[00:01] <daker> done
[00:02] <godbyk> back
[00:02] <godbyk> daker: okay, let me add it to the branch here.
[00:05] <godbyk> daker, I've pushed it to the branch.
[00:05] <godbyk> so let's get yours cleaned up now
[00:05] <godbyk> run 'bzr status' and paste the results.
[00:05] <daker> oh shit i have delete the folder
[00:06] <daker> i am getting back the branch
[00:07] <godbyk> daker: you deleted your branch or just the daker/ site?
[00:07] <godbyk> if you deleted your branch, that's okay.  you can just 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual' and you'll be fine.
[00:07] <daker> i delete the forlder /home/daker/ubuntu-manual
[00:09] <godbyk> daker: that's okay. just 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual' and you'll have a clean branch with your website too.
[00:09] <godbyk> (easier than cleaning up what you had, even. :-))
[00:09] <daker> that what i think
[00:10] <daker> a clean branch comes from the source branch :)
[00:11] <godbyk> daker, your site is up at: http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/daker/
[00:11] <godbyk> for now, you'll have to make your links relative, since your site is living in a subdirectory.
[00:11] <daker> oki
[00:13] <daker> my website is not there
[00:13] <godbyk> So your workflow with bzr will look like this:
[00:13] <godbyk> 1. run 'bzr pull' to make sure your branch is up to date.
[00:13] <godbyk> 2. make changes to your website
[00:13] <godbyk> 3. run 'bzr pull' again
[00:13] <godbyk> 4. run 'bzr commit -m "notes about what you changed"'
[00:13] <godbyk> 5. run 'bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual'
[00:14] <godbyk> then start those steps over again when you want to make more changes.
[00:14] <godbyk> daker: your website isn't where?
[00:14] <daker> yes
[00:14] <daker> hi is
[00:19] <daker> i made a little changes for the links
[00:19] <daker> daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr push --no-strict lp:ubuntu-manual
[00:19] <daker> No new revisions to push.
[00:22] <godbyk> daker: what does 'bzr status' return?
[00:22] <godbyk> did you run 'bzr commit'?
[00:22] <daker> sorry no
[00:23] <daker> if i dont want to give a message for the comit ?
[00:23] <godbyk> no problem. it takes a while to get used to working with bzr.
[00:23] <godbyk> You have to give some sort of message. It's useful to us when we look at the logs.
[00:23] <daker> oki
[00:23] <godbyk> So if you fixed a spelling error, just say, 'Fixed a spelling error.'
[00:24] <godbyk> It doesn't have to be a lengthy message. Just let us know what changes you made.
[00:28] <daker> godbyk,  the http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/daker/ wil be up in few minutes ?
[00:28] <godbyk> daker: yes. it updates every 30 minutes.
[00:29] <daker> oki
[00:30] <daker> i ll made the pot file for translations next times
[00:32] <daker> see now
[00:35] <daker> ill be back
[00:39] <daker> back
[00:39] <daker> godbyk, how can i run quickshot ?
[00:43] <godbyk> daker: you have check it out from bzr:  'bzr branch lp:quickshot'
[00:43] <godbyk> then go into the quickshot/ directory and run 'quickly run'
[00:43] <godbyk> (you'll need to have quickly installed: 'sudo apt-get install quickly' before you start, though.)
[00:44] <godbyk> quickshot doesn't really do anything yet, though.
[00:44] <daker> oki
[00:44] <daker> thanks
[00:47] <daker> anthor thing
[00:48] <daker> so i workin in local(php) so i need to put my work in /var/www
[00:49] <godbyk> you could make /var/www a symlink that points to ~/ubuntu-manual/website/daker/
[00:49] <godbyk> if the only thing in /var/www is your ubuntu-manual site, you can delete the /var/www/ dir (or rename it)
[00:49] <godbyk> then cd /var
[00:49] <godbyk> and: sudo ln -s /path/to/ubuntu-manual/website/daker /var/www
[00:51] <daker> sudo ln -s /path/to/ubuntu-manual/website/daker /var/www/daker-remake
[00:52] <godbyk> that will work, too.
[00:52] <godbyk> then go to http://127.0.0.1/daker-remake/
[00:55]  * ubuntujenkins can't sleep
[00:56] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I've got a few quickshot bugs you can work on as long as you're awake. :-P
[00:56] <ubuntujenkins> I have fixed the last one you filled :-P fire away
[00:58] <godbyk> I'm going through the irc log and adding in screenshots and trying to consolidate some things into a little report for you guys.
[00:58] <ubuntujenkins> wow thats extensive and very much appreciated
[00:59] <daker> ubuntujenkins, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/daker/?home
[00:59] <ubuntujenkins> it works daker much eaiser that way
[01:01] <daker> so we have juste to put the pot file for the translations
[01:01] <ubuntujenkins> why on the download page is there 10.10 in the drop down box. 10.10 isn't avalible yet.
[01:01] <daker> juste for test
[01:01] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[01:02] <godbyk> for the initial version of the website, we can leave out that whole dropbox (since there's only the one choice).
[01:02] <godbyk> but we'll want it in the future.
[01:02] <godbyk> daker: can the site detect what language my browser is using and use the appropriate translation automatically?
[01:03] <daker> its can be done :)
[01:03] <ubuntujenkins> that would be anoying if I wanted to look at another language for fun/ other people
[01:06] <godbyk> you'll still be able to download other languages
[01:06] <godbyk> it'll just default to your own language
[01:06] <ubuntujenkins> i see makes sense
[01:07]  * ubuntujenkins blames its late at night
[01:08] <daker> godbyk, good in php ?
[01:11] <godbyk> daker: used to be
[01:11] <ubuntujenkins> I think TommyBrunn can do php
[01:12] <daker> oki :)
[01:13] <sebsebseb> Hi
[01:13] <daker> so i have next time to add the pot file for translations where can i upload it ?
