| jaminday | godbyk: hey - yeah I think I had a latex question for you but can't remember what it was now | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| jaminday | i must have sorted it out | 00:03 |
| godbyk | fair enough. :) | 00:03 |
| jaminday | thanks though! | 00:03 |
| jaminday | While you're here, do you know if references to Canonical need any legal qualifiers | 00:06 |
| jaminday | like inc or TM or anything like that? | 00:06 |
| godbyk | jaminday: I think we decided we didn't need any of that. | 00:08 |
| godbyk | In the US, at least, they're not required as long as you're referring to the actual trademark. | 00:08 |
| godbyk | And in some other countries, it's actually illegal to include them if they're not registered in that country. | 00:09 |
| godbyk | So it seems like the safe thing to do is to leave them out. | 00:09 |
| godbyk | Plus, they look ugly. :) | 00:09 |
| jaminday | Ah ok, yeah I must have missed that discussion. | 00:09 |
| jaminday | hehe | 00:09 |
| jaminday | no worries just thought i'd better check! | 00:09 |
| jaminday | Another legal thing - Benjamin references Facebook and Google as examples of websites that run unix-based servers. This is definitely true, yes? | 00:27 |
| popey | http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_Facebook's_servers_run_on_Linux | 00:31 |
| godbyk | I know Google uses Linux, too. | 00:32 |
| jaminday | ok cool thanks guys | 00:34 |
| jaminday | humphreybc: heya | 01:23 |
| humphreybc | hey jaminday | 01:30 |
| humphreybc | did you see the top-secret future planning page? | 01:30 |
| jaminday | yeah, it's looking good | 01:31 |
| jaminday | haven't had any brilliant thoughts to add yet | 01:31 |
| humphreybc | okay | 01:31 |
| jaminday | i think you've covered it pretty well so far! | 01:31 |
| humphreybc | remember it's top secret :P | 01:31 |
| jaminday | hehe | 01:31 |
| jaminday | my keyboard is sealed | 01:31 |
| humphreybc | :P | 01:32 |
| jaminday | i've just spent the last couple of hours re-editing the prologue | 01:32 |
| jaminday | just to streamline, reduce the verbosity | 01:32 |
| humphreybc | awesome! | 01:32 |
| humphreybc | i'm going to start re-doing the wiki | 01:32 |
| humphreybc | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPsimplification | 01:32 |
| jaminday | i'm about to upload so was gonna get you to take a look | 01:32 |
| humphreybc | sure thing | 01:32 |
| jaminday | ah cool - great idea about simplifying the wiki | 01:33 |
| jaminday | it could really use it | 01:33 |
| humphreybc | indeed | 01:34 |
| jaminday | humphreybc: hey just uploaded changes to prologue now. Can you have a read when you get the chance and check whether it's ok - happy to revert any changes that you think need it. | 01:56 |
| humphreybc | sure thing | 01:56 |
| jaminday | i'm off to lunch for a break! | 01:56 |
| humphreybc | kk | 02:08 |
| humphreybc | hey, godbyk, you there? | 02:58 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: yep | 02:59 |
| humphreybc | two things - could you change the manual back to everything left aligned (ie, not book format) unless you're testing stuff, and could you also increase the gap between paragraphs by a bit? | 02:59 |
| godbyk | yes, and not unless you give me a really, really good reason. :) | 03:01 |
| humphreybc | I don't have one :P | 03:02 |
| humphreybc | but the paragraph spacing needs to be bigger | 03:02 |
| godbyk | why? | 03:02 |
| humphreybc | it looks odd with the indentation but with no spacing | 03:03 |
| godbyk | ?! | 03:04 |
| humphreybc | lol | 03:04 |
| humphreybc | just try it with one line spacing, and we'll see how it looks | 03:04 |
| godbyk | when marking paragraphs, you either indent, or you add line spacing, never both at the same time. | 03:04 |
| humphreybc | well, remove the indentation and we'll see what it looks like with spacing? | 03:05 |
| humphreybc | :) | 03:05 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-parskip.pdf | 03:09 |
| humphreybc | apart from the contents, that does look nicer | 03:12 |
| humphreybc | and the section headers/itemized lists and stuff are all screwed up | 03:12 |
| humphreybc | but the paragraphs look good | 03:12 |
| godbyk | well, the contents and some other things are using the \parindent value (which I've just set to 0pt), so that'll be a bit funky. | 03:12 |
| humphreybc | yu | 03:13 |
| humphreybc | yup | 03:13 |
| humphreybc | but yeah it looks better with spacing instead of indentation | 03:13 |
| humphreybc | in my opinion :) | 03:13 |
| humphreybc | if you can convince me why we should use indentation, then we'll do that | 03:13 |
| godbyk | I'm not that picky about it at the moment. We'll see what I think after I've fixed up some other things. | 03:13 |
| humphreybc | cool | 03:14 |
| godbyk | You're just not allowed to both indent and space. :) | 03:14 |
| humphreybc | okay | 03:14 |
| humphreybc | well spacing > indentation | 03:14 |
| humphreybc | have you had some time to play around with those 800x600 shots? | 03:14 |
| godbyk | It increases the number of pages in the manual, too. | 03:14 |
| humphreybc | it does | 03:14 |
| godbyk | Not yet, but I'm going to soon. | 03:14 |
| humphreybc | cool | 03:15 |
| godbyk | We should start taking the screenshots for the English version -- even if they're just temporary. | 03:15 |
| humphreybc | we may have to put the manual on a diet | 03:15 |
| godbyk | That way we can see how big the PDF is getting and how many pages it takes. | 03:15 |
| humphreybc | yeah, well if the goddamn UX team decides what theme they want it would help a lot | 03:15 |
| humphreybc | have we got a finalized list of screenshots with decent descriptions? | 03:15 |
| humphreybc | oh yeah it's not too ad | 03:16 |
| humphreybc | bad* | 03:16 |
| godbyk | Not yet. But it'd be good to test with what we've got. | 03:16 |
| humphreybc | kk | 03:16 |
| godbyk | That'll help us work out the bugs before we try to handle the thousands of screenshots we'll have in the end. :) | 03:16 |
| humphreybc | well i'll set it all up and then we can tell everyone else | 03:17 |
| godbyk | k | 03:17 |
| godbyk | how's quickshot coming along? will we be able to use it for 10.04? | 03:18 |
| humphreybc | Red_HamsterX: how's quickshot coming along? | 03:18 |
| Red_HamsterX | This week was quite hectic. I've got window and fullscreen support working fine, with automated cropping, but I haven't had time to sit down and work out the best way to properly hide bzr from the client yet. | 03:22 |
| humphreybc | sounds good :) | 03:23 |
| humphreybc | do you think it'll be usable in time for 10.04? | 03:23 |
| Red_HamsterX | I still believe it will be usable, yes. I can hack something into place if time starts to seem tight, just to get the backend working. | 03:24 |
| Red_HamsterX | I'm not sure how the frontend is coming along, though. | 03:24 |
| Red_HamsterX | I didn't notice any commits this week. | 03:24 |
| humphreybc | okay :) | 03:26 |
| humphreybc | appreciate the work | 03:26 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: do you want to work on the wiki stuff tonight? | 04:08 |
| humphreybc | yeah i will do | 04:09 |
| humphreybc | getting there :P | 04:09 |
| godbyk | 'kay. gimme a holler if you want help. | 04:10 |
| humphreybc | heh | 04:10 |
| humphreybc | my efficiency has taken a nosedive this past week | 04:10 |
| humphreybc | i've hardly got anything done and it's really bad | 04:10 |
| godbyk | same here. | 04:11 |
| godbyk | I think I just kinda ran out of steam. | 04:11 |
| godbyk | I'm trying to slog through the redesign stuff this weekend so it's done and out of the way. | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | yeah, i know how you feel | 04:12 |
| jaminday | humphreybc: you get a chance to look at the changes to prologue? | 04:21 |
| humphreybc | jaminday: i had a skim read but have yet to have a proper look | 04:22 |
| humphreybc | i'm having a very lazy sunday | 04:22 |
| humphreybc | lol | 04:22 |
| jaminday | hehe | 04:22 |
| jaminday | yeah no worries | 04:22 |
| jaminday | just let me know if you find any issues whenever you get around to it | 04:22 |
| humphreybc | sure | 04:22 |
| humphreybc | i'm planning on having a shower soon and then actually cracking into some work | 04:22 |
| humphreybc | because right now i am probably the most inefficient and unproductive member of the UMP team :P | 04:23 |
| jaminday | hehe yeah everyone's entitled to a little slacking off now and then! I just made banana butterscotch pudding so that will keep me going for a while | 04:23 |
| humphreybc | nic! | 04:23 |
| humphreybc | nice* | 04:23 |
| humphreybc | do you bake? | 04:23 |
| jaminday | nope! | 04:24 |
| jaminday | i just really wanted to eat it, so my wife said if i want it, then i can make it | 04:24 |
| jaminday | hehe | 04:24 |
| humphreybc | hahaha | 04:24 |
