[10:50]  * abogani waves
[10:50] <abogani> Could anyone pinpoint me to meeting logs, please?
[10:56] <abogani> ScottL, jussi01: ^
[10:58] <persia> abogani: They are at least embedded in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/14/#ubuntustudio-devel.html
[11:36] <ScottL> abogani, persia, the meeting didn't happen as it was just me, rlamerio and quadrispro
[11:37] <ScottL> i am hoping to reschedule to include the two of you and stochastic (well, at least two of the three of you)
[11:37] <persia> That's a meeting, just one with low attendance :)
[11:37] <persia> Hard, since we're on three different corners of the world :)
[11:37] <persia> (and two of us have very odd hours)
[11:38] <ScottL> re: low attendance - i reall considered having the meeting to have them involved but there would have been very few answers to most of the questions asked
[11:40] <ScottL> i was going to wait a few days and see if I can get stochastic on line and ask him about his schedule, although I can also email him today as well, before trying to reschedule
[11:40] <jussi01> persia: you are incredibly weird, we all know that :D but yeah, scheduling meetings is hard.
[11:40] <persia> True.  Having a meeting without input from artistic and technical leaders gets interesting :)
[11:40] <ScottL> but barring his involvement, i see the two of you on IRC right now ;)
[11:41] <ScottL> oh, and jussi01 ...
[11:41] <ScottL> I would be extremely happy to reschedule the meeting a few days hence at this time if more people could be involved (hint: abogani, persia, jussi01 )
[11:42] <persia> It's 4:30am for stochastic.
[11:42] <persia> And I'm a little surprised to see you about at this hour as well, given your normal apparent schedule :)
[11:42] <jussi01> ScottL: euro daytime/evening is pretty good for me
[11:43] <ScottL> persia, actually, it's 6:42 in the morning, i'm late for work by my own driven, type-a personality
[11:43] <ScottL> i should have been at work 15 minutes ago and it takes me thirty to get there without dropping off any kids
[11:44] <ScottL> luckily, this week is spring break and the kids are off and my wife is on vacation to stay home with them so I will go in slightly early (not very early, mind you) every day
[11:45] <ScottL> but back to the point, if stochastic is not going to attend then I propose somewhere around this time because of the people that are available
[11:45] <persia> Aha!  now I understand your hours better.  You typically start at a time that looks like UTC-4 (-3 now, I suppose), but seem to be up late enough to have maybe been in UTC-8(-7 now, I suppose).  Knowing it's UTC-5(-4 due to silly government regulation) puts all the pieces together.
[11:47] <persia> How much earlier gets really bad for you?  If we pull it forward an hour (about 10:30 UTC), we might catch stochastic at the tail-end of his day.
[11:47] <ScottL> for the meeting I would try to move a mountain at this point (not having a plan greatly distresses my chi)
[11:48] <ScottL> of course, I would rather come to the mountain, than vice versa
[11:49] <ScottL> 10:30UTC I could do
[11:49] <persia> Check how late stochastic is up then.  I have a fairly strong opinion that something like 11:00 UTC would happen to work just because of all our individually odd sleeping habits.
[11:50] <ScottL> I am going to leave for work now, I'll log on again in thirty minutes
[11:50] <persia> Have a good trip :)
[12:12] <abogani> IMHO meetings should be scheduled to meet with needs of "core" part of team...
[12:14] <persia> abogani: Who is "core"?
[12:18] <abogani> persia: This is the point: no one know. Who is the lead? Who is the core part of the team? I think, but it is only my opinion, that *before* we should know who are "essential" for the project and after we can do the right schedule for meeting (decide the best time for accommodate this part of the Team).  
[12:18] <abogani> I know it seems very rough but we should live with priorities after all.
[12:19] <persia> abogani: I agree with you.
[12:20]  * abogani received an other kick in the ass just now.
[12:20] <persia> That said, I think ScottL is responsible for initating most of the traffic in this channel currently, so I believe he is best suited to identify the current core team.
[12:21] <abogani> persia: And I suspect that stochastic seems to fit well the role of lead, right?
[12:22] <persia> I believe stochastic is currently filling the role of artistic lead.
[12:22] <abogani> persia: Don't be already assigned to Corry?
[12:23] <persia> I thought he stepped back whilst he sorted out other parts of his life.
[12:26]  * abogani go to give vent to rage for an other failed job interview.
[12:28] <ScottL_> abogani, persia, jussi01: if we were to have a meeting at 10:30 UTC (abouve two hours before right now) do you have a preferred day?  this week? next week?
[12:30] <persia> My preferred day is Tuesdays.