[01:14] <ubuntujenkins> hi sebsebseb
[01:14] <sebsebseb> just updated my vm,  now I get the boot up :) after plymouth update,  not that bad,  but  Mandriva's is still way better
[01:15] <sebsebseb> also purple icions, well since they aren't all there places looks a bit odd
[01:15] <ubuntujenkins> nice to see the ui freeze is being paid attention to
[01:16] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: yeah I know what you mean
[01:16] <sebsebseb> quite a few graphical changes after that
[01:17] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: which is good really, since  what we saw back then, wasn't that good
[01:17] <ubuntujenkins> I don't understand mandriva they make people pay i tried it for about 30mins and then realised i had to pay and then went back to ubuntu
[01:17] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: no you don't have to pay at all
[01:17] <sebsebseb> three versions
[01:18] <sebsebseb> well four if you include Mandriva cooker the one that they keep on updating the development version
[01:18] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: Mandriva Free only free software,  a 64bit and 32bit version
[01:18] <ubuntujenkins> i just tried the one on linux format disc
[01:18] <sebsebseb> Mandriva One 32bit and 64bit,  comes with  MP3 codec even
[01:19] <sebsebseb> uh
[01:19] <sebsebseb> no 64bit version for that one I mean
[01:19] <sebsebseb> for some reason no 64bit version,  since to much effort for the company or whatever,  but there is or might be a community version of Mandriva One 64bit
[01:20] <sebsebseb> Power Pack is paid for,  that's support and commercial apps,  plus they got  some other version now,  instant on or something, again paid for
[01:20] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: Mandriva  used to have the market before Ubuntu came along
[01:20] <sebsebseb> the desktop market
[01:20] <sebsebseb> it was the most used distro on the desktop and lap tops
[01:20] <ubuntujenkins> wow I might give it ago when i get a moment
[01:20] <sebsebseb> it goes back to 1998
[01:21] <sebsebseb> used to be Mandrake untill they had to change name to Mandriva, because of legal issues
[01:21] <sebsebseb> plus something about the logo,  in fact I got a link to give you,  about the history and so on
[01:21] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I am rather impressed with it,  I used to really like Ubuntu, but not so much anymore
[01:22] <sebsebseb> so now basically if  it's a new Desktop Linux user, and they want to use Facebook and such,  i'll probably recommend Ubuntu,  because social menu that will be in 10.04
[01:22] <sebsebseb> or maybe if they want to buy music since the Ubuntu One Music Store
[01:22] <ubuntujenkins> ubuntu music store still isn't in
[01:22] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I read that it probaby will be in the beta
[01:22] <sebsebseb> so people can try it
[01:23] <sebsebseb> or I should say I read that it will be in the beta,  or that was the  Ubuntu UK podcast that told me :D
[01:23] <ubuntujenkins> 7digital is competative in priceing, ithink it was in ubuntu uk podcast
[01:24] <sebsebseb> anyway if they don't care about those kind of features,  I might still recommend Ubuntu,  but  Mandriva is rather nice, and really since it's got a nice graphical control centre,  parentol controls and easy way to turn off  pulse audio,  it's really more user friendly than Ubuntu
[01:24] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: just with the latest version I had a few little issues, nothing major though
[01:24] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I am not so keen on all these changes  Ubuntu has done to Gnome, it started with 9.04
[01:25] <ubuntujenkins> I love they changes except the buttons to the left thing but that can be chnaged
[01:25] <sebsebseb> also  the automatic shut down counter feature, being removed, that's  a bit sad really
[01:25] <ubuntujenkins> they should have an option to bring it back
[01:26] <sebsebseb> indeed, just like there should be an option to  have  shut down and log out in system menu.  when  got edited fusa fast user account switcher, which is now also linked to me menu
[01:26] <sebsebseb> that's something else, should be able to remove the me menu, whilst having the social features
[01:26] <sebsebseb> uh I meant IM features
[01:27] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: things are a lot more linked with 10.04.  sound applet as well.  know what I mean?
[01:27] <ubuntujenkins> yea I do love 10.04 though it took a couple of days to get use to the me menu not doing shut down but after that it was fine
[01:28] <ubuntujenkins> my parents will find it harder though
[01:28] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I don't think 10.04 is good for business users from what I have seen
[01:28] <sebsebseb> I don't see any new features that are  business features
[01:29] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: so if I was running a business that had Ubuntu desktops I would keep them on 8.04 or start looking into using some other distro instead
[01:29] <ubuntujenkins> true I think people can put custom spins in it though you have ooo and evolution.
[01:29] <sebsebseb> thing is 8.04 on the desktop won't be supported all the way untill the next LTS
[01:29] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: sure, but Open Office and Evolution are in  nearly all desktop Linux distro's
[01:29] <sebsebseb> by default
[01:29] <sebsebseb> these days
[01:29] <ubuntujenkins> true
[01:30] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I don't know if you know already, but they are having the Gnome 2.28  version of Evolution in Lucid, instead of 2.29
[01:30] <ubuntujenkins> whats the differnce can't be much?
[01:31] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: also Evolution is a bit buggy,  or at least with exchange,  I read some stuff about evolution not that long ago,  including something from someone who used to program it
[01:31] <ubuntujenkins> I find evolution fine I like it alot
[01:31] <sebsebseb> I have  never used it properly
[01:31] <ubuntujenkins> use it all the time
[01:32] <sebsebseb> I use web mail, but if I am going to use an email client, well Thunderbird :)  been quite a while since I used Thunderbird 2, and I haven't tried Thunderbird 3 yet
[01:32] <ubuntujenkins> I ahve to many e-mail accounts for webmail
[01:33] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: time zones and so on, I came here thinking humphreybc might be here
[01:33] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: since I wanted to tell him that I had read this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/16-things-that-could-be-improved-in.html
[01:33] <ubuntujenkins> he can be it depends on what lectures he has i expect
[01:33] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: yeah exactly
[01:33] <sebsebseb> or if he is working or whatever
[01:37] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: so Mandriva  and history of Gnome and KDE basically and peoples comments here, hence not a direct link to the article http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010031200335OSMD
[01:38] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[01:39] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: np
[01:40] <sebsebseb> and  Mandriva is a rather nice distro,  after  using this latest release since  I think it was November some time on here,  because I wasn't impressed with Ubuntu 9.10,  and not being that impressed with  what I have seen so far of 10.04,  I am loving Mandriva more and more :)  for now at least, the other computer will still have Ubuntu,  and it will get upgraded to 10.04.
