[09:09] <Guest79195> hey ubunteros
[17:00] <kees> mdeslaur: quick meeting?
[17:00] <mdeslaur> yep!
[17:00] <mdeslaur> good morning kees!
[17:00] <kees> morning!  :)
[17:00] <jjohansen> morning
[17:00] <kees> heya jjohansen
[17:00] <mdeslaur> hi jjohansen
[17:01] <kees> okay, this week will see a kernel security publication.  builds went fine over the weekend.
[17:01] <mdeslaur> cool
[17:01] <mdeslaur> just in time for the next one :)
[17:01] <kees> after that, there are a few embargoed things to do this week.
[17:01] <kees> I got a bit behind on community bits while racing the beta freeze
[17:02] <mdeslaur> yeah, I'll handle the community stuff this week
[17:02] <kees> beyond that, nothing jumps out at me.
[17:02] <mdeslaur> there's quite a few thingies
[17:02] <mdeslaur> I'm working on libpng and will probably look at samba too
[17:04] <mdeslaur> that's about it from me
[17:04] <kees> jjohansen: got anything?
[17:05] <kees> anyone else have stuff for the security team?
[17:05] <jjohansen> not really, we need to sit down and setup security tests for EC2 sometime but that isn't urgent
[17:06] <kees> jjohansen: ah yeah.  just let me know when you've got an instance up, and we can poke around at it.  maybe get kirkland to help us with the screen/account sharing
[17:06] <kees> alrighty then.  thanks everyone, meeting done.  :)
[17:06] <jjohansen> woot, short and sweet
[17:06] <kirkland> jjohansen: kees: happy to help
[17:07] <jjohansen> kirkland: thanks
[21:08] <Claudinux> hi
[22:56] <doctormo> hey gang
[22:58]  * pleia2 waves
[22:58] <Pendulum> hi pleia2, doctormo
[23:00] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo
[23:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[23:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:00. The chair is pleia2.
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[23:00] <ZachK_> Yo hommiea
[23:00] <pleia2> ok folks, welcome to the Ubuntu Community Learning Project meeting :)
[23:00] <pleia2> our agenda is up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[23:00]  * doctormo waves
[23:01] <pleia2> we'll give people a couple minutes to arrive, first item on the agenda is nigelb's and it doesn't look like he's around yet
[23:01] <Vantrax> huzzah
[23:01]  * cprofitt reads the agenda
[23:01] <bodhi_zazen> Why do we not skip to #2 then ?
[23:02] <pleia2> well, it looks like the whole board is here so we can just start with #2
[23:02] <cprofitt> just tried to raise nigel in UBT channel
[23:02] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Team Structure
[23:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team Structure
[23:03] <doctormo> pleia2: you or I?
[23:03] <pleia2> doctormo: you touched base with everyone, so I think you should
[23:03] <humphreybc> hi
[23:03] <doctormo> OK, so we've been having a go at the learning/educational problem for ubuntu for about a year
[23:04] <humphreybc> hope i be not too late
[23:04] <doctormo> We set up a board which encompassed the primary go getters of the project's inception.
[23:04] <pleia2> humphreybc: just getting started :)
[23:04] <doctormo> In time we found that each of our goals and directions was different, complimentary, but differing.
[23:04] <humphreybc> groovy
[23:05] <doctormo> This lead to misunderstandings, the project moving in multiple directions and in the end a demoralising effect.
[23:05] <Vantrax> yep
[23:05] <doctormo> We want to fix this problem, and at it's core is this multiple goal problem.
[23:06] <humphreybc> sure
[23:06] <ZachK_> doctormo: Sounds like you need a common goal
[23:06] <Vantrax> ZachK_, hes getting to that
[23:06] <doctormo> The proposition is this: That the UCLP project move from being a project and into being a social hub. From here we have our 3 main projects.
[23:06] <humphreybc> ZachK_: I think they have a common goal, but differing ways of reaching it
[23:07] <Vantrax> those projects are defined as?
[23:07] <doctormo> Each project should be lead and directed by the people most keen on that area, in a way and with rules that are suitable for that project.
[23:07] <Vantrax> with some sort of commonality and oversight?
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> social hub , lol, no offense, but it made me laugh
[23:08] <ZachK_> Agreed bodhi_zazen
[23:08] <doctormo> 1. Materials for Educational establishments, published in the most compelling way for schools to adopt.