[12:30] <jussi01> ScottL: gulp. I dont know, its work time, so I can be there but participation is hampered by $ work
[12:30] <persia> But I have another meeting at 10:00 UTC every two weeks.
[12:34] <abogani> ScottL_: That is my _personal_ opinion: We should reduce the number of discussions points (splitting in two pieces) and so do the meeting as soon as possible.
[12:38] <persia> ScottL_: Anyway : what issues were pending a meeting?
[12:39] <abogani> persia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010Mar14
[12:39] <persia> Right.
[12:39] <persia> So, JACK into main is mostly stalled by FeatureFreeze at this point.  The big bits are done.
[12:39] <persia> libffado went with it.
[12:39] <persia> REVU is all next cycle.
[12:40] <persia> forms change got done
[12:40] <persia> Worth a fresh check of http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html
[12:40] <persia> stochastic should build a rocking website
[12:41] <persia> plymouth theme to be uploaded once FFe granted.
[12:41] <persia> Need a tech lead.
[12:41] <persia> Need a project lead.
[12:41] <persia> Need a release manage.
[12:42] <persia> Oh, and we have kernel issues.
[12:42] <persia> Personally, I agree with abogani.
[12:43] <persia> Until we confirm our artistic lead and get a tech lead & project lead, meetings aren't so useful.
[12:43] <persia> And without a release manager, we're releasing kinda by accident, which isn't sustainable.
[12:44] <persia> Project lead is most important: the main requirements being 1) passion for Ubuntu Studio, 2) Strong communications skills, and 3) ability to gain Cory's respect.
[12:45] <ScottL_> I have to admit I LOL'ed at number three (but it's true, that's why I laughed)
[12:45] <persia> For tech lead, I think the requirements are 1) active Ubuntu developer, 2) time for Ubuntu Studio
[12:45] <persia> For artistic lead, I'm not qualified to suggest requirements.
[12:46] <persia> For release manager, requirements are 1) can attend relevant meetings and track IRC regularly, 2) can respond to requests reguarly, 3) can represent Ubuntu Studio-specific issues to the rest of the release team in a coherent manner
[12:46] <ScottL_> persia: what type of requests need to be responded to (number two above)
[12:48] <persia> Two kinds: 1) requests from developers / users about whether things need / should have freeze exceptions, 2) requests from other members of the release team or from the foundations team for changes needed to keep the release on-track.
[12:50] <ScottL_> persia: to answer your questions above about pending issues
[12:51] <ScottL_> I was hoping to discuss Luke's departure and how to distribute the work load
[12:51] <persia> Distribution isn't going to work.
[12:51] <persia> We *need* a tech lead.
[12:52] <persia> neither crimsun or I is suitable for time reasons.
[12:52] <ScottL_> is that something that quadrispro can help with (I don't know his technical abilities other than he has something like 58,000 karma points in Launchpad)
[12:52] <persia> fabrice_sp and quadrispro aren't around enough (one hopes "yet").
[12:53] <persia> Certainly, assuming that he wishes to do so, and steps up to do it.
[12:53] <persia> I'm not fond of giving people grand titles because they say they want to do something, but rather because they have been doing something.
[12:53] <ScottL_> hm.  another point was hoping to get input from stochastic regarding website, but since he hasn't scheduled a meeting yet (which was presumably the first step)  for input then I'm guessing nothing is done yet (hopefully I'm wrong)
[12:54] <persia> So if he starts pushing fixes for the bugs, and starts chasing image conditions, and otherwise acts as tech lead, Im sure he'd be confirmed.
[12:54] <persia> But I'd hope that any tech lead would be confirmed by the project lead, and also some of the senior developers.
[13:12] <jussi01> often project lead and release manager are one and same.
[13:14] <persia> Indeed.
[14:46] <ScottL_> I was looking at updating the applications list for lucid -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications
[14:47] <ScottL_> and realized that about one quarter of the listed applications have udpates....yay!
[14:47] <ScottL_> i'll make sure the are also noted on the working release notes page
[14:47] <ScottL_> i was surprised (and somewhat shocked) that so many applications had new verision
[14:48] <persia> All praise the debian-multimedia team, without whose work we would be unable to produce what we do.
[14:48] <ScottL_> amen!
[14:48] <rlameiro> persia: YEAH!
[17:03] <ScottL_> persia:  I was looking http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#outdatedinB
[17:04] <ScottL_> since there are apparently no Ubuntu changes we should be able to sync BUT we are in FF so,
[17:04] <ScottL_> should I file a sync request knowing that it will be delayed but probably irritate some people or make a reminder for myself to file them later?
[22:42] <ScottL> persia, are you around?