[07:01] <tgpraveen12> in the downloads folder now i always have a bar at the top telling me "you can receive files via bluetooth in this folder" and there is no way to close this bar.
[07:01] <tgpraveen12> known bug?
[14:33] <kklimonda> I wonder what files are considered "Public"
[14:34] <kklimonda> in the personal file sharing preferences
[14:40] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: ones which are set to public in sharing options of that file iirc
[15:26] <vish> tgpraveen12: have you ever considered searching lp first ;p
[15:27] <tgpraveen12> vish: what r u referring to?
[15:27] <tgpraveen12> though yeah i dont use search in lp much
[15:27] <vish> tgpraveen12: the downloads ribbon bug ;)
[15:27] <tgpraveen12> oh!
[15:27] <nigelb> tgpraveen12: dont use the search on lp, search on google in the site launchpad.net, should have better luck then
[15:28] <vish> tgpraveen12: you should use it more often ;) , you'd be surprised how much faster you can get an answer :)
[15:28] <tgpraveen12> nigelb: heh
[15:28] <nigelb> tgpraveen12: and desktop team tend to take a break on weekendds since they have their hands full on weekdays
[15:28] <tgpraveen12> vish: alright. but then i wouldnt bother ppl hear that much! :-P
[15:29] <vish> tgpraveen12: thats the idea ;)
[15:29] <tgpraveen12> hehe
[18:24] <hyperair> kenvandine: got a moment? regarding rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, is the icon distributed under GPLv3 as well, or something else?
[19:12] <kklimonda> are we going to pursue changes in all applications to apply UnitsPolicy to them even if other distributions doesn't do it? What do we plan to change for 10.04? All GNOME applications?
[19:26] <hyperair> what's UnitsPolicy?
[19:27] <kklimonda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy - I'm probably getting too tired to make a coherent sentenct ;)
[19:41] <hyperair> kklimonda: that is really cool.
[19:42] <hyperair> i think it should have been standardized beforehand
[19:42] <kklimonda> hyperair: but, so far, we are doing this downstream and developers are starting to revolt ;)
[19:42] <hyperair> kklimonda: revolt? why would they? and why are the patches not being forwarded?
[19:42] <kklimonda> hyperair: I completely agree on the policy itself but without getting it accepted by GLib maintainers it's going to be painful
[19:43] <hyperair> kklimonda: what do you mean?
[19:43] <hyperair> kklimonda: what does glib have to do with the unitpolicy?
[19:43] <kklimonda> hyperair: mostly because those changes are going to make Ubuntu different then the rest
[19:43] <hyperair> meh. ubuntu is already different from the rest.
[19:44] <hyperair> but i'm against having too large a delta, yes
[19:44] <hyperair> such patches should really be forwarded
[19:44] <kklimonda> hyperair: well - the idea is to patch glib so developers can just use the already present g_format_size_to_display to get properly formated strings
[19:44] <hyperair> then forward the patch to glib upstream!
[19:45] <kklimonda> hyperair: it has been and their opinion is that it's an ABI break or sort
[19:45]  * hyperair facepalms
[19:46] <hyperair> not this kind of argument again
[19:46] <hyperair> the linker vs behaviour argument for ABI?
[19:48] <kklimonda> hyperair: I'm not sure what you mean ;)
[19:50] <hyperair> kklimonda: the libcurl developer once told me about the debian vs upstream fallout of SOVERSIONs... basically he bumped the soversion because he believed that the function's behaviour changed, hence it's an ABI break, and the debian developer insisted on keeping the SOVERSION since no functions were removed, so programs did not need to be recompiled for this (linker argument)
[19:50] <hyperair> kklimonda: this is a similar argument, isn't it?
[19:51] <hyperair> kklimonda: anyway how about having g_format_size_for_display use KiB instead? that way it's almost the same.. the figures are the same, just the units different.
[19:51] <kklimonda> hyperair: yes, it is similar
[19:51] <hyperair> kklimonda: is there a link to this argument upstream?
