[00:06] i cant see "extract here" on my dolphin menus, what am i missing? === Guest70831 is now known as xrandr [00:11] hi guys, anyone here install Pioneers? [00:12] I'm curious why it wants to install so many packages [00:14] everytime i get a notification in the bottom corner, like when a message comes in, i get it popping up 3 times, everytime [00:14] anyone else seen that? [00:14] I don't use it tamran [00:14] Hello everyone [00:14] allo santosh [00:15] I am having problems editing a file, due to user rights, how can I get all right, I do know the pass for root [00:15] thesteo82.... yes and no, I get notifications, no 3 times per each, then again, when I've used kde WM, I don't use the WM, I use another :) [00:15] or is there a way to get rights to edit the file [00:15] santosh: sudo kate; open it there :) [00:16] santosh: kdesudo atcually [00:17] gksudo either [00:17] Typos_King: you should not use sudo for graphical applications [00:17] santosh# kdesudo kate [00:17] No protocol specified [00:17] kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0 [00:17] robin0800: ... anything wrong? [00:17] Typos_King: thats the error i git [00:17] got [00:17] I mean... I have, haven't broken anything yet [00:18] Typos_King: Yes aparently it can mess up permissions [00:19] robin0800: hasn't for me... and I use Geany rooted for say, editing some files in /etc [00:19] in fact, I just checked one I did, the permisions are fine [00:20] santosh then try the kdesudo kate; -> /usr/bin/kdesudo kate [00:20] erk [00:20] one sec [00:20] santosh is -> kdesu kate; [00:21] gksudo is probably there too, if you wish to use it [00:21] Typos_King: http://linux.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=linux&cdn=compute&tm=31&f=00&su=p284.9.336.ip_p504.1.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=1&zu=https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [00:25] robin0800: they make a 'poor' sale on the 'advantages' section, since all that's enforcable on a 'root' or regular account [00:25] I mean, I had a root on SuSE10, and never had any issues, and quit often I 'su root' did what needed, and got out === winston is now known as Guest22425 [00:27] I'm guessing there might be some unforeseen good reason, I think my book gave one..... can't recall, but I didn't find it that great of an 'advantage' [00:27] ok, here's something annoying [00:28] I compile pioneers on another machine, then made a package and installed it on this machine fine. If I try to install the same version in the repos, it wants to install 59 other packages (57 of which are not pioneers related). I've played with it and it works just fine [00:28] am I going to have to do this with every (tiny) gnome app I install in order to avoice bloat? === xrandr_laptop is now known as Guest33903 [00:31] heh [00:31] tamran: those are called 'dependencies' :P [00:32] the difference between compiling one whole .rpm or .deb package, is that the one package will be say, 10mbs in one file, the 'tiny' ones are separated packaged dependencies which are brought up by packages who need it [00:33] and most likely the bunch of 'tiny' ones amount to about the same 10mbs as the big one [00:34] tamran: when installing a package, the package manager checks what it needs, what's already installed, and substract what's installed and only 'fetches' what's not already installed off the list [00:40] Typos_King: after checking it was trying to install way more than it needs ... [00:40] it was trying to install half of gnome [00:40] tamran: sounds like it's a gnome app, thus it'd need gnome libs, so [00:40] that's understandable === aperson is now known as APERSON [00:41] but I installed the 1mb package and the program works fine ... I suspect the "requirements" are being over generalized [00:41] perhaps I'll have a problem someday with it, not sure ... but on 9.10 it didn't need any of that stuff [00:42] perhaps this is a lucid questino [00:42] so I'll ask there [00:42] I would like to edit copy paste with ssh Tectia Windows Client. I am now in root@hostname. I would like to give myself permissions to edit anything