[00:04] <benje2> ok i get sound with jack with deleting asound.state and force jack to 16 bit
[00:04] <benje2> but no sound with aplay or pulseaudio
[00:05] <Aris2358> hi, I need help with some bugs on lucid
[00:07] <ZykoticK9> Aris2358, could you give more details?
[00:07] <Aris2358> sound stops working
[00:07] <Aris2358> but I have no clue why
[00:08] <Aris2358> tried to restart the alsa server but it didn't work
[00:08] <benje2> hi Aris2358 which module snd_ice1712 and do you even get sound in lucid ?.
[00:08] <Aris2358> yes, I have sound in lucid
[00:09] <Aris2358> how to look the module?
[00:09] <benje2> lsmod | grep snd
[00:10] <Aris2358> I can't find snd_ice1712
[00:10] <benje2> Aris2358: snd_ice is one of the module which one do you have
[00:11] <Aris2358> I lot of them, could I post all the info lsmod gives here?
[00:12] <benje2> Aris2358: i told you that cause i have problem with it but seem to not be the same problem for you
[00:12] <benje2> Aris2358: you have a paste at paste.ubuntu.com to do that
[00:12] <Aris2358> would be helpful that info?
[00:13] <benje2> Aris2358: depending of the problem first does your sound card is see ?K
[00:14] <Aris2358> where to look at it?
[00:14] <benje2> aplay -l
[00:15] <benje2> or in sound preference
[00:16] <benje2> normaly if your sound card ius see the control volume in menu show volume level
[00:16] <Aris2358> yes, I have pasted at paste-ubuntu
[00:16] <Aris2358> can you see the paste?
[00:16] <ZykoticK9> Aris2358, you need to give the link to your paste
[00:16] <benje2> Aris2358: give us the adresse of page
[00:16] <Aris2358> oh, sorry
[00:17] <Aris2358> http://paste.ubuntu.com/395364/
[00:17] <Aris2358> yes, I have the volume control and can change the volume
[00:18] <Aris2358> normally it stops working after a few minutes of using a program called Gnu solfege
[00:22] <benje2> Aris2358: do you try sudo alsa-utils restart ? you can start gnu solfege in terminal too to see message
[00:23] <NullEntity> I feel like an idiot.
[00:23] <benje2> Aris2358: only wih this program ?
[00:23] <Aris2358> no, when it stops working no more sound
[00:23] <Aris2358> and it stops with other programs too
[00:23] <NullEntity> Ubuntu just booted up into a terminal and spend about 30 mins trying to bring up GNOME.
[00:24] <NullEntity> Then I realized I was just on the wrong display.
[00:24] <benje2> NullEntity: try space or click on mouse
[00:24] <benje2> :)
[00:24] <NullEntity> ?
[00:24] <benje2> Aris2358: ok it stop for all program but does other sound program stop sound too
[00:24] <NullEntity> I booted up into a terminal.
[00:24] <Aris2358> yes, thats it
[00:24] <NullEntity> Instead of GNOME
[00:25] <benje2> NullEntity: yes it keep last tty you use
[00:25] <Aris2358> but with solfege is very easy to get that
[00:25] <Aris2358> I mean, no matter what, sooner or later I lost the sound
[00:25] <benje2> Aris2358: do you try restarting alsa and pusleaudio ?
[00:25] <NullEntity> I get it. It crashed on my before (weird bar pattern). No sysreq keys or anything, but I did try getting to tty1.
[00:25] <Aris2358> I tried it, but let me try it again
[00:26] <Aris2358> I have just lost the sound right now
[00:27] <benje2> Aris2358: normaly pulse audio restart it self
[00:27] <Aris2358> tried alsa-utils restart, and nothing
[00:28] <Aris2358> the program works like if nothing happened
[00:29] <benje2> Aris2358: gnu solfege don't see that there no sound card ?
[00:29] <Aris2358> not only solfege, no sound right now
[00:29] <Aris2358> no matter what application I use
[00:29] <benje2> Aris i understand that you get no more sound
[00:30] <Aris2358> no, no more sound
[00:30] <Aris2358> or yes, no more sound
[00:30] <Aris2358> I have to reboot if I want any sound again
[00:31] <benje2> Aris2358: paste the dmesg too . if you start gnu solfege again in terminal does it claim about no sound card ?
[00:32] <Aris2358> no, it is just happy, in fact sound preferences says when I use solfege 'Alsa-plug-in timidity'
[00:32] <Aris2358> in the applications tab of sound preferences
[00:33] <benje2> Aris2358: ok paste the result of dmesg command
[00:33] <Aris2358> ok, one moment please
[00:35] <benje2> Aris2358: do you try to restart timidity too ?
[00:37] <NullEntity1> Is there a crash log? >.<
[00:38] <Aris2358> sorry, I found another bug, and had to restart
[00:38] <Aris2358> I was unable to write anything
[00:38] <NullEntity> Is there a crash log?
[00:39] <Aris2358> now I have sound again
[00:39] <Aris2358> must I try to lost it again?
[00:40] <yofel> NullEntity: crash log for what? if apport catched the crash you should have one in /var/crash/
[00:43] <benje2> Aris2358: yes but start program in terminal
[00:43] <benje2> Aris2358: do you try to restart timidity too ?
[00:44] <Aris2358> how can I restart timidity?
[00:44] <Aris2358> totem doesn't have sound either
[00:45] <benje2> Aris2358: sudo /etc/init.d/timidty restart
[00:45] <Aris2358> ok thanks
[00:46] <benje2> Aris2358: but pulseaudio seem to have many problem
[00:46] <NullEntity> yofel: the system just quit responding
[00:46] <Aris2358> still trying to lose the sound
[00:46] <benje2> don't know why they don't use jack intead
[00:46] <benje2> Aris2358: yes but in terminal
[00:47] <Aris2358> I lost it again, and yes, I am in terminal
[00:47] <benje2> Aris2358: and you can start gnusolfege with strace to get more messages
[00:47] <benje2> no message ?
[00:48] <Aris2358> it puts a different message
[00:48] <Aris2358> I am going to paste it
[00:48] <NullEntity> I double clicked the log, but Apport said it couldn't send it
[00:48] <DanaG> timidity likes to hog the audio device.
[00:49] <NullEntity> and I found out gedit doesn't like files that big :-D
[00:49] <DanaG> I've just gone to having timidity starts as me, instead of as its own user.
[00:50] <LADmaticCA> anyone got working sound with emesene, just curious?
[00:50] <Aris2358> http://paste.ubuntu.com/395380/
[00:50] <Aris2358> now always says Playing time: ~5 seconds
[00:51] <yofel> NullEntity: the cannot connect to database issue is known
[00:51] <yofel> NullEntity: please try again in a few days
[00:51] <benje2> Aris2358: stop gnu solfege and restart timidity   pste the dmesg too
[00:51] <Aris2358> ok
[00:51] <NullEntity> No, it said that it doesn't support sending failed assertions or something along those lined.
[00:51] <NullEntity> lines*
[00:52] <Aris2358> restart timidity
[00:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. when useing the pastebinit command. i cant seem to find a way to delete the post.
[00:52] <yofel> Dr_Willis: that depends on the pastebin server you're using, some support it some not
[00:53] <Dr_Willis> yofel:  yea. reading at the pastebin.com site. - seems if you use a browser it sets a cookie so you can delete it.
[00:53] <Aris2358> sorry, I forgot, how can I restart timidity?
[00:53] <Dr_Willis> but the pastebinit command dosent get the cookie set.. so you cant delete the thing
[00:53] <Dr_Willis> at least pastebinit is now working in 10.04 :)
[00:54] <benje2> Aris2358: sudo /etc/init.d/timidity restart*
[00:54] <Aris2358> ok, I restarted timidity
[00:55] <benje2> Aris2358: still no sound ? if so stop timidity restart alsa and pulsaudio
[00:55] <Aris2358> http://paste.ubuntu.com/395382/    and still not sound
[00:57] <Aris2358> how to restart alsa and pulseaudio?
[00:58] <fabio333> Aris2358: no sound at all?
[00:58] <benje2> Aris2358: seem that you have problem with hpet clock too
[00:58] <Aris2358> sorry, I forgot
[00:58] <benje2> Aris2358: note it i wouldn't repeat all time
[00:59] <benje2> fabio333: he get sound but he loose it
[00:59] <benje2> Aris2358: sudo alsa-utils restart && sudo killall pusleaudio
[01:00] <Aris2358> no sound after "sudo alsa-utils restart && sudo killall pusleaudio"
[01:00] <benje2> for pusleaudio it's not the better way but i don't know how do this a better way
[01:00] <benje2> Aris2358: do you stop timidity ?
[01:00] <Aris2358> I restarted timidity before
[01:01] <benje2> no stop it
[01:01] <benje2> there was problem before between both timidity and pulseaudio
[01:01] <Aris2358> ok I'll stop it
[01:02] <benje2> Aris2358: restart alsa and pusle again
[01:02] <Aris2358> timidity stoped
[01:03] <Aris2358> "sudo alsa-utils restart && sudo killall pusleaudio" done
[01:03] <benje2> try sound
[01:03] <Aris2358> no sound, totem neither
[01:04] <fabio333> Aris2358: use gstreamer-settings for the test
[01:04] <fabio333> when u there also change the plugin
[01:05] <Aris2358> gstreamer-settings?
[01:06] <fabio333> you have it
[01:06] <fabio333> sorry
[01:07] <benje2> gstreamer-properties
[01:07] <fabio333> i'm not on kde and the name is a little different
[01:07] <fabio333> yes
[01:07] <fabio333> benje2: thank u
[01:07] <benje2> fabio333: he loose it with timidity alsa plugin but the hpet clock change is time too
[01:08] <benje2> fabio333: and after we don't get it again without restart computer
[01:09] <Aris2358> gstreamer-properties tried all the options, no sound
[01:09] <benje2> Aris2358: try to unload and reload modules
[01:10] <fabio333> Aris2358: cat /proc/asound/modules ?
[01:10] <Aris2358> cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:10] <Aris2358>  0 snd_hda_intel
[01:10] <Aris2358>  1 snd_hda_intel
[01:11] <Aris2358> sorry, what modules? timidity, alsa, pulseaudio?
[01:11] <benje2> Aris2358: this is program
[01:12] <benje2> Aris2358: module is the result of the last commande ( snd_hda_intel )
[01:12] <benje2> sudo rmmod snd_hda_intel
[01:12] <benje2> and modprobe snd_hda_intel
[01:12] <benje2> sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[01:12] <fabio333> the module is right for hda intel
[01:13] <Aris2358> sudo rmmod snd_hda_intel
[01:13] <Aris2358> ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use
[01:13] <benje2> Aris2358: cut sound application
[01:13] <benje2> Aris2358: lsof /dev/snd/* to know which use it
[01:14] <sebsebseb> HI
[01:14] <Aris2358> lsof /dev/snd/*
[01:14] <Aris2358> COMMAND    PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
[01:14] <Aris2358> pulseaudi 1893 aris   23u   CHR  116,8      0t0 4352 /dev/snd/controlC0
[01:14] <Aris2358> pulseaudi 1893 aris   30u   CHR  116,8      0t0 4352 /dev/snd/controlC0
[01:14] <Aris2358> must I kill the process?
[01:15] <benje2> Aris2358: fabio333 i don't get sound at all with pulseaudio but using jack it's ok,by deleting /var/lib/alsa/sound.state after stoping alsa and then restart it. i think pulseaudio have big problem
[01:15] <sebsebseb> Just updated my vm,  and now I finalley get to see what I am meant to be seeing for boot up, after Plymouth update,  quite basic,  not that bad,  but  Mandriva's boot up is still way better :)
[01:15] <sebsebseb> also purple icons since they aren't all there yet, places looks a bit odd
[01:16] <yofel> Aris2358: to kill pulseaudio you first need to set autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf before killing the process or it will just restart immediately
[01:16] <Aris2358> ok let me try
[01:16] <fabio333> i got rid of pulseaudio a lot time ago...
[01:18] <Aris2358> I have this line "; autospawn = yes" is it enough to put a # in front of it?
[01:18] <fabio333> sebsebseb: no plymouh here for me
[01:18] <yofel> Aris2358: no, remove the ';' at the beginning and change yes to no
[01:19] <Aris2358> and now?
[01:20] <Aris2358> sudo alsa-utils restart && sudo killall pusleaudio?
[01:20] <yofel>  Aris2358 try to kill pulseaudio and see if the device is still blocked
[01:20] <yofel> Aris2358: other way around I think
[01:25] <Aris2358> sudo killall pulseaudio
[01:25] <Aris2358> pulseaudio: no process found
[01:26] <benje2> Aris2358: sudo rmmod snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[01:27] <benje2> to kill pusleaudio and no for me give me sound in gnome yep :p
[01:27] <Aris2358> ok, now works
[01:27] <benje2> and the sound .
[01:27] <benje2> ?
[01:27] <Aris2358> I have sound
[01:27] <Aris2358> ?
[01:27] <benje2> hihi #@~! pulseaudio
[01:28] <Aris2358> how is that? I don't get it
[01:28] <yofel> ...
[01:28] <benje2> Aris2358: you don't get what ?
[01:28] <Aris2358> why it works now
[01:28] <benje2> because pulseaudio block your sound card
[01:29] <benje2> like mine
[01:29] <Aris2358> perhaps someone should fill a bug or something
[01:29] <Aris2358> but I don't know what is wrong
[01:29] <benje2> Aris2358: it's pulseaudio who is wrong
[01:30] <yofel> err... of course pulse blocks the sound card, only one app can use the sound card at a time, that's why all apps should use pulse
[01:30] <yofel> if pulse is running and an app tries to use alsa directly it will fails
[01:30] <yofel> *fail
[01:30] <fabio333> the problem is with the app
[01:30] <benje2> yofel: ok but pulse have many problem it
[01:31] <benje2> fabio333: the problem is with pulseaudio not the app
[01:31] <yofel> benje2: for simple stereo output here I don't have any issues with it
[01:31] <fabio333> benje2: i mean every app should be using pulse
[01:31] <benje2> yofel: with snd_ice1712 and with tilidity and with jack ect we get problem
[01:32] <benje2> fabio333: yofel alsa use pulseaudio no ?
[01:32] <yofel> hm, I did hear that timidity has issues with pulse, but I'm really no expert on this
[01:32] <yofel> benje2: no, pulseaudio uses alsa for hardware access
[01:32] <yofel> pulse is just a sofware mixer (I think)
[01:32] <yofel> *softwaree
[01:32] <benje2> so how timidity which use alsa and aplay have no sound ?
[01:32] <yofel> *software
[01:32] <benje2> and if i put of pulse i get sound with jack
[01:33] <benje2> off
[01:33] <Aris2358> but now I lost the sound volume control lol
[01:33] <yofel> benje2: like I said, I'm no expert on this, crimsun should know more
[01:33] <benje2> Aris2358: yes this is pulseaudio which control this
[01:34] <yofel> Aris2358: yes, as gnome only supports pulseaudio for audio control
[01:34] <Aris2358> totem and solfege seems to have both sound now
[01:34] <Aris2358> never had that problem before
[01:34] <yofel> Aris2358: if you want to control alsa use alsamixer
[01:34] <Aris2358> ok thanks yofel
[01:35] <benje2> or get the old method of gnome :)
[01:35] <yofel> benje2: that doesn't exist in the current gnome ;)
[01:35] <benje2> :)
[01:35] <Aris2358> alsamixer in console? is there any other way?
[01:36] <Aris2358> not bad either
[01:37] <Aris2358> I hope some one to fix this in lucid, I don't think solfege to be the problem
[01:37] <benje2> Aris2358: for some card you can get graphic mixer with alsa-tools-gui
[01:38] <yofel> Aris2358: lets say it like this: if solfege would correctly support pulseaudio we wouldn't have this problem either
[01:38] <benje2> i will try to made work both same card now :)
[01:38] <Aris2358> anyway I lost the sound even with other programs
[01:39] <benje2> yofel: we can see it in the other way if pulseaudio was better do it will not appen
[01:39] <Aris2358> solfege just let me to lose sound faster
[01:39] <Aris2358> should I try to fill a bug then?
[01:40] <yofel> hmpf, well, sound in linux is an adventure and pulse and attempt to solve it, maybe I should look at jack sometimes
[01:40] <yofel> s/and/an
[01:40] <benje2> yofel: that what i use
[01:41] <yofel> benje2: got a nice introduction wiki page at hand?
[01:41] <benje2> yofel: does pulse will use rt and multiple card ?
[01:41] <yofel> no idea
[01:42] <benje2> yofel: which kind ? devel ? using ? but i know only in french
[01:42] <benje2> in maolinux
[01:42] <benje2> linuxmao sorry
[01:42] <yofel> heh, nevermind then, I'll google around a bit tomorrow
[01:42] <benje2> yofel: seems that ubuntu studio use it
[01:44] <benje2> yofel: i was thinking that it was better to improve jack to do less think when you need than devel an other audio server
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I never can get Lord Of the Rings Online to work in Wine.
[01:44] <yofel> heh
[01:44] <Aris2358> ok, thanks a lot to everybody for the help
[01:45] <Aris2358> thanks benje
[01:45] <benje2> Aris2358: hope that would be fix soon ;)
[01:45] <benje2> by Aris2358
[01:45] <Aris2358> bye
[01:46] <benje2> i came back with both same card to traumatize you again :)
[01:47] <Aris2358> thanks again, by benje2
[01:56] <Some_Person> Is now about the time I need to update all my (still relevant) PPAs for lucid?
[02:33] <johndarc> how do I update without breaking things?
[02:35] <DanaG> I only have two issues with PulseAudio:  A.  Wine sucks and can't handle it.  B. this bug: http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[03:43] <Some_Person> I'm getting no sound on lucid!
[03:46] <kermiac> Some_Person: you checked nothing's muted in alsamixer?
[03:46] <Some_Person> yep, nothing's muted
[03:47] <happyface> anyone know a fix to this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/469694
[03:47] <happyface> fix released - oops my bad I should update :S
[03:48] <Some_Person> How can I get my sound working?
[03:50] <kermiac> Some_Person: does speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav produce sound?
[03:50] <Some_Person> nope
[03:50] <kermiac> hmmm
[03:51] <kermiac> Some_Person: try  pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front:0 -l1 -twav
[03:51] <Some_Person> still nothing
[03:54] <Some_Person> any other ideas?
[03:55] <crimsun> Some_Person: you should give us diagnostic info first. Please use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[03:56] <Some_Person> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=8d1ca1500a15261d74739e36b55d0bbe8d9566eb
[03:58] <DanaG> oh yeah, I tried kernel-ppa 2.6.34-rc1 -- but it panics right away, and I have no way to grab a stacktrace.
[04:00] <crimsun> Some_Person: mute your s/pdif
[04:00] <crimsun> Some_Person: also, what does "pactl stat|grep ^Default" give you?
[04:01] <Some_Person> How do I mute my s/pdif?
[04:01] <crimsun> Some_Person: use alsamixer, amixer, whatever
[04:01] <Some_Person> http://paste.ubuntu.com/395440/
[04:01] <DanaG> crimsun: how do you get a system pulseaudio daemon to not keep trampling on the .pulse-cookie file?  I had to edit the init script to make it manually copy a cookie file into place.
[04:02] <DanaG> (Note that the system is headless, with ideally no local user logged on.)
[04:03] <crimsun> DanaG: trampling?
[04:03] <Some_Person> Oddly, the built-in microphone appears to be working, but nothing is being outputted
[04:03] <crimsun> what's wrong with the existing one?
[04:03] <DanaG> yeah, it creates a new .pulse-cookie in /var/run/pulse
[04:04] <DanaG> ... on the fly.
[04:04] <DanaG> It does that each time the daemon starts.
[04:04] <crimsun> DanaG: yes, that's $HOME for 'pulse'
[04:04] <DanaG> But the thing is, if I replace the file with my own cookie... it still creates a new one at start.  Or at least it did, last time I tried.
[04:05] <crimsun> why do you want to replace the file?
[04:05] <DanaG> So I can have my other systems authenticate to it.
[04:05] <DanaG> As it is right now, the .pulse-cookie files have to match for it to allow playback.  Or I have to disable authentication.
[04:06] <crimsun> Some_Person: can you verify with pasuspender -- arecord -Dplughw:0,0 -fcd    ?
[04:06] <Some_Person> I mean, in the Sound preferences, the little bar goes when I speak into or tap my microphone
[04:06] <Some_Person> Since there's no output, I can't confirm anything
[04:07] <crimsun> Some_Person: hmm, interesting. Well, sorry, I should have read a bit closer. Your 'Capture' is completely muted and zeroed.
[04:07] <Some_Person> and?
[04:08] <crimsun> Some_Person: are you *only* having problems recording?
[04:08] <Some_Person> No, I can't hear any sound
[04:08] <crimsun> Some_Person: did you paste the output from that pactl command anywhere?
[04:09] <Some_Person> yes, here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/395440/
[04:09] <happyface> lynx seems frozen on the splash loader on 2nd boot (after updating packages). should i wait or sync-umount-boot?
[04:10] <DanaG> bug 538292 ?
