[00:04] <cpplogger> Sput: even more interesting is why the plasma netbook referecne thingy comes withat that crappyness of ooo quickstarter
[00:05] <Riddell> new KOffice beta needs packaging for anyone in a packaging mood
[00:11] <daskreech> Sput:
[00:11] <daskreech> ping
[00:11] <daskreech> There is a new Koffice beta?
[00:11] <daskreech> Wow KDE is moving faster than I can keep up with
[00:13] <verbalshadow> new Koffice beta where?
[00:28] <Riddell> nowhere until someone volunteers to package it
[00:34] <Sput> daskreech: pong
[00:34] <daskreech> Sput: can Konversation's default channel list be modified per locale?
[00:34] <Sput> I have no idea about Konvi :P
[00:34] <Sput> if you mean Quassel, it's in a text file that can be modified by distributions
[00:35] <daskreech> Bah Yes quassel
[00:35] <daskreech> Just wondering if it makes sense to append the appropriate CC channel for different countries/lnaguages
[00:36] <daskreech> But it's of course much more difficult for Kubuntu than it is for Ubuntu
[00:36] <Sput> can you do that somehow by the package building/installing/post-installing stuff?
[00:36] <daskreech> well it would have to be post-install since that's when the person chooses where they are
[00:36] <Sput> yeah
[00:37] <Sput> we ship a networks.ini that has a small set of popular networks, and you can add default channels in there
[00:37] <Sput> I think kubuntu already patches that file to have people join #kubuntu rather than #quassel
[00:37] <Sput> so you can probably adapt that to consider the user's locale
[00:39] <daskreech> Just some places have a #kubuntu-cc and some have a #ubuntu-cc
[00:39] <Riddell> there's no mechanism to set it per locale currently
[00:39] <daskreech> So it would probably have to be a lookup rather than a simple script
[00:39] <daskreech> Riddell: I realise :) I was thinking if it made sense to have one
[00:41] <Sput> I'd rather not be doing that from within Quassel's code tbh, that sounds messy... so if you could edit that file post-install, that would be the sanest way
[00:43] <daskreech> Sput: That's fine. Wasn't a request for Quassel to do it just a way for it to be done
[00:43] <Sput> daskreech: yeah, just have a look at  data/networks.ini and the DefaultChannels= in there
[00:43] <Sput> can be a list of channels too, comma-separated afaik
[00:43] <daskreech> Having people who can't speak english getting dumped into the #kubuntu chan doesn't help anyone. Esp since for some reason agood number of the non latin CC factoids are written in english
[00:44] <daskreech> Sput: I'd prefer to have both turn up the #kubuntu and the #(k)ubuntu-cc
[00:44] <daskreech> so addition via comma separation would be helpful
[00:47] <Sput> yeah, that should work
[00:47] <Sput> if it doesn't, ping me again and I can peek into the code :)
[00:47] <Sput> for now, I need to be embedding myself
[00:51] <daskreech> NIght
[00:54] <Riddell> seems like we're just as broken as Ubuntu Desktop at this stage
[00:54] <Riddell> infact less so, my keyboard doesn't work when logging into Ubuntu Desktop
[00:54] <Riddell> so I'm confident for Beta :)
[00:55] <daskreech> ha ha
[00:56] <daskreech> When is beta again?
[00:56]  * daskreech feels horribly out of touch
[00:59] <Riddell> thursday
[00:59] <verbalshadow> i loved rebooting to kms not working last night, at least i could turn it off and boot
[01:02] <daskreech> jjesse: ping
[01:02] <jjesse> daskreech:  pong
[01:03] <daskreech> jjesse: Did you see a dent come across in !kde that mentioned JJs from me?
[01:03] <jjesse> ummm not that i remember
[01:04] <maco> Riddell: see slangasek's comment on bug #538524
[01:04] <daskreech> dang it
[01:05] <Riddell> maco: I haven't seen that KDM bug in my testing today, it's always started fine
[01:06] <maco> Riddell: do you have ati crap?
[01:06] <Riddell> no
[01:06] <Riddell> intel
[01:06] <Riddell> is it dependent on video card?