[01:41] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I guess Gnome 3 will start to change things
[01:41] <sebsebseb> and hopefuly properly and for the better,  when  it becomes default in Ubuntu
[01:41] <ubuntujenkins> yep I am so glad lts is not gnome3 my parents would find it so hard to use. I will not mid the change but htey will find it hard
[01:42] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: yeah I think it's a good thing that
[01:42] <sebsebseb> 10.04 is still Gnome 2
[01:42] <ubuntujenkins> thats what I ment :-P
[01:42] <sebsebseb> by default, and even if Gnome 3 had been ready  by April which was the plan, I guess it will of only been in the repo as an option, which I expect is what will happen with 10.10
[01:43] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I am not so keen on the two new themes, but  that black one is alright, but thing is I then open up Firefox, and I think things look odd
[01:44] <sebsebseb> the other one is ok as well, but I do  actsaully prefer the black, even though I don't tend to like dark themes
[01:44] <ubuntujenkins> I like the black one I haven't used firefox I use chrome
[01:44] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: anyway I guess next Ubuntu Manual will have to cover both, Gnome 2 and Gnomd 3 in 10.10 :D
[01:45] <ubuntujenkins> I hadn't thought of that sebsebseb gnome 3 is going to give us more work
[01:45] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: well  I am not actsauly making the manual
[01:46] <sebsebseb> I found out about it, told soeone about it, who is making it
[01:46] <sebsebseb> and i'l give some feedback here and there
[01:46] <ubuntujenkins> all help s welcome
[01:47] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: oh yeah and  this is the factoid message I came up with :)  and they did
[01:47] <sebsebseb> !ot
[01:47] <manualbot> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[01:47] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: we are, but
[01:47] <sebsebseb> so what :D
[01:47] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: and they did, I meant and they accepted
[01:47] <sebsebseb> if  we weren't chatting now in here, this channel would probably be rather dead
[01:48] <ubuntujenkins> this isn't the busiest channel at the moment.
[01:48] <sebsebseb> indeed
[01:48] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: there will be a nice log of this offical logs :)
[01:48] <sebsebseb> plain text and HTML
[01:48] <ubuntujenkins> there will indead
[01:49] <ubuntujenkins> in colour in html :P
[01:49] <sebsebseb> indeed :)
[01:51] <sebsebseb> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-03-11-025-35-OS-BZ-UB
[01:51] <sebsebseb> well the bot's here don't do the URL title thing, so
[01:52] <sebsebseb> Time For Ubuntu to Fork Evolution
[01:52] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: again no direct link, since comments
[01:52] <ubuntujenkins> reading it now
[01:53] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: well that was quick to go on the link
[01:56] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: In a way it's kind of funny that HumphreyBC has complained about Ubuntu 10.04 here and there (such as the link I gave earlier), since he's the manual leader,  so he will be making a manual for software, that he doesn't like here and there
[01:57] <ubuntujenkins> the have point about evolution I have to argue its not that unstable
[01:57] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: a comment on the article, goes to a developer reply
[01:57] <sebsebseb> someone who used to program it
[01:58] <ubuntujenkins> sebsebseb: i hink humphreybc is picking up on minor features and it is still in devlopment it is all opinioated
[01:58] <ubuntujenkins> at least most of it
[01:58] <sebsebseb> when I used software above, this would be more correct, a distro
[02:00] <ubuntujenkins> although choice is the advantage of linux and if humphrybc was realy unhappy he would move ot anohter distro
[02:02] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: yeah I guess
[02:02] <sebsebseb> thing is though
[02:02] <sebsebseb> loads of people think Ubuntu is Linux
[02:02] <sebsebseb> they don't know about other distros
[02:03] <sebsebseb> hrm I wonder if that is really true, that loads of people think that
[02:03] <sebsebseb> ,but you know what I mean, I guess
[02:07] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: Read this yet? http://a-hackers-craic.blogspot.com/2010/03/forkn-evolution.html
[02:07] <ubuntujenkins> not yet just fixing a bug
[02:07] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: fixing a bug?
[02:07] <ubuntujenkins> on quickshot
[02:08] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: What's quickshot?
[02:08] <sebsebseb> sounds famiular I think
[02:08] <daker> ubuntujenkins, how can i write a multi lines in the commit ?
[02:09] <ubuntujenkins> sebsebseb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[02:09] <ubuntujenkins> daker:  i would like to know myself actually good question
[02:10] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: oh
[02:10] <daker> godbyk, ?
[02:10] <godbyk> daker: I'm here.
[02:10] <daker>  how can we write a multi lines in the commit ?
[02:11] <godbyk> if you just say 'bzr commit' (without the -m "blah"), it'll load your text editor and you can write whatever you like.  when you save and exit the text editor, it'll finish committing.
[02:11] <daker> oki
[02:17] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: Ubuntu forking evolution they shoudn't do that
[02:19] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX Do you kwon how i can list all the users using python?
[02:20] <ubuntujenkins> sebsebseb: I don't mind as long as it still works it doesn't bother me
[02:22] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: oh ok
[02:22] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: right so, that's what quickshot is, did you program that?
[02:23] <ubuntujenkins> no I haev done bits and bobs, most of it has been done by others.
[02:25] <sebsebseb> The oh ok, was for  Evolution thing.  You just fixed a bug, by proggramming a fix?
[02:25] <sebsebseb> for quickshot
[02:26] <ubuntujenkins> I try to fix the bugs as best as I can currently they usually involve low level python which is about as far as my skill level goies
[02:27] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: ah ok,  that's kind of answer I was after :)
[02:27] <sebsebseb> the kind of
[02:28] <ubuntujenkins> sorry sebsebseb I am making less and less sense its late for me
[02:28] <sebsebseb> of answer I was after.  Sometimes when I don't type in a word to IRC, I want to correct that.
[02:29] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: You are makeing sense.
[02:31] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: There's nothing to appologize about :)
[02:33] <ubuntujenkins> sebsebseb: I often find i don't make sense when I ma awake :-$ I tend to try to type to fast
[02:33] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: oh
[02:34] <ubuntujenkins> I think faster than I can type
[02:34] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I can type quickly what I am thinking :)
[02:35] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: Which sometimes might be a bit bad actsualley :D
[02:36] <sebsebseb> might be a bit of a bad thing sometimes,  depending on what was typed
[02:45] <ubuntujenkins> right night all i am finaly tired 4 hours of sleep here i come
[06:31] <humphreybc> quick, everyone tell me everything you know about data representation!
[06:36] <godbyk> humphreybc: ha! you'll have to narrow it down quite a bit.
[06:36] <humphreybc> i have a 10% test tomorrow on data representation....
[06:36] <humphreybc> only found out about it today
[06:36] <godbyk> humphreybc: it's all 1s and 0s.  Easy peasy.
[06:36] <humphreybc> :S
[06:37] <humphreybc> yeah, but stuff like different bases and hexadecimal stuff and IEEE?
[06:37] <humphreybc> hopefully it's just converting binary to decimal.... :)
[06:38] <godbyk> ah, the base conversion is easy.  you might want to read up on the IEEE floating-point representation stuff, though. It's pretty easy, but you'll have to skim through it.
[06:39] <godbyk> you can promptly forget about it once the test is over.  in practice you very rarely have to concern yourself with it.
