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jtxalso the idea of running jack in realtime, since when running fruity loops in wine using the wineasio dll it wont work since that doesnt run in realtime00:01
frandieguezHi all! I've installed Lucid at my Macbook 1,1. All works fine but when I plug in my headphones at audio output the sound doesn't work... Do you have a little idea or solution for this? Thanks00:04
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jtxjackd is running in realtime even if u tell in qjack to dont00:12
olmariHello, pretty major issue with dualscreen + compiz + lucid00:16
olmariScreenshot: http://koti.mbnet.fi/jaarli/kuvat/dualscreen.png00:16
penguin42olmari: Most likely a graphics driver bug - which graphics card?00:17
olmaripenguin42: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2] (rev 80), ibm t42p laptop00:17
penguin42olmari: Are you running with the frglx or the open source drivers?00:18
olmaripenguin42: with no compiz it works fine00:18
olmaripenguin42: OSS00:18
penguin42olmari: Report the bug00:18
olmaripenguin42: would compiz need more GPU memory? if that would make this kind of issue, toigh it would be bug as allowing to do this =)00:19
penguin42compiz really uses all the 3d features of the card, without it its mostly 2d which is a LOT easier00:20
olmaripenguin42: will apport-gtk suffice?00:23
mikeconcepts_network browse cpu 100 percent not working? any work around?00:25
penguin42olmari: Not sure, the ubuntu-bug is broken and might stay that way until monday00:26
olmaripenguin42: crap =)00:28
mikeconcepts_penguin42, are you familiar with the network browse issue?00:28
penguin42mikeconcepts_: Sorry, no00:28
olmaripenguin42: is there anything to do but wait it out? (sorry to bother so much :p )00:30
penguin42olmari: You could try asking on http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati00:31
penguin42olmari: also, you could try running the xorg-edgers X libraries which are bleeding edge00:31
olmaripenguin42: does it differ that afaik it is radeon, not ati, specifically?00:31
penguin42olmari: I'm fairly sure that all even vaguely recent ATIs are actually radeon (or radeonhd)00:32
olmaripenguin42: I meant the driver in running00:33
penguin42olmari: Acutally, T2 (M10) is listed in the set of cards supported by the Radeon driver (I've got an Rv710)00:33
vanishingyofel: sup man00:33
penguin42olmari: I'd mail that00:34
olmaripenguin42: ookay, I'll see what the outcome is :)00:34
olmaripenguin42: One thing I do like with nVidia, easy to use control panel, as a side note00:37
penguin42olmari: You can run the frglx closed source ati drivers and control panel (I think?)00:40
mamefan2I just installed lucid on a MAC G4.  The keyboard doesn't work for me in X but I can use the on-screen KB to get to a console and the KB works fine there.00:41
olmaripenguin42: I know I could, but those drivers sux, and ati control panel equally sucks in comparison to nvidia :D00:41
mamefan2I'm using the standard Apple KB and Mouse.  The mouse works fine.  Just the KB doesn't and only in X.00:41
penguin42olmari: The open source drivers have impressed me for ati, they still have a few rough edges but are OK for me; they're a lot better than a year ago - haven't tried dual head on them though00:42
penguin42mamefan2: Sounds like you've found a bug!00:42
tamranI compile pioneers on another machine, then made a package and installed it on this machine fine.  If I try to install the same version in the repos, it wants to install 59 other packages (57 of which are not pioneers related).  I've played with it and it works just fine00:42
tamranthis is in Kubuntu lucid00:42
olmaripenguin42: indeed, with ones came with lucid they're dirst time actually working for me as in generally usable daily00:42
tamranthe 9.10 kubuntu didn't need all that stuff I don't believe00:43
mamefan2I don't think so.  I think I've got a configuration problem.  Googling around for this issue I find that other have encountered it on previous releases.  I just don't know enough about how to troubleshoot the issue and would appreciate any guidance.00:43
olmaripenguin42: I don't bash the open source drivers at all itself :)00:43
tamranis there something new with the repos and gnome apps using special stuff in lucid?00:43
penguin42olmari: You could try xorg-edgers for the real bleeding edge version :-)00:43
mamefan2what's really frustrating me is that at one point I did get it (the keyboard) to work.  But I don't know what I did and when I rebooted it was broken again.00:44
OkidesuAny idea why Ubuntu One doesn't want to start ?00:44
mamefan2I think it may be related to the AllowEmptyInput X server option.  I seems that the mac keyboard is listed twice00:45
jarlathCan anyone verify this behaviour for me? If I right click on the Apps menu and untick some of the games - they still remain in the menu.00:45
mamefan2So, any advice?00:45
Andre_Gondimdoes any one know how to use hdmi to have output sound at tv?00:47
XeperaI just "upgraded" to lucid lynx, and I want to downgrade back to Karmic Koala.  Is there any way to do this?  I cannot get to the standard console shell (ctrl+alt+f2), and X windows is crashing on boot.  I am on the Karmic LiveCD now00:47
penguin42Andre_Gondim: That depends I think on the particular card; if you open up sound preferences and go to hardware do you see the separate sound card there?00:48
penguin42Xepera: Downgrading is generally not doable00:48
OkidesuXepera try pressing OrtSc+alt+k or J00:48
XeperaOkidesu: what is OrtSc?00:49
OkidesuXepera, if you get stuck at boot o-o00:49
OkidesuXepera, oops PrtSc00:49
Xeperapenguin42: surely there has to be a way to write packages to the system from the livecd?00:49
Okidesuprint screen or SysRq jet00:49
Okidesu*key damn it >_<00:49
penguin42Xepera: That's probably do able, but you'll have to figure out how to downgrade all the packages, and some of the configs may well have changed in ways the older packages won't understand00:50
Xeperathe problem is it's not showing anything at all during boot.  looks like a bunch of jumbled garbage.  X windows loads up to the login screen, but crashed beyond that00:50
penguin42Xepera: Which graphics card?00:50
Xeperanvidia00:50
penguin42I'm no nvidia expert, I'd check to see if there are any answers for fixing nvidia drivers for it00:51
penguin42Xepera: I'd make sure it's up to date as well00:51
OkidesuXepera can't you run a session in low resolution or what was it and then install nvidia drivers from hardware drivers ?00:51
Xeperapenguin42: i cannot boot into the system.  my network will not connect.  I cannot get to the console to do any manual maintenance00:52
XeperaOkidesu: no, that results in a crash too00:52
OkidesuCan't het alt+f2 to go to console ?00:52
Okidesu*he00:52
Xeperano.00:52
penguin42Xepera: Hmm tricky, I'd check the forums for fixes for nvidia - or ways to forcibly remove it, possibly from your current boot consider trying to disable the nvidia drivers on the installation00:53
Xeperaat this point i want to edit my sources.list from this livecd and attempt to downgrade.  I would rather deal with a few broken config files than not have a working system at all00:53
bjsniderXepera, is you /usr directory mounted on a separate partition?00:53
penguin42Xepera: Seriously, your chances of downgrading are less than the chances of fixing the nvidia driver installation00:53
Xeperabjsnider: no, unfortunately not00:53
Xeperapenguin42: it is not simply an nvidia drivers problem.00:53
LADmaticCAanyone gotten any disk failure warnings from disk utility?00:54
OkidesuXepera, do you have embaded GPU in your motherboard !?00:54
XeperaOkidesu: yes, but it's disabled in the bios00:54
OkidesuXepera, why don't you try to enable it and remove your normal card, ofc if nothing else works o-o00:55
Xeperanobody's willing to tell me how to edit the sources.list so i can downgrade?00:55
Xeperai don't want to fix the system since it's broken well beyond what is usable00:55
penguin42Xepera: I've never heard of a downgrade working - ever00:55
Xeperathe console should not be looking for a graphics driver00:56
penguin42Xepera: If you really want to downgrade then reinstall00:56
Xeperareinstall requires format iirc00:56
penguin42yep00:56
Xeperaok... i will look into this myself00:56
Okidesuisn't there an option not to format ?00:57
fatbrainHi, can I somehow set the x/yres in my terminals? :S (vt1)00:57
XeperaOkidesu: not that i've seen, unfortunately00:57
penguin42fatbrain: What do you mean by res exactly?00:57
OkidesuXepera, even in the advanced patitioning menu ?00:57
fatbrainpenguin42: I want ... to fit more text in my screen :)00:58
fatbrainpenguin42: i.e. more rows/cols.00:58
penguin42Okidesu: To do that I'd use debootstrap to reinstall a fresh image00:58
penguin42fatbrain: In the text console or in one in X ?00:58
penguin42Okidesu: debootstrap should be able to do it on an existing filesystem if you clear out the rest of the installation but leave your own data00:58
olmaripenguin42: by xorg edgers, do you mean https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa00:59
fatbrainpenguin42: : text console00:59
penguin42olmari: Yes00:59
XeperaOkidesu: no, it whines about "no root system is defined"00:59
Okidesufatbrain Edit > Profiles > Legacy > Edit > Scrolling > Lines :p00:59
penguin42fatbrain: you can load a smaller font (setfont) or you can change the resolution, I think fbset should be able to do that for you (there are some bootlines to do it as well) - although things have changed a bit with the new kernel mode setting I haven't fully got my head around01:00
OkidesuXepera even if you edit your sources wouldn't it complain that the versions you have are newer then the ones you are trying to install anyway ?!01:00
XeperaOkidesu, yes, but i can work around that01:00
fatbrainpenguin42: indeed, I'll fiddle around a bit, thanks.01:01
XeperaOkidesu: I really just need to know *how* to get it to write to the system from the livecd01:01
XeperaI will deal with the fallout.  I understand the warnings.01:01
Xeperathe system is completely unusable, as i have no access to console or X windows at this point01:03
OkidesuXepera, you said that the system boots to login ?01:03
XeperaYes, but crashed immediately upon entering login information01:03
Okidesudude -_-01:04
penguin42Xepera: Instead of entering login info do ctrl-alt-f1 and see if you can get a text console01:04
Xeperaand switching to console fails01:04
Okidesui'm pritty sure that you can Alt+F2 without entering login information01:04
Xeperalike i said01:04
Okidesuand go to console01:04
Xeperai cannot get to text console01:04
Okidesuright ctrl+alt+f1 or F2 or F3 sorry01:04
Xepera...01:04
Xeperai mentioned right off that that is failing as well01:05
penguin42Xepera: I'd mount the root file system and knock out the nvidia driver01:05
mamefan2is there some way I can boot to a console instead of loading GDM.  My kb and mouse are now both failing in X.01:05
olmaripenguin42: same results :)01:05
olmaripenguin42: also posted into mailinglist01:05
Xeperapenguin42: the text console has nothing to do with the nvidia driver01:05
penguin42olmari: Could - good luck01:05
OkidesuXepera, so the text console fails or it crashes when you try to load it with ctrl+alt+f1 ?01:06
penguin42Xepera: It still loads a kernel module and I'm not sure how it interacts with the new kernel mode switch stuff01:06
Okidesuwhat do you mean by fails, it fails after you try to login in the console or it crashes when you use the shortcut keys ?01:06
XeperaOkidesu: I don't know how to describe it, but it simply doesn't display anything but a bunch of white boxes toward the top of the screen (like nothing i've seen before)01:07
XeperaOkidesu: it doesn't crash - i just can't access the text console at all because it won't display anything when i switch01:07
mamefan2is there some way I can boot to a console instead of loading GDM?  My kb and mouse are now both failing in X.01:07
OkidesuXepera, open box remove Nvidia card try that or reinstall and format, or get another Hdd install linux on it, copy files from your crashed hdd01:08
Xeperareally, nobody will tell me how to modify my current system from livecd?01:08
Okidesucan you browse it ?01:08
Xeperathere is nothing wrong with my hardware.  it works fine01:08
Xeperayes01:09
Okidesuok replace "crashed hdd" with "destroyed ubuntu install"01:09
Okidesuok01:09
Okidesuwhere is sources located01:09
Okidesuwait a minute which sources you want to edit lol :)01:09
Okidesuon the not working lucid install ?01:09
Xeperalocated in /media/disk-1/etc/apt/sources.list01:09
Okidesusomeone should slap me and tell me to shat ap now XD01:10
SalmonSamanyone unable to enable desktop effects with the nvidia drivers?01:11
XeperaOkidesu: i know how to edit the sources.list.  I don't know how to tell this livecd to use that sources file, and to write those files to the appropriate partition01:12
OkidesuXepera, you said you are on Karmic live cd right ?01:12
XeperaOkidesu, Yes01:12
OkidesuXepera, and you want to edit the sources with sources for ?01:12
Xeperawhat?01:13
Okidesuwell is there a "force install" on the installer on the live cd or something ?01:14
penguin42Xepera: I think I'd edit the sources.list, chroot into the hard disk directory, mount /proc in there and then try and apt-get - but I still think you're chances are miniscule01:15
OkidesuXepera, or if you have Ubuntu One account maybe you can store the files you need there and restore them afterwords01:15
XeperaOkidesu: you mean through the installer program?01:15
Okidesugosh i sux in helping in linux :)01:20
penguin42the installer ain't going to help here01:20
Okidesunot sure what he's trying to save01:21
kavurtI'm experiencing a joke. In my two different computers, after todays updates my kubuntu turned into ubuntu. see http://imagebin.ca/view/RZiOJMF.html unbelievable01:22
penguin42kavurt: When you login does it offer you a choice of KDE or Gnome?01:23
kavurtno, I didn't install gnome at all.01:24
penguin42kavurt: Whether you wanted to or not, does it offer you a choice - that sure looks like gnome01:24
kavurtI'll check. It logged in automatically. I'll be back01:25
OkidesuXepera, but my best bet is remove Nvidia card and try with your onboard one :) think there's a good chance there01:26
* penguin42 would still try and fix the current installation01:30
contrastGreets, everyone... I just installed Lucid via the minimal CD, then installed kubuntu-desktop. Now the system fails to boot, even in recovery mode. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.01:31
Okidesucontrast, do you get a blinking cursor01:31
Xeperajust trying to do this from a chrooted environment... will update you all on the results01:32
OkidesuXepera, best of luck :)01:32
researcher1I have upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS- the Lucid Lynx, but now want to downgrade to 9.10 again. What should I do?01:32
Xeperamodified source.list and the apt preferences file01:32
Xeperasources.list*01:32
contrastOkidesu: Nope, just a solid one. Can't even switch to a TTY via Ctrl+Alt+F[1-6]. I _am_ able to reboot via Alt+SysRq+RSEIUB though, so it's obviously not the kernel itself that's crashing.01:33
Xeperaresearcher1: you too, huh?01:33
Xepera:)01:33
penguin42researcher1: Downgrades aren't supported; I suggest you watch Xepera one as he tries to downgrade and see how painful it is and then reconsider01:33
Xeperaresearcher1: i'm trying to do that right now - i will be updating this chat on the results01:33
researcher1Xepera because I want to use Vbox 3.1.4 which is available for Ubuntu 9.10 n not above01:34
penguin42time for bed01:34
Xeperaresearcher1: ahhh, for something like that i would just find an alternative man01:34
ZykoticK9researcher1, VBox 3.1.4 is working fine on my Lucid install01:34
Okidesucontrast get random hangs like that, no idea what causes them :/ but with 2-3 reboots and spamming SysRq+alt+J or K it boots  lol01:34
Xeperaresearcher1: i can't even boot my system -- that's why i'm doing this01:34
Okidesucontrast, after installing the Nvidia drivers from hardware drivers it stoped01:34
researcher1ok. then my system is enough stable. So far no trouble except the need to enjoy the benefits of Vbox 3.1.401:35
contrastOkidesu: Oohhh, that's comforting... Gonna try it, thanks... It's on its third attempted boot now, so I should just spam Alt+SysRq+J/K now, right?01:36
ZykoticK9researcher1, just install the DEB from http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads works great01:36
Okidesucontrast, well i cross my fingers, at least here that's how it worked, also one time it worked when i booted to my Live USB stick and then when i went back it just worked ...01:37
XeperaOkidesu: thanks for the good wishes :P01:37
XeperaOkidesu: running the "upgrade" from chrooted console now01:37
OkidesuXepera, too bad i'm too much of a noob to help more ^^01:37
researcher1Thanks  ZykoticK9: Im going to try this01:38
contrastOkidesu: Good to know, thanks again.01:38
XeperaOkidesu: the only issue so far was that I had to tell resolv.conf to point to the livecd version, otherwise apt-get upgrade laughed at me01:38
OkidesuXepera, is it installing now ?!01:39
XeperaOkidesu: It's running the upgrade... pulling all the karmic packages and replacing the lucid ones01:40
Okidesuaside from that i'm very happy with Lucid, my dual monitors work, surround sound, webcam, satellite tv card, wacom tablet :) it feels great.01:40
OkidesuXepera, it's not complaining that they are newer version or anything ?01:41
XeperaOkidesu: I wish I could say the same!01:41
XeperaOkidesu: I just edited sources.list, and the apt preferences file.  In the preferences file, I told it to ignore the newer version warning01:41
OkidesuXepera, oh don't worry after a few updates i will be here with your problems hahaha01:41
OkidesuXepera, ooo nice O-O01:41
XeperaOkidesu: Hopefully I'll be able to help :P01:41
OkidesuXepera, haahaha :D01:42
Okidesufor now i will just enjoy the dream of not needing windows for anything thou :D01:42
XeperaOkidesu: I don't know what went wrong, but I'll be trying lucid out once it's officially released01:42
XeperaOkidesu: yeah, i haven't used windows for some years now... i'm pretty new to ubuntu, though01:43
OkidesuXepera, i know what you mean by the "cubes" rendering and everything looking weird01:43
XeperaBut I do have Windows 7 on my netbook01:43
OkidesuXepera, experienced that one once, and it was nvidia drivers problem01:43
Xeperareally?  i never saw that before, and it was crazy as hell... i don't know why i can't even get to the console.01:43