| humphreybc | i can make a killer banana cake | 04:24 |
| jaminday | ooh nice | 04:24 |
| humphreybc | and pretty good fudge too | 04:25 |
| jaminday | mmm you are making me hungry... only 30 mins to go and i can get stuck into my pudding! | 04:25 |
| humphreybc | lol | 04:28 |
| * godbyk wonders if banana cake is the same as banana bread. | 04:31 | |
| humphreybc | sort of | 04:35 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: how attached are you to the part 1 and part 2 bits? Can we just leave out the parts? (so we only have chapter headings) | 05:15 |
| humphreybc | huh? | 05:15 |
| godbyk | can I kill \part{Getting Started} and \part{Advanced topics}? | 05:16 |
| godbyk | it'll remove the TOC entries and the Part I: Getting Started and Part II: Advanced topics pages. | 05:16 |
| godbyk | I don't think they're particularly helpful to the reader. | 05:16 |
| godbyk | and they're rather awkward design-wise at the moment. | 05:17 |
| jaminday | godbyk: yeah i was thinking the same... | 05:18 |
| godbyk | cool. since humphreybc's clueless, I'll just do it and he can yell at me later when he realizes what I've done. ;-) | 05:19 |
| jaminday | hehe | 05:19 |
| humphreybc | sure remove them | 05:19 |
| humphreybc | sorry guys i'm totally trying to do too many things at once | 05:20 |
| humphreybc | http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ubuntubusinesscard.png | 05:38 |
| godbyk | Hey, vish, you around? | 05:39 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: nice. why three out of five pips? | 05:40 |
| humphreybc | no idea | 05:41 |
| humphreybc | lol | 05:41 |
| humphreybc | that's what martin used | 05:41 |
| humphreybc | http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/ubuntu-business-card/ | 05:41 |
| humphreybc | read the first sentence and click on the link | 05:41 |
| humphreybc | i just grabbed his thing because i don't know much about SVG | 05:41 |
| humphreybc | Inkscape * | 05:41 |
| jaminday | Hey godbyk, do we have a latex command for mentioning where to click on a website? I'm using quotation marks at the moment but there is probably something prettier | 05:41 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: I like yours better than Martins. | 05:42 |
| godbyk | Martin's. | 05:42 |
| humphreybc | :) | 05:42 |
| humphreybc | now that i think about it, i have a reason for the 3/5 pips | 05:42 |
| godbyk | jaminday: I don't think we do. Quotes are probably fine. | 05:42 |
| humphreybc | in the pips, the 3 on the left are orange, two on the right are white | 05:42 |
| humphreybc | in the name, the first name is white, the second name is orange | 05:43 |
| humphreybc | it balances out the name somewhat | 05:43 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: I'd get 4/5 pips just to one-up you. | 05:43 |
| humphreybc | hahaa | 05:43 |
| jaminday | godbyk: thanks no worries i'll keep it at that then | 05:43 |
| humphreybc | that could be your rating in the community | 05:43 |
| humphreybc | Mark would have 5/5 | 05:43 |
| humphreybc | I'd have 1/5 :P | 05:43 |
| vish | godbyk: hei | 05:50 |
| godbyk | vish: now what was I going to ask you? :) | 05:50 |
| vish | lol.. | 05:51 |
| jaminday | humphreybc: I just did a commit but now getting the message that branches have diverged and I cannot push | 05:51 |
| jaminday | how do i fix this again? | 05:51 |
| humphreybc | uuuuuuuuuuum | 05:52 |
| humphreybc | bzr merge? | 05:52 |
| humphreybc | backup what you've changed first though | 05:52 |
| jaminday | yeah i will | 05:52 |
| godbyk | vish: it was something about icons or graphics... | 05:53 |
| godbyk | lemme scroll through the code and see if it triggers anything. | 05:53 |
| jaminday | hmmm... i tried merge but getting the same message. It's asking if i want to overwrite when i go to push - should i say yes? | 05:54 |
| godbyk | aha! | 05:54 |
| godbyk | vish: can you get me icons for the \advanced and \warning call-outs? | 05:54 |
| humphreybc | jaminday: sure | 05:54 |
| humphreybc | if you destroy everything it's not the end of the world... | 05:55 |
| humphreybc | O.o | 05:55 |
| vish | godbyk: i thought icons were dropped.. | 05:55 |
| jaminday | hehe | 05:55 |
| humphreybc | who said icons were dropped? | 05:55 |
| godbyk | vish: I think only the per-chapter icons were dropped. | 05:55 |
| humphreybc | wait when did we decide on this? | 05:55 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: I think you were having banana cake at the time or something. ;-) | 05:56 |
| vish | godbyk: ah, this advanced/warnings is for the boxes ? | 05:56 |
| godbyk | vish: yep, those. | 05:56 |
| humphreybc | lol | 05:56 |
| humphreybc | i think we should keep the chapter icon idea | 05:56 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: we couldn't come up with really good icons for all the chapters. | 05:56 |
| humphreybc | as long as we can easily find icons for each chapter | 05:56 |
| humphreybc | really? | 05:57 |
| humphreybc | that sucks | 05:57 |
| humphreybc | let's have another brainstorm :) | 05:57 |
| jaminday | humphreybc: btw think i got it sorted | 05:58 |
| humphreybc | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPicons | 05:58 |
| humphreybc | jaminday: sweetbix | 05:58 |
| jaminday | btw#2 my banana butterscotch pudding was freakin awesome | 05:58 |
| vish | godbyk: what color and size did we want them in? [/me tuned out a bit too] | 06:00 |
| godbyk | vish: good question. color should probably match the color scheme when end up going with. (whatever that is) | 06:01 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, vish, i've come up with rough icon ideas for all chapters bar two | 06:01 |
| humphreybc | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPicons | 06:01 |
| godbyk | vish: size should be scalable. something simple enough that inkscape can export to pdf easily would be best. | 06:02 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: Here's what thorwil came up with a while back: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/hgBlhqyoMH | 06:03 |
| humphreybc | oh | 06:03 |
| humphreybc | that's useful. | 06:03 |
| humphreybc | vish, are you in the pad thing | 06:11 |
| humphreybc | ? | 06:11 |
| vish | yeah | 06:11 |
| humphreybc | cool | 06:11 |
| humphreybc | ideas for the other ones? | 06:12 |
| humphreybc | ie, installation? default apps? security? | 06:12 |
| godbyk | so what do you think should be done with these icons when we have them? | 06:12 |
| humphreybc | i'll show you, hang on | 06:13 |
| vish | icons are not needed , they are just distractions IMO | 06:14 |
| vish | get the layout and other stuff right , use only icons for the tooltips which need to attract the attention | 06:15 |
| humphreybc | they're pretty distractions | 06:15 |
| godbyk | if they're used, they should be strictly limited to the chapter opening, and even then they should be very subdued and unobtrusive. | 06:16 |
| humphreybc | http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon.png | 06:19 |
| humphreybc | obviously we'd fiddle with the position and size | 06:19 |
| godbyk | you'd have to move it into the margin area so the chapter title doesn't interfere with it. | 06:21 |
| godbyk | also, I'd recommend making it more of a watermark. | 06:21 |
| godbyk | and grayscale. | 06:21 |
| humphreybc | either that or we could have them something like this: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon2.png | 06:23 |
| humphreybc | http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon3.png | 06:26 |
| humphreybc | I like the last one, large grayscale watermark | 06:27 |
| godbyk | the last one is closer to what I had in mind. | 06:30 |
| humphreybc | larger and less opaque, http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon4.png | 06:31 |
| humphreybc | what do we think? | 06:31 |
| godbyk | you could try letting part of the icon fall off the edge of the page. | 06:35 |
| jaminday | i just came back. I'm not a design person but i had a look and i really like the last one - watermark style | 06:36 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon5.png | 06:40 |
| humphreybc | i also like #4 | 06:40 |
| godbyk | could go off the top edge, too. | 06:40 |
| humphreybc | true | 06:40 |
| godbyk | we'd have to adjust each icon accordingly, though.. | 06:40 |
| humphreybc | the circle of friends isn't the best logo for demonstrating the cut off though | 06:41 |
| godbyk | some may not be as recognizable if you chop off 3/4 of them. | 06:41 |
| humphreybc | http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon6.png | 06:41 |
| humphreybc | it would look better with other logos where there is more stuff in the middle | 06:42 |
| godbyk | I'm doing a bunch of reworking of the interior design. | 06:43 |
