[00:49] ugh it pulls in more classes i have to subclass override due to struct changes :-\ [04:13] mclasen, hey, thanks for the simple-scan review [04:13] np [04:14] this was with 0.9.5, btw [05:27] finally down to 4 symbols, grr [05:32] TheMuso, can you build and release xdg-utils from bzr? [05:32] robert_ancell: sure in a bit. [05:33] TheMuso, thanks [05:33] really must get main permissions... [05:36] found another evil symbol :-\ [05:36] robert_ancell: what branch do I use for xdg-utils? Ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu? [05:37] robert_ancell: nvm I have an existing branch for it here. [05:38] lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xdg-utils/ubuntu [05:39] robert_ancell: yeah no problem as I said above. [05:56] robert_ancell: I'd support you if you were to apply for core-dev. [05:56] TheMuso, just so I stop bugging you :) [05:56] heh no really, I would. [05:56] Anyway uploaded. [06:00] see you all next week [06:01] :) [06:01] RAOF, let try to meet up sometime next week! [06:02] Yes! [06:09] * ccheney off to bed, bbl [06:10] Who wants to bet that xulrunner doesn't have a stable javascript JIT engine on armel? [06:11] s/ on armel// [07:14] good morning [07:15] Good morning didrocks [07:15] chrisccoulson: I guess it's only visible when you disable acceleration in your graphic card [07:15] hey RAOF, how are you? [07:16] Good. It's pretty much the weekend now :) [07:16] heh ;) [07:16] So I get to switch from f-spot to banshee ;) [07:17] what do you add to banshee? [07:19] Bonjour mesdames et monsieurs [07:19] My gapless branch has just landed, and it seems that fiddling with the core of Banshee has introduced a couple of bugs :) [07:20] Guten Morgen pitti, how was the magic show? [07:25] didrocks: bonjour! it was brilliant, really [07:25] sweet :) glade you enjoyed it! [07:25] leaves a lot of question marks in your face :) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:31] heh, I can imagine :-) [07:42] chrisccoulson: I've commented on the LP issue I get, they open a firefox task, can you have a look and talk to upstream (as it's also on upstream tarball), please? [08:13] I have to leave for ~ 1 hour, doctor appointment [08:14] see you pitti [08:26] hello there [08:37] seb128: Good morning.\ [08:38] hey seb128 [08:39] hey RAOF didrocks [08:40] RAOF, how was your week? how is nouveau doing? [08:40] Nouveau's going nicely. [08:40] nice ;-) [08:40] My call for testing has resulted in a flood of... no new bugs. [08:40] didrocks, how are you? [08:41] seb128: very well, thanks, sun has gone away for the week-end apparently, but apart from that good ;) You? [08:41] didrocks, same here [08:41] it's grey today [08:41] not complaining since it's a work day ;-) [08:42] seb128: yeah, but apparently we will enjoy "work day weather" during the week-end :) [08:42] I quite like it when its grey here. It means its (probably) not going to be annoyingly hot :) [08:42] RAOF, here is means it's annoyingly freezing :p [08:43] and yeah, it's not only lucid which is freezing [08:43] ;-) [08:43] seb128: I saw that you can even have some snow today near your area [08:43] didrocks, indeed! [08:43] You crazy people in the wrong season. Everyone knows that March is autumn. [08:43] RAOF: heh :-) [08:44] don't worry it freezes at night in autumn too there sometime ;-) [08:44] Speaking of crazy people... seb128, up for a little light f-spot sponsoring on bug #484887? [08:44] Launchpad bug 484887 in f-spot "Viewer should load target directory when loading single image" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484887 [08:45] I'm looking forward to Hobart winters. They're properly cold. Frost and all! [08:46] Properly cold, without being OMG I'M SNOWED IN cold :) [08:48] RAOF, sponsoring, sure! [08:49] Feel free to have a play around and mention any other obvious behaviours it should have that I just haven't thought of :) [08:58] RAOF, will do [09:24] good morning everyone [09:24] hey chrisccoulson [09:24] how are you? [09:24] hey seb128, yeah, good thanks [09:24] how are you? [09:25] good thanks [09:25] hey chrisccoulson ;) [09:25] hey didrocks [09:26] how are you