[23:08] <doctormo> 2. Course materials, the writing of new material, lesson plans.
[23:09] <Vantrax> Social hub might be the wrong term, but it is not a bad idea
[23:09] <doctormo> 3. The organisation of teaching in the ubuntu community it's self, IRC, LoCo physical classrooms etc
[23:09] <Vantrax> strike that, probably is the wrong idea
[23:09] <humphreybc> I think what Martin means is to move away from the board idea
[23:09] <doctormo> Vantrax: There would be no oversight, these projects would be seperate, the leadership would be accountable to their contributors only.
[23:09] <humphreybc> boards, when they don't work, are as productive as a cow turd in a paddock
[23:09] <cprofitt> 0/
[23:10] <Vantrax> humphreybc, they work well for lighting fires tho
[23:10] <pleia2> "Learning" would be a hub were people can come to seek out these materials and get in touch with each of them
[23:10] <cprofitt> so we have three sep. projects... under an umbrella idea of UCLP?
[23:10] <pleia2> cprofitt: *nod*
[23:10] <cprofitt> each 'project' would have its own leadership
[23:10] <cprofitt> and own members
[23:10] <cprofitt> ?
[23:10] <doctormo> Yes
[23:10] <doctormo> Of course nothing is to stop people being members of all
[23:11] <doctormo> But the project's rules can be different
[23:11] <doctormo> For example
[23:11] <doctormo> The conflict over licensing
[23:11] <cprofitt> As far as resources... this might be an issue... or not...
[23:11] <doctormo> The contributors project (2) needs to have strict licensing.
[23:11] <ZachK_> What about documentation?
[23:11] <doctormo> but the publishing project (1) and the events project (3) need not be so strict.
[23:12] <pleia2> ZachK_: the project is about course development, the ubuntu-docs team is for straight documentation
[23:12] <cprofitt> would both the teaching and the edu team need their own Moodle servers if they planned to use Moodle or would they still share one?
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> Which project would use Moodle ?
[23:12] <doctormo> cprofitt: Volunteers aren't resources, they'll come to the thing they're most interested in or where they see a need, I see no difference in this.
[23:12] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: 1
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> in terms of contributing to courses and admin a moodle site
[23:12] <cprofitt> doctormo: not talking about 'people' -- the Moodle server.
[23:12] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: 1. is more likely to use moodle, 3 could possibly.
[23:13] <doctormo> cprofitt: I'm sure moodle servers can be set up, we have multiple sysadmins, if ever it became an issue.
[23:13] <cprofitt> in our original view Moodle courses were going to be for both Asychronous and Sychronous courses
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> I do not mean use moodle from a user perspective
[23:13] <cprofitt> so a Moodle course might also have an IRC component...
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> I mean course content and organization
[23:13] <nigelb> \0
[23:13] <cprofitt> and an IRC course may have a Moodle component
[23:13] <doctormo> Of course any of the project's can do their own writing, can get their source material from anywhere.
[23:13] <cprofitt> that is why I was asking about the Moodle server
[23:14] <ZachK_> nigelb: Is here!
[23:14]  * pleia2 nods at doctormo 
[23:14] <pleia2> so the projects will certainly collaborate a lot
[23:15] <doctormo> So, it's likely that we'd fall into our perspective projects and be able to focus on them full throttle without having to throttle someone going somewhere else.
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> A server != Moodle, on a server one can use any number of methods, moodle is, IMO, a specific method of content presentation, I do not think were are talking sys admin of apache here , lol
[23:15] <cprofitt> would the 3. team share the moodle server with the 1. team?
[23:15] <pleia2> cprofitt: if they want, if they're unwilling or unable 3 could have the option of hosting one too
[23:15] <doctormo> cprofitt: That's up to 3 and 1 projects to discuss and come to arangements about.
[23:16] <doctormo> cprofitt: although I stress that no project is bound to any tech if they don't want to use it.
[23:16] <cprofitt> so we gain some autonomy... but could (key word could) lose some cooperation
[23:16] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: assuming #1 has a moodle server, it's up to them to decide who has duties like being the sysadmin
[23:16] <doctormo> It's the leadership that is responsibile for defning that.
[23:16] <cprofitt> I would not want anyone to be bound to anything
[23:16] <bodhi_zazen> I think it is a good idea to split off those who wish to run Moodle from the rest
[23:17] <doctormo> cprofitt: We would gain autonomy and I think we have pathways which can bind our cooperation.