| godbyk | playing around with basing our doc on the tufte-book class instead of the latex book class (since it gives us some handy things for free). | 06:44 |
| godbyk | Do you prefer fully-justified text or ragged right? | 06:44 |
| godbyk | http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-justified.pdf | 06:44 |
| godbyk | http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-ragged.pdf | 06:44 |
| humphreybc | with a different icon: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon7.png | 06:45 |
| humphreybc | hmmm | 06:46 |
| humphreybc | what is it at the moment? | 06:46 |
| humphreybc | i think justified is more formal rihgt | 06:46 |
| humphreybc | you know the margin in those ones is huge right? | 06:47 |
| vish | godbyk: pushed the advanced and the warning icons , to graphics/ , the old ones had transparency and stuff , which would mess up the pdf .. | 06:47 |
| vish | old warning icon* | 06:47 |
| humphreybc | have there been any studies or research on what people prefer or what's easier to read with justified vs. ragged? | 06:47 |
| godbyk | justified is a bit more formal-looking, yeah. | 06:47 |
| jaminday | night all, i'm off for the night, gotta give my head a rest | 06:48 |
| godbyk | re: the margin, kinda. it's easier to read the main text with the shorter measure and gives us more room for stuff in the margin (since we have a lot of side notes and the screenshot captions will go there) | 06:48 |
| godbyk | g'night, jaminday | 06:48 |
| godbyk | vish: thanks! I'll pull those in. | 06:49 |
| jaminday | humphreybc: i did an overhaul of first part of chapter 1 RE getting hold of ubuntu CD image etc so you might want to check that out as well | 06:49 |
| humphreybc | jaminday: you're heading to bed early! | 06:49 |
| jaminday | cheers godbyk | 06:49 |
| humphreybc | jaminday: cool | 06:49 |
| jaminday | humphreybc: hehe no not off to bed yet, will probably watch a movie with my wife or something | 06:49 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: i think the margin is a bit giant now | 06:49 |
| humphreybc | groovy | 06:49 |
| jaminday | cool, i'm off! | 06:50 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, which one of the 7 proposals for chapter icons is the hardest to implement in latex? | 06:55 |
| godbyk | 7? | 06:56 |
| godbyk | they're all about the same. | 06:57 |
| godbyk | if someone pre-scales and crops them and does all the graphics work first, then it's easy for me to pull them into latex and insert them in the upper right-hand corner of the page. | 06:58 |
| godbyk | vish: I converted your SVG icons to PDF with inkscape and they look like crap. Can you give it a shot? | 07:05 |
| vish | hmm , that means pdf is not able to handle gradients either :/ | 07:06 |
| godbyk | I don't know if it's a limitation in PDF or an issue with inkscape. | 07:06 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, so it doesn't matter having text over the top of an image? | 07:07 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: nope. I'll have latex place the image on the page after it's done laying out the text. | 07:08 |
| godbyk | btw, what does everyone think about thorwil's title pages? any preferences? | 07:08 |
| humphreybc | groovy | 07:08 |
| godbyk | brb | 07:08 |
| vish | godbyk: do you have the pdf? let me see whats gone wrong | 07:09 |
| humphreybc | I don't like any of the ones he has posted on his blog | 07:10 |
| humphreybc | I like a combination of the things he has | 07:10 |
| humphreybc | but he hasn't got one that uses all of them :P | 07:10 |
| humphreybc | so I like the purple icons, without the curvy thing at the top or bottom, and dots in place of the wave at the bottom - but less dots, and centered | 07:11 |
| vish | godbyk: alrighty , i'v made a bit of change , pushed a new change gain , lets see if pdf likes it | 07:13 |
| vish | again* | 07:13 |
| humphreybc | "Again, the fine dot patterns suggests a more enterprise focus" from Mark's post | 07:13 |
| humphreybc | we want a wide spaced dot pattern | 07:13 |
| humphreybc | because we're not appealing to the enterprise customers, and we're not written by canonical | 07:13 |
| humphreybc | we're a community effort for the community | 07:14 |
| humphreybc | same for the purple vs orange | 07:14 |
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| humphreybc | orange is more community, purple (aubergine) is more enterprise | 07:14 |
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| godbyk | I'm back. | 07:18 |
| godbyk | I hate to re-bait and reset the mouse traps. | 07:18 |
| godbyk | Total mouse body count from last night and tonight: 5. | 07:18 |
| godbyk | vish: I'll pull and covert again. one sec. | 07:19 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, sounds like the mice like your house | 07:19 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: yeah, they showed up last week out of the blue. | 07:20 |
| humphreybc | random | 07:20 |
| godbyk | vish: still fails. see http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/advanced.pdf and http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/warning.pdf | 07:21 |
| godbyk | I'm just using inkscape, opening the svg, save as..., pdf. | 07:21 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: they seem to like my peanut butter, though. <evil grin> | 07:22 |
| humphreybc | lol | 07:22 |
| vish | hmm , we need to just be plain and simple , geez why does everyone just like the glyph icons ! ;p | 07:24 |
| godbyk | did we ever decide on justified vs. ragged right? | 07:24 |
| vish | godbyk: how does thorwil do it? | 07:24 |
| godbyk | vish: how does he do what? | 07:24 |
| * vish likes justified | 07:25 | |
| vish | godbyk: the export to pdf , seems to be working for him properly | 07:25 |
| godbyk | vish: no gradients. | 07:25 |
| godbyk | simple line drawings. | 07:25 |
| vish | hmm , i recall he mentioned gradients were fine only transparency was the problem , let me try again | 07:26 |
| * humphreybc is going to get a chicken burger from willowbank | 07:26 | |
| godbyk | we could alternatively use png. as long as it looks okay at whatever resolution we export it at and it doesn't bloat our manual's PDF size too much. | 07:26 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, no we didn't | 07:26 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: we didn't what? | 07:26 |
| humphreybc | decide on just/ragged | 07:26 |
| vish | hehe , everyone is talking to godbyk telegraphically ;p | 07:27 |
| godbyk | humphreybc's asynchronous responses confuse and frighten me! :-P | 07:28 |
| humphreybc | lol | 07:28 |
| humphreybc | i think justified | 07:28 |
| humphreybc | but dem margins are too wide man | 07:28 |
| godbyk | I'm just a simple caveman hacker. I don't understand your ways! | 07:28 |
| humphreybc | 165 pages now hu | 07:30 |
| humphreybc | huh* | 07:30 |
| humphreybc | wow | 07:30 |
| * humphreybc is getting chicken burger, bvs | 07:30 | |
| humphreybc | bbs* | 07:30 |
| vish | godbyk: test the nogradient icons , they work now.. | 07:40 |
| vish | pdf comes out fine for me | 07:40 |
| godbyk | did you push the changes? | 07:41 |
| vish | just pushed | 07:41 |
| vish | bzr is too slow for realtime ;) | 07:41 |
| godbyk | ah, there they are. | 07:42 |
| humphreybc | nom nom this is one good burger | 07:43 |
| humphreybc | hey godbyk, any tips on how to reduce server power usage? | 07:47 |
| godbyk | vish: those are working now. thanks! | 07:47 |
| vish | np.. | 07:48 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: depends on what the power is being used for. | 07:48 |
| humphreybc | ? | 07:48 |
| humphreybc | my server is going down for about 30 mins while i reduce the power :P | 07:48 |
| humphreybc | and optimize it | 07:48 |
| humphreybc | so those images won't work | 07:48 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: try running powertop.. it'll make recommendations. (not sure if it works when you're on AC.. might require battery power, I'm not sure.) | 07:49 |
| humphreybc | i mean physical power reductions, i'm unplugging the optical drives and removing some unused PCI cards | 07:50 |
| godbyk | Latest iteration (with vish's icons): http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual.pdf | 07:50 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: ah, that'll help, too. | 07:50 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: can't pay the electric bill? :) | 07:51 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: also, replace the power supply with an 80plus power supply: http://www.80plus.org/ they're more efficient. | 07:53 |
| humphreybc | lol | 07:56 |
| humphreybc | i don't want to spend money! | 07:56 |
| humphreybc | i just want cheap tips and tweaks to improve power usage :P | 07:57 |
| godbyk | but spending money will save you money. :) | 07:57 |
| humphreybc | trade off aint worth it xD | 07:57 |