OkidesuXepera, that's why if i were you i was going to take out the card and hope that Ubuntu will load different driver for it and it will all work01:44
XeperaOkidesu: if this downgrade fails, I'll just upgrade back to lucid and try that :P01:44
OkidesuXepera, yep it is crazy and when you start something you can't tell if it's running or not :) at best 1 or 2 cubes change their chaos patterns lol01:44
Okidesulol01:44
XeperaI'm way too impatient to troubleshoot all the broken stuff01:45
Xeperalol yeah, they were moving around randomly01:45
Okidesuyep exactly the same thing01:45
Xeperaonly at the top of the screen though01:45
Okidesuit doesn't matter01:45
Okidesubut if you can disable it from bios withotu opening your box that would be great01:46
Okidesui can't do that because i have Intel motherboard god bless em ......01:46
Xeperai'm pretty sure i could do that01:46
Xeperabut i love my nvidia card :)01:46
Okidesulol ok01:46
Xeperai think i should go to taco bell and get some burritos.  it may be a long night.01:48
Okidesu:)01:49
SalmonSamwas IRC support removed from telepathy-idle?01:50
csgeekI did an upgrade from karmic to the current dev release of lucid.  When I boot I get a error: the symbol 'grub_puts_' not found.  sda + sdb are raided,encrypted drive, sdc is the OS drive.. no raid..only has sdc1 is / and swap no other partitions01:56
csgeekI tried doing a chroot and forcing a re-install of grub.  Ran the grub-install /dev/sdc manually01:57
ZykoticK9csgeek, regarding the "grub_puts_" part you might want to see this forum post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=139762901:57
csgeekany other ideas?01:57
LLStarkshi.01:58
LLStarkswhy did people think it was a good idea to remove all references to usb in the startup disk creator?01:59
csgeekthanks ZykoticK901:59
ZykoticK9csgeek, hope it works for you man01:59
cjohnstonIs anyone using a lappy on +1? When you put your mouse over the battery icon, do you get a popup saying the %/amount of time left?02:00
csgeeknot yet.. but that's my next upgrade depending on the amount of pain the desktop upgrade entails.02:08
csgeekhere's a question.  sda && sdb are raided encrypted drive.. just data drive.02:08
Okidesuwhat's os2mac up to02:09
csgeekwould it hurt anything if I install the bootloaded on sda ?02:09
csgeek*sigh* even nicks with mac are annoying it seems02:10
Okidesulol02:10
csgeekI'm running out of ideas02:14
contrastOkidesu: w00t w00t. Removed the nVidia card, booted to a TTY, installed the nvidia-glx, popped the card back in and now everything appears to be fine. Thanks again. :)02:15
Okidesucontrast, woot :D nice !02:16
csgeekwtf.. okay why did that work...02:21
csgeekand why does my computer look like it's on acid02:21
csgeekso.. I had to install the bootloader to sda02:23
csgeekit seems02:23
sykany temp fix for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/53821402:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538214 in plymouth "Booting with the framebuffer renderer leaves the system at textual "login:" screen" [High,Confirmed]02:32
lanciferSo, has anyone else been having issues with the X login not loading until you hit the enter key?02:37
ZykoticK9lancifer, actually hitting the enter key crashes Xorg -- this is a longstanding and very common bug02:38
ZykoticK9lancifer, bug #53204702:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532047 in plymouth "Plymouth text-mode splash causes X to crash on first run due to shared tty7" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53204702:40
lanciferwierd, it sits on a blank screen with a blinking cursor. I hit enter and the Xorg logon screen loads02:40
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FFForeverwhat is the best dock?02:40
ZykoticK9FFForever, like #ubuntu this isn't really the place for polls - personally i'm enjoying the newly separted from GnomeDo, Docky program - but it requires Compiz02:41
FFForeverdocky?, what is the project page?02:42
ZykoticK9!info docky02:45
ubottudocky (source: docky): Elegant, powerful, clean dock. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0-0ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 594 kB, installed size 2440 kB02:45
ZykoticK9FFForever, if you ever saw GnomeDo with the Docky theme - this is a fork/split of that (new in Lucid)02:46
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amit1_Hello all04:01
amit1_Is power consumption optimized in 10.04 alpha3 or is there a way to turn this feature "on"?04:02
ZykoticK9amit1_, i don't know about the power consumption - but this channel is DEAD tonight... You might have to re-ask at another time, when people are actually here.  You where the first post in over an hour.04:03
amit1_haha04:03
amit1_okay thats fine, #ubuntu seems to be full04:03
ZykoticK9amit1_, buy you're liking Lucid so far?  Saw you entering #ubuntu - thought you'd been suggested to leave04:04
ddecatorhaha, yah, happy saturday before st. patricks day =p04:04
amit1_I just installed Lucid today04:04
amit1_So far it seems stable and I like the improvements04:04
amit1_I just ran the update manager and did all the updates04:04
tcsoccermanHas anybody confirmed the ipod touch support?04:04
ddecatortcsoccerman, i haven't tried, but i've heard it's buggy04:05
ZykoticK9amit1_, get use to LOTS of updates with Lucid04:05
amit1_midway through the update, GNOME kicked me out to low color graphics mode04:05
amit1_I just rebooted and it worked fine, but reported that synaptics crashed04:05
tcsoccermanddecator, hopefully it is stable for release. it would help ubuntu immensely.04:05
amit1_hey is anyone here familiar with kernel modules?04:05
ddecatortcsoccerman, agreed. i guess you can access the music on the itouch and play them on the comp, but syncing music to the itouch doesn't work quite right04:06
ddecatorand yes, i know it's "ipod touch" but itouch is easier...04:06
ZykoticK9tcsoccerman, i don't even own an ipod or iphone and i think support in ubuntu would be a great thing04:06
amit1_I'm going to try it with my IPhone04:06
ddecatoramit1_, back it up on itunes first04:07
ddecatorjust in case04:07
amit1_whats a good software for ITunes-like syncing etc?04:07
tcsoccermanya. the only reason i am dual botting vista right now is for itunes.04:07
amit1_amarok?04:07
ddecatoramit1_, i think rhythmbox is the only one with official itouch and iphone support...04:07
ddecatorbut for itunes style, songbird is amazing...but not available in lucid yet, even with ppa04:07
ddecatori need to get to work on that...04:08
tcsoccermani love songbird04:08
ZykoticK9ddecator, i'm using Songbird on Lucid04:08
tcsoccermanbut it needs to start living up to what people expect of it04:08
ddecatorZykoticK9, and it works for you? the upgrade borked the daily for me04:08
amit1_by the way, cairo dock is awesome04:08
Dr_Willissongbird often has fights with the gstreamer libs ive seen :)04:08
ddecatordocky is better ;)04:08
ddecatorDr_Willis, that's what the daily is doing i think04:09
ddecatormaybe the stable works, but the daily is a no-go for me right now04:09
Dr_Willisive seen pages with fix's to try. One was a simple EXPORT variable.04:09
Dr_WillisI think it forced it to use the system libs and not its own04:09
amit1_hmm.. I guess Rhythmbox comes built in with Lucid...04:09
ddecatori guess one of the files got deleted at some point, so the ppa hasn't been updated in a long time04:09
Dr_Willisi used the tar.gz version from the songbird homepage the other day04:09
Dr_WillisNot tried it on 10.04 yet04:10
tcsoccermanddecator, can docky be themed to look like mac os style?04:10
ZykoticK9ddecator, i just checked and i am using PPA daily - is working fine?!04:10
amit1_I guess theres no need to install iphone apps through the PC...we can just do it on the phone itself04:10
kindofabuzzis this the place to ask lucid server questions too?04:10
tcsoccermankindofabuzz, yes04:10
ddecatoramit1_, yup, it's the default right now04:11
ddecatortcsoccerman, yes04:11
amit1_okay guys, i'm about to plug in my Iphone...04:11
tcsoccermanamit1_,ooooo04:11
ddecatorZykoticK9, really? it keeps repeating the same song for me, but it SHOWS that it's playing the next song...even in safe mode04:11
amit1_If i dont respond in 5 minutes, don't come looking for me, just RUN04:11
tcsoccermanlol04:11
ZykoticK9ddecator, will i'll tell you what happens at the end of this song then04:11
ZykoticK9s/will/well04:11
ddecatorZykoticK9, it might take a few songs to happen04:12
kindofabuzzi tried to upgrade webmin and it just hung. so i stopped it, now i can't uninstall webmin because it says "E: The package webmin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." but when i try to reinstall it just hangs again04:12
ZykoticK9!webmin > kindofabuzz04:12
ubottukindofabuzz, please see my private message04:12
amit1_"Iphone is now mounted" !!04:12
tcsoccermannice! that is awesome04:12
kindofabuzzZykoticK9, doh! i love webmin!04:12
amit1_wow it shows up in Rhythmbox right away....04:13
tcsoccermantry and sync a song. i dare you.04:13
ZykoticK9kindofabuzz, have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install" ?04:13
kindofabuzzZykoticK9, i get the same error04:13
amit1_aw damnit, it won't play a song, it says I am missing a plugin...04:14
amit1_gstreamer04:14
ZykoticK9kindofabuzz, ? sorry man, no idea04:14
amit1_gstreamer is missing a plugin...04:14
tcsoccermani think that is normal04:14
tcsoccermanamit1_, install the plugin04:14
amit1_yeh but what plugin04:14
ddecatordo you have gstreamer installed?04:15
ddecatori don't think there is a separate plugin for it...04:15
tcsoccermanamit1_,http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8889369&postcount=1504:15
amit1_let the games begin04:15
ddecatorit's the thrill of the chase ;)04:16
tcsoccermanany luck amit1_?04:19
amit1_okay, well the cool thing is that Rhthmbox can actually search for the correct plugins to download04:21
amit1_SUCCESS, it plays, it plays!04:21
ddecatoryes, but can you put music onto your iphone and have it play after disconnecting it?04:21
tcsoccerman^04:21
ddecatori think that's where most people get stuck...04:21
amit1_hmm let me try..04:22
ddecatori've already abandoned itunes, but i can't upgrade my bb with ubuntu or watch netflix instant watch yet...get those two, and i can free up half of my hdd04:23
amit1_thats interesting, it shows up as a camera device and an Iphone on my desktop04:23
tcsoccermanboth at the same time?04:24
amit1_yes04:24
amit1_I dont see any "Sync" button here04:24
ZykoticK9ddecator, well my 5 song playlist completed without repeating, i'll try the library now04:24
chelzwhere are the changes detailed for each alpha/beta release listed? such as the moving the window icons stuff04:24
ddecatorZykoticK9, son of a...might just be my system04:24
ddecatormy sound indicator keeps resetting...04:25
tcsoccermanamit1_, you are supposed to drag and drop04:25
amit1_that worked from phone -> PC04:26
tcsoccermanamit1_, where people have trouble is that it does not sync after the drag and drop. well it does but only every other time.04:26
amit1_I dont think I can delete songs from the Iphone..04:26
amit1_"delete" is grayed out04:27
ZykoticK9chelz, i don't know of a changelog for all of lucid (other then the notes on the download page of each alpha so far), i think it's the individual packages that get changelogs - not too handy really04:27
amit1_oh wait it just deleted :)04:27
chelzZykoticK9: i was hoping for some kind of official blog that would talk about the current status, things left to be done, things needing overhauls still, etc04:28
chelzis there no face of ubuntu+1?04:28
ZykoticK9chelz, have a look at Milestones - link wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule04:29
ddecatoryah, i think it's all for individual packages...a changelog of EVERYTHING in lucid would be extremely hectic to try and read04:29
amit1_okay, so heres an issue, it showed the file being deleted from the Iphone, but it actually didn't delete anything04:29
ZykoticK9chelz, face?04:29
tcsoccermanamit1_, cool. so everything has worked so far?04:29
chelzZykoticK9: pr people almost04:29
tcsoccermanamit1_, nvm.04:29
ZykoticK9chelz, ?04:30
chelzZykoticK9: say just something to announce all these new icons and themes, something more official than people loading up the discs themselves and reporting04:30
ZykoticK9chelz, "UserInterfaceFreeze" on March 4th so on that day we got the new theme04:31
ZykoticK9chelz, that way it wasn't up for debate04:31
tcsoccermanamit!_, have you successfully synced a file to the iphone from cp?04:32
amit1_well, it won't delete a song04:33
chelzZykoticK9: isn't that really bad?04:33
tcsoccermanhave you tried sync though?04:33
amit1_I didnt see a sync option04:33
ZykoticK9tcsoccerman, personally i think the design team need to re-read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, but hey - Ubuntu != democracy04:34
ZykoticK9chelz, ^04:34
tcsoccermanzyk, what are you talking about?04:35
chelzZykoticK9: so who said it was ok to push something out without community input?04:35
tcsoccermanamit1_, try dragging a file from cp library to iphone04:35
ZykoticK9tcsoccerman, sorry wrong person04:35
amit1_yes, thats what i'm going to try next04:35
amit1_copy mp3 from PC -> Iphone04:35
amit1_Iphone -> PC worked...04:35
ZykoticK9chelz, the Ubuntu designers get to do whatever they wish - and we live/deal with the fallout... that's life.04:36
ZykoticK9chelz, if you can't already tell - i'm NOT a fan of the theme/button change04:36
chelzwell i heard the button location switched back to the right side. was this discussed with the design team on mailing lists anywhere04:37
chelz?04:37
ZykoticK9chelz, BUT because it's linux we can customize it the way we want - so not too much to complain about really04:37
ddecatorprobably, just hard to know what ML04:37
tcsoccermanchelz, what butto nare you talking about04:38
chelzZykoticK9: average users go with the default04:38
chelztcsoccerman: the close/minimize/maximize window control buttons04:38
DamasceneHello, I've read the bug in the topic but when I start it goes to tty instead of X04:38
ZykoticK9tcsoccerman, the buttons for close/minimize/maximize where moved to the left like a mac04:38
tcsoccermanhmmmm04:39
tcsoccermannot sure if that isgood or bad yet04:39
ZykoticK9tcsoccerman, they can be changed though04:39
tcsoccermanof course, it is linux :)04:39
chelzi heard it's back to normal, but i haven't verified that04:39
ZykoticK9exactly!04:39
tcsoccermani actually think it is good04:39
amit1_Error while getting peer-to-peer dbus connection: The name :1.180 was not provided by any .service files04:39
amit1_thats when trying PC -> Iphone04:40
amit1_.mp3 file04:40
tcsoccermanpeople view mac's as stylish so if linux does same thing linux is stylish too04:40
ZykoticK9chelz, buttons are NOT back to normal, just confirmed it in a default install VM04:41
chelzZykoticK9: of the latest iso?04:41
tcsoccermanamit1_, that is after a simple drag and drop?04:41
amit1_yup04:42
tcsoccermanwell that stinks04:42
ZykoticK9chelz, iso doesn't make a difference, no updates available for the vm04:42
chelzZykoticK9: is this the design team you were talking about? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-ux04:42
amit1_I think its a known issue, I'm reading abouta  fix04:42
tcsoccermanlink?04:42
ZykoticK9chelz, not sure - but i'd guess yes04:42
ZykoticK9chelz, i read it was 3 people that got thanks from Mark S. for the design04:43
amit1_You know what, it might now support the newer Iphone Firmwares04:45
amit1_*might NOT i mean04:45
tcsoccermanamit1_, the guy that got it working on the forum topic was running 3.1.3... the latest04:46
amit1_oh04:46
amit1_i think maybe my dbus is broken04:48
amit1_i recall seeing some random error messages about dbus04:48
amit1_let me try rebooting...see you in a little bit04:48
mrenoufSo what's this about crazy button placement?04:49
tcsoccermanhaha04:49
ZykoticK9mrenouf, they're on the left side a-la-mac04:49
ZykoticK9mrenouf, and in a different order then mac as well04:49
mrenoufIs this a Gnome 2.28 thing?04:50
ZykoticK9mrenouf, nope - just an Ubuntu thing04:50
chelzZykoticK9: i think it's changed in the latest isos04:50
* mrenouf *facepalm*04:50
ZykoticK9chelz, it hasn't04:50
Blue1getting some odd lockups04:50
mrenoufwell, not major worries. I need to start evaluating it for a kiosk type system I maintain for my company.04:51
mrenoufdisplay is all web based anyhow.04:51
ZykoticK9mrenouf, until this button thing - I loved Lucid!  much better then karmic.04:51
Blue1oh you can switch the buttons04:51
Blue1http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=20704:52
ZykoticK9oh course Blue1 http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side for my instruction on that matter04:52
ZykoticK9lol - i bet that pkill stole my directions04:52
mrenoufthings I'm tracking are Flash flickering, intel X11 issues related to kms, audio level settings (pulseaudio)04:52
Blue1hopefully what emerges on april 29, won't have that option - it's VERY unpopular04:52
Blue1I have pixalisation with x's on my display04:53
Blue1yeah the speaker icon disappeared04:53
ZykoticK9Blue1, that person did steal my directions!04:53
Blue1sorry04:53
ZykoticK9Blue1, if it wasn't you - don't say sorry.04:54
mrenouf(*reads pkill-9 link*) Ooooh...  min/max/close buttons?! On the LEFT?! Oh noes....04:54
Blue1it was me04:54
Blue1I did however, say at the top "reposted from"04:54
amit1_okay no more dbus errors04:54
ZykoticK9Blue1, thief!  lol ;)04:54
ZykoticK9Blue1, nice04:55
amit1_but the Iphone doesnt actually get the mp3 file I send itg04:55
Blue1ZykoticK9: pkill is sort of a permanent memory thing so I don't forget04:55
tcsoccermanamit1_, hmm that stinks04:56
ZykoticK9Blue1, it's all good man - i was just joking04:56
tcsoccermanhopefully itouch is better04:56
amit1_yeh, so Rhthmbox shows everything working, uploading and deleting songs, but nothing is actually happening to the iphone04:56
Blue1ZykoticK9: /me breathes a sigh of relief --04:57
ZykoticK9Blue1, :)04:57
Blue1ZykoticK9: these were half-truths - which is worse then bald face lies:  http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=16704:58
Blue1oops this one:  http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=8904:59
Blue1that was a 6 month on/off thing05:00
amit1_now time to play with Mono Develop05:02
Debian911Anyone know if the issue with SSH not being started after an upgrade from Ubuntu Server 9.10 to 10.4 has been resolved?05:04
amit1_sshd you mean?05:05
