[03:08] <ScottL> persia: I had a look at the setup.py at it certainly wasn't clear at first glance ;P   any pointers you might offer would be greatly appreciated
[03:08] <ScottL> i have sick kids rights now (that's why I got some done today during the day) but I should devote some more time to study it a little later tonight
[03:10] <ScottL> i wasn't joking earlier when I stated I've never messed with python before :(   but again, I'll look through it and try to work it out given the context
[03:56] <ScottL> TheMuso, would you have two minutes to look at what I want to add to the ubuntustudio-look setup.py file to install the plymouth theme?
[03:56] <ScottL> not the whole file, just the one line that I want to add
[04:11] <TheMuso> ScottL: Sure.
[04:20] <persia> ScottL: Sorry, had a bit of a nap, and have to run off for a few hours, which probably digs into your night.  I'll check backscroll, and send you an email if you don't visibly have it resolved.
[04:37] <ScottL> persia, TheMuso       ('lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntustudio-logo', glob.glob('lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntustudio-logo/*'))
[04:38] <ScottL> that is what I added, i'm assuming that the 'ubuntustudio-logo' directory will be created under lib/plymouth/themes automatically
[04:38] <ScottL> and the ...ubuntustudio-logo/* will copy everything from that directory
[04:38]  * TheMuso needs to look at how the rest of the file is done to refres his memory.
[04:39] <ScottL> i'll be holding my son trying to get him to go to sleep but I'll keep checking back on IRC every ten minutes or so
[04:43] <TheMuso> ScottL: that looks right. The theme doesn't need to be compiled?
[05:07] <ScottL> TheMuso, no, it's quite nice!  real improvement, there.  It's using .png files for the graphics
[05:08] <TheMuso> ScottL: ah cool
[05:08]  * TheMuso wonders how we set the default plymouth theme...
[05:08] <ScottL> postint file - plymouth-set-default-theme --rebuild-initramfs ubuntustudio-logo
[05:08] <TheMuso> noice.
[05:09] <ScottL> i stole this from xubuntu-plymouth-theme    wish i was this cool ;P
[05:09] <TheMuso> ah ok
[05:09] <ScottL> going upstairs to try to clean up the problem in setup.py, i'm hoping I just screwed up some syntax when I added the line
[05:11] <TheMuso> ScottL: ah ok
[05:11] <ScottL_> yeah, I forgot the ending comma, going to try to rebuild and then install on fresh lucid-alpha partition (crosses fingers)
[05:12] <TheMuso> ScottL: If adding another line below others, don't forget to add a comma at the end of the previous line.
[05:14] <ScottL_> that was it, except I inserted it into the middle between two lines that didn't wrap around on the text editor (it looked cleaner and less likely for me to mess up)
[05:15] <ScottL_> well not in the middle of an individual line of course, but in the middle of the collective
[05:25] <TheMuso> ScottL: right
[05:31] <ScottL> it's going to take an hour to build in ppa, i'm going to bed, good night (or day)
[09:45]  * abogani waves
[10:02] <abogani> Could anyone correct an email before that I sent it? 
[10:05] <persia> I can proofread one, sure.  pastebin?
[10:08] <abogani> persia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/393912/ Thanks.
[10:08] <abogani> persia: Feel free to offend me (for my very bad English). :-)
[10:08] <persia> Do you want critique, or me to edit it directly?
[10:09] <persia> Also, do you want the old linux-rt package in the archive?
[10:10] <abogani> persia: Yes let linux-rt untouched please.
[10:10] <persia> And do you want critique or edits?
[10:11] <abogani> persia: I really appreciate if I can see your corrections (so edits please).
[10:11] <persia> Sure.
[10:12] <abogani> persia: Thanks very lot (I'm always very grateful to whom try to teach me some good English).
[10:15] <persia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/393917/
[10:16] <persia> Note that I would have phrased things very differently.  I tried to keep your pacing and sentence structure, just changing a few words and word positions.
[10:19] <abogani> persia: If it isn't a problem could you send me your version. If UDS ever came in Italy I'll offer a beer to for sure (or a glass of Chianti) :-)
[10:20] <persia> My version?  You mean a rewrite?
[10:23] <abogani> persia: Yes! If it isn't a problem for you (I wouldn't want bother you too much) 
[10:23] <persia> No problem.  Just take a bit (rewriting takes more time, like a real critique : edits are easy :) )
[10:25] <abogani> persia: Thanks (again)
[10:31] <persia> abogani: If I were writing that email, I'd have written something more like http://paste.ubuntu.com/393926/ .  I'll ask that you not send that directly, but if you want to borrow some of that and merge with http://paste.ubuntu.com/393917/ (or other sources), I would be happy to proofread it again.