| humphreybc | it's got a 370W PSU right now | 07:58 |
| humphreybc | i might get some of this to reduce noise | 08:05 |
| humphreybc | http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=346582 | 08:05 |
| humphreybc | i'm a bit concerned about heat though | 08:06 |
| humphreybc | i've got the CPU fan and the PSU fan running | 08:06 |
| humphreybc | CPU fan is plugged into the CPU fan plug which has a BIOS setting to switch speed based on load | 08:07 |
| humphreybc | I also have a side-case fan installed, but I've unplugged that because it was a bit noisy, and to save power. I've been putting my hand by the exhaust fan for the last few days and it's been really cool, so I'm pretty sure I can get by without the side fan | 08:07 |
| humphreybc | but the mats might increase the heat | 08:07 |
| godbyk | can you afford to slow the fans down? that'd reduce noise. | 08:09 |
| humphreybc | probably | 08:10 |
| humphreybc | but i can't slow the PSU fan | 08:10 |
| humphreybc | and the CPU fan is already going as slow as it lets it go | 08:10 |
| humphreybc | it's not particularly noisy at all | 08:10 |
| humphreybc | I might buy this acoustic pad stuff though, it's only $36 with free delivery and comes with quite a bit | 08:10 |
| humphreybc | I could undervolt the CPU? | 08:11 |
| humphreybc | (to save power) | 08:11 |
| humphreybc | can you run CPU's without a fan? | 08:11 |
| godbyk | you'd have to check with your cpu manufacturer about that. | 08:14 |
| godbyk | depends on the heat they put out and what kind of cooling options you have for that socket type. | 08:14 |
| humphreybc | i've always thought it was incredibly risky to run them without a fan | 08:16 |
| * humphreybc just bought two 320GB HDDs for $100 | 08:25 | |
| humphreybc | how easy is it to format drives from the command line? | 08:26 |
| godbyk | http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual.pdf | 08:28 |
| godbyk | I turned the \screenshotTODOs into floats and now they have captions, too. | 08:28 |
| humphreybc | exciting! | 08:29 |
| humphreybc | but no actual shots yet? | 08:33 |
| godbyk | nope, not yet. | 08:35 |
| godbyk | I'll give some of those a try in a sec. | 08:35 |
| godbyk | do the shots you took correspond to some of the shots in the manual? | 08:36 |
| godbyk | gonna do a big commit. we'll see who I cause problems for. :) | 08:36 |
| godbyk | okay, changes pushed. | 08:40 |
| godbyk | if you guys get a sec, would you try compiling the PDF? (if it complains of missing packages, run the pkgs/install-pkgs.sh script, then try again. if it still fails, tell me about it.) | 08:41 |
| godbyk | Okay, I've done enough damage for one day. I'm heading to bed. | 08:50 |
| godbyk | G'night! | 08:50 |
| humphreybc | crap | 08:56 |
| humphreybc | i think it's broken | 08:56 |
| humphreybc | the keyboard won't work anymore either | 08:56 |
| humphreybc | well, it works, just not with the server | 08:58 |
| humphreybc | i'm going to hard reset the bios.. | 08:58 |
| humphreybc | oh, it seemed to not like the CD roms being unplugged | 09:01 |
| humphreybc | ext4 does definitely not like being shutdown unexpectedly | 09:04 |
| humphreybc | aha, so it didn't boot up because the primary drive was unplugged | 09:08 |
| humphreybc | so i need to change the primary drive from the DVD drive to the HDD | 09:08 |
| humphreybc | good ol' IDE | 09:13 |
| thorwil | good part-of-day! | 09:14 |
| humphreybc | hi thorwil! | 09:15 |
| thorwil | humphreybc: i wonder why you never replied to https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00906.html, but now have a mail on chapter icons | 09:20 |
| thorwil | http://humphreybc.homeip.net doesn't load here :/ | 09:21 |
| dutchie | o/ | 09:23 |
| humphreybc | lol hang on | 09:25 |
| humphreybc | server is down atm | 09:25 |
| humphreybc | should load now | 09:25 |
| thorwil | does | 09:25 |
| humphreybc | :) | 09:25 |
| humphreybc | ah, technology. I can plug in a computer and turn it on and all the way on the other side of the world someone can see the files stored on it. | 09:26 |
| * humphreybc is looking forward to his 2x 320GB HDDs and acoustic padding arriving so he can continue pimping the server | 09:26 | |
| thorwil | humphreybc, godbyk: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon2.png or http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon3.png / http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon7.png | 09:27 |
| dutchie | second one | 09:28 |
| humphreybc | i quite like: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/chaptericon4.png | 09:28 |
| thorwil | that is, if at all | 09:28 |
| dutchie | chaptericon3.png | 09:29 |
| * humphreybc restarting the server | 09:30 | |
| humphreybc | back up in about 2 minutes | 09:30 |
| humphreybc | ....and it's back up | 09:31 |
| dutchie | 09:34:02 up 39 days, 12:02, 4 users, load average: 0.20, 0.07, 0.01 | 09:34 |
| humphreybc | 4 users huh? | 09:35 |
| humphreybc | but do you have a fancy page to tell you those stats? | 09:36 |
| humphreybc | http://humphreybc.homeip.net/phpsysinfo | 09:36 |
| dutchie | 4 users are 4 instances of me | 09:36 |
| humphreybc | hahaha | 09:37 |
| humphreybc | okay | 09:37 |
| humphreybc | it's like... dutchie-server 413 users | 09:38 |
| humphreybc | 413 users! man your server must be popular! | 09:38 |
| humphreybc | dutchie: nah, it's just 413 instances of me | 09:38 |
| dutchie | $ ssh vps who | 09:39 |
| dutchie | jrh pts/1 2010-02-22 18:30 (78.150.76.153:S.0) | 09:39 |
| dutchie | jrh pts/2 2010-02-02 21:31 (78.150.76.153:S.1) | 09:39 |
| dutchie | jrh pts/3 2010-02-02 21:32 (78.150.76.153:S.2) | 09:39 |
| dutchie | jrh pts/4 2010-02-26 23:02 (78.150.76.153:S.3) | 09:39 |
| dutchie | \o/ | 09:39 |
| humphreybc | lol | 09:39 |
| humphreybc | so i got two 320GB HDDs off trademe for $100 | 09:39 |
| humphreybc | so I'll have about 1.2TB of space soon :) | 09:39 |
| humphreybc | and then i got some exciting noise reducing 5mm thick pad things | 09:40 |
| humphreybc | so it'll be really exciting | 09:40 |
| * humphreybc can't wait to build his own house one day. it will have a mint server-controlled heating system | 09:42 | |
| * humphreybc still hasn't done the wiki overhaul | 09:46 | |
| humphreybc | balsfhasg | 09:47 |
| * humphreybc thought that he had a lot of karma... | 09:57 | |
| humphreybc | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors | 09:57 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, you know there are a couple of compile time errors in the title and author? | 10:03 |
| humphreybc | so this is what Canonical does in their spare time... http://www.flickr.com/photos/iain/sets/72157622861379369/ | 10:31 |
| humphreybc | :P | 10:31 |
| === iant0 is now known as ianto | ||
| daker | hi @all | 20:07 |
| godbyk | hey, daker. how's it going? | 20:08 |
| daker | fine | 20:08 |
| daker | so i want to create a new project for the website | 20:09 |
| daker | i have made a lot of things this week end | 20:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello everyone | 20:09 |
| daker | hi ubuntujenkins | 20:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | hi daker what stuff have you made for the website? | 20:10 |
| thorwil | hi all | 20:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello thorwil | 20:10 |
| thorwil | godbyk: there's still just "Advanced" and "Warning" as special sections in need of icons, right? | 20:11 |
| godbyk | thorwil: So far, yeah. | 20:11 |
| godbyk | vish provided me with a couple icons for them yesterday. | 20:11 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, http://10.30.236.83/daker-remake/ | 20:11 |
| godbyk | thorwil: have you seen the updated manual with the new layout stuff yet? | 20:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker the link is broken acording to chromium | 20:12 |
| daker | oki | 20:12 |
| daker | one minute | 20:13 |
| thorwil | godbyk: what is vish thinking, not letting me know ... can you show them to me? | 20:13 |
| thorwil | godbyk: nope | 20:13 |
| vish | thorwil hei! | 20:13 |
| godbyk | thorwil: sure, they're in the bzr repository. graphics/warning.pdf and graphics/advanced.pdf | 20:14 |
| vish | thorwil: i got pinged today morning , and i just did them since i had time.. and you werent around either :( | 20:14 |
| godbyk | feel free to change 'em. I'm not picky. I just wanted something I could drop in to get rid of the ! and !! placeholders. | 20:14 |
| thorwil | vish: it's all good. my own fault to have some work on that sleeping on my hd | 20:15 |
| godbyk | thorwil: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual.pdf | 20:16 |
| godbyk | I still have plenty of work to do, but it's getting there. | 20:16 |
| godbyk | we should figure out what's up with the chapter headings soon so I don't have to panic about it later. :) | 20:17 |