today? [09:27] chrisccoulson: I'm fine, despite my FF + LP issue that drives me crazy :) [09:27] you? [09:27] re [09:28] didrocks - yeah, i'm good thanks. despite your FF + LP issue that drives me crazy too ;) [09:28] heh [09:28] chrisccoulson: heh ;-) [09:28] chrisccoulson: as it's in the tarball, I think showing this to upstream is maybe the good choice. I've added new hints today [09:29] it's obviously a layout functionnality that LP is using that get on FF's nerves :) [09:29] seb128, chrisccoulson: good morning, how are you? [09:29] hey pitti. good thanks how are you? [09:30] I'm great, thanks; lots of stuff to do today.. [09:30] OMGbeta [09:30] pitti, hey pitti, I'm very good thanks [09:30] pitti, how are you? how was the show yesterday? [09:30] yeah, i've got quite a lot of stuff to do as well [09:30] didrocks - did you say you were using the NV driver? [09:30] chrisccoulson, you get the firefox lp issue now? [09:30] seb128: the show was awesome -- totally flabbergasting [09:30] seb128 - no, i don't get it at all [09:31] We left it with lots of "Huh?" question marks in our faces :) [09:31] ;-) [09:31] first the guys came to the tables and showed little tricks there [09:31] chrisccoulson: I tried with nv and nouveau. I think that not having accelerated driver is what make the issue noticeable [09:31] and then they had a stage show [09:33] pitti, sounds fun ;-) [09:33] and today pitti is scratching his head to try to understand what happened :-) [09:34] I think I understood just one trick [09:40] chrisccoulson, pitti: does any of you plan any gpm upload? [09:40] not today [09:40] ok, I will sponsor bug #529911 then [09:40] Launchpad bug 529911 in gnome-power-manager "battery icon is not shown" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529911 [09:41] seb128 - i was going to modify the apport hook in the same way as gnome-screensaver [09:41] or let one of you do that [09:41] chrisccoulson, ok, can you please get that one liner in too? [09:41] chrisccoulson, thanks [09:41] yeah, that's no problem [09:41] we're not frozen yet are we? [09:41] chrisccoulson: we just got frozen [09:42] but that sounds like an appropriate fix [09:42] chrisccoulson: assigning that one to you then [09:42] pitti - what about the changes to the apport hook? [09:42] chrisccoulson: sounds fine [09:42] cool, will work on that then [09:42] basically, anything which potentially destabilizes Ubuntu -> no no no [09:43] anything which fixes bugs with low regression potential, or helps us debugging beta-1 -> bring it on [10:06] pitti - i just noticed a merge request in gpm (bug 522972) [10:06] Launchpad bug 522972 in gnome-power-manager "Apport hook should attach hardware info" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522972 [10:06] do you think thats useful for me to merge too? [10:07] chrisccoulson: apport hook improvements are generally fine, I think [10:07] cool, i'll add that too then [10:07] thanks [10:14] has anybody else recreated bug 533652 out of interest? [10:14] Launchpad bug 533652 in gnome-power-manager "critically low battery dialog "cancel" button is meaningless" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/533652 [10:14] i generally don't let my battery become critically low [10:15] chrisccoulson, no, but isn't that just notify with action fallback for you? [10:15] chrisccoulson, I can let my mini empty and tell you after lunch [10:15] seb128 - yeah, but i reverted the upstream change which caused this [10:16] so i'm a bit confused :-/ [10:16] chrisccoulson, ok, mini is emptying, I will tell you [10:16] thanks [10:25] the last few builds i've done on my laptop have been painfully slow [10:26] chrisccoulson, is that because you were building openjdk or firefox there? [10:26] ;-) [10:26] heh ;) [10:26] not this time [10:26] hum, gpm notify bubbles are buggy [10:26] the last few builds i've done seem to be taking a very long time unpacking the build-depends [10:26] ah, so i need to fix that too [10:27] the battery info key gives a "(null) not present" [10:27] line after the bubble title [10:27] battery info key? i'm not sure i have one of them [10:27] it has a small battery display [10:27] oh, i've