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Debian911All I know is that when I upgraded from Ubtunu Server 9.10 to 10.4 - rebooted server, it could respond to pings but port 22 OR 9004 weren't open so couldn't get in05:47
Debian911apparantly another user - who had physical access to their box (i dont) - did the update and reproduced it - it was stuck on a grub screen I believe05:48
syddrafI'm running lucid with gnome and there appears to be some kind of graphical error. There is a one or two pixels line around my wallpaper that changes color depending on the gnome theme. I've never had this problem with gnome before and am wondering if it has something to do with the 10.04 release or gnome itself.06:18
Dr_Willissyddraf:  ive noticed that also06:19
Dr_Willisnot sure whats causeing it06:19
syddrafDr_Willis: Alright. Guess I'll wait for official release to see if it gets fixed. It's not a usability problem, just annoying. =P06:20
ZykoticK9syddraf, try running "nautilus --quit"06:34
ZykoticK9Dr_Willis, you might be interested in ^^ as well06:38
syddrafZykoticK9: AMG! It works! Thanks06:47
ZykoticK9syddraf, don't think that is a permanent fix, you might have to rerun the command06:47
syddrafZykoticK9: is it possible to uninstall nautilus since I use Konqueror anyway?06:48
ZykoticK9syddraf, no idea - i don't use KDE at all i'm affraid06:48
syddrafLet's try it!06:49
syddrafLooks like not, it wants to remove gnome-session too06:49
ZykoticK9syddraf, then it's probably not a good idea then :(  sorry man06:50
syddrafah well thanks for telling me how to get rid of it ^_^06:50
ZykoticK9glad to help06:50
Dr_Willisreplaceing nautilus with konqueror - is a rather complex task07:05
Dr_Willisi recall guides on doing it ages ago...07:06
ZykoticK9Dr_Willis, did you see the "nautilus --quit" to fix the pixel boarder around wallpaper?07:06
Dr_WillisZykoticK9:  so kill off the desktop icons? :)07:06
Dr_Willisor restart nautilus07:06
ZykoticK9Dr_Willis, just restart's nautilus without the boarder07:06
Dr_Willisso its a Nautilus bug then it seems07:07
ZykoticK9yup07:07
* holstein is just going to pretend the border is a new feature ;)07:07
Dr_Willislike the buttons on the left...07:11
tgpraveen12in the downloads folder now i always have a bar at the top telling me "you can receive files via bluetooth in this folder" and there is no way to close this bar.07:14
tgpraveen12known bug?07:14
ZykoticK9tgpraveen12, same thing here... don't know if it's a bug or not?07:16
tgpraveen12it bugs me a lot07:18
om26erI removed bluez and now its gone07:18
robert__is there a way to make the gyachi repos work with lucid?07:20
nigelbtgpraveen12: its a top bar in nautilius?07:23
robert__is there a way to make the gyachi repos work with lucid?07:26
Dr_Willistgpraveen12:  never seen a way to get rid of those IDIOTIC 'tips' either08:02
Dr_Willisits an info bar with a single button. Like you see with  media with photos and so forth08:03
Dr_Willisor some windows cd's08:03
Dr_Willis'this is a photo cd - open fProt?'  (its NOT a photo cd. and i NEVER want to use that app...) :)08:03
tgpraveen12Dr_Willis: iirc those bars have a close button and anyways u can permanently disable those bar types by going08:05
tgpraveen12in prefs->preffered apps08:05
tgpraveen12sorry not there08:05
tgpraveen12but in nautilius prefs08:05
tgpraveen12i think08:06
Dr_Willistgpraveen12:  ive seen no close button on them here08:23
Dr_Willislet me look again08:23
Dr_Williszeven my 'downloads' directory has one  To  "Launch preferances"08:24
Dr_Willisand the screen space it takes up is at least as much as the titlebar/menu combined. So on my netbook its a real eyesoar08:25
Dr_Willisi dont see any settingsd in Nautilus perferances to disable them08:26
tgpraveen12Dr_Willis: in nautilius prefs08:26
tgpraveen12go in media tab08:26
tgpraveen12there set the photos thing to do nothing08:27
tgpraveen12and voila ur happy again08:27
Dr_Willisthey are all set to DO nothing now :)08:27
Dr_Willisand i still get it on the 'Downloads' directory08:27
ZykoticK9tgpraveen12, that didn't effect my ~/Downloads directory either08:27
Dr_WillisHeh. It may affect other stuff.. but not the downloads dir at least08:28
tgpraveen12yes the problem i had originally is that there is no way to remove that bar in downloads08:28
Dr_Willisand gee on my netbook gnome STILL makes dialogs like that preferances one Too tall to fit on the screen08:28
nigelbtgpraveen12: isn't just a help kinda thing?08:28
nigelbI dont think its a bug, its a feature08:28
tgpraveen12this will of course not make it go away there as it deals with meida08:28
tgpraveen12nigelb: it being there is of help sure. but not being able to make it go away once it informs, or once user clicks it, or users sets it up or something08:29
tgpraveen12is the bug08:29
ddecatornigelb, way to sound like a dev =p08:29
nigelbddecator: lol08:29
Dr_Willisand it definatly dosetn need tobe so tall08:30
tgpraveen12Dr_Willis: could u please file a bug for the downloads folder bar08:31
tgpraveen12and give us the link08:31
dtohi robert__08:34
robert__hey08:34
nigelbDr_Willis: probably against nautilus package08:34
robert__is kde 4.4 fast as gnome? just curious about tryin it out08:34
ddecatorwhat's the bug?08:34
ddecatori'm too tired to read backlog right now =p08:36
ZykoticK9ddecator, the ~/Downloads and the Personal File Sharing bar along the top08:37
Dr_Willisi imagien it will get said its a feature. :)08:37
Dr_Willisi even wonder how it knows its a special dir.08:37
ZykoticK9ddecator, not being able to disable it is the actual bug08:37
ddecatorZykoticK9, oh, didn't notice that there...08:38
robert__is kde 4.4 fast as gnome? just curious about tryin it out08:38
ddecatorrobert__, i think they're about the same, but it depends on how you set them up08:39
robert__ok thanks08:39
robert__i know the previous ones were slow just checkin08:39
nigelbDr_Willis: its either a gconf entry or there is a hidden file08:40
* ddecator checks gconf08:40
hifioh cmon, dpkg *is* slow with fsync08:41
ddecatori don't see anything in regards to that in gconf (looked at nautilus)08:42
Debian911Is there anything we need to enable in kernel 2.6.33 .config for TRIM with SDD drives or automatic?09:01
rskTRIM?09:02
Dr_Willisi thought6 that feture was a work in progress with SDD and some filesystems09:05
Debian911TRIM being implemented in 2.6.33 for SSDs09:33
YaManicKillrsk: trim is essentially like defragging for SSDs09:36
YaManicKillbut not quite09:36
YaManicKillits hard to explain...09:36
Dr_Willisdosent the filesystem also have to support the feature? I recaall btrfs (brfs?) having it as a work in progress09:37
YaManicKilli would immagine so...09:37
Dr_Willisjoy - nvidida decuded to go back to low gfx mode. Heh09:54
Dr_Willislets see if it can fix itself now09:54
tgpraveen12hey guys09:58
tgpraveen12am in somewhat trouble i decided to try kubuntu so installed kubuntu-desktop on my gnome lucid09:58
tgpraveen12but now i want to remove it how do i do so?09:58
tgpraveen12since kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage removing it is not removing anything else like amarok etc09:59
tgpraveen12please hlep i want to get rid of all traces of kubuntu/kde?09:59
Dr_Willishmm10:00
Dr_Willis!puregnome10:00
ubottuIf you want to remove all !KDE packages, type « sudo apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5-data && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » into a !terminal10:00
Dr_Willistry that10:00
tamran!purekde10:00
ubottuIf you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »10:00
tamranawesome, this bot is great10:00
Dr_WillisI keep kubuntu and ubuntu on the same system all the time.10:00
Dr_Willisjust a few quirks10:00
tamranhowdy Dr_Willis10:01
tgpraveen12Dr_Willis: i wont loose any of my gnome data by puregnome command right?10:02
tgpraveen12and also from what i see it is removing only kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5-data . will all kubuntu packages get removed by this?10:02
tgpraveen12Dr_Willis: ??10:04
dns53i have a bug with the nouvau driver leaving me with a black screen, i have set VESA in the xorg.conf but it is ignoring that, i have moved the upstart jobs and still i have a blank screen on boot10:04
Dr_Willis'data' as in settings in the users home dirs should NEVER ever get touched by the package manager systems10:05
Dr_Willisthat command might not be valid for 10.04 - ive not tried it10:05
tgpraveen12Dr_Willis: hmm and why is it installing ubuntu-desktop?10:06
Dr_Willisyou told it to?10:06
tgpraveen12resintalling rather10:06
Dr_Willisto replace anythign that might got removed..10:06
tgpraveen12ok10:06
tgpraveen12giving it a shot10:06
tgpraveen12hmm Dr_Willis from the looks of it is not working completely it says only 297 MB will be freed but when i installed it said installatioon would take up around 650 MB10:08
tgpraveen12or is that because the size given during installation included the size of pakcages which were already present on my system (but also required by kubuntu-desktop)10:09
Dr_Willisno idea10:11
Dr_Willisvery likely however id think10:11
tgpraveen12just for everyone's information http://orangesquash.org.uk/2007/12/14/removing-kubuntu-desktop/10:12
tgpraveen12the info at that link worked like a charm.10:12
tgpraveen12Dr_Willis: puregnome thing does not work completely.10:13
Dr_WillisIm not suprised at that. :)10:14
Dr_Willisthe use of meta-packages to install whole desktops - is a little.. goofy in ways10:15
tgpraveen12i still dont understand why when it installs it pulls in all the dependencies and acts as a proper meta package but not while uninstalling10:16
tgpraveen12the exact reverse should occur10:16
Dr_Willisbecause its a meta-package10:16
Dr_Willisa packaget that JUST depends on other packages10:16
Dr_Willisremoveing ubuntu-desktop package does not remove all of gnome10:17
Dr_Willissame with other XXXXX-desktop packages10:17
tgpraveen12well imo it either should/10:17
tgpraveen12synaptic should have a option/interface10:17
tgpraveen12to remove all dependencies of one package in a single click10:17
Dr_Willisyou can get into  catch-22 situations and other oddities that can be worse. :)10:18
yofeltgpraveen12: it's set in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove (see the Never MarkAuto Section)10:18
Dr_Willisremove openoffice.. oh wait.. that removes ubuntu-desktop.. that removes... everything? ":)10:18
Dr_Willisnot a good idea.10:19
Dr_Willisaptitude does a better job in this area i hear.10:19
Dr_Willisbut i rarely remove stuff10:19
yofelDr_Willis: as I said to tgpraveen12, this is a setting in apt for all metapackages, aptitude doesn't behave any different when removing them10:20
Dr_Willisyofel:  makes you wonder why its not the default then.10:20
yofelhm? not removing depends on metapackages should be the default10:21
yofels/on/of10:21
kermiacanyone else seeing non graphical plymouth after todays updates? bug 53866210:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538662 in plymouth "Text logo "ubuntu 10.04" instead of the graphical one, and disrupted splash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53866210:22
Dr_Willistheres several suggestions on  that Brainstorm site abut ways to improve it..  Perhaps that may be fix.10:22
Dr_Williskermiac:  it worked just a little bit ago for me.10:22
kermiachmm.. OP has nvidia, I saw it on ati10:23
Dr_WillisI got nvidia10:23
Dr_Willisbut my NV system booted to Low-res again today10:23
kermiacok, I'll keep digging - thanks anyway Dr_Willis :)10:23
Dr_WillisI hage to wonder at the manpower devoted to xplash and plymouth. and cant help but think. itd be better to just remove the 2 things...10:24
Dr_Willis:)10:24
Dr_WillisHmm.. the position slider in a video in totem is.. err.. errattic....10:25
Debian911Anyone tried updating from Ubuntu Server 9.10 to 10.4 lately (last 3 days)?10:48
yofelDebian911: I tried an upgrade test in a VM 2 days ago, went fine on x86, and failed with a dependency cycle on amd6410:53
yofelI'll try it again tomorrow10:53
Debian911yofel: yea, looking to move from 64bit 9.10 to 10.410:54
Debian911last time myself and another user in here tried it10:54
Debian911gets stuck on bootup10:54
Debian911pingable, but yea10:54
yofelDebian911: plymouth I guess10:58
yofelthe only minor thing I found was that when 10.04 server boots it stays on tty7 after plymouth exits10:59
yofelyou have to manually switch to tty1 to log in10:59
Dr_Willisthats odd..11:02
Dr_Willisnormally X is on tty711:02
om26erit is11:02
hifiwhat does notify-osd use for transparency?11:04
hifi(like, how do I make it work without gnome and compiz)11:04
dns53clutter11:06
dns53you need a compositing manager to use the transpareny11:06
hifiwould xcompmgr do the trick?11:06
dns53yes11:06
hifilets see...11:06
hifiand thanks11:06
hifiah, looks nice11:09
Debian911yofel: Ah that would explain it, I dont have physical axx to server so thats whats stopping me atm - do you know if it has been resolved?11:09
yofeldon't know11:10
yofelDebian911: ssh doesn't work?11:11
Debian911yofel: nope thats the issue11:11
Debian911yofel: both 22 and 9004 are down, however its pingable11:11
yofel:/11:11
Debian911the user I was testing with the otha day could reproduce it - but he said when he turned on monitor that was an error11:11
Debian911cant for the life of me remeber11:11
Debian911grub pos?11:11
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airtonixwhat is the font called thats being used in the new ubuntu identity?11:23
om26erairtonix, that's for Lucid+1 and no name yet11:24
airtonixwoops11:25
Dr_Willisairtonix:  its called the 'ubuntu' font last i looked into it.11:25
om26erah11:25
Dr_Willissaw it mentioned on some Webup8 site or OMGubuntu blog11:25
om26erI saw it at markshuttleworth.com and forgot11:26
xsachahow can i configure Xorg on lucid lynx? is there anything like xorg.conf? im using a radeon r600 (opensource drivers)12:04
penguin42xsacha: You can create an xorg.conf and it will get used, but it normally doesn't need it12:04
xsachaoh ok thanks12:05
penguin42xsacha: What are you trying to do?12:10
xsachait seems it uses radeon driver by default. i wanted to use radeonhd driver12:10
penguin42xsacha: Ah OK - I'm usign Radeon driver on an Rv710 (although I'm usign the xorg-edgers bleeding edge X packages)12:12
vistakillerhi12:12
xsachais radeonhd driver better than radeon driver for anything?12:12
vistakilleri still have problme with synaptic and plasma dekstop12:12
vistakillerwhen i use it to unistall or install a package plasma crash12:13
xsachaim just annoyed with this problem. the radeon driver has no power management for my card. it is like it is running at full load. laptop really hot, fans running hard12:13
penguin42xsacha: I haven't really tried switching between them, I came to the conclusion Radeon was developing more and kept with that12:13
xsachaoh radeonhd only lists r500 and r600 cards. but im sure r600 is very similar to r700. just wish catalyst 10.3 was out12:15
penguin42xsacha: Yeh r700 seems pretty similar, I think they had to make a few tweeks for it though12:16
vistakillerif i have to bug report this problem where i have to do it?12:16
vistakillerto synaptic or plasma?12:16
penguin42vistakiller: If plasma crashes I say the bug is in plasma - I might be wrong bu tit's a good start12:16
vistakillerok12:17
yofelvistakiller: didn't we debug this yesterday?12:21
vistakilleryes but today i try to unistall some package12:21
vistakillerand it crash again with this now12:22
vistakillerhttp://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/m627d9cd312:22
vistakilleri dont run synaptic with daisy but from kmenu12:22
yofelhm, ok, daisy crashed again, seems like it just needs to be running to crash12:22
vistakillerbut i dont run it from daisy12:23
vistakilleri think i must unistall it12:23
yofelvistakiller: well, I don't know, but the crash says: #6  0x00007f68fd778869 in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_daisy.so12:24
vistakillerstrange problem...12:24
vistakilleri have to unistall it then12:24
yofelvistakiller: can you install 'plasma-widget-daisy-dbgsym' and try to crash it again?12:24
vistakillerok12:24
yofelthat way we won't see just ?? in the crash12:24
vistakillerok i do12:25
vistakillerand something else12:25
vistakillerthey have change the kontack programme?12:25
xsachapenguin42, i also have an rv710.. how do i get your driver? do i need git mesa and git xorg?12:25
vistakilleri have set my contacts in previous edition with groups etc12:26
vistakillerand now i cant fine anything12:26
yofelvistakiller: dunno, lucid has whatever kontact is shipped with KDE SC 4.4.112:26
vistakillerfound*12:26
penguin42xsacha: I *think* the only special thing I have is the PPA from here https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers12:26
yofelvistakiller: maybe you'll get a better answer in #kubuntu-devel about kontact12:26
vistakillerok12:26
xsachapenguin42, thx12:27
penguin42xsacha: Probably best at this page actually - half way down is adding the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa12:27
vistakilleri cant find this package plasma-widget-daisy-dbgsym12:27
yofelvistakiller: oh yes, please add the dbgsym repository like described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash first12:28
yofelvistakiller: you'll just need the first command for lucid12:28
yofel(right now)12:29
vistakillerok12:29
vistakillerwait to realog because i am in black screen now12:31
vistakillerok lets see...12:31
VigoHello, can I install Lucid on the same HDD as a 9.10,8.04LTS and BSD partition/slice?12:32
yofelvistakiller: instead of re-login, can't you just press alt+f2 and run 'plasma-desktop' there? should get your desktop back12:32
vistakilleryes is better this?12:32
penguin42Vigo: I think so, if you have spare space I think it will offer you the chance to install in an extra partition, I'm not sure what it will do with the boot loader12:33
vistakilleri have to do something else now that i have install the debug package?12:33
yofelvistakiller: don't think, but if you crash daisy now you should get a backtrace with more information (required if you want to file a bug)12:34
vistakilleryes but it says that it dont have too much information...12:34
yofelvistakiller: does the crash app offer you to install more debug packages?12:34
Vigopenguin42: Thank you, I had to alter the BSD loader already, that was no real trouble , it is now a triple boot. This box is just a testing/Alpha/Beta box, so any crash or data loss is of no real concern.12:35
yofel(there should be a button)12:35