| vish | thorwil: lol , its yesterday for godbyk but it was morning for us ;) , noon for me rather ;p | 20:17 |
| godbyk | yeah, it's 15:18 on Sunday for me right now. | 20:18 |
| thorwil | vish: we will use the !-triangle in any case. though i made it monochrome | 20:20 |
| vish | thorwil: i dont see the point of those icons being monochrome , the warning needs to attract attention | 20:21 |
| thorwil | vish: it will, in yellow/orange | 20:24 |
| thorwil | godbyk: what's open about the chapter headings? | 20:24 |
| vish | thorwil: anyways , if anyone asks me to do stuff , i'll tell them to run it by you first :) | 20:25 |
| thorwil | heh | 20:25 |
| godbyk | thorwil: well the entire design is up in the air at the moment. waiting to hear what's going on re: per-chapter icons and, if we're going with them, where they'll be placed, etc. | 20:26 |
| thorwil | vish, godbyk: this is what i was about to put on my blog: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/1150a8b26fb909c47aa9469291f4ed44 | 20:27 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, try now http://10.30.236.83/daker-remake/ | 20:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | still broken daker | 20:27 |
| daker | chit | 20:27 |
| godbyk | daker: the 10.x.x.x IP address is internal only. you'll have to give us your external ip address. | 20:28 |
| godbyk | thorwil: cool. the \advanced icon will be the most difficult one, I think. | 20:29 |
| daker | godbyk, that's right | 20:29 |
| vish | thorwil: what is the ladder for? | 20:29 |
| godbyk | vish: the icons on the second row are attempts to indicate 'advanced' | 20:30 |
| thorwil | right | 20:30 |
| vish | ;s | 20:30 |
| vish | thorwil: also , since the warning is yellow on white , have a darker border.. | 20:30 |
| vish | which would probably be the same as the current one :( | 20:31 |
| godbyk | How do other manuals do it? | 20:31 |
| godbyk | I know that Knuth's TeX manual using a 'dangerous bend' icon for warnings and advanced material: http://www.truetex.com/db.htm | 20:31 |
| vish | godbyk: i recall seeing spanners for advanced.. | 20:31 |
| godbyk | He uses one dangerous bend for advanced material and two dangerous bend icons for super-advanced material. | 20:32 |
| dutchie | do we really need a right margin that wide? | 20:32 |
| godbyk | dutchie: nag, nag, nag. :) | 20:33 |
| dutchie | heh | 20:33 |
| godbyk | I haven't decided yet. It's the default margins in the tufte-book class, which is based on the book design used in Edward Tufte's books. | 20:33 |
| godbyk | he makes more extensive use of marginal material that we do at the moment. | 20:34 |
| godbyk | but I wanted to shorten the measure of the main text block at any rate. | 20:34 |
| thorwil | great. a quick image search reveals 3 different dangerous-bend signs | 20:36 |
| dutchie | is command-line/.command-line.tex.properties.xml generated by something of godbyk's? | 20:36 |
| godbyk | dutchie: now that I'm aware of.. | 20:37 |
| dutchie | nothing seems to have been broken by killing it | 20:38 |
| godbyk | dutchie: I don't see that file here. did your editor create it? | 20:39 |
| dutchie | don't think so | 20:39 |
| godbyk | ah, I see others like it here, though. | 20:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: A while ago it was said to change the combo box in in the screenshot choosing window to something else. what was the reasoning behind that? | 20:39 |
| godbyk | I'll see if I can figure out where they come from | 20:40 |
| Red_HamsterX | ubuntujenkins, I don't recall any of the specifics associated with this discussion. I think titeuf is who you'd want to speak to. | 20:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok thank you I will ask him when he is next around | 20:44 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: was it changing the dropdown box (containing the list of screenshots) to a list box? | 20:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | It was godbyk, that was it. | 20:45 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: the reasoning behind that would be that drop-down boxes that contain a huge list of items are hard to use, and using a list box is better in that case. | 20:45 |
| godbyk | it makes it easier to navigate longer lists because you can see more of the context. | 20:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | Now I remeber I will try and change it to make it look right | 20:46 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks | 20:47 |
| thorwil | 6586 views for the Ubuntu Manual Title Page post, but very sparing feedback | 20:51 |
| vish | thorwil: just read the ML reply , i said the same thing about having chapter icons.. we dont need them ;) | 20:53 |
| thorwil | godbyk: btw, contact on your website lacks country | 21:03 |
| godbyk | which site? | 21:04 |
| godbyk | (too many profiles) | 21:04 |
| thorwil | http://kevin.godby.org | 21:04 |
| thorwil | is there a better one to link your name with? | 21:04 |
| godbyk | ah, thanks. I'll fix that. | 21:04 |
| godbyk | nope, you can link to my site. | 21:04 |
| thorwil | if only i could write a resume like that. i can only point to examples and hope nobody asks for my CV which is such a wreck that i wouldn't hire myself | 21:06 |
| thorwil | http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/ubuntu-manual-icons/ | 21:07 |
| godbyk | yeah, I need to update my CV, too. I hate writing about myself. | 21:09 |
| godbyk | I think I like the second column of icons.. with the black. It'll print better and has a bigger impact. | 21:11 |
| thorwil | noted | 21:12 |
| thorwil | good night! :) | 21:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | nn o/ | 21:13 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website | 22:04 |
| * ubuntujenkins looks | 22:04 | |
| ubuntujenkins | daker I am confused i get bzr branch lp:~adnane002/ubuntu-manual-website/website | 22:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~adnane002/ubuntu-manual-website/website/". when pulling the branch | 22:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | am i being silly? | 22:08 |
| daker | I have not yet push the work | 22:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | there is no branch there yet | 22:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | just got it :-) | 22:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am testing quickshot so I may acedntly log ou tin a second | 22:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | sorry for the jumble I had to type fast just in case | 22:10 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, try now | 22:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | I now have an empty folder called website | 22:16 |
| ubuntujenkins | back now | 22:24 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: heh.. you could just change that line to: if not os.environ["USER"] == "quickshot" and not os.environ["USER"] == "luke-jennings": for now and be done with it for a while. :-) | 22:24 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, i dont know what's the problem | 22:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | good point godbyk I keep forgetting to change it back. its very anoying | 22:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | did you run bzr add daker? | 22:25 |
| daker | yesp | 22:25 |
| daker | daker@daker-laptop:/var/www/daker-remake$ bzr add | 22:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | then bzr commit -m "chnage goes here" | 22:26 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: are you on the frontend or backend of things? it's been a while since I've seen the workflow on the front-end, but when I last saw it (some weeks ago), it looked like there might have been a couple unnecessary steps in there. is there a current diagram showing the user's path through the program? | 22:26 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, bzr commit –m "first prototype of the website" | 22:26 |
| daker | Committing to: /var/www/daker-remake/ | 22:26 |
| daker | Traceback (most recent call last): | 22:26 |
| daker | File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 791, in emit | 22:26 |
| daker | stream.write(fs % msg.encode("UTF-8")) | 22:26 |
| daker | UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 80: ordinal not in range(128) | 22:26 |
| daker | bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: "–m" "first prototype of the website" | 22:26 |
