| * persia has about a 14% chance of being awake at that hour, and shares apologies in advance. | 10:48 | |
| ScottL | developer meeting in less than 30 minutes | 18:35 |
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| ScottL | detrate, JuniperJaxx persia rlameiro TheMuso ^^^ | 18:35 |
| ScottL | agenda - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010Mar14 | 18:35 |
| rlameiro | hello | 18:59 |
| rlameiro | meeting time | 18:59 |
| ScottL | who's here for the meeting? | 18:59 |
| quadrispro | hello folks | 18:59 |
| rlameiro | me | 19:00 |
| ScottL | I'd like to wait about five minutes and see who else shows up if that's okay | 19:01 |
| rlameiro | is it to early for stochastic? | 19:01 |
| rlameiro | for me its ok | 19:01 |
| ScottL | here's a link to the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010Mar14 | 19:01 |
| quadrispro | here i am :) | 19:01 |
| ScottL | re: stochastic, it should be around 2:00pm for him, but he does keep slightly different hours I believe | 19:02 |
| ScottL | hi quadrispro, glad you joined us | 19:02 |
| rlameiro | i will make coffe then | 19:02 |
| rlameiro | 5 minutes and i come | 19:02 |
| quadrispro | I'm happy being there | 19:05 |
| rlameiro | back | 19:08 |
| ScottL | *sigh* not much of a turn out, i'm suggesting we postpone the meeting since we don't have too many people here | 19:10 |
| rlameiro | np for me | 19:11 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: I wanted to discuss an idea with you | 19:11 |
| ScottL | we _could_ run through the agenda but there wouldn't be many answers for many of the questions | 19:11 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, please, go ahead | 19:11 |
| rlameiro | I was thinking in making a python GUI that could help and ease the install software outside ubuntu | 19:12 |
| ScottL | installing non-ubuntu applications? | 19:12 |
| rlameiro | something like having people posting the deb repo to a website and the software will add the line to aptlist | 19:12 |
| rlameiro | yeap | 19:13 |
| rlameiro | there is a lot of software outside universe | 19:13 |
| rlameiro | for example | 19:13 |
| rlameiro | pd extended | 19:13 |
| rlameiro | and others | 19:13 |
| rlameiro | the idea is to simplify the process of install of software that didnt got to Universe | 19:14 |
| ScottL | hmm, that could certainly be helpful to a lot of people | 19:14 |
| rlameiro | devs or uses could put into the db the software links | 19:14 |
| ScottL | it might even help people to try out new applications who might then suggest we officially package them for inclusion into Ubuntu Studio | 19:14 |
| rlameiro | or maybe copy the debs all to one pps to this | 19:14 |
| rlameiro | of course it will have warnings telling that it isnt ubuntu certified etc | 19:15 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: yeap | 19:15 |
| rlameiro | thas the idea | 19:15 |
| rlameiro | dont know | 19:15 |
| rlameiro | plugins, new releases etc | 19:15 |
| rlameiro | maybe it only could get it only on 10.10 | 19:16 |
| rlameiro | but anyway its something i could try to hack | 19:16 |
| ScottL | of course if there is a .deb file then they could just download the .deb to their desktop and double click the file too | 19:16 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: can I make a ppa and copy debs from other places? | 19:17 |
| rlameiro | makin it like a repo | 19:17 |
| rlameiro | or it needs to be packaged by me? | 19:17 |
| ScottL | I don't think you can copy .debs to a ppa | 19:17 |
| rlameiro | hummm | 19:18 |
| rlameiro | well i will find a way | 19:18 |
| rlameiro | either adding deb repos or direct links to download | 19:19 |
| rlameiro | the software will only use apt-get and wget etc... | 19:19 |
| ScottL | it is possible to create your own personal (and available to others) repository though | 19:19 |
| ScottL | you could copy the .deb files to your personal repository and others could add it to their sources.list | 19:20 |
| ScottL | this is not releated to PPAs by the way | 19:20 |
