[10:45] <ia> hello. I have a question about integration app (PyGTK + appindicator module) into AppIndicator applet, so I will be very appreciate for any clues: could anyone tell me, please, how to "append"/"attach" (is it possible itself?) some text right next to some appindicator's icon?
[10:54] <qense> ia: that's not possible, it would be against the design document
[10:55] <ia> qense: ok, thanks for the answer.
[10:55] <qense> you're welcome
[13:47] <dashua> vish, Is the Banshee monochrome icon working for you?
[13:50] <qense> dashua: iirc Banshee has to use AppIndicator in order to use the monochrome icon.
[13:51] <qense> dashua: I've written a patch for that, but it's not accepted yet.
[13:53] <dashua> I'm using it now from git
[13:53] <dashua> It's awesome.
[13:54] <qense> dashua: What do you mean? Is there an AppIndicator in GIT already?
[13:55] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/46973/screenshot_1_dg7n5E.png
[13:55] <dashua> Just have to set the flag
[13:55] <dashua> --enable-appindicator
[13:55] <qense> dashua: Since when is that?
[13:56] <dashua> The icon is not monochrome
[13:56] <qense> dashua: I know, I wrote the darn patch. :P But I wasn't told that the patch was included.
[13:56] <dashua> HA
[13:56] <dashua> I guess it is ;)
[13:56] <dashua> Works great.
[13:56] <qense> jcastro!
[13:57] <dashua> The only reason I was still using RB waiting fro the AppIndicator.
[13:58] <qense> dashua: Are you sure you're using the plain git master? I can't find a recent commit of that patch.
[14:00] <dashua> Yeah
[14:00] <qense> I can't find it anywhere in the code as well.
[14:00] <dashua> I can't find it either.
[14:00] <qense> dashua: Where did you get the code from?
[14:00] <qense> git://git.gnome.org/banshee ?
[14:00] <dashua> yeah
[14:01] <dashua> 1.6 RC1
[14:01] <qense> and you didn't apply any patch?
[14:01] <qense> I don't see any RC tag as well.
[14:02] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/46974/screenshot_031_iNIKC6.png
[14:02] <dashua> I don't think I applied any patches
[14:03] <qense> If you've got an AppIndicator you must have. I wouldn't know how you could have got the Application Indicator otherwise.
[14:03] <dashua> Not sure, but I love it ::)
[14:03] <qense> :)
[14:04] <dashua> qense, I think I may have tried the 1.5.3 patch, but it did not pass.
[14:05] <dashua> I guess it did.
[14:05] <qense> it must have
[14:05] <qense> dashua: I'll take a quick look at the code to see how the icon name is selected.
[14:05] <dashua> I thought it was in master
[14:05] <qense> It's most certainly not.
[14:06] <dashua> Yeah, I see that.
[14:07] <dashua> Humanity has it as banshee-panel
[14:15] <vish> dashua: the icon is there , banshee needs to use it
[14:17] <qense> vish: The icon name of Banshee is "media-player-banshee".
[14:17] <qense> vish: That means that AppInd doesn't try 'banshee-panel', but 'media-player-banshee-panel', which doesn't exist.
[14:17] <qense> vish: Would you mind renaming the icon?
[14:22] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/46977/screenshot_1_Lu44XX.png
[14:22] <dashua> There we go
[14:23] <dashua> media-player-banshee-panel
[14:23] <dashua> That worked
[14:23] <qense> good
[14:23] <dashua> Thx
[14:23] <qense> dashua: I assume the large amount of spacing between your menu items is your theme?
[14:26] <dashua> They all seems to have the same spacing.
[14:26] <dashua> seem*
[14:27] <qense> ok
[14:28] <vish> qense: ok , np.. i'll do it with the next update , since there was no mention on the bug report from the banshee devs ,i just used the same name as other apps
[14:28] <qense> vish: It's a bit strange indeed, something they could have told you about.