vistakillerno12:35
vistakilleris gray12:35
vistakilleri cant sellect it12:35
penguin42Vigo: Cool!12:35
yofelvistakiller: can you check if you have 'kubuntu-debug-installer' installed?12:35
vistakillerok12:35
vistakillerwas not12:36
vistakillerand there is more package12:36
vistakillerinstaller-dbg and installer-dbgsy12:36
vistakilleri have to install and that12:36
vistakiller?12:36
yofelvistakiller: for now you won't need those (unless you crash the debug installer ;) )12:37
vistakillera ok12:37
Vigogood one yofel. This is fun! again12:37
AngryParsleyis there a way to have my desktop icons auto-arrange by name? that way if I delete one, the others move to fill in the gap?12:38
vistakillerok not i cant sellect the option but...12:38
vistakillerone message says "could not find debug symbol for this application" :P12:39
AngryParsleyas it is, I have to right click on the desktop and hit "clean up by name" every time I add or delete something on my desktop12:39
yofelvistakiller: o.O ok...12:39
yofelvistakiller: let's try it the manual way12:39
vistakillerok i do it second time and now it works12:39
yofelah ok :)12:39
vistakillerwe is very funky my dekstop today12:39
vistakillerhe want to play with me i think :D12:39
yofel^^12:39
vistakillerok i install it now12:40
vistakillerand now i have dependency problem :P12:40
VigoAngryParsley,: No auto-arrange thingy?12:41
Vigoyet?12:41
vistakiller"the following packages block the installation:kdelibs5-dbpg12:41
dodddummyis 10.04 about as stable as past releases this far out from release date?12:41
AngryParsleyVigo: there's an option to keep them aligned, but that doesn't stop them from overlapping or having huge gaps between them12:41
AngryParsleyit just aligns them to a grid12:41
Dr_Willisseems decently stable to me dodddummy12:41
AngryParsleyit doesn't sort them alphabetically either12:42
Dr_Willisevery so often theres a quirk or 2 or packages get messed up12:42
Dr_Willisand last week there was some nvidia issues..12:42
yofelvistakiller: o.O can you try to install the packages it tells you from synaptic (kpackagekit is indeed stupid sometimes)12:42
vistakilleri do it now12:42
dodddummyDr_Willis, haven't seen you in a while.  i used to think you were following me.  guess, the change in nick threw you off my trail12:43
dodddummy:)12:43
VigoAngryParsley: I am just getting back into Debian/Linux, is the desktop Qt or C?12:43
dodddummyDr_Willis, that's good enough for me.  i'll install.12:43
yofelVigo: gtk/gnome is C, Qt/KDE is c++12:43
VigoThank you.12:43
yofelVigo: but some apps use PyGTK and PyQt, python is quite popular in ubuntu12:44
AngryParsleyhttps://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17212812:44
AngryParsley:(12:44
ubottuGnome bug 172128 in Desktop "Autosorting desktop icons" [Enhancement,New]12:44
AngryParsley5 years and no progress on it12:44
VigoI like Py12:44
Vigothon12:45
vistakillerok i think i can install this package from synaptic12:45
VigoThank you for the assistance and input, I will triple load this old HDD now and be back or go sailing.12:46
vistakillerwhy kpackagekit is so crap programme?12:46
vistakillerand why they have put it in kubuntu12:46
vistakilleradept was better and synaptic is great12:46
yofelvistakiller: no idea, haven't used it much and I think they use it since it uses packagekit12:46
yofelyep12:46
xsachakpackagekit doesnt even work for me12:47
yofelactually kpackagekit is still in KDE playground, I liked adept better too12:47
xsachacomplains about not having root access if i run it normally12:47
xsachai run it with kdesudo and it crashes lol12:47
Dr_Willisauto sorting icons will confuse new users.. :)12:48
vistakillerok now i will crash it again12:48
Dr_Willislike being able to confgure screensaver settings.. too confuseing12:48
yofelDr_Willis: who said by default, but it's odd that nautilus can't do that...12:48
Dr_Williscant have this confuseing stuff..  But moving the Min/Max/Close button is ok.. :P12:49
yofellol12:49
vistakilleryofel now it works12:49
Dr_Willisnext you will be wanting animated gif icons12:49
vistakilleri have to bug report it i think?12:49
vistakillerto bugs kde?12:49
yofelvistakiller: nice, can you pastebin the crash (just curious)12:49
yofelvistakiller: and yes, please file a bug at bugs.kde.org12:49
vistakillerhere http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/m63f9030b12:50
vistakilleri report now to bugs.kde but first i will make a coffee :D12:51
Dr_Willis_Found a new cool renamer app ->  http://file-folder-ren.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=Download12:53
AngryParsleyhas anyone else had a problem with trackerd using 100% CPU and tons of memory and doing tons of disk IO? I think it's trying to index/decode a blu-ray rip or something12:53
Dr_Willis_Now perhaps i can stop using 'bulk rename utility' in wine12:53
dns53ok i have a bug where something is causing my screen to go black on boot, i have moved all the upstart scripts that might start x to another directory but that has not fixed anything12:54
dodddummyDr_Willis, there is a bulk rename function in thunar.  did you not or just didn't like it?12:56
Dr_Willisi hate thunar12:56
Dr_Willisrox-filer has  a good renamer feature also.. but its lacking in some ways12:56
vistakilleryofek have you see anything?12:56
yofeldns53: did you try to disable plymouth12:57
tgpraveen12is it just me or for last few days nautilius seems to be very fast at opening folders12:57
yofelvistakiller: nope, but the crash looks ok now12:57
dodddummyDr_Willis, aha.  i like it because so far every time i've asked them to add something they did.12:57
dns53yofel plymoth, upstart, gdm, kdm, failsafe-x12:57
tgpraveen12i think it's caching/prefetching or something but whatever it is it rocks12:57
vistakillerok thanks for one more time for your help :)12:57
yofelvistakiller: yw ;)12:57
xsachapenguin42, any idea if there is a driver that has power management?12:58
yofelhmpf, ubuntu-vm-builder crashes when trying to build a hardy vm -.-13:00
vistakilleryofel programme search for other bug report and show 10 more13:02
vistakillerbut from other programmes like amarok13:02
vistakillerdo i have to do a new?13:02
CyberkillaWhen is Plymouth going to be the only thing I see when I boot up one of my computers? I still see a few lines of fsck, kernel logs and a blinking cursor before Plymouth loads :-( Then, on shutdown, I see a few seconds of TERM signals and a final line "disconnected from system bus".13:02
yofelvistakiller: check if the backtrace is *exactly* the same, if not, file a new bug13:02
redCyberkilla: I removed Plymouth and my Ubuntu gets to desktop twice faster :P13:03
redAnd does not "double login" boot anymore.13:03
Cyberkillared: Plymouth does not double-login for my on Nouveau any more btw.13:03
redI have automatic login and if Plymouth is enabled, I get thrown back into login screen after being few seconds.13:03
Cyberkillared: Also, I tried removing Plymouth, but I found that standby wouldn't work.13:03
vistakillerok is difficult but i try13:03
redCyberkilla: when was the bug sorted out for you?13:04
redI removed it 2 days ago and been happy without, I don't use standby ever tho so that's not an issue for me.13:04
Cyberkillared: A few days ago. I haven't tried it with the nVidia proprietary drivers yet though.13:04
yofelvistakiller: the relevant crash lines that start with [KCrash handler] #5 ...13:04
redAlright13:04
vistakillerok13:04
redSuppose I'll reinstall it after few weeks and see if it still goes apeshit13:04
Cyberkillared: Also, I would love to be able to auto-login, but my keyring isn't unlocked, which means I get prompted for a wifi password every time - this defeats the object, I think you'll agree:)13:05
redCyberkilla: it's easy to remove keyring locking13:05
Cyberkillared: Remove the password for the keyring?13:05
vistakillerand one title for the bug report?13:06
redApplications -> Accessories -> Passwords and Encryption keys -> then unlock login one (if that is the default for you too) and change it to an empty pw.13:06
vistakillerdo you have something in your mind?13:06
yofelvistakiller: hm, I would use something like 'daisy plasma applet crashes while using synaptic'13:06
Cyberkillared: Thanks. I think I'll try it. It's a shame I can't use a separate keyring for wifi.13:06
redFor my laptop I would not remove the keyring, but for the desk pc I do, cause I hate the wifi not jumping online automaticly if I remote powerup my pc13:06
yofelvistakiller: anything more specific goes into the bug description13:07
vistakillerok13:07
redCyberkilla: it might not "stick" sometimes btw, even if you change it to empty I got the password prompt for keyring on the next boot, but I redid the changes and it persisted.13:07
redAnd for gfs PC I had to do it three times iirc13:07
redShe doesn't want to enter passwords for going online to play facebook games and msn :)13:08
Cyberkillared: It is a bit of a flaw really. Anybody coming from OS X or Windows will expect autologin to actually automatically log you in. Hitting the desktop and having to give applications passwords separately isn't what most people have in mind:)13:09
vistakillerok done13:10
redyeah, i don't really see the difference in supplying a password on a login menu or a nag screen13:11
redautomatic should be what it's named, automatic :)13:11
vistakillerhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23070913:12
ubottuKDE bug 230709 in general "Daisy plasma applet crashes while using synaptic" [Crash,Unconfirmed]13:12
xsachadamn.. core i7 4.3GHz hex-core...13:14
yofelvistakiller: thanks13:15
penguin42xsacha: That must fly :-))13:15
xsachaorigin pc are selling it pre-overclocked13:16
vistakillerone nice launcher have kde and i cant use it anymore :(13:16
xsachamaybe it's fast enough to run kde4 :P13:16
vistakilleryeah kde4.4 is too unstabble general13:17
yofelwell, all crashes that I had are finally fixed with 4.4.113:17
vistakillernow in every major upgrade to new version in kde we have many problems13:17
vistakilleri just see that i have lost and my contacts13:17
vistakilleri have my contacts with groups but now i cant find them13:18
vistakilleri realog13:18
vistakilleri have and a strange problem with akonadi every startup and first time i login to the dekstop13:29
vistakillerhttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3110507.013:30
vistakilleri have this errors13:30
dodddummyjust tried the live cd.  please tell me i can turn off the apple emulation.13:41
TheInfinityapple emulation?13:42
dodddummyTheInfinity, the buttons are all apple like.13:44
dodddummyi suppose that's a theme i can change.13:44
dodddummyapple is so non free is just a sore point for me.  i'll get over it.13:44
dodddummyor change distros :)13:45
yofeldodddummy: the buttons aren't theme related, google a bit and you'll find out how to change them back13:45
dodddummyyofel, i will.13:45
AngryParsleydodddummy: so if you didn't know about apple your reaction would be, "oh, pretty icons"?13:46
AngryParsleyand not, "these icons are pretty. pretty icons remind me of apple. I don't like apple. by the transitive property, I don't like these icons"13:46
dodddummyAngryParsley, no, my reaction would be, "why in the world would they change the default after i've been used to it for many years now instead of making it an option i can change to if i like?"13:47
TheInfinityAngryParsley: computers always have been religious wars.  just accept it. :)13:47
penguin42dodddummy: You aren't the only person to dislike it - I agree with you, as do many others13:47
yofeldodddummy: because ubuntu wants to revolutionate usability ;)13:47
AngryParsleywait, what?13:48
AngryParsleyI thought you said you didn't like the look of the buttons13:48
dodddummypenguin42, i just don't like it when the defaults change instead of giving me the option to switch.13:48
AngryParsleyjust changing some icon colors/bitmaps shouldn't change usability13:48
penguin42dodddummy: Yep, I believe it should be part of the theme13:48
dodddummyyofel, changing the order of those three buttons makes for better usability?13:49
yofeldodddummy: don't ask me, ask the artwork theme, their idea...13:49
yofels/theme/team13:49
AngryParsleyohh you mean _that_ thing. the placing of the window buttons on the left side and reversing them so the close button is right next to the file menu13:49
penguin42dodddummy: There's an argument going on on the ayatanna mailing list about this13:49
AngryParsleyyeah I hate that too. apparently it has been fixed though13:49
AngryParsleythat whole business is quite a CF. I mean new UI stuff a month before an LTS release?13:50
dodddummyAngryParsley, yeah, it's only 20? years now.  anyway, it's a not much.  i'll just change its.13:50
dodddummyAngryParsley, that's a reasonable point though.  why not change for the next release.  oh well.13:51
Sioux_33hi question i cant use my tv box in ubuntu cos there is no driver for it. i have win7 and ubuntu 9.01 on hdd in win7 my box is working perfect i want to ask is there any chance to open win media center in ubuntu using wine or something?13:51
balasis there any way to get around the lucid not rebooting issue ?  or fails to boot ?  i've got an nvidia 8600 gt13:52
AngryParsleyI wouldn't mind it if ubuntu put the three window button on the left side, but they need to order them the same as OS X and center the window title13:52
AngryParsley*buttons13:52
dodddummyAngryParsley, i'm still going to install in a minute13:52
om26erbalas, what do you see?13:52
balasi haven't tried it for some days, the past week or so, i used a daily build, did a reboot, and nothing came up :(13:53
balasi was using an ati card at the time13:53
AngryParsleyheh, in 8.10 and 9.04 it was the intel cards that had issues. how the tables have turned!13:53
om26erbalas, have you tried the latest daily?13:53
balasactually you know i didn't use a daily build i don't think13:53
balasnope13:54
balasi think i may have sudo update-manager -d13:54
st4aluckcan somebody tell me if I can make my webcam pleomax pwc-3800 works in 10.0413:54
balasi'll give it a shot.13:54
st4aluckcan somebody tell me if I can make my webcam pleomax pwc-3800 to work in 10.0413:55
robin0800penguin42: you can change the position of the buttons but not sure you can change their order13:56
penguin42robin0800: Well there is the general/button_layout in gconf13:57
om26erst4aluck, it worked in karimc?13:57
AngryParsleygrumble grumble. the keyboard layout indicator says the same thing for dvorak or querty13:57
AngryParsley*qwerty13:58
AngryParsleyit just says "USA"13:58
st4aluckom26er: yes it worked but after I upgraded  the kernel it stoped again, so I need solution for the new kernel13:59
st4aluckom26er: and if possible for the 10.04 cause it will be the futer LTS14:01
kblinhi folks14:01
om26erst4aluck, I think you should report a bug if it worked in karmic14:02
kblinI've been asked to test lucid for a kernel bug I've reported against jaunty. however, the lucid installer gets stuck after trying to set up a framebuffer. can I tell it to use a ncurses-based install like the older server installs used?14:03
AngryParsleyhow do I fix the window buttons in lucid?14:19
AngryParsleyI got them on the right side, but the button with the program icon isn't on the left side anymore14:19
xxploitAngryParsley, gconf-editor14:22
AngryParsleyxxploit: yeah, I did that14:22
om26eris there any shortcut to memenu?14:22
om26ershorkey14:23
AngryParsleybut there should also be one button on the left that shows a menu with window-related stuff14:23
AngryParsleylike resize, maximize, minimize, close, etc14:23
xxploitAngryParsley, in the gconf-editor under metacity there will be something called window buttons/items or something14:23
AngryParsleyxxploit: I _did_ that already14:23
st4aluckom26er:  It worked in Karmic till the upgrade of the kernel. If I run the old kernel no problems14:23
xxploitAngryParsley, readd the app icon there14:23
xxploitAngryParsley, menu:maximize,minimize,close14:24
om26erkernel regression14:24
AngryParsleyahh, menu14:25
AngryParsleythanks14:25
st4aluckom26er: !?!?!14:25
AngryParsleyalso I think the correct order is minimize, maximize, close14:25
xxploitthe correct order is whatever works for u14:25
om26eryeah14:25
AngryParsleywell appearance prefs shows the menu icon on the left, the title text left-aligned, and then min, max, close on the right14:26
AngryParsleybut the actual windows don't look anything like the previews unless you screw around with obscure gconf-settings14:26
st4aluckom26er: for that reason I turned back to 8.0414:26
om26erst4aluck, can you try the latest kernel in Lucid just to check if that solves the problem (latest is 2.6.33)14:28
xxploitAngryParsley, if your using the new dark theme, using the order u listed will cause the controls to become square, kind of hard to explain unless u change the order and look at what i mean14:28
st4aluckom26er:14:29
AngryParsleyI switched it to my old theme14:29
st4aluckom26er: I tryed 3 alfa alredy and it's the same like the latest kernel of karmic14:30
om26erst4aluck, lucid dont have the latest kernel it uses 2.6.32 and the latest is 2.6.3314:31
st4aluckom26er: do you think it will work!?!14:32
om26erst4aluck, not really as it did not work in karmic or lucid but newer kernels have many bug fixes14:33
st4aluckom26er: I think the newr kernels are more unstable14:33
om26erst4aluck, you should report a bug14:35
st4aluckom26er:  The problem is well known and you can find info easy14:36
st4aluckom26er:  I meant for karmic, there are drivers you can install but with it latest kernel the don't work14:38
kklimondast4aluck: why?14:39
kklimondast4aluck: is the problem you can't compile them?14:39
st4aluckom26er:  Itryed to comp with the new kernel and it doesn't work14:40
kklimondast4aluck: it isn't a bug in kernel, your drivers need an update14:42
st4aluckom26er: a french guy who made the drivers I think. Yeah and I Alway have to wait till somebody make them.14:43
om26erits quite old webcam14:43
om26erubuntuforums have a problem with this back in 200614:44
om26ernot ubuntuforums a person at ubuntu forums14:44
st4aluckom26er:  I better give up and buy one wich is supported14:44
rniamohi15:20
rniamoin lucid there is no more interface tab in system->appearance15:20
rniamois it normal?15:21
rniamoi would like to hide text near icons to keep only icons15:21
om26errniamo, yes its by design15:21
rniamooh, and properties in this tabs are removed or moved somewhere ?15:21
redbad design taking the OS backwards in usability :p15:22
redthats the punchline of Lucid15:22