[01:08] <maco> the bug was reported by an ati user, and there's someone on the mailing list hitting it with nvidia stuff. i had the impression it was one of those "some video drivers are *special* with plymouth" things
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> I have the bug with intel
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> dantti: Ok, latest svn activates the queue when you click the tray icon with only one printer active, and should display a menu of the available printers if multiple printers are active when you click it
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> I've not been able to test the last half, but it compiles ;P
[01:14] <maco> JontheEchidna: still?
[01:14] <maco> JontheEchidna: cuz Riddell just said it works for him..
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> maco: it always worked for him :(
[01:14] <maco> oh
[01:15] <maco> Riddell: shush! no declaring bugs-that-never-affected-you fixed just because they still dont affect you :P
[01:15] <dantti> JontheEchidna: nice :D thanks, I'm finishing a Printer class to be able to modify the printer...
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> nice
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> Ow, I don't have to test this code to see it won't work with multiple printers active...
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> not too hard to fix, I don't think
[01:22] <dantti> hehe
[01:28] <jjesse> daskreech: did you find that dent?
[01:28] <daskreech> jjesse: http://identi.ca/notice/24882832
[01:29] <daskreech> Didn't get broadcast for some reason
[01:29] <jjesse> you think i can fix it?
[01:30] <jjesse> srsly that makes snese to me
[01:30] <daskreech> jjesse: Fix ?
[01:31] <jjesse> its a link to a bug?
[01:31] <daskreech> Oh no I just wanted someone on on Identi.ca who was subscribed to !kde
[01:31] <daskreech> I didn't get notified of the dent so it seems no one did
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> As an aside, fixing that bug is probably just a matter of connecting the doubleClicked() signal to the editMePlz() slot.
[01:32] <jjesse> oh i get a code error when i click on the link in chrome
[01:32] <daskreech> Which link? The bugs link in the post or the link I posted above ?
[01:32] <jjesse> bugs link
[01:32] <daskreech> Oh
[01:32] <daskreech> hmm
[01:32] <daskreech> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224805 That one?
[01:37] <jjesse> yeah for some reason it throws an error in chrome for me
[01:38] <nixternal> mmm bell's ipa is so yummy!
[01:38] <nixternal> new pub & grill literally across the street that just opened up...oh man, a new watering hole...I love it
[01:39] <jjesse> so you will no longer get any work done?
[01:40] <nixternal> like i get work done now
[01:40] <jjesse> netbook almost done dist-upgrading to lucid
[01:40] <nixternal> gonna meet my waitress i had tonight up there for dinner and drinks on wednesday
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> im working on mine lol
[01:40] <jjesse> thats hawt
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> 10.10 should be Mandrake Moose?
[01:41] <jjesse> has there been a name announcement yet?
[01:41] <jjesse> nixternal: so you will be dating a beer wench?
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> No... not that I know of
[01:41] <nixternal> better than the lawyer and cop now that i have been dating
[01:42] <jjesse> at the same time?
[01:42] <jjesse> cop pull you over and the lawyer defend you in court?
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> Just like a gunner
[01:43] <jjesse> wow upgrade hung for a bout 10 minutes at "unpacking replacement foomatic-db"
[01:55] <nixternal> neither of them defend a damn thing :)
[01:56] <nixternal> the cop i have known since like 3rd grade...actually she was the first girl I ever kissed
[01:56] <nixternal> the lawyer is an off and on thing...she likes those ritzy restaurants and bars..i like little bars with good beer
[02:01] <jjesse> as long as it isn't little bars w/ bad beer
[02:02] <nixternal> nah, if they don't have an ipa, they aren't a good bar
 the cop i have known since like 3rd grade...actually she was the first girl I ever kissed <--- aww, you just got your first kiss? nix's growing up!
[02:05] <jjesse> maco:  nice one :)
[02:09] <nixternal> maco: yup!
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> Meh, for some reason I just feel that an upstream telling us that a robot-generated distribution is ultimate perfection/what we should be shooting for is just a little bit offensive.
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> And you know that it's just a spin of the opensuse KDE packages
[02:20] <maco> Riddell: :( now i dont know what to do for that bug since slangasek made that comment. I imagine I'll find out in the morning and then umm...not have net access tomorrow night to work on it :-/
[02:20] <maco> maybe that bug ought to be reassigned then...
