> pitti: remove /lib/init/splash-functions
[13:48] <Keybuk> then try rebooting and shutting down
[13:49] <pitti> that seems to work (twice i a row)
[13:52] <Keybuk> ok, will update PPA
[14:02] <Keybuk> pitti: on the sendsigs thing
[14:02] <Keybuk> have you seen plymouthd in that state yourself?  running but status plymouthd saying not running?
[14:07] <pitti> Keybuk: (on the phone, brb)
[14:12] <pitti> Keybuk: re
[14:12] <Keybuk> rehi
[14:12] <pitti> Keybuk: I didn't see it in that state from an interactive shell, now
[14:12] <pitti> s/now/no/
[14:12] <Keybuk> me neither yet
[14:12] <Keybuk> wonder whether it's dependent on graphics card, etc.
[14:12] <pitti> I can try adding a sleep 60 to sendsigs and ssh in, or so
[14:12] <Keybuk> though that'd be odd
[14:12] <pitti> I seem to get the bug every third boot or so
[14:13] <Keybuk> oh, you do see the apport message? on intel?
[14:13] <pitti> yes, on the mini
[14:13] <pitti> I added some set -x traces to that bug
[14:13] <pitti> for a working and a failing case
[14:13] <Keybuk> cool, should be easy to debug that one then
[14:13] <pitti> plymouthd is always running, but initctl list doesn't show a pid for it sometimes
[14:14] <pitti> Keybuk: I wasn't sure whether initctl is supposed to be always correct wrt to that, or whether we need another way to ignore upstart jobs
[14:14] <pitti> i. e. whether it's an upstart bug or a plymouth one (not registering itself, or whatnot)
[14:15] <Keybuk> it's supposed to be correct
[14:17] <pitti> Keybuk: could it be a race of plymouthd just starting up, and upstart not yet seeing the pid or so?
[14:18] <Keybuk> no, upstart forks plymouth, it should *know* the pid ;)
[14:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson, asac: should bug 531583 be made a dupe of bug 518422? it seems to be the same, and the latter is better understood and has a patch
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yes please, they're the same issue
[14:24] <asac> ack
[14:25] <pitti> thansk
[14:25] <asac> unless our dailies fix one, but not the other
[14:25] <asac> chrisccoulson: did micah land the patch for ubuntu2?
[14:26] <asac> hmm
[14:26] <asac> we should land it
[14:26] <asac> on .head
[14:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you have time to review this notify-osd nm change for mirco btw?
[14:26] <asac> seb128: is that touching existing patches or new work?
[14:27] <asac> nevermind. will sort it with chris (he seems to know what this is about)
[14:27] <seb128> asac, dunno, I just bounced the email, it's basically making nm use the replace feature in notify-osd
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> asac - it's in head already
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> (the firefox patch)
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've not had a chance to review it just yet
[14:28] <asac> chrisccoulson: thanks. we should ask on the bug to test the daily build then
[14:28] <asac> chrisccoulson: i dont see it in firefox-3.6.head
[14:28] <asac> maybe in xulrunner 1.9.2.head?
[14:29] <asac> oh its debian/patches/lp518422.patch
[14:29] <asac> hmm ... that should get a better name ;)
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> heh, yeah, i was just about to get you a link
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> asac - i can test with the dailies this afternoon anyway
[14:30] <asac> yeah.
[14:33] <asac> pitti: hmm. i think i forgot to subscribe ubuntu-archive to approved MIRs ... is that the right procedure?
[14:34] <pitti> asac: not necessary
[14:34] <pitti> kenvandine: "theming: changes to the appearance capplet might be required" -> is that still relevant/
[14:34] <pitti> ?
[14:34] <asac> pitti: hmm. so archive admins will hunt the bug down on their own in the ubuntu-mir bug list?
[14:34] <pitti> usually yes (I also do that from time to time)
[14:34] <asac> each and every day they get a mismatch? that feels odd ;)
[14:34] <pitti> I walk through the approved ones, compare with component-mismatches, and promote
[14:34] <asac> ok
[14:35] <pitti> not every day, no
[14:35] <asac> ok thanks for clarifying.
[14:38] <pitti> kenvandine, Riddell: can you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus for DX/OLS/Kubuntu?
[14:40] <kenvandine> pitti, will do
[14:40] <kenvandine> pitti, i have no idea about the appearance capplet, but i will get verification
[14:40] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks; I think the appearance capplet theming change is not required, is it?