| rlameiro | something like that | 19:20 |
| rlameiro | why no? | 19:20 |
| ScottL | quick google search - http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-create-your-own-debian-or-ubuntu-package-repository/ | 19:21 |
| ScottL | creating your own repository is not directly related to PPAs and would not be hosted by Canonical, Launchpad, etc | 19:22 |
| rlameiro | yeah, the proplem would be the bandwith... | 19:22 |
| ScottL | BUT, you would have complete control over content and should be able to populate it by copying .debs directly to it, I believe | 19:22 |
| rlameiro | yes it seams a good way to go | 19:23 |
| ScottL | oh, and updated (maybe automatically) the packages list | 19:23 |
| ScottL | s/updated/update | 19:23 |
| ScottL | just because you copy the .deb file there doesn't mean everyone knows its there, even if they update their sources | 19:23 |
| ScottL | the packages list tells synaptic (or apt) what packages are available | 19:24 |
| ScottL | if you are good at packaging then you could do like others (like falktx) and build packages in your own PPA | 19:24 |
| rlameiro | i a | 19:25 |
| rlameiro | i am not a good packager | 19:25 |
| rlameiro | i am not a packager at all :D | 19:25 |
| rlameiro | but i will tr | 19:25 |
| rlameiro | try to learn it | 19:25 |
| ScottL | he's got 177 packages here, and this is just for lucid - https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid | 19:26 |
| rlameiro | this is one example of a source this tool could add | 19:26 |
| ScottL | other people's PPAs can be extremely helpful when packaging for inclusion into the archives | 19:27 |
| ScottL | many people just package for personal reasons or for others to use from their PPAs, but not officially | 19:28 |
| ScottL | you can download their source, make sure it followes the packaing guide and submit to REVU | 19:28 |
| rlameiro | it could be also the fact tha packaging officially it is not easy | 19:28 |
| ScottL | it's an extra step (or two) that many people don't want to take | 19:29 |
| ScottL | that is very true, i'm still getting my first package through REVU and needed to take a month off to get other things done | 19:29 |
| ScottL | plus I made the mistake to ask Persia to check it, and boy did he check it! | 19:30 |
| rlameiro | lol | 19:30 |
| ScottL | just kidding about it being a mistake | 19:30 |
| rlameiro | how works the debian and ubuntu sync? | 19:30 |
| ScottL | he's helped me learn metric tonnes about packaging and ubuntu proccesses in general | 19:30 |
| ScottL | sync request - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess | 19:31 |
| ScottL | but an simplied overview is... | 19:31 |
| ScottL | make sure their are not ubuntu specific changes made | 19:31 |
| ScottL | if not, then file a sync request from debian | 19:31 |
| ScottL | if not, then it's a merge request and that is a bit more complicated | 19:32 |
| ScottL | scratch that last line | 19:32 |
| ScottL | if their are ubuntu specific changes, then it's a merge request and that is a bit more complicated | 19:32 |
| ScottL | s/their/there | 19:32 |
| rlameiro | I see | 19:33 |
| rlameiro | well | 19:33 |
| rlameiro | I go now to my girlfriend | 19:33 |
| rlameiro | cya | 19:33 |
| ScottL | okay, good talking to you again rlameiro | 19:33 |
| rlameiro | and thanks for the info ScottL | 19:33 |
| ScottL | very, very glad to be helpful | 19:34 |
| ScottL | quadrispro, I'm probably going to go push my son on the swing | 19:34 |
| ScottL | after I talk to a few devs on IRC about a better time I hope to reschedule the meeting again | 19:35 |
| quadrispro | ok | 19:36 |
| ScottL_ | TheMuso, if we reschedule the -dev meeting, would you like your availability considered? | 22:19 |
| ScottL_ | i'm hoping to coordinate with persia and stochastic as well | 22:19 |
| TheMuso | ScottL_: not particularly, rather swamped atm | 22:58 |
| ScottL_ | TheMuso, okay, thanks | 23:05 |
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