got one, but it does nothing ;) [10:27] it's fn-f3 there [10:28] yeah, same here. but mine doesn't do anything [10:28] I'm still trying to get the low battery test [10:28] I played with the gconf threshold [10:28] I got the same issue than seb128, but my battery is dead, I was thinking it was the source of the issue :) [10:28] let's see if that works [10:28] oh, Fn+F3 doesn't even flow up to X on my laptop [10:45] seb128 - nevermind, i found the issue with the critical notification [10:47] chrisccoulson, ok, good, I was still trying to play with the thresholds without luck [10:47] chrisccoulson, do you want a bug about the "(null) not present" one? [10:47] seb128 - yes please [10:48] chrisccoulson, ok, will open one [10:51] bah [10:51] gpm --verbose says the threshold keys are unknown [10:51] I'm wondering if it still uses that [10:51] or if the time for those actions are upower things now [10:51] i can have a look and find out [10:53] chrisccoulson, feel free to ignore me, you are probably busy enough on firefox [10:53] or other things [10:53] we can figure those gpm issue after beta1 [10:59] fantastic, my disk has decided to eat itself again [10:59] chrisccoulson: urgh? [10:59] how? [11:00] pitti - i get ata errors constantly on this laptop [11:00] and occasionally it corrupts the disk ;) [11:00] chrisccoulson, what laptop did you take? [11:00] just making sure I don't take the same [11:00] ;-) [11:00] seb128 - its a dell e5500 ;) [11:01] you seems to keep running into issues [11:01] or things not working [11:02] i get lots of this on my laptop: [11:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/393941/ [11:03] and then eventually, it just does this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/393943/ [11:03] ;) [11:03] anyway, bbiab, need to go and do another manual fsck [11:04] pitti, you took the gtk-perl bug over from slangasek? [11:04] well, it's a desktopish package? [11:04] and it was originally assigned to us [11:04] pitti, right, he just seemed to be on it [11:04] pitti, I can upload the fix now if you want [11:04] well, if he is, then I won't object :) [11:04] but I guess he has his hands full with other stuff now [11:04] I will check with him [11:04] seb128: please go ahead if you have time [11:11] seb128: I'll have a closer look at the retracer crash later on [11:11] pitti, it crashed again? thanks! [11:12] "need one more value to unpack" -> looks like a broken bug description [11:12] that's better! [11:12] i can write to my disk again now [11:14] seb128: fixed that bug, restarting [11:15] pitti, that was quick ;-) [11:15] pitti - do you remember me saying that my Fn+F8 key produced the same scancode as the "p" key on my laptop? [11:15] chrisccoulson: yes, I do [11:15] it's not a problem with my laptop :) [11:15] i just booted the karmic kernel, and it works fine [11:15] ah [11:16] * chrisccoulson breathes sigh of relief [11:16] so, some weird quirk in the kernel? [11:16] pitti - yeah, must be. but i'm not sure how to investigate that [11:17] i'm going to run the karmic kernel for a few days and see if i still get these ata errors [11:17] chrisccoulson, does the battery key work too now? [11:17] seb128 - no, that one still doesn't do anything [11:17] ok [11:19] dear world. Stop sending me mail for a few hours, or at least slow down that I actually have a chance to catch up. Love, Pitti [11:29] well, i'm not getting any ata errors yet with the karmic kernel [11:51] asac - i see you have a nm-applet bug assigned to you in the beta 1 targetted bugs [11:51] want me to have a look at that? [11:52] (bug 456468 FYI) [11:52] Launchpad bug 456468 in network-manager-applet "upgrade triggers nm-applet "resource not found" ... missing icon "nm-applet-device"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456468 [11:55] chrisccoulson: isnt there even a patch attached? [11:55] chrisccoulson: that bug is understood .... we need to create a legacy link for the nm-applet-device icon [11:56] asac - oh, ok. i'll leave it with you for now then if you already understand it === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:21] pitti: is there a symptom for graphics in