[14:40] <pitti> kenvandine: ok, thanks
[14:40] <kenvandine> i don't think so
[14:42] <rickspencer3> pitti, hi
[14:42] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, good morning
[14:42] <rickspencer3> I saw your comment on bryce's ntrig blueprint
[14:42] <rickspencer3> unfortunately it is not a low priority project
[14:42] <rickspencer3> randomizing? yes
[14:43] <rickspencer3> a little crazy? possible
[14:43] <rickspencer3> low priority? no
[14:43] <pitti> ntrig?
[14:43] <rickspencer3> it's the multi-touch ting that bryceh is doing for sabdfl
[14:43] <pitti> ah
[14:43] <Riddell> pitti: yep, I may have to leave early from the release meeting so I may miss our slot
[14:44] <pitti> rickspencer3: right, I set that before I got aware of the "sabdfl" tag; so please correct the priority accordingly (it's still just plain crazy, though)
[14:44] <rickspencer3> pitti, I was not empowered to make a deciscion here unfortunately, although I did provide input
[14:44] <rickspencer3> pitti, yeah
[14:44] <pitti> Riddell: I'm happy to copy&paste your snippet, and carry any other briefing you might have
[14:44] <rickspencer3> but they did put together a risk mitigation plan
[14:44] <Riddell> pitti: scottK says he can do it
[14:44] <pitti> ok, great
[14:44] <rickspencer3> ("sabdfl tag" - giggle)
[14:45] <rickspencer3> "Right by definition" ;)
[14:45] <sabdfl> ya ya ya, i hear you
[14:45] <pitti> exactly
[14:45] <rickspencer3> lol
[14:45] <rickspencer3> hi sabdfl, we weren't talking about you :)
[14:45] <pitti> sabdfl: hey Mark, how are you?
[14:48] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[14:48] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[14:49] <rickspencer3> happy Friday
[14:49] <desrt> good morning everyone
[14:51] <seb128> hey desrt
[14:52] <desrt> seb128: release coming together nicely?
[14:55] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[14:55] <seb128> desrt, yes
[14:56] <seb128> desrt, I would not say no to new stable glib and gtk versions though :p
[14:56] <desrt> seb128: you got a fresh new unstable only a few days ago :p
[14:57] <seb128> desrt, exactly what I was saying ;-)
[14:57] <desrt> well
[14:57] <desrt> i don't do gtk releases :)
[15:06] <vish> seb128: hi.. is there a bug that the indicator-applet is not starting with non-default themes? and the user is not able to add it again?
[15:06] <vish> i think i found the problem..
[15:07] <seb128> vish, it's an indicator-sound crash bug
[15:07] <seb128> vish, it's fixed in bzr
[15:07] <vish> ah , ok.. its seems the icon name not being present is causing the bug
[15:08] <vish> seb128: thanks
[15:08] <LaserJock> didrocks: do you have any comments on bug #527090 . I don't know how netbook-launcher can really help, it's just using clutter/pango wrapping
[15:09] <seb128> vish, look to indicator-sound open bugs
[15:09] <seb128> slomo, hey
[15:09] <slomo> seb128: hi :)
[15:09] <seb128> slomo, your glib update fails to build btw, the testsuite breaks
[15:09] <seb128> slomo, I disabled that in Ubuntu for now
[15:10] <seb128> slomo, the experimental debian buildds have the same issue I've seen
[15:10] <slomo> *sigh*
[15:10] <slomo> pochu: ^----
[15:10] <didrocks> LaserJock: if you look, it seems related to umr launcher, the one before karmic. I guess it's fixed, cf last comment
[15:11] <seb128> pitti, btw robert_ancell did some work on lp:~robert-ancell/gdm/gdmsetup-sound-enable
[15:11] <didrocks> LaserJock: oupss, sorry, I looked at the duplicate one. Looking at the other now
[15:13] <didrocks> LaserJock: maybe that was a bug in pango (cf other bug report). I would ask if the issue is still relevant first with beta 1
[15:13] <pitti> seb128: oh, sweet!
[15:14] <seb128> pitti, the ui and communication part is done but when we talked yesterday he didn't do the actuals call from the server to set the key
[15:14] <seb128> pitti, do you think we can still try to get than in on monday or after beta1?