[06:39] <humphreybc> i have the lecture notes for it in front of me
[06:39] <humphreybc> not particularly detailed though
[06:39] <godbyk> wikipedia is your friend.
[06:39] <humphreybc> is there an online resource somewhere that talks about that sort of stuff?
[06:39] <humphreybc> :P
[07:51] <nisshh> hey guys
[07:51] <nisshh> looking for some help
[07:51] <nisshh> for some reason the install script in the bzr branch reckons i dont have tex live 2009 installed
[07:52] <nisshh> when i actaully do...
[07:54] <nisshh> ls
[07:54] <humphreybc> godbyk ^^
[07:54] <nisshh> cheers benjamin
[07:55] <godbyk> nisshh: can you email the install-pkgs.log file to me at <kevin@ubuntu-manual.org>
[07:55] <godbyk> I'll take a look at it and see what's going on.
[07:55] <nisshh> thanks
[07:55] <nisshh> and yes im on the latest revision
[07:56] <nisshh> sure
[07:58] <nisshh> when i try to compile it says error 127
[07:58] <nisshh> and i did a full tex live install twice just to make sure
[07:59] <godbyk> okay, it says it's not detecting texlive at all.
[08:00] <nisshh> can you fix it and push the fix to the branch?
[08:00] <godbyk> nisshh: what does 'which tlmgr' return?
[08:00] <nisshh> nothing
[08:01] <godbyk> okay.  did you accept the default paths when you installed?
[08:01] <nisshh> all i did was:
[08:01] <nisshh> run the install script from the archive at the link on the wiki instructions
[08:02] <nisshh> and hit 'I' and enter
[08:02] <godbyk> okay.
[08:02] <godbyk> we can fix it pretty easily then
[08:02] <nisshh> it said it was a full install
[08:02] <godbyk> run: sudo apt-get install perl-tk
[08:03] <nisshh> hang on a sec installing
[08:03] <godbyk> 'kay
[08:03] <godbyk> are you running 64-bit or 32-bit?
[08:03] <nisshh> 32
[08:03] <nisshh> old computer
[08:03] <nisshh> kk done
[08:04] <godbyk> 'kay.
[08:04] <godbyk> nisshh: now run: /usr/local/texlive/2009/bin/*/tlmgr --gui
[08:04] <godbyk> actually, run that with 'sudo'
[08:04] <godbyk> so: sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/bin/*/tlmgr --gui
[08:05] <nisshh> ok its popped up
[08:06] <godbyk> okay. click on the Actions menu and select "Handle symlinks in system dirs..."
[08:06] <nisshh> hep ok
[08:07] <nisshh> yep
[08:07] <godbyk> are the directories that are listed in your PATH?
[08:07] <nisshh> what do you mean?
[08:08] <godbyk> are the directories there /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/info, and /usr/local/man?
[08:08] <nisshh> ah yes they are there
[08:08] <godbyk> okay
[08:08] <godbyk> in a terminal, type: echo $PATH | grep /usr/local/bin
[08:08] <godbyk> does that return anything?
[08:10] <nisshh> it returns this: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[08:10] <godbyk> perfect.
[08:10] <nisshh> ok good
[08:10] <godbyk> click on the "Update symbolic links" button.
[08:10] <nisshh> yes done
[08:10] <godbyk> then click OK
[08:10] <godbyk> and then you can close the tlmgr program.
[08:11] <nisshh> done
[08:11] <godbyk> now in a terminal, does "which tlmgr" return anything?
[08:12] <nisshh> yes it returns: /usr/local/bin/tlmgr
[08:12] <godbyk> great
[08:13] <godbyk> now you should be able to run the install-pkgs.sh script again and it'll work.
[08:13] <nisshh> ok gimme a sec then
[08:13] <godbyk> the problem was that, while everything was installed, the binaries (programs) were placed in a directory that isn't normally searched when you try to run a program.
[08:14] <nisshh> gotcha its working so far
[08:14] <godbyk> so we create links from the weird directory to one of the regular directories that is searched.
[08:14] <nisshh> ah and thats what the update symlinks button did
[08:14] <godbyk> there was an option during the installation to have it do that for you, but it's not turned on by default. (I'm not sure why.)
[08:14] <godbyk> so it's easy to miss if you're not looking for it.
[08:14] <nisshh> yea thats annoying
[08:15] <nisshh> maybe you should put that on the wiki
[08:16] <godbyk> yeah, it is mentioned in the installation instructions, but I will make it more prominent.
[08:16] <godbyk> you're not the first who's ran into that problem. :)
[08:16] <nisshh> ok sounds good
[08:16] <nisshh> lol i bet
[08:17] <godbyk> nisshh: let me know if you run into any more problems.
[08:17] <nisshh> ok i should be ok for the moment
[08:23] <nisshh> wow taking a long time to compile the manual
[08:23] <humphreybc> it's cos it's so awesome
[08:23] <nisshh> hehe too right
[08:24] <godbyk> heh.. it's 'cause I have it compiling it probably twice as many times as is actually required (just to make sure all the index entries, glossary entries, table of contents entries, and cross-referencing works out okay).
[08:24] <nisshh> heh that plus my slow computer
[08:24] <thorwil> hi!
[08:24] <nisshh> hi!
[08:24] <nisshh> hehe
[08:25] <nisshh> wow nice title page thorwil
[08:26] <nisshh> really like ti
[08:26] <nisshh> it'
[08:26] <thorwil> ty
[08:26] <nisshh> and the whole uk version is not even 700k
[08:26] <thorwil> nisshh: you mean the one now in the pdf?
[08:26] <nisshh> nice
[08:26] <nisshh> yes
[08:29] <nisshh> godbyk: my i just compiled the manual into the uk version and its doing something really strange
[08:29] <godbyk> nisshh: what's it doing?
[08:29] <nisshh> the chaplinks are displayed in some strange language
[08:30] <nisshh> but everything else is fine
[08:31] <godbyk> nisshh:  when you mentioned compiling the uk version.. you mean ubuntu-manual-uk.pdf?  because that's the ukrainian version.
[08:31] <godbyk> for uk-english, you'll want ubuntu-manual-en_GB.pdf
[08:32] <nisshh> oh i used ubuntu-manual-uk.pdf
[08:32] <nisshh> cheers for that
[08:35]  * humphreybc just posted his first article for OMG! Ubuntu! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/unleash-your-inner-sysadmin-with.html
[08:36] <nisshh> humphreybc: do you write for omgubuntu now?
[08:36] <humphreybc> every now and then :)
[08:36] <humphreybc> Joey made me a writer
[08:36] <nisshh> oh and godbyk en_GB worked fine
[08:36] <humphreybc> *yay*
[08:36] <nisshh> cool
[08:36] <godbyk> nisshh: great!