| daker | this is bugg ? | 22:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | Have a run of main and see what you think godbyk I am mostly front end the python is to hard for me. I will be interested if it works for you. btw a package call disper will be installed it allows us to deal with nvidia stuff | 22:27 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: how do I test quickshot and do I need to close all my programs first (so it can log out)? | 22:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | wow daker that looks fun | 22:28 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, hhhhh | 22:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: go to the quickshot diectory where the banch is and do "quickly run" and follow thought the instructions if you have done it before do "quickly run -r" | 22:29 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: shall I dump my stream-of-consciousness thoughts here for ya? | 22:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker: just to check you did "bzr commit -m "first prototype of the website"" | 22:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | please do godbyk or paste bin it and then link it to me | 22:31 |
| godbyk | okay. here goes: | 22:31 |
| godbyk | the window doesn't need to be resizable. if you allow resizing the elements in the window should resize appropriately. right now it just ads extra padding which isn't helpful. | 22:31 |
| godbyk | the Cancel button should probably be renamed Close | 22:31 |
| godbyk | the about dialog says version 0.03, but the main window says version 0.02 | 22:32 |
| godbyk | File > Quit should have a shortcut key (Ctrl+Q) associated with it. | 22:33 |
| godbyk | might be better to go with File > Close (Ctrl+W) instead. I'd have to check the current HIG for what's proper now. | 22:33 |
| godbyk | the Next and Cancel buttons are too wide. | 22:33 |
| godbyk | [regretting this yet? :-)] | 22:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | no this is good no one has given us much feed back on the project so far | 22:34 |
| godbyk | clicking next causes the program to appear to lock up. there's no status as to what it's doing or why it's taking so long. | 22:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | which next buttons that? | 22:35 |
| godbyk | the first next button. while it's downloading disper in the background. | 22:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | that will hopefully go, I am hoping to have disper as a dependcey | 22:36 |
| godbyk | the next thing I see as the user is the dialog asking for my password, telling me it wants to install something. that's kinda scary. | 22:36 |
| godbyk | okay | 22:36 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, any idea ? | 22:36 |
| godbyk | if I cancel the password dialog and click close on the next password dialog (it's rather persistent, isn't it?), then quickshot closes without another word on the gui side. | 22:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker i am afraid not if you did the command right then it might be a bug | 22:37 |
| godbyk | the only reason I know what's going on is because I saw the console output in the terminal window. | 22:37 |
| daker | oki | 22:37 |
| godbyk | I'm letting it install disper this time. | 22:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | try setting the branch up again daker | 22:38 |
| godbyk | there's no progress display during the install, either. | 22:38 |
| godbyk | okay, it's asking for a pwd for the quickshot user. | 22:38 |
| godbyk | the text is all centered. that's bad. | 22:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats my fault | 22:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats easy to change | 22:38 |
| godbyk | you say I should enter the password for the new user in the boxes below. there's only one box. | 22:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | lol | 22:39 |
| godbyk | the spacing and button positions don't follow the HIG either. | 22:39 |
| godbyk | if I hit the Close button, quickshot exits without another word. | 22:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | what do you expect it to say? | 22:40 |
| godbyk | admit that it can't continue without creating the quickshot user. give me options to go back and create the user or to give up on the whole quickshot thing. | 22:40 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok i see | 22:41 |
| godbyk | there was another long delay after entering the pwd for the quickshot user. no status reports and the UI kind of freezes during that time. | 22:41 |
| godbyk | on this screen it says a new user has been created called "Quickshot" with a capital Q. on the previous screen it was lowercase Q. | 22:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats alos caused by a tempoary bit of code untill we have aproper program it has to pull the bzr branch into the quickshot user | 22:42 |
| godbyk | centered text and button possitions again. | 22:42 |
| godbyk | Close button has C underlined, but Login button doesn't have a shortcut key. | 22:42 |
| godbyk | will clicking the login button switch users or actually log me out? | 22:42 |
| godbyk | i.e., will it close all of my programs and cause me to lose work? | 22:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | switch users, but just in case please save everything it has worked so far but.. | 22:43 |
| godbyk | might be good to note that in this window. | 22:43 |
| godbyk | I'll be back in a sec. going to hit the login button. | 22:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | any luck daker? | 22:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | kk godbyk | 22:44 |
| daker | its works | 22:44 |
| * ubuntujenkins bets godbyk will mention about centred text again :-) | 22:44 | |
| ubuntujenkins | cool daker i will do a pull | 22:45 |
| daker | wait a minute | 22:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | kk | 22:45 |
| daker | its not yet complet | 22:45 |
| daker | hi is pushing right now | 22:45 |
| godbyk-quickshot | okay.. logged in as quickshot now. | 22:46 |
| godbyk-quickshot | when quickshot starts up again, it shows the same first screen as before.. | 22:46 |
| godbyk-quickshot | where it says it will create a new user and I'll be prompted for my password during setup, etc. | 22:47 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep I will chanage text in the lable | 22:47 |
| godbyk-quickshot | if I'm already logged in as quickshot, then it should instead give me a 'congratulations!' dialog and continue on. | 22:47 |
| godbyk-quickshot | clicking next took a while. | 22:47 |
| godbyk-quickshot | the window disappeared for a bit. | 22:47 |
| godbyk-quickshot | just came back with the warning. lemme read this. | 22:48 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep i can tidy that up easy | 22:48 |
| godbyk-quickshot | non-standard dialog layout. see the gnome hig again for details. | 22:48 |
| godbyk-quickshot | there's no way for me to bail out at this point.. just the OK button. | 22:48 |
| ubuntujenkins | I think i need to eat the gnome hig :-) | 22:48 |
| godbyk-quickshot | going to hit the window's close button and see what happens. | 22:48 |
| ubuntujenkins | good point | 22:48 |
| godbyk-quickshot | closed the window with the window control and now I'm still logged in as quickshot without any idea of what's going on. | 22:49 |
| godbyk-quickshot | going to restart quickshot manually from a terminal. | 22:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker silly question which bit do i open with chrome? | 22:50 |
| godbyk-quickshot | okay | 22:52 |
| godbyk-quickshot | that didn't work well. | 22:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | what happend? | 22:52 |
| godbyk-quickshot | just changed the screen res to something (it claims) | 22:52 |
| godbyk-quickshot | everything is white except the quickshot dialog | 22:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | and did it? | 22:53 |
| godbyk-quickshot | not even sure if I'm typing in the xchat window | 22:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | you are | 22:53 |
| daker | what ? | 22:53 |
| godbyk-quickshot | it said if I didn't hit 'ok' (with the timeout) that it would log me out. why log me out? | 22:53 |
| godbyk-quickshot | brb, going to cancel quickshot and see if I can see again | 22:54 |
| godbyk | okay, I'm back as me now. had to hit ctrl+alt+f1 and alt+f7 to switch back to my regular user. | 22:54 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker: how do i view the website with chrome? | 22:55 |
| ubuntujenkins | logging out is the only way we can restores people resolution 100% of the time. godbyk | 22:55 |
| ubuntujenkins | you have a new bug if you can't see anything | 22:55 |
| godbyk | yeah, everything was completely white. | 22:55 |
| godbyk | I mean *completely*. | 22:55 |
| godbyk | the only thing I could see was the quickshot window. | 22:55 |
| godbyk | I could hit alt+tab and see the windows in the switcher list. | 22:55 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, you have to install a lamp server | 22:55 |
| ubuntujenkins | you were typing in xchat still. that is very strange | 22:56 |