[15:15] <seb128> pitti, I'm about to run now and I doubt I will have time to look at it today but I can have a look this weekend
[15:15] <pitti> seb128: Monday sounds fine
[15:16] <seb128> pitti, ok great, thanks
[15:21] <slomo> seb128: ok :) unlikely that someone will fix it early enough for this ubuntu release... only thaytan knows how the DVD menus work and he seems to be busy with other things
[15:22] <seb128> slomo, ok, I will try to figure what update broke it if I can
[15:23]  * seb128 is away for some hours
[15:24] <seb128> be back a bit before dinner, I will read backlog and sponsoring etc if required before running for the weekend
[15:24] <seb128> bbl
[15:37] <LaserJock> didrocks: well, but is it really a valid bug to start with? There's not really a way to wrap a word properly that has no . or spaces, etc.
[15:38]  * mclasen suggests hyphenation
[15:38] <didrocks> LaserJock: my feeling is that the launcher should take more space for each icons. I don't know what was used for that
[15:39] <didrocks> mclasen: yeah, that will be good. Not sure what was used before
[15:40] <LaserJock> didrocks: used before what?
[15:40] <LaserJock> pango doesn't add hyphenation, it just wraps on it or a . as I understand it
[15:40] <didrocks> LaserJock: the launcher before karmic, and the one in karmic+lucid
[15:40] <LaserJock> I thought that was a seperate issue though
[15:41] <LaserJock> I thought that was *not* wrapping on - or . and that was fixed
[15:41]  * mclasen was just commenting on the claim that there is no way to wrap a word unless it contains .s or spaces
[15:41] <LaserJock> right now it does a word wrap and if that fails a char wrap
[15:41] <mclasen> but yeah, pango doesn't do it
[15:42] <didrocks> LaserJock: I'm just afraid that icon placement are fixed in the current implement (didn't have the time to look at this part of code yet)
[15:42] <LaserJock> right, there is a fixed width I guess
[15:43] <LaserJock> but wouldn't we have to calculate a proper width based on the max length of names, and refigure the grid based on that?
[15:43] <LaserJock> so dynamically resize the icon placement based on name length
[15:43] <didrocks> LaserJock: that sounds good. I'm just afraid that the change will be too intrusive now
[15:43] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out
[15:43] <LaserJock> if it's a Lucid or Lucid+x task
[15:44] <didrocks> sweet, keep me posted :)
[15:46] <LaserJock> not using one of the long-name languages I wasn't sure how out of place the wrapping in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39713029/Bildschirmfoto-1.png is
[15:46] <didrocks> LaserJock: German is good to test for that, I guess :)
[15:47] <didrocks> yesterday, I installed a right-to-left language to test the new release
[15:47] <didrocks> "who put my icon back to the right?" ;)
[16:00] <kenvandine> pitti,  on the release status page i added "ISSUES" under dx integration calling out the string change needed for consistency in social apps
[16:00] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks
[16:01] <kenvandine> which will be done real soon, and we will coordinate with translators
[16:07] <james_w> kenvandine: hey
[16:07] <kenvandine> hey james_w
[16:07] <james_w> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jpetersen/ubuntu/lucid/rhythmbox/appindicator/+merge/21077
[16:08] <james_w> do we need to break freeze for that, or is it harmless?
[16:09] <kenvandine> looks harmless, but i hadn't seen it
[16:09] <kenvandine> tedg, can you look?
[16:09] <kenvandine> tedg, says it was a work around for a bug
[16:09] <james_w> there's https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntuone-client/desktop-entry-i18n/+merge/21034 too
[16:10] <james_w> that should probably go in and be pushed upstream
[16:10] <kenvandine> that one is fine
[16:10] <kenvandine> ok, i'll make sure they get it
[16:10] <tedg> james_w: I'm not sure that it needs to break freeze... but it basically is that the code moved into indicator-application 0.0.16.
[16:10] <tedg> james_w: It shouldn't cause any harm.
[16:10] <james_w> tedg: ok
[16:11] <james_w> thanks
[16:11] <james_w> kenvandine: are you happy to track the rhythmbox one too?
[16:11] <kenvandine> james_w, yes
[16:11] <james_w> thanks
[16:11] <kenvandine> np
[16:14] <james_w> chrisccoulson: still planning on acting on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/530751 ?
