[10:48]  * persia has about a 14% chance of being awake at that hour, and shares apologies in advance.
[18:35] <ScottL> developer meeting in less than 30 minutes
[18:35] <ScottL> detrate, JuniperJaxx persia rlameiro TheMuso ^^^
[18:35] <ScottL> agenda - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010Mar14
[18:59] <rlameiro> hello
[18:59] <rlameiro> meeting time
[18:59] <ScottL> who's here for the meeting?
[18:59] <quadrispro> hello folks
[19:00] <rlameiro> me
[19:01] <ScottL> I'd like to wait about five minutes and see who else shows up if that's okay
[19:01] <rlameiro> is it to early for stochastic?
[19:01] <rlameiro> for me its ok
[19:01] <ScottL> here's a link to the agenda   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010Mar14
[19:01] <quadrispro> here i am :)
[19:02] <ScottL> re: stochastic, it should be around 2:00pm for him, but he does keep slightly different hours I believe
[19:02] <ScottL> hi quadrispro, glad you joined us
[19:02] <rlameiro> i will make coffe then
[19:02] <rlameiro> 5 minutes and i come
[19:05] <quadrispro> I'm happy being there
[19:08] <rlameiro> back
[19:10] <ScottL> *sigh* not much of a turn out, i'm suggesting we postpone the meeting since we don't have too many people here
[19:11] <rlameiro> np for me
[19:11] <rlameiro> ScottL: I wanted to discuss an idea with you
[19:11] <ScottL> we _could_ run through the agenda but there wouldn't be many answers for many of the questions
[19:11] <ScottL> rlameiro, please, go ahead
[19:12] <rlameiro> I was thinking in making a python GUI that could help and ease the install software outside ubuntu
[19:12] <ScottL> installing non-ubuntu applications?
[19:12] <rlameiro> something like having people posting the deb  repo to a website and the software will add the line to aptlist
[19:13] <rlameiro> yeap
[19:13] <rlameiro> there is a lot of software outside universe
[19:13] <rlameiro> for example
[19:13] <rlameiro> pd extended
[19:13] <rlameiro> and others
[19:14] <rlameiro> the idea is to simplify the process of install of software that didnt got to Universe
[19:14] <ScottL> hmm, that could certainly be helpful to a lot of people
[19:14] <rlameiro> devs or uses could put into the db the software links
[19:14] <ScottL> it might even help people to try out new applications who might then suggest we officially package them for inclusion into Ubuntu Studio
[19:14] <rlameiro> or maybe copy the debs all to one pps to this
[19:15] <rlameiro> of course it will have warnings telling that it isnt ubuntu certified etc
[19:15] <rlameiro> ScottL: yeap
[19:15] <rlameiro> thas the idea
[19:15] <rlameiro> dont know
[19:15] <rlameiro> plugins, new releases etc
[19:16] <rlameiro> maybe it only could get it only on 10.10
[19:16] <rlameiro> but anyway its something i could try to hack
[19:16] <ScottL> of course if there is a .deb file then they could just download the .deb to their desktop and double click the file too
[19:17] <rlameiro> ScottL: can I make a ppa and copy debs from other places?
[19:17] <rlameiro> makin it like a repo
[19:17] <rlameiro> or it needs to be packaged by me?
[19:17] <ScottL> I don't think you can copy .debs to a ppa
[19:18] <rlameiro> hummm
[19:18] <rlameiro> well i will find a way
[19:19] <rlameiro> either adding deb repos or direct links to download
[19:19] <rlameiro> the software will only use apt-get and wget etc...
[19:19] <ScottL> it is possible to create your own personal (and available to others) repository though
[19:20] <ScottL> you could copy the .deb files to your personal repository and others could add it to their sources.list
[19:20] <ScottL> this is not releated to PPAs by the way
[19:20] <rlameiro> something like that
[19:20] <rlameiro> why no?
[19:21] <ScottL> quick google search - http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-create-your-own-debian-or-ubuntu-package-repository/
[19:22] <ScottL> creating your own repository is not directly related to PPAs and would not be hosted by Canonical, Launchpad, etc
[19:22] <rlameiro> yeah, the proplem would be the bandwith...
[19:22] <ScottL> BUT, you would have complete control over content and should be able to populate it by copying .debs directly to it, I believe
[19:23] <rlameiro> yes it seams a good way to go
[19:23] <ScottL> oh, and updated (maybe automatically) the packages list
[19:23] <ScottL> s/updated/update
[19:23] <ScottL> just because you copy the .deb file there doesn't mean everyone knows its there, even if they update their sources
[19:24] <ScottL> the packages list tells synaptic (or apt) what packages are available
[19:24] <ScottL> if you are good at packaging then you could do like others (like falktx) and build packages in your own PPA
[19:25] <rlameiro> i a
[19:25] <rlameiro> i am not a good packager
[19:25] <rlameiro> i am not a packager at all :D
[19:25] <rlameiro> but i will tr 
[19:25] <rlameiro> try to learn it
[19:26] <ScottL> he's got 177 packages here, and this is just for lucid - https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[19:26] <rlameiro> this is one example of a source this tool could add
[19:27] <ScottL> other people's PPAs can be extremely helpful when packaging for inclusion into the archives
[19:28] <ScottL> many people just package for personal reasons or for others to use from their PPAs, but not officially
[19:28] <ScottL> you can download their source, make sure it followes the packaing guide and submit to REVU
[19:28] <rlameiro> it could be also the fact tha packaging officially it is not easy
[19:29] <ScottL> it's an extra step (or two) that many people don't want to take
[19:29] <ScottL> that is very true, i'm still getting my first package through REVU and needed to take a month off to get other things done
[19:30] <ScottL> plus I made the mistake to ask Persia to check it, and boy did he check it!
[19:30] <rlameiro> lol
[19:30] <ScottL> just kidding about it being a mistake
[19:30] <rlameiro> how works the debian and ubuntu sync?
[19:30] <ScottL> he's helped me learn metric tonnes about packaging and ubuntu proccesses in general
[19:31] <ScottL> sync request - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[19:31] <ScottL> but an simplied overview is...
[19:31] <ScottL> make sure their are not ubuntu specific changes made
[19:31] <ScottL> if not, then file a sync request from debian
[19:32] <ScottL> if not, then it's a merge request and that is a bit more complicated
[19:32] <ScottL> scratch that last line
[19:32] <ScottL> if their are ubuntu specific changes, then it's a merge request and that is a bit more complicated
[19:32] <ScottL> s/their/there
[19:33] <rlameiro> I see
[19:33] <rlameiro> well
[19:33] <rlameiro> I go now to my girlfriend
[19:33] <rlameiro> cya
[19:33] <ScottL> okay, good talking to you again rlameiro 
[19:33] <rlameiro> and thanks for the info ScottL 
[19:34] <ScottL> very, very glad to be helpful
[19:34] <ScottL> quadrispro, I'm probably going to go push my son on the swing
[19:35] <ScottL> after I talk to a few devs on IRC about a better time I hope to reschedule the meeting again
[19:36] <quadrispro> ok
[22:19] <ScottL_> TheMuso, if we reschedule the -dev meeting, would you like your availability considered?
[22:19] <ScottL_> i'm hoping to coordinate with persia and stochastic as well
[22:58] <TheMuso> ScottL_: not particularly, rather swamped atm
[23:05] <ScottL_> TheMuso, okay, thanks