rniamocan i set this property with gconf-editor ?15:23
om26erpeople dont think anything and just say it15:23
rniamo?15:23
om26erI dont understand any change in lucid is a step backward how15:23
om26erred, this is change, oh,, this is a step bakwards for ubuntu15:24
om26ersighs15:24
redany change? no15:26
redchanges taking things away is, even tho available via gconf-editor, it's backwards step in my eyes. and I think I have a right to have an opinion :)15:26
redupstart is a good change for one, no hal is another15:26
om26erred, how is this a step backward to not show un-needed icons, the interface looks much better without those icons15:27
rniamoit's a strange choice to remove this option15:27
om26erits better choice15:27
rniamowhy ?15:28
om26erwhy not?15:28
rniamotechnycallly ?15:28
om26ervisually15:28
rniamobecause to allow user to choose its interface is a good choice15:28
om26erbye bye ubottu15:29
rniamo++15:29
om26errniamo, for what I know any change in ubuntu is treated badly, window buttons moved to the left side and people say this is a step backwards15:30
rniamoto fix interface is a step backwards, to let user choose is nice15:30
rniamobefore i chose "icons only", now it is not p ossible15:31
red < rniamo> because to allow user to choose its interface is a good choice15:31
redthis is exactly what I ment15:31
rniamobut  not om26er15:32
redom26er: and for my taste, going MacOs style isn't a good thing15:32
redubuntu looked original with the brownish look15:32
tcsoccermanwhat about the users that are "noobs" and need it to just look good from the start?15:32
rednow it looks like mac for many parts =)15:32
om26erred, much better than being windows style15:32
redit wasn't windows style imo15:32
rniamoit can be look good from start and let the user make some choice15:32
redmost Os have the buttons placed on right, so i'd call it the general way15:32
TrewasI would say that changing the window buttons to left is even objectively bad idea, as people have to get used to it being different to everything else15:33
rniamobecause if they remove options, next version will remove the choice of the gtk theme15:33
ChogyDanare the buttons still on the left?15:33
redwe're ubuntu users, we've used to having them certain way and then they are changed by default to another style15:33
redluckily you can tweak it via gconf-editor, but a lot of users dont know that15:33
smknightyeah, they will complain a week or two and adapt then15:34
redwhy do they need to adapt?15:34
dodddummygot it and all my favorite packages installed.  so far so good.  only complaint is the volume control thingie in the 'systray' but there seems to be a work around for that.15:34
redmy point is - does it help in some way to change basic functionality?15:34
om26erred, everything starts from left side15:34
redother than to just blatantly copy Mac Os :P15:34
smknightred: people need to adapt when they change operating systems/desktops all the time15:35
rniamored : can you give me the gconf path please15:35
redthe monochrome icons, placement, color scheme, nautilus extra panel (the only good copying :p)15:35
om26eryou write from left, toolbar icons start from left, file,edit, etc is on left15:35
Trewassmknight: adapting is quite difficult if people use anything else than ubuntu (and most use), where the window controls stay on the right15:35
AngryParsleygconftool --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close15:35
smknighteverybody had to adapt when changing from windows/macos to ubuntu15:35
redrniamo: its under metacity in applications15:35
redchange the : to the left side of the minimize,maximize,close text15:35
xxploithonestly i think everything is crammed. Menu/Window Controls/Title all right there in the same space15:35
Some_PersonHow stable is lucid at this point?15:35
rniamoi speak about app icons not metacity ones15:35
rniamolucid is stale if you have no nvidia card15:36
smknightyou will always have people complaining when you test something15:36
om26erSome_Person, its not stable15:36
Some_PersonOk, how unstable is it?15:36
redom26er: and yet my hand and brain expects them to be on right hand side for they have been there since in most guis for nearly 20 years15:36
xxploitstale? whats an nvidia card have to do with it?15:36
redyay for the people first time touching pcs15:36
AngryParsleyred: I use a mac most of the time and the button change annoyed me too15:36
om26erSome_Person, as unstable that things can break bad15:36
dodddummyred,  the idea i think is so you can get it from the left like the other 'menu' type things.  i still prefer them to be on the right side since i'm used to going there and as a means to separate the two.  i have in my mind when i'm working on the window stuff i go to the right and when i'm working on the app i go to the left.  seems silly to me to change the default but it's about a 10 second change to go back to the other way.15:36
Some_Personom26er: Even though the freeze is over?15:37
AngryParsleyI mean the ubuntu button change. I never touch the buttons on my mac since I use multitouch trackpad gestures for minimize/maximize/close window15:37
yofelSome_Person: just because the freeze is over doesn't mean that everything will work for you15:37
Some_PersonI understand that15:38
reddodddummy: aye, agree. im just saying it's a bad change and a stupid mistake from graphic design team :)15:38
redcluttering too many options to an area and navigation gets slower15:38
smknightbad for you, certainly not for everybody :p15:38
AngryParsleyit is a bad change, and a stupid design mistake15:39
om26erred, probably you might have read in some article i guess15:39
AngryParsleyit's certainly not good for anyone15:39
redom26er: no?15:39
yofelSome_Person: if you have backups feel free to try it, testers are always welcome15:39
smknightAngryParsley: proof that15:39
dodddummyred i do agree.  and besides, i have a 10 year old bug it seems like they should fix before moving buttons around :)15:39
redwhy do you mock me for not agreeing with you? :)15:39
AngryParsleysmknight: it puts the close button really close to the file/edit/view menus15:39
Some_Personyofel: I'm thinking of installing it to an SD card so I won't lose my current install15:39
AngryParsleyand the button ordering is unlike any other OS15:40
AngryParsleyOS X has the close button on the far left15:40
redsmknight: I dislike clutter15:40
smknightyou have to test such things15:40
dodddummyi say fix the slow main menu launching first :)15:40
yofelSome_Person: should work, but don't forget to check where grub will be installed15:40
rniamomy answer is /desktop/gnome/interface/toolbar_style15:40
rniamo++15:40
AngryParsleyso going from OS X -> new ubuntu layout means I kept clicking close when I meant to click maximize15:40
smknighti remember the time apple showed the osx interface for the first time15:40
Some_Personyofel: It should go to the SD card15:40
smknighteverybody complained the same way you complain about the buttons now15:40
redsmknight: people do get used to15:40
redit doesn't mean it's a good thing still15:41
dodddummysmknight, everyone was right then, too!15:41
Some_PersonSo is Alpha 3 the latest Lucid release?15:41
AngryParsleysmknight: I don't think OS X's button positions are amazing or anything, but they make a lot more sense than ubuntu's right now15:41
redas a metaphore, people get used to living in bad conditions too, doesn't mean they are good conditions15:41
yofelSome_Person: if you can later boot from that card I see no reason why it shouldn't work (as long as the installer doesn't crash or something like that)15:41
smknightthe osx desktop is considered one of the best desktops on the market for a long time15:41
smknightmany ppl really love it15:41
om26erSome_Person, beta1 is coming next week15:41
smknightyou have to test such radical things15:41
AngryParsleyand like I said, I use jitouch for window operations on my mac15:41
yofelSome_Person: wait, use a daily image at this point15:41
Some_Personyofel: Yes, this system can boot to SD cards15:41
smknightelsewhere you wont ever make any real progress15:41
yofel!daily > Some_Person15:41
ubottuSome_Person, please see my private message15:41
AngryParsleysmknight: everyone tested it and everyone hates it15:41
smknightAngryParsley: thats not true15:42
AngryParsleyHyperbole is a rhetorical device in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.15:42
smknightim not that dumb AngryParsley15:42
smknighta lot of ppl think it sucks and most ppl really dont care15:43
dodddummyon the plus side, it got me to looking for thems and i found one i like better15:43
Some_Personyofel: What's the advantage of the daily image?15:44
smknightand nothing is final, who knows if they change it back in the next version15:44
smknightmaking such changes and getting feedback from the community is a key factor for user interface design imho15:45
yofelSome_Person: the alpha3 has the os from quite a while ago, the daily images are the builds with the current packages so you won't have to update as much15:45
Some_Personall righty then15:45
yofelSome_Person: also if you use the daily images you can test helping them to make sure the beta images work this week ;)15:45
yofeler... help testing15:46
Some_Personok15:46
AngryParsleysmknight: not one day before a UI freeze for an LTS release!15:46
AngryParsleyget feedback from the community at any time besides that15:47
sburwoodI would like to know how to do two things with Lucid.  One, remove the choice in Sane.  The primary device for Sane is a USB camera, and not the scanner that should be its only device15:48
sburwoodIt recognizes the scanner, but it prefers the USB camera15:48
sburwoodthis might not be the chat room for that question15:48
sburwoodalso, I want to remove feedback (asterixes when you type the password15:49
red< smknight> the osx desktop is considered one of the best desktops on the market for a long time15:50
smknight*by many people :)15:51
redI only know a few Apple fanboys who love most things apple throws out, and love the GUI etc15:51
macoi only know 1. he works for Apple.15:51
redthen I have a lot of Windows and UNIX friends who all consider using macs an annoyance (at school in certain classes for example)15:51
macoo/15:51
* maco can't stand macs15:51
redand myself included, I hate the Mac GUI15:51
smknighti really know a LOT of people who switched to a mac because of the user interface15:52
redDock is awful, I mean, you close an app but instead it's just "running in the background", you can't see with a quick look what is actually on and not, the Finder is terrible15:52
redthe keyboard is annoying, ctrl has to be manually binded to work as a ctrl cause they want you to use badly placed Fn key15:52
smknightred: the first thing is not true15:53
smknightyou can see that on first sight15:53
redit wasn't obvious atleast15:53
smknightit totally is :p15:53
redI had to use one during a 6 week course of Flash CS4, In Design etc15:53
AngryParsleymacs have multitouch trackpads, so I really don't care about anything else15:53
smknightdont want to argue about that, but its a fact that a lot of people really love the interface15:54
redso just hated the experience overall15:54
AngryParsleyit's really nice to be able to drum my fingers across the trackpad and have it maximize the current window15:54
redlike did 90% of the people sharing the class with me15:54
redin the end it's a personal opinion for everyone, but im just saying that most people do not like it :p15:54
redeven thought it might be that many people you know do, and vice versa for my situation15:55
smknightmost of the people you know15:55
dodddummyit's not so bad when you compare it to copying window's registry!  got to duck for that one.15:56
redI'm guessing the graph desing team uses Macs rather than Linux for their graphical work15:56
redso might be natural choice for them to copycapt Mac Os15:56
AngryParsleymost developers I know user macs15:56
redI know some too15:56
AngryParsleyand yes, they actually do run OS X on them15:56
dodddummyAngryParsley, that's the sin.  developers using macs.15:56
redI prefer Linux, since i'm more a coder than graphical worker (don't depend that much on Adobe)15:56
smknighti used osx at a time where gnome/kde werent even remotely comparable to osx in design and function15:56
smknight2004/2005 or so15:57
AngryParsleydodddummy: eh, most code monkeys in the bay area make more than enough money to afford macs15:57
redfor me it's enough to have virtual windows for occasional photoshopping and flash15:57
AngryParsleyit's basically BSD but with a pretty UI and no need to screw around with wireless driver15:57
AngryParsley*drivers15:57
smknightbut some time after that gnome evolved into a really usable desktop(for me)15:57
dodddummyAngryParsley, i see a dev using macs without being forced by work and my opinion drops for me.  i think it's a genetic flaw i can't overcome.15:58
redI don't hate Macs generally15:59
dodddummyit's the license i hate.15:59
redjust the GUI choices, since they seem to do a lot "backwards" from what I've used to15:59
dodddummytime to make the donuts.15:59
AngryParsleydodddummy: why? I bought a mac after I got tired of editing xorg.conf15:59
redI had 3 iPhones too15:59
rednow a Nokia N900 with Maemo 5 linux16:00
dodddummyAngryParsley, it's all about the freedom.16:00
smknighti switched from iphone to a droid with android16:00
AngryParsleythe freedom? I'm willing to pay more for something that helps me get stuff done faster and with less frustration16:00
rediPhone GUI was awesome, but I had bad luck and two of them had wifi problems and 3rd one a broken mic so I picked a nokia instead16:00
smknightbut only because it has a harware keyboard :/16:00
AngryParsleyI don't care if the OS code is open or not. I'm not a kernel developer16:00
dodddummyAngryParsley, and i'm not.16:00
smknightthe osx kernel is free software :p16:01
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AngryParsleyno, it isn't. the BSD stuff bolted on to the microkernel is BSD licensed, but apple doesn't have to contribute their changes16:02
smknightit totally is16:06
smknightthe license conforms with the FSF guidelines :<16:07
AngryParsleymany of apple's kexts are proprietary. apple's license allows linking to proprietary code16:08
AngryParsleythat's why you can't download all the source for OS X's kernel, build it, and run it16:09
smknightthats why they are put into extensions :>16:09
smknight:<16:09
AndyGraybealhi i was wondering if the recommended backup application for 10.04 is going to be Bacula (like it was in 8.04)16:10
AngryParsleyextensions in a microkernel are usually much more basic than modules in a monolithic kernel16:11
smknightyou could argue about that topic all day16:12
smknight:/16:12
smknightsame with user interface design decisions :p16:12
AngryParsleybasic stuff like reading info from the EFI is a kernel extension in OS X16:12
AngryParsleya proprietary kernel extension. so while some parts of OS X are BSD or APL licensed, it requires proprietary code to even boot up16:13
smknight*with efi16:15
AngryParsleysmknight: a BIOS kext doesn't exist. you need EFI to boot OS X16:16
smknightim not into that whole topic anymore, thanks for info16:17
smknightwhat about the darwin thing16:17
AngryParsleyopendarwin? that project is dead16:17
smknightyeah, but it should boot without efi16:17
AngryParsleyall intel macs are EFI. all PPC macs are openfirmware16:21
smknightyeah, but you could boot opendarwin on normal pcs in the past16:21
smknight:/16:21
AngryParsleycould you?16:22
smknightyeah16:22
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XeperI'm running kubuntu+1, and wondering if there is a way to install plasma themes from a simple interface instead of manually downloading from kde-look and mucking around with the files...16:40
yofelXeper: systemsettings -> appearance -> style -> workspace maybe?16:44
yofelthere is a 'get new themes...' button at the bottom16:44
Xeperahhhh ok, great!!  thank you very much yofel16:45
yofelXeper: yw :)16:45
amit1_Hi everybody17:01
amit1_I don't see a boot screen when I start up17:01
amit1_it just gives me a black screen until the login screen17:01
robin0800amit1_: mine dosen't always get to the logon screen17:03
amit1_you mean it just locks up?17:04
robin0800amit1_: no it goes to a ctrl alt f1 promot17:05
amit1_oh you mean you don't get to the GDM login, just the console17:05
amit1_Ya I guess the Plymouth boot screen is broken for me17:06
robin0800amit1_: yes the I do ctl alt F7 for the login screen17:06
amit1_is your system fully updated?17:06
robin0800amit1_: do you see it on shutdown?17:07
amit1_yes i do17:07
amit1_i mean it has the little red dots that light up right?17:07
amit1_as its shutting down...i believe thats the proper shutdown screen17:07
happyface why does my wifi card not show up in nm-applet unless I reinstall gnome-network-manager and reboot?17:08
amit1_did you override your /etc/networks/interfaces file?17:10
happyfaceamit1_: not personally but could wicd have done that?17:12
amit1_happyface: wicd could have overridden NM17:13
amit1_happyface: i believe wicd is a drop in replacement for NM17:13
happyfaceamit1_: this has been happening since koala when I switched from wicd to gnome-net, then I switched back17:13
amit1_look at your /etc/network/interfaces file17:13
happyfacewhat should I be looking for?17:14
amit1_it should only have two lines if NM is in control17:14
amit1_auto lo17:14
amit1_and17:14
amit1_iface lo inet loopback17:14
happyfaceThanks amit1_: I'll check it out - gotta switch to that partition brb17:15
amit1_you're not in 10.04 right now?17:16
amit1_robin0800: I saw this in my syslog:  init: plymouth main process (261) killed by TERM signal17:16
happyfaceamit1_: yea im in 10.04 now17:17
happyfacebooting it up17:17
amit1_happyface: oh, on a different machine?17:17
happyfaceim on a shell now, using my phone atm17:18
happyfaceamit1_: yes, my interfaces file looks good17:18
happyfaceamit1_: but nm-applet shows wireless as disabled, even though i can see it with iwconfig17:19
apparleis firefox kde integration going to be implemented on lucid https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-firefox-kde-integration17:20
amit1_happyface: and the only way to get it to see the wifi is to reinstall NM?17:20
happyfaceamit1_: correct17:20
happyfaceamit1_: and reboot17:20
amit1_happyface: and wicd is completely uninstalled?17:21
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amit1_happyface: i'm not familiar with wicd, but you need to make sure its not running17:21