[08:36] <humphreybc> so now I can shamelessly promote the manual project haha
[08:37] <nisshh> hehe
[08:40] <nisshh> nice article by the way
[08:41] <humphreybc> you like it?
[08:41] <humphreybc> it's not my best writing... lol
[08:42] <nisshh> no there is some better stuff on your blog but its nicely informational
[08:43] <nisshh> hehe its better than my blog atm which has had a whopping 36 visits and no comments at all
[08:44] <humphreybc> haha
[08:45] <nisshh> meh, hey whats that program for trying out the next version of ubuntu, i need to try out lucid
[08:46] <humphreybc> testdrive
[08:46] <humphreybc> !testdrive
[08:46] <manualbot> Testdrive makes it simple to run any Ubuntu release in a virtual machine, safely, and without affecting your current Ubuntu installation. See: https://launchpad.net/testdrive
[08:46] <nisshh> thats right cheers
[08:46] <humphreybc> hey, that actually worked
[08:46] <humphreybc> good work manualbot!
[08:46] <nisshh> oooh cool
[08:47] <nisshh> didnt know manualbot actaully did that
[08:47] <nisshh> !quickly
[08:47] <manualbot> Factoid 'quickly' not found
[08:47] <nisshh> darn it
[08:47] <humphreybc> haha
[08:48] <humphreybc> !quickshot
[08:48] <manualbot> Factoid 'quickshot' not found
[08:48] <humphreybc> ..
[08:48] <humphreybc> !ubuntu-manual
[08:48] <manualbot> Factoid 'ubuntu-manual' not found
[08:48] <humphreybc> well that's just useless
[08:48] <humphreybc> !software-center
[08:48] <manualbot> Factoid 'software-center' not found
[08:48] <humphreybc> !help
[08:48] <manualbot> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[08:48] <nisshh> lol
[08:48] <humphreybc> !why don't you know more shit manualbot?
[08:48] <manualbot> humphreybc: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[08:49] <humphreybc> !sigh
[08:49] <manualbot> Factoid 'sigh' not found
[08:49] <nisshh> lol nope never did
[08:49] <nisshh> stupid but AI
[08:49] <nisshh> bot AI
[09:06] <nisshh> awesome program testdrive im donloading the iso now
[09:07] <humphreybc> sweet
[09:08] <nisshh> darn now i have to wait a whole hour
[09:08] <humphreybc> for the ISO?
[09:08] <nisshh> yes
[09:08] <nisshh> slow net
[09:08] <humphreybc> you should totally just install it on your HDD
[09:08] <humphreybc> it's very stable
[09:09] <nisshh> yea but im against upgrading to the next release
[09:09] <nisshh> it never works properly when i upgrade
[09:09] <humphreybc> do a fresh install?
[09:10] <nisshh> meh yea ok you have convinced me lol
[09:10] <humphreybc> haha
[09:10] <humphreybc> do you create a separate encrypted home partition?
[09:10] <nisshh> yes but not encrypted
[09:10] <humphreybc> kk
[09:11] <humphreybc> so if you've got a separate home partition you should be sweet
[09:11] <nisshh> tried encryption once, yuck not on a p4
[09:11] <humphreybc> I usually create a new /home anyway because there is a lot of cruft that builds up in there
[09:11] <nisshh> thats what scripts are for!
[09:11] <humphreybc> I have this fresh install script
[09:11] <nisshh> so do i
[09:11] <humphreybc> it's quite handy
[09:12] <nisshh> im going to try lucid in testdrive first and if all looks good ill upgrade from karmic
[09:12] <humphreybc> humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ubuntu-desktop-setup.sh
[09:12] <humphreybc> oops
[09:12] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ubuntu-desktop-setup.sh
[09:12] <humphreybc> http might help :P
[09:13] <nisshh> hehe hey dude isnt this the one i gave you ages ago?
[09:14] <nisshh> looks so much like mine
[09:14] <humphreybc> oh wait
[09:14] <humphreybc> probably is!
[09:14] <humphreybc> yes it is!
[09:14] <humphreybc> i got it off someone and now I remember it was you :P
[09:14] <humphreybc> I changed it a bit and added some more echo statements to keep finer track of what's happening
[09:14] <nisshh> yea iv added stuff like libdvdcss2 now
[09:14] <nisshh> yea i thought so
[09:16]  * humphreybc really needs to hit the sack, early start tomorrow
[09:16] <nisshh> hehe
[09:20] <nisshh> cyas
[09:27] <nisshh> humphreybc: how did you upgrade from karmic to lucid because i cant seem to
[09:27] <humphreybc> i just backed everything up and then installed lucid over karmid
[09:27] <humphreybc> karmic*
[09:28] <nisshh> so you fresh installed?
[09:29] <humphreybc> yessir
[09:30] <nisshh> ah ok thanks
[09:30] <humphreybc> upgrading is a bit of a pain
[09:30] <humphreybc> especially now that they've changed some pretty big stuff, like moving to plymouth, removing HAL etc
[09:31] <humphreybc> fresh install > upgrade
[09:31] <nisshh> yea
[09:31] <nisshh> i didnt know they had made massive changes since its an lts lol
[09:32] <humphreybc> yeah they have made some pretty big changes
[09:32] <nisshh> ok yea so i guess ill still test it out in testdrive and then if all goes well i fresh install
[09:33] <humphreybc> yup
[09:33] <nisshh> also i cant remember but after i install lucid and then beta comes out is it possible to upgrade then?
[09:33] <humphreybc> it's rather stable
[09:33] <humphreybc> yep
[09:33] <nisshh> yea
[09:33] <nisshh> ok cool
[09:33] <humphreybc> if you just keep updating you'll have the final Lucid
[09:34] <nisshh> yea ok
[09:34] <humphreybc> (when that's out)
[09:34] <nisshh> yea do you find lucid better than karmic?
[09:34] <nisshh> does it boot faster?
[09:35] <ubuntujenkins> the splash screen is pointless for me i see it for 2 seconds
[09:35] <humphreybc> yesss
[09:35] <humphreybc> and it fixed my suspend resume!
[09:36] <nisshh> meh sounds like plymouth helps alot
[09:36] <humphreybc> the only thing i don't like is the theme, but that's easily changed
[09:36] <nisshh> yea the theme devs are apparently thinking about what they could have done better
[09:38] <nisshh> holy moly my download speed just jumped from normal to 29mb/s for a whole 10 seconds there!