[02:20] <maco> JontheEchidna: when did that happen?
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/03/plasma-netbook-reference-platform_15.html
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> It's either: a) upstream trying their hand at rough, roboto-packaging and telling distributors it's better than what they do or b) Roboto-spinning opensuse packages and proclaiming suse dominance from on high
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> imo
[02:28] <maco> why arent we the reference platform? we were the first to ship netbook. :(
[02:29] <persia> Nobody claimed the title.
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> Upstream has presumed that they are the best binary distributors, obviously
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> though that they included nm-applet shows that, yeah, they should leave distribution to distributors
[02:31] <ScottK> sebas: Since we did ship Plasma Netbook first it would have been nice to at least be asked if we were interested in the project.
[02:33] <jjesse> seems pretty rude
[02:33] <jjesse> ScottK: did you do a lot of work to get thigns shippable?
[02:34] <ScottK> Yep.
[02:34] <jjesse> seems really rude then
[02:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Since the reference platform ships nm-applet, I guess we better too, right?
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> "Hey, you've done a lot of work to help work out netbook issues and make the whole thing shippable. But now that you've done the hard part, we think that we can do a better job ourselves and let the computer do all the work"
[02:35] <yuriy> that's how engineering goes ;)
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> It's something you'd expect in the proprietary world, but this is KDE :(
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> But hey, if they disregard us, we can disregard their "reference distribution"
[02:40] <persia> I recommend not disregarding the reference distribution, but only considering it reference.
[02:41] <persia> There was a similar set of issues with the Ubuntu MID releases, and upstream changed the reference from Ubuntu to being a downstream of Fedora at one point.
[02:42] <persia> So we did what we usually do: grab the latest upstream, patch it if necessary, integrate it better ,and ship it.
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> Since it's just a respin of the suse packages, it's not really valuable as a reference
[02:42] <persia> Users seemed to like the distribution set more than the "reference" platform.
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> They're not building it to be distributable, the way I see it. They're just making a bunch of noise at a suse respin.
[02:44] <ScottK> Well, it's the usual crap.
[02:44] <ScottK> I ping'ed asiego on #plasma-netbook about it.
[02:44] <ScottK> Didn't hear back yet.
[02:46] <nixternal> gnome did the same shit with foresight, and ubuntu felt the same...it will all blow over
[02:47] <persia> nixternal: Usually, yes.  Sometimes it's more complicated.
[02:47]  * persia glares at "Meego"
[02:48] <persia> But as long as upstream still *also* wants to be upstream, it doesn't matter.  It's only the case where upstream wants to also be the sole distibutor that it would be messy.
[02:48] <nixternal> we have more users, so who cares....though what i find annoying is they put opensuse on this pedistal and act like it is the only distro out there
[02:48] <nixternal> arch is the best if you ask me
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: lol
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: what drew you to arch? Was it how their packages are 1000x more stable than ours? ;P
[02:50] <nixternal> it is faster too
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> :P
[03:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you see slangasek's request for people having the bug in 538524?
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I was finishing up a blog post though
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> but I'm done now, so I'm preparing to do that
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> hmmz, no plymouth at all that time
[03:30] <ScottK> OK, well that'll at least be a data point for the bug.
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> Meh, plymouth it totally broken for me now
[03:31] <crimsun> *stab*
[03:32] <crimsun> do *not* call xmlCleanupParser() more than once kthx
[03:36] <ScottK> crimsun: What do you think about pulse-audio by default for Kubuntu for Lucid+1.
[03:38] <crimsun> ScottK: I'm "go" for it.
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> at least for 10.04, we have the pulseaudio phonon intregration so that things will go more smoothly for Ubuntu users (in theory)
[03:39] <ScottK> I'm thinking by the next LTS it'll be pretty much unavoidable and so the sooner (after we get out the LTS) we jump on, the better.
[03:39] <maco> has wfm for quite a while
[03:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: RIght, that's another reason to go ahead.  That'll be even better in 4.5.
[03:46] <maco> i saw an ad about an hour ago for the Open Media Foundation. it explained evil copyright, creative commons, open access, digital divide, and mentioned open source and drupal! :D
[03:48] <ScottK> Was it for or against?