[19:51] <kklimonda> hyperair: gnome bug 554172
[19:52] <hyperair> thanks
[19:57] <hyperair> hmm the transmission argument is valid though
[21:32] <TheMuso> Good morning.
[21:32] <RAOF> Good morning!
[21:52] <rickspencer3> hey guys
[21:52] <rickspencer3> happy Monday :)
[21:55] <Keybuk> are you in Australialand?
[21:56] <rickspencer3> Keybuk, TheMuso and RAOF are
[21:56] <rickspencer3> I'm just dinking on my side projects
[21:56] <Keybuk> ahh
[21:56] <rickspencer3> Sunday afternoon here
[21:59] <Keybuk> Sunday evening here ;)
[22:01] <Keybuk> For each of the bits 0-3 in the Enable Set/Reset register (Graphics Controller register 1) that is 1, the corresponding bit in the Set/Reset register (GC register 0) is extended to a byte (0 or 0FFH) and replaces the CPU data for the corresponding plane. For each of the bits in the Enable Set/Reset register that is 0, the CPU data is used unchanged for that plane (normal operation). For example, if the Enable Set/Reset register is set t
[22:01] <Keybuk> o 01H and the Set/Reset register is set to 05H, then the CPU data is replaced for plane 0 only (the blue plane), and the value it is replaced with is 0FFH (bit 0 of the Set/Reset register extended to a byte). Note that in this case, bits 1-3 of the Set/Reset register have no effect.
[22:01] <Keybuk> ...
[22:01]  * Keybuk goes cross-eyed
[22:06] <RAOF> Doing some VGA programming?
[22:07] <Keybuk> RAOF: well spotted :p
[22:08]  * RAOF has never done any himself, but it looked familiar :)
[22:08] <Keybuk> I'm making life complicated for myself
[22:08] <Keybuk> I'm first trying to understand the existing code in usplash
[22:12]  * rickspencer3 eyes bug
[22:13] <RAOF> What, only one? :)
[22:13] <Keybuk> bug #1
[22:14] <rickspencer3> lol
[22:14] <rickspencer3> I was trying to understand what Keybuk pasted into the channel
[22:14] <Keybuk> rickspencer3: it's the fancy way of programming VGA
[22:14]  * rickspencer3 goes back to inkscape and making sprites for pygame template
[22:14] <rickspencer3> Keybuk doesn't need an IDE, he uses IRC to program
[22:14] <Keybuk> you tell the VGA controller where the pea is before you move the cups
[22:14] <Keybuk> that way you don't need the pea
[22:15] <Keybuk> rickspencer3: Keybuk wishes Linux *had* an IDE
[22:15] <rickspencer3> Keybuk, linux *is* an IDE
[22:15] <RAOF> Monodevelop's pretty good, if you're somewhat higher up the stack than prodding VGA registers.
[22:15] <rickspencer3> just without statement completion and an integrated graphical debugger
[22:16] <rickspencer3> RAOF, and care about mono ;)
[22:16] <rickspencer3> there are some decent Python ones as well, or so I hear
[22:16] <kklimonda> there is always anjuta
[22:17] <RAOF> Really?  Does it do code-completion too?  Dynamic languages are hard to do a good IDE for (in return for generally needing them less, I find).
[22:18]  * Keybuk just wishes he had VisualStudio for Linux
[22:18] <RAOF> Um.  Does apport work against staging at all now, or is launchpad just being really slow?  I'm waiting patiently for this bug data to be processed...
[22:18] <kklimonda> RAOF: it does code completion for C and most likely "code completion" for python at the project level ;)
[22:24] <rickspencer3> RAOF, there seems to be something seriously busted with apport -> LP this weekend
[22:24] <rickspencer3> I assigned a but to flacoste and pitti
[22:25] <rickspencer3> so maybe your tonight someone will jiggle the handle on it
[22:25] <rickspencer3> too bad, we're probably losing a lot of good data
[22:25] <RAOF> I'm going to need to re-ask for some apport-collect data, certainly.
