[00:00] richthegeek: not all mirrors are updated together [00:00] jarlath: finally a change that makes sense! [00:00] You need mountall 2.8. [00:00] richthegeek: you're most probably being bitten by that bug. [00:01] LOL richthegeek [00:01] i386 has been available for a while now, but amd64 won't be for perhaps another hour. [00:01] seriously, I put that sort of stuff in the topic for a reason. [00:01] crimsun: no explanation of what Plymouth is in the topic, and it's not my bug [00:02] Well, freedom to experiment is part of any good creative process. If you take that away we'll have even more to complain about. But that's a good thing right? :) [00:02] apt-cache show plymouth [00:02] ^^ tells you about it [00:03] wgrant: any confirmation that it works :) [00:03] * gnomefreak hasnt rebooted yet [00:03] richthegeek: if it's in the topic of the channel, I would expect you to read it regardless whether you know what plymouth is. [00:03] crimsun: That's like reading some Swahili [00:04] crimsun: doesnt matter if I read it, comprehension requires knowledge of the words [00:04] apt-cache should be a requirement for using devel [00:04] but hey thats just me [00:04] Particularly pre-beta. [00:04] mountall: [00:04] Installed: 2.7 [00:04] Candidate: 2.7 [00:04] BUGabundo: 2.8 for 386 in the gb mirrors [00:05] main mirror and 64bits [00:05] 64 not publisyhed yet [00:05] * BUGabundo refreshs [00:05] BUGabundo: ~ 1-2 hours [00:05] Plymouth is v 0.8.0~-13 [00:05] I'm not in an hurry [00:05] I don't have have plymouth installed [00:05] mountall is 2.7 [00:06] mountall: Installed: 2.7 Candidate: 2.8 [00:06] for 386 64 and others are not published yet [00:06] amd64 should be available on archive.ubuntu.com in around 40 minutes. [00:06] ok, will wait then to upgrade/reboot [00:08] can someone in GB with 64bit pastie there apt sources? mine is about 3 distros old by now [00:08] richthegeek: you can fairly easily generate your own, it's not exactly an opaque format [00:09] dutchie: -_- effort [00:09] 64bit doesnt have own source [00:09] in the sense that you mean mirror [00:09] sure, then remove that from the list of requirements for the person who pasties it please! [00:09] i have too many of them to edit it to paste it for you [00:10] the first N lines will be the default ones, surely? [00:10] just need a clean one is all [00:10] richthegeek: yeah with/without cd mirror [00:10] without [00:10] deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid main restricted universe multiverse [00:10] one minute [00:10] or that [00:10] deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-updates main restricted universe multiverse [00:11] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security main restricted universe multiverse [00:11] Although you only need the first line until release. [00:12] i have 142 lines :( not all enabled though [00:13] huh, it was basically clean already [00:19] where can i read about 538292? [00:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/538292 [00:19] Launchpad bug 538292 in plymouth "Latest plymouth update makes lucid stop at startup" [Critical,Fix committed] [00:21] Packages are hitting the archive/mirrors. [00:25] thanks it's not up yet for 64bit [00:25] KruyKaze: it will take time not all mirrors will get it right away [00:26] KruyKaze: It's syncing right now. [00:26] i suggest run update in about 30minutes [00:26] gnomefreak: Depends which mirror you're using. [00:26] got updates for dmsetup, gvfs, gparted, parted so far [00:26] thanks [00:27] i use gb as it is the most reliable for me and updated fastest i have found [00:29] * gnomefreak tests update [00:29] gnomefreak: Have you considered using http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ ? [00:30] BUGabundo: it seems to be shut down in the drop down (FUSA) but switch off in confirm dialog [00:31] gnomefreak: Have you considered using http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ ? [00:31] ok testing now [00:31] → http://ftpmap.osuosl.org/ [00:31] jpds: no but i will save it and give it a test in a few days when i get back [00:35] updates are gb [00:35] Right, pushes en route to mirrors. [00:35] s/pushes/updates/ [00:35] how do I upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04? [00:35] got mountall ;) [00:35] :)* [00:43] FFForever: you pray [00:43] or make backups, read topic, and run $update-manager -d [00:43] BUGabundo, I tried that but when I rebooted it went into windows =\ [00:43] (reply to the first comment xD) [00:43] FFForever: press left shift and choose Ubuntu ? [00:44] ubuntu is