[03:53] <maco> for!
[03:53] <maco> it was encouraging people to create open content and post it online and get it on public access tv or if there is no public access channel in your area, start one
[03:53] <ScottK> Interesting.
[03:54] <ScottK> Bed time for me I think.  Good night.
[03:54] <maco> night night
[05:55] <maco> ScottK: http://www.denveropenmedia.org/project/show/opening-access-0
[06:23] <apachelogger> IMHO drupal better should have stayed unmentioned :P
[07:10] <fabo> Riddell: could you take care of kvpnc sync please ?
[07:10] <fabo> 0.9.6 contains many bug fixes over 0.9.3
[08:54] <al> dpm: turns out i was using intltool-merge correctly, but it has a bug that stops it from working with msgctxts in po files
[10:07] <Tonio_> maco: looks like the build finally worked
[10:07] <Tonio_> maco: thanks for this
[10:07] <Tonio_> sebas: I got openvpn connection to work too, checked this WE...
[10:08] <Tonio_> sebas: the plasmoid works definatelly better than the standalone client right now, as is free from graphical bugs (as knetworkmanager is half broken on that point)
[10:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: graphical bugs?
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you right click on the knetworkmanager systray icon
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno if that has been fixed, but there was one
[10:20] <Tonio_> the network list was filled with empty lines
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: left click worked
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: anyway, I see nothing the plasmoid isn't as good as knetworkmanager, and the UI is o much better....
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope we release with it...
[10:21] <Riddell> oh that's been fixed now
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ok
[10:42] <emonkey> Since the update to Amarok 2.3.0 it crashes on every program startup. (The shell tells me somthing about missing DBUS ...) If anyone wants that I test something or I can help to find the problem, please poke me.
[10:55] <Riddell> emonkey: lucid or karmic?
[10:56] <emonkey> Riddell, karmic
[10:57] <Trouble> Ooooo I can drag and drop the layout in Amarok and change it all around and use tabs - cooool!
[11:14] <sebas> Tonio_: keep in mind that the knetworkmanager shipped with Karmic is also way too old
[11:15] <sebas> so it has bugs that are fixed upstream for a long time
[11:21] <Tonio_> sebas: yep, but I compared with the svn knetworkmanager too
[11:21] <Tonio_> sebas: I tested both
[11:21] <Tonio_> sebas: I'm using lucid fyi
[11:30] <sebas> Tonio_: ok :)
[11:30] <sebas> good then
[11:31] <Tonio_> sebas: one thing I noticed about packaging this
[11:31] <Tonio_> sebas: knetworkmanager and the plasmoid should be in conflicting packages right ?
[11:32] <Tonio_> sebas: cause knetworkmanager,  when started, causes the plasmoid to fail to work, am I correct ?
[11:32] <sebas> probably
[11:32] <sebas> yes, that's correct and expected
[11:32] <Tonio_> kk I'll fix the packaging then
[11:32] <sebas> knetworkmanager and the plasmoid's kded4 module are mutually exclusive at runtime
[11:33] <sebas> so if knetworkmanager isrunning, the kded module is useless, and knetworkmanager won't start if the module is loaded
[11:33] <sebas> (there can be more than one plasmoid using the kded module though)
[11:37] <Tonio_> sebas: kk, I simply put a conflict between the 2 packages, I think this makes sense
[12:01] <shadeslayer> hmm.. where can i find the kubuntu 10.04 CD cover?
[12:01] <shadeslayer> cuz the ubuntu one looks AWESOME!
[12:07] <Riddell> same place as all our 10.04 artwork, on the drawing board
[12:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and will beta 1 make it to the 18 march deadline?
[12:30] <Riddell> dunno, go test images
[12:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the test images are out?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> i didnt get any mail from the iso testers
[12:31] <Riddell> I got one this morning
[12:31] <Riddell> they won't be final images but would be good to have some tests done
[12:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i would love to help
[12:33] <Riddell> go go image testing!
