[00:01] <gnomefreak> topyli: yeah thats been like that and it seems they are changing other themes to fit the new Ubuntu themes
[00:01] <gnomefreak> it was part of the g-t profile thing
[00:02] <gnomefreak> at least that was one of the apps
[00:02] <topyli> i'll just keep using my high quality topyli themes :)
[00:03] <gnomefreak> i also have a few i made that i use
[00:05] <topyli> mine are just simple variants (color schemes) of a few good themes, like clearlooks or elementary
[00:07] <gnomefreak> topyli: mine too making full versions is not something i can do at least not sure if i can
[00:08] <topyli> no reason, when you can take what others already did! :)
[00:08] <gnomefreak> good point
[00:08] <gnomefreak> use-reuse
[00:08] <topyli> i just find a nice desktop background and change clearlooks colors to match
[00:09] <topyli> sometimes i like something so much i save the theme as 'topyli-grayish-non-boring' or similar names
[00:10] <knome> :P
[00:11] <knome> topyli, i envy the amount of imagination and creativiness you put into those names.
[00:12] <topyli> heh
[00:13] <topyli> i even have a theme on gnome-look.org!
[00:13] <knome> oooh
[00:13] <topyli> it's a metacity theme called not-very-much
[00:13] <knome> >__<
[00:13] <gnomefreak> i use john's theme1 ....;2.....3
[00:13] <knome> well, that TELLS A LOT
[00:13] <knome> :P
[00:13] <gnomefreak> sorry not real creative on that
[00:13]  * gnomefreak uses picture to tell apart
[00:14] <topyli> i found a metacity theme with no titlebar at all, but i was unhappy because it still draws a colored border around the window. so i removed the color and uploaded the theme to gnome-look
[00:14] <topyli> i'm a gnome designer and should totally try and get foundation membership
[00:15] <gnomefreak> i spent about an hour looking for good backgrounds. didnt find a whole lot of them
[00:16]  * gnomefreak still waiting for 3.0
[00:16]  * knome is pretty much waiting for xfce 4.8
[00:16] <gnomefreak> only 2 more releases left
[00:17] <gnomefreak> xfce ==4.6?
[00:17] <topyli> gnomefreak, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/213546/index.html -- see promatic and graymatic
[00:17] <knome> gnomefreak, yep. 4.8 is the next
[00:17] <topyli> promate even
[00:17] <knome> topyli, like the balloons bg, though the balloons could have way less contrast
[00:18] <knome> topyli, weird hat.
[00:18] <topyli> knome, there's also a version where the balloons are light blue. it's not very bad
[00:18] <gnomefreak> i like the balloons one
[00:18] <topyli> knome, bald protection for summer!
[00:19] <topyli> gnomefreak, let me upload the one with the blueish balloons so you can take a look at that too
[00:19] <gnomefreak> topyli: thanks
[00:21] <topyli> gnomefreak, refresh the index page, find balloonsblue
[00:21] <gnomefreak> topyli: thanks
[00:22] <gnomefreak> oh yeah i like that
[00:22] <topyli> gah! could have linked directly, i'm just too exited about dropbox-index.py once i found it :)
[00:25] <knome> topyli, the image reminds me of: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/63292/balloon-cup
[00:29] <topyli> knome, i have no idea what that is, but it does look fun :)
[00:30] <knome> topyli, never played the game myself either. but i've heard it's a bit too long an boring for it's genre. sadly. i kind of would have liked the theme :)
[00:34] <topyli> yeah :)
[00:36] <ikonia> I've pm'd paddy_melon to join #ubuntu-ops to talk about his unathurozied bot
[00:36] <ikonia> he knows the rules on this
[00:36] <ikonia> hello paddy_melon thank you for joining
[00:36] <paddy_melon> k
[00:36] <paddy_melon> yep soz
[00:36] <ikonia> paddy_melon: could you please explain why you're running an unauthorized bot in #ubuntu ?
[00:36] <paddy_melon> got installed and, somehow went to that channel
[00:36] <paddy_melon> sorry
[00:36] <paddy_melon> It won't be back
[00:37] <ikonia> ok, thank you
[00:37] <paddy_melon> Once again, sorry for any problems caused
[00:37] <ikonia> no problem, thank you
[00:38] <topyli> all good then. let's hope this is not a recurring event
[00:38] <paddy_melon> BTW, that address is of a shell that a few users use so, some may not be able to connect. I've changed the config of my bot now
[00:38] <ikonia> ok, thank you
[00:38] <paddy_melon> so perhaps you should unban that?