[04:10] <happyface> DanaG: thanks - im on my cell so cant go to that url can you tell me what to do?
[04:11] <DanaG> copy and paste from a comment:  "You will need to boot in single user mode or with init=/bin/bash to  bypass mountall, remount / read-write by hand, and install the mountall  2.8 package from the archive to recover.  (Alternatively, you can use an  ISO image as rescue media to boot from, and recover that way.) The plymouth 0.8.0~-14 package will enforce this upgrade by using  Breaks:, but we need the new mountall built on all archit
[04:12] <crimsun> Some_Person: a couple things: it really isn't surprising that you can't capture anything, since your capture control element is muted and zeroed. Also, please append options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and reboot.
[04:12] <happyface> thanks a lot DanaG
[04:12] <Some_Person> crimsun: I'm not trying to capture anything. I was merely commenting that in the Sound preferences, my microphone seems to work
[04:13] <DanaG> argh, the drm-intel-next kernel-ppa kernels all have all of STAGING disabled!
[04:14] <Some_Person> ok, rebooting
[04:15] <crimsun> DanaG: disabling auth isn't ideal, but it's the way to go currently
[04:16] <DanaG> ah, what I did was to edit the init script to copy /var/lib/pulse/.pulse-cookie to /var/run/pulse/
[04:16] <DanaG> or rather, something like that.
[04:16] <DanaG> yeah. those are the dirs.
[04:20] <Some_Person> hey thanks, it worked
[04:21] <Some_Person> first sound ever played by lucid on this system: "never gonna give you up" by rick astley
[04:21] <crimsun> Some_Person: please file a bug against alsa-driver, and include the alsa-info.sh output that you just gave me
[04:21] <Some_Person> ok
[04:21] <Some_Person> can you please link to it again?
[04:22] <crimsun> 23:56 < Some_Person> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=8d1ca1500a15261d74739e36b55d0bbe8d9566eb
[04:22] <Some_Person> thanks
[04:32] <DanaG> argh, ndiswrapper source tries to install the driver to /lib/modules/misc/
[04:39] <DanaG> say, if __log_buf is at 0xc0890ea0 in virtual memory space.... how can I tell where it'll be in physical space?
[04:39] <DanaG> Is there a standard physical memory base address on i386?
[04:40] <Some_Person> Is the "Lights Off" game any good? It doesn't work here
[04:40] <DDwi> I installed the alpha on a vm, and all the close, minmize, maximize buttons are on the left? how do I fix this back to the right? on the top of the windows
[04:42] <DanaG> alternately... is there any way to drastically slow down printk messages?
[04:44] <rww> DDwi: http://techpad.co.uk/content.php?sid=94
[04:45] <kermiac> DDwi: gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[04:46] <kermiac> oops rww beat me to it :)
[04:46] <DDwi> question #2 is who thought it was a good idea to move the buttons? >.>
[04:46] <DDwi> and have they been taken out back and beaten yet?
[04:46] <rww> DDwi: Canonical's design team, and no
[04:46] <DDwi> hope it doesn't change the setting on upgrades
[04:46] <rww> DDwi: it does
[04:47] <DDwi> there a launchpad issue on this I can vote/comment on?
[04:47] <hechu> Hi, I just upgraded 10.04 from 9.10. I found something like 'Keyboard Layer' icon stay in tray bar. Is there anybody knows what is that?
[04:47] <rww> well, it does on [old lucid] -> [current lucid] updates, I imagine a distibution upgrade does the same
[04:47] <ZykoticK9> DDwi, you can add yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633
[04:48] <kermiac> bah... why is it back to "confirmed"????
[04:48] <rww> "View all 105 comments or add a comment." O_O. People using the bugtracker as a forum, I assume?
[04:49] <hechu> 10.04 is very good and everything is just fine in my DELL. It's much like a stable release.
[04:50] <DDwi> I imagine when you annoy enough end users and they find the launchpad bug # for the problem that annoys them, you get bugtracker being used as a forum instead of bug tracker :P
[04:50] <rww> I had the fun problem mentioned in the /topic today, so I wouldn't personally say stable :)
[04:52] <Some_Person> Why is Evolution not in the Applications menu?
[04:52] <vish> kermiac_: the metacity task is confirmed ;)
[04:53] <rww> Some_Person: it got moved to the Office submenu
[04:54] <hechu> Hi, sorry to bother you. I am Chinese, and I just upgraded 10.04 from 9.10. locale: zh_CN.UTF8. I found something like 'Keyboard Layer' icon stay in tray bar. Is there anybody knows what is that?
[04:54] <DDwi> thanks ZykoticK9 for that link btw.
[04:54] <hechu> I never saw it in the pervious releases.
[04:54] <Some_Person> rww: thanks
[04:55] <ZykoticK9> DDwi, there is also a forums poll at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422
[04:56] <alkisg> hechu: from what little I know, it's an upstream gnome thing that appears automatically for people with more than one keyboard layouts. E.g. it's very handy here in Greece (when it works :D)
[04:57] <hechu> alkisg, oh... thank you.
[04:58]  * sebsebseb can't fall in love with either of the  two new themes :(
[04:58] <sebsebseb> also  installing Human from the repo, and then getting it using  the Gnome icons with everything looking good,  not quite as simple as that
[04:58] <hechu> yeah, I installed both English and Chinese locales. So I guess it appears there to let me choose different keyboard layers.
[05:00] <alkisg> hechu: just wondering, if you only install the Chinese locale, can you then type "www.google.com" in your browser?
[05:00] <alkisg> Or you only get Chinese letters in that case?
[05:00] <hechu> alkisg ,  generally, China keyboard layer is totally same with English keyboard layer.  So, if I just install Chinese locale, it also works very well.
[05:01] <hechu> ;-)
[05:01] <alkisg> Thanks. That's not the same here in Greece, we always need both layouts.
[05:02] <happyface> anyone have suggestions for this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/523108
[05:02] <hechu> alkisg, oh i see.
[05:04] <benje2> hihihi http://img534.imageshack.us/i/lucidmulticarte.png/
[05:04] <hechu> alkisg, Ha, I just deleted USA keyboard layer. And the tray icon disappeared.
[05:05] <alkisg> hechu: yup, it only appears for >=2 keyboard layout. It's a cool thing to have - it just has many problems yet... :-/
[05:05] <benje2> i cahnge the resolution and i do one with ardour :)
[05:07] <hechu> ha, it seems work very well here.
[05:07] <Some_Person> gimp doesn't get an icon in the menu?
[05:07] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, my gimp has an icon in the menu?
[05:07] <Some_Person> I see it in alacarte, but not in the menu itself
[05:11] <crimsun> Some_Person: thanks for the bug report. To get this fix into the Ubuntu kernel, it needs to get into 2.6.32.y (upstream stable) first. For that, I tend to need a valid e-mail address. Is there one I can use for you, or do you prefer to remain known by nick only?
[05:12] <Some_Person> crimsun: stownsend42@sbcglobal.net
[05:12] <crimsun> Some_Person: thanks
[05:14] <happyface> why does gnome-terminal keep making a default/"Legacy" profile after I remove it? I just want ambience!
[05:29] <benje2> GOOD NIGHT ALL
[05:31] <Andre_Gondim> how may I know if ubuntu one is connected?
[05:40] <ZykoticK9> Andre_Gondim, ubuntuone doesn't seem to be working for me at all...  sorry no help i know
[05:40] <Andre_Gondim> ok
[07:51] <Lantizia> will kubuntu 10.04 be 4.4.0 kde?
[07:53] <rww> Lantizia: 4.4.1, I think
[08:59] <sqwertle> I was attempting to compile some winsock code to test and see what my code::blocks comes equipped with out of the box and seem to have run into some problems that shouldn't be there. The code is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/395516/ (there should be nothing wrong with this) and the errors are at http://imagebin.org/88921 . I'm fairly certian I'm missing some files.
[09:13] <geser> it looks like the source code is getting executed instead of compiled
[09:14] <ZykoticK9> geser, i wouldn't worry about it - it was a crosspost from #ubuntu - i think they got an answer
[09:28] <xfact>  Whats wrong with Brasero? Whenever I am 'blanking' a removable disk, after that the disk drive completely disappearing when I am putting the disk in to my disk drive....? How to solve it?
[09:28] <ZykoticK9> !crosspost > xfact
[09:29] <xfact> Ok I am sorry
[09:29] <ZykoticK9> xfact, are you running Lucid?
[09:29] <xfact> yah, in my Vbox
[09:30] <ZykoticK9> is that where the drive is disappearing?
[09:30] <xfact> ZykoticK9, and there it's happening
[09:30] <ZykoticK9> xfact, i'm not a big fan of Brasero - although it requires the KDE libs i much prefer K3b
[09:31] <xfact> ZykoticK9, The both (linked) main drive from my Karmic koala and the  Vbox drive both disappearing
[09:31] <ZykoticK9> xfact, and this is a cdrw disc?
[09:31] <xfact> Actually I tried tht with my two different RW disk and the same happened :(
[09:32] <xfact> ZykoticK9, No DVD rw
[09:32] <ZykoticK9> xfact, i'd try with a different dvd burning software then
[09:32] <xfact> Now I have to take help of a windows machine to recover those disks (I guess those are not dead) :(
[09:33] <ZykoticK9> they should be ok, just blank them on a different system or with a different program
[09:33] <xfact> ZykoticK9, Yup, but those two disk is unavailable (due to the whole drive disappearing)
[09:34] <xfact> Different program is also useless, cause the whole drive vanishing whit those disks
[09:34] <xfact> I have to use different system
[09:37] <stc> hi all, unknowingly, I upgraded my current ubuntu9.04 server to the new lcid server. At the boot sequence the system froze and gave me a error message of mountall "cannot connect to plymounth" and nothing else. Does anyone know how to solve this problem ?
[09:38] <vega> "unknowingly" ?
[09:39] <ZykoticK9> stc, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/538292
[09:40] <vega> that's not necessarily the same problem
[09:40] <ZykoticK9> stc, oh sorry man - it isn't the same!
[09:40] <ZykoticK9> vega, is correct
[09:41] <hifi> thats not a fatar lerror
[09:41] <hifi> fatal error*
[09:41] <hifi> mountall and plymouth
[09:43] <ZykoticK9> stc, can you switch to vt1 with Alt+F1?
[09:53] <pecisk> Hi people, I have question specific about reporting about Launchpads - do I also have to use ubuntu-bug, if I report bug I have collected info from other machine? It feels for me that it could be misleading for Ubuntu devs.
[09:54] <rww> pecisk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20when%20off-line
[09:54] <pecisk> rww: ok, thanks
[09:54] <rww> pecisk: has instructions for copying over apport records and reporting from another machine
[09:54] <pecisk> well
[09:54] <pecisk> problem is that I don't own that machine
[09:54] <pecisk> and I can't access it when I want
[09:54] <rww> pecisk: if you can't do that, you'd want to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net and file directly without ubuntu-bug
[09:54] <pecisk> thanks
[09:55] <rww> attaching the wrong machine's info to the bug would just be confusing
[09:55] <vega> is f-spot still the default photo manager in lucid?
[09:55] <rww> vega: I believe so, yes
[09:56] <vega> sigh
[09:56] <rww> It's installed by default, at least. I didn't keep it around long enough to find out whether it's default for anything.
[09:56] <vega> don't understand why such a crappy piece of software made it there at all
[09:56] <pecisk> vega: Shotwell is still young (but perspective)
[09:57] <Vigo> Is it ok to install Ubuntu 10 Aplha with a 9.10 or am I asking for troubles?
[09:57] <pecisk> Vigo: for now there are lot of things broken, I would wait for Beta 1, unless you want to help devs with bug reporting
[09:58] <vega> just want some software that displays photos with the exif date printed beside/under/over the photo
[09:58] <Vigo> pecisck: Thank you, will do
[09:58] <vega> (and filename would be good too)
[09:58] <red> I'm not getting any Errormessages in PHP5, any ideaS? in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini there is error_reporting = E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED
[10:01] <pecisk> red: what setup? LAMP or something customised?
[10:02] <anichols> After Lucid Lynx's LTS version is made available, I'm thinking of installing it and seeing how it works, as compared to HH.  As part of that, I'm trying to determine how I'll want to partition my 250 gig hard drive to isolate my personal files from the OS.  What would be the smallest partition that can host LL?  And when installing software, can you install to another partition, or does it have to install to the OS's partition? (Ub
[10:03] <pecisk> anichols: you can put your /usr directory under different partition than root
[10:03] <rww> anichols: your message was cut off at "partition? (U".
[10:03] <pecisk> anichols: most of app files goes under /usr
[10:03] <anichols> ...﻿What would be the smallest partition that can host LL?  And when installing software, can you install to another partition, or does it have to install to the OS's partition? (Ubuntu novice here)
[10:04] <anichols> So I'd want to have a partition for /, a partition for /usr and /home, and a partition for the swap file?
[10:04] <rww> anichols: I have 10GB for / and the rest for /home. I'm currently using about a quarter of that 10GB.
[10:05] <rww> your mileage will vary, depending on what you install.
[10:05] <balas> can i install the recommended nvidia restricted drivers on lucid for a 8600 gt ?
[10:05] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[10:05] <anichols> Does LL's swap file approximately consume the same drive space as HH's?
[10:05] <balas> without something awful happening that is
[10:05] <anichols> johnFlux: Hello
[10:06] <JohnFlux> What version of KDE will 10.04 be shipping with please?
[10:06] <vega> anichols: 10-15gb if you think you will upgrade at some point (upgrading takes quita a lot of space as all packages are downloaded first etc.)
[10:06] <pecisk> JohnFlux: KDE 4.4 I think?
[10:06] <JohnFlux> I'm a KDE developer, and I introduced a silly bug in 4.4.0 and 4.4.1.   Can I persuade someone to take the bug fix or to use 4.4.2
[10:07] <vega> anichols: swap is a partition so it will consume as much as you allocate for the swap partition..
[10:07] <rww> JohnFlux: #kubuntu-devel might be more fruitful
[10:07] <JohnFlux> thanks
[10:07] <tgpraveen12> JohnFlux: usualy it is in 4.4.x something
[10:07] <tgpraveen12> kubuntu-devel might help u more
[10:07] <rww> JohnFlux: and afaik, they're planning to ship with 4.4.1
[10:07] <JohnFlux> Yeah, but 4.4.2  won't even be tagged until the end of the month :-/
[10:07] <JohnFlux> yah
[10:07] <pecisk> JohnFlux: just report a bug and attach bug fix I think Kubuntu devs will take of it
[10:07] <pecisk> JohnFlux: provide fix for 4.4.1
[10:08] <solid_liq> 4.3.1 according to apt right now (KDE version)
[10:08] <pecisk> hmmm
[10:08] <JohnFlux> pecisk: where do I that? :)
[10:08] <pecisk> 4.3?
[10:08] <JohnFlux> solid_liq: ..  alpha 3 has 4.4.0 I think
[10:08] <anichols> vega: In HH, using the default partitioning, HH uses a 5.43 GiB swap partition.  Does LL do the same, or does it (by default) make a larger or smaller partition for linux-swap?
[10:08] <solid_liq> JohnFlux, I'm on daily build
[10:09] <solid_liq> I could be wrong about the version though
[10:09] <anichols> Could be a percentage of the overall drive, come to think of it....drivespace is 232.88 GiB for /dev/sda
[10:10] <vega> anichols: ah ok, don't know about that.. i always manual partition my drives
[10:10] <pecisk> solid_liq: seems like 4.4 for me
[10:10] <pecisk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kde&searchon=names&suite=lucid&section=all
[10:10] <solid_liq> pecisk, I'm still looking to see if I can find the version
[10:10] <vega> anichols: i think it only matters if you use hibernate (then swap must be larger than amount of RAM)
[10:10] <anichols> vega: Which is why I'm asking about it.  I'm thinking of using a boot CD of mine to make a drive image of the boot partition, and storing it on a USB key in case of a critical failure.
[10:11] <solid_liq> pecisk, okay, it's 4.4.1 (for sure this time)
[10:11] <JohnFlux> does alpha3 work okay?  any reasons to not install it?
[10:11] <pecisk> :)
[10:11] <solid_liq> JohnFlux, 4.4.1 for sure
[10:11] <anichols> vega: I do not use the hibernation feature, even when I was running Windows.  I doubt I'll start using that feature any time soon.
[10:11] <pecisk> JohnFlux: Plymouth and KMS breaks things heavily, but they are fixable, so if you for adventure, jump on it :)
[10:11] <solid_liq> suspend works great in 10.04 :)
[10:11] <vega> JohnFlux: no really serious issue (known) at least this time, see topic though
[10:12] <anichols> vega: Is there an app that I can use to monitor how much the swap space is being utilized, so I can tune the partition?
[10:12] <pecisk> rest of desktop works like charm though
[10:12] <JohnFlux> anichols: "top"  tells you
[10:12] <anichols> JohnFlux: "top"?
[10:12] <solid_liq> anyone have random lockups with 10.04?
[10:13] <JohnFlux> anichols: open up an terminal and run "top"
[10:13] <vega> anichols: dunno about graphical apps, probably yes... "free" or "top" on command line
[10:13] <JohnFlux> anichols: or use the graphical gui - gnome-system-monitor or something
[10:13] <solid_liq> I just had to restart my laptop after ubuntu froze up my machine again
[10:14] <anichols> top>  Swap:  5695000k total,        0k used,  5695000k free,   347520k cached
[10:14] <JohnFlux> anichols: so it's not being used at all :)
[10:14] <anichols> Looks like I don't use the swap partition at all.
[10:14] <vega> anichols: system -> administration -> system monitor
[10:14] <JohnFlux> anichols: the "cached" thing isn't related to the swap btw
[10:15] <JohnFlux> anichols: 6GB is _huge_ for a swap partition
[10:15] <anichols> JohnFlux> I'm a newbie here and I was copying the entire line...recently migrated to HH from XP Pro SP2.
[10:15] <JohnFlux> anichols: the default is like 200MB or something
[10:15] <solid_liq> yeah, you really don't need 6 GB for swap unless it's a server
[10:15] <anichols> JohnFlux> The partitions are the default that Ubuntu setup on guided/use entire drive.
[10:15] <JohnFlux> really?
[10:15] <anichols> Really
[10:15] <pecisk> solid_liq: no so far
[10:15] <JohnFlux> wow, ubuntu is setting up 6GB swap partitions??
[10:15] <JohnFlux> that should probably be fixed
[10:15] <vega> anichols: how much RAM do you have?
[10:15] <solid_liq> JohnFlux, no, it set a 2.25GB swap for me by default (4 GB ram)
[10:16] <anichols> vega: 1.9 GiB
[10:16] <JohnFlux> solid_liq: lol
[10:16] <solid_liq> the rule of thumb used to be 2x the amount of RAM you have should be used for swap
[10:16] <JohnFlux> if your system actually used 6GB of swap, it would be unusably slow
[10:16] <vega> seems a bit overkill yes.. 6gb of swap for 2gb of ram
[10:16] <solid_liq> but now with our high RAM capacities, that thought is changing
[10:16]  * rww has no swap
[10:17] <anichols> liq: I'm giving thought to changing swap to exactly match my RAM, so if I ever use hibernate, I can.
[10:17] <solid_liq> JohnFlux, not if it's on an SSD or it's a server
[10:17] <pecisk> that's good reason
[10:17] <anichols> Can you mount both /usr and /home to the same partition?
[10:17] <JohnFlux> solid_liq: yeah I stick all my swap on a ram disk
[10:17] <solid_liq> anichols, it would be good to add a tiny bit more than that for any accounting overhead used in the hibernate process
[10:17] <pecisk> anichols: yes
[10:18] <solid_liq> JohnFlux, lol  seriously?
[10:18] <anichols> liq, How much would you use to account for overhead?  10%?
[10:18] <JohnFlux> solid_liq: nah ;-D   But actually it's not as stupid as it seems, with compressed swap file systems
[10:18] <solid_liq> anichols, you have to mount it as root, or have the partition in LVM to create two virtual partitions for them...  well, there's another way, but I wouldn't recommend it
[10:19] <solid_liq> anichols, probably
[10:19] <anichols> liq, so I'd have to make two partitions, one for apps (/usr), and one for documents (/home)?
[10:19] <solid_liq> anichols, maybe 15% to be safe
[10:19] <solid_liq> anichols, yeah, and that's a better idea anyway
[10:19] <solid_liq> anichols, you'll want /usr to be around 10G
[10:20] <Ian_Corne> die nul was een typo
[10:20] <Ian_Corne> oops
[10:21] <anichols> liq, so 10 GiB for /, 10 GiB for /usr, 2.2 GiB for the swap file, and the remainder of the 232.88 GiB drive for /home?
[10:21] <solid_liq> anichols, no
[10:21] <solid_liq> anichols, if you have a separate /usr partition, you don't need 10GiB for /
[10:21] <anichols> liq, how much for / then?
[10:22] <anichols> And which partition would I be imaging in case of critical failure?