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> james_w - did the reporter mail ubuntu-translators? (i've not checked yet)
[16:15] <james_w> he didn't say he has
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> i was still planning on acting on it, but i've not had a lot of time
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> i suppose i could have done it with the gpm upload i did earlier ;)
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> ah well
[16:16] <james_w> and nothing in the archives that I can see
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> me neither
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> i'm a bit reluctant to keep uploading these types of changes
[16:19] <james_w> yeah
[16:31] <NCommander> ccheney: did you already commit the ARM fix yesterday or did I misunderstand you? (I don't see it in ooo-build)
[16:32] <didrocks> going out for some shopping (1 hour, I hope), bbl
[16:32] <LaserJock> didrocks: ping me when you get back
[16:47] <ccheney> NCommander: yea its committed to the 3-2 branch
[17:00] <ccheney> grr another new class with struct changes :-(
[17:04] <pitti> asac, chrisccoulson: wrt. bug 512615, how realistic would it be to use the system cairo? (in terms of newer versions which will hit lucid-updates in the future)
[17:04] <pitti> asac, chrisccoulson: I just got told that on some systems ffox looks really horrible and rainbow-striped due to that (not here, though)
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it looks pretty bad here as well
[17:06] <kenvandine> pitti, when you get a chance, can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gwibber/ubuntu ?
[17:06] <pitti> it's just a strawman, though; I'm interested in whether that would work at all, how much work it would be, and whether it would break something else
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not 100% sure what the implications of that are at the moment with regards to maintenance and support, so I'll let asac answer that one ;)
[17:06] <kenvandine> pitti, that includes the string changes to match indicator-*
[17:06] <pitti> kenvandine: ok
[17:07] <kenvandine> and another string change which we will bring up with the translators at the same time
[17:07]  * kenvandine goes to do that now
[17:07] <pitti> kenvandine: (in release meeting right now, but I'll get to it)
[17:07] <kenvandine> pitti, thx
[17:07] <kenvandine> np
[17:07] <kenvandine> pitti, and related, indicator-messages uploaded and needs approval :)
[17:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson: asac is just answering in #release
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - #release?
[17:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: #ubuntu-meeting, sorry
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - heh, no worries ;)
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> i thought i was going crazy there
[17:13] <pitti> kenvandine: gwibber uploaded
[17:15] <kenvandine> thx
[17:20] <didrocks> LaserJock: I'm back
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can't follow your conversation in #ubuntu-meeting. xchat keeps crashing every time i go there ;)
[17:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so, summary is that we'll try to get our cairo patch applied to the firefox package (its bundled cairo), and asac pokes upstream to get blessing for that
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[17:23] <asac> yes
[17:23] <pitti> asac: ^ can you please CC: chrisccoulson to keep him in the loop, so that he can eventually take over?
[17:23] <asac> i will keep you in the loop
[17:23] <asac> ack
[17:23]  * pitti hugs asac
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[17:23]  * pitti hugs chrisccoulson as well
[17:23]  * chrisccoulson hugs pitti
[17:23]  * asac hugs all ;)
[17:24]  * chrisccoulson hugs asac ;)
[17:24] <asac> nice hug round ;)
[17:24]  * chrisccoulson thinks that 4 parallel builds of thunderbird wasn't such a good idea
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> i think my laptop will start smoking soon ;)
[17:27] <davmor2> bryceh: are you getting reports from nvidia users about having to log in twice?
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> do you mean the bug where Xorg crashes when you hit enter the first time?
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> sounds very familiar ;)
[17:29] <Nafai> Yes, I see that
[17:40] <vish> chrisccoulson: hi.. will seb128 be coming back? or has he left for the weekend?
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> he said he would pop back later
[17:40] <vish> ah.. ty :)
[17:47] <kenvandine> pitti, can you approve gwibber and indicator-messages when you have a moment?
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> pitti - is there any plan to standardise the units used at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com so that they match https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy ?
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> somebody just reported a bug because their downloaded file size doesn't match what the website says ;)
[17:51] <kklimonda> pitti: can we update transmission to 1.92 before beta1 release (bug 538034)? it fixes one really irritating bug 505861 (and a few smaller ones)
[17:53] <kklimonda> it actually fixes one bug that is not reported on LP and which bit me in my.. seat today
[18:01] <NCommander> ccheney: oh, its not on master?