[00:38] <ikonia> we'll look into that
[00:38] <paddy_melon> k
[00:38] <paddy_melon> ok, thanks guys and sorry once again
[00:39] <ikonia> no problem again
[00:39] <ikonia> fyi: I'm not removing that ban just yet, I'll put a note in BT
[00:39] <topyli> ikonia, do you think the bot will not return if there is no ban?
[00:39] <topyli> oh, you don't
[00:40] <ikonia> also keep in mind paddy's a long term problem user and so are his friends (bernard_chan) that use that shell account
[00:40] <topyli> i'm familiar with paddy himself
[00:40] <ikonia> I'd rather leave that in place for just a few days
[00:40] <topyli> agreed
[00:41] <ikonia> easy to remove (I'll put a note in BT for after the weekend)
[00:41] <jrib> yeah, I think we should unban.  I removed the shellium ban a few weeks (months ago), this is the first incident I've noticed and the admins for shellium seem to be pretty responsive (or were in the past at least)
[00:42] <jrib> just my opinion, if you think it's better to leave the ban ikonia, I won't argue
[00:42] <ikonia> it's up to you guys, I'd rather leave it in place for a few days based on paddy's past behaviour and his chums
[00:42] <ikonia> make sure this isn't one of their stupid games
[00:43] <jrib> I'm not familiar with his behavior, just remember the name.  So I'll defer to your judgment
[00:43] <topyli> if it's shellium, we may be talking about lots of users
[00:43] <ikonia> most probably a genuine mistake as suggested, but that's the issue with being a long term problem user, credability goes
[00:43] <jrib> I think they get to choose their hostnames, so it's easy for them to get around the ban anyway
[00:43] <ikonia> if you'd rather remove it, I'm cool with that
[00:43] <topyli> i still think we can push a message by removing the an a bit later
[00:43] <jrib> they can choose *.shellium.org afaik
[00:45] <topyli> um, in that case the ban isn't even a problem for shellium users?
[00:46] <jrib> well, I kicked two clones after ikonia's banned with the same hostname.  I assume they were clones, but they may have been regular users
[00:46] <jrib> At least a couple of months ago, the default hostname was something like support.at.shellium.org
[00:50] <topyli> i'm going to escape to bed. i can't really form opinions, although i would support a short ban (a day? two?) to make sure the Coming of End of Trouble
[00:51] <ikonia> I'll make a note to remove it and see if jrib's suggestions come to reality
[01:02] <ikonia> on it
[01:02] <Flannel> mmm, alright.
[01:03] <ikonia> police_officer = ryan = daemonFC ?
[01:03] <Flannel> Mr Farmer?
[01:03] <ikonia> maybe?
[01:03] <Flannel> let me look
[01:04] <ikonia> ta
[01:08] <Flannel> I don't think so
[01:09] <ikonia> cool, thanks
[01:13] <ikonia> talking to vamp in pm
[01:15] <bazhang> don't see much support from linuxguy2009 ; every answer seems to be karmic is a failure, no surprise it is not working for you
[01:16]  * jpds trolls back.
[01:16] <jpds> bazhang: Hey dude.
[01:17] <bazhang> jpds, hi
[01:17] <jpds> bazhang: You ever seen how awesome our TW mirror stuff is? http://people.canonical.com/~jpds/mirrors/push-archive-mirrors-dot.png
[01:18] <bazhang> jpds, very nice! I know from experience when updating / upgrading that they are flawless
[01:19] <jpds> I was very surprised when I found them out.
[01:27] <ikonia> Hmmm this looks interesting.
[01:27] <ikonia> no idea who tharkun is or why he wants me
[01:43] <ikonia> bed time - out
[01:43] <bazhang> night
[02:56] <bazhang> mYute, hi, can we help you?
[02:57] <mYute> oh no
[02:57] <mYute> no idea why i was redirected here
[02:57] <mYute> im sorry
[03:19] <Flannel> Your quit message I fathom.
[03:19] <Flannel> I just have no idea where he's forwarded from
[03:20] <Seeker`> @bansearch mYute
[03:20] <Seeker`> @login
[03:20] <Seeker`> @bansearch mYute
[03:20] <Flannel> Looked yesterday, not in there.
[03:22] <gord> how bizarre
[03:35] <elky> #ubuntu, set by mneptok, by unaffiliated cloak
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: how often is ubot3's database synced to ubottu's again?
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> !games
[03:57] <Semitones> would that be a useful addition?
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> possibly
[03:58] <mneptok> i banned mYute for his/her /quit message
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> Semitones: I don't see that channel on the Ubuntu channel list.
