[10:50] * abogani waves [10:50] Could anyone pinpoint me to meeting logs, please? [10:56] ScottL, jussi01: ^ [10:58] abogani: They are at least embedded in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/14/#ubuntustudio-devel.html [11:36] abogani, persia, the meeting didn't happen as it was just me, rlamerio and quadrispro [11:37] i am hoping to reschedule to include the two of you and stochastic (well, at least two of the three of you) [11:37] That's a meeting, just one with low attendance :) [11:37] Hard, since we're on three different corners of the world :) [11:37] (and two of us have very odd hours) [11:38] re: low attendance - i reall considered having the meeting to have them involved but there would have been very few answers to most of the questions asked [11:40] i was going to wait a few days and see if I can get stochastic on line and ask him about his schedule, although I can also email him today as well, before trying to reschedule [11:40] persia: you are incredibly weird, we all know that :D but yeah, scheduling meetings is hard. [11:40] True. Having a meeting without input from artistic and technical leaders gets interesting :) [11:40] but barring his involvement, i see the two of you on IRC right now ;) [11:41] oh, and jussi01 ... [11:41] I would be extremely happy to reschedule the meeting a few days hence at this time if more people could be involved (hint: abogani, persia, jussi01 ) [11:42] It's 4:30am for stochastic. [11:42] And I'm a little surprised to see you about at this hour as well, given your normal apparent schedule :) [11:42] ScottL: euro daytime/evening is pretty good for me [11:43] persia, actually, it's 6:42 in the morning, i'm late for work by my own driven, type-a personality [11:43] i should have been at work 15 minutes ago and it takes me thirty to get there without dropping off any kids [11:44] luckily, this week is spring break and the kids are off and my wife is on vacation to stay home with them so I will go in slightly early (not very early, mind you) every day [11:45] but back to the point, if stochastic is not going to attend then I propose somewhere around this time because of the people that are available [11:45] Aha! now I understand your hours better. You typically start at a time that looks like UTC-4 (-3 now, I suppose), but seem to be up late enough to have maybe been in UTC-8(-7 now, I suppose). Knowing it's UTC-5(-4 due to silly government regulation) puts all the pieces together. [11:47] How much earlier gets really bad for you? If we pull it forward an hour (about 10:30 UTC), we might catch stochastic at the tail-end of his day. [11:47] for the meeting I would try to move a mountain at this point (not having a plan greatly distresses my chi) [11:48] of course, I would rather come to the mountain, than vice versa [11:49] 10:30UTC I could do [11:49] Check how late stochastic is up then. I have a fairly strong opinion that something like 11:00 UTC would happen to work just because of all our individually odd sleeping habits. [11:50] I am going to leave for work now, I'll log on again in thirty minutes [11:50] Have a good trip :) [12:12] IMHO meetings should be scheduled to meet with needs of "core" part of team... [12:14] abogani: Who is "core"? [12:18] persia: This is the point: no one know. Who is the lead? Who is the core part of the team? I think, but it is only my opinion, that *before* we should know who are "essential" for the project and after we can do the right schedule for meeting (decide the best time for accommodate this part of the Team). [12:18] I know it seems very rough but we should live with priorities after all. [12:19] abogani: I agree with you. [12:20] * abogani received an other kick in the ass just now. [12:20] That said, I think ScottL is responsible for initating most of the traffic in this channel currently, so I believe he is best suited to identify the current core team. [12:21] persia: And I suspect that stochastic seems to fit well the role of lead, right? [12:22] I believe stochastic is currently filling the role of artistic lead. [12:22] persia: Don't be already assigned to Corry? [12:23] I thought he stepped back whilst he sorted out other parts of his life. [12:26] * abogani go to give vent to rage for an other failed job interview. [12:28] abogani, persia, jussi01: if we were to have a meeting at 10:30 UTC (abouve two hours before right now) do you have a preferred day? this week? next week? [12:30] My preferred day is