[18:03] <ccheney> NCommander: master is for OOo 3.3
[18:03] <ccheney> NCommander: hadn't checked it in on master yet since i haven't verified if master even builds on ubuntu
[18:03] <NCommander> ccheney: ah, far enough, I'm still fairly new to all this ooo stuff :-)
[18:06] <NCommander> ccheney: I just started a build of branch 3.2 (confirming that the patch is there) on my ARM box
[18:07] <ccheney> NCommander: ok
[18:07] <ccheney> NCommander: i haven't tested the most up to date ooo-build-3-2 if it fails you can always just grab that single patch out of it and use what is in ubuntu currently, that should most likely work
[18:07] <NCommander> ccheney: cool
[18:07] <NCommander> ccheney: thanks
[18:08] <NCommander> ccheney: just as a friendly reminder, remember to make the code to import the jaunty UNO disappear :-)
[18:09] <ccheney> and if i can stop copying even more bits of gtk into epiphany backport then i can work on OOo again myself :-\
[18:09] <ccheney> NCommander: ah ok
[18:09] <ccheney> NCommander: can you file a bug and target it to beta 2 assigned to me?
[18:09] <ccheney> NCommander: that way i won't forget :)
[18:10] <NCommander> ccheney: done. As a second point, what is your feelings on doing an SRU of OOo after this is fixed on lucid?
[18:12] <ccheney> NCommander: SRU to karmic?
[18:14] <ccheney> NCommander: i can do the SRU's for whichever releases that mobile wants assuming you can get them approved :)
[18:14] <ccheney> NCommander: also as i don't have arm hardware just make sure the patch still works for the older releases
[18:15] <NCommander> ccheney: not a problem
[18:16] <ccheney> i have another thing to add to karmic with its next upload as well, but wasn't serious enough to do a sru just for it
[18:17] <ccheney> i'm going to add a message to error output telling if the user was told to kill OOo during upgrade when they file a bug so i can set it up to autoclose new bugs relating to that :)
[18:17] <ccheney> i'm getting hundreds of probably invalid bugs filed because users file bugs after it tells them to kill OOo to do the upgrade, heh
[18:22]  * kenvandine runs out for a late lunch/errands
[18:22] <kenvandine> bbiab
[18:24] <pitti> kenvandine: done
[18:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't know a plan, but please feel free to file a bug against cdimage
[18:25] <pitti> kklimonda: please get it uploaded (it's just bug fixes)
[18:25] <pitti> kklimonda: it will be accepted or deferred until after beta-1 (but I guess it will go throug if it lands today)
[18:29]  * pitti calls it a week
[18:32] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: can you take a look at bug 538034? :)
[18:33] <Keybuk> pitti: ooh, I've just worked out the plymouth thing
[18:33] <didrocks> pitti: enjoy your week-end!
[18:33] <Keybuk> (sendsigs)
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, i will do in a bit
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> hmm, was bug 533559 discussed with anybody?
[18:36]  * kenvandine changed his mind... gonna go later :)
[18:36] <kenvandine> pitti, thx
[18:42] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, hi
[18:42] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[18:42] <rickspencer3> if you apt-get remove evo, should the mail and new mail entries stay in the messaging indicator?
[18:43] <kenvandine> humm
[18:43] <kenvandine> no
[18:43] <kenvandine> but the service probably needs a restart
[19:05] <pochu> seb128: looking at the glib failure
[19:05] <pochu> it seems to fail randomly
[19:05] <seb128> pochu, it fails every time there
[19:07] <pochu> seb128: yeah, it fails at the same point, but it doesn't always fail
[19:07] <pochu> i.e. I've just run that test like 4 times and it's passed 2 and failed another 2
[19:16] <Roblob> Hello
[19:16] <Roblob> where can I find a release manager to express my concerns
[19:16] <kenvandine> Roblob, #ubuntu-devel
[19:24] <hyperair> Roblob: i'm no release manager, but out of curiosity, what concerns are these?
[19:24]  * vish votes for hyperair as release manager ;)
[19:25] <hyperair> vish: lol.
[19:30] <Roblob> menus on the left
[19:30] <Roblob> by default in an LTS release
[19:30] <Roblob> and to spring it 1 hour before the interface freeze
[19:30] <Roblob> just dirty
[19:30] <Roblob> and even the icons look like the mac icons (speakers, wifi) etc
[19:30] <vish> Roblob: you mean the metacity buttons?