I need for Apache2. What is the chown or chmod command for that? [00:43] ahh lucid [00:43] is in alpha3 afaik......soooo [00:44] maybe is a newer version of the app, who knows [00:45] Ok i need some serious help... [00:45] Curly_Q: what's Apache2? [00:46] The latest Kubuntu Apache2. [00:47] I cant seem to dual boot windows 7 or even reformat or use my factory recovery- I have also tried other boot disks for various forms of windows, I get a file system error... [00:47] Curly_Q: soooooo, what do you need? [00:48] how does one add a launcher to the panel? I have a program that doesn't have an icon [00:48] Just to ssh and delete anything in this directory and be able to add new sub directories: /usr/share/apache2/default-site/index.html [00:49] tamran: drag n drop, the icon off the menu [00:49] well, it's for a special application (using screen and some other commands to a script) [00:49] so I want to add a "special" command [00:50] Curly_Q: I'm assuming you have permissions to it.... I'd think in SSH it'd the same as in bash -> rm -fr /usr/share/apache2/ [00:50] well [00:50] Maybe edit the .hpasswrd file and a few other things pertaining to a web page. Also in the future to add an ircd daemon. [00:50] yeah [00:50] hey [00:51] tamran: make it a script and call it from the shortcut :) [00:51] Typos_King: ok, so just add any apps icon like normal and then just modify it? [00:51] I am in root so I don't see why I cannot just copy and paste or delete rwx into it. [00:52] tamran: yeah, that works too, you can edit it [00:52] I did a sudo -i and have root@hostname [00:53] When copying and pasting or deleting, access is denied. [00:53] then I guess you don't have permissions to it [00:53] or your'e not root'ed, who knows [00:54] How would I give myself permissions for that? [00:54] I cant seem to dual boot windows 7 or even reformat or use my factory recovery- I have also tried other boot disks for various forms of windows, I get a file system error...can anyonwe help me figure out why? [00:55] I just installed Kubuntu. It started me off with one password entry and not like old Red Hat where it asked for root password and /usr password. [00:56] faultline: well, what's specifically happening, other than the fact it isn't dual booting [00:56] I did the login with the only usr and did a sudo into root and got usr@hostname not with sudo -i it is root@hostname. [00:56] Curly_Q: once in an SSH session logged into a remote box, the permissions that apply are the ones granted/set on the remote box to the logged in account [00:57] It wont dual boot, I cant reformat the drive, i cant use my factory recovery disk to bring back windows (I cant make wine work) and no one can tell me what the hell to do -.- [00:58] why cant you format the drive and install an os? [00:58] faultline: well, what's specifically happening, other than the fact it isn't dual booting [00:58] Error 1005. [00:59] faultline: we got that part that it doesn't boot, but that doesn't tell us how it happens [00:59] And.... [00:59] Ok, i put in the disk. It starts up, gets to 'partion confirmation' and gives me error 1005 [01:00] sooooooo [01:00] it never installed kubuntu? [01:00] 9.1? 8.x? [01:00] ...Im on kubuntu. 9.1. Windows wont load at all so I can at least dual boot, and the only thing other then that that I have is my factory recovery disk [01:00] Which won't even work, nothign really does since I switched to kubuntu... [01:01] faultline: is there a windows entry in the grub menu? [01:02] I don't know man :/ [01:02] Im completely lost in this linuxy world. [01:02] faultline: so what are you doing to try booting windows?? [01:03] Faultline, I can tell you what I did for that problem. I had to first use an old Windows98 boot disk with SMART on it. Then in the command prompt, run smart.exe twice with CD support. Use fdisk and delete the partitions first. Make sure you set the BIOS settings to see your other hard drive if there is one. Make sure when you use the fdisk use the command fdisk/mbr. Then you can delete with fdisk all of the partitions and create a lo [01:04] it should look something