[09:38] <humphreybc> nice
[09:39] <nisshh> yea considering that speed is impossible for my connection anyway
[09:39] <nisshh> iso is 24% done
[09:40] <humphreybc> neato
[09:43] <ubuntujenkins> Red_Hamster and TommyBrunn if you see titeuf_87 around can you ask if his branch is ready to merge with main there are ui changes to make that will possible get messed up with a merge and it would be good to get testing it all.
[09:45] <ubuntujenkins> Ping Red_HamsterX ^^^ miss typed your name
[10:16] <humphreybc> !rev
[10:16] <manualbot> Factoid 'rev' not found
[10:16] <humphreybc> !rev 499
[10:16] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/499 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 499
[10:16] <manualbot> Factoid 'rev 499' not found
[10:17] <humphreybc> only one revision away from 500! :O
[10:25] <reventon_> hi folks
[10:25] <reventon_> who do I talk to about joining the project?
[10:40] <nisshh> hey dude
[10:40] <nisshh> you can join the team whenever you like
[10:40] <nisshh> its open
[10:40] <nisshh> if you have any questions: fire away
[10:48] <reventon_> well what do you guys need help with right now
[10:48] <reventon_> like what's pressing
[10:48] <reventon_> i'm good for editing or writing, i'm good with latex
[10:50] <nisshh> ah if your a latex guy you should talk to godbyk, maybe you can help him out and also do some writing
[10:50] <nisshh> gobyk: i found a latex guy for you
[10:51] <reventon_> lol i'm no guru, i just don't have a problem working with it
[10:52] <nisshh> ah ok, let me have a look at what needs some work
[10:53] <nisshh> ok doke, first of all have you visited our wiki page?
[10:53] <nisshh> here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[10:54] <reventon_> yes
[10:54] <reventon_> i've also downloaded the latest branch through bazaar
[10:55] <nisshh> ah good your ahead of me
[10:55] <nisshh> ok have you joined the team yet?
[10:55] <reventon_> negativ
[10:55] <reventon_> e
[10:56] <nisshh> ok well you dont have to but if you do you can subscribe to our mailing list which you can aslo then post on
[10:57] <nisshh> here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual
[10:57] <nisshh> it appears that one of the chapters needs an editor
[10:57] <nisshh> are you game?
[10:58] <reventon_> sure
[10:58] <nisshh> ok dude just add yourself to the team and ill just need your full name so i can add it to the wiki
[10:58] <reventon_> JJ Laxton
[10:58] <nisshh> cool
[10:59] <reventon_> ok so i've subscribed
[11:00] <nisshh> so iv put you as editor of the security chapter
[11:00] <reventon_> right on
[11:01] <nisshh> now i believe that chapter is mostly complete for lucid release but as a first thing probably just grammer and error check it
[11:01] <reventon_> ok cool
[11:01] <nisshh> and i can also show you how to compile the manual too if you like
[11:02] <nisshh> by compile i mean into a .pdf document
[11:02] <reventon_> sure
[11:02] <nisshh> ok, do you know how to use bzr?
[11:02] <reventon_> negative
[11:03] <reventon_> i mean, i followed the wiki instructions
[11:03] <nisshh> ah ok, so you dont know how bzr works at all?
[11:03] <nisshh> oh ok
[11:03] <reventon_> well i've picked up on a bit
[11:03] <nisshh> ok if you need any help just give me a yell
[11:03] <nisshh> on here
[11:04] <reventon_> so to compile, is it more than just 'latex main.tex'?
[11:04] <ubuntujenkins> just make sure before you do 'bzr commit -m "What you have changed"' do 'bzr pull lp:ubuntu-manual' that way you don't break the branch
[11:05] <reventon_> ok no problem
[11:05] <ubuntujenkins> to compile run "make"
[11:05] <ubuntujenkins> when in the ubuntu-manual directory
[11:05] <nisshh> thanks ubuntujenkins
[11:05] <nisshh> forgot to mention that
[11:06] <ubuntujenkins> no problem nisshh
[11:06] <reventon_> apparently the Makefile is empty
[11:06] <nisshh> huh?
[11:06] <reventon_> nevermind
[11:06] <reventon_> too many windows open
[11:07] <nisshh> lol
[11:10] <reventon_> so nisshh have you been working on this since the beginning?
[11:17] <reventon_> also, is there a list of packages required to compile?
[11:17] <reventon_> i'm dealing with a new install
[11:18] <ubuntujenkins> reventon_: gjust looking for the page
[11:18] <reventon_> thanks
[11:18] <ubuntujenkins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Help#How to use LaTeX
[11:19] <ubuntujenkins> nope
[11:19] <ubuntujenkins> "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Help#How to use LaTeX"
[11:19] <ubuntujenkins> copy and paste the whole thing the link has gaps in it
[11:21] <ubuntujenkins> reventon_: the download is about 2gb just so you know
[11:23] <reventon_> yeah i'm writing a research paper right now in latex, i'm always amazed how it can be so huge
[11:23] <ubuntujenkins> cool that script will download and install all you should need for the project
[11:24] <reventon_> so who started the ubuntu-manual project
[11:24] <reventon_> was it a canonical initiative?
[11:25] <ubuntujenkins> it was started by Benjamin Humphrey (humphrybc)
[11:46] <nisshh> reventon_: sorry i was doing other things and wasnt paying attention
[11:46] <reventon_> no worries
[11:47] <nisshh> well humphreybc posted his idea on the ubuntu forums and i was one of the first to jump on board
[11:47] <nisshh> back in i think october last year
[11:47] <nisshh> or november i cant quite remember
[11:48] <nisshh> how long have you been an ubuntu user?
[11:49] <reventon_> i've been on and off ubuntu for a while, since 7.04
[11:49] <nisshh> ok, longer than me iv been around since 8.10
[11:49] <reventon_> but used to be a big gentoo user
[11:49] <nisshh> yea ok
[11:49] <reventon_> started with linux around 2004 or so
[11:49] <nisshh> kk
[11:50] <nisshh> you tried 10.04?
[11:50] <reventon_> yeah that's what i'm using now
[11:51] <nisshh> meh ok im downloading it right now
[11:51] <nisshh> humphreybc conviced  me today to always use the latest dev release
[11:51] <reventon_> i think they could've done better with the new theme
[11:52] <nisshh> same
[11:52] <nisshh> the colors are nice
[11:52] <nisshh> but the layout is terrible
[11:52] <reventon_> i don't care about the button placement, i just think they should get rid of that bad gradient behind them
[11:53] <nisshh> i agree that way it doesnt break when you decide you want them in a different position and order
[11:54] <komsas> guys, I upgarded today to 10.04 and now GNOME is so fast.. light speed :))
[11:54] <reventon_> i think ubuntu in general has a big problem looking professional, but unfortunately its ultimately a gtk issue
[11:54] <nisshh> komsas: yea im about to install it
[11:55] <nisshh> what do you mean by gtk issue, too clunky or something?