[03:58] <Semitones> I found it on the teams page
[03:58] <mneptok> (and guessing from the content of the message, it's "his")
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> Semitones: link?
[03:59] <Semitones> tonyyarusso, the channel seems pretty quiet though
[03:59] <Semitones> tonyyarusso, their topic has the link -
[03:59] <persia> And doesn't follow current governance recommendations.
[03:59] <Semitones> just a sec
[04:00] <Semitones> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam/
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> Semitones: you'll need to get them up to speed with policy and such and listed on the IRC wiki page before it should be in the factoid I think.
[04:01] <persia> I don't think it's best to point folk looking at games to a marketing team.
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> that too
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> maybe it should be -marketing-games or something
[04:02] <Semitones> I thought they were gaming enthusiasts... whoops
[04:02] <persia> There's been a number of long threads about the nomenclature of that team.  It's not worth raising them again.
[04:02] <Semitones> I see
[04:02] <persia> Semitones: Most of them are, but their focus is on marketing and promotion for that team.
[04:03] <persia> Semitones: So while that team benefits from help, I think we'd do better to either create new space (if there is sufficient demand), or just also discuss games in existing channels.
[04:04] <Semitones> persia, that sounds like the best idea
[04:05] <Semitones> the only reason I brought it up was there was someone in -offtopic looking to play wormux with somebody, while nobody did
[04:05] <Semitones> *nobody else wanted to
[04:06] <Semitones> but you're right, until there's enough of a population in -gaming, with a focus on games, -offtopic is as good a place as any to discuss games
[04:42] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: hourly
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> o rly?
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> !-lucid
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> what timezone are those stamps?  UTC?
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: I'm quite certain that factoid was edited more than an hour ago, and it hasn't yet updated in ubot3, is why I ask.
[04:45] <nhandler> tonyyarusso: Those times are UTC
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> Okay, so that makes it almost 24 hours ago.
[04:46] <nhandler> Yep
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: So I suspect something about that database sync is broken.
[04:48] <nalioth> there is a cronjob that grabs the ubottu db hourly and replaces ubot3s db with it
[04:48] <nalioth> i have no idea why some factoids update and some do not
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> is there some sort of lock on certain parts?
[04:54] <nalioth> i just give the bot a place to stay  :P
[05:30] <Pici> oh dear
[05:41] <Pici> I'm spamming #ubuntu with modes. Sorry.
[05:41] <Flannel> Pici: Spam Spam Spam, Spam Spam, Eggs and Spam.
[05:42] <Pici> We have ~450 stale exceptions
[05:42] <Flannel> Oh, fun.
[05:49] <Pici> done... finally.
[07:45] <elky> wait, banlist filled up again already? why...?
[07:46] <bazhang> 450 or so stale exceptions
[07:57] <elky> bazhang, I removed the pre-march exceptions in 2 of the floodbots just the other day.
[07:58] <bazhang> elky, just reporting what P i c i said from earlier
[07:58] <elky> yeah, but if it's filled up in a matter of days, then the problem is incrementally worsening
[08:01] <jussi01> hrm, anyone about with launchpadlib experience that could write a small script for me?
[08:03] <jussi01> elky: iirc, theres an issue currently with the FB's not removing exceptions correctly.
[08:05] <elky> yeah i've kinda noticed, but that a fortnights worth for 2 bots have been replaced in a matter of like 2 days is scary.
[09:26] <jussi01> !ops | The IRCC has been cleaning up the access list in here. If you have lost your +V in here and believe you should still have it, please contact one of the IRCC. Thanks!
[09:26] <ikonia> test
[09:26] <elky> well... you could cross reference who you just pinged :P
[09:26] <bazhang> sucess
[09:26] <elky> fail
[09:26] <bazhang> phail1
[09:26] <elky> yar
[09:27] <jussi01> no, not so fail, as most people have ! o p s on highlight.
[09:27] <elky> jussi01, you just know you want /another/ launchpad team for voice tracking
[09:27] <jussi01> elky: no, not at all.
[09:27] <bazhang> sorry just kidding jussi01
[09:27] <elky> jussi01, "fail" as in success has 2 c's
[09:30]  * jussi01 whatevers and gets back to work.
[09:30]  * elky raises an eyebrow
[09:46] <ikonia> ok - I'm getting tired of spaceghost now
[09:47] <ikonia> he's lecturing DrWillis who was helping someone really nice
[09:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> I have a question.
[09:49] <ikonia> then ask it
[09:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's about informing others about how to use pipes.