like this, with linux entries and an entry at the bottom for windows: http://www.davestechsupport.com/blog/images/grub.png [01:04] faultline you tried loading your cd/dvd rom first with the windows cd in it? [01:05] Then format the windows partition with Windows and install Windows there. With the second logical partition, use Linux. [01:06] best bet is to killdisk your hd and make your cdr/dvdr boot first with the windows/recovery cd in it [01:09] Faultline, the only thing to remember is that when Windows installs such as XP it will create a second partition for its OS. [01:09] What I am attemptign to do is go back to windows because I cant make WinE work with Requiem: Memento Mori -OR- City of Heroes/Villains EVEN THOUGH I am following directions as told on the site :/ [01:13] Faultline, one more Tech Tip is that once you install especially Windows, use a software such as Acronis which will back not only your data but it will back all of the sectors and partitions as well. When Windows does crash or gets a virus and it will, you can put right back on your hard drive a mirror image of your stuff. Always backup before installing anything. [01:14] Start brand new and back up all of your data first. Make sure you slave your hard drive to recover any valuable data first. === xrandr is now known as Guest20031 [01:16] Hi, all.....I'm having some problems with my kde install.....Fresh install, yet, it has continuous issues with both shutting down and restart. Often it will simply count down, the music will almost play, and thats it. I have to use the poweer button to get it to shut down. ANy ideas or suggestions? [01:16] 8.x? 7.x? [01:17] 9.10 [01:18] I dont know which versio of KDE....WHichever one is installed with the kubuntu-desktop. [01:18] right [01:18] well [01:18] is nothing new [01:19] just the drivers I gather === boesmans is now known as boessleep [01:20] nn all :w [01:20] Thats not really helping me solve it. =) [01:20] Night, boessleep [01:20] sherman_: so it's never shut down or restarted properly, ever? [01:21] heheh [01:21] mefisto__: It has a few times, but not very often. [01:21] sherman_: can you log out and get back to the login screen (kdm)? [01:22] I hadnt tried that.....JUst restart and shutdown [01:22] heheh [01:22] Gimme a few minutes and I'll see. [01:22] sherman_: because it sounds like it's logging out properly, which happens before shutdown [01:23] *not* logging out [01:26] Nope, not logging out properly either, mefisto__. I had to shutdown via power button again. [01:28] did you apt-get upgrade after the fresh install? [01:28] mefisto__: ll logout did was partially terminate some process'. [01:28] smokealot: I didnt know I needed to......Leme try it. [01:29] smokealot: Said nothing needed upgrading. [01:29] i had the same problem a while back i did an entire system upgrade and it worked fine just after [01:29] smokealot: same here [01:30] smokealot: I also smoke quite a bit :) [01:30] I started with a basic gnome install, did the updates, then installed kubuntu-desktop.... [01:31] i smoke 3 packs a day almost :/ [01:31] plus my marryjane [01:31] mr smokestoomuch [01:32] Open up a Terminal and just type: halt <-------< Computer will shut down. [01:32] Been having this problem since then. Tried kpackagemanager, said my system was uptodate... [01:32] Curly_Q: Not an option. [01:32] Command line and then halt [01:33] sherman your using gdm? [01:33] Curly_Q: command line is not an option. This is non-negotiable. [01:33] ... I usually do -> sudo poweroff [01:33] smokealot: Yes, gdm [01:34] sudo shutdown now, or sudo reboot would be better. [01:34] you should try using kdm instead of gdm [01:36] OK, so we can quit with the advice of using command line shutdowns, this system is not mine, its for a windows user, and the gui functions need to work. This is also the first time I have ever run into this problem. [01:37] Thats why I am here looking for advice on it. =) [01:38] sherman: kdm instead of gdm, as smokealot said [01:39] Yes, I switched when I installed kde in the first place. Sorry, I misread earlier. [01:40] I'm experiencing a