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: errr
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> in ONE line, let me know what you are trying to do, again
[10:22] <solid_liq> anichols, well...  I'm used to fine-grained, so I create partitions for: /, /boot/, /usr/, /usr/local/, /opt/, /home and /var
[10:22] <solid_liq> anichols, with that, I don't need much at all for /, only like a few hundred MB
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: OTOH I have a SINGLE partition
[10:23] <BUGabundo_remote> for desktop usage, nothing beats that
[10:23] <solid_liq> anichols, so, ...  /opt is almost not used at all, /var needs enough room for all the logs (a few hundred MB)
[10:23] <BUGabundo_remote> and our installer allows us to reinstall without format
[10:23] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, not true
[10:23] <BUGabundo_remote> yes, true
[10:23] <BUGabundo_remote> prove me wrong
[10:23] <solid_liq>  /usr/local doesn't use much, neither does boot
[10:23] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: still waiting on this: in ONE line, let me know what you are trying to do, again
[10:23] <anichols> Bug, I am trying to figure out the best way to partition out /dev/sda, to isolate Ubuntu (LL) when it comes out from my documents, so I can use my boot CD to create a partition image, just in case something happens to foul the system up.  That way I can reinstall from the image without losing any of my files.
[10:23] <solid_liq> anichols, so I'd say, about 2.5-3GB is enough
[10:24] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: only on OS and one version on it?
[10:24] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, easy: you want separate filesystems so that corruption in one area doesn't hose all your files in /home
[10:24] <BUGabundo_remote> 2 times the RAM for swap, and then a single partition for /
[10:24] <JohnFlux> BUGabundo_remote: 500MB should be plenty for swap
[10:24] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, plus, you can keep your /home partition intact if you want to remove your distro and install a different one
[10:24] <JohnFlux> BUGabundo_remote: don't bother going above that
[10:25] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: I would be much more worried about disk dieing then corruption
[10:25] <BUGabundo_remote> JohnFlux: not if you want hibernate to work
[10:25] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, 2x the RAM for swap is the old rule that's getting outdated.  you don't need that much anymore
[10:25] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, well then you'd be sorry when you lost your data
[10:25] <BUGabundo_remote> I have 4GB of ram, so I would need at least 4GB of swp and a bit more
[10:26] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, in the 10 years I've been running linux, I've had filesystem corruption hose data on me twice, but never had an hdd failure cause loss of data
[10:26] <anichols> If I may slip back into Windows-ese for a moment, since I'm more familiar with it, I'm looking for the Ubuntu version of doing this: (C:\ for the OS, D:\ for the programs and data, E:\ for the swap space....ideally with E:\ being on a secondary HD altogether for a performance boost, but in a laptop that's not very likely to happen short of a custom job)
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: /home on another partition is only required *if*  the user is doing that, and I already asked him if he did
[10:26] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, he didn't say it was required, and neither did I.  He was already setting it up that way and wanted advice on how big to make the parititions
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: sorry of what ? don't you do backups? I know I do!
[10:27] <solid_liq> *partitions
[10:27] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: OTOH I had 6 disks die on me! oh and never full disk corruption! go figure!
[10:27] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, backups aren't always current unless you have something like Apple's timemachine
[10:27] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: you dotn get letters for linux partiotions
[10:27] <solid_liq> I haven't had an hdd fail on me under Linux ever
[10:27] <solid_liq> only back when I used windows/dos
[10:28] <anichols> Bug, I know that.  I was reverting to Windows-ese because it's more familiar to me.
[10:28] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: OFFICIAl ubuntu guide lines (and the auto installer) don't setup so many partitions, so why would you advice that to a new user?
[10:28] <anichols> Trying to get my thought out in a way that might be understandable...I'm still a newbie to Linux/Ubuntu.
[10:28] <BUGabundo_remote> just have him with ONE or maybe TWO (for home) and be done with that
[10:28] <anichols> Bug, the autoinstaller can't be that great, since it stuck me with a 5.5 G swap partition.
[10:28] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, you don't seem to listen.  As I said, HE WAS ALREADY DOING IT.  He just asked for advice on partition sizes.
[10:29] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: well the installer sets a lower limit and then a percetage of the disk
[10:29] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: I didn't read that far back in the backlog
[10:29] <anichols> Bug, But even so, it's fairly absurd since top reports I am not even using my swapfile.
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: my advice, take it as you want: make ONE partition for /, and one for swap with around 4GB.
[10:30] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, it was only a few sentences ago ;)
[10:30] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, and I addressed it to you ;)
[10:30] <solid_liq> anichols, and one for /home
[10:30] <anichols> Bug, as I stated, I want to isolate Ubuntu from my data, so I can backup the OS onto a flash memory jump drive as an image file, in case something happens to corrupt the OS install....which does happen sometimes.
[10:31] <AlanBell> bug 538292
[10:31] <solid_liq> anyone know if the online defrag tool for ext4 is working yet?
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: nothing beats clonezilla to make a full disk backup
[10:32] <anichols> ext4?  I thought Ubuntu used ext3.
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: from what I recall, the project got stale
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: ext4 for two cycles
[10:32] <AlanBell> is now a good time to update/upgrade?
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> AlanBell: its never a good time
[10:32] <AlanBell> or at least not a known bad time :-)
[10:32] <anichols> Bug, to do a FULL disk backup I'd need either a 250 G hard drive or a ton of CD-Rs....this laptop doesn't have a DVD-R on it.
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> either you are ready or don't do it
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: magic word: compression
[10:33] <solid_liq> anichols, no, it switched to ext4 for 10.04
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> AlanBell: as always: make backups, read the techinical overview, and pray
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: wrong. 9.10 was already ext4
[10:33] <anichols> Bug, re:ext4, I am using HH, haven't touched a newer distro yet...waiting for LL to be released.  re:compression, Most of my files are already compressed.
[10:33] <solid_liq> AlanBell, seems okay to me, but it's hard to say for sure
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> and 9.04 allowed user to manually choose it too
[10:33] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, as the default fs?
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[10:33] <anichols> What's the difference between ext3 and ext4?
[10:33] <AlanBell> BUGabundo_remote: yeah, just checking that plymouth build missmatch thing was resolved, sounds like it should be
[10:34] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, hmm, well I only use LTS releases, so I didn't realize that
[10:34] <BUGabundo_remote> AlanBell: seems to be
[10:34] <BUGabundo_remote> still no autologin dough
[10:34] <solid_liq> anichols, lots: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-ext4/
[10:34] <anichols> liq, *reads*
[10:34] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: in other words: Lucid will be the 1st LTS with it
[10:34] <AlanBell> BUGabundo_remote: thanks
[10:35] <solid_liq> hmm yeah, I don't have e4defrag on my system
[10:35] <BUGabundo_remote> ahah
[10:37] <anichols> Hmm, checksums, defrag, undelete, and better performance over ext3....the rest of the features don't impact a small-drive user like me.
[10:37] <solid_liq> anichols, don't forget extents ;)
[10:38] <anichols> Seems ext3 will be a better fit though, since ext4 is more prone to bugs until it's fully ironed out, according to this page.
[10:38] <anichols> liq, extents = better performance, yes?
[10:39] <solid_liq> anichols, and more efficient usage of the disk space
[10:39] <solid_liq> anichols, that article is old; ext4's bugs are more ironed out now
[10:39] <anichols> liq, Which is why it's in the LTS now, I presume....good point.
[10:40] <solid_liq> anichols, have you discovered tab-completion yet?
[10:40] <anichols> liq, no.
[10:41] <solid_liq> anichols, what IRC client are you running?
[10:41] <anichols> Anyway, back to partitions...if I'm following what's been said so far, I'm looking at a total of 3 that I'll want: / (10 G), /home (220 G), and a swap of 2.2 G, does that sound right?
[10:41] <anichols> liq, The one that comes with Pidgin?
[10:41] <rww> yes
[10:41] <solid_liq> anichols, try typing   sol   then hitting <TAB>
[10:42] <anichols> solid_liq: Interesting. :)
[10:42] <solid_liq> anichols, that sounds about right
[10:42] <solid_liq> anichols, that also works at a shell (Terminal)
[10:42] <anichols> solid_liq: Thank you.  Not sure if I like the idea, as far as terminal goes, though.
[10:43] <DSpair> Can anyone hypothesize as to why my screen flips mirrored on the horizontal axis when I activate Compiz on Lucid? Radeon 3200 graphics. I've tried deleting the xorg.conf, .gconf*, .config* and no luck.
[10:43] <solid_liq> anichols, that feature comes from a library which is well used in Linux, so you will find that functionality in many places.  If the first tab completion isn't what you wanted, simply press tab again (and again if needed) ;)
[10:43] <solid_liq> anichols, the shell in Linux (terminal as you seem to know it) is very sophisticated in the way it's been made easy to use and require minimal typing.  You'll be surprised if you spend much time in a shell.
[10:44] <anichols> For those of you with experience with multiple revisions of Ubuntu, do the partition sizes I've put out make sense for Ubuntu as a whole?  Thinking future-proofing here to a degree, for other versions as they are produced.
[10:44] <solid_liq> DSpair, have you tried configuring the monitor to tell it to flip the screen horiz. when that happens?
[10:44] <anichols> solid_liq: I hop in and out of Terminal when I need to install something the GUI refuses to give me options for.
[10:44] <anichols> solid_liq: And to do apt-get clean
[10:45] <solid_liq> anichols, if you're not having a separate /usr and you're planning to upgrade later, I'd go with 14-15GB or so for /
[10:45] <DSpair> solid_liq: It's not as simple as that. The cursor disappears and the screen will not refresh. I can hit <CTRL>+<F2> and run "metacity --replace" and get the screen back, but I never see what I'm doing.
[10:45] <solid_liq> anichols, tab will complete the command names, and after you've typed a command, it'll complete a file or directory name.  it's very intelligent about how it completes
[10:46] <anichols> solid_liq: But until the LTS after Lynx, 10 should suffice for /, right?
[10:46] <solid_liq> DSpair, I'm not sure.  I stopped using ATI video hardware several years ago because I never like their Linux drivers
[10:46] <anichols> solid_liq: *nods re: tab completion*
[10:46] <solid_liq> anichols, I'd go for at least 12.5GB
[10:47] <anichols> solid_liq: Why the extra 2.5?
[10:47] <solid_liq> anichols, because 10G was for /usr alone
[10:47] <solid_liq> anichols, and I said 2.5GB for /
[10:47] <anichols> solid_liq: Oh....oops.
[10:47] <solid_liq> anichols, I'll easily use 10GB in /usr
[10:47] <solid_liq> ...once I have everything I want installed
[10:48] <solid_liq> er well, most of 10GB
[10:48] <solid_liq> anichols, anyway, if you don't mind sparing a little more space, it would be good to make it larger even
[10:48] <DSpair> solid_liq: It worked fine under Karmic, but now I get EDID monitor detection errors and DRM errors under Lucid. Very frustrating. Ah well, I guess I'll continue asking the question until someone one here has a notion I haven't tried.
[10:48] <anichols> solid_liq: There's alot of folders off /....it makes me scratch my head a bit trying to figure out what each directory is for, sometimes.
[10:48] <solid_liq> anichols, the more free space is left over, the less fragmentation there will be.  Once a Linux filesystem goes over 90% full, the amount of fragmentation skyrockets (before that it's generally pretty low)
[10:49] <anichols> solid_liq: I know, that's why I like ext3.
[10:49] <solid_liq> anichols, tldp.org should have an article about the Linux filesystem layout
[10:49] <solid_liq> anichols, the same applies to ext4, XFS and JFS
[10:49] <anichols> solid_liq: I'll put / at 15 G, and reassess it after I install LL LTS at the end of next month.
[10:50] <solid_liq> anichols, yeah, I'm going to reinstall when the final 10.04 is released to.  Updating from daily build isn't quite the same
[10:50] <anichols> solid_liq: Right now, Disk Usage Analyzer in HH tells me I use 2 G for /usr, and 154 G for /home.
[10:51] <mfraz74> has anyone else tried using skype with 10.04?
[10:51] <anichols> *brb*
[10:51] <solid_liq> anichols, you must not have much installed yet
[10:51] <solid_liq> anichols, what does    du -hs /usr     say (in a terminal)
[10:52] <solid_liq> anichols, and     du -hs /var/
[10:53] <anichols> *returns*
[10:53] <solid_liq> anichols, no output?
[10:54] <anichols> solid_liq: $ du -hs /usr :: 2.1G	/usr
[10:54] <solid_liq> okay, so 2.1GB used in /usr
[10:54] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: most of the bugs of ext4 have been squashed in kernels 2.6.30+
[10:54] <solid_liq> and /var?
[10:54] <anichols> solid_liq: Alot of 'cannot read directory' errors, but 255M reported at the end.
[10:55] <solid_liq> anichols, try prefixing it with   sudo
[10:55] <anichols> solid_liq: Same result with no errors.
[10:55] <BUGabundo_remote> you guys still going on this talk ?
[10:55] <BUGabundo_remote> shrug
[10:55] <solid_liq> anichols, the size returned?
[10:55] <anichols> BUGabundo_remote: Yes
[10:56] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, heh
[10:56] <anichols> solid_liq: 255M /var
[10:56] <solid_liq> wow
[10:56] <solid_liq> I have 2.4GB in /var and 3.8GB in /usr, and I haven't fully settled in
[10:56] <anichols> solid_liq: brb again
[10:56] <solid_liq> well, you'll end up using a lot more space over time
[10:57] <BUGabundo_remote> see why I say one single partition?
[10:57] <BUGabundo_remote> no worries about disk space
[10:58] <BUGabundo_remote> unless the actual disc is out of space
[10:58] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, pshh, it's not that complicated
[10:58] <solid_liq> I've had mine separated out since 2000, since that was the default way a linux system was partitioned back then with redhat
[10:59] <Ian_Corne> What benefits does that have solid_liq ?
[11:00] <anichols> solid_liq: I'm back
[11:00] <solid_liq> Ian_Corne, safer from a perspective of isolating filesystem corruption, it can be faster if you have multiple drives, it makes it much easier to install a new distro (wiping off the old one) while keeping your data intact...
[11:01] <solid_liq> Ian_Corne, and it helps to reduce filesystem fragmentation...  oh, and it also helps to keep a problem with a runaway app filling a partition until it's full from bringing the whole system crashing down
[11:01] <anichols> solid_liq: I haven't found much I want to install above the initial package, and much of the bundled software I purge out since I don't need it.  So I'm mostly data over here, and light on apps.
[11:02] <solid_liq> anichols, anyway, I was saying that you'll end up using a lot more space over time, and nothing sucks more than running out of space to install something you need.  so 15GB should be good
[11:02] <anichols> solid_liq: 15 G it is then.
[11:02] <solid_liq> anichols, the more you play with Linux, the more you'll install over time
[11:02] <rww> Having a separate /home partition makes reinstalling so. much. easier.
[11:02] <anichols> solid_liq: What types of things do you have installed?
[11:03] <rye> solid_liq, re - safer - yep, and bugs #523587, #523484, #534469.
[11:03] <solid_liq> anichols, well, I'm into photography, so I have several apps installed for that, a decent amount of video apps, programming tools and editors, and various utilities and nice things to make my desktop look nicer
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: 2000 was so like the 90ies
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> wake up and smell the fresh 2010
[11:04] <BUGabundo_remote> where linux looks like OSX
[11:04] <rye> at least nothing major breaks with separate /home...
[11:04] <BUGabundo_remote> rye: ;)
[11:04] <anichols> solid_liq: I'm into programming, personally, though I find I run VirtualBox back to Windows to use VB half the time.
[11:04] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, heh, I don't need to.  It's still standard policy on our server installs because it's proven.  It's people who don't understand how people use linux well enough who caused those bugs
[11:05] <solid_liq> anichols, have you tried Python?
[11:05] <anichols> solid_liq: Python?
[11:05] <solid_liq> anichols, yeah :)  it's very easy to use, and has a lot more capability than VB
[11:05] <BUGabundo_remote> rye: are you sure? remember the cryptfs bug in Lucid when /home was in another partition, the env volume was actually mounted from /usr? lol
[11:05] <solid_liq> anichols, and it's already installed ;)
[11:06] <solid_liq> anichols, Firestarter is a nice app for setting up a firewall on your computer too
[11:06] <rww> eww firestarter
[11:06] <solid_liq> lol
[11:06] <rww> ufw on the commandline and gufw for GUI
[11:06] <rww> firestarter has always been horribly broken for me.
[11:06] <solid_liq> rww, I suppose you suggest instead learning iptables?
[11:07] <solid_liq> rww, really?  I tried it, didn't like it, but about 4 years later I saw that a friend of mine was using it and loved it, so I gave it another try and I think it's great now
[11:07] <anichols> solid_liq: How do I access Python, and is it cross-compatible so I can write apps for my Windows-using (they are resisting conversion) friends?
[11:07] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, ah, not encrypted /home yet...
[11:08] <solid_liq> anichols, yep
[11:08] <mfraz74> could never get gufw to read the rules i'd already set up with ufw
[11:08] <solid_liq> anichols, http://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/index.htm
[11:09] <anichols> solid_liq: Does Python do GUIs, or is it strictly text-only?
[11:10] <solid_liq> anichols, I think there's a #python channel on here too, and there are plenty of python fans in my channel, ##linux-coders
[11:10] <solid_liq> anichols, it'll do both
[11:10] <rww> ( #python requires you to register your nick and identify with it, which anichols doesn't appear to have done )
[11:10] <solid_liq> anichols, there's pykde for kde GUI's, pygnome for gnome GUI's, and one based off of wxwindows for cross-platform GUI's
[11:10] <anichols> solid_liq: *has been tinkering with a D&D character creator and dungeon-maker as a GM-aid and as a potential precursor to a full out D&D based game*
[11:11] <solid_liq> anichols, python should be perfect for that
[11:11] <solid_liq> anichols, I'm a C++ guy myself, but most people seem to love python.  I've played with it and enjoyed it, but I'm a diehard C++ fan
[11:11] <anichols> solid_liq: So far I've been using VB, C++, and MySQL for most of my programming work.  Loading most of my data into a database makes it easier to work with all the classes.
[11:12] <anichols> solid_liq: The only reason I've been using VB for this one so far is that C++ doesn't give you the automatic GUI.
[11:12] <solid_liq> anichols, Python has much better containers than VB, so you shouldn't need a DB for that
[11:12] <solid_liq> anichols, automatic GUI?
[11:13] <solid_liq> anichols, you mean, having to implement all the signal handling yourself in C++ instead of it being more done already for you?
[11:13] <anichols> solid_liq: Visual Basic automatically assumes that any app will have a GUI and it goes ahead and sets up a generic one for you that you can edit, and then add controls to that the program interfaces with.
[11:13] <solid_liq> oh yeah
[11:14] <anichols> solid_liq: Not that the generic is always a good fit, I usually half-disassemble it anyway for certain specialized apps.
[11:14] <solid_liq> last time I had a job writing code in VB ended in 1998, so I'd forgotten that heh
[11:14] <solid_liq> VB6 was new back then
[11:14] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: you really should move forward! firestarter is not even a recommended app anymore
[11:15] <anichols> sol: Give VB NET a try, you might like it. *laughs* Anyway, I should really give #python a try...how do I setup my username here so I can access that channel?
[11:15] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, why's that?
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> ufw and gufw are
[11:15] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, why?  are they better somehow?
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> I do value old knowlage, but it seems Ubuntu is no longer like the Old GNU/Linux ways
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: not better per si, as an app, but better integraded with the OS and Policies
[11:17] <BUGabundo_remote> core ppl working on ufw and not so much on firestarter
[11:17] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, better integrated how?  the actual firewall is an iptables script either way, and the kernel handles the iptables work
[11:17] <anichols> How do I register so I can join #python?
[11:17] <BUGabundo_remote> anichols: /nickserver help
[11:17] <mfraz74> do you just register your nick with the nickserver?
[11:17] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, meh, I just looked at it, and the UI on it is way too minimal
[11:18] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, er no
[11:18] <BUGabundo_remote> yes it is
[11:18] <solid_liq> anichols, /msg nickserv help
[11:18] <BUGabundo_remote> ^^^ on ufw
[11:18] <solid_liq> anichols, /nickserver would only be the command for your irc client
[11:18] <BUGabundo_remote> which is pigdgin from what I remember, right?
[11:19] <BUGabundo_remote> WOW, this is lagging today! did the gtk bug returned?
[11:19] <solid_liq> I don't ever use pidgin for irc personally
[11:19] <solid_liq> everything is as fast as usual for me
[11:19] <solid_liq> and I'm up to date
[11:19] <anichols> It's /nickserv, not /nickserver....took me a minute to figure that one out.
[11:19] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, see?  ;)
[11:19] <anichols> Got it just before solid_liq suggested it.
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> hey, at least I made you work out your brain cells!
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> much easier then having everything handed over :p
[11:21] <solid_liq> lol
[11:21] <solid_liq> easier?
[11:21] <anichols> Relogging to institute the password on this username. :P
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: I'm remotelly connected, so I do notice slow downs
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: as in , easier for me
[11:21] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, oh, I'm running directly on a core i5, so they're harder to detect for me
[11:22] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, using FreeNX?