[12:33] <shadeslayer> but will only be able to download them tomorrow
[13:10] <somekool> Hi ! just to let you know : compiz-kde crash on 9.10 with kde 4.4
[13:10] <somekool> the problem is with KWD and it got fixed. by compiz team
[13:10] <somekool> compiz-kde just need to be recompile
[13:10] <somekool> http://bugs.opencompositing.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1249
[13:11] <somekool> http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/commit/?h=compiz-0.8&id=04c6a44893a00088c63acd3ba327022f8aa551cc
[13:15] <Quintasan> \o
[13:17] <Riddell> somekool: I suspect that we don't care enough about compiz with backports to fix that, if you have a debdiff for us I can upload that but otherwise it'll be too low priority
[13:17] <Riddell> hi Quintasan
[13:18] <Riddell> somekool: although if you're testing that archive we could do with amarok 2.3 being tested too
[13:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: any work to do? I'm not very busy since I'm awaiting for new task from kde-l18n-pl team
[13:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: new koffice beta for the packaging if you're up for it
[13:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: is it on KTown?
[13:21] <Riddell> should be yes
[13:21] <Riddell> KOffice 2.2 Beta 1 (2.1.81)
[13:21] <Riddell> "Currently there is in koffice/libs koreport that depends on kchart, it is
[13:21] <Riddell> therefor recommended to package it separately from other koffice libs (until
[13:21] <Riddell> this situation is solved which should happen after 2.2), and only kplato and
[13:21] <Riddell> kexi are depending on koreport"
[13:21] <Riddell> so make a new package for koreport
[13:23] <somekool> Riddell: i dont understand your question about amarok ? I'm using 4.4.1 under kubuntu 9.10 and my amarok is 2.2.2
[13:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: Hmm I can't find it on ktown and its not mentioned on koffice website
[13:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh nvm, it was in unstable dir
[13:24] <Quintasan> -_-
[13:24] <Riddell> somekool: amarok 2.3 was added to the archive last night, if you  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install amarok  you should get 2.3, we need testers
[13:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: if it is not urgent I will upload it during night here, is that okay?
[13:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: one more thing, should I build against 4.4 libs?
[13:27] <somekool> will this give access to a recompile compiz-kde package ;)
[13:32] <somekool> Riddell: Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main amarok 2:2.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 [8,362kB]
[13:36] <Trouble> I'm testing Amarok 2.3
[13:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: package for lucid first
[13:49] <Riddell> somekool, Trouble: what results?
[13:58] <Trouble> Riddell: Nothing to report so far! Just playing mp3s. The beta crashed occasionally when I stopped playing an mp3, but that's fine this release.
[13:58] <Trouble> I've reorganised my layout too - it's pretty cool :)
[14:00] <Riddell> Trouble: great, thanks
[14:00] <Quintasan> but asking Trouble to test Amarok isn't like asking for trouble?
[14:00] <Quintasan> :P
[14:04] <somekool> Riddell: running 2.3.0, for what I do with it everyday, it works fine
[14:05] <Riddell> lovely
[14:07]  * shadeslayer wonders if ktorrent svn will ever build correctly
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1167-Finding-something-else-to-do,-aka-does-anyone-want-to-hire-me.html <- would be neat if Canonical got him to do Ubuntu One amarok integration
[14:18] <Riddell> I told him where to send his CV
[14:19] <Trouble> Quintasan: Boom boom :-p
[14:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: this is somewhat strange, koreport won't build because KChart is unavilable and it is built during KOffice build proccess, how I'm supposed to build that?
[14:33] <Mamarok> is there a possiblity that something went wrong with Amarok 2.3? We get this report from Kubuntu users: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230916
[14:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: pastebin the build error and ask in #koffice
[14:48] <ScottK> Riddell: If you aren't up to date on your bugmail, you might want to read the latest in 538524.  Apparently it's your fault now.
[14:49] <Mamarok> apachelogger: see above
[14:50] <Riddell> yuriy_work: how do you add the nomodeset argument if grub has a 0 second timeout?
[14:51] <yuriy_work> good question... hit esc really fast to get there in 0 seconds?
[14:52] <yuriy_work> also removing splash works as well
[14:52] <yuriy_work> but that doesn't help the 0 timeout problem
[14:53] <Riddell> yuriy_work: you presumably have another OS installed so you don't have a 0 second timeout?