strange matter with grub: Everytime I do a kernel upgrade, the kernel gets installed, but menu.lst is never updated with the new kernel entry after the new update/install process. I always end up editing menu.lst manually. This works, but is rather vexing, considering that it should do it automatically. [01:40] update-grub [01:41] smokealot: Well, that thing is, as the new packages are being updated, that particular part is run automatically when it installs. I reboot the system for such upgrades, anyway, but when I get the new boot menu, the new kernel entry is never there. It just started doing this. [01:42] smokealot: I'm just wondering if it's a grub-vs-grub2 something or other. I use grub not grub 2 [01:44] do you install the kernel with dpkg ? [01:44] Any other ideas on where the issues might be? [01:44] sherman: is this a laptop? [01:44] mefisto__: Yes. [01:45] An older Toshiba. [01:45] sherman: and I assume it has wireless? can you switch wireless off on the laptop? [01:45] ahh yes [01:46] Hmmm [01:46] I guess I can...... [01:47] sherman if nothing els works, remove both kde/gnome gdm/kdm and install just one ): [01:48] OK, switching it off via the external switch kinda fails.... [01:51] ifconfig wlan0 down before shutting down will turn it off. if shutdown is normal after that, you can insert that command in a shutdown script so the wireless doesn't get in the way of the shutdown process === choWL is now known as choZWL === choZWL is now known as choZWL093858 [01:52] Thanks, mefisto__, lemme see if that helps any. [01:54] sherman: that's assuming the wireless device name is wlan. it usually is, but not always [01:55] This is seriously annoying me [01:55] My pc was fine at doin crap until I installed Kubuntu 9.1 and now I cannot reformat my drive at all because of some stupid file system error that never existed before... [01:56] faultline: filesystem error? [01:56] Yaeh. 1005 or whatnot. Not my disk, its in perfect condition. [01:56] Im usin my factory restore [01:56] what's reporting that [01:56] factory restore? [01:56] And it won't restore because of file system error [01:56] YEah [01:57] you're blaming linux/kubuntu for problems in your OEMs factory restore software? [01:57] Give me a good reason it randomly have that error? [01:57] faultline format your hd with killdisk [01:57] reinstall windows [01:58] faultline: the software is buggy/has problems? [01:58] faultline: are you sure windows won't boot? [01:58] Yes [01:58] im sure it wont boot. [01:58] Or I wouldnt be here lol, Ive been tryin to boot or restore since 8am today [01:58] thats 12 hours [01:59] o.o [01:59] faultline: because I asked earlier if you have a windows entry in the grub menu, and you said "I don't know" [02:01] speaking of grub. I find it a bit annoying that I see like 8 different linux kernels i can choose from. Is there a way to make it default to say like maybe 2 or 3? [02:01] faultline some windows recovery cds will not install over linux [02:01] format your hard drive [02:02] thats all [02:02] faultline: do you have any windows install disks? XP, win98, anything? [02:02] Brhad56: yeah... that is annoying [02:02] Brhad56: AFAIK the only way is to remove older kernels [02:02] Brhad56: you could uninstall the kernels you don't need [02:04] mefisto__: is there a front-end to doing so? I normally use Adept [02:06] Brhad56: adept should work. search for "linux-image" and remove the kernels you don't want [02:07] Brhad56: eg, linux-image-2.6.31-16-generic and so on [02:07] mefisto__: adept isn't smart enough, i guess [02:09] Brhad56: why not? what's wrong? [02:10] mefisto__: nothing returns when searching for linux-image. when searching for just "linux" nothing looks close enough [02:12] !fglrx [02:13] !fglrx [02:13] Brhad56: you get just an empty list? is the filled-in square icon (show installed packages) dimmed out? [02:13] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [02:13] Hmmmmm....OK, where do I find ifconfig? [02:14] Brhad56: should look like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/Dp4jVU.html [02:14] Daughain: open konsole and type it [02:15] bonjour qui peux me dire comment mettre mon bureau en 3d sur kubuntu [02:20] mefisto__: OK, shutting down wireless doesnt help on the shutdown or reboot.... [02:22] p [02:23] boa noite pessoal [02:25] хуй [02:26] вы все говно [02:27] проснулись, быстро [02:27] hello [02:28] hi? all [02:28] Aye. [02:28] good night people! [02:28] бля, ну хоть кто-то ответил [02:29] 233 people and all stupid [02:29] 234 [02:30] =)))))))))))))))))))0 [02:30] maybe we cant understand what your saying [02:30] maybe some of us dont understand "frank____> бля, ну хоть кто-то ответил" [02:30] yes, because i,m russian [02:31] ЫЫЫЫЫЫЫЫ [02:31] how does grub differ from grub2? [02:31] "stupid" is the person that didn't read the channel's guidelines about it being English-only [02:31] Firefishe: grub is old; grub2 is new [02:31] boy someone really screwed up lucid updates [02:31] that's the one line summary [02:31] fuck yourself xjjk [02:31] lol [02:31] cant even get a console login prompt or kdm [02:31] )))) [02:31] Intelligent response there. [02:31] that's on the guidelines as well [02:32] xjjk: Umm....ya! ;) I know that, silly, I'm referring to the *operational characteristics* of course. [02:32] don't be mad it's your fault for not reading the topic frank [02:32] Firefishe: well, they're both boot loaders... [02:32] ask your question in english someone might be able to help [02:32] Firefishe: mostly, the difference is engineering/political [02:32] Firefishe: grub-legacy is no longer maintained [02:32] grub2 is everyone's love child that's getting active development, new features, etc [02:32] anyone in here possible help recover from last nights lucid updates [02:33] grub-legacy has more documentation; grub2's documentation is lacking [02:33] Zadrobl [02:33] grub2 also has a nice number of bugs [02:33] as well as some new features (CD image booting, etc) [02:34] xjjk: Ok, let me put this another way. I recently updated to 9.10 from 9.04. During the upgrade, it failed. I had to finish it off using a combination of multiple instances of `sudo apt-get upgrade' and `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'; I continued this until I was certain that my system was, indeed, 9.10 and not a 9.04 'frankensystem.' [02:34] Firefishe: er, so you were using apt-get to upgrade? [02:35] anyone compared ubuntu to kubuntu? [02:35] not sure which one i want [02:35] bigtom21485: everyone in here is going to tell you Kubuntu [02:35] lol [02:36] i think Kubuntu is better [02:36] bigtom21485: Defone compare/ =) [02:36] because i like kde better (: [02:36] xjjk: Not intially. I was using the standard update manager, but the upgrade failed in mid-stream. I had no choice but to use the aformentioned methods. Yesterday, I had the pleasure of assisting, locally, a gentleman with a new install of 9.10. He had it on some type of Dell laptop, and I was intrigued to see that grub2 was--probably--installed by default. [02:36] you can have both desktops in at the same time ;) [02:36] Firefishe: grub2 is installed by default in 9.04 afaik [02:36] smokealot: yeah but not after lucid updates last night, its time for a new distro [02:37] Firefishe: using apt-get is the source of it's own problems... it's not supported at all for upgrading between releases [02:37] lock me out of my laptop oonce and youll be deleted [02:37] OutBackDingo: whats wrong? [02:37] lucid updates from last night, no longer get a console login or kdm [02:38] Firefishe: it was made default because grub2 supports ext4, which I think ubuntu wants to transition to as the default [02:38] the old grub also gets little/no updates [02:38] just freezes at the damn splash screen [02:38] xjjk: Still, it is the defacto 'standard' of debian-distro-based, command line package management, and considering that one *must* use dpkg, itself, for installing certain stand-alone .deb's, why apt-get wouldn't continue to be supported is beyond me. This *is* gnu/linux, after all. [02:38] OutBackDingo: have you figured out where it's freezing? [02:38] OutBackDingo: you shouldn't be using lucid if you don't know how to diagnose/debug these