[19:31] <Roblob> I hope Apple sue canonical to death
[19:31] <Roblob> I will not be going to 10.04 or higher untill the buttons move back to the right
[19:33] <vish> Roblob: this channel is not the best place to discuss this  , see > https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00998.html ,
[19:34] <vish> robbiew: it was a design decision , if you are concerned , you can reply to the ayatana mailing list [ https://launchpad.net/~ayatana ] [and do be civil ;)]
[19:34] <vish> oops , Roblob ^
[19:35] <vish> sry , robbie_w
[19:35] <Roblob> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422
[19:35] <Roblob> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/
[19:35] <Roblob> no one likes the left menus
[19:36] <vish> Roblob: yes , if you are concerned ,about the choice , you need to respond to the ayatana mailing list.. noone here can help you with that
[20:37]  * kenvandine heads out for the day... have a good weekend all!
[20:46] <baptistemm_> asac, I attached a diff as you requested to bug 534702
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> hey baptistemm_
[20:47] <baptistemm_> heya chrisccoulson
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> we're frozen now ;)
[20:47] <baptistemm_> :/
[21:34] <ccheney> bratsche: ping
[21:44] <ccheney> bratsche: i am having trouble linking to gtk with epiphany see: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/394262/ rickspencer3 mentioned you might know how to determine what i am doing wrong
[21:46]  * bratsche clicks
[21:48] <bratsche> ccheney: Can you paste the actual linker command?
[21:49] <ccheney> bratsche: yea just a minute
[21:49] <ccheney> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/394274/
[21:52] <bratsche> I think those functions are not exported to the .so
[21:52] <ccheney> so is it a bug that they are in headers in /usr/include ? :)
[21:53] <ccheney> at least i would think that if they aren't linkable they wouldn't be in include
[21:55] <bratsche> Why is this in Epiphany?  Is it just a copy of the module from gtk?
[21:56] <ccheney> bratsche: yea we are backporting the new epiphany to hardy which requires copying bits of various libs into epiphany
[21:58] <bratsche> ccheney: Do you have a branch somewhere I can pull just to look at it?  I'm not really sure why it would need to pull that in.
[21:59] <ccheney> bratsche: not at the moment, it needs those because i had to pull in all of gtkimmulticontext.c
[21:59] <ccheney> bratsche: which iirc was in turn needed by gtkentry
[22:00] <ccheney> bratsche: which was needed by several parts of epiphany
[22:00] <bratsche> Is it not provided by the gtk+ that comes in Hardy?
[22:01] <ccheney> bratsche: only an older version without the needed functions, and the newer version that has the functions had a new private struct which was not compatible, etc
[22:02] <ccheney> those three functions shouldn't be too hard to deal with i hope, will see how it goes
[22:03] <bratsche> Is there a copy of GtkEntry in this as well or something?
[22:04] <ccheney> yea
[22:04] <ccheney> had to copy in gtkentry first then the other ones to build it
[22:04] <ccheney> backporting gtk apps is a pita :-\
[22:05] <bratsche> Why did you need a new GtkEntry in this?
[22:06] <bratsche> Is Epiphany actually setting the IM module to the entry itself?
[22:07] <ccheney> it was using a lot of new gtkentry symbols from what i recall epiphany switched to using gtkentry new functions instead of old ones it used to have itself
[22:08] <bratsche> Oh nice, they're using my new icon API now.  That would do it. :)
[22:08] <bratsche> That makes me happy. :)
[22:08] <ccheney> hehe
[22:08] <ccheney> yes it is good going forward but makes backporting hell :)
[22:09] <bratsche> I don't see it using the im-module stuff though, so you could try removing that from the GtkEntry you're backporting over..
[22:10] <bratsche> Its git revision is 5d4bb27b if that helps, so if you have a git tree then do "git show 5d4bb27b" to get a patch and try to reverse it.
[22:10] <ccheney> ah ok let me see if i can remove that part
[22:10] <bratsche> That makes more sense to me than trying to backport this immulticontext stuff.
[22:12] <ccheney> where do i check the git branch out from?
[22:13] <ccheney> it looks like the reason its being pulled in is due to gtkimmulticontext pulling it in, not from gtkentry itself
[22:13] <bratsche> git clone git://git.gnome.org/gtk+
[22:13]  * mclasen cannot imagine that epiphany needs that new immodule functionality...