[14:53] <persia> One can also configure grub differently post-boot
[14:53] <Riddell> persia: not if one can't boot in the first place
[14:54] <Riddell> I can't work out how to do it from a live CD either, upgrade-grub complains
[14:54] <persia> What happens if you hold down "Shift" during the boot?
[14:54] <persia> Or Control or Alt.
[14:55] <persia> I remember there being some magic unintuitive key, and it needing to be a modifier key for obscure reasons.
[14:55] <yuriy_work> Riddell: i still have a bunch of old installations sitting around. possibly even my dapper partition
[14:55] <persia> (if none of those work, ask cjawtson in #ubuntu-devel for the magic key)
[14:55] <Riddell> holding down shift doesn't help at all
[14:55] <Riddell> he already recommended shift
[15:01] <Mamarok> or whoever did build the Amarok package...
[15:01] <Mamarok> could somebody look into that? Apparently it is not useable, there is no collection
[15:02]  * neversfelde tries to reproduce
[15:05]  * shadeslayer_ tries to reproduce with git version
[15:05] <shadeslayer_> in case the problem is upstream ;)
[15:06] <shadeslayer_> nope its at our end :)
[15:07] <neversfelde> no Problem with the lucid package here, karmic seems to be fine, too
[15:08] <yuriy_work> just shows that a 0 second grub timeout is a bad idea
[15:08] <yuriy_work> how are you supposed to get into recovery mode?
[15:08] <shadeslayer_> yuriy_work: also what about people with dual boot
[15:08] <shadeslayer_> they wont be able to get into windows :P
[15:10] <neversfelde> no
[15:11] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I rescanned several times, everything is ok. so I cannot reproduce this problem with Karmic
[15:13] <Mamarok> neversfelde: I only get reports from K/Uubuntu users who upgraded from 2.2.0 or 2.2.2, maybe the MySQL version is a problem?
[15:14] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I upgraded from 2.2.0
[15:14] <Mamarok> neversfelde: I will ask them to run it in a konsole, I bet the database is not started...
[15:15] <neversfelde> err, from 2.2.2
[15:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: [16:19] <CyrilleB> Quintasan: hum, sounds more like a bug in the buildsystem...
[15:23] <Quintasan> :O
[15:23]  * Quintasan uncovered some bad things
[15:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: there has been some bad tempers on the KOffice mailing list recently, quite possibly you stumbled into the middle of those
[15:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: Cyrille said he will upload new tarball. One thing puzzles me though, do we want MIR's for optional dependencies for KOffice?
[15:27] <Quintasan> like libpgxx
[15:27] <Riddell> Quintasan: koffice is in universe for lucid
[15:27] <Quintasan> oh
[15:28] <Quintasan> so I can use deps that are in universe?
[15:28] <Riddell> yes
[15:28] <Quintasan> awesome
[15:28] <Quintasan> shall I push that to bzr?
[15:28] <Quintasan> Should*
[15:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: push what?
[15:28] <maco> Tonio_: what what? i didnt do anything
[15:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: no nothing, I just grabbed the debian dir from bzr and I figured I won't be pushing back cause it is unstable
[15:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: maybe make a new branch for it
[15:29] <Riddell> ~kubuntu-members/koffice/ubuntu-beta or something
[15:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: okay, I will do it, first I need to grab the new tarball
[15:42] <Tonio_> maco: restarting plasmoid-networkmanagement build for amd64
[15:43] <maco> Tonio_: oh. np. all the amd64 builds were failing right then
[15:43] <Tonio_> yup
[15:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how do i use : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage : to sync my lucid alpha CD to beta 1?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: does it not need the folder where my original CD is stored at?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> oh nvm..i used zsync
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ooh.. this is cool!
[15:55] <shadeslayer> but the question is... can i pause it
[15:57] <Riddell> you can control-c it
[15:57] <Riddell> it'll sync again next time you run it
[15:57] <shadeslayer> coool
[15:57] <shadeslayer> halves my download time
[16:01] <Trouble> I've got no problem with my collection in Amarok 2.3, but I've been following the betas
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Trouble: no collection?