[11:22] <BUGabundo_remote> freenx ftw
[11:22] <solid_liq> :D
[11:22] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: believe me, 1 month ago, you would notice it
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: can you believe I only found out about this two months ago?
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> and I'm loving it!
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> would die, if I could do 3D on this too
[11:23] <solid_liq> lol
[11:24] <anichols> Speaking of 3D, I doubt my laptop could manage that part of Lucid.
[11:24] <anichols> My laptop is sadly a bit primitive.
[11:24] <vishu> guys ,how to connect to an irc through a proxy?
[11:24] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, I remember the pain of configuring FreeNX when it was new.  You're lucky you didn't have to deal with that.  it took a few days to setup back then
[11:24] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: err its like : install package, DONE
[11:24] <solid_liq> vishu, what type of proxy?
[11:24] <BUGabundo_remote> zero work
[11:25] <solid_liq> BUGabundo_remote, like I said ;)
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> weird. My netbook hung on one bootup.. then booted fine the next one..
[11:25] <solid_liq> Dr_Willis, I've had that happen
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> Unless it was due to being on battery the first time. and AC the 2nd..
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> so nice, that I'm doing a quick talk on it, next Saturday, on our LUG
[11:25] <solid_liq> Dr_Willis, long time no see
[11:26] <vishu> i dunno
[11:26] <solid_liq> vishu, is it a proxy you have to configure in your browser?
[11:27] <vishu> no Xchat
[11:27] <vishu> actually all ips from asia are blocked by that irc
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Finally got Lord Of the Rings Online working in Wine.. and the mouse pointer vanishes. :)
[11:28] <solid_liq> lol
[11:28] <vishu> ?
[11:28] <solid_liq> vishu, that was directed at Dr_Willis
[11:29] <solid_liq> vishu, maybe tor will work for you
[11:30] <vishu> tor?
[11:30] <solid_liq> vishu, google it ;)
[11:31] <IdleOne> can someone give a quick explanation or point me to a wiki about the score that I get sometimes when doing updates/upgrades?
[11:31] <IdleOne> example I just got score is 119
[11:31] <IdleOne> there is no indication if that is a good score or a bad score
[11:35] <anichols> IdleOne: Maybe it's based on IQ, anything higher than 100 is good? *laughs*  Seriously, I have no idea, though.
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> The apt guides/docs may tell. but ive never really noticed how they get the scores.
[11:35] <IdleOne> anichols: if it is based on IQ it is seriously under scoring me :)
[11:36] <anichols> IdleOne: :D As it would almost any Linux user.
[11:36] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: never saw anything in the apt man pages about the scoring system
[11:36] <anichols> I'm seriously liking Ubuntu more than Windows...wish I had migrated years ago so I wasn't such a noob.
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  only time irember seieng scores was when there was one or more ways it could do somthing and wanted you to decide.. I cant even remember last time i even noticed the scores
[11:37] <IdleOne> anichols: First step to not being a noob anymore is to not use the term noob :)
[11:38] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: well my north american education has led me to set a arbitrary scale in my head and I figure the higher the better lol
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> Only noobs use the term noobs. :)
[11:38] <IdleOne> yup
[11:38] <IdleOne> it is an insulting word in my opinion
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> I find people use it on theirselfs as an excuse.....
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> 'i dont want to learn.. im a noob'
[11:40] <anichols> With me it's different.
[11:40] <IdleOne> anyway if any of you come across any explanation to the score thingy please post in here or /msg me with the info :) kthnx
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> amways amuseing to try to help someone that dosent want to actually learn anything.. see that WAY too many times in #ubuntu
[11:40] <anichols> I admit I'm still a noob with Ubuntu, but I'm slowly learning.
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> its not really Ubuntu you are larning.. but 'gnome' or 'bash' or 'command line tools' or ........
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:42] <balas> blkid isn't working for me i've no idea how to get a uuid of /dev/sdb3
[11:42] <solid_liq> IdleOne, try #debian
[11:42] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Hmm, true enough.
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> balas:  You are using it with sudo?
[11:42] <balas> oops
[11:42] <balas> thank you :)
[11:42] <solid_liq> heh
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> theres also ls -l /dev/devices/by-uuid or was it disks/by-uuid
[11:42] <IdleOne> My father has been asking me more and more questions about Ubuntu and the problem with trying to explain what Ubuntu is that I also have to explain what Linux is and there is no easy way to do it
[11:43] <IdleOne> no "real life" comparison I can make so that he gets it
[11:43] <solid_liq> anichols, you might want to read my tutorial on the 'ls' command on http://solid.linux-coders.org/ to see how much more sophisticated the Linux shell is.  Being a programmer, I think you'll like the shell quite a bit
[11:43] <IdleOne> solid_liq: will do thanks
[11:44] <solid_liq> IdleOne, why don't you just sit him in front of Ubuntu then?  that's the easiest way
[11:44] <solid_liq> IdleOne, I got my parents running Ubuntu a few years ago so they'd stop calling me about stupid windows problems.
[11:44] <anichols> solid_liq: From what I've seen ls is roughly analogous to dir in DOS.
[11:44] <solid_liq> IdleOne, it didn't take long before all they ever called about was, "what website do I go to for ____?"
[11:45] <IdleOne> solid_liq: My dad is the kinda man who wants to understand why the motor burns gasoline and not just that it does burn gasoline. I don't have to knowledge to explain it to him :/
[11:45] <solid_liq> anichols, it's not.  It has a lot more capability
[11:46] <IdleOne> solid_liq: but I have been thinking about installing a dual boot system for him so that he can try Ubuntu and then just ask me question about how to do stuff
[11:46] <solid_liq> IdleOne, that
[11:46] <solid_liq> grr
[11:46] <solid_liq> IdleOne, that's how I got my parents started with it
[11:47] <solid_liq> IdleOne, now they use Ubuntu and OS X (my brother talked my dad into buying a macbook)
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> IdleOne: aptitude scores? if you got those, its not good. QUIT while you can!
[11:47] <IdleOne> errr to you brother
[11:47] <solid_liq> heh
[11:47] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_remote: little late to tell me now :P
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> balas: ls -l /dev/uuid/by-disk ?
[11:48] <BUGabundo_remote> IdleOne: well sir, next time ill STFU
[11:48] <BUGabundo_remote> and not teach you :D
[11:48] <solid_liq> more updates available already
[11:48] <anichols> Seems no one in the #ubuntu room can help me get this controller working.  I wish the driver was cross-platform, or there was a generic Linux solution to it.
[11:49] <solid_liq> apt and ubuntu-{standard,desktop}
[11:49] <solid_liq> so I'd upgrade for those
[11:49] <anichols> Maybe I should just give it to my Windows-using girlfriend as a brithday present?
[11:49] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_remote: please next time don't stfu :) we are all here to learn and I appreciate the teachings :)
[11:49] <Damascene> hello, there is strange behavior in empathy. sometimes it starts working sometimes it start but doesn't connect
[11:49] <solid_liq> anichols, what controller?
[11:50] <anichols> It's a NYKO Airflo EX.  It has the look of a modified PS2 controller, which hooks to a USB port.
[11:50] <solid_liq> Damascene, is it the up to date version?
[11:50] <Damascene> yes
[11:50] <solid_liq> anichols, what does lsusb say about it?
[11:50] <anichols> solid_liq: lsusb?
[11:50] <solid_liq> Damascene, no idea then.  it's working fine for me
[11:50] <solid_liq> anichols, lsusb lists your connected usb devices (shell command)
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> how are you testing this device anyway?
[11:51] <anichols> solid_liq: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 124b:4d01 Nyko (Honey Bee) Airflo EX Joystick
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> when you plug it in . you should also see some info at the bottom of the dmesg output.. or 'tail -f /var/log/messages' and plug it in
[11:51] <IdleOne> [07:49:30] <babilen> IdleOne: The score is based on a metric for the "invasiveness" of certain actions. It is computed with a set of heuristics - These heuristics penalise package removal, upgrades, ...
[11:51] <IdleOne> [07:51:12] <babilen> IdleOne: *You* shouldn't decide based on the score. Just pick whatever actions suit your needs.
[11:52] <IdleOne> so there you have it
[11:52] <anichols> Wait...
[11:53] <anichols> Now for some reason it actually is working in ZSNES?
[11:53] <anichols> Ok...that's weird, I tried for 2 days, no response, and now it works?
[11:54] <BUGabundo_remote> IdleOne: that's not exaclty the best advice
[11:54] <IdleOne> ^^^ means that go with the flow and if it breaks, have a live CD handy for fixoring :P
[11:54] <BUGabundo_remote> I usually avoid so drastic messures, if aptitude is forced to choose between package
[11:54] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_remote: yeah I figured as much.
[11:54] <BUGabundo_remote> safe-upgrade is fine, full-upgrade , not so much
[11:55] <BUGabundo_remote> IdleOne: I can beat that: I made my grub boot from a daily live iso
[11:55] <BUGabundo_remote> man that's FAST
[11:55] <IdleOne> well before typing Y I did look at the packages in question and decided that they were not of vital importance to the OS running properly
[11:55] <BUGabundo_remote> it takes 10sec to boot
[11:55]  * yofel usually uses the aptitude-curses and chooses what's best there
[11:55] <yofel> s/the//
[11:55] <solid_liq> anichols, I can't find any hint of a Linux driver for it...  but since you can code, go to http://kernelnewbies.org and read about writing device drivers for Linux, and maybe you can create and contribute the driver for it.  It probably won't be too hard considering there should be a lot of existing similar drivers to look at for a reference
[11:56] <solid_liq> anichols, oh, I didn't see that message
[11:56] <anichols> solid_liq: I may just do that, but for now it seems to work in a limited fashion.
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> it proberly needs some standard driover.. but a module wasent autoloading perhaps?
[11:56] <anichols> solid_liq: The analog sticks aren't working, but the rest is....good enough for now.
[11:56] <solid_liq> anichols, lsmod  may show you what driver it loaded
[11:57] <anichols> solid_liq: That command spits out a ton of gibberish.
[11:57] <solid_liq> anichols, you can try:   lsmod | grep joy
[11:57] <anichols> solid_liq: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 124b:4d01 Nyko (Honey Bee) Airflo EX Joystick
[11:57] <anichols> solid_liq: Err bad copy
[11:57] <anichols> solid_liq: joydev                 13120  1
[11:58] <IdleOne> NOTE TO SELF: Remember to start using aptitude in interactive mode
[11:58] <solid_liq> anichols, those are column1: driver name   column2: size  col3: number of other drivers depending on it  col4: the drivers depending on it
[11:58] <vistakiller> hi
[11:58] <solid_liq> anichols, hmm, so it doesn't use the joydev driver then it looks like
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> its not jibberish :)
[11:59] <solid_liq> anichols, if you look at the names of the drivers, you'll probably be able to decipher a lot of the abbreviations
[12:02] <arand> New (3.1.4) version of virtualbox-ose in Lucid... Anyone care to confirm/defirm if Bug #510571 is fixed with this version?
[12:08] <theadmin> What kernel does Lucid come with?
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> 32
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> 2.6.32
[12:08] <theadmin> Ian_Corne: Thanks
[12:08] <solid_liq> Linux mobile1 2.6.32-16-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 9 16:33:12 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:08] <anichols> Hmm...virtualbox has issues in Lucid?
[12:10] <arand> anichols: Booting a lucid guest yes, but the bug is in vbox, and it may be that atm it's only karmic- and prior versions of vbox that has the issue still..
[12:11] <alex88> hi, i've installed ubuntu again due the grub problem after windows reinstall, now on upgrade it says that packets cannot be authenticated...any help?
[12:11] <anichols> arand: What about using Lucid as the host?
[12:11] <arand> Hence trying to get a comment on whether or not it's fixed in the lucid version of vbox, since that's one of the criteria to get some SRU going..
[12:11] <vistakiller> for the daisy plasmoid they from kde that they must recompile tha package from ubuntu
[12:12] <solid_liq> alex88, packets?
[12:12] <arand> anichols: anichols host OS shouldn't matter (*in theory*), only version of virtualbox and version of kernel in guest.
[12:13] <alex88> solid_liq: damn..packages
[12:13] <Pici> solid_liq: Some people say packets instead of packages... dunno why.
[12:13] <solid_liq> Pici, confusing them with network packets I guess?  he
[12:14] <solid_liq> *heh
[12:14] <alex88> Pici: cause i'm italian..xD sry
[12:14] <Pici> alex88: no need to apologize :)
[12:14] <solid_liq> alex88, try doing another   aptitude update
[12:15] <alex88> solid_liq: i'm doing apt-get upgrade now..it asked if i want to accept unsigned packages so i've said yes and it's working
[12:15] <solid_liq> alex88, did you add an extra repository?
[12:17] <alex88> solid_liq: i've just selected all from synaptic repositories menu.. but it also say that apt and others are untrusted
[12:17] <alex88> i'll check if it's fixed when it finish..
[12:18] <alex88> btw, i've reinstalled ubuntu cause i've installed windows
[12:18] <yofel> err... generally installing unstrusted upgrades isn't a good idea, as you can't verify where you're getting them from (the apt keys are used to protect from man-in-the-middle attacks)
[12:19] <waltercool> Hi there, i have updated Karmic->Lucid (testing and bug reporting proposes) and i had purged hal..., now i havent touchpad =/ Some solution of that?
[12:19] <waltercool> alex88: Installing windows is always a bad idea ;)
[12:19] <alex88> then i've tried to mount partition on live cd, done "grub-install --root-directory=/media/ubuntu --recheck /dev/sda" is it the right command?
[12:19] <alex88> because after restart linux started booting but locks after fsck..
[12:20] <yofel> alex88: dunno, checked the grub2 wiki page
[12:20] <yofel> ?
[12:20] <alex88> that't the second time it happens
[12:20] <arand> alex88: Looks ok, bar the "sudo"
[12:20] <alex88> yes get it from that
[12:20] <alex88> arand: yep it said correct, no errors..but on restart..it won't boot
[12:20] <yofel> alex88: oh, locking up after fsck could be plymouth, do you have an nvidia card?
[12:20] <alex88> yes, nvidia, but it was without plymouth
[12:21] <alex88> before fsck it said mountall: unable to connect to plymouth
[12:21] <yofel> alex88: without plymouth as in... you have purged plymouth from the system?
[12:21] <yofel> just disabling it didn't do much here
[12:21] <alex88> yes..apt-get purge
[12:21] <yofel> hm, then I'm not sure
[12:22] <alex88> np..i'll remember that i can't reinstall windows =)
[12:22] <yofel> alex88: you could try to add '--debug' to the kernel boot line, that way you'll get debug info from upstart
[12:22] <alex88> yofel: i've done a post the first time it happens..let me link it..
[12:24] <alex88> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1423889
[12:26] <ddbt> guys.. do any of you, by accident, know whether the "squared" rounded corners in ubuntu are going to be fixed in 10.04?
[12:27] <ddbt> even in the new theme it still is not as round as it should be
[12:28] <solid_liq> ddbt, they seem round enough to me in 10.04
[12:29] <ddbt> did you 'focus' on them or zoomed in?
[12:29] <arand> Well, I'm off, if anyone tests with vbox please leave a comment on the bug report ^
[12:29] <ddbt> still not as round as windows on mac or windows
[12:30] <ddbt> (pixelated)
[12:30] <Damascene> any one using the mainline kernel?
[12:33] <Damascene> that well help with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux/+bug/527369
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. lets clarify somthing.. Gimp Is STILL in the repos right? just not INSTALLED by default?
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> This site i think is wrongly stateing otherwise --> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/12047/install-gimp-2.7.1-on-lucid-lynx-using-ppa/
[12:34] <red> How can I kill blkid during Ubuntu Lucid Install?
[12:35] <red> I've found a bug from launchpad and they said killing it twice will let you complete the install and you can manually instal grub afterwards.
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> hmm from console use the kill command perhaps?
[12:38] <yofel> !info gimp lucid | Dr_Willis
[12:38] <rww> Dr_Willis: correct
[12:38] <rww> Dr_Willis: I installed it just this morning :)
[12:38] <yofel> ubottu: ?
[12:38] <alex88> lol...dead =)
[12:38] <rww> yofel: she gets slow sometimes
[12:38] <yofel> indeed *sigh*
[12:39] <yofel> now :)
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> Yea. I belive the 'gimp is gone' is a bit of a Myth that people keep seieng/repeating because they dont fully understand what happened to it.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> You would think a 'tutorial' site would  do a bit more research
[12:41] <yofel> yep, that we had wild rumors once the news of the removal was out doesn't help much :/
[12:41] <rww> huzzah for the blogosphere!
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> its not removed. :) its not 'installed by default' :)  gee that means theres 100000000000000+ packages that are removed. heh
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> Now for my next research.. Trying to track down a idiot-proof/friendly dvd movie to 'dvd backup copy' :)  program for windows. :) and if it also worked in linux it would be nifty.  Unless i can get k9copy working in windows.  with this windows-kde port project i just found on google.
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> http://windows.kde.org/  - has some potential :)
[12:44] <red> How can I kill blkid during Ubuntu Lucid Install? anyone?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> red:  go to the console, use the 'kill' command with its PID
[12:44] <red> alt+ctr +f1-f4 gives a scrambled image
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> ps ax | grep blkid
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> well no idea then.
[12:44] <red> aight
[12:44] <red> guess ill just DL daily iso where the bug should be fixed according launchpad
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> try f5 and f6 and others?
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> Odd the console is messed up. what video card?
[12:45] <anichols> Is it possible to easily reverse-engineer a Logitech driver (for a gamepad I'm thinking of buying in the future) that runs in windows 98-7 to work with Ubuntu?
[12:45] <anichols> Or would it just be easier to write a module from the ground up?
[12:46] <anichols> Keypad/mouse mapping and rumble features are (doubtfully) not part of the generic drivers, I would assume?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> Id think most gamepads are fairly standard.. but  the advanced features.. yea. thats the kicker.
[12:51] <solid_liq> anichols, the best approach seems to be to use a utility which intercepts the messages between the windows driver and the device so that you can reverse engineer the messages
[12:52] <solid_liq> anichols, the kernelnewbies site should have info about that utility
[12:52]  * solid_liq was just playing Space Invaders in OpenOffice Calc
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> there is hidpoint.org or hidpoint.com that has some log drivers..
[12:52] <anichols> solid_liq: What utility would you recommend?  And how would I evoke the rumble feature, which I am unsure how I'd trigger in the first place....not like there's a key I can hit on a joystick to make that go?
[12:53] <anichols> solid_liq: And for that matter, what's a good C++ compiler for Ubuntu?
[12:54] <solid_liq> anichols, uh, I guess you could always use DirectInput for triggering the rumble feature so that you can intercept the message.  I don't remember the name of the utility (I don't touch windows) but the site should have the name of it.
[12:54] <solid_liq> anichols, gcc (g++) is good, and so is Intel's C++ compiler
[12:54] <solid_liq> anichols, there's a free for opensource use version of the intel compiler
[12:54] <anichols> solid_liq: *sighs* Just like with Python, there's nothing in add/remove apps for gcc.
[12:55] <solid_liq> anichols, Eclipse for an IDE, or vim with ctags if you prefer that kind of editor
[12:55] <anichols> solid_liq: Maybe I should just stay with Windows for programming. :(
[12:55] <solid_liq> lol
[12:55] <solid_liq> anichols, aptitude search gcc
[12:55] <solid_liq> anichols, and   aptitude search python
[12:55] <solid_liq> anichols, but python is already installed since a number of utilities use it
[12:56] <anichols> solid_liq: But there's no way to code in it without an app for it, yes?
[12:56] <solid_liq> anichols, it's just text, like any programming language
[12:56] <solid_liq> anichols, all you need is a text editor and a compiler or interpreter
[12:56] <anichols> solid_liq: Text + Compiler = Binary you can run?
[12:56] <solid_liq> of course
[12:57] <anichols> solid_liq: Ergo no Compiler = just bashing keys to make a theoretical program.
[12:57] <solid_liq> python is interpreted though, but python programs get compiled to .pyo (python object) files which are pre-parsed so it's kinda like java with its jvm
[12:57] <anichols> solid_liq: Which would mean going back to Windows where I can actually get the compilers....which would blow furry goat balls.
[12:58] <solid_liq> actually, python is already installed in windows too when you install the os
[12:58] <rww> no it isn't
[12:58] <solid_liq> anichols, you have python's compiler installed already
[12:58] <solid_liq> anichols, for C++, just do:  aptitude install build-essentials
[12:58] <solid_liq> rww, no what isn't what?
[12:59] <rww> solid_liq: Windows doesn't include Python by default. And it's build-essential, not build-essentials.
[12:59] <JEEBsv> solid_liq: python is not included in the default Windows install :3
[12:59] <solid_liq> rww, yes it does actually, at least XP Pro does
[12:59] <rww> solid_liq: No, it doesn't.
[12:59] <solid_liq> I was very shocked to discover that
[12:59] <anichols> solid_liq: *wondering if you run in admin mode at all times, that you keep omitting 'sudo'*
[12:59] <solid_liq> anichols, yes
[12:59] <rww> solid_liq: Your computer maker's setup CDs may include it. Windows itself does not.