| godbyk | then I just waved my mouse around until it changed to the text insert I-beam cursor and typed into xchat. | 22:56 |
| godbyk | I've got a dual-head setup with an nvidia card. | 22:56 |
| ubuntujenkins | I have tested it on dual head it should work | 22:57 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker i will see if I have enough space to instal one | 22:57 |
| godbyk | I'll try to switch back to the quickshot user and see if it's any better. | 22:57 |
| godbyk | one sec | 22:57 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: can you open a terminal and do disper -l an post please | 22:57 |
| godbyk | $ disper -l | 22:58 |
| godbyk | display DFP-0: Samsung SyncMaster | 22:58 |
| godbyk | resolutions: 320x240, 400x300, 416x312, 512x384, 576x432, 680x384, 640x480, 720x450, 640x512, 800x512, 840x525, 800x600, 960x540, 832x624, 960x600, 1024x768, 1152x864, 1360x768, 1280x960, 1440x900, 1280x1024, 1400x1050, 1600x1024, 1600x1200 | 22:58 |
| godbyk | display DFP-1: Samsung SyncMaster | 22:58 |
| godbyk | resolutions: 320x240, 400x300, 416x312, 512x384, 576x432, 680x384, 640x480, 720x450, 640x512, 800x512, 840x525, 800x600, 960x540, 832x624, 960x600, 1024x768, 1152x864, 1360x768, 1280x960, 1440x900, 1280x1024, 1400x1050, 1600x1024, 1600x1200 | 22:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok thats fine give quickshot another go | 22:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am not sure why it isn't working at this moment in time | 22:58 |
| godbyk-quickshot | okay. back as quickshot user. everything okay again here. | 22:59 |
| ubuntujenkins | nice what resolution are you at normal or not? | 22:59 |
| godbyk-quickshot | I'm normally running at 1600x1200 for both monitors. | 22:59 |
| godbyk-quickshot | and the nvidia tool says I'm running at that now under the quickshot user. | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | some output from the terminal: | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | $ ./run.sh | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | Running Quickshot | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | disper installed | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | write to Launchpad or access private data. See "bzr help launchpad-login". | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot is permanently redirected to /~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/changes | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | write to Launchpad or access private data. See "bzr help launchpad-login". | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | No revisions to pull. | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | WARNING: you should run this program as super-user. | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | WARNING: you should run this program as super-user. | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | (whoa! sorry about the paste spam) | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | I don't know what program is running when it says it should be ran as root. | 23:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | lshw | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | ah | 23:00 |
| godbyk-quickshot | I'll run quickshot again and see what blows up | 23:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | nothing abnormal | 23:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | hang on | 23:01 |
| godbyk-quickshot | ok | 23:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | please do "disper -c -r 800x600" that should change your resolution | 23:01 |
| godbyk-quickshot | I'll try that. just a sec. | 23:02 |
| ubuntujenkins | cool | 23:02 |
| godbyk-quickshot | btw, hitting the window's close button when the 'hit okay to change resolutions' window is up doesn't cause quickshot to exit. it just closes the window. | 23:02 |
| godbyk-quickshot | do I need to use sudo with disper? | 23:03 |
| ubuntujenkins | nope | 23:03 |
| godbyk-quickshot | 'kay. here goes. | 23:03 |
| godbyk-quickshot | wow | 23:03 |
| godbyk-quickshot | okay. | 23:03 |
| godbyk-quickshot | that worked. | 23:03 |
| godbyk-quickshot | definitely changed the res. | 23:03 |
| godbyk-quickshot | now both monitors are showing the same image, too. | 23:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | nice that sound good | 23:04 |
| godbyk-quickshot | can I just say how ugly 800x600 is? it's been a long time... :) | 23:04 |
| godbyk-quickshot | should I change it back and let quickshot try it? | 23:04 |
| godbyk-quickshot | or just run quickshot from here? | 23:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | it is a pain I hate it I am toying with 1048x764 | 23:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | chnage it back | 23:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | there is something wrong with that part of the code | 23:05 |
| godbyk-quickshot | okay.. back to two monitors, 1600x1200. | 23:05 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker will installing a lamp mean it points outwards on my pc haveing a server of any kind is against my uni useage policy | 23:05 |
| godbyk-quickshot | running quickshot again | 23:05 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, no | 23:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok which packages do install on ubuntu-desktop? | 23:07 |
| godbyk-quickshot | okay, the res change worked this time. | 23:07 |
| godbyk-quickshot | uh oh | 23:07 |
| godbyk | heh | 23:08 |
| godbyk | okay. so if you click on the window close button on the 'yay, the new res worked!' screen, then you get logged out. | 23:08 |
| godbyk | that doesn't seem right. | 23:08 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, sudo apt-get install lamp-server^ | 23:08 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks daker | 23:08 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk thats a code fail definaly needs a fix | 23:09 |
| godbyk | fair enough. | 23:09 |
| godbyk | I'm going back in. :) | 23:09 |
| * ubuntujenkins files 100 more bugs :-P | 23:09 | |
| ubuntujenkins | \o/ | 23:09 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, how old are u ? | 23:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | 20 why? | 23:10 |
| daker | juste a question :) | 23:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am new to all the server and python and bzr and laytex stuff btw | 23:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | fair enough | 23:10 |
| daker | what licence should we use for the website ? | 23:11 |
| godbyk | okay, it does indeed log you back out if you let the timer expire. | 23:11 |
| godbyk | going in again. | 23:11 |
| * ubuntujenkins installes a lamp server | 23:11 | |
| daker | godbyk, wich licence should we use for the website ? | 23:11 |
| godbyk | oh, here's another bug for ya, ubuntujenkins: when quickshot first starts up, the default button is the Cancel button. | 23:12 |
| godbyk | daker: the content should probably be under CC-BY-SA, since that's what the manual is under. | 23:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | sorry but which button godbyk? | 23:12 |
| godbyk | the code itself.. I dunno, I'd go with something pretty liberal like Apache or something. | 23:12 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: on the first screen when you run 'quickly run'.. the Cancel button is what's highlighted. (so if I press Enter, that'll be the button that gets 'clicked') | 23:13 |
| godbyk | this is on the Welcome to Quickshot! screen. | 23:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | i see ok noted | 23:13 |
| godbyk | you should set the default buttons on all of the screens, actually. I think most the screens didn't have defaults set. | 23:13 |
| godbyk | brb.. switching to quickshot again | 23:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok daker i have a lamp now what do i do? | 23:15 |
| godbyk-quickshot | okay, I made it to the 'choose your language/screenshot' dialog. | 23:16 |
| godbyk-quickshot | the first two paragraphs are unnecessary. | 23:16 |
| ubuntujenkins | woooo thats as far as it goes in main | 23:16 |
| godbyk-quickshot | the program doesn't need to brag about what it's done, and that info isn't particularly helpful to the user. | 23:16 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok also noted | 23:17 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, | 23:17 |
| daker | type 127.0.0.1 in your browser | 23:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | it works aparently | 23:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks godbyk-quickshot any other thoughts? | 23:18 |
| daker | second thing | 23:18 |
| godbyk-quickshot | hitting cancel makes the window go away. but the process is just marked <defunct> | 23:18 |
| daker | cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | 23:19 |
