| * abogani waves | 10:50 | |
| abogani | Could anyone pinpoint me to meeting logs, please? | 10:50 |
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| abogani | ScottL, jussi01: ^ | 10:56 |
| persia | abogani: They are at least embedded in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/14/#ubuntustudio-devel.html | 10:58 |
| ScottL | abogani, persia, the meeting didn't happen as it was just me, rlamerio and quadrispro | 11:36 |
| ScottL | i am hoping to reschedule to include the two of you and stochastic (well, at least two of the three of you) | 11:37 |
| persia | That's a meeting, just one with low attendance :) | 11:37 |
| persia | Hard, since we're on three different corners of the world :) | 11:37 |
| persia | (and two of us have very odd hours) | 11:37 |
| ScottL | re: low attendance - i reall considered having the meeting to have them involved but there would have been very few answers to most of the questions asked | 11:38 |
| ScottL | i was going to wait a few days and see if I can get stochastic on line and ask him about his schedule, although I can also email him today as well, before trying to reschedule | 11:40 |
| jussi01 | persia: you are incredibly weird, we all know that :D but yeah, scheduling meetings is hard. | 11:40 |
| persia | True. Having a meeting without input from artistic and technical leaders gets interesting :) | 11:40 |
| ScottL | but barring his involvement, i see the two of you on IRC right now ;) | 11:40 |
| ScottL | oh, and jussi01 ... | 11:41 |
| ScottL | I would be extremely happy to reschedule the meeting a few days hence at this time if more people could be involved (hint: abogani, persia, jussi01 ) | 11:41 |
| persia | It's 4:30am for stochastic. | 11:42 |
| persia | And I'm a little surprised to see you about at this hour as well, given your normal apparent schedule :) | 11:42 |
| jussi01 | ScottL: euro daytime/evening is pretty good for me | 11:42 |
| ScottL | persia, actually, it's 6:42 in the morning, i'm late for work by my own driven, type-a personality | 11:43 |
| ScottL | i should have been at work 15 minutes ago and it takes me thirty to get there without dropping off any kids | 11:43 |
| ScottL | luckily, this week is spring break and the kids are off and my wife is on vacation to stay home with them so I will go in slightly early (not very early, mind you) every day | 11:44 |
| ScottL | but back to the point, if stochastic is not going to attend then I propose somewhere around this time because of the people that are available | 11:45 |
| persia | Aha! now I understand your hours better. You typically start at a time that looks like UTC-4 (-3 now, I suppose), but seem to be up late enough to have maybe been in UTC-8(-7 now, I suppose). Knowing it's UTC-5(-4 due to silly government regulation) puts all the pieces together. | 11:45 |
| persia | How much earlier gets really bad for you? If we pull it forward an hour (about 10:30 UTC), we might catch stochastic at the tail-end of his day. | 11:47 |
| ScottL | for the meeting I would try to move a mountain at this point (not having a plan greatly distresses my chi) | 11:47 |
| ScottL | of course, I would rather come to the mountain, than vice versa | 11:48 |
| ScottL | 10:30UTC I could do | 11:49 |
| persia | Check how late stochastic is up then. I have a fairly strong opinion that something like 11:00 UTC would happen to work just because of all our individually odd sleeping habits. | 11:49 |
| ScottL | I am going to leave for work now, I'll log on again in thirty minutes | 11:50 |
| persia | Have a good trip :) | 11:50 |
| abogani | IMHO meetings should be scheduled to meet with needs of "core" part of team... | 12:12 |
| persia | abogani: Who is "core"? | 12:14 |
| abogani | persia: This is the point: no one know. Who is the lead? Who is the core part of the team? I think, but it is only my opinion, that *before* we should know who are "essential" for the project and after we can do the right schedule for meeting (decide the best time for accommodate this part of the Team). | 12:18 |
| abogani | I know it seems very rough but we should live with priorities after all. | 12:18 |
| persia | abogani: I agree with you. | 12:19 |
| * abogani received an other kick in the ass just now. | 12:20 | |
| persia | That said, I think ScottL is responsible for initating most of the traffic in this channel currently, so I believe he is best suited to identify the current core team. | 12:20 |
| abogani | persia: And I suspect that stochastic seems to fit well the role of lead, right? | 12:21 |
| persia | I believe stochastic is currently filling the role of artistic lead. | 12:22 |
| abogani | persia: Don't be already assigned to Corry? | 12:22 |
| persia | I thought he stepped back whilst he sorted out other parts of his life. | 12:23 |
| * abogani go to give vent to rage for an other failed job interview. | 12:26 | |
| ScottL_ | abogani, persia, jussi01: if we were to have a meeting at 10:30 UTC (abouve two hours before right now) do you have a preferred day? this week? next week? | 12:28 |
| persia | My preferred day is Tuesdays. | 12:30 |