happyfaceamit1_: yes, it was purged17:21
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ellarkklimonda, thank you for your help yesterday. I finally opened a new bug #538764. Anyone may feel free to comment.17:31
ellarubottu, bug#53876417:31
happyfaceamit1_: thanks anyway but it's a lost cause.. nobody has been able to fix this problem for a month or so, so i guess its time to reinstall17:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538764 in gvfs "gvfsd-(sftp/ftp) hang on 100%CPU if they try to read password from gnome-keyring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53876417:31
duffydackwhat happend to the U1 icon in panel when synchronising?17:35
Boondoklifeduffydack: I was wondering the same thing, dont even get the dbus message telling you it is updating files. I dont care to see the icon but the info bubble was nice.17:38
duffydackits only with netspeed/looking at my router, I know its updating17:39
BoondoklifeIf I am in the folder the file is updating I see the check change to the reload then back to the check, other than that I have to use u1sdtool to see what is going on.17:42
duffydackI like the fact I can right click a folder and set it to sync with U1.. rather than have to copy the files/folders to U1 folder.17:44
BoondoklifeYea, That is a very nice addition, along with the machine accounts now being part of the applet17:45
Boondoklifehave you got evolution to work with it on lucid yet?17:45
Boondoklifethe contact part atleast17:45
duffydacknot tried.17:46
xfactHello I really want to upgrade to 10.04 because I want to test it with some regular wars like music, and web browsing I do, do you think it's stable enough for me?17:47
xfact*works17:47
duffydackive sync`d my pics folder but its not showing anything on the webpage17:47
BoondoklifeThat is the only part that seems to be lacking at this point. Well the bookmarks in firefox would be nice but last time i tried that it was a disaster.17:47
balasi can't get my CMI8788 chipset sound card to work in lucid17:47
Italian_Plumbernot unless you don't care if your machine becomes unusable and you lose all your data17:48
xfactplease suggest17:48
Italian_Plumberthat's the worst that could happen, but you get the idea17:48
Boondoklifexfact: I use it every day and have not had any real major issues. Every now and then there is a change that I have to wait for the repo's to catch up on. But overall the system is stable for me.17:48
xfactItalian_Plumber, Is that happened already in 10.04?17:49
Boondoklifexfact: like Italian_Plumber said, do make sure you have your data backed up though.17:49
Boondoklifexfact: data loss is a just a fact of life with computers if you dont have a proper backup17:49
Italian_PlumberI don't know... I'm only testing the live CD, not a real installation.  I haven't had any major problems.17:49
yofelxfact: I haven't lost data yet, but pylmouth did make my system unsusable (thanks to an issue with my nvidia card) until I purged it from a live session chroot17:50
Boondoklifexfact: Only real issue I had was with plymouth but I just removed it till it becomes a little more stable. weird login/logout bug17:50
Italian_PlumberI only use desktop as a Live CD -- something to get me totally away from the work-issued windows installation on my laptop17:50
Boondoklifeati here17:50
xfactBoondoklife, Well, I am just home user so I do not have any 'important' data, and I really like the thrill of testing the premature releases, the only problem is I do not know much then error reporting via apport, so is that ok to upgrade?17:52
xfactI want to be assure before taking the 'risk' "|17:52
Boondoklifexfact: If you are asking my opinion, go for it! the error reporting is not that hard, but it is not required.17:52
xfactThanks and cheers Boondoklife17:52
yofelxfact: first, get yourself a daily live disk and see if it works at all for you17:53
Boondoklifexfact: likewise mate.17:53
yofelxfact: if you then decide to install/upgrade come again, we'll be here to help ;)17:53
xfactyofel, No I am just directly upgrading from Karmic to Lucid vai 'update-manager -d'17:54
xfact*via17:54
Boondoklifexfact: That may not be too good of an idea.17:54
yofelxfact: ok, but it is sometimes a good idea to have a live disk ready if you need it17:55
yofelBoondoklife: why not? we need upgrade testing too17:55
Boondoklifexfact: nothing crazy should happen but I have run into apps acting a lil weird after doing an upgrade like that17:55
Boondoklifeyofel: For the sake of uptime I was refering17:55
xfactOk if consequently my system gets blocked, then will I able to reinstall karmic Koala?17:56
yofelwell yes, reinstalling is usually safer than upgrading, but how is upgrading supposed to be safe if nobody tests it?17:56
yofelxfact: if you reinstall the system certainly17:56
xfactand also by upgrading I am getting the next release with all existing updates17:57
Boondoklifeyofel: point taken on the upgrade. But I just try to suit my answers to what I think the person is asking for. In his case I was thinking uptime would be wanted.17:57
yofelBoondoklife: ack17:58
* xfact 14 yrs old kid should wait for at least beta 1 cause maybe he is taking a fast decision! 17:58
Boondoklifexfact: Yea upgrades get you to the new version and all updates, but you can always run the update manager again to double check.17:58
xfactYup17:58
Boondoklifexfact: heh I remember killing a sound card when I was 14. I was pissed. Bent some of the onboard cdrom pins.17:59
woRgthere is a way to downgrade?17:59
yofelwoRg: No17:59
BoondoklifewoRg: reinstall of course silly17:59
xfactI am already running Lucid in my Vbox, and it's stable18:00
Boondoklifexfact: really the only diff will be any hardware issues.18:00
Boondoklifexfact: but like yofel said give the livecd a go. If all runs good then you could try to upgrade. worst case you have the install cd already and can reinstall 10.04 from scratch18:01
xfactBoondoklife, yup, that maybe, how is the nvidia 190 driver is that stable?18:01
Boondoklifexfact: I have not tested out a nvidia box yet, well I have one but the live cd wont load up. Just black screens after I choose to install or try first.18:02
xfactMy live cd is the first release of alpha and so it's old18:02
yofelxfact: nvidia-current is 195 at the moment18:02
woRgBoondoklife: I know that reinstall it's the 'better way', also I know that using alpha state software brings his own troubles, but I'm still wondering if with all the power of apt why there's not a way to downgrade?18:02
Boondoklifexfact: Download the latest live cd iamge to be safe18:02
xfactWhere to download a recent live cd image of lucid lynx?18:03
BoondoklifewoRg: Im with you on that one, but Im sure there is a real reason for it.18:03
yofelxfact: It works fine on my nvidia quadro nvs 140m and my geforce 7300GT, but that's all I can say18:03
xfactfrom the daily builds?18:03
yofel!daily > xfact18:03
ubottuxfact, please see my private message18:03
xfactDaily or daily-live? I have two links18:03
yofelxfact: daily-live18:04
caravenaHello, ubuntu-bug not work fine https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/53876918:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538769 in apport "message: Network problem" [Undecided,New]18:04
yofelxfact: daily is the alternate cd18:04
xfactok18:04
yofelcaravena: known issue18:04
yofelcaravena: I'll mark your bug a duplicate of bug 53809718:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538097 in launchpad "Apport cannot connect to crash database" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53809718:05
yofelcaravena: the admins will look at it tomorrow18:05
caravenayofel, ok18:05
xfactWell, Thanks yofel and Boondoklife18:06
Boondoklifexfact: no worries and have fun with it!18:06
yofelxfact: you're welcome18:06
xfactCan you please suggest a gui based easy to use backup tool for backing up my home folder anyway?18:07
penguin42xfact: Just doing a search how about sbackup - never tried it though18:09
Boondoklifexfact: I have used backintime and it works great, but dejadupe is supposed to be good too18:10
xfactBoondoklife, I tried DejaDup but it's saving the backed up data in thousands of files each of 5 MBs, flood!18:12
Boondoklifeouch, yea try backintime. I dont think it does that18:12
Boondoklifelemme hit my file server and check18:12
duffydackwith ambiance, I dont like the hightlighted applications in panel colour, makes it hard to see what the app icon/text is.. its a lot 'less' using ambiance in karmic.18:12
xfactok18:13
wolterHi, can I get a 32bit cd image of lucid?18:14
yofelwolter: sure, the i386 one18:14
wolteryofel, where can i download isos from?18:15
wolteri say it because i have 64bit version now, and a terminal upgrade would give me 64bit lucid too18:15
yofel!dialy | wolter18:16
yofel!daily | wolter18:17
ubottuwolter: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/18:17
wolterthanks yofel18:17
Boondoklifexfact: backintime just makes a dupe of the files, same structure of the source18:17
duffydackBoondoklife, btw, the option to enable contact updating is greyed out in U118:17
xfacthumm18:18
Boondoklifeduffydack: Yea I noticed that. I wonder why though.18:18
Boondoklifexfact: you could always just tar up the directory18:18
duffydackBoondoklife, I setup evolution using a backup.tar I made in evolution in karmic..   evolution keeps hanging..18:19
xfactBoondoklife, good idea :)18:19
Boondoklifehmm I didnt back mine up as I use imap for my email. But When I try to get to the ubuntuone contacts it just tells me it cant get to the server.. bummer18:20
* xfact observing this chat room for getting a concept of what kind of potential threat he may face! 18:20
wolterhm, now i'm having doubts about if to use 32 bit or 64...18:21
wolterfirst off, does the default i386 iso include pae option for +4 GB RAM?18:21
xfactwolter, If you have less then 4GB ram, then you should use 32 bit18:21
wolterI have 4GB RAM18:22
BoondoklifeI really love the ubuntuone server but wish they had an intermediate plan. Like 10GB for $2 or something I just dont need 50GB.18:22
wolterAnd I've been using 64bit all the way18:22
xfactwolter, Yup then 64 bit is good18:22
duffydackBoondoklife, ah... maybe you need to put the contacts in the Couchdb/U1 section in evo18:22
wolterso don't worry about that, I just want to know, is compiling code a lot slower in 32bit? And video decoding/encoding? How about general performance, does it change much?18:22
penguin42wolter: Generally things are a bit faster, most stuff there isn't a vast difference, but some things really fly with 64bit18:24
penguin42very occasionally there is something faster in 32bit18:24
duffydackBoondoklife, nah its not done anything...  there is still nothing displayed on the webpage, even tho I have 73meg thee.18:24
duffydackthere*18:24
Boondoklifeduffydack: hmm.. well It just might be disabled for some reason. Or they are working on it.18:25
xfactBye, gotta give it a try18:26
duffydackuh, now only my documents folder is set to sync, not pictures. I keep setting it but the icons arent changing to identify wether its sync`d or not.18:28
ryeis there something wrong with lp/apport reporting? Can't file anything - Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection.18:31
ryelaunchpad status page does not say anything18:31
yofelrye: known18:33
yofel bug 53809718:33
jakubohi, plymouth is broken, doesnt find a file18:33
yofeljakubo: mountall doesn't find libplymouth...?18:34
jakubocorrect18:34
yofeljakubo: see topic please18:34
yofelbug 53829218:34
yofeljakubo: an update should fix it18:34
jakubook thanks18:34
jakuboyes, but its unbootable18:34
yofelnice... bye ubottu :'(18:34
ZykoticK9jakubo, for a step-by-step on how to fix with the livecd see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/quick-fixes18:35
jakuboand i got home and root partitions on separate drives18:35
jakubooh, so its just a missing link18:36
jakubothats good18:36
orion_SuNhelp18:40
orion_SuNstart firefox >>>>> firefox18:41
orion_SuNAttempting to load the system libmoon18:41
orion_SuNSegmentation fault (core dumped)18:41
orion_SuNhelp ,me !18:41
ZykoticK9orion_SuN, just to test I'd try firefox without plugins/config etc. -- from your home directory "mv .mozilla mozilla_backup" then try restarting firefox (undo change with "mv mozilla_backup .mozilla") - i believe libmoon has something to do with Mono/Silverlight18:43
yofelZykoticK9: that won't help if he installed the mono package from the repository, as that will be in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/18:46
ZykoticK9orion_SuN, see yofel comment above.  Thanks yofel.18:47
yofelorion_SuN: can you try what ZykoticK9 said and purge moonlight-plugin-mozilla and moonlight-plugin-core if it still doesn't work?18:47
orion_SuN:))) work perfekt18:48
orion_SuN how to put it back18:49
orion_SuNmoonlight-plugin-core18:49
Azelphurtrying to install lucid on a laptop from cd, I get the ubuntu splash screen, then it goes black screen with the backlight off and hangs18:50
Azelphurany ideas?18:50
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* Azelphur pokes the smart people18:56
robin0800Azelphur: lspci look for network controller18:57
* Azelphur boots it up in karmic to get that18:58
Azelphuraww, he's gone D:18:59
Azelphurit's an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network connection (Rev 05)19:00
IdleOneany issues with flash not working?19:03
* IdleOne can't get any flash to run19:03
BUGabundowfm IdleOne19:04
IdleOneBUGabundo: you using the flashplugin-installer?19:05
BUGabundoyes19:05
IdleOnehmmm19:05
IdleOneI just did an upgrade to lucid but flash is not happy19:06
bjsniderBUGabundo, seen any chromium bugs related to dns resolving in the past week?19:06
orion_SuNnow install vlc ?19:06
orion_SuNThe following packages have unmet dependencies:19:08
orion_SuN  vlc: Depends: vlc-nox (= 1.1.0+svn20100222-gitb3e2929~ppa5~karmic1) but it is not going to be installed19:08
orion_SuN       Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse (= 1.1.0+svn20100222-gitb3e2929~ppa5~karmic1) but it is not going to be installed19:08
orion_SuNE: Broken packages19:08
orion_SuNorion@orion:~$19:08
orion_SuN????19:09
BUGabundobjsnider: not exatly19:09
BUGabundowhat are you looking for?19:09
IdleOneBUGabundo: reinstalling flashplugin-installer fixed the issue :)19:09
bjsnideri've just been having trouble with it resolving sites the past few days19:09
BUGabundoit happened to me19:09
bjsnidercould be an isp issue i'm not sure19:09
BUGabundoto two sites from work19:09
BUGabundobut home laptop always fine19:10
bjsnideryou've had that problem?19:10
BUGabundobut I atributed it to work firewall19:10
BUGabundobtaccel.com would not open19:10
BUGabundoand some other site19:10
BUGabundoI though the sites were down, until I tried it remotelly from home19:11
BUGabundobjsnider: two sites in so many, I can't really pinpoint it to browser prob19:11
BUGabundobut Monday, ill test with lynks and FF19:11
phillwHi, I know it is a bug, but as I don't know the package, or who else it affects... Independant of browser / IRC programme, every so often when I click in the middle of it to bring it to the front, it just closes ... which is somewhat annoying -- has any one else been sufferring from this ?19:13
phillwit == tab19:13
om26erthat would go for gtk ?19:15
Some_PersonWhy the hell is lucid's close button not in the corner?!19:44
IdleOnelook on the other side19:45
Some_PersonIt's 3rd from the end19:45
Some_PersonDoesn't follow the conventions of any other OS AFAIK19:45
ZykoticK9Some_Person, if you don't like there left side buttons (and prefer the old layout) you may want to add yourself to bug #53263319:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532633 in metacity "[light-theme] please revert the order of the window controls back to "menu:minimize,maximize,close"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53263319:46
ryeSome_Person, why should it be at the corner, btw? I am not asking this to start some kind of flamewar, but I'm just interested why this is thought as being a stable convention, about the close button ?19:46
Some_PersonAt the very least, the close button should be in the corner. I usually lazily move my cursor to the corner and click whatever's there. Now if I do that, it maximizes/minimizes19:47
ZykoticK9rye, I'm with Some_Person on this -- even on the left side i would prefer close,min,max - but that breaks the default theme19:47
Some_PersonI don't really care which corner, it just should be in one19:47
ryeZykoticK9, re: breaks - the sprites are broken?19:48
ZykoticK9rye, yup - because of the design they cant be used out-of-order or they look wrong19:48
IdleOnegconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string  "menu:close,minimize,maximize"19:49
ZykoticK9rye, "breaks" is too strong a word really19:49
ryeZykoticK9, I understood what you mean :)19:49
IdleOneerr , not :19:49
Some_PersonIdleOne: Now they're in the right corner, but the close button still is 3rd from the end!19:50
penguin42my problem is that this change isn't part of the theme; I dislike the change but if it was just part of a new theme then I'd be happy because it would be an easy way to switch if you disliked it19:50
IdleOneSome_Person: haha ok19:50
ryepenguin42, so all themes start drawing buttons at the left?19:50
IdleOnethen use menu:minize,maximize,close19:50
Some_PersonIdleOne: Like I said, I don't care which corner, as long as the close button is at the end19:50
ryehmm19:50
ZykoticK9Some_Person, use "gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close""19:50
penguin42rye: Yeh, changing your theme won't revert the button position19:50
ZykoticK9Some_Person, one too man " at the end there19:51
Some_PersonThanks, that worked19:51
Some_PersonNow you'll have to tell me that again once I have this thing installed19:51
IdleOneSome_Person: you could also use menu,close,maximize,minimize if you want them on the left19:51
ryehm, actually I liked the new button layout but I haven't actually checked whether that affects all themes.19:52
Some_PersonEh, I'm used to them being on the right19:52
IdleOneclose button would be in far left corner19:52
IdleOneok19:52
ZykoticK9rye, it does - button layout is not a theme setting19:52
xxploitany1 else keep getting a crash report upon login refering to telepathy-butterfly?19:52
Some_PersonI'm just saying that if the ubuntu devs want it on the left, that's fine with me. I just want the close button on the end19:52
BoondoklifeSome_Person: I like the order it is now cause it makes a bit of sence. Big, little, gone19:53