[22:15] <ccheney> checking it out now, will take some time, heh looks like git is about 200MiB
[22:15] <bratsche> If you're going to be pulling stuff from Gnome git very often, you should setup a shortcut in your .gitconfig
[22:15] <bratsche> So you can just do "git clone gnome:gtk+" or whatever.
[22:16] <bratsche> [url "ssh://bratsche@git.gnome.org/git/"]
[22:16] <bratsche>         insteadof = gnome:
[22:16] <bratsche> (or whatever your username is, or using anonymous git)
[22:17] <ccheney> ok
[22:24] <ccheney> bratsche: i might be missing something but that patch doesn't seem to be enough to revert the need for gtkimmodule?
[22:24] <ccheney> bratsche: it seems to just change some of the calls but still uses them
[22:39]  * ccheney thinks he almost has it building just adding those last three symbols in
[22:40] <ccheney> grr more private functions
[22:51] <ccheney> in automake how do i make something like to another library in another directory of the same build?
[22:52] <ccheney> i need lib/widgets/Makefile.am library to link to the lib/Makefile.am library
[22:56] <ccheney> ah foo_LDADD = bar.la
[22:58] <ccheney> er LIBADD for libraries
[23:00] <ccheney> hmm that didn't work maybe because its a noinst library, hmm
[23:04] <walters> ccheney: i suggest non-recursive automake
[23:06] <ccheney> walters: i'm modifying epiphany so don't really want to rewrite the build system :)
[23:06] <ccheney> walters: any idea what i would need to do to have it link between dirs properly?
[23:07] <ccheney> in this case it seems it needs to do be static since the library isn't installed
[23:07] <istaz> bratsche: oh great I didn't know that
[23:08] <bratsche> Hmm?
[23:08] <bratsche> What's that?
[23:08] <ccheney> bratsche: or do you know? :)
[23:09] <istaz> bratsche: the git shortcut tip
[23:09] <bratsche> ccheney: Did you get the gtkimmodule thing sorted out?
[23:10] <ccheney> bratsche: yea i just ended up adding the bits it needed which fixed that part then i got to a point where its claiming bits aren't there for linking from the lib dir, in lib/widgets
[23:10] <ccheney> bratsche: so i think i need to somehow link in the lib dir library to lib/widgets
[23:11] <bratsche> I'm not that good with automake fu, I unfortunately usually just hack around until it works. :/
[23:12] <ccheney> ok, i'll see if i can find a way to make it work
[23:25] <ccheney> i get this weird bit: make[5]: *** No rule to make target `../../lib/libephymisc.la', needed by `libephywidgets.la'.  Stop.
[23:25] <ccheney> due to adding:
[23:25] <ccheney> libephywidgets_la_LIBADD = \ $(top_builddir)/lib/libephymisc.la \ $(DEPENDENCIES_LIBS)
[23:25] <ccheney> which is essentially the same thing done in src/Makefile.am but apparently it works there
[23:35] <Keybuk> isn't built yet then ;-)
[23:35] <Keybuk> order of SUBDIRS
[23:39] <ccheney> Keybuk: oh
[23:40] <ccheney> Keybuk: should i put . in before?
[23:40] <ccheney> Keybuk: its shows as SUBDIRS = widgets egg (but no ref to the current one)
[23:40] <Keybuk> I don't think you can do that
[23:41] <Keybuk> oh, yes you can
[23:41] <Keybuk> yes, do that
[23:41] <Keybuk>    By default, Automake generates `Makefiles' that work depth-first in
[23:41] <Keybuk> postfix order: the subdirectories are built before the current
[23:41] <Keybuk> directory.  However, it is possible to change this ordering.  You can
[23:41] <Keybuk> do this by putting `.' into `SUBDIRS'.  For instance, putting `.' first
[23:41] <Keybuk> will cause a prefix ordering of directories.
[23:41] <ccheney> ok
[23:43] <ccheney> yea that seemed to help a lot
[23:43] <ccheney> it fixed the other errors just one left
[23:51] <ccheney> Keybuk: thanks that was enough to make it finish building :)
[23:51] <ccheney> now just have to see why it fails in dh_install :-\
[23:52] <ccheney> hmm must have disabled a patch renaming the epiphany dir to epiphany-browser
[23:52]  * ccheney will fix that after dinner, bbl