Tuesdays. [12:30] ScottL: gulp. I dont know, its work time, so I can be there but participation is hampered by $ work [12:30] But I have another meeting at 10:00 UTC every two weeks. [12:34] ScottL_: That is my _personal_ opinion: We should reduce the number of discussions points (splitting in two pieces) and so do the meeting as soon as possible. [12:38] ScottL_: Anyway : what issues were pending a meeting? [12:39] persia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010Mar14 [12:39] Right. [12:39] So, JACK into main is mostly stalled by FeatureFreeze at this point. The big bits are done. [12:39] libffado went with it. [12:39] REVU is all next cycle. [12:40] forms change got done [12:40] Worth a fresh check of http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html [12:40] stochastic should build a rocking website [12:41] plymouth theme to be uploaded once FFe granted. [12:41] Need a tech lead. [12:41] Need a project lead. [12:41] Need a release manage. [12:42] Oh, and we have kernel issues. [12:42] Personally, I agree with abogani. [12:43] Until we confirm our artistic lead and get a tech lead & project lead, meetings aren't so useful. [12:43] And without a release manager, we're releasing kinda by accident, which isn't sustainable. [12:44] Project lead is most important: the main requirements being 1) passion for Ubuntu Studio, 2) Strong communications skills, and 3) ability to gain Cory's respect. [12:45] I have to admit I LOL'ed at number three (but it's true, that's why I laughed) [12:45] For tech lead, I think the requirements are 1) active Ubuntu developer, 2) time for Ubuntu Studio [12:45] For artistic lead, I'm not qualified to suggest requirements. [12:46] For release manager, requirements are 1) can attend relevant meetings and track IRC regularly, 2) can respond to requests reguarly, 3) can represent Ubuntu Studio-specific issues to the rest of the release team in a coherent manner [12:46] persia: what type of requests need to be responded to (number two above) [12:48] Two kinds: 1) requests from developers / users about whether things need / should have freeze exceptions, 2) requests from other members of the release team or from the foundations team for changes needed to keep the release on-track. [12:50] persia: to answer your questions above about pending issues [12:51] I was hoping to discuss Luke's departure and how to distribute the work load [12:51] Distribution isn't going to work. [12:51] We *need* a tech lead. [12:52] neither crimsun or I is suitable for time reasons. [12:52] is that something that quadrispro can help with (I don't know his technical abilities other than he has something like 58,000 karma points in Launchpad) [12:52] fabrice_sp and quadrispro aren't around enough (one hopes "yet"). [12:53] Certainly, assuming that he wishes to do so, and steps up to do it. [12:53] I'm not fond of giving people grand titles because they say they want to do something, but rather because they have been doing something. [12:53] hm. another point was hoping to get input from stochastic regarding website, but since he hasn't scheduled a meeting yet (which was presumably the first step) for input then I'm guessing nothing is done yet (hopefully I'm wrong) [12:54] So if he starts pushing fixes for the bugs, and starts chasing image conditions, and otherwise acts as tech lead, Im sure he'd be confirmed. [12:54] But I'd hope that any tech lead would be confirmed by the project lead, and also some of the senior developers. [13:12] often project lead and release manager are one and same. [13:14] Indeed. [14:46] I was looking at updating the applications list for lucid -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications [14:47] and realized that about one quarter of the listed applications have udpates....yay! [14:47] i'll make sure the are also noted on the working release notes page [14:47] i was surprised (and somewhat shocked) that so many applications had new verision [14:48] All praise the debian-multimedia team, without whose work we would be unable to produce what we do. [14:48] amen! [14:48] persia: YEAH! [17:03] persia: I was looking http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#outdatedinB [17:04] since there are apparently no Ubuntu changes we should be able to sync BUT we are in FF so, [17:04] should I file a sync request knowing that it will be delayed but probably irritate some people or make a reminder for myself to file them later? [22:42] persia, are you around?