[12:59] <solid_liq> anichols, sudo passwd    to set a root password, then   su   to switch to root
[13:00] <rww> (HP's recovery disks, for example, include Python. The one I've used did, anyway.)
[13:00] <anichols> solid_liq: *blinks*
[13:00] <JEEBsv> Yeah, clean XP discs and latter don't include python
[13:00] <solid_liq> rww, no, this is from an enterprise volume licensed copy from ms directly
[13:00] <rww> solid_liq: setting a root password on Ubuntu installations is not supported, please do not recommend it in Ubuntu channels
[13:00] <solid_liq> rww, he asked how, so I told him  heh
[13:00] <JEEBsv> solid_liq: I have access to those, too -- tell me where there is python on them :P
[13:00] <solid_liq> JEEBsv, dunno, but when it's installed, python is there
[13:01] <JEEBsv> It is _not_
[13:01] <JEEBsv> there is no start menu entry and there is no python.exe in the PATH
[13:01] <solid_liq> JEEBsv, see for yourself
[13:01] <JEEBsv> I have
[13:01] <JEEBsv> I've installed multiple XPs from such media
[13:01] <solid_liq> JEEBsv, which version of xp is it?
[13:01] <JEEBsv> Pro
[13:01] <solid_liq> with?
[13:01] <JEEBsv> Enterprise license, as well as MSDNAA
[13:01] <solid_liq> SP...?
[13:01] <anichols> solid_liq: I used XP Pro SP2, and never heard of Python.
[13:01] <JEEBsv> SP3
[13:01] <JEEBsv> SP2 too
[13:02] <solid_liq> SP2 had it, I'm sure of it
[13:02] <JEEBsv> And to tell the truth, I could probably get SP1 / no-SP discs
[13:02] <rww> solid_liq: no, it didn't
[13:02] <solid_liq> unless I'm thinking of server 2003
[13:02] <JEEBsv> It doesn't. It's not in PATH and I've never seen anything related to it
[13:02] <solid_liq> it's been a while since I've touched a windows box
[13:02] <JEEBsv> And Server 2003 didn't have it, either AFAIK
[13:02] <solid_liq> but I know one of those had it
[13:02] <solid_liq> 2003 SBS?
[13:03] <rww> Some_Person: no version of Windows has come with Python installed by default. Ever.
[13:03] <rww> solid_liq: ^^
[13:03] <solid_liq> rww, I've seen it.  apparently you haven't seen all versions of windows
[13:04] <rww> Some_Person: sorry, mistab. But now you know a new random fact!
[13:04]  * JEEBsv googles just in case
[13:04] <solid_liq> I remember what company's office I was sitting in when I discovered it
[13:04] <JEEBsv> But as far as I know, _no_ windows media has ever contained python
[13:04] <solid_liq> as far as you know, right ;)
[13:04] <JEEBsv> -.-
[13:05] <JEEBsv> Maybe I should just ask someone from MS
[13:05] <rww> solid_liq: I'm guessing you have no evidence whatsoever to support this claim?
[13:05] <anichols> solid_liq: Ok, I ran that command, now how do I access the compiler?
[13:05] <solid_liq> anichols, for python?  or c++?
[13:05] <anichols> solid_liq: Installing from Terminal never makes launchers.... c++
[13:06] <solid_liq> anichols, g++ myprog.cpp
[13:06] <solid_liq> anichols, or install Eclipse to give you an IDE like visual studio
[13:06] <anichols> solid_liq: From Terminal, or is it in add/remove?
[13:07] <solid_liq> anichols, from the shell for sure...  I never use the GUI so I don't know if it's in there
[13:07] <anichols> solid_liq: Ok.  thank you :)
[13:07] <solid_liq> anichols, but installing from the shell will put them in the Applications menu
[13:09] <anichols> solid_liq: Nothing I've installed from the shell puts anything in the apps menu.
[13:09] <anichols> solid_liq: Only when I've done it through add/remove.  Other times I have to hunt it down on the drive, and make a lancher manually, which is a pain sometimes.
[13:09] <Pici> anichols: What applications are you installing and how are you installing them?
[13:10] <yofel> anichols: if you install a gui app from the terminal it sure will, like apt-get install eclipse, and you'll find it in the menu
[13:10] <anichols> Pici: Like the g++ Solid suggested, for example :P
[13:10] <Pici> anichols: g++ is a cli application, why would it have a menu item?
[13:11] <anichols> yofel: As you say...so far I haven't seen any evidence of that.
[13:11] <anichols> Pici: hmm, good point, there.
[13:14] <JEEBsv> solid_liq: I know you shouldn't take wikipedia for a "real" source of information, but it tells something that the Python article says NOTHING about python coming with some version of Windows. Given the fact that people might actually want to use Python for stuff, I'd say the fact it isn't mentioned at all is somewhat weird, if you believe so firmly that unmodified disc images from MS contain Python :P
[13:14] <waltercool> what package is handling mouse and synaptics now? (before was hal)
[13:15] <Pici> waltercool: Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
[13:16] <waltercool> Pici: Name = Lol
[13:16] <solid_liq> JEEBsv, I know it did so...
[13:16]  * solid_liq shrugs
[13:17] <waltercool> Pici: Where are drivers detection? udev?
[13:17] <solid_liq> heh, I always liked liboobs
[13:18] <JEEBsv> Ok, solid_liq -- I'll just have to ask you for the filenames and the exact version of windows you were using then :P Of course I think you just conveniently don't remember any of that ;)
[13:18] <solid_liq> JEEBsv, it's been 5 years
[13:19] <solid_liq> so I inconveniently don't remember
[13:19] <solid_liq> 5 years ago was the last time I touched windows
[13:19] <JEEBsv> Then I think that you just remember having it on your system. Which might be true. But it doesn't come with Python from MS, the installation media was just modified to install python, too
[13:20] <JEEBsv> I guess I'll get back to you when I get an answer from MS
[13:20] <solid_liq> JEEBsv, no, I remember seeing it was installed right after a fresh install on a system I was setting up
[13:20] <JEEBsv> solid_liq: well yes, that's how it usually goes -- the modifications made by 3rd parties (from the point of MS)
[13:21] <JEEBsv> I think there's enough of a framework to easily install stuff automagically in Windows too -- never really took an advantage of it myself though :P
[13:21] <solid_liq> JEEBsv, ghost...  that's about it
[13:21] <rww> as I said 20 minutes ago, some OEM recovery CDs have it. Official Microsoft CD media do not.
[13:22] <JEEBsv> rww: Well, that's what I'm trying to punch into his brain D:
[13:22] <JEEBsv> But oh well
[13:23] <anichols> What version of the kernel do HH and LL use?
[13:23] <yofel> hardy 2.6.24 iirc, lucid 2.6.32
[13:23] <fatbrain> ... what part of the system uses /etc/hosts file?
[13:24] <yofel> fatbrain: dns lookup?
[13:24] <anichols> And in Eclipse, which 'wizard' would be applicable for module creation?
[13:24] <solid_liq> fatbrain, anything that does dns resolution
[13:24] <solid_liq> anichols, did you get the cdt version of eclipse?
[13:24] <anichols> solid_liq: c...d...t?
[13:25] <anichols> solid_liq: Eclipse SDK
[13:25] <anichols> Version: 3.2.2
[13:25] <anichols> Build id: M20070212-1330 (Ubuntu version: 3.2.2-5ubuntu2)
[13:25] <solid_liq> anichols, that's the C++ development version
[13:26] <solid_liq> anichols, oh sorry, you need to download the cdt version and install it yourself; it's not in apt
[13:26] <fatbrain> yofel, solid_liq: I figured that much, but when I make an entry to the file ... it "requires" that you use \x9 as whitespace and not allows \x20. I wanted to ... read why :S
[13:26] <solid_liq> anichols, http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
[13:26] <anichols> solid_liq: Ok...uninstalling Eclipse.
[13:27] <yofel> fatbrain: maybe 'man hosts' says something about that?
[13:27] <fatbrain> yofel: ah, smrt :)
[13:27] <solid_liq> anichols, http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/Eclipse/CDT_on_Linux_and_Mac_OS_X
[13:28] <anichols> solid_liq: Torrent-based download in progress
[13:30] <solid_liq> I even download from the shell  heh
[13:31] <anichols> solid_liq: Shell-addicted?
[13:32] <h31> Hi all. I am using 10.04. When i'm using gnome applet for shutting down my computer, my filesystem (ext4) breaks. When i'm using poweroff, there is no such problem. What to do?
[13:32] <solid_liq> anichols, heh, I like wget better than other tools for downloading
[13:33] <anichols> solid_liq: I am a bit torrent-addicted...it's faster than normal downloading.
[13:33] <solid_liq> anichols, depends on the mirror you're downloading from
[13:33] <vivid> h31, what do you mean your ext4 filesystem "breaks"
[13:36] <anichols> solid_liq: I suppose so, but I never find 'good' mirrors...and even when I do, the ability to download in chunks and resume broken DLs is nice, since I'm on wireless and sometimes I drop out.
[13:36] <solid_liq> anichols, wget gives you the ability to resume broken dl's too
[13:36] <h31> When i'm booting, ext4-fs driver speaks something about journal recovery and orphaned files cleaning. I usially see it when electricity disappears. Sorry for my ban English.
[13:37] <solid_liq> anichols, wget -c
[13:38] <solid_liq> anichols, type   man wget   in a shell and scroll through to see all the features wget gives you ;)  you'll be shocked
[13:41] <ehnde> i'm running the 10.04 installer from a livecd and it starts up, but when i click next it quits
[13:42] <ehnde> is there a command line installer i can use from the desktop?
[13:42] <ehnde> it's a kubuntu iso
[13:47] <EagleScreen> hello
[13:47] <EagleScreen> can I set the window buttons at the right instead of left?
[13:48] <dupondje> EagleScreen: its possible yes :)
[13:48] <EagleScreen> please how to do it?
[13:49] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, why not put them in the middle instead?
[13:49] <EagleScreen> i am talking about the Close, Maximize and Minimize buttons
[13:49] <solid_liq> I know
[13:49] <dupondje> gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[13:49] <dupondje> EagleScreen: also see http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/
[13:52] <solid_liq> what's really funny is that chrome's buttons stay on the right
[13:52] <alex88> ok, i've upgraded..now on restart i have plymouth installed and i got black screen
[13:52] <alex88> tried with recovery mode but still black screen
[13:52] <alex88> any clue?
[13:52] <EagleScreen> i have voted for it
[13:53] <alex88> livecd->chroot->apt-get purge will work?
[13:53] <solid_liq> alex88, should
[13:53] <alex88> just mount and chroot?
[13:53] <EagleScreen> unreadahead seems to crash or fail during boot process, i think it breaks the splash
[13:53] <solid_liq> alex88, pretty much
[13:53] <alex88> i'm on windows..so i have to collect info. =)
[13:54] <alex88> solid_liq: ok thank you man..i'll restart and test
[13:54] <solid_liq> alex88, if anything, you may need /proc in your chroot
[13:54] <alex88> btw...that's normal that it run on recover mode?
[13:54] <solid_liq> huh?
[13:54] <alex88> i'll mount that and /dev with --bind
[13:54] <alex88> i mean plymouth
[13:54] <alex88> i hot black screen also in recovery mode
[13:54] <alex88> *got
[13:54] <dupondje> alex88: sometimes I got black screen @ boot also, pressing enter makes the boot process continue :)
[13:55] <alex88> lol..i'll try also that
[13:56] <alex88> btw, going to reboot..cya later..hopeful on linux
[13:57] <crimsun> EagleScreen: no, the ureadahead message is unrelated to current splash breakage
[13:57] <EagleScreen> ok
[13:59] <kapipi> Hey, I am having problems booting off the latest daily livecd (amd64). I get the boot menu, then the Ubuntu logo screen with the 4 dots, then some errors about ureadahead and broken pipes, and then  my monitor goes into power save. I am unable to access the terminals on alt-ctrl-f1/f2/f3. When I switch back to the Xorg screen (alt-f7) the monitor turns on shortly but goes directly back to power save mode.
[14:01] <EagleScreen> duanedesign: good cheat, but now the minimize button is in its own square: http://imagebin.ca/img/KVt3LyeS.png
[14:01] <EagleScreen> oh that was for dupondje
[14:03] <dupondje> gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout "menu:maximize,minimize,close"
[14:03] <dupondje> maby this order works better
[14:07] <EagleScreen> oh now i see
[14:07] <EagleScreen> its the minimize button, it is always squared
[14:07] <Pici> odd.
[14:08] <EagleScreen> the look of the new comming Ubuntu seems "professional"
[14:09] <brianherman> EagleScreen:Should we call it Ubuntu XP Professional?
[14:09] <SEJeff> ^^ 2nd Edition
[14:09] <alex88> ok..back on ubuntu =)now.. a problem..
[14:10] <alex88> packages upgrade can't intsall 2.6.32-16 headers..when it tries to install it goes in loop and never exit..how can i force to delete it? cause it says it's incostintent and i have to install before remove it
[14:12] <yofel> alex88: does your hard disk still work while it's in the loop?
[14:12] <yofel> I mean, do you still have hdd activity
[14:12] <alex88> yep..continuosly
[14:13] <yofel> alex88: good,  then it's not in a loop but dpkg is SLOW
[14:13] <alex88> and every time i run apt-get it need to update headers
[14:13] <yofel> nothing you can do about that at the moment
[14:13] <alex88> yofel: i don't think it stay more then 10 min installing headers
[14:13] <yofel> alex88: raise your concerns on bug 537241
[14:15] <alex88> lol..btw before unpacking it says: file list of package "linux-headers bla bla" missing, package will considered with no file installed actually
[14:15] <alex88> my translation..
[14:15] <yofel> alex88: well, dpkg doesn't support half-unpackaged package states ;)
[14:16] <alex88> and there is no way to just delete that half?
[14:17] <alex88> for plymouth i had to remove file from /bin and /sbin cause i was unable to remove via apt
[14:18] <yofel> alex88: not that I know of, any why were you unable to remove it via apt?
[14:18] <alex88> cause every time i run apt it tries to upgrade header
[14:18] <yofel> did you try 'dpkg --configure -a'?
[14:18] <SEJeff> alex88, Sometimes you can cheat and change the prerm/postrm scripts under /var/lib/dpkg/info/* . That is your only real option when apt breaks horribly but if you don't know what you're doing you can break things even worse
[14:19] <alex88> yofel: i had to do that cause install were in half state..then after that every apt get i run it tries to reinstall that
[14:19] <alex88> SEJeff: np, i've just installed, i can reinstall in extreme cases
[14:19] <yofel> alex88: and if you try 'dpkg --purge plymouth' ?
[14:20] <alex88> yofel: lol. nope
[14:20] <alex88> i've used apt
[14:20] <alex88> i were thinking that it's the same to use apt or dpkg
[14:20] <yofel> alex88: apt always makes sure the system is in a usable state (especially when it comes to dependencies)
[14:21] <yofel> dpkg is pretty much working on the bare metal
[14:21] <alex88> oh kk got it thank
[14:23] <alex88> lol headers installed
[14:23] <alex88> faster then before
[14:23] <alex88> thank you guys
[14:24] <om26er> !j #pinta
[14:25] <alex88> damn...update manager required me to install again headers.. -.-
[14:27] <kapipi> Is there any way to force the live cd to boot to run in a more robust mode? Im having trouble getting it past the boot splash screen.
[14:28] <dupondje> you can polly set boot modes :)
[14:28] <dupondje> without splash :)
[14:30] <kapipi> hmm, been a while since I played with boot mode parametres
[14:34] <waltercool> sorry
[14:34] <waltercool> whats wrong with b43?
[14:37] <Volkodav> Hi guys - I tried booting this morning and it stalls in both modes with the error mountall error while loading shared libraries :libplybootclient.so.2
[14:37] <dupondje> TOPIC ! ;)
[14:38] <crimsun> srsly
[14:39] <blekos> hello,
[14:40] <BUGabundo_remote> dupondje: its no longer explicit in topic
[14:40] <BUGabundo_remote> hey blekos
[14:40] <blekos> I wanted to give the Alpha3 release a try but I have come accross with the folowing bug
[14:41] <blekos> in the login screen I type my password. It is accepted, but instead of seeing the Desktop it returns me to the login screen (an hence asking for the password agian)
[14:41] <blekos> any ideas how to come around this?
[14:41] <vega> there's should be a log somewhere that tells what fails in login
[14:41] <vega> (just can't remember what it was..)
[14:41] <waltercool> how can i recreate udev rules?
[14:42] <crimsun> waltercool: more context, please?
[14:42] <vega> blekos: .xsession-errors might contain something
[14:42] <vega> blekos: you may need to check it via text console (ctrl-alt-f1 etc.)
[14:42] <waltercool> crimsun: With hal PURGED, some files of /etc/udev/rules.d have been deleted
[14:43] <waltercool> crimsun: So.. i want "reconfigure" some package for fix that
[14:43] <blekos> I've changed to  console
[14:43] <crimsun> waltercool: meaning you want them shipped in /lib/udev/rules.d instead?
[14:43] <blekos> but how can I output the .xsession-err...
[14:43] <blekos> ?
[14:43] <waltercool> crimsun: yes
[14:43] <waltercool> crimsun: Because i cant get my touchpad working
[14:43] <twager> Is Plymouth still broken ?
[14:44] <crimsun> waltercool: well, modify the source package to install the rules into /lib/udev/rules.d
[14:44] <waltercool> crimsun: No, i just want original udev rules
[14:45] <BUGabundo_remote> blekos: that's a plymouth bug
[14:45] <crimsun> waltercool: I'm failing to see why you can't get them
[14:45] <BUGabundo_remote> plus alpha 3 is old
[14:45] <BUGabundo_remote> please upgrade
[14:45] <waltercool> crimsun: Oh, no... wasnt that =/
[14:45] <BUGabundo_remote> you may purge plymouth of your system for now
[14:45] <waltercool> crimsun: I just cant get my touchpad working =/
[14:45] <blekos> plymouth bug?
[14:45] <BUGabundo_remote> twager: not as bad as before
[14:46] <BUGabundo_remote> but it still doesn't autologin
[14:46] <waltercool> I just get Preinit returned NULL for ""SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"" =/
[14:46] <twager> BUGabundo_remote: Thanks will leave upgrading it for now
[14:46] <crimsun> waltercool: are you implying that the *location* of the rules affects the hardware working (because it shouldn't), or are you saying that the current rules are insufficient?
[14:47] <waltercool> crimsun: No.. no, my problem was deleting old data from karmic -> lucid and touchpad is not working anymore =/
[14:48] <crimsun> waltercool: so the hardware worked in karmic but doesn't in lucid?
[14:48] <waltercool> If udev is handling X drivers... maybe i have this problem there
[14:48] <waltercool> crimsun: worked in lucid too
[14:48] <waltercool> crimsun: But deleting old packges (like hal), my touchpad stopped of working
[14:49] <crimsun> waltercool: so those missing rules need to be migrated to udev or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[14:49] <vega> blekos: not sure if you could use netcat to pastebin or something like that
[14:50] <waltercool> crimsun: So... what can i do? Installing hal is not a solution (just still not working)
[14:50] <crimsun> waltercool: extract the desired file from hal's source package, drop it into /etc/udev/rules.d, and have at it
[14:51] <blekos> hmm
[14:51] <crimsun> waltercool: then, proceed as mentioned above regarding udev/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[14:51] <vega> blekos: apt-get install pastebinit
[14:51] <crimsun> waltercool: i.e., the first step makes it work on your system; the second step makes it a viable (and proper) solution for everyone running Ubuntu
[14:52] <blekos> I had a look, and it does not seem to be a Plymouth bug
[14:52] <blekos> it like looping the login screen
[14:52] <waltercool> crimsun: I will do it =) Thanks
[14:52] <blekos> is there a way to remove login info rom command line?
[14:53] <vega> blekos: what do you mean remove login info?
[14:53] <blekos> sorry: I mean not to be asked for uname and psswd
[14:53] <vega> auto-login?
[14:53] <blekos> (that would be a workaround)
[14:53] <blekos> yes :)
[14:54] <vega> why not, just need to find out how to enable it from command line..
[14:55] <Volkodav> aha - let's see
[14:55] <vega> blekos: /etc/gdm/custom.conf if you use gdm
[14:56] <vega> AutomaticLoginEnable=true and AutomaticLogin=username
[14:56] <happyface> has anyone gotten thinkfinger working on lynx?
[14:58] <blekos> there in no cusom in gdm
[14:59] <vega> blekos: create it
[14:59] <blekos> ok  and then
[14:59] <blekos> ??
[15:00] <vega> blekos: mine looks like this: http://pastebin.com/nXk3KKu9
[15:00] <vega> try and change the usernames from there and restart
[15:01] <Boondoklife> is there any way to use a karmic specific ppa in lucid?
[15:01] <Boondoklife> banshee for example, I wanted to get the 1.5.5 release but lucid is only up to 1.5.4 and the banshee ppa doesnt support lucid yet.
[15:02] <yofel> Boondoklife: sure, change the distribution int the sources line from lucid to karmic
[15:02] <yofel> Boondoklife: as long as the dependencies at least
[15:02] <yofel> *work at least
[15:03] <Boondoklife> yofel: you mean i the software sources list?