[10:31] <persia> Each of us has our own voice in writing, and that presents itself, regardless of language.  I very much do *not* want to have you send something that indicates you are a different person than you are :)
[10:32] <persia> (plus it appears that the last paste has a couple spelling errors (e.g. flavout))
[10:33] <abogani> persia: I understand. 
[10:33]  * abogani listening Readtzky March...
[10:33] <abogani> Radetzky
[10:34] <abogani>  :-)
[10:34] <persia> :)
[10:34] <rlameiro> radetzky??? the march ?
[10:37] <abogani> rlameiro: Yes
[10:37] <rlameiro> will play that tomorrow
[10:37] <rlameiro> lol
[10:38] <rlameiro> again one more time
[10:38]  * abogani now switched to "Mysterious Ways."..
[12:31] <abogani> persia: I would want send your corrected version (http://paste.ubuntu.com/393917/) to studio devel/user and kernel mailing lists. May I send?
[12:31] <persia> Sure.  That's just edits to your voice.  I expected you to send that.
[12:32] <persia> Err, wait.
[12:32] <persia> Yeah, go ahead.
[12:32] <persia> It's http://paste.ubuntu.com/393926/ that I didn't want you to send, because it reads like I wrote it.
[12:42] <abogani> persia: Sent. Thanks a lot for you help.
[12:46]  * abogani just read an email on -devel and wondering on who take care of new member requests...
[12:47] <persia> What sort of member?
[12:48] <abogani> persia: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-March/002292.html
[12:48] <abogani> jussi01: Are you around?
[12:48]  * persia hunts down quadrispro
[12:52] <ScottL> re: ubuntu studio developer membership - I think most apply via the launchpad team and I believe that Luke (TheMuso) accepts or rejects them
[12:53] <ScottL> re: quadrispro     yay!
[12:53]  * abogani never heard that Luke take care of new members...
[12:53] <ScottL> I only know from experience
[12:54] <abogani> ScottL: Do you have any idea on who is the moderator of -users mailinglist?
[12:54] <ScottL> abogani, maybe, and this isn't definitive, just maybe it might be jussi01 
[12:55] <abogani> ScottL: Thanks Mr!
[12:55] <ScottL> persia, TheMuso, the build and installation of the plymouth theme went well and it works, although since ubuntu studio boots so quick you don't get much of a look at it
[12:56] <ScottL> persia, TheMuso, I'll file the UIF today while I'm at work (grandfather is coming to stay with sick kids today)
[12:56] <persia> ScottL: Perfect.
[12:56] <persia> ScottL: Thanks a lot for making this happen.
[12:57] <jussi01> abogani: pong
[12:57] <jussi01> and yes, I am the moderator of the list. 
[12:58] <abogani> ScottL: How many kids?
[12:58] <abogani> jussi01: Could you take care of this https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-studio-users/83402f205ff83ce18268123caa53e3fbb9d8b324, please? Thanks in advance!
[12:59] <jussi01> abogani: you want it canceled or acctepted?
[12:59] <abogani> jussi01: The second one, please.
[13:00] <jussi01> abogani: done
[13:00] <abogani> jussi01: Thanks.
[13:03] <jussi01> oh for petes sake, will someone add abogani to the team already?
[13:04] <abogani> jussi01: Sorry I don't understand...
[13:05] <jussi01> abogani: I just read your email. I dont understand why someone hasnt added you already to the team...
[13:05] <jussi01> but hang on
[13:06] <jussi01> you are a member of the team...
[13:06] <jussi01> Alessio Igor Bogani	2007-04-17	 ?	Approved
[13:06] <jussi01> oh hang on
[13:06] <jussi01> Im reading wrong... 
[13:06] <jussi01> Im looking at a different alessios email..
[13:07]  * jussi01 blushes and hides...
[13:07] <abogani> jussi01: :-)
[13:09] <abogani> What? Rhythmbox just started to play a Take That song! arghhhhhhh
[13:14]  * abogani singing "That's Amore" right now ...
[13:18] <ScottL> persia, thanks for the thanks, I am very, very glad to help (as I've probably stated numerous times before, heh)
[13:18] <ScottL> I just wished I knew more already so trying to get things like this done quickly wouldn't cause me to be a slightly frantic wreck
[13:19] <ScottL> abogani, two are sick and staying home, my wife and I were up almost all night two nights ago and I was a slight bit punch drunk from lack of sleep over two days (this is the normal me for the record)
[13:21] <persia> ScottL: The key thing to concentrate on for lucid is learning how things work, and how to get things done.  That should let you be productive in lucid+1 when you can follow the entire release schedule.  Don't worry too much if some stuff slips this cycle: you're still learning.