default... was a joke about praying for the upgrade... [00:44] Does anyone else have to log in twice? My X restarts after I finish typing my password the first time and it restarts. Interesting thing is I can type anythign else and it wont. [00:44] histo, MANY people do yes [00:45] ZykoticK9: K just making sure I wasn't the only one. [00:51] BUGabundo, can I move my mysql databases to /home? [00:51] anything is possible [00:52] histo, i believe the bug #532047 [00:52] Launchpad bug 532047 in plymouth "Plymouth text-mode splash causes X to crash on first run due to shared tty7" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532047 [00:57] FFForever: yes, use a softlink [00:57] FFForever: ln -s SOURCE TARGET [00:58] bug #666 [00:58] Launchpad bug 666 in malone "can't file a bug on Ubuntu" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666 [01:07] is it possible to get nouveau loaded earlier during boot so that plymouth shows the splash for a while? now the splash only shows for a second before X starts. [01:08] i did the plymouth upgrade and now i can boot [01:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/538292 [01:09] Launchpad bug 538292 in plymouth "Latest plymouth update makes lucid stop at startup" [Critical,Fix released] [01:09] jamesey: Yes, it's been fixed. [01:09] the fix is there, but i dont really know how to do it [01:09] what does boot to single user mode mean? [01:09] jamesey, for a step by step see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/quick-fixes [01:10] thanks. one question. i have 5 partitions because i duel boot mac os on my imac [01:11] is the partition i want the grub partition or the partition with all of the ubuntu os info? [01:11] jamesey, that's why the first step is "sudo fdisk -l" you need to know the exact partition Lucid is installed on [01:13] ZykoticK9, thanks. i have 4 partisions, sda1,2,3,&4. shoudl i choose the one labeled linux, sda4? [01:13] jamesey, I can't say for sure? is that the only linux partition? [01:14] i think it is. the others are gpt, hfs (my mac os partition) and efi (refit for booting linux on imacs) [01:14] jamesey, then that must be the one then [01:18] thanks Zykotick9, it worked === meatcar_ is now known as meatcar [01:25] jamesey, nice! === daijoubu is now known as Okidesu [02:28] how do i install the java plugin? [02:37] KruyKaze: either install open-jdk or enable the partner repo to install sun java [02:42] where for openjdk the java plugin is called icedtea6-plugin [03:09] any ideas of how to get win ce device to show as a storage device like USB device? NOT intersted in syncing any thing but being able to copy and move and delete files? [03:19] omg [03:19] why is Yahoo! the default search in lynx? [03:20] happyface, Yahoo paid Canonical for it, extensive coverage all over the net [03:20] ZykoticK9: thanks I figured, haven't read anything on that [03:20] happyface, you can change it by setting the search engine in the firefox search bar then changing the homepage [03:20] ddecator: I know how to change it thanks [03:21] any ideas of how to get win ce device to show as a storage device like USB device? NOT intersted in syncing any thing but being able to copy and move and delete files? [03:21] smart move on Yahoo's part [03:21] happyface, fair enough, i've just heard a lot of people freaking out thinking they couldn't change it... [03:21] if you can't change your default search provider, you shouldn't be using alpha software -_- [03:39] " ALSA: usbaudio: introduce new types for audio class v2" [03:39] in 2.6.34-rc1. [03:41] ALSA: hda - Detect HP mute-LED GPIO setup from GPIO counts [03:41] interesting. [03:41] hey there, I'm pretty sure I found a bug with keyring and wicd in lubuntu lucid. How would I report that? [03:42] hello [03:42] apport-collect -p linux 527369 [03:43] is there anything wrong in the syntax [03:43] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [03:43] Semitones, does lubuntu use gnome keyring? is the issue in keyring or wicd? [03:44] Usage: apport-gtk [03:44] apport-gtk: error: no such option: -p [03:45] ZykoticK9, this is a fresh install of alpha 3 + updates -- it looks a lot like gnome's keyring. The problem is "triggered" by attempting to join a WPA network, but the problem is that keyring prompts me multiple times, and still can't fetch the WPA network key [03:45] happyface, bug 527369 needs to run that command [03:45] Launchpad bug 527369 in linux "sudo lshw causes console to turn blue on dell inspiron 1011" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527369 [03:45] Semitones, then try using "ubuntu-bug gnome-keyring" and follow the onscreen/browser prompts. Good luck. [03:46] ZykoticK9, thank you [03:47] ah first I'm gonna grab the latest updates === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away [03:50] is aptitude safe-upgrade the preferred method? [03:51] it's more of a personal choice... [03:59] hi guys, I think I've got a really broken install [04:00] tamran, can you be more specific? [04:00] I have now 3 major issues, 1) gnome no longer registers in my gdm login. 