problems, BTW [02:38] xjjk: cant do anything, cany escape from the splash screen at all [02:39] Firefishe: well, it doesn't matter... it's not supported [02:39] OutBackDingo: on the grub command line remove "quiet" and add "nosplash" [02:39] xjjk: yeah nice comment, ive been running linux since 0.96 [02:39] ...so you should know better than use development releases [02:39] xjjk: Well, not officially, but the *community* is what I'm interested in, not so much commercial establishement (which is why I'm here, and not talking to Canonical, as-it-were.) [02:40] Firefishe: well, my experience is that it works so unreliably, I just don't use it [02:40] xjjk: right, im a developer, jeez im not an idiot, just asked for information [02:41] OK, still no luck on the shutdown/reboot issue......Any other ideas? [02:41] OutBackDingo: I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but don't expect much of a warm welcome when you're threating to change distros [02:41] especially when the fault is essentially yours for using a development distribution and not knowing how to fix it [02:41] Firefishe: er, so, how does this relate to your grub question again? [02:41] OutBackDingo: What version are you using? [02:41] xjjk: well it kinda threw me since i had important data i needed today, and it is the first time ive ever gotten locked out completely [02:42] OutBackDingo: did you get any useful information from booting without the splash/non-quiet mode [02:42] xjjk: I wanted to know why, when I upgrade my kernel image, that the new kernel never appears in the /boot/grub/menu.lst after the install/reboot process. [02:42] xjjk: nope in windows now have to reboot to check it [02:42] brb [02:42] Firefishe: /boot/grub/menu.lst is not used anymore [02:43] Firefishe: check /boot/grub/grub.cfg [02:43] I can see the update-grub command being run, but it doesn't seem to do anything. [02:43] Firefishe: also, don't edit that file directly... configuration is controlled by /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub [02:44] xjjk: Unfortunately, I've had to edit menu.lst manually, carefully copying the previous entries, save for the new kernel parameters. All the files are there, it just won't do it using update-grub. [02:44] Firefishe: are you using grub1 or grub2 as your bootloader? [02:44] xjjk: I'm not using grub1. [02:44] nix that [02:44] I'm *using* grub1, not grub2. [02:44] Firefishe: ah [02:44] Firefishe: remove grub2 [02:44] it's not installed [02:44] and reinstall grub-legacy (that's the new package name) [02:46] xjjk: I've got synaptic up, and it's not grub-legacy on my system, just grub. [02:46] Firefishe: what version are you using? grub should be a transitional package that installs grub-legacy [02:47] version of kubuntu? [02:47] Firefishe: probably, I'd purge all installed versions of grub (and backup/remove your config files) [02:47] and then reinstall what you want [02:47] wb obd [02:47] Firefishe: er, nevermind.. it's grub-legacy in Debian, not Ubuntu [02:47] "grub" is grub1 [02:47] xjjk: ah, I see [02:47] xjjk: hrmmm seems removing them i now get into kdm [02:48] wonder if the spalsh os broken [02:48] OutBackDingo: maybe something buggy with the splash [02:48] OutBackDingo: you should try to diagnose that... [02:48] I've already tried grub2, and it seemed to work okay. I just didn't know where the new menu entry file was. What did you say it was again? /boot/grub/grub.cfg? [02:48] Firefishe: yes [02:48] is `update-grub' still the command used to update it? [02:49] yes [02:49] technically update-grub2 [02:49] xjjk: Thank you, that clarifies a lot of things. [02:49] ah...makes sense [02:49] update-grub will symlink to update-grub2 if grub2 is your default; else it'll be the grub1 updater [02:49] which is probably what's wrong [02:49] you're using grub1 but update-grub is updating grub2 config files only because it thinks you're using that, not grub1 [02:50] ah...I see. [02:50] Now, one thing I noticed: During the grub2 installation sequence, it asked me--and I set it up subsequently--to chainload grub2 from the grub1 menu structure. Should I just avoid