[13:24] <abogani> ScottL: Wow :-) If I recall well you are three-times father, right? Where is the third one? School?
[14:09] <jussi01> hello `Alessio`
[14:09] <`Alessio`> hello jussi01 persia 
[14:09] <`Alessio`> hello everyone
[14:09]  * jussi01 guesses this is alessio treglia?
[14:10] <persia> `Alessio`: What happened to "quadrispro"?
[14:10] <persia> heh :)
[14:11] <persia> Thanks for hitting the ams bug.
[14:11] <quadrispro> yep, now I'm myself :)
[14:11] <jussi01> ahh now theres no double tab :D
[14:11] <quadrispro> you're welcome, was my fault, I forgot to file a sync request
[14:13] <persia> I wondered about that when I saw the changelog :)
[14:14] <quadrispro> eh eh, my exams, idjc and some other stuff made me very busy
[14:17] <quadrispro> persia, have you ever been at the Canonical office in London? take a look a this fantastic view -> http://images.alessiotreglia.com/pool/millbank_tower.jpg
[14:18] <persia> Never been there.  Nice view!
[14:21] <quadrispro> before going away I would notice you that I'm working on the linuxsampler packaging, I hope Free should upload it to unstable in the next few days, so after that if we could try to get it in Lucid we need to manage a FFe
[14:21] <persia> Did the license for that get sane, or is it still special?
[14:22]  * persia will argue for blacklisting if it's still special
[14:22] <quadrispro> the license is GPL-3 with a special "commercial exception"
[14:22] <quadrispro> but we hope to get it available from non-free
[14:23] <persia> Please don't.
[14:23] <persia> It was removed from Debian based on that license.
[14:23] <quadrispro> yep we know
[14:23] <persia> The license is self-contradictory.
[14:23] <persia> Can you not convince Christian to use a sane license?
[14:23] <quadrispro> yes, we know, but upstream explained us the reason
[14:24] <persia> Which was the explanation this time?
[14:24]  * persia has seen about 4 so far
[14:25] <quadrispro> and it's quite easy: he doesn't want that 3rd parties can use his code to write new commercial and non-open software based on his work
[14:25] <persia> GPL does part 2.
[14:26] <persia> And GPL effectively does part 1 too.
[14:26] <persia> Because if anyone does do that, any purchaser can request the code.
[14:26] <persia> And then the purchaser can distribute for free, etc.
[14:27] <quadrispro> so, he said: "you can use it for commercial purposes, but you can't write any commercial linuxsampler-based software and release it under other different licenses"
[14:27] <quadrispro> yep, we know, but it's hard to convince him to change the license 
[14:27] <persia> quadrispro: The non-commercial clause contradicts clause 4 of the GPL.
[14:27] <persia> It cannot be distributed with the license as written.
[14:28] <persia> I know.  I was involved in a debate with him a long time ago.
[14:28] <quadrispro> yes, it also contradicts DFSG
[14:28] <persia> I will blacklist it from Ubuntu and complain to debian-legal if it gets into Debian with that license.
[14:28] <persia> Not that it's not good software, but that I do not believe it to be safe for any of the mirrors to distribute it.
[14:29] <quadrispro> I will talk to Free about that and try (again) to convince Christian to remove that clause
[14:30] <persia> Please.
[14:30] <persia> I'd love to have that software working, but I will push to have it dropped again if it gets in with that license.
[14:31] <quadrispro> now I have to go, but thanks persia, I'll let you know
[14:31] <quadrispro> see you later
[14:32] <persia> Great.  Happy to have you around.
[14:32] <quadrispro> thanks, the same here. hope to see you again at the next UDS!
[14:32] <quadrispro> see you later guys
[15:28] <ScottL_> hi quadrispro, glad you are here
[17:47] <abogani> jussi01: Could you help me again? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-studio-users/f1d9aafd2ee1bf651d96f647b5278f4685718df0
[17:54] <abogani> jussi01: Could you accept it, please? Thanks in advance! 
[19:45] <ScottL_> persia: don't know if you are around...i somewhat kept an eye on the release meeting but I was pretty busy at work today (being out with kids yesterday) and they talk about a LOT
[19:46] <ScottL_> so i'll review the meeting over the weekend and mention anything that I find of note
[21:21] <ScottL_> UI freeze exception bug filed LP#538274 for plymouth theme
[21:22] <ScottL_> persia or TheMuso, what is the next step that I need to do if/when the exception is approved