[22:28] <rickspencer3> RAOF, there is a save function built into ubuntu-bug
[22:28] <rickspencer3> I think it's -f
[22:29] <rickspencer3> I guess it's --save
[22:30] <rickspencer3> because it's programmed by pitti, you can assume that there is some extra awesome built in
[22:30] <RAOF> :)
[22:39] <lifeless> Keybuk: doing vesa or direct vga ?
[22:40] <cjohnston> hey rickspencer3.. question for you if you have a moment...
[22:43] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, ;course
[22:43] <rickspencer3> what's up?
[22:44] <cjohnston> Who would be the right person to talk to about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633 (the left vs right min max close button debate)
[22:45] <cjohnston> I would like to get some correct info on what the plan (if any) is
[22:45] <Keybuk> lifeless: direct vga
[22:52]  * rickspencer3 looks
[22:53] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, what do you want to talk about? (so I know better where to direct you)
[22:53] <rickspencer3> ug, 105 comments
[22:54] <cjohnston> I want to find out if there is either a) a plan to change it back (to right side) b) a plan to make it an option c) wont fix
[22:54] <cjohnston> both that and the fact that the window title is now left aligned
[22:54] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, I don't really know what the plans are
[22:54] <cjohnston> is there someone who might?
[22:54] <rickspencer3> I see on the bug that you are passionate about this
[22:54] <cjohnston> yes
[22:55] <rickspencer3> so I would speak with ivanka first
[22:55] <rickspencer3> and then sabdfl if talking to ivanka does not help
[22:55] <rickspencer3> cjohnston:
[22:55] <cjohnston> ok
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[22:55] <rickspencer3> note that any change gets a huge amount of rabble rousing
[22:55] <rickspencer3> some justified, some not
[22:56] <cjohnston> right
[22:56] <rickspencer3> the folks who make the most progress treat the folks they are talking to with respect and patience
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[22:56] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:56] <cjohnston> I personally like it the new way
[22:56] <rickspencer3> hehe
[22:56] <rickspencer3> honestly, I do too
[22:56] <rickspencer3> I like having the huge hit target for dragging windows
[22:56] <cjohnston> I just want to put an end to the <insert word>
[22:56] <cjohnston> lol
[22:57] <rickspencer3> but I don't much use the mouse to close windows
[22:57] <rickspencer3> and I adjusted in like an hour to moving to the left when I do
[22:57] <Nafai> I just found some good themes for Chrome, so now all I have to do is write an Emacs color-theme and my whole desktop uses the new themes :)
[22:57] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, good luck
[22:58] <cjohnston> i do have one complaint about the new theme.. on my lappy its really hard to see the scroll thing to drag on the right hand side.. but thats it.. i love everything else
[22:58] <cjohnston> thanks rickspencer3
[22:58] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, you should let ivanka know about that scroll thingy
[22:58] <rickspencer3> she is currently compiling tweaks
[22:58] <cjohnston> ok..
[22:59] <cjohnston> What is her nick?
[22:59] <rickspencer3> ivanka
[22:59] <rickspencer3> Ivanka = ivanka
[22:59] <cjohnston> lol
[22:59] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, she is a really good person, and I think she would appreciate some supportive communication from you
[22:59] <cjohnston> Looks like she isnt around then..
[22:59] <cjohnston> okie.. cool
[22:59]  * cjohnston is still waiting for his python class :-P
[23:00] <cjohnston> kidding of course
[23:00] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, yeah, it's Sunday in London, and she's been really burning the midnight oil
[23:00] <rickspencer3> lol
[23:00] <rickspencer3> well, for some of us, we spend our free time *also* working on Ubuntu
[23:00] <rickspencer3> just not the stuff we get paid to work on :)
[23:00]  * cjohnston doesnt get paid to work on any of it.. heh
[23:00] <cjohnston> although he wishes he did
[23:02] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, be careful what you wish for ;)
[23:03] <cjohnston> lol
[23:04] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, Ink Scape + PyGame = fun
[23:04] <rickspencer3> http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/03/ink-scape-pygame-fun.html
[23:05] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, hoping to see some new gnomey games using pygame
[23:07] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, cool :)
[23:09] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, as the gnome games maintainer I (probably erroneously) assume you care ;)
[23:11] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yeah, one of the problems with gnome-games is there are too many platforms...  we've tried to standardise on one technology.  It's clutter at the moment as that aligns better with the rest of the platform
[23:12] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, oh
[23:12] <rickspencer3> maybe a gnome-games quickly template?