[11:56] <reventon_> yeah, the buttons are all big with weird padding
[11:57] <daker> hi @all
[11:57] <reventon_> don't get me wrong, i much prefer gnome to kde
[12:03] <nisshh> yea right
[12:03] <nisshh> ok
[12:03] <nisshh> hey daker
[12:05] <daker> :)
[12:42] <nisshh> cya later
[13:34] <daker> TommyBrunn, !!!
[13:35] <TommyBrunn> Hello daker
[13:35] <daker> how r u ?
[13:36] <TommyBrunn> I'm alright. A little frustrated, because I can't get a piece of code to do what i want it to, but other than that, I'm fine.
[13:36] <daker> fine
[13:36] <daker> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/daker/
[13:38] <TommyBrunn> Is that button a single image?
[13:38] <daker> no
[13:39] <TommyBrunn> So the text can be changed and translated easily, then?
[13:39] <daker> yep
[13:39] <TommyBrunn> Nice!
[13:39] <TommyBrunn> Good job.
[13:40] <daker> tanks you
[13:40] <TommyBrunn> Have you tested it in other browsers/resolutions?
[13:41] <daker> it was tested on chrome, opera
[13:41] <daker> FF and Arora
[13:42] <daker> for resolution 1024*768
[13:42] <TommyBrunn> Alright, that seems reasonable, although someone might want it to at least look acceptable in IE.
[13:43] <TommyBrunn> How did you get the nice drop shadow on the button text? Javascript?
[13:43] <daker> css
[13:43] <daker> <a href="?download/10.04/fr/no" class="large button orange">Download now<span class="version">(v10.04)</span></a>
[13:44] <daker> .button, .button:visited {
[13:44] <daker> 	background: #222 url(../images/overlay.png) repeat-x;
[13:44] <daker> 	display: inline-block;
[13:44] <daker> 	padding: 5px 10px 6px;
[13:44] <daker> 	color: #fff;
[13:44] <daker> 	text-decoration: none;
[13:44] <daker> 	-moz-border-radius: 6px;
[13:44] <daker> 	-webkit-border-radius: 6px;
[13:44] <daker> 	-moz-box-shadow: 0 1px 3px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);
[13:44] <daker> 	-webkit-box-shadow: 0 1px 3px rgba(0,0,0,0.6);
[13:45] <daker> 	text-shadow: 0 -1px 1px rgba(0,0,0,0.25);
[13:45] <daker> 	position: relative;
[13:45] <daker> 	cursor: pointer;
[13:45] <daker> 	text-align:center;
[13:45] <daker> }
[13:45] <daker> .button:hover	{ background-color: #111; color: #fff; }
[13:45] <daker> .button:active	{ top: 1px; }
[13:45] <daker> .large.button, .large.button:visited {
[13:45] <daker> 	font-size: 25px;
[13:45] <daker>     padding: 8px 14px 9px;
[13:45] <TommyBrunn> Oh, I see. CSS3 stuff. Well I guess that's alright. It'll still look fine even if you don't have a CSS3-enabled browser.
[13:45] <daker>     width:250px; height:30px;
[13:45] <daker> }
[13:45] <daker> .orange.button, .orange.button:visited		{ background-color: #FB8B00; }
[13:45] <daker> .orange.button:focus						{ background-color: #F44800; }
[13:46] <daker> yep
[13:46] <daker> i have to prepare the pot file for translations
[13:47] <TommyBrunn> The list of features should probably be a list of a definition list, though, rather than a bunch of paragraphs.
[13:47] <TommyBrunn> *or
[13:49] <daker> how ?
[13:52] <TommyBrunn> daker: like so:http://paste.ubuntu.com/395624/
[13:53] <daker> oki
[13:54] <daker> where can i upload the pot file ?
[13:56] <TommyBrunn> I don't know. You'll have to talk to someone who knows about those things.
[13:57] <TommyBrunn> Who that is, I don't know.
[14:00] <daker> yesterday i have create a page for the project in lp
[14:01] <daker> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website
[14:07] <daker> what do you think ?
[14:09] <TommyBrunn> Sure. That way we could purge all the website stuff from the ubuntu-manual branch.
[14:09] <TommyBrunn> But again, you should probably talk to someone who knows about that stuff.
[14:11] <daker> who ? :)
[15:01] <daker> TommyBrunn, !
[15:01] <TommyBrunn> Hello again
[15:02] <daker> hi
[15:02] <daker> someone has written this
[15:02] <daker> Wording on site needs to be modified and edited to be awesome
[15:02] <daker> what wording ?
[15:03] <daker> here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/aA6ygCXL9F
[15:03] <daker> in the website section
[15:04] <TommyBrunn> They just mean the text has to be rewritten. As I understand it, the text that's currently there is pretty much just placeholder text.
[15:05] <daker> oki
[17:15] <ubuntujenkins> how are we all doing then?
[17:24] <daker> fine ubuntujenkins
[17:26] <ubuntujenkins> good good daker
[18:17]  * ubuntujenkins starts to try and finish my manual writing work
[18:18] <ubuntujenkins> we are on revision 500
[18:19] <daker> yeah \m/
[19:37] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> I set grub to a zero second time out I could set it back to a 3 second but is there a button i can press to show grub when booting?
[20:10] <ubuntujenkins> hello titeuf_87 how are you?
[20:11] <titeuf_87> Hey ubuntujenkins! Pretty good, thanks. And you?
[20:12] <ubuntujenkins> yea I am good. Is your branch for quickshot in a position to be merged with main?
[20:12] <titeuf_87> It should be
[20:12] <titeuf_87> reading the log now that got posted on the mailing list
[20:13] <ubuntujenkins> I have some ui work to do after the conversation with kevin and would like to cause as few errors as possible.
[20:14] <titeuf_87> two conflicts when I merge the main branch into mine, let me fix them so you can easily add it back to main
[20:14] <ubuntujenkins> you can add it to main if you like
[20:14] <titeuf_87> oh, that works too! Going to do that right now then
[20:15] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks it means i cna do some ui work does that mean that main can upload screenshots as well now?
[20:16] <titeuf_87> if nothing broke, yes
[20:16] <titeuf_87> what is the time frame on this by the way?