ubuntu-bug? [12:23] davmor2: yes, just select the "display" symptom [12:26] pitti: thanks :) [12:31] seb128, hi. Ubuntu doesn't set the $XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR var, is that expected? [12:32] cassidy, hey, what ubuntu version do you use? [12:32] karmic [12:33] cassidy, it was set to be the desktop on karmic iirc [12:33] I'm a simple user, I don't use dev distro ;) [12:34] is it set on your box? [12:34] cassidy, let me check [12:34] cassidy, in .config/user-dirs.dirs? [12:34] yes [12:34] to ~/Download? [12:34] XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/Bureau" [12:34] ah I see [12:35] cassidy, yes [12:35] but it's not exported [12:35] cassidy, those are not meant to be export afaik [12:35] cassidy, the glib api uses the config file [12:35] cassidy, not the environment [12:35] I see [12:36] let's try using g_get_user_special_dir then [12:37] cassidy, nice to see you still around btw :p [12:38] cassidy, you have not been responding to any of my pings for some weeks ;-) [12:38] seb128, oh sorry. I moved back to Belgium so have been pretty busy :) [12:38] don't hesitate to ping me harder :) [12:39] cassidy, np ;-) I did sort the questions I had I think [13:03] hum [13:03] how is submittodebian sending bugs? [13:03] using reportbug [13:03] how is reportbug sending bugs? [13:03] is that relying on having a working mta? [13:03] yes [13:03] seb128: did you see that I uploaded new plymouth packages to my PPA? Could you test them - you seemed particularly bitten by bugs [13:04] I just use ssmtp these days [13:04] Keybuk, no I didn't see that, doing that now, the mini has the issue at every single boot [13:04] seb128: there's a new gdm and mountall with it - install those too [13:04] pitti: ^ [13:04] Keybuk, is there anything I don't want in your ppa? [13:05] seb128: should be just those three packages in there [13:05] Keybuk, ie should I upgrade with it or just pick those? [13:05] ok good [13:05] upgrade should be fine [13:06] Keybuk: great, thanks! I'll test them on both my machines [13:06] my ubuntu destop windows don't appear. any window opens in full screen without the option to minimize or restore. can any one help me out? [13:07] selsy, try #ubuntu [13:08] Laney, ok, thanks [13:08] seb128, thanks [13:16] Keybuk, ok, that fixes the "show a text vt and cursor" and "xorg crashes on first enter use" [13:16] Keybuk, but that breaks reboot [13:16] Keybuk, it displays plymouth splash and then a text vt and doesn't reboot [13:16] "init: Disconnected from system bus" [13:17] is the last line on this vt [13:17] I can vt switch but typing chars doesn't work [13:17] ie I can't log in to see what happens [13:17] Keybuk: ^ I get exactly the same [13:18] huh [13:18] it's not a one time things [13:18] I did power off the box and booted again 2 times [13:18] it does it every time [13:18] reboot? or same on poweroff too? [13:19] I tried to reboot and stopped the box by sitting on the power button [13:19] let me try to use the shutdown action [13:20] hm, now the boot worked, but didn't switch to X; I have to press alt+f7 [13:20] yeah, sorry the "power off" was meant to be "after having reboot hanging I did power off the box by pressing the button" [13:20] pitti, I got one of those too [13:20] "power off" from the menu produces the same hang as reboot [13:20] i. e. disabled keyboard, doesn't shut down [13:20] right, same here [13:20] * pitti wants a SysRq key on the mini [13:21] pitti: Alt-Fn-F10 [13:21] could you ssh in, and put the sshd, bash, etc. pids into sendsigs.omit.d [13:21] then when it hands, grab a bt of plymouth? [13:21] I'll do the same here too - hopefully they'll all match [13:22] pitti, can you do it? I'm slightly busy with something else and there is no point to have both of us doing it [13:22] ok, doing [13:22] I mean if you already have sshd etc handy on the mini [13:22] (I don't) [13:22] pitti, thanks [13:22] I hope it won't tear down the wifi during shutdown [13:22] seb128: should be easy enough to install [13:23] pitti, right, I'm mainly wanting to not multitask too much I still want 2 things done this afternoon and call it a day early === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:23] * seb128 hugs pitti [13:26] pitti, can i get a simple patch into gwibber that prevents CPU spin out of control? [13:26] kenvandine: yes, sure [13:26] thx [13:26] * kenvandine prepares [13:26] :) [13:28] waah, why must NetworkManager tear down the network as soon as you log out [13:30] Keybuk: hm, I did ps aux|grep -v gdm | awk '{print $2}' | sudo tee /var/run/sendsigs.omit [13:30] Keybuk: and still get a hanging ssh after shutdown [13:31] WiFi or wired? [13:31] wifi [13:31] the wifi supplicant gets killed on shutdown [13:31] Keybuk: you think wired will be easier? [13:31] wired is always easier ;) [13:31] Keybuk: oh, due to an init script? [13:31] * pitti tries [13:31] that requires rearranging my desk slightly [13:37] Keybuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/394014/ [13:38] Keybuk: the box is still in that state, and I'm ssh'ed in, in case you need further info? [13:38] huh [13:39] nothing else running? [13:39] Keybuk: the ps aux output has the kernel threads filtered out [13:39] but otherwise yes [13:39] status plymouth shows 1812? [13:39] status: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory [13:39] erm, *cough*, yes [13:39] AS ROOT! :p [13:39] plymouth stop/waiting [13:39] that's weird in of itself [13:40] . o { as root? .. } [13:40] status -> run as root [13:40] yes, I meant why I need root privs for connecting to d-bus, but nevermind [13:40] status run as root doesn't connect via the system bus [13:40] ah [13:40] so, plymouthd is gone [13:40] (I see text VTs, too) [13:40] pitti: what's rc 0 waiting for? [13:41] I see the graphical plymouht screen, then this goes away [13:41] oh, wait [13:41] Keybuk: migth that be related to bug 537262 ? [13:41] Launchpad bug 537262 in apport "sendsigs sometimes kills upstart jobs instead of adding them to OMITPIDS" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537262 [13:41] Keybuk: the unkillalbe_process thing uncovered a bug that plymouth sometimes doesn't get added to sendsig's omit list [13:41] I think it might be [13:41] i. e. gets killed from sendsigs [13:41] (related) [13:42] and perhaps plymouth --wait is just waiting eternally for a nonexisting plymouthd? [13:42] Keybuk | pitti: what's rc 0 waiting for? [13:42] but I don't know where that plymouth --wait comes from [13:42] ^ how do you mean? [13:42] stracing rc just hangs in wait(), i. e. waits for a child [13:42] hmm, splash_stop() [13:43] init─┬─dhclient [13:43] ├─rc───plymouth [13:43] └─sshd───sshd───sshd───bash───pstree [13:44] huh [13:44] this is completely broken [13:45] I can try to add a cowboy patch to sendsigs to not kill plymouthds [13:45] s/s$// [13:45] pitti: I don't think it's sendsigs [13:45] I think it's the rc script itself killing plymouth [13:46] * Keybuk wonders what idiot wrote these [13:47] pitti, so i should subscribe the release team to the bug right? [13:47] for the gwibber bug that is [13:47] kenvandine: not necessary [13:47] seb128, can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gwibber/ubuntu [13:47] kenvandine: we'll pick it up from the queue [13:47] ok [13:47] or pitti [13:47] kenvandine: you can't upload that? [13:47] no [13:47] :/ [13:47] acl [13:47] kenvandine: later on, -EBUSY right now, sorry [13:47] i mailed cjwatson [13:47] ok [13:47] seb128, you got time? [13:47] kenvandine, ok [13:47] thx [13:48] np [13:48] pitti: remove /lib/init/splash-functions [13:48] then try rebooting and shutting down [13:49] that seems to work (twice i a row) [13:52] ok, will update PPA [14:02] pitti: on the sendsigs thing [14:02] have you seen plymouthd in that state yourself? running but status plymouthd saying not running? [14:07] Keybuk: (on the phone, brb) [14:12] Keybuk: re [14:12] rehi [14:12] Keybuk: I didn't see it in that state from an interactive shell, now [14:12] s/now/no/ [14:12] me neither yet [14:12] wonder whether it's dependent on graphics card, etc. [14:12] I can try adding a sleep 60 to sendsigs and ssh in, or so [14:12] though that'd be odd [14:12] I seem to get the bug every third boot or so [14:13] oh, you do see the apport message? on intel? [14:13] yes, on the mini [14:13]