Some_PersonUrgh, why is the ubuntu installer not detecting my SD card?19:54
Some_PersonGParted sees it19:55
Some_PersonOddly though, both GParted and the installer see a partition-less HD19:55
Some_Person"Unable to open /dev/sda read-write  (Read-only file system)"20:00
Some_Person*sdb20:00
Some_PersonWhat the hell does that mean? /dev/sdb is my SD card20:00
ryeZykoticK9, ah - "it's worth noting though that the order should apply only to light themes, it doesn't now but the issue will be fixed for lucid". Ok, I am no longer worrying :)20:01
ZykoticK9rye, where did you find that statement?20:01
ryeZykoticK9, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/3920:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532633 in metacity "[light-theme] please revert the order of the window controls back to "menu:minimize,maximize,close"" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:01
ZykoticK9rye, ya - i wouldn't hold your breath on that one...20:02
ryeZykoticK9, I like the new layout and ordering, but I just find it a bit wrong to break all other, non-Light themes. However, it is still a month and a half until the final release20:03
Some_PersonWhy is /dev/sdb read-only?20:04
ZykoticK9rye, well we'll both have to wait and see what happens20:04
Some_PersonHoly crap, I am an idiot. The lock switch was on on the SD card20:06
Boondoklifelol it is always something simple20:07
BoondoklifeI do like that tweak ubuntu now lets you change the button positions20:08
ZykoticK9Boondoklife, Occam's razor :)20:08
BoondoklifeZykoticK9: cut myself on the lil so-and-so plenty of times!20:09
Some_PersonIf the buttons are kept in their current default positions, I will make a PPA to fix it20:14
Some_PersonIt'll have a tweaked version of light-theme, with the buttons made to look right with the old layout, and it'll automatically run that thing to move them to the right in the old order20:15
BUGabundoSome_Person: you only need to run a gconf key to change them back20:16
BUGabundowhy use a PPA for it ?20:16
Some_PersonBut they don't look quite right20:16
BUGabundolook fine for me20:16
Some_PersonThe minimize is in a little box of its own20:16
BUGabundocorrect20:16
BUGabundodoesn't affect me20:16
BUGabundotalk to the guy in charge20:16
Some_PersonThe PPA can fix that20:16
BUGabundocjohnston ^^^^^20:16
cjohnstonwhos the guy in charge?20:17
cjohnstonSome_Person: here is my request.. if this is something in your abilities20:18
cjohnstonI personally like the new theme.. but..20:18
cjohnstonin the preferences > appearances dialog, allow a user to check left or right for the buttons and title text20:18
BUGabundocjohnston: that's not what he is talking about20:19
BUGabundo(2010-03-14 20:16:32) Some_Person: The minimize is in a little box of its own20:19
BUGabundothis is!20:19
Some_Personcjohnston: I don't think that's something I could do20:19
Some_PersonMy programming knowledge is very limited20:19
cjohnstonok.. maybe i didnt scroll back far enough20:19
Some_PersonA few graphical changes and running a command is easy, but I can't do GUI design yet20:20
cjohnstongotcha20:21
Some_PersonI could make a command line program to switch it, though since there's already a gconf command, that would be kinda pointless20:21
cjohnstonya20:27
Some_Person"An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed"20:27
cjohnstonmake what ya can and attach it to the bug report if you would20:28
JEEBsvHmm, I've installed the LAMP stack onto my current lucid install and I don't get PHP scripts ran with mod_userdir20:33
JEEBsvAnyone else had this problem? I just need a little LAMP playground on my laptop to test/dev some stuff :320:34
dutchieJEEBsv: iirc, PHP is disabled in user dirs by default20:37
dutchiethere's a config option to tweak somewhere I think20:37
JEEBsvhmm, it certainly IIRC wasn't disabled in 9.10 but I'll google some on settings20:38
JEEBsvbleh, I'll try to re-install the lamp package first via tasksel >_>20:48
JEEBsvok, found the solution via a cached google result... but I don't think commenting the whole ifmodule part in php5.conf is a _GOOD_ idea >_>20:58
JEEBsvphp works now, but it sure as hell doesn't feel like a good solution20:58
acamargohey! I added Partner repository and that updated sun-java* packages. but, firefox still haven't java plugin. any clue?21:05
yofelacamargo: bug 53217421:06
acamargounfortunately for me, no java means no homebanking :-)21:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532174 in sun-java6 "[Lucid] sun-java6-plugin not recognized by firefox anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53217421:06
yofelacamargo: there's a workaround21:06
histoAnyone having an issue with their laptop battery charging?21:07
acamargoyofel, great! I'm going there to see21:07
histoacamargo: theres a reason its alpha21:07
acamargohisto, yes I know ;-)21:08
yofelacamargo: 'sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so'21:08
acamargohisto, we need to test alpha, right?21:09
acamargohehe21:09
histoacamargo: Yeah but you were saying that it meant no home banking for you.21:09
histoacamargo: hopefully you have an alternative to run to get to your banking21:09
BUGabundothe parner repo has sun java??21:09
* BUGabundo goes try it21:09
yofelBUGabundo: since about a week or 2 ago yes21:09
BUGabundoI never enable it21:10
acamargohisto, I'm trying to say that's important. I'm sorry21:10
DaemonikDoes the Lucid installer support nilfs?21:10
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histoacamargo: ahh21:13
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histoDaemonik: I don't remember seeing it as an option. But I really wasn't lookign for it.21:14
happyfaceshould lucid lynx auto mount usb drives?21:17
Daemonikhmm21:18
DaemonikHow difficult would it be to debootstrap and make my own initrd etc to use nilfs2?21:18
AngryParsleyis there some way to close notifications? clicking on them does nothing21:21
AngryParsleyhovering makes them blurry, but it's still hard to read any text underneath them21:22
yofelAngryParsley: no, that's just how notify-osd is designed21:22
AngryParsleycan I disable notifications for certain apps? I don't really need a notification telling me my battery is discharging21:23
benje2hello where is define the sample rate for sound card in lucid ?21:24
benje2do you know problem with alsactl even with sudo that it cannot write to sound devices21:25
acamargoyofel, creating that symbolic link fixed your java plugin on firefox?21:26
yofelacamargo: it did here, if it doesn't for you then check if it's listed in about:plugins in firefox21:26
yofelacamargo: maybe you'll have to remove the icedtea plugin21:27
tcsoccermannot the iced tea!21:28
acamargoyofel, I created the link, but it doesn't show in about:plugins. I'll investigate icedtea21:29
benje2alsactl doesn-t work when pusleaudio is active21:29
crimsunbenje2: yes it does.21:29
yofelacamargo: 'ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so' shows something like this?21:30
yofel0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2010-02-25 21:52 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so21:30
benje2crimsun: the restore control said operation not permitted even with sudo21:30
yofelacamargo: and you do have sun-java6-plugin installed?21:30
benje2i have to unistall pulseaudio crimsun21:31
crimsunbenje2: please get me an strace -f21:31
acamargoyofel, yep twice :-)21:32
acamargoyofel, no icedtea installed here21:32
yofelo.O21:32
benje2crimsun: ok i install pulse again , envy24control cannot change the sample rate too do you know where is it store21:32
acamargoyofel, I always used sun packages21:32
yofelacamargo: oh, I don't know how they work21:33
benje2crimsun: i have many problem with audio21:33
acamargoyofel, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 64 2009-09-11 08:11 /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so right?21:33
benje2crimsun: i presume you want it in "lang C"21:33
benje2?21:33
yofelacamargo: here's what I have: 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 2010-02-25 21:52 /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so21:34
crimsunbenje2: yes, using LANG=C21:34
acamargoyofel, hum... let's see21:35
Some_PersonOk, I've finally got Lucid up and running21:35
benje2crimsun: with mainline kernel ?21:35
yofelacamargo: what do you get if you run this? update-alternatives --list mozilla-javaplugin.so21:35
crimsunbenje2: sure, whatever.21:36
benje2crimsun: the ubuntu kernel21:37
acamargoyofel, /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so21:37
yofelacamargo: hm, what version of sun-java6-jre do you have installed?21:38
benje2crimsun: for the mutiple audio card i see that clock is on spdif by default wxith snd_ice1712 too and interface or jack cannot change them21:39
benje2i came back21:39
alex-weejhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/53724121:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 537241 in dpkg "My computer updates are very slow since latest dpkg update" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:41
alex-weejanyone else seeing this? dpkg is just taking forEVER21:41
yofelalex-weej: yep21:41
kklimondaalex-weej: yes, it's a know problem21:41
alex-weejany known workaround?21:42
alex-weejthis has had 3 hours to do an update now21:42
acamargoyofel, 6.18-221:42
alex-weejkinda bored21:42
yofelacamargo: then I don't know, could be because I'm using the debian package, not the one from the partner repos, but it *should* work21:42
acamargoyofel, np. thank you! I'm going to research a bit more21:43
crimsunalex-weej: it's intentional due to the fsync changes.21:45
alex-weejbut there is a fix on the roadmap...?21:45
crimsunalex-weej: debian #430958, bug #51209621:45
ubottuDebian bug 430958 in dpkg "dpkg should call fsync() before rename()" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/43095821:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 512096 in dpkg "[MASTER] Exec format error : package failed to install/remove : installation/removal script returned error exit status 2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51209621:45
crimsunalex-weej: please check the bugs for dpkg; I don't know offhand21:46
alex-weeji just upgraded to lucid today to test and it's been going over 3 hours now21:46
yofelalex-weej: the performance tests and analyzing is still being done and it will be optimized at some point, but for now data integrity is more important than performance21:47
yofelalex-weej: but it might very well be that we'll have to wait for the proper fix from the debian developers for that to happen21:48
AngryParsleyis there a way to show the battery % in the indicator applet thingy? right now I just see a small battery icon that slowly drains21:49
benje2crimsun : http://paste.ubuntu.com/395324/ dmesg + alsactl restore +strace -f aslactl restore21:53
benje2for the lucid kernel21:53
crimsunbenje2: I'm pretty busy ATM21:53
Some_PersonHow likely do y'all think it is that Lucid's buttons will be restored to the proper order?21:53
Some_Person(before release)21:53
benje2erf i do it again with lang=C21:54
happyfaceubottu, bug#53829221:58
acamargoyofel, hey... link for libnpjp2.so worked21:58
acamargoyofel, nice! homebanking working fine21:58
yofelacamargo: :)21:58
ZykoticK9happyface, use a space like, bug #5329221:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 53292 in launchpad-answers "Create/follow support requests through a mailing list" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5329221:59
happyfacethanks ZykoticK921:59
ZykoticK9happyface, guess ubottu is busy right now :)22:00
yofelbug 53829222:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538292 in plymouth "Latest plymouth update makes lucid stop at startup" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53829222:00
yofelhappyface: now ;)22:00
AtomicSparkIf you guys are using the ambience theme and have noticed a light gray "bar" next to the show desktop icon, unlock the window list, move it right, move it left, relock it. ??? Profit!22:01
AtomicSparkMuch better.22:01
AtomicSparkyofel: aren't alphas fun? :P22:02
yofelAtomicSpark: sure are :D22:02
ZykoticK9does the Apport bug 538097 affect Karmic as well?22:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538097 in launchpad "Apport cannot connect to crash database" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53809722:03
Some_PersonWhere is the button to swap nautilus's folder buttons with a location bar?22:03
benje2crimsun: alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=98856c5aa3f77e9485a5695744d7f7d04dbf70a322:03
yofelZykoticK9: it should, as it's the launchpad database that's broken22:03
ZykoticK9yofel, thanks22:03
AtomicSparkSome_Person: It doesnt exist. Control+L or use the location menu.22:03
AtomicSparkSome_Person: Why did they get rid of this? Who knows. :(22:03
Some_PersonIs there a way to permanently make it a location bar?22:04
AtomicSparkSome_Person: Er go menu, sorry.22:04
AtomicSparkSome_Person: I am not sure.22:04
AtomicSparkSome_Person: I dont see a preference for that.22:04
AtomicSparkSome_Person: Maybe gconf? :(22:05
Volkodav/etc/init.d/samba restart22:05
Volkodavbash: /etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory22:05
Volkodav??22:05
yofelVolkodav: smbd not samba22:05
Volkodavit is installed I know22:05
AtomicSparkVolkodav: tab complete!22:05
AtomicSparkVolkodav: try sudo service samba restart22:06
Volkodavwhy the change things around /22:06
Volkodav?22:06
yofelVolkodav: dunno, but yes, the proper way is 'sudo server smbd restart' now22:06
Volkodavservice samba restart22:06
Volkodavsamba: unrecognized service22:06
AtomicSparkVolkodav: What? It's just a shortcut command introduced a few releases ago. It's not a change.22:06
benje2Volkodav: shares-admin does samba is installed22:06
yofelVolkodav: argh, sry 'sudo service smbd restart'22:07
Volkodav service smbd restart22:07
Volkodavsmbd start/running, process 328822:07
AtomicSparkyay!22:07
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: I found the setting in gconf22:07
yofelbtw, 'dpkg -L samba' shows the name of the config files22:08
AtomicSparkSome_Person: Path por favor.22:08
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry22:08
AtomicSparkSome_Person: Nice!22:08
yofelVolkodav: also, lucid uses upstart and not sysvinit anymore to handle system services in case you didn't know22:09
Volkodavoh ok that's why - how is it better though ?22:09
AtomicSpark!upstart > Volkodav22:09
AtomicSparkNo ubottu :(22:10
yofelVolkodav: event driven model, can start things in parallel22:10
yofelmakes for a faster boot :)22:10
AtomicSparkVolkodav: Basically that, it's "faster"22:10
Some_PersonThis is very unintuative. What was wrong with the button anyway?22:10
yofelis horrible to configure though -.-22:10
AtomicSparkubottu: lag22:10
benje2erf still no sound with snd_ice171222:10
yofel!upstart > Volkodav22:11
AtomicSparkyofel: Shh. It's loading. Leave it alone. :(22:11
Volkodavthis faster thing makes you learn more commands:-D22:11
AtomicSparkBasically this http://upstart.ubuntu.com/22:11
Volkodavstill can't see the Mac directory22:11
yofelthat's at least the 3rd time today that ubottu timed out o.O22:11
Volkodavwindoze boxen see it ok though22:11
AtomicSparkHuh. more people use upstart than i remembered.22:12
AtomicSparkOld people hang onto that runlevel system. They want their server running in single user mode. :(22:13
yofelAtomicSpark: actually when it comes to a easy to configure server I would still use Lenny because it still has sysvinit22:13
ubottuVolkodav, please see my private message22:14
yofelat least until there's a sane way to configure upstart22:14
yofelfinally...22:14
AtomicSparkyofel: I love my Ubuntu Servers.22:14
Some_PersonAlso, why does ubuntu only come with 5 games?22:15
yofelAtomicSpark: I said, easy to configure, once you finally unstand how upstart works it's ok22:15
yofelAtomicSpark: but yeah, I do generally prefer ubuntu to debian :)22:15
yofelSome_Person: err.. you can find a lot more in the software center if you want them22:16
ZykoticK9Some_Person, if you're looking for one of the games from the old versions, i think they are still installed, just not in the menu22:16
AtomicSparkSome_Person: A lot of the games weren't maintained, ugly, and had usability issues.22:16
AtomicSparkSome_Person: So they purged them.22:16
AndyGraybealis Bacula going to be the preferred or recommended backup software in 10.04?  if not what program will be?22:16
AtomicSparkAndyGraybeal: I didn't know we had a preferred app :P22:16
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: Can they still be installed?22:17
AndyGraybealAtomicSpark: i'm not sure either, but Ubuntu 8.04 actually has documentation for Bacula, as opposed to Amanda or something.22:17
AtomicSparkSome_Person: Yes. Of course.22:17
AtomicSparkSome_Person: I was actually trying to add some commercial apps, but ran into licensing issues.22:18
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: what apps?22:18
leniosthere is no chance in the backup part in lucid22:18
AtomicSparkSome_Person: ID games, other games that have been ported. Either demos or linux "patchers"22:19
AtomicSparkSome_Person: But the packaging team doesnt assume. The must know. Ubuntu likes to stay legit.22:19
AtomicSparkSome_Person: So they wont host a game patcher just because it's on fileplanet, they have to make sure the license says they can.22:20
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: I don't think demos are a good idea22:20
ddecatorthere is a whole big process involving licenses and copyright22:20
AtomicSparkSome_Person: We already have shareware, why not? :P22:20
yofelhey ddecator22:20
AtomicSparkSome_Person: see rott22:21
xTheGoat121xSo, i'm reading a blog that mentions that Pidgin isn't minimizing to indicator-applet as it should, is that correct?22:21
ddecatorhey yofel =)22:21
AtomicSparkxTheGoat121x: They probably changed the plugin option or it wasn't set correctly in lucid.22:21
AtomicSparkEmpathy is looking pretty nice. I converted, so should you!22:21
xTheGoat121xAtomicSpark, well the reason I ask is b/c Pidgin is unstable for me in Karmic. Oh, and I can't stand Empathy -- I highly dislike the lack of CTRL-TAB22:22
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: Is rott not fully functional when you install it?22:22
AtomicSparkxTheGoat121x: i see what you mean. unstable how? are you having account issues?22:23
dupondjeEvening :)22:23
ZykoticK9xTheGoat121x, Pidgin is minimizing to the Notification Area ok on my system22:23