| jussi01 | ScottL: gulp. I dont know, its work time, so I can be there but participation is hampered by $ work | 12:30 |
| persia | But I have another meeting at 10:00 UTC every two weeks. | 12:30 |
| abogani | ScottL_: That is my _personal_ opinion: We should reduce the number of discussions points (splitting in two pieces) and so do the meeting as soon as possible. | 12:34 |
| persia | ScottL_: Anyway : what issues were pending a meeting? | 12:38 |
| abogani | persia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010Mar14 | 12:39 |
| persia | Right. | 12:39 |
| persia | So, JACK into main is mostly stalled by FeatureFreeze at this point. The big bits are done. | 12:39 |
| persia | libffado went with it. | 12:39 |
| persia | REVU is all next cycle. | 12:39 |
| persia | forms change got done | 12:40 |
| persia | Worth a fresh check of http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html | 12:40 |
| persia | stochastic should build a rocking website | 12:40 |
| persia | plymouth theme to be uploaded once FFe granted. | 12:41 |
| persia | Need a tech lead. | 12:41 |
| persia | Need a project lead. | 12:41 |
| persia | Need a release manage. | 12:41 |
| persia | Oh, and we have kernel issues. | 12:42 |
| persia | Personally, I agree with abogani. | 12:42 |
| persia | Until we confirm our artistic lead and get a tech lead & project lead, meetings aren't so useful. | 12:43 |
| persia | And without a release manager, we're releasing kinda by accident, which isn't sustainable. | 12:43 |
| persia | Project lead is most important: the main requirements being 1) passion for Ubuntu Studio, 2) Strong communications skills, and 3) ability to gain Cory's respect. | 12:44 |
| ScottL_ | I have to admit I LOL'ed at number three (but it's true, that's why I laughed) | 12:45 |
| persia | For tech lead, I think the requirements are 1) active Ubuntu developer, 2) time for Ubuntu Studio | 12:45 |
| persia | For artistic lead, I'm not qualified to suggest requirements. | 12:45 |
| persia | For release manager, requirements are 1) can attend relevant meetings and track IRC regularly, 2) can respond to requests reguarly, 3) can represent Ubuntu Studio-specific issues to the rest of the release team in a coherent manner | 12:46 |
| ScottL_ | persia: what type of requests need to be responded to (number two above) | 12:46 |
| persia | Two kinds: 1) requests from developers / users about whether things need / should have freeze exceptions, 2) requests from other members of the release team or from the foundations team for changes needed to keep the release on-track. | 12:48 |
| ScottL_ | persia: to answer your questions above about pending issues | 12:50 |
| ScottL_ | I was hoping to discuss Luke's departure and how to distribute the work load | 12:51 |
| persia | Distribution isn't going to work. | 12:51 |
| persia | We *need* a tech lead. | 12:51 |
| persia | neither crimsun or I is suitable for time reasons. | 12:52 |
| ScottL_ | is that something that quadrispro can help with (I don't know his technical abilities other than he has something like 58,000 karma points in Launchpad) | 12:52 |
| persia | fabrice_sp and quadrispro aren't around enough (one hopes "yet"). | 12:52 |
| persia | Certainly, assuming that he wishes to do so, and steps up to do it. | 12:53 |
| persia | I'm not fond of giving people grand titles because they say they want to do something, but rather because they have been doing something. | 12:53 |
| ScottL_ | hm. another point was hoping to get input from stochastic regarding website, but since he hasn't scheduled a meeting yet (which was presumably the first step) for input then I'm guessing nothing is done yet (hopefully I'm wrong) | 12:53 |
| persia | So if he starts pushing fixes for the bugs, and starts chasing image conditions, and otherwise acts as tech lead, Im sure he'd be confirmed. | 12:54 |
| persia | But I'd hope that any tech lead would be confirmed by the project lead, and also some of the senior developers. | 12:54 |
| jussi01 | often project lead and release manager are one and same. | 13:12 |
| persia | Indeed. | 13:14 |
| ScottL_ | I was looking at updating the applications list for lucid -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications | 14:46 |
| ScottL_ | and realized that about one quarter of the listed applications have udpates....yay! | 14:47 |
| ScottL_ | i'll make sure the are also noted on the working release notes page | 14:47 |
| ScottL_ | i was surprised (and somewhat shocked) that so many applications had new verision | 14:47 |
| persia | All praise the debian-multimedia team, without whose work we would be unable to produce what we do. | 14:48 |
| ScottL_ | amen! | 14:48 |
| rlameiro | persia: YEAH! | 14:48 |
| ScottL_ | persia: I was looking http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#outdatedinB | 17:03 |
| ScottL_ | since there are apparently no Ubuntu changes we should be able to sync BUT we are in FF so, | 17:04 |
| ScottL_ | should I file a sync request knowing that it will be delayed but probably irritate some people or make a reminder for myself to file them later? | 17:04 |
| ScottL | persia, are you around? | 22:42 |
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