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> this does not, as doctormo says, mean we can not work together
[23:17] <cprofitt> one of the things that happened with UCLP is that when the UFBT (not the UBT) started developing this idea in the EDU Focus Group we saw Moodle as the primary vehicle... which as you said has changed...
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> but moodle is a very specific platform, imo, with unique requirements that do not always meet the broader goals
[23:18] <cprofitt> I just want to ensure that each group has the resources to do what they need
[23:18] <pleia2> cprofitt: it was never my intention as part of UBFT EDU focus group to use moodle, I was always interested in -classroom and loco
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> for example a moodle project does not need to mandate ascii docs or bzr
[23:18] <cprofitt> I agree that with what the UCLP developed in to that Moodle did not meet broader goals
[23:18] <doctormo> Oh humphreybc above, he's here from the Ubuntu Manual team, wants to learn and collaborate some more.
[23:18] <pleia2> so it hasn't "changed" - we all started with differing goals
[23:18] <humphreybc> hi everyone :)
[23:19] <cprofitt> pleia2: It was the initial intention of the UFBT EDU FG to use Moodle
[23:19] <humphreybc> how are you guys going for material?
[23:19] <cprofitt> I know... because the EDU FG was me... and later Vantrax and I
[23:19] <pleia2> cprofitt: ah, it had moved on from there by the time I joinde :)
[23:19] <cprofitt> but as you said you had a different intent
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> I agree with cprofitt
[23:19] <doctormo> humphreybc: We can get to that after the org stuff
[23:19] <cprofitt> as did Doctormo
[23:19] <humphreybc> righteo
[23:19] <pleia2> I joined EDU via -classroom
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> the goals of this team were eatablished by the UBT, EDU FG
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> Other people joined the project with different goals and took the project away from the original set of goals
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> IMO at leasta
[23:20] <cprofitt> ... so to be clear we would be splitting off the groups we originally brought together
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> *least
[23:20] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: so would you see #1 as "Moodle" ?
[23:20] <doctormo> Aye, I agree bodhi_zazen
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> I see Moodle as a separate project, call it what you will
[23:20] <cprofitt> in the interest of serving the community better...
[23:20] <pleia2> I was invited to EDU with my classroom work, I think it's a bit unfair to say that I "took the project away"
[23:21] <cprofitt> and instead of having a tight integration it would be more loose.
[23:21] <doctormo> cprofitt: We'd be making autonomous the leadership, disolving the board and basically making UCLP an umbrella.
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> but working on a moodle server has not been the priority of the UCLP
[23:21]  * cprofitt nods doctormo 
[23:21] <pleia2> regardless, would we agree that having one section devoted to "Moodle" is appropriate?
[23:21] <cprofitt> I can see that.
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> the UCLP is interested in implementing such material, and others, to set up actual classrooms, which is related, but also different
[23:21] <pleia2> maybe have the original old UBT crew run that? ( cprofitt, Vantrax and bodhi_zazen )
[23:21] <doctormo> pleia2: That's really up to the leaders of that project I think.
[23:21] <cprofitt> pleia2: I think a dedication to Moodle (or some other LMS) would be most appropriate
[23:22] <cprofitt> I hesitate to lock us in to Moodle forever, but a great deal of time and testing was put in to choose Moodle
[23:22] <Vantrax> I think the idea was, and still is, to have efforts to educate users about Ubuntu to have a common point
[23:22] <cprofitt> so in a broad sense I think the titles you originally chose are acceptable...
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> There are other similar platforms to moodle, and we are not stuck on that specific platform ...
[23:22] <pleia2> ok, so a group devoted to delivering course material in a format for educational institutes, for which right now the vest vehicle is Moodle
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> but the general concept ...
[23:23] <pleia2> s/vest/best
[23:23] <doctormo> So UCLP can retain some broad goals (sort of like the UN) and the projects have their narrow focus that they can run with.
[23:23] <cprofitt> 1. = Asychronous education with a focus towards methods used by traditional educational institutions including virtual K-12 and higher ed
[23:23] <pleia2> cprofitt: +1
[23:23] <Vantrax> We do need come commonality in the way things are done, else it becomes confusing, especially for a new user looking for help and information
[23:23] <doctormo> Vantrax: Educating ubuntu users, that's project 3.