[15:03] <yofel> Boondoklife: yes
[15:03] <yofel> Boondoklife: you'll probably have to edit it by hand
[15:03] <Boondoklife> yofel: I tried that and It just acts like they are not there. lemme try again.
[15:05] <Boondoklife> yofel: Yea it was just me, forgot to re-check the box. Thanks
[15:07] <blekos> let;s see
[15:09] <blekos> hm no luck
[15:09] <blekos> i guess it needs to store password as well at some point
[15:09] <vega> blekos: not to my knowledge
[15:10] <blekos> it did not work...
[15:10] <vega> blekos: just pastebinit .xsession-errors and maybe someone here can help
[15:10] <vega> blekos: also you could try and create a new "fresh" user and test if you can login with it
[15:10] <blekos> good idea
[15:10] <blekos> the problem is I do not have an internet connection
[15:10] <vega> eliminating problems with stuff in your home dir..
[15:11] <blekos> I am here from another machine...
[15:12] <vega> copy to usb stick or something..
[15:12] <Some_Person> rww: a new random fact I already knew
[15:18] <BUGabundo_remote> hey vega, welcome back
[15:18] <BUGabundo_remote> where have you been for the past few weeks
[15:18] <BUGabundo_remote> ?
[15:20] <happyface> BUGabundo_remote: thanks man, I've been really busy
[15:21] <vega> BUGabundo_remote: hmm?
[15:22] <waltercool> crimsun: Forget it... my laptop have a hardware touchpad lock... i was wrong (i was thinking in software lock)
[15:22] <vega> i think i'm not who you think i am..
[15:22] <vega> i'm not a regular/active on this channel.. idling mostly
[15:22] <BUGabundo_remote> vega: if you think you are confused, look at happyface :P
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> vega: I know, hence my comment
[15:23] <vega> ah, didn't notice that :)
[15:31] <Some_Person> How can I determine what package provides a certain file?
[15:32] <arand> Some_Person: dpkg -S certain_file
[15:33] <Some_Person> thank you
[15:37] <SEJeff> Some_Person, apt-file is also really nice. You might check it out as well
[15:37] <happyface> BUGabundo_remote: i'm just messing around hah
[15:37] <adimit> Hello guys, how would I go about completely removing pulseaudio from lucid, alpha 3? I read that disabling it in the Startup Applications *should* be enough, but the process is still around...
[15:38] <crimsun> adimit: any reason why you need to remove pa?
[15:39] <adimit> crimsun: It doesn't work well (at all) with wine. I know about the PPA, and I've tried it, but to no avail. Since everything was working on my Arch Linux box without pulse, I just wanna get rid of the damn thing... :-)
[15:40] <crimsun> adimit: that doesn't fix the bugs, if any, in pulse, though
[15:40] <crimsun> adimit: it would be much more useful to get a verbose PA log (wiki/PulseAudio/Log) and attach it to a new bug report
[15:41] <crimsun> adimit: however, if you really don't want to use pa, just disable it following the hints in /etc/default/pulseaudio
[15:41] <adimit> crimsun: Yes, true, it won't fix Pulse. Right now, I'd prefer to have a working sound setup (because I need it) though. I'll see about squashing bugs in pulse later on...
[15:42] <adimit> crimsun: thanks for the hint, I'll try it out.
[15:43] <arand> adimit: problem with disabling pa is that volume control and a few other things break (volume media keys...) fixable, but not trivial, at least on kk.
[15:43] <BUGabundo_remote> adimit: if you need a stable release, use karmic. if you are running lucid, at least try to run as close as vanilla and report all bugs, so they can be fixed
[15:44] <adimit> arand: Yeah, that's sad :-\ Maybe I'll just disable it for when it gets in the way. I like pa, I just can't get it to play nicely with wine...
[15:44] <BUGabundo_remote> adimit: crimsun has asked you for logs, so he can look, and maybe fix them before release of  lucid
[15:44] <adimit> BUGabundo_remote: true, I'm not looking for a perfectly stable system though :-). I'll look into generating some more useful logs.
[15:47] <crimsun> adimit: err, you can already do that
[15:47] <crimsun> adimit: pasuspender -- wine blah blah blah
[15:47] <adimit> Hmm... OK, so sound dies in wine after several seconds of playing OK. syslog is empty, any other place to look for logs?
[15:48] <[A]KangB> hi plp!
[15:48] <crimsun> adimit: with or without pa?
[15:48] <adimit> crimsun: with PA.
[15:48] <crimsun> adimit: see the verbose log reference above
[15:49] <adimit> crimsun: pasuspender nets me no sound at all from wine :-\
[15:49] <crimsun> adimit: change wine's sound backend
[15:50] <adimit> crimsun: to? It's set to ALSA
[15:50] <[A]KangB> My motherboard always takes problems with a kernel on any version and those error are always fixed installing an alpha version (i don't no why) but now i have a big problem
[15:50] <crimsun> ...and ALSA is defined to use pulse, so it will get you nothing, correct.
[15:50] <adimit> crimsun: ah, thanks. I naïvely assumed it would just use plain ALSA...
[15:51] <[A]KangB> nVidia's driver is active, but at boot, compiz is always off, the window dercorador fails, and the top window bar (where there is close boton) disapear
[15:52] <[A]KangB> suggestions!? thanks
[15:52] <Emme_NK> Hi! I cannot change the screen brightness on lucid on my Ideapad S10-3
[15:52] <Emme_NK> I already reported Bug #538256
[15:53] <Emme_NK> It's quite annoying, does anyone have an idea for a workaround until it's fixed?
[15:54] <loudgefly> Hi does anybody know a workaround for banshee slide control (it isn't working at all, stays always at zero point)
[15:57] <vivid> [A]KangB, if you run 'compiz --replace &' in a terminal do you get window decorations back?
[15:58] <sploopidy> Hi all...
[15:58] <kulight> hi
[15:59] <sploopidy> hey. do you know if we will have the option to change the alert sounds in this release unlike in  karmic?
[15:59] <[A]KangB> vivid, i don't get window decorator back using terminal... right click on desktop, change background and click on efects... then ir come back until i restart
[15:59] <[A]KangB> it*
[16:00] <adimit> crimsun: OK, so this is the only thing regarding pulse I could find in my logs. It was in /var/log/user.log: http://pastebin.com/ujnJkX5z
[16:00] <[A]KangB> vivid, i have changed the number on virtual screens twice to 2, and return to 4 at reboot as window decorator
[16:00] <crimsun> adimit: that doesn't mean anything other than your driver needing to work around broken hardware, though
[16:02] <adimit> crimsun: OK. The output doesn't happen consistently anyway. I only observe the sound braking up, but can't seem to find any log or other explanation... :-( Is there any other way I could supply information?
[16:03] <crimsun> adimit: well, I've already mentioned the verbose log procedure *twice* ...
[16:03] <adimit> crimsun: OK... I don't know what that is, I'll Google it.
[16:04] <crimsun> adimit: I gave you the reference above!
[16:05] <adimit> crimsun, sorry, I probably forgot about it/didn't read properly... I'm generating a -vvvv log right now...
[16:07] <[A]KangB> vivid, 'compiz --replace &' http://pastebin.com/uKWnJXxJ
[16:07] <vivid> did you get window decorations back when you ran it?
[16:08] <[A]KangB> yep, until restart that desapear again
[16:08] <vivid> pretty sure you can safely ignore those errors for now
[16:08] <vivid> add 'compiz --replace &' to System>Preferences>Startup Applications and it will be turned on when you log in automatically
[16:09] <vivid> im sure theres probably a better more official way to do it, but heck, this is alpha
[16:09] <[A]KangB> well, thanks. tryin it
[16:10] <Dr_Willis> You may want to use the 'fusion-icon' tool to get compiz going
[16:10] <Dr_Willis> !info fusion-icon
[16:11] <[A]KangB> Dr_Willis, dont do anything
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> I think thats the name.. come on bot..
[16:11] <adimit> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/qSALEb2N <-- that's the whole thing. I started up pulseaudio, then wine (driver set to ALSA, official lucid package, not PPA, without pasuspender,) then waited until the sound broke up, killed wine, and then killed the demon.
[16:11] <vivid> yea that should be the name of it
[16:11] <adimit> No other sound applications were running during that time. Unfortunately, I have no idea whatsoever what all of this means...
[16:12] <[A]KangB> i use it cos Compiz manager bring me problems with the VNC
[16:12] <crimsun> adimit: ok, I'll look in 15-20 mins, currently busy with driver bugs
[16:12] <[A]KangB> but the window decorator don't come back
[16:13] <adimit> crimsun: sure thing, whenever you have time. From what I can gather, the thing is getting a ton of underruns. I'll blame my soundcard for the time being.
[16:13] <BUGabundo_remote> Dr_Willis: fusion icon used to be veery buggy
[16:13] <BUGabundo_remote> not sure its fixed
[16:13] <BUGabundo_remote> it would launch compiz twice or something
[16:13] <[A]KangB> im going to restart to try vivid solution
[16:13] <[A]KangB> thanks
[16:14] <vivid> it should work, but obviously somewhere the configuration is borked
[16:14] <Dr_Willis> vnc + compiz = not a good idea :)
[16:14] <vivid> im a metacity fellow :p
[16:18] <[A]KangB> vivid, it don't works, but is a minor bug, thanks anyway :D
[16:28] <ikt_> who would be the best person to contact about the installer not being full screen? or ubiquity? I've noticed it has no package maintainer :s
[16:35] <kulight> how dou remove the connected dsiconected messages in empathy?
[16:38] <rye> btw, re sun java in bug #532174 discussed yesterday - libjavaplugin_oji will NOT work
[16:38] <rye> search for jre1.6.0_18/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so - this is the plugin which works with Firefox 3.6
[16:40] <rye> don't know how OP got it working with the first one
[16:40] <[A]KangB> a New error: "Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection." trying to report a "mount error" when sutting down
[16:40] <rye> [A]KangB, bug #538097
[16:41] <rye> hm
[16:41] <rye> ah, invalid for apport, Critical for foundations, right
[16:42] <ellar> before reporting upstream, am I the only one having Bug #538764?
[16:43] <rye> Shotwell is the default photo manager in Fedora 13 alpha
[16:43] <[A]KangB> thanks ryanakca
[16:43] <[A]KangB> thanks rye
[16:43] <[A]KangB> sorry
[16:52] <murky> bit of a longshot, but are there any problems with the lucid repos? i can't grab a certain package via wget on any machine/OS. i'm guessing it's our network somwhow, but just wanted to check
[16:53] <fabio333> murky: what package?
[16:53] <murky> i'm using http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/archive.ubuntu.com//ubuntu//pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4.4.1-0ubuntu4_all.deb
[16:53] <murky> tried from 5 different machines and several mirrors, so i guess it's a proxy inside somewhere :/
[16:54] <murky> gets to 55M and then stalls
[16:54] <fabio333> wait
[16:55] <fabio333> that package is about 59mb
[16:56] <murky> yeah, that's the one
[16:56] <murky> it always stops at 93% here
[16:56] <fabio333> i don't have it installed
[16:57] <murky> me neither, was trying a wget - we maintain our own local mirrors of the repos but this package is dying
[16:58] <fabio333> try this http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4.4.1-0ubuntu4_all.deb
[16:58] <murky> hmm, same issue fabio
[16:59] <fabio333> i'm downloding now
[16:59] <fabio333> myabe that package is broken
[17:00] <fabio333> you can still unpack it and get the wallpapers you want
[17:00] <murky> thanks fabio
[17:00] <murky> well, i don't actually care about the package :) ... it's just that it's killing our debmirror
[17:04] <enav> hi guys keep his good work going   ^_^
[17:05] <enav> this*
[17:07] <fabio333> murky: got 96%
[17:07] <fabio333> 100% don
[17:07] <murky> fabio333: ok...guess it's our network guys then
[17:08] <murky> fabio333: thanks, that's really helped a lot :)
[17:09] <thiebaude> how do i install nvidia 8400 gs drivers in 10.04?
[17:10] <SEJeff> thiebaude, Did you try System ---> Administration ---> Hardware Drivers?
[17:10] <vivid> remember, installing that version is a RISK
[17:10] <thiebaude> ley's see what happens
[17:10] <thiebaude> i know i been using ubuntu for over 4 yrs
[17:10] <vivid> no, that specific version has been recalled by nvidia
[17:10] <vivid> it really is a risk
[17:11] <thiebaude> i read something about that
[17:11] <SEJeff> thiebaude, Nvidia recalled those drivers. You're probably not going to find them unless someone mirrored them
[17:11] <thiebaude> ubun tu is not what is use to be
[17:12] <thiebaude> ok
[17:12] <vivid> SEJeff, they are still labeled as nvidia-current in the lucid repos
[17:12] <SEJeff> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/nvidia_removes_linux_solaris_drivers_due_overheating_bug
[17:12] <SEJeff> Seems like an issue vivid
[17:13] <vivid> i would agree, thats why i built a 190.53 package since ubuntu devs dont seem to agree
[17:13] <happyface> Why did my nice ubuntu 10.04 loading bar get replaced with a crappy dubbed down console version?
[17:14] <SEJeff> happyface, In development versions, things change rapidly
[17:14] <thiebaude> maybe a notification of hardware drivers should be disabled
[17:14] <happyface> SEJeff: that's true but I think something else got changed
[17:15] <SEJeff> lucid "upgraded" my previous fglrx/karmic drivers to the open source ones and I've not noticed anything but performance improvements
[17:15] <SEJeff> Perhaps you should go grab an ati card if you can :)
[17:15] <thiebaude> but i have desktop effects or anything
[17:15] <thiebaude> no
[17:16] <vivid> ati has the biggest history of terrible drivers, performance increase with an open source driver seems likely to me
[17:17] <enav> why ATI is so badass  with linux   i just need a short explanation
[17:17] <SEJeff> vivid, And then AMD bought them... And then they released full docs and specifications for their video cards... and then open source 3d drivers were written
[17:17] <vivid> thats good, they always had good hardware
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Video testers have been unable to test the latest ATI drivers
[17:17] <SEJeff> enav, http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ This is why. They released the full specifications for their hardware. Nvidia has not.
[17:18] <thiebaude> but ubuntu 9.10 has no problems with my nvidia
[17:18] <thiebaude> 8400 gs
[17:18] <SEJeff> chalcedony, Not true either. I used to be on the ati beta program. You just have to email the beta program manager. It used to be Matthew Tippet, but he quit a few months ago.
[17:18] <vivid> and 10.04 wont either thiebaude, that driver will work, just be careful, it might get hot and not try to cool itself down
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Results of 4 weeks completed trying to test proprietary drivers in lucid: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/xorg_prop_drivers/
[17:19] <thiebaude> right now there is no video drivers from nvidia installed
[17:20] <vivid> you probably have the open source nouveau driver, which doesnt have 3d capability
[17:20] <thiebaude> exactly
[17:20] <thiebaude> but i do like the new look
[17:20] <thiebaude> its just my eyes,lol
[17:20] <SEJeff> charlie-tca, Interesting link. Thanks
[17:21] <charlie-tca> This is week 5
[17:21] <SEJeff> vivid, kernel mode setting is what completely wowed me. Switching from X to a vt in ~1 second with no nasty flashing and back
[17:21] <charlie-tca> ATI is mostly 0's because the drivers never installed
[17:21] <thiebaude> i wonder when the grahics driver issue will be fixed>
[17:21] <SEJeff> yeah I was referring to the open source 3d drivers, not fglrx
[17:21] <vivid> who knows thiebaude, maybe, maybe not before lucid goes live
[17:22] <vivid> the 195 series has been beta for months, as soon as it went stable, it got pulled
[17:22] <charlie-tca> We had hopes they would be fixed for beta1, but it doesn't look like it now
[17:22] <enav> i don't under stand  this sounds bizarre for me...  ATI open their specification and is BAD... Nvidia not  and is good????  :S   what???
[17:22] <vivid> yea dont get your hopes up, it might not even be ready by release
[17:22] <vivid> which is why someone should build an official 190.53 package
[17:22] <enav> is a bad idea release the specification why?
[17:22] <thiebaude> so the 177 drivers are no good?
[17:23] <charlie-tca> vivid: It is simply difficult playing catchup
[17:23] <vivid> do they support your card?
[17:23] <SEJeff> enav, The ATI proprietary driver is crap. Thats what charlie-tca was pointing out I think. The open source drivers are great. I've got full 3d / compiz on 2 30" monitors with it
[17:23] <vivid> check the nvidia site
[17:23] <thiebaude> nividia 8400 gs
[17:23] <charlie-tca> sorry, not vivid
[17:23] <charlie-tca> enav: it is difficult to play catchup, which is what ATI is now doing. NVidia has always worked closely with linux devs
[17:24] <thiebaude> i wish i had 3d compiz
[17:24] <enav> conclusion ATI provide crappy drivers for linux  that is all
[17:24] <vivid> thiebaude, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.25.html   8400 gs is on the supported list for 173
[17:25] <thiebaude> thanks alot
[17:25] <charlie-tca> No, ATI was closed source for many years and refused to work with linux devs
[17:25] <thiebaude> cool
[17:25] <SEJeff> and then AMD bought them
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Now they went open-source, but it will take a while to catch up
[17:25] <enav> ok
[17:25] <vivid> and even longer for nouveau since nvidia is closed : /
[17:25] <SEJeff> enav, The developers of the excellent open source drivers are working for ATI/AMD. They are most excellent. For the open source 3d drivers, nvidia is catching up to ATI
[17:25] <SEJeff> yup
[17:26] <SEJeff> enav, Make sense?
[17:26] <enav> actually nvidia is closed and ati is open right?
[17:26] <vivid> yes
[17:26] <charlie-tca> vivid: but the nvidia corp does work with linux devs to get their drivers to work for us
[17:26] <thiebaude> how do i install a pkg1.run?
[17:26] <vivid> you cant thiebaude, not in lucid
[17:26] <vivid> use jockey-gtk
[17:27] <thiebaude> where is jockey-gtk?
[17:27] <vivid> System>Administration>Hardware Drivers
[17:27] <thiebaude> ok
[17:31] <thiebaude> Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page:
[17:31] <thiebaude> Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0.
[17:31] <thiebaude> i making some progress
[17:32] <thiebaude> but cant set resolution
[17:32] <vivid> is the nvidia driver actually running?
[17:32] <thiebaude> no
[17:32] <thiebaude> the 173 is installed
[17:32] <thiebaude> and i did a sudo nvidia-settings
[17:33] <vivid> no need to sudo that program
[17:33] <thiebaude> ok
[17:33] <thiebaude> cant load x server display
[17:34] <thiebaude> 173.14.22
[17:34] <Damascene> is there a known bug in netbook-launcher were the home screen button get hidden if there is too many icons on the toolbar
[17:37] <thiebaude> vivid, my display is ok for now
[17:38] <vivid> i cant offer any more help really, that driver is pretty old
[17:38] <vivid> and it took me two hours to get 190 working
[17:38] <thiebaude> everything looks good for me now
[17:40] <thiebaude> vivid, i got wobbly windows now,lol
[17:40] <thiebaude> nvidia 173.14.22
[17:40] <thiebaude> yayy
[17:40] <vivid> good to hear
[17:40] <rye> ok, hm, maybe that's why I started to notice UI slowdown after update? maybe my 195.36.08-0ubuntu1 is not overheating my GPU but it is not working properly in some other way..
[17:40] <thiebaude> i only ubuntu on this computer and nothing else
[17:40] <vivid> hopefully nvidia will fix their 195 drivers sooner than later and we can get an up-to-date official package
[17:40] <thiebaude> the fonts look pretty good
[17:40] <thiebaude> yep i hope so
[17:41] <thiebaude> i just got back from windows 7, eck
[17:41] <vivid> rye, the way i see it, if a distributor pulls their software and says not to use it, you should not use it under any circumstances
[17:41] <thiebaude> ok guys thanks for the help
[17:41] <vivid> alpha software is one thing, alpha software that could destroy your hardware is another
[17:41] <thiebaude> time to install flash java etc
[17:42] <SEJeff> thiebaude, installing ubuntu-restricted-extras will save you time
[17:42] <Some_Person> Could someone who hasn't messed with their gconf settings for the min/max/close buttons please test my latest PPA?
[17:42] <thiebaude> ok
[17:42] <thiebaude> i do that
[17:42] <SEJeff> That 1 metapackage will get most all of what you want in 1 shot
[17:42] <rye> vivid, erm, yeah... I wish I knew that a little before today. Running nvidia_current (though have limited success with nouveau...)... Hm, is 3d that important?... hm...
[17:42] <thiebaude> and medibuntu too
[17:42] <rye> but compiz and all that shiney stuff..
[17:42] <Some_Person> https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[17:42] <thiebaude> oh yea
[17:42] <vivid> 3d is important for me, since i do alot of gaming
[17:42] <vivid> and likewise, so is hardware cooling
[17:42] <thiebaude> transparent menus
[17:43] <JEEBsv> Umm... anyone else has had crashes with eclipse on lucid?