[14:28] <qense> maybe they assumed you'd look in the code for the name they use ;)
[14:29] <vish> yeah , i forgot to check the bug before pushing the change :(
[14:29] <dashua> vish, Do you need a bug?
[14:29] <vish> dashua: that would be nice
[14:29] <dashua> vish, Ok np.
[14:38] <tgpraveen12> qense: u are doing the app indicator for banshee right 
[14:38] <tgpraveen12> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/46977/screenshot_1_Lu44XX.png according
[14:38] <tgpraveen12> to that is show notification option really needed
[14:38] <tgpraveen12> one would hardly ever change that option.
[14:42] <qense> tgpraveen12: That option was added by the Banshee developers.
[14:42] <qense> tgpraveen12: I'm reusing the same context menu that's used for the regular status icon.
[14:45] <kklimonda> heh, this menu is a perfect just why we should write indicators from scratch :/
[14:46] <tgpraveen12> qense: i would still suggest not having that option. maybe someone else should also comment on this.
[14:46] <tgpraveen12> i dont think there is any reason to resuse the same options as that of the regular status icon
[14:46] <tgpraveen12> app indicators were supposed to be about fixing things. just my 2 cents
[14:47] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: I agree, there is no reason to enable/disable notifications from indicator
[14:47] <qense> tgpraveen12, kklimonda: In that case I would file a bug against Banshee on GNOME Bugzilla with a request for removing that option from the status icon menu.
[14:47] <qense> Or do you think it is suitable in the regular context menu?
[14:48] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: heh, that's my point - if we are just reusing old interface and then make it even worse (by removing right click, tooltips etc.) then there is no reason to do that at all - we'll just piss users :/
[14:49] <kklimonda> qense: my opinion is that the only place this setting should be at is preferences menu - and only if we really have to make it a setting. I'm pretty sure that the only reason why is it configurable is that there is no do-not-disturb mode for notifications.
[14:49] <qense> ok
[14:50] <qense> I agree with that, but I didn't want to edit the context menu without prior consent.
[14:51] <qense> kklimonda, tgpraveen12: However, the whole project is frozen now they've already released the first release candidate for 1.6.0.
[14:52] <qense> I'm even sure whether the AppInd patch will be accepted before the release.
[14:55] <tgpraveen12> qense: so its not going to be in lucid?
[14:55] <qense> tgpraveen12: I've attached a patch to the Launchpad bug report that's suitable for applying to the Debian -- we sync Banshee -- package with quilt.
[14:56] <qense> It's up to others whether an exception will be granted for this patch.
[14:58] <kklimonda> qense: do you know what is the future of appindicator? is it going to migrate to GtkAction and then be accepted by GTK+ guys or is it going to live as a Canonical-only "feature"?
[14:59] <qense> kklimonda: Things similar to the whole Notify OSD and Indicators family are demonstrated in the GNOME Shell mock-ups, so I assume at the very least we'll see an implementation of something similar to the AppInd in GNOME.
[16:20] <kitallis> anyone mind looking at this : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-soc/2010-March/000047.html :)
[16:26] <qense> kitallis: I'm afraid you're in the wrong IRC channel for that.
[16:27] <qense> kitallis: I'd try #ubuntu-gsoc
[16:27] <kitallis> qense, try a /whois
[16:27] <qense> ?
[16:28] <kitallis> i've already discussed it over there.
[16:28] <qense> They told you to discuss it here?
[16:28] <kitallis> i was hoping to find someone interested, here.
[16:28] <qense> Ah, in that case I'd advise you to come back on a working day when there are more people.
[16:28] <kitallis> oh. alright.
[16:33] <qense> kitallis: Mirco Müller, MacSlow on IRC, is leading the development of NotifyOSD a bit. You might want to talk to him.
[19:05] <kklimonda> what if upstream developers decide against "fixing" their applications to follow our new Units Policy? Should we patch them and take the beating?