[23:23] <cprofitt> doctormo: I think 3. is not juse educating Ubuntu users
[23:23] <Vantrax> doctormo, how is it just 3?
[23:24] <cprofitt> or there will be a cross between 1 and 3
[23:24] <pleia2> there is some cross between 1 and 3
[23:24] <cprofitt> it is more a focus on sychronous learning environments
[23:24] <doctormo> Vantrax: Well 2. isn't likely to interact with users directly.
[23:24] <Vantrax> no, but that is still the focus of it
[23:24] <cprofitt> 3 would be in-person or IRC type sychronouse education efforts
[23:24] <Vantrax> that is the goal, the reason for producing the content
[23:24] <cprofitt> ... to sum up if I can
[23:24] <cprofitt> feel free to tear down
[23:24] <bodhi_zazen> The teams as proposed will need to work together in some extent, and using this channel or others to coordinate would be fantastic
[23:24] <cprofitt> after
[23:24] <pleia2> cprofitt: please go ahead
[23:24] <Vantrax> this distinction is largely academic, and all at the back end.
[23:24] <doctormo> Vantrax: Not quite, it may be the reason of some contributors to write, but the writing is a goal unto it's self.
[23:25] <cprofitt> 1.  = Asynchronous
[23:25] <cprofitt> 3. = Synchronous
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> for example, if a course if developed for -classroom, they may want to use the content on the moodle server, or not
[23:25] <cprofitt> 2. = overall documentation and tools on how to produce courses
[23:25] <cprofitt> yes?
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> and they may have content to add to the moodle server, or not
[23:25] <doctormo> cprofitt: yes
[23:25] <pleia2> cprofitt: yep!
[23:26] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: Yes, and the moodle server can take material from multiple sources.
[23:26] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: Since I can forsee that course material writing won't focus on applications.
[23:26] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: and I agree entirely, we'll work together a lot, the separate is exclusively to have several strong teams with clear goals, rather than one weak one fighting over primary goals
[23:26] <bodhi_zazen> I would support that, as I feel a moodle server takes a fair amount of attention
[23:26] <Vantrax> the key is to coordinate those three projects so they appear transparently to someone who puts in a live CD and wants information
[23:27] <pleia2> Vantrax: right, which is why "Learning" as an umbrella will still exist
[23:27] <bodhi_zazen> In an ideal world, let us imaging doctormo wants to run a course on Apache admin ...
[23:27] <bodhi_zazen> He may start with wiki and moodle server
[23:27] <Vantrax> and the point of learn.ubuntu.com
[23:27] <bodhi_zazen> and may use existing docs
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> or he may make his own and contribute back in a format to either wiki or moodle
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> something like that ?
[23:28] <pleia2> well, probably s/wiki/bzr+asciidoc
[23:28] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: Yes
[23:28] <pleia2> but yes
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> The moodle folks can then decide if they can or want to add an apache course, and hopefully they would
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> so ...
[23:29] <doctormo> Vantrax: I think learn.ubuntu.com would be a good place to put user facing, community courses, with large buttons to 'contribute to writing' and 'educational institutions go here'
[23:29] <doctormo> But that's totally up for debate.
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> Next time pleia2 wants to -classroom apache she will not potentially find most of the work done and go from there ?
[23:29] <Vantrax> that would be what I would think
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> s/not/now
[23:30] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: yep
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[23:30] <cprofitt> so... what becomes of learn.ubuntu.com?
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> I think splitting makes the most sense
[23:30] <pleia2> cprofitt: I agree with doctormo's plan
[23:30] <cprofitt> is it a shared site... or controlled by 1 or 3
[23:30] <pleia2> shared site pointing to different sections of the project
[23:31] <cprofitt> k
[23:31] <Vantrax> I dont think it s a split as much as having focus groups working on specific projects as part of a broader effort
[23:31] <cprofitt> what address would we give the LMS?
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> No, it is a split
[23:31] <Vantrax> cprofitt, learn.ubuntu.com
[23:31] <pleia2> Vantrax: it's a split because the council will dissolve
[23:31] <pleia2> no oversight between teams
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> a split in leadership and specific teams
[23:31] <cprofitt> Vantrax: with the exception that there is no leadership above the projects
[23:31] <Vantrax> true
[23:31] <cprofitt> each project would be its own
[23:32] <cprofitt> so the LMS would be at learn.ubuntu.com - confirm pleia2, doctormo, bodhi_zazen
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> LMS ?