[17:43] <vivid> im probably the only person in the world that plays games on linux
[17:43] <SEJeff> vivid, What games do you play on Linux? I never took anything non-windows and non-console as a serious gaming platform
[17:43] <SEJeff> wesnoth!
[17:43] <SEJeff> great game ^^
[17:43] <vivid> i play wow, cs:s, tf2
[17:43] <vivid> sometimes for hours on end
[17:43] <SEJeff> via wine?
[17:43] <SEJeff> Thats hardcore
[17:43] <vivid> yes
[17:43] <SEJeff> impressive, I didn't know you could
[17:43] <vivid> i only lose about 5 fps
[17:44] <JEEBsv> Well, those work fine via wine
[17:44] <vivid> from windows
[17:44] <JEEBsv> SEJeff: just check winedb for apps
[17:44] <JEEBsv> :3
[17:44] <JEEBsv> You'd be surprised how many work
[17:44] <SEJeff> Sweet
[17:44] <vivid> yes, wine has become excellent over the years
[17:44] <SEJeff> Hmmmm I wonder if Command and Conqueror Generals and Tiberium wars would work
[17:44] <SEJeff> If so my last windows box is getting blasted
[17:44] <JEEBsv> Check on winedb
[17:45] <vivid> i recently had to reinstall windows for school : /
[17:45] <rye> is there any logic behind nvidia driver numbers, 175, 180, 185. more is better, right ?
[17:45] <vivid> OO.o impress doesnt work well enough with powerpoint
[17:45] <SEJeff> vivid, VirtualBox is really good stuff if you don't mind
[17:45] <SEJeff> And the seamless mode is somewhat magical
[17:45] <vivid> rye, the lower version numbers are older, but not necessarily better
[17:45] <enav> vivid lol yeah i agree with SEJeff
[17:45] <DanaG> hmm, I've never had good luck with Wine... and the fact that wine doesn't do surround sound is a blocker for me.
[17:46] <vivid> rye, the 185 series had crashes for steam games with wine
[17:46] <Pretto> after upgrade my python script shows as following: ./gtk-theme-swatch.py >>$: File or directory not found
[17:46] <vivid> DanaG, does pulseaudio do surround sound?
[17:46]  * rye wanted to say "more is newer".
[17:47] <vivid> ive never looked at virtualbox
[17:47] <rye> vivid, with current drivers I can literally see how the desktop background is painted during boot. From top to down. 0.5-1s, but it used to be a lot faster before I got some update :)
[17:47] <DanaG> ATI binary driver IS crap, true enough... but the open driver (especially with drm-next kernel) is awesome.
[17:47] <Pretto> /usr/bin/env python ./gtk-theme-swatch.py works
[17:47] <rye> *gdm background
[17:47] <Pretto> any clue?
[17:48] <SEJeff> Pretto, Can you paste the result of: head -n1 ./gtk-theme-swatch.py
[17:48] <SEJeff> Probably just a wrong or missing shebang
[17:48] <Pretto> SEJeff: #!/usr/bin/env python
[17:48] <crimsun> vivid: on _some_ chipsets
[17:48] <crimsun> vivid: namely, if you have emu10k*-based cards, it's horrible.
[17:48] <SEJeff> What is the error it gives when you try to run it?
[17:49] <Some_Person> Can someone please test my PPA?
[17:49] <Pretto> SEJeff: $: File or directory not found
[17:49] <SEJeff> Pretto, Thats easy. I bet it has the wrong line endings
[17:49] <SEJeff> Pretto, try running dos2unix gtk-theme-swatch.py
[17:49] <SEJeff> You might need to install dos2unix
[17:49]  * rye tries nouveau again..
[17:50] <Pretto> SEJeff: it was created on linux
[17:50]  * Some_Person feels somewhat glad to have an intel card
[17:50] <JEEBsv> Anyways, I guess http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571192 'ish crashes of Eclipse aren't usual?
[17:50] <SEJeff> Pretto, cat -A gtk-theme-swatch.py | head -n1
[17:50] <SEJeff> paste the result of that please
[17:50] <DanaG> oh, and then there's that stupid "read back from video RAM when creating a new window" thing Xorg does.
[17:51] <Pretto> SEJeff: you are right, but hown could it be?
[17:51] <SEJeff> Pretto, crappy editor? I dunno
[17:51] <DanaG> vivid: yeah, pulseaudio does do surround.
[17:51] <Pretto> SEJeff: thank you
[17:51] <vivid> should try and build wine with the pulse driver and see if you get better support through wine
[17:52] <SEJeff> Pretto, That error is almost always caused by wrong style line endings. It is because the shell can't figure out what to execute as the shebang. The next time someone else has that error, please help them out as well :)
[17:52] <Pretto> SEJeff: you bet i will :D
[17:52] <SEJeff> Pretto, great! Paying it forward is the best way to grow the ubuntu communiyt
[17:55] <emxer> hola alguien que hable español
[17:55] <emxer> buenos dias
[17:55] <DanaG> Even with bare ALSA, wine doesn't do surround.
[17:55] <vivid> hola señor
[17:55] <emxer> hola
[17:55] <vivid> the alsa driver is crap on a pulse system though
[17:55] <emxer> que tal esto aprendiendo un poco de irssi con un amigo y
[17:55] <emxer> desearia saber como costumisar un canal propio
[17:56] <emxer> para ponerle la fecha hora y ademas hacer un cartel de bienvenida
[17:56] <emxer> alguien me ayuda
[17:56] <emxer> es algo nuevo para mi y me ilusionaria poder hacerlo
[17:56] <emxer> :D
[17:57] <BUGabundo_remote> !es > emxer
[17:57] <emxer> ademas estoy probandolo en la consola de mi Ipod y Iphone
[17:57] <emxer> estoy provando el terminal de unix en el ipod touch
[17:57] <emxer> y le instale el irssi
[17:57] <BUGabundo_remote> emxer: although I can undertand part of your spanish, this is an English channel
[17:58] <SEJeff> emxer, in ingles por favor
[17:59] <emxer> ok great
[17:59] <SEJeff> thankyou
[17:59] <vivid> whats the performance like running xp with virtualbox
[17:59] <vivid> good enough to run office?
[17:59] <SEJeff> vivid, Well it depends on your host system, but perfectly acceptable to run office
[18:00] <SEJeff> throw ram at it
[18:00] <vivid> aye
[18:00] <enav> vivid  i use virtualbox to make alot of stuff, Photo editing, office, Flash animations   works like a charm
[18:00] <SEJeff> surprisingly fast actually. It is faster than our crappy rdp server we have
[18:00] <JEEBsv> hmm, interesting -- the eclipse crashing was a xulrunner bug
[18:00] <JEEBsv> now to get xulrunner 1.2 installed >_>
[18:00] <Some_Person> I need someone who hasn't messed with their gconf settings for the min/max/close buttons to test my new PPA
[18:02] <Some_Person> It puts the titlebar back to the way it worked in karmic
[18:03] <emxer> as I said this by testing irssi with a friend and would like to know if someone can give me information as my own channel on costumisar irssi set the time and date and a welcome text also appreciate your help and that is something I love to do ;)
[18:03] <emxer> tnhks!
[18:03] <emxer> thnks! :)
[18:04] <vivid> its too bad rearranging the buttons makes it look like crap
[18:05] <Some_Person> vivid: I fixed that in my PPA
[18:07] <vivid> well, link me to your ppa and ill see what you changed :p
[18:07] <Some_Person> vivid: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[18:07] <Some_Person> vivid: It should look like this: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8910/screenshotxchatsomepers.png
[18:08] <SEJeff> Some_Person, How did you fix it?
[18:09] <Some_Person> SEJeff: I changed the gconf setting back to what it should be, and I edited all the images for the min and max/restore buttons
[18:09] <vivid> its just a change to gconf
[18:09] <vivid> and replacing some of the png images
[18:09] <SEJeff> vivid, I realized the gconf changes, didn't know you needed to change the png images
[18:09] <SEJeff> I just changed to a less crappy titlebar theme
[18:09] <vivid> well you dont have to change the images
[18:09] <Some_Person> SEJeff: If you don't edit the PNGs, the minimize button appears in a little box of its own
[18:10] <vivid> but if you rearrange the order, the images are terrible
[18:10] <SEJeff> I thought they were terrible both ways :)
[18:10] <Some_Person> Seriously, this should have been done from the start
[18:11] <SEJeff> Some_Person, Yeah the theme is gorgeous, but the button changing was a bad idea
[18:11] <Some_Person> SEJeff: That's why I fixed it
[18:11] <Some_Person> I like this theme a lot
[18:12] <SEJeff> yup
[18:12] <Some_Person> This is also the first time I've ever uploaded a package to launchpad that worked the first time
[18:12] <enav> vivid  i use vbox to develop and test applications  http://is.gd/aEjE5
[18:13] <Some_Person> I really do need someone to test it who hasn't touched their gconf settings though
[18:13] <Some_Person> I want to make sure it resets the position correctly
[18:13] <vivid> lol too late for me
[18:13] <vivid> im totally stealing your images though
[18:14] <Some_Person> vivid: Just install the package
[18:18] <Some_Person> I just hope that it gets fixed in the main package before release
[18:19] <yofel> meh, first ubuntu-vm-builder crashes when building a hardy KVM and now building virtualbox VMs doesn't seem to work at all
[18:20] <Some_Person> Otherwise, I suspect I'll be running a popular PPA
[18:23] <vivid> nice enav, cant believe i didnt already know about this
[18:23] <vivid> i feel ashamed
[18:23] <SEJeff> Some_Person, Post your ppa on ubuntu forums
[18:24] <Some_Person> SEJeff: What section?
[18:24] <SEJeff> Some_Person, Whatever version is for Lucid
[18:24] <SEJeff> Just seems like an obvious way to get visibility
[18:25] <Some_Person> I really want someone to test it first
[18:26] <Some_Person> It needs to be someone who hasn't touched their gconf settings for the button positions
[18:27] <vivid> yea i changed mine, installed the package, and it didnt work : /
[18:27] <yofel> Some_Person: I can test it in my ubuntu VM that I used for upgrade testing, buttons are on the left there
[18:28] <Some_Person> vivid: Log out and then log back in
[18:28] <Some_Person> yofel: Please do, I would appreciate that
[18:28] <yofel> just starting it
[18:29] <Some_Person> vivid: did it work?
[18:29] <vivid> yes
[18:29] <Some_Person> (I did say to log out then log back in in the description by the way)
[18:30] <vivid> i was too busy thumbing through the binary package
[18:34] <yofel> Some_Person: buttons fixed
[18:35] <Some_Person> yofel: Wow, I seriously expected something to go wrong
[18:35] <Some_Person> It usually does with me
[18:36] <yofel> added ppa, upgraded the package, restarted gdm -> buttons fixed
[18:36] <Some_Person> If some 16 year old high schooler like me can fix it, why can't the ubuntu developers?
[18:37] <yofel> Some_Person: err... I think the difference here is CAN <-> WANT
[18:37] <Some_Person> They like it that way? Or are they too lazy?
[18:37] <DanaG> They like it that broken way.
[18:37] <DanaG> Which is totally stupid.
[18:38] <yofel> don't ask me, they like a odd looking notify-osd too, as well as a popping up update-manager instead of an updates_available Icon in the tray
[18:38] <charlie-tca> It's a feature, isn't it?
[18:38] <yofel> charlie-tca: exactly
[18:39] <Some_Person> I'm sure this weird button layout breaks other themes too
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Of course, now, my daughter just started using a mac 1 month ago, and loves the buttons on the left. She wants to change windows to that, too, now
[18:39] <thiebaude> i got to get use to that
[18:39] <thiebaude> on the left
[18:39] <Some_Person> charlie-tca: I don't mind them on the left, but the close button should be on the end at least
[18:39] <charlie-tca> agreed
[18:40] <thiebaude> they need a mouse over
[18:40] <charlie-tca> I am staying with Xubuntu. the buttons haven't moved from karmic
[18:40] <Some_Person> thiebaude: you're free to create one
[18:40] <thiebaude> im sticking with 10.04
[18:40] <Some_Person> charlie-tca: Doesn't Xfce have an option on where to move them?
[18:40] <thiebaude> configuration editor?
[18:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:40] <Some_Person> thiebaude: uhh, that's lucid
[18:41] <thiebaude> im thinking about the new ppl not me
[18:41] <thiebaude> been using ubuntu since 6.06
[18:41] <Some_Person> I've been using it since 5.10
[18:41] <charlie-tca> like Applications -> Settings -> Window Manger -> Button Layout?
[18:41] <thiebaude> cool
[18:42] <Some_Person> It's come a really long way since 5.10. Back then, there wasn't even a GUI to install .deb packages, and double-clicking them opened them in file-roller
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Put any button left or right, in any order, even in Xubuntu Lucid
[18:43] <thiebaude> i have no settings in my application menu
[18:44] <thiebaude> but 10.04 does look sweet
[18:45] <thiebaude> i finally got my compiz and transparent menus
[18:46] <Some_Person> I remember my early days on ubuntu when I still had dialup
[18:46] <thiebaude> omg
[18:46] <Some_Person> Total hell was what it was
[18:46] <thiebaude> i bet
[18:47] <Some_Person> My modem was proprietary
[18:47] <thiebaude> those were painful days
[18:47] <thiebaude> lol
[18:47] <Some_Person> and they wanted you to pay $20 for a driver that wasn't limited to 14.4kbps
[18:47] <thiebaude> times have changed
[18:47] <SEJeff> Some_Person, Oh man I remember those. Wasn't it the connexant or something that did that?
[18:47] <Some_Person> SEJeff: That's the one
[18:48] <Some_Person> and that's what I was stuck with
[18:49] <Some_Person> I finally got DSL in 2006
[18:49] <DanaG> charlie-tca: if you want Windows to have lefty-buttons, check out "Windowblinds" -- there are SOME nice lefty themes out there.
[18:49] <charlie-tca> I will pass that along
[18:49] <Some_Person> December 31, 2006 to be exact
[18:49] <DanaG> Though, Stardock's software tends to deal poorly with high-dpi displays and dpi scaling.
[18:49] <DanaG> It's non-free (as in money) software, though.
[18:50] <Some_Person> it was like 10PM on that day
[18:50] <charlie-tca> DanaG: thanks. I will pass it along to daughter. I won't touch windows myself, anymore
[18:50] <SEJeff> DanaG, Nah that is free as well. Just go to tpb :)
[18:51] <DanaG> http://home.comcast.net/~odnt/12012009.jpg -- an example.  theme has a lefty variant and a righty variant.
[18:51] <DanaG> What Ubuntu does, though, is a miserable failure:
[18:51] <DanaG> it FORCIBLY changes settings... and sets them to an insane max,min,close on the left.
[18:52] <rsk> a windows screenshot in mah chan?
[18:52] <DanaG> Lefty is fine... but it should follow OS X, if it wants to be lefty.
[18:52] <Boondoklife> woo beta is only 3 days away
[18:53] <Some_Person> Yay, so I used lucid alpha for 5 days
[18:53] <ZykoticK9> Boondoklife, and only 45 days till final ;)
[18:53] <Boondoklife> yuppers. Only a couple of itchy issues for me but so far im luvin lucid
[18:53] <Some_Person> It's actually not as unstable as I expected
[18:53] <Boondoklife> Some_Person: same feeling here
[18:54] <SEJeff> LTS release are more conservative
[18:54] <SEJeff> Take the release after hardy, intrepid
[18:54] <SEJeff> The devel of it was constantly borked
[18:54] <Boondoklife> karmic drove me insane in beta with all the bluetooth changes they were doing.
[18:54] <Some_Person> I would like to find out what that "Lights Off" game in gnome-games is like though. It just crashes here
[18:56] <Some_Person> Also, I'm using a proprietary driver for my wifi because for the first time ever the free one didn't work
[18:56] <SEJeff> Some_Person, broadcomm?
[18:56] <Some_Person> yes, broadcom
[18:57] <Some_Person> b43 has worked nicely since jaunty, but in lucid it doesn't work
[18:57] <SEJeff> Even when you run b43-fwcutter?
[18:57] <SEJeff> Thats a bummer
[18:57] <SEJeff> Some_Person, file bugs please
[18:58] <Some_Person> I only tried from jockey
[18:59] <Boondoklife> Some_Person: lights off works for me... just remembered i hated that game almost as much as tetris and those damned peg games at truckstops
[18:59] <Some_Person> Also, anyone noticed that apt-cdrom add is broken?
[19:00] <Some_Person> It adds the CD, but you can't actually install anything from it
[19:01] <Some_Person> And "Add CD-ROM" in Software Sources always spits out "E:Failed to mount the cdrom."
[19:01] <Boondoklife> Some_Person: never played with that. sorry
[19:01] <Some_Person> Should I file bugs for all these things?
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Only if you want the developers to look at them
[19:02]  * charlie-tca sorry, that was mean
[19:02] <charlie-tca> yes, Some_Person, you should file bugs
[19:03] <charlie-tca> They won't all get fixed, but at least it lets everyone know about the issues
[19:04] <Some_Person> ok, filing
[19:04] <yofel> Some_Person: preferably file them with ubuntu-bug once bug 538097 is fixed
[19:04] <Some_Person> ubuntu-bug?
[19:06] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for details on how to submit bugs
[19:06] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, but ubuntu-bug is currently not working due to above ubottu noted bug
[19:06] <git__> is suspend to disk working on lucid?
[19:06] <Some_Person> I usually just do it through launchpad.net
[19:07] <yofel> Some_Person: oh, so you like talking with the bugsquad so much :D (please use apport, it makes our life easier)
[19:08] <Some_Person> apport?
[19:09] <yofel> Some_Person: that's how the bug reporting application is called
[19:09] <SEJeff> man apport-collect
[19:09] <crimsun> Some_Person: just so you have an idea of timeline, now that Takashi has Acked the fix, it'll be queued for 2.6.32.11 in a few weeks and should land in Lucid release or the first post-release update
[19:09] <yofel> Some_Person: for a short introduction see man ubuntu-bug
[19:09] <yofel> meh, SEJeff was faster ^^
[19:10] <Some_Person> So is something like this filed incorrectly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/539216
[19:10] <SEJeff> yofel, Was looking at it for something else unrelated
[19:10] <charlie-tca> or could read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:10] <yofel> heh
[19:10] <yofel> Some_Person: don't forget to read the link charlie-tca posted too
[19:11] <Some_Person> ok
[19:11] <yofel> Some_Person: about that bug: a) what ubuntu release were you using? and which version of gnome-games (that's *essential*)
[19:11] <yofel> Some_Person: apport will add that to the bug without you needing to do it ;)
[19:12] <yofel> actually...
[19:12] <yofel> Some_Person: can you please run 'apport-collect 539216' in a terminal please?
[19:12] <yofel> - 1 please...
[19:14] <Some_Person> "Send this data to developers?"
[19:14] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:14] <Some_Person> ok, now what?
[19:15] <yofel> Some_Person: look at the bug again ;)
[19:15] <Some_Person> oh, it added a ton of crap to it :-)
[19:15] <charlie-tca> yup :-)
[19:16] <charlie-tca> and a lot easier than doing it a piece at a time, huh?
[19:17] <Some_Person> Should I do this for all my bugs?
[19:18] <yofel> Some_Person: I'm looking at them
[19:20] <yofel> Some_Person: please do it for the suptux bug and the apt-cdrom bug, the audio bug is already triaged
[19:20] <Some_Person> yofel: I don't see much need for the supertux bug. It's just a missing build-depends
[19:21] <yofel> Some_Person: well ok, it has the version and the info should be enough
[19:21] <yofel> Some_Person: but please do it for bug 539219
[19:21] <Some_Person> I'm doing it now
[19:24] <Some_Person> holy crap, Mark Shuttleworth commented on the creation of my PPA
[19:25] <yofel> heh
[19:26] <JoshuaL> Some_Person, link
[19:27] <Some_Person> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633?comments=all
[19:27] <Some_Person> bottom of the page
[19:27] <rye> anybody running Lucid on Aspire One (A150) ?
[19:27] <rye> here
[19:29] <Ian_Corne> I'm running it on asus eee
[19:29] <Ian_Corne> if that helps any
[19:30] <rye> Ian_Corne, i belive this is either Atheros wifi-specific or A150 specific - the wifi transmission breaks during downloads
[19:31] <rye> Ian_Corne, at the same time two other devices nearby work properly with this AP
[19:31] <rye> well, mine does not have normal X anymore but... that's irrelevant for now :)
[19:34] <ubuntujenkins> is anyone having problems reporting bugs using apport? It is saying I am not connected to the internet
[19:34] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:35] <charlie-tca> bug 538097
[19:35] <Ian_Corne> rye: sorry not such problem
[19:35] <ubuntujenkins> thanks charlie-tca thats useful
[19:35] <charlie-tca> no problem
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Hoping it gets fixed fast. Got Beta1 testing this week
[19:36] <yofel> well, the launchpad folks made it critical, so let's hope for the best
[19:37]  * yofel is piling up bug reports already...