[20:16] <ubuntujenkins> needs to be done idealy by.....
[20:18] <ubuntujenkins> 21st - 31st of march. on the 21st we shouldhave the final screenshots list
[20:19] <titeuf_87> ah super, I work better when there are deadlines :)
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> the sonner the better
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> *sooner
[20:24]  * ubuntujenkins shouts at brasero
[20:30] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, I pushed my changes in, from a quick test it still works
[20:30] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks titeuf_87 i will give it a test
[20:32] <ubuntujenkins> brb off to the quickshot user
[20:33] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, for quick testing you don't have to
[20:33] <titeuf_87> you can "su quickshot -" to log in a terminal as that user and run quickshot from there. If you run it with "quickly run -n" it also will skip the changing of the resolution
[20:35] <ubuntujenkins> nice I will do that next time
[20:35] <ubuntujenkins> I how does the user tell if the screenshot is taken?
[20:36] <titeuf_87> there's a countdown after which the screenshot is being taken and then uploaded. But it doesn't show it yet to the user. Plus the uploading blocks the ui, which is not that nice
[20:37] <ubuntujenkins> cool that sounds good also  can we add the screenshots so far for chapter 1 to use as testing. Would it be possible to change the language codes to their full names?
[20:37] <titeuf_87> also if the uploading fails for whatever reason then the user is stuck as the quickshot window's not visible then
[20:38] <ubuntujenkins> thats not so good. does it check to see if the user is on the internet?
[20:38] <titeuf_87> Should be possible, I'll have to find out how. Right now it shows only the languages you have installed on your system
[20:39] <ubuntujenkins> are I have evrey language pack there is thats why the list apeard so long
[20:39] <titeuf_87> sweet, then sounds like that bit works :)
[20:40] <ubuntujenkins> I had no clue which was which
[20:41] <titeuf_87> it's a two-letter code for every language right?
[20:41] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[20:42] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil I know we have had this discussion in many meetings but what resloution for the screenshots would be best in the opinion of the artwork team?
[20:43] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: native resolution
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> I like 1024x768
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> but whats native? surley each user is different
[20:44] <thorwil> i thought it was planned to use 800x600 with quickshot?
[20:44] <godbyk> I think we decided to go with 800x600.
[20:44] <ubuntujenkins> It is like that at the moment I didn't know if that was final or not
[20:44] <godbyk> Since it will be scaled to fit in the PDF (and evince does a lousy job at displaying the scaled graphics).
[20:45] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: to check if a user exists, you should either parse the passwd file, or better, use the 'id' command and check the exit status.
[20:46] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: also, you should avoid hard-coding /home as the location of the users' home directories.  on many systems the home directories have different paths.
[20:46] <ubuntujenkins> this is open office impress in 800x600 http://imagebin.org/88978
[20:46] <godbyk> heh.. nice.
[20:47] <ubuntujenkins> I think i did use the passwd file to check if the user exists
[20:48] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: well, you just checked to see if the string 'quickshot' existed in the passwd file.  but that's not a good way to go.  you need to read each line of the file, check the first column (from beginning of line to the first colon) and see if that matches 'quickshot'.
[20:48] <ubuntujenkins> Ok I think i can do that.
[20:49]  * ubuntujenkins adds it to the todo list
[20:49] <godbyk> but the passwd file is a bad way to go in general, because it's not guaranteed to have the users on it.
[20:49] <godbyk> for instance, when I log into a machine on campus, its local /etc/passwd file doesn't know about me and doesn't have my username listed.
[20:49] <godbyk> Running 'id godbyk' still works, though.
[20:49] <ubuntujenkins> ok i see your point
[20:50] <ubuntujenkins> I will play with the id command later this week
[20:50] <godbyk> it's pretty simple. :)
[20:51] <ubuntujenkins> I am not convinced on the resolution size as the screenshots are going to look very much unlike the users actual computer
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> how do I add a screenshot to the manual godbyk?
[20:52] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I haven't written the commands for that yet.
[20:53] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool np
[20:53] <godbyk> I'll work on that today.
[20:53] <ubuntujenkins> no rush I have loads of other things to do
[20:59] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: the 800x600 happened without my input
[21:00] <godbyk> I don't particularly care, but I'm not the one obsessed over the size of the file, how many screenshots there are, how many pages it is, etc. :-)
[21:00] <thorwil> i think i said 1024x768 would be the minimum, below it gets hard to even get content areas in certain apps
[21:00] <ubuntujenkins> I am not sure what is better. I think 1024x768 is the largest most laptops support
[21:01] <godbyk> Also, since I've rebased the ubuntu-manual document class on the tufte-book document class, we can easily have the screenshots stretch across the main text block and the side notes area.
[21:01] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: if you take some screenshots at 1024x768 and send them to me, I'll pop 'em into the manual and see how they look.
[21:02] <godbyk> grab a few screenshots that have placeholders in the manual.
[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> ok I will do a few now godbyk
[21:02]  * ubuntujenkins off to quickshot user
[21:02] <godbyk> also, try to grab some that are cropped appropriately (just the window or just the area that we want the screenshot of).
[21:02] <godbyk> then I can set up commands to handle those cases.
[21:03] <godbyk> until then, I'm going to go find something for lunch.  be back in a few minutes.
[21:03] <ubuntujenkins> I will try and do some
[21:16] <ubuntujenkins> who is writing the around the desktop section?
[21:22] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'm not sure. If you look at the blueprint in launchpad for that chapter, it should say, though.
[21:22] <ubuntujenkins> how do i get out of bzr lock?
[21:25] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, what's the message/error you get?
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> make
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> bzr version-info --custom --template="Revision number: {revno}\qquad Revision date: {date}\n\n" > revision.tex
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "/home/luke-jennings/Projects/ubuntu-manual/.bzr/checkout/dirstate": [Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> make: *** [main.pdf] Error 3
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> luke-jennings@luke-laptop:~/Projects
[21:26] <ubuntujenkins> or
[21:26] <ubuntujenkins> bzr commit
[21:26] <ubuntujenkins> bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "/home/luke-jennings/Projects/ubuntu-manual/.bzr/checkout/dirstate": [Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable
[21:28] <titeuf_87> hmm, not sure. I had a similar problem but it was access denied when I accidentally tried to use bzr as another user
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> thanks I will ask in #bzr
[21:30] <titeuf_87> a quick google on the error doesn't immediately show up something either
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> meh thanks for trying I re get the branch and add the files in again
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: e-mail sent
[21:38] <godbyk> k
[21:51] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[22:33] <ubuntujenkins> night all o/