[23:32] <Vantrax> learning management system
[23:32] <Vantrax> ie moodle
[23:32] <Vantrax> or one of a half dozen others
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> IMO we should make a front page w/ links to resouces
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> so moodle would be at
[23:32] <doctormo> Vantrax: I think that course writing has no claim on the domain.
[23:33] <pleia2> cprofitt: no, learn.ubuntu.com would probably be a static page saying "click here for moodle" "click here to develop courses" etc
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> learn.ubuntu.com/moodle
[23:33] <pleia2> "click here to teach your loco members! :)
[23:33] <pleia2> etc
[23:33] <doctormo> But a contribute to writing link would be most welcome.
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> People could have learn.ubuntu.com/foo or they could have independent servers, such as wiki, which we would then linky to
[23:33] <cprofitt> do we have to get approval again for the domain from Canonical since the concept has changed?
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> or irc / forums for support questions
[23:34] <pleia2> cprofitt: canonical has not actually given us the domain yet, we still have to go through an approval process
[23:34] <doctormo> cprofitt: possible.
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> no, we need to present a working project to Canonical for final approval
[23:34] <cprofitt> it sounds like learn.ubuntu.com may not even be needed -- the wiki can serve as a sign post
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> when we are ready they will review the project
[23:35] <doctormo> I think one of the projects should go after the domain and the others simply get good linking from the front page. That way the approval process doesn't need a central gov.
[23:35] <Vantrax> cprofitt, the idea was to use learn.ubuntu as its a big signpost that is easy to find, and linked from the front page of the Ubuntu.com site
[23:35] <cprofitt> Vantrax: ok
[23:35] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, would probably make sense for the moodle people to have it, since they'll have need for a webserver anyway
[23:35] <cprofitt> I know when discussed with dinda in the past it was the Moodle site
[23:35] <humphreybc> learn.ubuntu.com is good
[23:35] <pleia2> but the front page must reference everyone :)
[23:35] <cprofitt> but in the end it does not matter
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> IMO a front page would be best, it is most flexible
[23:35] <Vantrax> and the idea pitched for that was to use it as a online learning portal for people learning to use ubuntu.
[23:36] <cprofitt> in general I think a front page controlled by Canonical with links makes the most sense
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> It is trivial to update a index.html or index.php
[23:36] <doctormo> OK pleia2, would you like to put in a deccission for the meeting?
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> harder to customize moodle
[23:36] <doctormo> So we can talk more about the intreseting implications. :-D
[23:36] <cprofitt> it allows for each project to control their server and not deal with what, I have heard, is a sometimes slow process to have Canonical make changes
[23:36] <Vantrax> bodhi_zazen, moodle is index.php:P
[23:36] <pleia2> ok, shall we vote to split?
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> yes =)
[23:36] <doctormo> one last vote for the road.
[23:37]  * cprofitt motions to vote on dissalution of the board and UCLP
[23:37] <Vantrax> id rather not have canonical run the learn.ubuntu.com page
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> but that does not mean it is easy to re write the moodle front page, lol
[23:37] <pleia2> [VOTE] Dissolve board and split the team into Asynchronous, Synchronous and overall documentation and tools on how to produce courses Sections
[23:37] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Dissolve board and split the team into Asynchronous, Synchronous and overall documentation and tools on how to produce courses Sections.
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[23:37] <pleia2> +1
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> +1
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[23:37] <cprofitt> +1
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[23:37] <doctormo> +1
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[23:37] <Vantrax> +1
[23:38] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[23:38] <pleia2> [endvote]
[23:38] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[23:38] <pleia2> hooray :)
[23:38] <humphreybc> well, that was nice
[23:38] <doctormo> OK, time to move the code branches to a new owner... ->
[23:38] <pleia2> we can worry about the domain later
[23:38] <pleia2> do we need to talk at all right now about who is leading up which of these new sections?
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: and cprofitt either of you two interested in discussing a moodle project ?
[23:38] <cprofitt> so we will delete the UCLP LP team or leave it?
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[23:38] <doctormo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning will have to be a signpost
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> delete it , IMO
[23:39] <doctormo> So we'll get the course writing stuff moved.
[23:39] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen: I think you, I and Vantrax (if he is interested) should discuss the Moodle site.
[23:39] <Vantrax> yep
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> We should set a time
[23:39] <cprofitt> that was our part of this baby to begin with...