2) USB disks are no longer auto mounted. 3) mediatomb won't install (this is a new bug and I'm sure it's being addressed) [04:00] tamran, i don't think your going to be able to use an 8.04 kernel with Lucid if that's what your asking [04:01] ZykoticK9: hehe, you saw my comment in the other channel didn't you! :) [04:01] tamran, yup [04:01] ZykoticK9: I'm assuming it's the KMS thing regarding that [04:01] ZykoticK9: I suspected as much ... [04:01] tamran, i just don't think a kernel that old is gonna jive with lucid that's all [04:01] probably not... [04:01] ZykoticK9: what about a 9.10 install with 2.6.26 kernel? [04:02] tamran, no idea man [04:02] ZykoticK9: ok, no problem [04:02] ZykoticK9: so, what about an 8.04 install and sprinkle in the newer apps that I want/need as I go? [04:03] tamran, i view 8.04 as being kinda archaic at this point... mind you i'm running Lucid alpha (so what do you expect). Are you sure your ATI isn't supported by something newer, what model is it? [04:04] radeon xpress 200m :( [04:04] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) [04:05] it works pretty good desktop wise in lucid, except now I've got some serious problems on this install (such as gnome not showing up anymore, so I'm stuck in xfce) [04:06] and I'm noticing a lot of badly behaving disk io leaving my old lappy here quite unresponsive for minutes at a time [04:06] tamran, sorry man, my quick googling just finds lots of people with issues and your card... I don't use ATI at all, so don't have any personal experience, sorry. Best of luck. [04:07] ZykoticK9: ati sucks, I know. My latest laptop has nvidia now so it works GREAT [04:07] tamran, i certainly didn't want to say anything - but ya [04:07] hehe [04:08] ZykoticK9: you should try xorg-edgers on an R600 card... it works awesomely well. [04:08] no problem [04:08] Especially with 2.6.33 kernel from the mainline thingy. [04:08] tamran, see DanaG above [04:08] DanaG: is that for an ATI card? [04:08] yeah. [04:08] Even has GLSL support. [04:08] DanaG: I'm the one with an unsupported ATI card [04:08] is there a build of the 190 series current stable nvidia driver for lucid? [04:08] so, what exactly is xorg-edgers? [04:09] Oh yeah, XPress 200 is a sucky card -- doesn't even have hardware TCL (transform, clipping, and lighting). [04:09] vivid, current is 195 [04:09] er, what version of mesa is in original Lucid? [04:10] ZykoticK9, http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html theres a notice on how to not use 195 [04:10] mesa | 7.7-4ubuntu1 | lucid | source [04:10] vivid, true - but that is the version in "nvidia-current" [04:10] ah. xorg-edgers has 7.9.0. [04:10] https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa [04:10] so, is there a build of the 190 noncurrent but stable dirver? [04:11] vivid, i don't even think that the fan bug is confirmed in linux for 195, it's more just a precaution [04:11] Just be aware that the phrase "if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces" applies. =þ [04:11] My response to that fan control bug: [04:11] vivid, BUT to be save avoid 195 [04:11] DanaG: it seems pretty beta ... is it stable? [04:11] gn8 guys [04:11] i haven't had any trouble with 195... [04:11] i dont even see where nvidia says 195 is the stable release [04:11] ddecator, nor i [04:11] It has been pretty stable for me. I am also using kernels from here: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa [04:12] vivid, "apt-cache policy nvidia-current" [04:12] so far it's a huge improvement over 185 [04:12] And you may even not really need the new kernel. [04:12] DanaG: will it improve the GL effects with my card? [04:13] Hopefully, it should to some degree. I'm not sure what the state of R300 era hardware is, though. [04:13] 300m, specifically, is a card that's really weak. [04:13] ZykoticK9, that tells me nothing i didnt already know [04:13] I've got a 200m [04:13] which I'm assuming is a total POS [04:14] vivid, "i dont even see where nvidia says 195 is the stable release" - apt-cache policy tells you?! [04:14] http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature [04:14] er, my response to the fan control bug: [04:14] why is your fan speed control in the DRIVER? [04:14] that tells me that ubuntu says its the current release, that doesnt mean its released as stable by nvidia [04:14] It should darn well be in the FIRMWARE! [04:14] vivid, ok true [04:14] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_190.53.html [04:14] is the current stable release [04:15] well, I'd just stay with this current install of Lucid alpha even if I could fix the broken gnome and broken USB automount [04:15] Or at the very least, have ONE hardware "way too hot" cutoff point. [04:15] but, theres no package for it that i can find, my question is, is there a build of this, or do i need to do it myself [04:15] oh yeah, off I go to boot 2.6.34-rc1... yay [04:15] and there is one other nagging issue since 9.10, which is that there seems to be overbearing disk caching [04:16] so I'm debating a system wipe/reinstall ... but I'm on the fence which way to go [04:17] prior to the fan bug the 195 was the stable release [04:18] i never saw it go stable [04:18] its been beta for months [04:18] and still listed as such in their channel [04:18] channel? [04:19] #nvidia [04:19] lts release with beta software...go figure [04:19] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1836667&postcount=1 [04:19] there's proof [04:19] end of story [04:20] ok, so the answer to my question is no, there is no 190 package [04:20] even though we can supposedly have multiple versions installed now [04:20] bjsnider, what's your take on the 195-fan bug - is this cause to not use the driver? [04:21] I read that nvidia binary drivers are problematic with Lucid and KMS? [04:21] what is the advantage of KMS right now other than perhaps a flickr free boot? [04:21] I'd call nvidia stupid for leaving fan control to the driver, instead of the firmware. [04:21] flickr? =þ [04:21] DanaG: how's the new kernel? [04:22] hmm, seems about the same as the 33 kernels. [04:22] ZykoticK9, this is a bug in how the shared code for all platforms deals with the firmware. all cards that have fans are at risk [04:22] about the only oddity I have: if I run the mesa demo "glxgears_pixmap", I get an unkillable xorg hang. But only with that one demo. [04:22] bjsnider, ok thanks man [04:23] until then use the driver at your own risk, or switch to nouveau or vesa [04:23] 90% of the code in the nvidia blob is shared. only 10% is specific to linux [04:23] hmm, how is nouveau with fan control? does it just leave the firmware to its own algorithm? [04:23] And was the nvidia driver overriding their own firmware fan control? [04:24] nouveau i believe just turns the fan on maximum and leaves it there [04:24] bjsnider, ya saw all the PlanetUbuntu posts about it - i'm not really overly concerned, but i thought when the opportunity was right there - I'd ask an expert :) [04:24] DanaG, i suppose so [04:24] I'm just thinking in terms of "failure mode" -- it's really bad design if the card lets you run it so hot it dies, without the card firmware / hardware kicking the fan into full speed. [04:25] here's a silly question: does ubuntu have some kind of indexing turned on? [04:25] i agree that the firmware should be in 100% control of the heat/fan issue [04:25] but there you have it [04:25] At the very least, ONE über-failsafe 100%-speed mode should be mandatory. [04:25] oh, and nvidia 96 drivers: 3 years ago, they stopped being able to do anything but segfault the X server. [04:26] And every year, nvidia updates them to segfault newer X servers. [04:26] =þ [04:26] Uhm - is there a xorg.conf file in Lucid? I don't seem to have one. [04:26] stooj_, not by default - http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/create-an-xorg-conf-file === stooj_ is now known as StooJ [04:27] ZykoticK9: Phew. So, how do I turn DRI off? Generate one? [04:28] StooJ, no idea man? [04:29] OK, no worries. Cheers anyway ZykoticK9 [04:29] StooJ, you may not need one, if for instance you are on an intel graphics platform [04:31] DanaG, my nvidia card's fan sounds like it runs at 100% all the time. coolbits doesn't work on it. there are no power management options. so at least some of this can be overriden by the hardware [04:32] tamran, the nvidia blob doesn't have a kms driver. they are mutually exclusive. the nouveau driver does have a kms driver [04:32] * DanaG is a fan of ATI / AMD. And random thing: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/insideati/index.htm -- looks like they have an awesome sense of aesthetics. [04:33] bjsnider: I just get a blank screen & unresponsive keyboard after log-in on my macbook (intel gpu), so I was trying to work around it before filing a bug report [04:34] DanaG, if you talk to luc verhaegen, it seems that amd and ati are not as simpatico as you think. quite the bloody opposite. [04:34] simpatico? [04:34] that word's not in my vocabulary. =þ [04:34] in other words, they're not on the same page. they don't play well together [04:34] they're enemies [04:34] Weird. [04:35] his story is that amd's efforts at open sourcing ati's garbage was met with fierce bureaucratic resistance [04:35] at this point amd is in such bad shape that they can't force ati to open source anything [04:36] no new documentation has been dropped since early in 2008 [04:36] no new AMD, or no new ATI? [04:36] ati [04:37] because amd no longer has the resources to force ati to drop documents [04:37] i wish intel would buy them both and fire ati's driver team [04:37] and management team [04:37] even the janitors === denis-k is now known as denis-k[away] [04:38] Yeah... and then we'd be stuck with what we had in the P4 era: only one player monopolizing stuff. [04:39] i find no redeeming feature in ati. at least nvidia provides fairly reliable drivers, if nothing else. [04:39] yeah... until you try running some SDL opengl app and get NVRM: XID -- and can't figure out whether it's your code, or NV code, that's at fault. [04:40] That happened to a classmate trying to work on the lab computers at school. [04:40] not a monopoly. intel would have cornered the market for a time. but that too would pass. nothing lasts forever [04:41] intel would have the resources to get something done at ati [04:41] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA1Mw [04:42] I'd hope the SEC (is that the department that handles that stuff?) would block such a monopolistic move. [04:42] anyway, this is wayy off-topic. [04:43] guys...can someone explain the decision to go pulseaudio instead of straight alsa... so far it seems really bad in terms of cards recognized..quality of sound etc [04:43] it's not a monopoly. only the state can create a monopoly by outlawing entry into a market. intel would have simply cornered the market because of their efficiency [04:43] coz_, good thing you're not asking about a subject that's been flogged to death already [04:44] coz_, Pulse replaced ESD not alsa - Pulse uses alsa for all the hardware support [04:44] bjsnider, ah well I didnt see the flogging :) [04:44] where have you been? [04:44] ZykoticK9, understood...however it seems way worse [04:44] just google it and you'll see it [04:44] coz_, i hear you [04:45] most people have never had any problems with pulse [04:45] bjsnider, until recently I would get rid of pulseaudio and compile alsa for my pro sound card [04:45] pro? is it an m-audio? [04:45] bjsnider, until I get that fixed I am "stuck" with pulseaudio [04:45] bjsnider, echoaudio layla [04:45] get in touch with crimsun about this [04:46] bjsnider, and no pulseaudio does not support that card [04:46] it does if alsa does [04:46] no it doesnt [04:46] and I am glad of that by the way :) [04:46] are you in the sound business? [04:46] My only real issue with pulseaudio is this one: [04:46] bjsnider, I do much recording yes [04:47] http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678 [04:47] you might want to use jack instead of pulse [04:48] bjsnider, hopefully i will get my layla back in the system soon and wont have to bother :) [04:48] but intil then ..... :) [04:48] coz_, talk to crimsun about what your options are [04:48] bjsnider, I will thanks [04:49] weird... 34 kernel on my netbook panics. [04:49] and unfortunately, I can't get a backtrace easily. [04:49] ossv4 is not the way to go either since its support of cards seems to be diminishing rather rapidly [04:50] No serial port. [04:50] heh, I tried oss4 twice... hard-locked my system when I inserted my cardbus audigy2. [04:51] DanaG, not surprising :) [04:53] ok guys thanks :) [04:55] mmm moe. much better [04:55] whoops [05:07] Does anyone know if Ubuntu 10.04 Netbook Edition will have the ability to switch back to the desktop? [05:07] anyone running 64bit can confirm fix for bug 538292 is out? [05:07] Launchpad bug 538292 in plymouth "Latest plymouth update makes lucid stop at startup" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538292 [05:10] kermiac, yes, mountall was updated [05:10] however, i still had it log me out when i hit ...anybody here that can confirm that bug is still happening? [05:10] ddecator: Theres was a note in the changelog