[19:38] <charlie-tca> I file quite a few manually, even with a bunch of attachments
[19:38] <Boondoklife> I just wanted to say... DAMN I LOVE LINUX
[19:39] <yofel> charlie-tca: me too, but I can't do that with crash reports :/
[19:39] <charlie-tca> agreed
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Just a note: Installed nvidia-current from an install done with today's image. It is still available and working
[19:41] <ZykoticK9> is there an alternative to tofrodos in lucid?  it seems to have been removed.
[19:43] <yofel> !info tofrodos lucid
[19:44] <yofel> ZykoticK9: still there
[19:44] <charlie-tca> I'm looking at it in synaptic
[19:44] <ZykoticK9> yofel, charlie-tca sorry my bad
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> yofel: i'm not running into that many problems :(
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> well
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> very few actually
[19:45] <yofel> Ian_Corne: that means you're not doing upgrade testiing like me ;)
[19:45] <Ian_Corne> ah right
[19:45] <Ian_Corne> yeah I'm not
[19:45] <Ian_Corne> I'm just using lucid in my daily life
[19:48] <ZykoticK9> from command line when you type an apt known command, that is not installed it will recommend the package to installed but for dos2unix in lucid this is not happening, http://paste.ubuntu.com/395775/ is this a bug?
[20:12] <Some_Person> I do suspect it'll be a popular mod to put the buttons where they were in karmic if they remain where they are by default now at release time
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> lol @ forgetting the sound effects :)
[20:16] <rniamo> hi, i just want to know if there is any news about the nvidia problem ?
[20:17] <rsk> no nvidia still haven't opensourced their binary driver rniamo
[20:19] <rniamo> but for the moment i just want a driver with direct rendering, is there any driver to install ?
[20:19] <rsk> eh?
[20:19] <rsk> there's a driver to install yes
[20:20] <rniamo> which one please ? i try nvidia-glx-185 and 195 and it doesn't work
[20:21] <red> what does it mean if a folder name is with a green background when doing ls?
[20:21] <red> i know green name is executable, cyan is symlink
[20:22] <bjsnider> rsk, very amusing
[20:23] <jemark> my daily image of lucid doesn't boot up fully. i will end up in a terminal with errors it can't access some partitions...
[20:24] <jemark> what's wrong?
[20:24] <rsk> bjsnider very unfriendly
[20:24] <Some_Person> jemark: yesterday's image worked
[20:25] <yofel> rniamo: tried nvidia-current?
[20:25] <rniamo> it doesn't work
[20:25] <YaManicKill> hmmm anyobne else having a problem mounting fat filesystems?
[20:25] <red> for me todays iso worked
[20:25] <red> installed it on a friends vaio
[20:26] <jemark> Some_Person, ok, I will try today's image to check it if it works...
[20:26] <yofel> red: that should mean the folder is world read/write/executable
[20:26] <yofel> s/executable/accessable
[20:26] <jemark> red, thanks, i will try today's iso
[20:26] <rniamo> here is my xorg log http://pastebin.com/nkXQ6PjW
[20:27] <charlie-tca> jemark: try hitting alt+f7 at that screen
[20:27] <jemark> charlie-tca, thanks for the tip
[20:27] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:28] <Ian_Corne> ctrl+alt+f7
[20:28] <jemark> haha
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Don't need ctrl, you are not at gdm but in another tty
[20:28] <jemark> charlie-tca, you probably meant ctrl+alt+f7?
[20:28] <jemark> charlie-tca, i see
[20:29] <charlie-tca> no, mine worked with alt+F7
[20:29] <jemark> charlie-tca, cool, thanks
[20:29] <rye_> rniamo, can you chech whether you have nouveau modules loaded ?
[20:29] <rniamo> ok
[20:30] <rniamo> rye_ : http://pastebin.com/B0i3xFCK
[20:30] <rye_> rniamo, and you have separate /usr, right ?
[20:30] <rniamo> yes
[20:30] <rniamo> i don't understand why it is important ?
[20:30] <rye_> rniamo, loading bugs... :)
[20:31] <rniamo> ?
[20:31] <rye_> rniamo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/534469
[20:31] <rye_> rniamo, blacklist is not working
[20:31] <rye_> rniamo, see my poast at #5
[20:31] <rye_> post
[20:31] <rniamo> ok
[20:32] <rniamo> ok i'm trying and i restart X and i'm coming back
[20:37] <rniamo> re
[20:37] <rniamo> so rye_ tip works but i have an error when ubuntu is starting. I don't know which one, it is too speed
[20:37] <rniamo> it is during splash screen
[20:39] <yofel> rniamo: something about ureadahead?
[20:40] <rye_> yofel, or mounted-tmp ?
[20:40] <rye_> yofel, sorry, rniamo ^ :)
[20:40] <rniamo> i think something about disk check
[20:40] <rye_> rniamo, is your /var on a separate drive as well?
[20:41] <rniamo> rye_ : http://pastebin.com/f3c2gwKc
[20:41] <rniamo> var, usr, home, boot are separated
[20:42] <rye_> rniamo, then we are in the same boat - have a look at these - bug #523587 and bug #523484
[20:43] <rye_> rniamo, have you had any issues with the ability to boot? i.e. the boot process stops at some stage before even network is brought up?
[20:43]  * rye_ has one (on a random basis) and does not know what to blame
[20:44] <rniamo> rye_ : sorry i don't understand the question
[20:45] <rye_> rniamo, are all your attempts to boot end up with GDM loading? or some of them fail halfway (alternatively, is it the first day you are running Lucid? )
[20:45] <rniamo> rye_ : it is the first time i boot with direct rendering and this error during splash screen
[20:46] <rniamo> but i see an error but if i don't do anything it works
[20:47] <rye_> rniamo, ok, In case you get such problems, could you please ping me...
[20:47] <rniamo> ok, is it often (because i can reboot twice or 3 times to test if you want)
[20:48] <rye_> rniamo, no, no need for special tests, since that happens exactly when you need the pc to boot up fast.
[20:49] <rniamo> ok.lol
[20:49] <rniamo> thank you for your help :)
[20:49] <atrus> what's a good way to get gmail notifications in the indicator in lucid (not counting evolution, which sucks for large imap folders)
[20:50] <rniamo> it should be nice to add thunderbird to notification applet ;)
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> can anyone burn an image using brasero in lucid?
[20:52] <arand> atrus: there is some indicator applet integration for thunderbird... but it's kind of half-butted, compared to the thunderbird-own notifications...
[20:52] <atrus> rniamo: see, again, i don't really want to have a full-fledged email client running at all times. checking for new mail via gmail's rdf protocol is much simpler.
[20:52] <arand> Main nice thing about the thunderbird notifications are that they are clickable :D
[20:53] <atrus> arand: that's where the indicator is handy... though i'm on the fence about the indicator, because nobody outside of ubuntu is interested in it at all.
[20:54] <rniamo> that's true
[20:54] <arand> I just removed the indicator, it clogs up the systray...
[20:55] <atrus> the indicator's a neat idea. the objection seems to be about the api, and the lack of standards-track documentation.
[20:55] <atrus> ubuntu seems interested in solving the problem for ubuntu, but with no thought for how it interacts with other standards-compliant linuxes.
[20:57] <arand> I still hold by that the indicator applet should go, and the update notifier return...
[21:00] <atrus> crap. network-manager still silently loses my wireless connection in lucid :/
[21:00] <atrus> i wonder if wicd works okay in luced.
[21:00] <atrus> lucid.
[21:02] <jemark> atrus, i don't have a stable connection, too
[21:06] <yofel> heh, the 'guess keymap' feature in ubiquity is actually pretty nice if it chooses the wrong keyboard by default
[21:08] <yofel> but these '(as superuser)' window titles are annoying
[21:21] <aftertaf> hello. anyone got amissing plasma taskbar on lucid?
[21:21] <happyface> How can I disable TCP checksumming on wlan0?
[21:22] <aftertaf> i can add a new panel, and when i filter only running plasmoids, it shows the ones I had before dist-upgrading to lucid...
[21:26] <crimsun> happyface: ethtool(8)
[21:26] <happyface> crimsun: I figured that out, but I get "Cannot set device rx csum settings: Operation not supported."
[21:27] <happyface> crimsun: I'm not sure if that means my card doesn't use checksumming, or that it can't be disabled
[21:28] <crimsun> happyface: that's a very specific feature in hardware
[21:28] <crimsun> happyface: so, it means your card unsurprisingly doesn't support it
[21:28] <happyface> crimsun: ah ok, well this site said to do it in order to get their flash game to work in linux
[21:30] <Some_Person> I'm wondering if I should start providing packages for Lucid in my supertux PPA
[21:30] <Some_Person> The problem is that mean 2 75MB uploads every update (unless I discontinue karmic)
[21:31] <happyface> Some_Person: is supertux awesome?
[21:31] <Some_Person> well, I like it
[21:31] <Some_Person> if you're into sidescrollers, its pretty good
[21:31] <rye_> no separate screens in nouveau - http://www.mail-archive.com/nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org/msg02902.html
[21:31] <happyface> Some_Person: I want to play it, maybe you should add a Lucid package :P
[21:31] <happyface> Some_Person: yea i am it looks good
[21:32] <Some_Person> There's a version in the lucid repositories, my PPA just has a later version (actually from the devel branch)
[21:32] <rsk> isnt supertux still really bad?
[21:32] <happyface> ah
[21:32] <Some_Person> lucid has the latest version from the unstable branch, though with add-ons disabled for some reason
[21:33] <Some_Person> rsk: How so?
[21:33] <rsk> boring gameplay and sketchy artwork at best
[21:33] <happyface> rsk is probably just messing with you
[21:33] <happyface> since it's the best
[21:33] <rye_> but it is according to http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors
[21:34] <Some_Person> rsk: The artwork is improving, especially as of the past month or so
[21:34] <Some_Person> rsk: As for gameplay, what do you expect of a sidescroller?
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: how do you get your hostname like that? [~bugabundo@ubuntu/member/bugabundo
[21:34] <rsk> rye_ that page dosen't have directions for novueae
[21:34] <rsk> Some_Person some fun
[21:35] <rye_> rsk, ... in this example we'll use the new nouveau  driver
[21:35] <rsk> i guess gentoo wiki is more up to date then
[21:35] <rsk> than an archived message on the mailing-list
[21:35] <Some_Person> rsk: Can you be more specific?
[21:35] <rsk> mystery solved
[21:35] <rsk> Some_Person about what?
[21:35] <Some_Person> rsk: "some fun"
[21:36] <rye_> rsk, ah ... "in this example we will use the radeon driver, but as stated before this will work for any xrandr 1.2 compliant driver. "
[21:36] <rsk> as opposed to something boring
[21:36] <Some_Person> rsk: Example?
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> there is a negative vibe i'm feeling here
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> rsk: stop trolling..
[21:36] <rsk> masturbating is fun, hitting your toe in a rock is not
[21:36] <Some_Person> Ok, I'm just going to assume you're a troll
[21:38] <BUGabundo> !membership | Ian_Corne
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> aha :)
[21:39] <BUGabundo>  1665   0.00s   1.95s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  98% gnome-panel
[21:39] <BUGabundo> anyone with the same prob?
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> not atm
[21:39] <rsk> i've gotten that bug in practicly every version
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> I guess i'm not active enough for that :)
[21:39] <rsk> only a reinstall fixes it
[21:39] <rsk> really weird
[21:39] <Some_Person> I don't think I qualify for membership
[21:40] <Some_Person> Especially considering that I abandoned ubuntu for a while last year
[21:41] <rww> psh, they let me in, their standards can't be /too/ high
[21:41] <Some_Person> What have you contributed?
[21:42] <rww> Some_Person: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertWall has a list
[21:43] <Some_Person> You've done far more than me
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: I would support your candidature for Ubuntu Member
[21:43] <BUGabundo> FYI
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[21:45] <BUGabundo> not kidding
[21:47] <Ian_Corne> If you look at rww 's record, I'm far from that
[21:47] <happyface> Some_Person: supertux has a 0% joystick threshold?
[21:47] <Some_Person> happyface: ?
[21:47] <jemark> Some_Person, the current iso works now... :)
[21:48] <rww> Ian_Corne: People started telling me to apply about six months before I actually did. I'm probably not a good baseline to use ;P
[21:48] <crimsun> Ian_Corne: comparing against someone's "record" isn't reasonable.
[21:48] <rww> the only way to see if you qualify is to apply, imho
[21:49] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: and is rww a member?
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> I'll do it after my studies are done :)
[21:49] <BUGabundo> it took me like 1y to apply
[21:49] <skypce> hi , i am testing ubuntu 10.04 . it dont have xorg.conf Where i can configurate the video?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> to lazy
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> skypce: make one yourselve
[21:50] <BUGabundo> got to be the 6th member from our Local Ubuntu groups
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> but normally, it shouldn't be needed
[21:50] <BUGabundo> skypce: you don't need one
[21:50] <skypce> how can i do it , i have a geforce 7050 integrated
[21:50] <BUGabundo> we now use UDEV
[21:50] <skypce> i cant set the resolution of my screen
[21:50] <BUGabundo> do you mean you want nvidia blob?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> or you can use nouveau ppa and get 3D support
[21:51] <Some_Person> skypce: You probably need to install the nvidia driver
[21:51] <skypce> yes nouveau
[21:51] <Some_Person> nouveau has 3d support now?
[21:51] <skypce> i want test noveau drivers but only i watch in 800X600 res
[21:51] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, i believe the nouveau 3d is fairly limited at this point
[21:51] <skypce> i am with lubuntu 10.04
[21:51] <Some_Person> ZykoticK9: That's what I thought too
[21:52] <skypce> and with kernel 2.6.33
[21:52] <BUGabundo> skypce: why .33?
[21:52] <skypce> how can i do a dpkg-reconfigure --phigh xserver-xog
[21:52] <BUGabundo> current kernel is 32
[21:53] <BUGabundo> you just did
[21:53] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:53] <skypce> yes , i installed 33
[21:53] <skypce> i see a lot of new features
[21:53] <skypce> it is more faster than 32
[21:53] <skypce> i believe
[21:54] <Some_Person> For some reason it seems very strange running ubuntu off an SD card
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> skypce: it is, in some areas
[21:58] <skypce> can you explain to me how the new kernel 2.6.33 manage the ram ? in simple words
[21:58] <Andre_Gondim> where can I find libbluetooth2 to use bluetooth, I don't see in packages.ubuntu.com =/
[21:59] <YaManicKill> my usb sticks won't mount. they give me this error "mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'"
[21:59] <BUGabundo> skypce: I'm sorry, if you plan to run an unsupported kernel, not much we can do to help you out. plus you won't have kernel bits to run the nvidia blob
[22:00] <YaManicKill> i'm assuming that i don't have support for fat installed...
[22:00] <happyface> YaManicKill: sudo modprove vfat
[22:00] <csgeek> hey guys.. I'm tyring to Postgresql setup on Lucid, and /etc/init.d/postgresql start doesn't seem to work ... or even do anything
[22:01] <YaManicKill> WARNING: Could not read '/lib/modules/2.6.32-16-generic/kernel/fs/fat/fat.ko': Invalid module format
[22:01] <YaManicKill> FATAL: Could not read '/lib/modules/2.6.32-16-generic/kernel/fs/fat/vfat.ko': Invalid module format
[22:01] <wolter> are there any particular bugs that might worry an xps m1530 user with an nvidia card?
[22:01] <yofel> YaManicKill: that sounds bad, did you crash your os after  installation or ran out of space?
[22:01] <happyface> wolter: I'm on a m1530, do you have a 8600GT?
[22:01] <wolter> yeah
[22:01] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: why do you need libbluetooth2? (libbluetooth3 is in Lucid)
[22:02] <happyface> wolter: it works fine except nvidia-settings doesn't work too well
[22:02] <YaManicKill> yofel: nope, loads of space left (17GB) and i've not crashed it. should i reinstall kernel?
[22:02] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, to use Amora http://code.google.com/p/amora/wiki/how_to_install
[22:02] <wolter> happyface, oh ok, what other things don't work?
[22:02] <wolter> happyface, are you working in a 64bit machine or 32bit?
[22:02] <yofel> YaManicKill: yes, you probably should
[22:02] <happyface> wolter: 64 bit - everything else seems fine
[22:02] <wolter> good
[22:02] <wolter> I should then start my upgrade
[22:05] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: why don't you install amora-server from the Ubuntu repository?
[22:05] <happyface> does the "administrative task" password window not pop up sometimes for anyone else?
[22:05] <YaManicKill> yofel: whats the base package name for the kernel?
[22:05] <YaManicKill> linux-image?
[22:05] <crimsun> YaManicKill: source: linux; binary: <lots>
[22:06] <crimsun> YaManicKill: e.g., apt-cache showsrc linux|grep ^Bin
[22:06] <skypce> csgeek , why you better install xampp of apache friends , only uncompress and run it
[22:07] <yofel> YaManicKill: apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)
[22:07] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, I didn't know, we have it
[22:07] <maxtsepkov> Is there a way to turn off the new current keybord language indicator in the gnome panel?
[22:07] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, many thanks ;)
[22:10] <YaManicKill> ok, reinstalled, restarting
[22:14] <csgeek> I don't like pre-packaged suites..
[22:14] <csgeek> no reason I can't install the individual components
[22:14] <csgeek> I think my issue is that the locale is not set properly
[22:16] <csgeek> fixed.
[22:16] <csgeek> stupid locale
[22:16] <YaManicKill> w00p it is sorted
[22:17] <rww> ugh, I hate locale problems. I started getting locale-related warnings when using apt-get, and couldn't for the life of me figure out why :(
[22:17] <rww> ended up nuking the install because of that and other related problems (I think this was Karmic alpha ;P)
[22:17] <rww> s/related/unrelated/
[22:26] <Spirits-Sight> anyone in here that good with connecting CE device to Ubuntu to see it as a storage device?
[22:34] <Spirits-Sight> anyone in here that good with connecting CE device to Ubuntu to see it as a storage device?
[23:17] <DSpair> Any LVM2 guru's in here?
[23:18] <DSpair> Does anyone know of a way to move a Logical Volume from one PV to another?
[23:18] <DSpair> Duh, nevermind, I just figured it out.
[23:20] <BUGabundo> DSpair: mind sharing with us ?
[23:23] <DSpair> Well, since I'm out of space on the one PV.
[23:23] <DSpair> I created a new LV of the same size on the other PV
[23:23] <DSpair> And I'm dd'ing the LV
[23:24] <DSpair> It's mind boggling that I can go through so much space when my first hard drive was only 80MB.... :)
[23:25] <DSpair> Time to go and buy some more hard drives.
[23:27] <happyface> anyone know a fix for this in nvidia-settings? "Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page:
[23:27] <happyface> Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0."
[23:29] <FFForever> why does ubuntu keep removing dropbox?
[23:35] <DSpair> I do wish that Ubuntu would make it easier for Desktop users to leverage LVM for simplified filesystem resizing. As a technical person, I can do it, but I think it has real value for the end user.
[23:35] <DSpair> Imagine being able to just pop in a new hard drive and have Ubuntu allocate it into the VG and allow the user to expand their storage on the fly. Very nice.
[23:36] <BUGabundo> FFForever: I never stop for me
[23:36] <FFForever> BUGabundo, huh?'
[23:37] <BUGabundo> FFForever: my DB is working fine
[23:37] <BUGabundo> never saw it being removed
[23:37] <FFForever> BUGabundo, when I do updates it removed it :(
[23:37] <BUGabundo> never
[23:37] <FFForever> hmmm =\, this is the second time
[23:37] <DSpair> FFForever: Are you using the packages from the DropBox site, or the ones from the repositories>
[23:37] <DSpair> ?
[23:38] <FFForever> package from the db site
[23:38] <FFForever> didn't know there was one in the repository
[23:38] <DSpair> FFForever: Well there's your problem.
[23:38] <BUGabundo> using their repo for client
[23:38] <BUGabundo> and then forum build for daemon
[23:50] <atrus> maybe this is a stupid question... but where are the preferences under netbook-remix?
[23:51] <ChogyDan> atrus: same place as system
[23:52] <atrus> ahh
[23:52] <fatbrain> atrus: 10.04 netbook-remix?
[23:54] <atrus> right.
[23:54] <atrus> what's the normal window manager under lucid's netbook-remix, btw? i seem to have broken the usual titlebar-hiding feature somehow...
[23:54] <fatbrain> should I upgrade? :D
[23:55] <MikeChelen> only if you are willing to test something that isn't finished yet :)
[23:55] <fatbrain> atrus: metacity? :S
[23:55] <rww> atrus: the titlebar-hiding thing is part of maximus
[23:55] <fatbrain> MikeChelen: heh, ya, I'll wait
[23:55] <rww> it is in 9.10 UNR, anyway
[23:56] <atrus> rww: hmm. i'm running maximus, but i still see titlebars...
[23:56] <MikeChelen> fatbrain: the beta or release candidate might be a decent compromise
[23:56] <atrus> things do get maximized on run though
[23:56] <fatbrain> is the rc out yet? :S
[23:57] <atrus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule says the beta's on thursday.
[23:57] <atrus> beta1 anyways. beta 2 on april 8th, rc on 4/22, and final 4/29.
[23:58] <artisan> the new gwibber in lucid is definitely broken ;)