[23:39] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Initial "split" delegation
[23:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Initial "split" delegation
[23:40] <pleia2> doctormo has primarily been in charge of course development, so I tihnk it goes without saying that he takes that
[23:40] <doctormo> It's pretty much obvious that I'll be SABD for course writing. Although I'm trying to come up with a catchy name.
[23:40] <Vantrax> yep
[23:40] <pleia2> (I'll be involved with that too, but I'm a vollower there :))
[23:40] <pleia2> follower, gah, typing
[23:40] <Vantrax> pleia2, you want to update dinda on how we are going to move forward?
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: what project are you taking ?
[23:40] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: I'll gather my Classroom troops for #3
[23:41] <Vantrax> so all the projects go back to how they were before we dragged em all in?
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> No, and yes
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> there should be better cooperation then there was B$
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> s/B$/B4
[23:42] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen: Vantrax: https://launchpad.net/ubuntueduproject
[23:42] <pleia2> [ACTION] Loose delegation: #1: bodhi_zazen, cprofitt, Vantrax; #2: doctormo; #3 pleia2
[23:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Loose delegation: #1: bodhi_zazen, cprofitt, Vantrax; #2: doctormo; #3 pleia2
[23:42] <cprofitt> that was a project I created a while back
[23:43] <pleia2> doctormo: I think nigelb's topic can be bumped into your project's court
[23:43] <doctormo> So this comes down to meetings
[23:43] <doctormo> We'll probably be organising our own project's meetings
[23:44] <cprofitt> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntueducators
[23:44] <cprofitt> Vantrax: bodhi_zazen: that is the team -- that has some educators in it already
[23:44] <Vantrax> cool
[23:45] <Vantrax> it was fun while it lasted, lets all get back to what we do best and try and work together better
[23:45] <pleia2> :)
[23:45] <_marx_> +1
[23:45] <pleia2> any other topics to discuss right now?
[23:45]  * cprofitt nods
[23:45] <cprofitt> no...
[23:45] <Vantrax> i hope that as classroom and the loco groups develop content it will filter upstream to the moodle site so we can format and add it
[23:46] <cprofitt> we are good thanks pleia2
[23:46] <humphreybc> well
[23:46] <Vantrax> so it can be used again
[23:46] <humphreybc> i'll ask again
[23:46] <humphreybc> how are you guys for material?
[23:46] <cprofitt> if anyone wishes to discuss some of the moodle (lms) issue please join ##ubuntu-edu
[23:46] <pleia2> humphreybc: for me it's a bit early to say
[23:46] <Vantrax> humphreybc, so who we talking to now
[23:47] <pleia2> I have a backlog of material from Ubuntu User Days
[23:47] <humphreybc> Vantrax: ?
[23:47] <humphreybc> well, the manual project has a truckload of material
[23:47] <Vantrax> humphreybc, materials for what, in context and purpose
[23:47] <doctormo> humphreybc: please come to #ubuntu-learning-courses if you want to talk abut writing collab.
[23:47] <humphreybc> Vantrax, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[23:48] <humphreybc> or, wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[23:48] <pleia2> ok, so I see the subchannels being:
[23:48] <Vantrax> I think there was always an intention to repackage/rewrite materials from the ubuntu manual for an online and interactive method of learning
[23:49] <humphreybc> well that's good
[23:49] <duanedesign> i was gonna ask about the irc channels :) ive just seen two mentioned and neither are the one i have used in the past for UCLP
[23:49] <duanedesign> will 1, 2, 3 each have a channel?
[23:49] <pleia2> #1 ##ubuntu-edu; #2 #ubuntu-learning-courses
[23:50] <pleia2> and #3 will probably be a mix
[23:50] <_marx_> downsteam: how to get this out to LoCo's
[23:50] <pleia2> -learning itself, #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[23:50] <duanedesign> thank you pleia2
[23:50] <pleia2> and wherever else we spread our magic :)
[23:50] <duanedesign> lol, nice
[23:50] <pleia2> ok, I'll wrap this up then
[23:50] <pleia2> thanks everyone :)
[23:51] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[23:51] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:51.
[23:51] <Vantrax> so long and thanks for all the fish
[23:57] <doctormo> Thanks guys!
[23:58] <humphreybc> i'm pimping my server
[23:58] <humphreybc> woops
[23:58] <humphreybc> that was the wrong convo :)