[09:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> Is it alright?
[09:50] <ikonia> yes it is
[09:50] <SpaceGhostC2C> Okay, thank you.
[09:50] <ikonia> ughhh
[09:50] <ikonia> never gives time to answer
[09:51] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: yes?
[09:51] <ikonia> thank you for returning
[09:51] <ikonia> I was about to type before you exited
[09:51] <SpaceGhostC2C> Oh.sorry.
[09:51] <ikonia> There is no problem with telling people to use pipes, it's solid advice to help the channel, however look at the situation and the way you approach it
[09:51] <ikonia> 1.) Dr_Willis was helping the guy fine
[09:52] <ikonia> 2.) Dr_willis does not randomly query the bot in the channel, it was 2 occasions
[09:52] <ikonia> 3.) the way you approach it "do you randomly query the bot in channels normally?"
[09:52] <ikonia> 4.) "use pipes please"
[09:52] <ikonia> thats not great
[09:52] <ikonia> I understand what you where trying to do
[09:52] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: good point. he did randomly query a couple times though, I checked.
[09:52] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: a "couple" of times
[09:53] <ikonia> oops
[09:53] <ikonia> with topyli
[09:53] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: so how about stop trying to direct people as you've been asked, and agreed to do with tonyyarusso
[09:53] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: investigate the bot is the correct way to randomly query, right?
[09:53] <ikonia> he wasn't randomly querying
[09:54] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'll change my approach to telling him to use pipes.
[09:54] <ikonia> or don't tell him
[09:54] <ikonia> there wasn't a need
[09:54] <ikonia> but if you do need to tell $someone, approach it better
[09:54] <ikonia> or better still - don't do it at all, as you agreed with topyli
[09:54] <SpaceGhostC2C> Will do.
[09:54] <ikonia> do you remember agreeing that with topyli ?
[09:54] <SpaceGhostC2C> I didn't agree not to show people a better way. I agreed not to troll them.
[09:55] <ikonia> no you didn't
[09:55] <ikonia> and stop trying to direct the channel
[09:55] <SpaceGhostC2C> And to approach things nicer..
[09:55] <ikonia> you agreed to allow the ops to deal with issues
[09:55] <ikonia> do you remember that
[09:55] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I did, it wasn't an issue, I just wanted to let him know he should use a pipe. Just a friendly thought. I didn't approach it correctly.
[09:56] <ikonia> do you remember agreed to stop trying to direct the channels
[09:56] <topyli> SpaceGhostC2C, if someone makes a random mistake with the bot, the correct way to handle is not to handle it at all. if someone is doing it for their personal amusement, then we have a problem and must deal with it
[09:56] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli: I'll ignore it in the future.
[09:57] <ikonia> just stop trying to direct the channel,
[09:57] <ikonia> so that went in one ear and out the other
[09:57] <topyli> that's my guess
[09:57] <ikonia> he doesn't hear what he doesn't want to hear
[09:57] <ikonia> it's getting really old now, and it was uncalled for to Dr_Willis who was helping just fine
[09:58] <ikonia> topyli: apologies for the hilight - thoughtless
[09:58]  * jussi01 uses pipes all the time... ?? :confused:
[09:59] <ikonia> jussi01: dr_willis was helping a guy with an annoying nick name (special chars) he hit the bot 2 times in quick success to give the guy the info he asked for
[09:59] <topyli> ikonia, not at all, i might as well know that he's "helping us" again
[09:59] <ikonia> Spaceghost jumped on him telling him to use pipes and asking if he always randomly queried the bot
[09:59] <jussi01> oh meh
[09:59] <jussi01> anyone got a good chicken satay recipe?
[09:59] <ikonia> it wasn't random, it was good help, and Dr_Willis provides great help/attitude normally anyway, so it's not like he didn't know, the guy just had an awkward nick
[10:01] <gord> jussi01, put the chicken in the microwave, for about an hour. put it in tomato soup. put it under the gril, for about an hour. put it in the bin because its disgusting
[10:01] <ikonia> microwave ???
[10:01] <jussi01> gord: hahahahaah
[10:01] <bazhang> http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/3561/chicken+satay
[10:01] <ikonia> jussi01: jamie oliver online has one
[10:01] <ikonia> never used it but it looks ok
[10:01]  * persia wonders if chicken can withstand being in a microwave for about an hour
[10:02]  * ikonia doesn't want to find out
[10:02] <wgrant> Boom?
[10:02] <jussi01> lol
[10:02] <persia> Well, depends on microwave construction.  I think one either ends up with an explosion or little itty bitty diamonds.