AtomicSparkSome_Person: It works fine for me. Only lets you get to the third level. It's the same demo that shipped with DN3D years back.22:23
xTheGoat121xAtomicSpark, to make as much of a long story as short as possible... Not account problems, it seems that occasionally, Pidgin will redirect new conversations to windows that don't exist (I can give a pastebin of a backtrace if you want it), and now, I can't close my buddy list without the program completely closing on me.22:24
Some_PersonI am pleased with the way empathy is improving at least22:25
Ganymedeso in karmic, i had to go through hoops and hurdles to get mozilla firefox and google-chrome beta (unsupported) to embed evince when viewing PDFs, is there any progress towards this on lucid? (i had to install mozplugger from ppa or cvs to work around a bug, then edit the mozplugger config file, and that's relatively complicated considering the research that went into figuring out the exact steps)22:25
AtomicSparkSome_Person: Yes, it still has a ways to go. It's too late in the game sadly, but I have a list of feature improvements. :P22:25
AtomicSparkSome_Person: But at least it's not so darned ugly anymore. :(22:26
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: And / commands work in IRC22:27
AndyGraybealAtomicSpark: it seemed when 8.04 was out that everyone was hinting towards using Bacula for backups.  i'm wondering if that is the same now as it was then.22:27
AtomicSparkAndyGraybeal: I use rsync :P22:27
AndyGraybealokay, thank you22:28
AtomicSparkAndyGraybeal: You could always try bestbot in #ubuntu-bots? I think that's the channel.22:29
AndyGraybealwow nice AtomicSpark  :)22:30
AtomicSparkAndyGraybeal: I use encrypted homes, not much works with that in my expeince. I need something that works with that or only backs up when the user is logged in.22:30
AndyGraybealAtomicSpark: interesting.  does it have some type of cataloging thing?22:31
AtomicSparkAndyGraybeal: I believe it just records the number of times someone types a word. Donno.22:31
Some_PersonThe default search engine is now yahoo?22:32
dupondjeSome_Person: yes22:33
Some_Personwhy?22:33
AngryParsleydoes it matter? the first thing I did was install chrome22:33
Some_PersonYou do know that Microsoft bought Yahoo's search backend, right?22:33
yofelSome_Person: because canonical earned some money by doing that22:33
ZykoticK9Some_Person, therefore Microsoft is indirectly funding Ubuntu usage22:34
benje2in empathy you cannot made a irc account in first screen, you have to create one proposed and after you can create it in menu,22:34
ZykoticK9benje2, that is a know "won't fix" issue22:34
AtomicSparkSome_Person: You pretty much wouldn't be using anything if you boycotted against something partnered with a "bad company".22:34
Andre_Gondimis there any news about report bug's problem?22:35
ZykoticK9Andre_Gondim, still not working ;)22:35
AtomicSparkAndyGraybeal: about launchpad being broken?22:35
benje2why ZykoticK9 people who want to use only irc cannot ?22:35
yofelAtomicSpark: nope, the admins well look at it once they get back to work tomorrow22:35
yofelerr Andre_Gondim ^^^22:35
benje2with empathy they have to get an other account before :/22:35
ZykoticK9benje2, the upstream Empathy people feel irc if very poorly supported in there program so...22:35
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: true22:36
benje2ZykoticK9: but this is proposed after stange thingsd22:36
AtomicSparkZykoticK9: Honestly? I dont even know why they're trying. IM clients have never been good at IRC.22:36
ZykoticK9AtomicSpark, +122:36
AtomicSparkThey should focus on making the IM part better. :P22:36
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: +122:36
yofelAtomicSpark: +122:36
Some_PersonUbuntu should just come with a decent IRC client22:37
AtomicSparkI know. I am teh awesome.22:37
VolkodavXchat22:37
AtomicSparkSome_Person: The problem is it doesnt. I hear it used to.22:37
kklimondaare there any known problems with open radeon driver?22:37
AtomicSparkThey'd put in xchat-gnome which is :(22:37
* yofel notes that kubuntu comes with quassel by default22:37
Andre_Gondimand, any one has a problem with gwibber? I didn't see any update at main windows22:37
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: I've heard that too, but I don't recall it ever coming with one since I started with breezy22:37
kklimondalike it not being used at all with Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/4M69e5VD22:38
AtomicSparkkklimonda: HD cards work well. as far as gaming? some games dont play, some do only to a certain quality setting.22:38
AtomicSparkSome_Person: Kubuntu ships with something afaik22:38
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: Yep, Konversation22:38
yofelAtomicSpark Some_Person, kubuntu includes quassel atm22:38
Some_Personok, so they changed. but it still comes with something intended for IRC alone, right?22:39
yofelSome_Person: yes, quassel is irc only22:39
yofelSome_Person: pretty nice, but lacks DCC support22:39
Some_PersonWhy not include something in ubuntu?22:39
AtomicSparkThe issue probably comes from xchat breaking Gnome HIG, not working with indicator applet. And xchat-gnome is so oudated it's not even funny.22:40
yofelSome_Person: no idea, propose a few apps on brainstorm maybe22:40
yofelhm, could be22:40
* yofel doesn't know any GTK apps for IRC besides xchat22:41
AtomicSparkLearnid would be nice if they made it generic so that you could also have a "support" version, so it asks you for a username and then connects you to #ubuntu, etc.22:41
yofelwe could include chatzilla XD22:41
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Volkodavpidgin22:41
AtomicSparkVolkodav: No.22:41
Volkodav?22:42
Volkodavit is in xubuntu22:42
yofelVolkodav: they intentionally dropped pidgin, so I doubt that22:42
kermiacyofel: are you using quassel on lucid?22:42
yofelkermiac: yees22:42
yofel*yes22:42
yofelkermiac: git head thoug22:42
kermiaccan you highlight text?22:42
Some_PersonInclude Xchat, but disable the tray icon?22:42
yofel*though22:42
Volkodavdropped in ubuntu to move to xubuntu ?22:42
Volkodavmakes no sense22:42
AtomicSparkForce the users to use irssi, if they get scared and use a different distor, then we're all for the better. Natrual selection I calls it.22:42
Volkodavweechat22:43
benje2does someone know how to change clock source for audiocard ?22:43
yofelkermiac: I'll install the client and try in a moment22:43
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: No! I don't tend to like text-based IRC clients22:43
Volkodavis decent22:43
kermiacok, ty yofel22:43
AtomicSparkSome_Person: But IRC is text. It makes sense. ):22:43
AtomicSparkOoo. Have you noticed Software Center's theme yet?22:44
yofelkermiac: ok, highlight in what way?22:44
kermiacyofel: I'm using quassel-client-qt4: 0.6~rc1+git100312-0ubuntu122:44
kermiacsorry, i just want to select text to copy & paste22:44
kermiaccan select text22:44
Some_PersonXchat seems like the most logical one to include. It's popular, has a GUI, and has a good featureset22:45
AtomicSparkOh lawd. Flash is back. :(22:45
kermiacs/can/can't22:45
* kermiac tries to wake up his fingers22:45
AtomicSparkLemme install xchat and I'll tell you what's wrong with it.22:45
Some_PersonI'm using Xchat now22:46
yofelkermiac: o.O If I select text and: click somewhere: no copy in menu / click on the selected text: copy there in menu22:46
AtomicSparkSome_Person: which version do you have installed?22:46
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: Whatever's in the repository22:46
kermiacyofel: ok, thanks. I can't even select the text :(22:46
Some_PersonCurrently, in my lucid install, I have 2.8.622:47
yofelah, that's the same in the git head22:47
yofelkermiac: o.O, that works here22:47
* kermiac shrugs22:47
AtomicSparkSome_Person: there is xchat and xchat-gnome, main vs universe22:47
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: Not xchat-gnome22:47
Some_Personregular xchat22:48
kermiaconly thing I may have done differently is using --no-recommends to keep kde libs of my computer22:48
kermiacyofel: I might pull in k3b so it will install kde libs & see if that helps22:48
yofelkermiac: can be, I use KDE so I can't really test that ^^22:49
AtomicSparkkermiac: not having recommends shouldn't break an application.22:49
yofelindeed22:49
kermiaci realise that... but I don't know what else *may* have caused it22:49
kermiacah. k3b doesn't pull in the kde libs anymore,lol22:51
Some_PersonAtomicSp*rk: So what's wrong with Xchat?22:52
yofelSome_Person: they probably won't include something from universe in the default installation22:52
solid_liqI can't believe there haven't been any updates to apt in > 24 hours22:53
solid_liqbut, it's running nice and stable for me right now, so I'm not complaining :)22:53
yofelsolid_liq: well, we do have beta1freeze in effect and it's weekend :)22:53
AtomicSp0rkDoesnt seem to support Indicator Applet. Canonical wont include it until a plugin is made (I'm not familiar with it's pluginability) or the functionality is added.22:53
solid_liqyofel, oh, so that's why!  :D22:53
AtomicSp0rkUgh, xchats tab complete is annoying.22:53
Some_PersonAtomicSp*rk: Anything else wrong with it?22:53
solid_liqyofel, I don't think the weekend part is an issue though.  I had lots of updates come in last weekend22:53
solid_liqAtomicSp0rk, it's configurable22:54
AtomicSp0rkSome_Person, It probably doesnt support libnotify either.22:54
AtomicSp0rkSome_Person, but it not being in main doesnt help. :P22:54
AtomicSp0rkbrb xchat-gnome22:54
yofellast time I tried xchat-gnome I found it horrible22:55
Some_PersonI hate xchat-gnome22:55
yofelit just doesn't feel right if you've used xchat before it22:55
Some_PersonI actually tried xchat-gnome first and hated it22:55
solid_liqyeah, xchat-gnome sucks22:56
AtomicSp0rkThe UI looks better. :\22:56
yofeloh nice, my ubuntu hardy upgrade test just gave a package error in KVM, hahahaaahaaaaa.... *sigh*22:56
solid_liqthe original xchat is much better22:56
Some_PersonAtomicSp0rk: That's the only good thing about it22:56
solid_liqAtomicSp0rk, I like "last-spoke order" for tab completion22:57
AtomicSp0rkSome_Person, also doesnt break the HIG. Still lacks other support though.22:57
solid_liqirssi is also nice if you find that you don't like xchat22:57
yofelI actually like irssi, used it in combination with screen+ssh for a while, but now that quassel does pretty much the same for me I only use it if I'm stuck in a tty22:58
AtomicSparkClosing xchat feels like it freezes :(22:58
solid_liqyeah, that's how I used to always use it too22:58
solid_liqI need to get my server up and running again before I do that again22:59
yofelthe bad thing about irssi is that the gui menu entry is only available if you install 'menu-xdg'22:59
AtomicSparkMenu?22:59
Some_PersonAtomicSpark: installing xchat-indicator adds basic indicator integration22:59
AtomicSparkWhy do you need a menu?22:59
yofelAtomicSpark: you don't need it, but someone once requested a .desktop entry and the debian folkes closed it with won't fix23:00
solid_liqheh, I actually made a set of libnotify scripts for irssi to have a remote irssi client running in screen put notifications on my desktop23:00
benje2it's in asound.state now i can change clocksource and switch to other than spdif23:02
solid_liqdjburns, are you tethered to your phone?23:02
pastyhermitCan someone explain to me what "Merge" and "Merge All" are referring to?23:03
pastyhermitits a very confusing terminology, does the file system now have version control?23:03
yofelpastyhermit: in what context?23:03
ZykoticK9!crosspost > pastyhermit23:03
ubottupastyhermit, please see my private message23:03
pastyhermitcan it merge ascii or binary files now when I copy them?23:03
djburnsSolid: Nope. On an irc app. Why?23:03
pastyhermitZykoticK9, sorry went to the wrong channel first23:03
solid_liqdjburns, the 't-mobile.co.uk' part when you joined made me curious23:04
pastyhermitubottu, in terms of nautilus23:04
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)23:04
ZykoticK9pastyhermit, ahhh - sorry all good then23:04
pastyhermitwill it merge the items at a file level? content level?23:04
pastyhermitIm confused... And I know alot about computers and linux ...23:04
djburnssolid_liq: fe23:04
solid_liqheh, just went to google...23:04
solid_liqhappy pi day!  lol23:04
pastyhermitIf my computer tells me that it is going to merge some files I think that it will combine both of those files at a content level.23:05
yofelhm, I don't get either why nautilus would want to merge stuff, execpt if its u1 related23:05
yofelpastyhermit: merge folders maybe?23:05
pastyhermityofel, I think it means "Replace" and "Replace All"23:05
pastyhermitbut I am not sure.23:05
pastyhermitBy the way the new theme is absolutely gorgeous23:05
yofelwell, merging folders isn't the same as replacing them23:05
yofelpastyhermit: oh, you like buttons on the left?23:06
pastyhermitthough I changed the background to something very similar that has a bit more color variations...23:06
pastyhermityofel, yes the nautilus buttons23:06
yofelpastyhermit: I meant the window buttons, max/min/close23:06
pastyhermitno, the "Merge" and "Merge All" do not appear where the max/min/close buttons appear23:09
pastyhermityofel, I changed the background as in the wallpaper to something that I found on deviant art.23:09
IdleOneI absolutely love how the backgrounds fade in when you select a different one :)23:12
NullEntityHas anyone gotten Java applets working in Lucid?23:13
ZykoticK9NullEntity, it's currently a bug see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/53217423:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532174 in sun-java6 "[Lucid] sun-java6-plugin not recognized by firefox anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed]23:13
NullEntityHuh, I didn't think it was a Lucid bug.23:14
yofelNullEntity: yep, as I said on the bug, you need to fix a  symlink for sun-java6 and firefox23:14
yofelNullEntity: or use the icedtea6-plugin from openjdk23:14
solid_liqI love the group and tab plugin for compiz23:20
solid_liqI just played with it for the first time23:20
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ddbthello, does anyone know whether the new ubuntu UI look gets an update/bugfix before the actual release?23:24
yofelddbt: bugfix? what's broken?23:25
ddbtwell, nothing is really broken, but there are still some things left to polish23:26
ddbtlike the "squared" rounded corners.. the "background" of the 3 buttons, whenever there is only one.. (the close button)23:26
ddbtetc.23:27
ddbtlittle things23:27
pastyhermityofel, any idea?23:27
yofelpastyhermit: nope, sry, haven't used nautilus in a while23:27
ZykoticK9ddbt, you can see currently working on bugs regarding light at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes23:28
pastyhermityofel, :D23:28
pastyhermitlet me guess... fluxbox for you :D23:28
yofelpastyhermit: nope, KDE :P23:28
ddbtwell thanks zykotick9!23:29
ddbtbut are these 'bugs' still relevant for the upcoming release.. since there has been a ui freeze23:30
ddbt?23:30
ZykoticK9pastyhermit, how are you getting this merge message?  if i use nautilus to copy to a folder with the same files - i just get the regular "overright" message23:31
yofelddbt: I hope they are, they duped the light theme on use one day before ui freeze... a bit short to test something23:31
pastyhermitZykoticK9, when I copy things from one folder to another in ubuntu23:31
ZykoticK9pastyhermit, i'm not getting that behaviour?23:32
pastyhermityofel, sorry no light theme for 10.4?23:32
NullEntityHow do I sudo-open a file browser?23:32
pastyhermitNullEntity, sudo -c "nautilus --no-desktop"23:33
yofelpastyhermit: no, I mean they pused the theme into the repos one day before ui freeze23:33
* yofel is getting tired23:33
yofel*pushed23:33
pastyhermitoh...23:34
* BUGabundo pulls yofel back23:34
pastyhermitso it will be there23:34
ZykoticK9NullEntity, "gksu nautilus" works for me (this is NOT recommended mind you, except in emergencies)23:34
pastyhermitits really nice...23:34
* yofel thanks BUGabundo :D23:34
pastyhermitnow I wont change the default theme everytime I sit infront of an ubuntu install :D23:34
BUGabundoyofel: don't you go leaving us, like bruce89 did23:34
BUGabundocause he , like many of us, disagree with upstream changes, and not caring to what we say23:35
NullEntityWell I just need to create that sym link. I just suck with the Terminal23:35
yofelBUGabundo: I do disagree with gnome, that's why I use KDE now, but I don't disagree enough with ubuntu to leave you guys ;)23:35
yofelNullEntity: it should be: 'sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so'23:36
NullEntityAnd then I need to remove that code chunk?23:38
yofelNullEntity: wait a moment23:38
yofelneed to check something23:38
yofelNullEntity: ok, try to run that command and see if it works23:39
NullEntityLink seems to be broken23:40
sqwertleI seem to be having troubles with nautilus and was wondering if anyone couild help me install a particular font?23:40
richthegeekhey guys, another day another issue23:41
yofelNullEntity: oh, wait, do you have a /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-1.9-javaplugin.so?23:41
NullEntityyeah, just found it23:41
richthegeekdefault scroll action on the volume-indicator applet has changed from +1 to +5... how do i revert this?23:41
yofelNullEntity: sorry, I use a different fix here so I made a mistake there23:41
NullEntityDo I need to link to that instead?23:42
yofelNullEntity: yes23:44
yofelNullEntity: I mean, if that file links to a libnpjp2.so then yes23:45
NullEntityThanks a lot!23:48
NullEntityIt's working now!23:48
yofelNullEntity: you're welcom23:49
yofele23:49
NullEntityNow I can get my bro off our new gaming desktop >.<23:49
blindndangerousanyone here?23:50
NullEntityofc.23:50
blindndangerousI'm trying to get ubuntu 10.04 running on a virtual machine, but can't figure out how to get orca to start for the installer.23:51
blindndangerousWhen I start up vmware player, and start, I see a bunch of lines go real quick across my screan, then something white or gray go from the bottom to top, then the screen turns blue, and I see diaolgue boxes start poping up.23:53
blindndangerousdialogue popping*23:53
ZykoticK9blindndangerous, perhaps if there is a Vmware channel you could ask there (I'm unaware of one, but never looked for one either).  FYI VirtualBox can install Lucid.23:59

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