[01:28]  * Takyoji tries to decide between ORM and MVC
[02:05] <Takyoji> Anyone testing Lucid still?
[02:05] <Obsidian1723> not I.
[02:06] <Obsidian1723> I may not upgrade to it.
[02:16] <Takyoji> If only I knew a little more of various development paradigms
[02:28] <ripps> I've been using Lucid since Alpha 1
[02:29] <kermit> tonyyarusso: did you see the TED video about open formats?
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> kermit: I don't think I did.
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I have Lucid on a VM and a laptop.
[02:32] <kermit> tonyyarusso: i don't know which one i saw, but these are related http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/tim_berners_lee_the_year_open_data_went_worldwide.html
[02:32] <Takyoji> Was just curious if anyone else was having the boot issue of a missing file or not; of which I've found the answer to
[02:35] <kermit> tonyyarusso: do you do a lot of data mining? that's probably my strongest skill.
[02:35] <kermit> (and i need a job)
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> kermit: nope
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> Right now for work I mostly do technical writing.
[02:37] <kermit> tonyyarusso:  oh, i recall you talking about data formats a few times (kml, the .ntr..)
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, those would be from random things I try to do in my personal life :P
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> The KML because I'm trying to put together a web site about hiking trails.
[03:24] <Adremelech> does anyone here use hdmi on their computer?
[03:24] <Adremelech> w/ audio?
[03:24]  * Takyoji doesn't
[03:27] <kermit> isn't HDMI a key step in turning your PC into a cable box?
[03:27] <kermit> end to end DRM
[03:27] <kermit> i get chills when i see the acronym
[03:28] <Takyoji> To my understanding, yes
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> That's true, but you can also use it for non-DRMd purposes.
[03:33] <Takyoji> HDMI is patent-encumbered while DisplayPort isn't, correct? Or?
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> No idea
[03:33]  * tonyyarusso is still using D-SUB VGA connections
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: while I have you here, what's the status of a release event for MN South?
[03:37] <Takyoji> I'm going to email some people right now about getting a location yet.
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> Same question goes out to jenkinbr, exigraff, ripps, and h00k for NE, mr_steve for Metro West.
[03:38] <kermit> Takyoji: i recall something making me like displayport a lot better, relating to IP
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: okay, keep us posted
[03:39] <kermit> HDMI has CEC and royalties, DisplayPort doestn
[03:40] <Adremelech> i could help out with metro west stuff, but i dont really have experience with such things
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> Adremelech: None needed.
[03:41] <Adremelech> what does it entail?
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> Adremelech: A release event can be just about anything, from a social event at a restaurant to someone's house to an all-day installfest with speakers and the whole works.
[03:42] <Adremelech> coolio
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> organizing such a thing included choosing an event type, date, time, setting up a location, announcing the details on the web site and mailing list, possibly distributing flyers if you can, etc.
[03:43] <tonyyarusso> But by far the biggest thing is just deciding you're going to do something and telling us what it is and when.
[03:43] <tonyyarusso> Friday/Saturday/Sunday immediately following release (which happens on Thursday) is most common.
[03:44] <Adremelech> well, if it is going o be an installfest, i could help installing, but with my limited schedule thats about it
[03:44] <Adremelech> 80-100 hour work weeks suck :|
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> last fall we had two in Minnesota.  One in St. Paul that was an installfest with a speaker from Canonical, and one that was actually in Superior, WI but drew from NE MN too that was a meetup for food & drinks at a restaurant.
[03:44] <Adremelech> well, 40-50 technically
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> It's the organizing that really needs work right now.
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> I want to see 5 or more events of some kind in the state for Lucid.
[03:46] <Adremelech> if someone could come up with some fliers, i could put them out on the counter at my work
[03:46] <Adremelech> i get a fair amount of technology oriented people in my store
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> If we get the date, time, & location decided within the next couple of weeks we can get flyers printed free.  But you have to organize the details to put on the flyers first.
[03:47] <Adremelech> indeed
[03:51] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: What's the release date?
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> !lucid
[03:52] <ubot3> Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> gah, darn your database lag ubot3.
[03:53] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: So we don't have an actual date yet?
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> Of course we do - it was set ages ago.
[03:53] <sparklehistory> Ah, April 29
[03:55] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: So we'd be looking at April 30 and May 1 and 2 for release party dates then?
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: as the ones that make the most sense, but that's not required.
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> it can be June 19th if you want.
[03:56] <sparklehistory> lol
[03:56] <sparklehistory> Well that weekend is going to suck for me - exams start Monday, May 3.
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> So study now instead of cramming.
[04:00] <sparklehistory> Yeah, that always works better in theory than in practice
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> The same can be said of cramming.
[04:02] <sparklehistory> Frankly I prefer a mixture of both, I like to do my outlining and preparing study materials a few weeks before exams but it's important to review everything right before as well so it's fresh in my mind.
[04:02] <Takyoji> I just learn it all once. :D
[04:03] <Takyoji> of course, I'm merely in high school. :P
[04:11] <sparklehistory> That's less practical when you have one exam that counts for 100% of your grade.
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> but normal people don't have those.
[04:12] <sparklehistory> But I do and therefore I have to studing accordingly.
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> But you don't get to complain :)
[04:12] <sparklehistory> Why not?
[04:13] <tonyyarusso> because you're the one that chose to go to crazy school.
[04:15] <sparklehistory> Fine, then you don't get to complain about the idiots in your classes because you chose to go to your school.
[04:18] <kermit> which schools do you two go to?
[04:18] <Takyoji> Heh: http://www.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.goto.php
[04:18] <Takyoji> Apparently some complimentary xkcd comics in the PHP documentation. :P
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> Metro State
[04:21] <sparklehistory> I'm in law school.
[04:23] <kermit> how generic of a name for a school
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> Lucid's been kind of disappointing as a development release cycle so far - I haven't had it become unbootable ONCE!
[04:30] <Takyoji> Today is my first day for such. :P
[04:30] <Takyoji> Due to a file being renamed; and I had updated between the change of the file name, and tweaking the files that depend on it.