[16:05] <shadeslayer> btw the ETA is in minutes?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> oh forgot to ask this,zync will be able to diffrentiate b/w ubuntu and kubuntu cds right?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[16:07] <Trouble> shadeslayer: I've got a collection of 144 tracks which I just re-scanned successfully
[16:08] <Trouble> But I don't really use the collection - normally add to the play list directly from the file-system
[16:08] <shadeslayer> Trouble: so whats the problem?
[16:08] <Trouble> shadeslayer: "[16:01] <Trouble> I've got no problem with my collection" :-p
[16:08] <Trouble> Oh wait, did you miss this:
[16:08] <Trouble> [14:33] <Mamarok> is there a possiblity that something went wrong with Amarok 2.3? We get this report from Kubuntu users: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230916
[16:09] <Trouble> [16:09] <shadeslayer> Trouble: oh no,i saw that,i thought you had a problem with the collection.. missed the no
[16:09] <Trouble> :-p
[16:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so long as you get the right zsync file yes
[16:10] <Riddell> you need to keep ubuntu and kubuntu daily CDs in a different directory, they have the same filename
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i used this : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i only test the kubuntu ones ;)
[16:11] <Riddell> well that's not kubuntu
[16:11] <shadeslayer> not that im biased... just low on bandwidtg :P
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ack!
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you point me to the right link?
[16:12] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:12] <Quintasan> :)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ah thanks :D
[16:12] <shadeslayer> page bookmarked as well :)
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the ETA is in minutes?
[16:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: depends
[16:18] <Quintasan> ETA of plane arrival is probably in hours :P
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i just used zync url
[16:19] <Quintasan> and what did yout get there?
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ##########---------- 50.0% 40.1 kBps 163:32 ETA
[16:20] <Quintasan> sounds like minutes
[16:20] <Quintasan> looks rather than sounds though
[16:20] <shadeslayer> hmm.. well thats ok... ill download some today... some tomorrow..
[16:21] <shadeslayer> hope my ISP's server get b0rked like it does sometimes and i get 800 kBps
[16:22] <shadeslayer> its borked right now but im getting 40 kBps when i should be getting only 18 kBps
[16:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: why the hell your internet is sooo slow?
[16:22] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: well...
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: bandwidth is very costly here :)
[16:23] <Quintasan> how come?
[16:23] <Quintasan> where do you live?
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> im paying Rs 700 which is like $10 for a 128kbps connection
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: India :D
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> ( its more than $10 :P 0
[16:24] <Quintasan> oh man
[16:24] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: ask nigelb he has the same ISP :D
[16:24] <Quintasan> I pay like 12$ for 2Mbps
[16:24] <Quintasan> :S
[16:24] <shadeslayer_> i just saw his ip :)
[16:25] <shadeslayer_> ok gtg and study :D
[16:25] <Quintasan> its not like you are going to DDoS him is it? :P
[16:25] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: nah..
[16:25] <nigelb> ask me what?
[16:25] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: hehe.. you have a airtel connection right
[16:25] <nigelb> shadeslayer_: yup
[16:25] <nigelb> I join channels too fast
[16:26] <nigelb> I guess I should correct that some time soon
[16:26] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: tell Quintasan about airtels fair usage policy and their rate card difference in Gurgaon and Delhi
[16:26] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: never had a problem with irssi :)
[16:26] <nigelb> shadeslayer_: no clue /me is in bangalore
[16:26] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: oh...
[16:27] <Quintasan> and I thought we have shitty connections here in Poland
[16:27] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: well unlimited usage is limited to 150 GB's
[16:28] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: and Delhi's Rate cards are vastly cheaper than gurgaon's which is like just 3-4 KM's away
[16:28] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: cant i sync the iso from a local mirror?
[16:28] <Quintasan> they are cheaper because you have to pay for fuel :P
[16:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: sure you can, if you have a local mirror
[16:28] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: lol.
[16:29] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: yeah i do... the indian mirror gives me better speeds imo
[16:29] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/
[16:30] <Quintasan> that is just deb archive mirror
[16:30] <Quintasan> I thing it doesn't host iso's
[16:30] <shadeslayer_> hmm
[16:31] <Quintasan> think
[16:31] <Quintasan> not thing
[16:31]  * Quintasan has serious spelling problems today
[16:33] <shadeslayer_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[16:33] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: i think this is it : http://ubunturelease.hnsdc.com/
[16:33] <shadeslayer_> but i dont see daily :P
[16:34] <shadeslayer_> gah... it doesnt have them :(
[16:34] <shadeslayer_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirrors.hns.net.in-release
[16:35] <shadeslayer_> oh well...really gtg now :)
[16:39] <daskreech> Bye
[16:40] <daskreech>  hi rgreening
[16:52] <markey> anyone seen Aurelien today?