this and install grub2 as the default boot loader? [02:51] the chainloading thing is a check to make sure grub2 actually works [02:51] which you may want todo [02:51] I see... [02:51] it'll load grub1; from there you can select to load grub2; from there it boots the OS [02:51] xjjk: If it works, then what is the process to make it the default bootloader, and remove grub1's stuff? [02:52] Firefishe: I'm not sure... but purging all packages and then installing only what you want should do it [02:52] I *can* edit menu.lst indefinitely if need be, but whyyyyyy ;)? === tamran_ is now known as tamran [02:52] xjjk: purging via the command line, as in: sudo apt-get remove filename --purge ?? [02:53] Firefishe: I really would use aptitude instead of apt-get directly [02:53] xjjk: aptitude's commands puzzle me. I'm familiar with apt-get. [02:53] Firefishe: well, up to you [02:53] xjjk: I'll do a manpage lookup [02:53] I don't like using apt-get directly, it's a little opaque [02:53] does anyone know how to find out what exactly python is running? [02:54] it's easy to do things that will screw up things [02:54] xjjk: aptitude's been apt-get's replacement for some time now. It's about time I figured it out, anyway. [02:54] Firefishe: it's not a replacement [02:54] right now, python is using over 30mb of ram, and I wanted to just see what it's doing [02:54] apt-get is supposed to be a low-level tool [02:54] aptitude is a high-level tool [02:54] xjjk: Well, dpkg is really low-level, but I still use it to install some .deb's I may need, now and again. [02:55] xjjk: I'm really quite careful. [02:55] yes, dpkg is even lower level than apt-get [02:55] xjjk: but sometimes it is the right tool for the job-at-hand. I don't use it often, as most of the stock stuff works fine. [02:56] I work with some weird things now and again, however, and sometimes I just need certain files. If there's a suitable .deb, I use it, if not, compile it, etc. [02:56] Any idea what would cause Leave/Shutdown or reboot to fail?? [02:56] xjjk: I do try to keep the weird stuff separate from the mainstream libraries, if at all possible. Just good practice, imho. [03:02] brb [03:03] can anyone name a decent (preferably light weight) torrent client for kde other than ktorrent or transmission? [03:03] preferably something that works with magnet links [03:05] tamran: did you want a GUI? [03:05] I'd recommend transmission honestly [03:05] xjjk: preferably, yeah [03:05] xjjk: I could do one inside I screen session I guess [03:06] rtorrent? [03:06] thanks xjjk, looking now [03:06] ahh, it's ncurses [03:07] this could work [03:07] tamran: what did you not like about transmission === mike is now known as Guest23331 [03:07] xjjk: I like it, but two issues in KDE [03:07] 1) magnet links don't work (I think that's more a kde setup thing because out of the box it works in gnome) [03:08] 2) it has no setting (in qt version) to make it sit in my status bar on the panel [03:08] tamran: I see... seem like GUI issues [03:08] two not so small things, but I keep closing it fully by accident, when I really just want to minimize it (force of habbit) [03:08] I don't regularly use the GUI myself [03:08] I use the command-line interface [03:09] no problem [03:09] I'm in irssi so I know what you mean [03:09] well, transmission-remote (the command-line client) isn't interactive [03:09] i.e. no ncurses or anything [03:10] hi [03:10] when will kde 4.4 be part of kubuntu? [03:10] in the next release [03:10] Matisse: you can get it with 9.10 if you want it [03:11] Matisse: check the news feed in the kubuntu page and they say how to get it with 9.10 [03:11] Matisse: there'll be a few "bumps" when you do it that way though, but are easily fixable [03:11] ok, ill have a look [03:12] thx [03:12] np, good luck [03:12] Any ideas about why I cant reboot this system via the gui? [03:13] sherman: did you just do a heavy upgrade? I had that problem earlier today [03:14] I did a fresh install, not an upgrade.. [03:14] oh [03:14] did you update after? [03:14] when I did a load of kde updates I was not able to reboot with the button [03:15]