regarding that it may still happen with people who get the text plymouth. [05:11] ddecator: thanks mate - forgot u r running 64 bit :) [05:11] Pici, ah, thanks for pointing that out, i'll take a look at it [05:11] kermiac, no problem =) [05:14] grr, 34-rc1 kernel panics on my netbook. [05:14] and objdump doesn't like bzimage format. [05:14] so I can't find where _log_buf is. [05:15] oh, System.map. [05:15] right. [05:20] there we go, found the report... [05:37] hello all... if i wanted to test with a mainline kernel.. [05:38] and i have... [05:38] 2.6.32-16-generic currently [05:38] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=D;O=A [05:39] do i just get the highest number? [05:39] or the one that matches my current one? [05:53] Mapping is here, holstein : http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html [05:54] AH [05:55] holstein: but my guess is if you are going to forward something upstream, the very latest would be preferred [05:55] im just wanting to test a bug running it [05:59] Has anyone succsuffly made a bootable usb flash drive for 10.04 using the older 9.04 ubuntu? it just kept failing on me here. But Unetbootin seemed to worked.. [05:59] well unetbootin might of worked..it may of just Hung.. :) (i cursed it) [06:17] Dr_Willis: yes, I used 9.04 to successfully create a bootable usb drive using usb startup disk creator [06:18] Hmm. Bummer daily build ISO and live/flash made both just go to a black screen. [06:18] dont really want to install A3 then install 4000+mb of updates. :) when i planned on doing a clean install to test RC1 [06:19] next scheduled release is the 19th isent it? Not got a web browser handy to check [06:19] !schedule [06:19] A schedule of Lucid Lynx (10.04) release milestones can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule [06:20] next scheduled release is the 19th isent it? Not got a web browser handy to check <<-- [06:20] :) [06:20] according to the website it's 18th [06:20] wait the cd is still spinning... [06:20] yeah, i saw that - just did that so i could grab the url :) [06:20] Perhaps the live cd takes a LONG time to load. [06:20] i.e. count ont he 18th [06:20] Ive had such issues with cd drives lately. [06:21] s/18/19/ ...to avoid dissapointment [06:21] Dr_Willis: are u using an ati graphics card? [06:21] I got a display.. thats.. weird.. took like 4 min for the cd to get to the desktop. Perhaps i should of had more patience with the flash drive. :) [06:21] kermiac: good old nividia thats worked great for years in Ubuntu [06:21] oh, well not the same issue i had the other day then :) [06:22] well it finally started at least :) [06:23] during the install.. has anyone ever noticed the 'migrating windows users' to actually do anything OTHER then just copy the wallpaper over? :) [06:24] these wineows users that have tried ubuntu - always seem to expect it to do a LOT more. [06:24] lets see what it does. :) gotta love testing machines === kermiac is now known as kermiac_ [06:27] * Dr_Willis recalls installs from the past.. One Disrto had a tetris game you could play.. others had Solitare.. :) In gentoo i would emerge irssi befor installing and irc chat while it installed... [06:27] hello party people. does anyone have any experience setting up lucid on a macbook pro (5,1 prefferably)? [06:28] Not Me. [06:28] * Dr_Willis has had rather bad mac experiences.. and wont go near apple any moar. [06:28] :( sorry to hear that willis [06:28] Im Not. :) the more i learn about apple.. the more i learned its best to stay away heh. [06:29] Linux on my iMACDV PPC - is a big disaster. [06:29] heh in some aspects, but its the easiest triple boot solution for me at the moment [06:29] BUt that iMAC is a Doorstop now mainly [06:29] ah good ol ppc [06:30] OS-X on it does turn it into an ok 'bash' terminal i can ssh from to the linux box. [06:31] even trying to get that 'working' on OS-9 shows the huge limitions and problems os-9 had. [06:31] a good use. id turn it into a tv :p [06:31] i only switched to a mac after osx [06:31] Its basically the emergancy 'ssh' and browser box. [06:32] OS-9 had so many neat features.. that just got tossed out.. but thats the nature of Big companies and their OS's it seems [06:33] Is there any way to set plymouth to use the graphical boot instead of text boot? [06:33] Hmm the 10.04 installer has a 'skip' button during the 'configuring XXXXXX' stage makes me wonder what it would skip.. [06:33] then teh button just vanished.. heh... [06:33] Thats... odd. [06:33] it skips configuring hardcore porn apparently [06:33] REALLY hardcore [06:33]