| daker | touch rewrite.load | 23:19 |
| daker | gedit rewrite.load (you may use any editor to edit this file) | 23:19 |
| daker | now paste this following line | 23:19 |
| daker | LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so | 23:19 |
| daker | Then edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default | 23:19 |
| daker | Find the following | 23:19 |
| daker | Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews | 23:19 |
| daker | AllowOverride None | 23:19 |
| daker | Order allow,deny | 23:19 |
| daker | allow from all | 23:19 |
| daker | and change it to | 23:19 |
| daker | Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews | 23:19 |
| daker | AllowOverride all | 23:19 |
| daker | Order allow,deny | 23:19 |
| daker | allow from all | 23:19 |
| daker | and finally restart Apache | 23:19 |
| daker | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart | 23:19 |
| godbyk-quickshot | ubuntujenkins, you should also make sure I'm not already running at 800x600 before you tell me you're going to change the res. | 23:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks very much godbyk-quickshot lots to do I am going to mail the list the log | 23:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | that could be hard | 23:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | *very | 23:20 |
| godbyk-quickshot | I'm going to logout of quickshot. brb. | 23:21 |
| godbyk | okay, back. | 23:22 |
| godbyk | It seemed like quickshot spent a lot of time telling me what it had done, what it was doing, and what it was going to do. | 23:23 |
| godbyk | Most of that can be hidden behind a progress bar and a small label. | 23:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | I didn't write those bits. | 23:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will change them | 23:23 |
| godbyk | Only pester the user if you're about to do something potentially dangerous or if you require information from the user. | 23:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok I looked up the gnome hig and it is long | 23:25 |
| godbyk | We should strive to make it as easy as possible for the user (at the sake of making it more difficult for the developer). | 23:26 |
| godbyk | heh, yeah, it is. | 23:26 |
| godbyk | You'll really only care about the dialog design parts, though. | 23:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker etc/init.d/apache2 restart | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | * Restarting web server apache2 apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | no listening sockets available, shutting down | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | Unable to open logs | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | I think it would be easyier if we could get it on a server so that all could look | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | sorry about the spam | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok got it godbyk I shall focus on those bits | 23:27 |
| godbyk | if it's the ubuntu-manual site that daker is working on, he can put his code in ubuntu-manual/website/daker/ and we can view it on the test.ubuntu-manual.org server. | 23:28 |
| daker | godbyk, its possible ? | 23:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | that would make more sense | 23:28 |
| godbyk | daker: Yes. Just make a new directory under the website/ dir and put your code in there. | 23:30 |
| godbyk | I'll link it to a subdir under the test.ubuntu-manual.org site for you. | 23:30 |
| daker | oki | 23:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | night people, thanks again godbyk | 23:33 |
| godbyk | no problem. see ya, ubuntujenkins. | 23:33 |
| daker | godbyk, daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr push --no-strict lp:ubuntu-manual | 23:34 |
| daker | No new revisions to push. | 23:34 |
| godbyk | daker: what's 'bzr status' say? | 23:35 |
| daker | daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr status | 23:35 |
| daker | removed: | 23:35 |
| daker | website/wolter-remake/share/images/button_outline.png | 23:35 |
| daker | website/wolter-remake/share/scripts/buttons.js | 23:35 |
| daker | modified: | 23:35 |
| daker | website/countdown/index.html | 23:35 |
| godbyk | daker: did you 'bzr add website/daker' or whatever dir you added? and then 'bzr commit'? | 23:35 |
| daker | website/countdown/style.css | 23:35 |
| daker | unknown: | 23:35 |
| daker | website/daker/ | 23:35 |
| daker | website/countdown/style.css.BASE | 23:35 |
| godbyk | aha. | 23:35 |
| daker | website/countdown/style.css.OTHER | 23:36 |
| daker | website/countdown/style.css.THIS | 23:36 |
| daker | conflicts: | 23:36 |
| daker | Text conflict in website/countdown/style.css | 23:36 |
| godbyk | run bzr add website/daker | 23:36 |
| godbyk | it looks like you've modified some other things. did you intend to? (like the countdown stuff and the wolter-remake button stuff) | 23:36 |
| daker | yep | 23:37 |
| daker | i have to re pull it ? | 23:37 |
| godbyk | okay. it looksl ike the website/countdown/style.css file has some conflicts. you should look into those before you commit that file. | 23:37 |
| godbyk | but for now, to get your site up, do this: | 23:37 |
| godbyk | 1. bzr add website/daker | 23:38 |
| godbyk | 2. bzr commit website/daker | 23:38 |
| daker | done | 23:38 |
| godbyk | 3. bzr push | 23:38 |
| daker | daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr commit website/daker | 23:39 |
| daker | bzr: ERROR: Conflicts detected in working tree. Use "bzr conflicts" to list, "bzr resolve FILE" to resolve. | 23:39 |
| godbyk | okay. that's complaining about the website/countdown/style.css file | 23:39 |
| godbyk | look at the website/countdown/style.css.OTHER and website/countdown/style.css.THIS files | 23:39 |
| godbyk | figure out how best to merge all of that. | 23:39 |
| godbyk | then type 'bzr resolve website/countdown/style.css' and fix up the .css file | 23:40 |
| daker | g | 23:45 |
| daker | godbyk, | 23:45 |
| daker | daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr commit -m website/daker/ "first prototype of the website" | 23:45 |
| daker | bzr: warning: The commit message is a file name: "website/daker/". | 23:45 |
| daker | (use --file "website/daker/" to take commit message from that file) | 23:45 |
| daker | Committing to: /home/daker/ubuntu-manual/ | 23:45 |
| daker | aborting commit write group: PathsNotVersionedError(Path(s) are not versioned: "first prototype of the website") | 23:45 |
| daker | bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: "first prototype of the website" | 23:45 |
| godbyk | daker: put the -m after the website/daker/ | 23:45 |
| godbyk | so bzr commit website/daker -m "Daker's prototype of the website" | 23:45 |
| daker | done | 23:46 |
| godbyk | daker, okay, now 'bzr push' | 23:47 |
| daker | bzr push | 23:48 |
| daker | bzr: ERROR: Working tree "/home/daker/ubuntu-manual/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). Use --no-strict to force the push. | 23:48 |
| godbyk | try 'bzr push --no-strict' | 23:48 |
| daker | daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr push --no-strict | 23:52 |
| daker | Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/ | 23:52 |
| daker | bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information. | 23:52 |
| godbyk | daker: run 'bzr pull' then 'bzr merge' | 23:53 |
| daker | daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr pull | 23:54 |
| daker | Using saved parent location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/ | 23:54 |
| daker | bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. Use the missing command to see how. | 23:54 |
| daker | Use the merge command to reconcile them. | 23:54 |
| daker | daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr merge | 23:54 |
| daker | bzr: ERROR: Working tree "/home/daker/ubuntu-manual/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). | 23:54 |
| daker | daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr status | 23:55 |
| daker | removed: | 23:55 |
| daker | website/wolter-remake/share/images/button_outline.png | 23:55 |
| daker | website/wolter-remake/share/scripts/buttons.js | 23:55 |
| daker | modified: | 23:55 |
| daker | website/countdown/index.html | 23:55 |
| daker | website/countdown/style.css | 23:55 |
| godbyk | okay. there are too many things going on there. | 23:56 |
| godbyk | let's do this. | 23:56 |
| godbyk | zip up your daker-remake dir and email it to me at <godbyk@gmail.com> | 23:56 |
| godbyk | I'll add it to the branch for you. | 23:56 |
| daker | oki | 23:56 |
| godbyk | then we can clean up your local branch so that you're ready to make changes and commit them. | 23:56 |
| godbyk | :) | 23:56 |
| godbyk | brb. | 23:58 |
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