[10:03] <persia> (the resulting diamonds are worth less than the electricity + amortisation on a sufficiently pressure-capable microwave for those seeking to try this at home)
[10:03] <jussi01> hehe
[10:03] <gord> to mythbusters!
[10:04] <jussi01> well I guess it depends on whether you put the microwave on high or defrost, no?
[10:04] <wgrant> High, defrost, or diamondify.
[10:05]  * jussi01 gives up and goes to eat peanut butter out of the jar...
[10:05] <persia> Just dip the chicken in, and call it "satay"
[10:05] <jussi01> lol
[10:05] <gord> finger' lick'n good.
[10:06] <jussi01> ok, so what I really need is a _basic_ satay recipe
[10:06] <persia> Take something dead.  marinate in satay sauce.  Burn slightly on an open flame.  Dip in peanut sauce.
[10:07] <jussi01> lol
[10:08] <jussi01> its sad. Ive peanut butter, peanuts, chicken, chilli, soy sauce and a few other bits n peices, but no good recipe for that...
[10:08] <jussi01> :D
[10:09] <jussi01> I think ill end up just whacking stuff in and hooping it tastses good.
[10:09] <topyli> jussi01, just try and get the chicken into an edible status. then call it satay. but not just any satay, but jussi01's special satay! "i bet you've never had one like this before"
[10:09] <persia> there are any number of good recipe-finding resources on the internet.  some links were previously posted.
[10:09] <jussi01> topyli: lol
[10:10] <jussi01> persia: too much complicated stuff on those :D
[10:10] <bazhang> ugh guadalinux kids
[10:14] <elky> one of the #debian ops was telling me earlier that they're getting a lot of the spanish kids over thataway too
[10:17] <topyli> i wonder how *that* happens
[10:33] <elky> I'm not sure it's the same as last year's livecd bug
[10:34] <elky> considering they're being autojoined to the correct network, it kinda rules it out
[10:39] <ikonia> elky: some guy started pm'ing about it last night
[10:39] <ikonia> someone donated a load of ubuntu pc's to some schools
[10:39] <elky> wasn't it a gov't rollout?
[10:40] <elky> to an entire spanish junta
[10:40] <ikonia> ah, maybe
[10:41] <elky> was it themill in #d-ot?
[10:41] <elky> he's who was talking to me about it earlier
[10:41] <ikonia> no katurn, or something like that
[10:41] <ikonia> katakah
[10:41] <ikonia> I'll check
[10:41] <elky> well, you can scroll up in #d-ot and see my conversation about it
[10:42] <ikonia> will do
[10:57] <ikonia> ubottu.com responding like a dog
[13:03] <ikonia> whois xy
[13:03] <ikonia> ok - xy and mewto are the same person with the bad quit message
[15:08] <tritium> Good morning.
[15:09] <jussi01> o/ topyli
[15:09] <jussi01> o/ tritium even
[15:09] <jussi01> tabfail
[15:10] <topyli> i like the attention, real or accidental!
[15:10] <tritium> Hi, jussi01 & topyli.
[15:11] <topyli> hi tritium
[15:30] <Tm_T> o/
[15:32] <knome> moi Tm_T
[15:36] <Tm_T> oh and I won't be much around, being whole week in spa resort/hotel or something that kind
[15:36] <knome> Tm_T, o.O
[15:37] <knome> Tm_T, is there lots of beer?
[15:37] <Tm_T> no, but lots of healthy workouts for my unemployed body
[15:37] <knome> lol, okay
[19:15] <jussi01> Reminder, IRCC meeting in 45 mins.
[19:16] <knome> :)
[22:31] <crashsystems> Is there someone in here on the IRC team who I can talk to briefly via PM?
[22:32] <persia> Does it need to be PM?
[22:32] <crashsystems> I'd prefer it to be, honestly.
[22:33] <persia> OK.  Just operators here, generally.  Is there a specific channel you want to talk about?  That might narrow down who you want to have a PM with.
[22:33] <crashsystems> yes, the #ubuntu-us-fl channel
[22:36] <persia> Hrm.  None of the operators for that channel are here, and that channel isn't controlled by Ubuntu IRC Council for some reason.  I think you want one of the folk listed at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council/+members
[22:36] <persia> (assuming this is a matter of escalation)
[22:36] <nhandler> crashsystems: I can talk with you if you want
[22:36] <crashsystems> nhandler: ok, thanks
[22:36] <nhandler> (and send you in the right direction if necessary)