[23:12]  * rickspencer3 puts on list for UDS
[23:15] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, do your mouse buttons sometime stop working in Lucid?
[23:15] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, uh .. no
[23:15] <rickspencer3> that sounds pretty serious, haven't seen an x input bug in a while
[23:15] <bryceh> robert_ancell, wireless mouse?
[23:15] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, driving me insane.  seb128 was getting it at one point.  I must check if he still gets it.
[23:16] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, this may sound stupid, but "low battery in a wireless mouse"?
[23:16] <robert_ancell> bryceh, usb.  Normally the mouse clicks stop working and I mash the keyboard and mouse to get out of it
[23:16] <robert_ancell> bryceh, changing usb port doesn't work.  The one I've just got now (haven't had it before). the mouse buttons are not working and I can't alt-tab out of xchat
[23:17] <bryceh> robert_ancell, dunno, but that sounds like a familiar bug.
[23:17] <bryceh> we get a lot of complaints about usb keyboards losing configuration settings
[23:17] <bryceh> probably a kernel bug ultimately
[23:18] <robert_ancell> bryceh, any logs I can get to help?
[23:18] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I know I'm not supposed to think about work stuff over the weekend, but I'm finding myself mightily stressed out about how the MT stuff is going to end up impacting X qa for lucid
[23:19] <rickspencer3> bryceh, ok
[23:19] <rickspencer3> let's talk about it tomorrow
[23:19] <robert_ancell> sorry, forgot you guys were on weekend.
[23:19] <robert_ancell> yay, it automagically resolved itself
[23:19] <bryceh> robert_ancell, there may be, but to be honest I extremely doubt I'd have time to look at it anyway
[23:19] <rickspencer3> bryceh,  I'm not really sure that I have lots of options
[23:19] <rickspencer3> but yes, there will be a direct trade off for quality for this feature
[23:20]  * rickspencer3 sads
[23:22] <bryceh> rickspencer3, well, is it felt that the X bugs that exist aren't serious enough to worry about?
[23:22] <rickspencer3> bryceh, I can't say
[23:22] <rickspencer3> I guess it's that this feature is more valuable than quality
[23:22] <rickspencer3> bryceh, let me think about it
[23:22] <rickspencer3> I'll try to come up with a way to help
[23:36] <bryceh> I know it's not anywhere near Halloween but anyone that'd like a fright, check it out:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel?field.searchtext=GPU+Lockup
[23:37] <lifeless> yeah
[23:37] <lifeless> potentially all the same?
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - your symptoms (keyboard and mouse buttons not working) could also be an application bug
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> something could be grabbing the keyboard and / or pointer
[23:42] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, any way to diagnose that?
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> that's quite difficult, and it's only a possibility. does it happen with any particular applications running?
[23:43] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, not that I can tell, I'm only running firefox, thunderbird, gnome-terminal and xchat
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> (you can trigger a similar effect btw, by breaking an application in gdb at a point when its grabbed the pointer)
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> i've made that mistake a few times when debugging things in gdb ;)
[23:43] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, right
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if there's anyway to track grabs on the server side
[23:49] <bryceh> robert_ancell, there are various tools out there for identifying where the clicks are going through the system
[23:50] <bryceh> robert_ancell, xtrace, xinput, and so on.  I don't know the procedures off the top of my head
[23:50] <bryceh> some of it is probably documented on the ubuntu-x wiki
[23:50] <robert_ancell> bryceh, ok, will have a go next time it occurs
[23:53] <chrisccoulson> i thought of xtrace, but you'd need some idea of what app causes it beforehand, as it's not something you can use to do "post-mortem" type diagnostics with
[23:54] <chrisccoulson> i was just trying to figure out which tools might tell you the information you want