[16:52] <markey> wanted to ask him something regarding a patch he made
[16:52] <nixternal> 11:52:48 [notice(NickServ!NickServ@services.)] Last seen  : Mar 15 22:03:56 2010 (18 hours, 48 minutes, 52 seconds ago)
[16:53] <nixternal> markey: ^^
[16:53] <markey> ah, thanks :)
[16:53] <nixternal> np
[16:54] <markey> how's your magician hobby coming along, been able to pull any more rabbits of out things? :p
[16:55] <nixternal> not lately
[16:55] <nixternal> my laptop is happy that I did that though
[16:57] <shadeslayer_> haha....
[17:01] <markey> heh
[17:06] <daskreech> Freak ass laptop
[17:06] <daskreech> well then you again you did pull a rabbit out it
[17:07] <Mamarok> daskreech: see, that's what you get for helping, you are muted
[17:08] <daskreech> That's what I get for flooding
[17:09] <daskreech> OK he's in Ubuntu-th now
[17:09] <daskreech> I think he's an Admin who is just learning Linux
[17:10] <Mamarok> daskreech: you are using goolge translate too much ;)
[17:10] <Mamarok> google*
[17:10] <daskreech> Possibly. but almost every time he's logged in for the past few days I've been talking to him and kinda pushing him into #ubuntu-th
[17:11] <daskreech> How do you get a #kubuntu-cc ?
[17:11] <daskreech> Other than just asking freenode of course
[17:13] <Mamarok> daskreech: I guess you should have at least a minimum of a community to run such a channel in the first place, but then, ask Riddell
[17:13] <daskreech> Right I was thinking you probably need an admin for the channel
[17:13]  * Mamarok is always astonished there is no #kubuntu-fr for example, there are really enough KDE users in France or French speaking coutries
[17:14] <Mamarok> but if there is nobody to run the channel it is of no use
[17:17] <daskreech> !ca
[17:18] <daskreech> :-D
[17:18]  * JontheEchidna wonders what that's all aboot
[17:18] <daskreech> Cause they need their own language discussion eh?
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> That's right, guy
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> Ok, I'll stop now. :P
[17:20]  * JontheEchidna pahks the cah in the Hahvard Yahd
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> Boy I hope I never pick that one up
[17:21] <Quintasan> grr
[17:21] <daskreech> plus if you are trolling you can't get kicked from a normal channel for describing dbus as a hoser
[17:21] <daskreech> Where is the fun in that?
[17:21] <daskreech> Hmm
[17:21] <daskreech> !uk
[17:21] <daskreech> lol
[17:21] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: got a second? How to rotate that damned jar in case 5 in Ace Attorney?
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: oh, is that the one you're supposed to make look like the badger?
[17:22] <Quintasan> yeah LS
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> you're porked :D
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> I spend at least 10 minutes with that one every time I play through :S
[17:23] <Quintasan> lol
[17:26] <dpm> hey al, sorry I didn't come back to you until now re: your intltool-merge question this morning. That's weird. Is this a known bug? intltool should work with msgctxt messages. KDE does not use it, but other projects such as GNOME make heavy use of it, and have translations with msgctxt as well
[17:28] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: gotcha! :D
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> :>
[17:28] <Quintasan> damn you Blue Badger
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> People who don't know what that is must think we're crazy :P
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> But that pile of writhing cardboard is pathetically awesome
[17:28] <Mamarok> !ch
[17:28] <Quintasan> yeah
[17:29] <Mamarok> why is this in German?
[17:29] <Mamarok> we have four languages in Switherland!
[17:29] <Mamarok> it should be in English anyway
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: btw, I think in one of the later AA games has an over 9000 reference and a sparta reference
[17:29] <Quintasan> oh my god :S
[17:30] <neversfelde> Geben sie einfach /join #ubuntu-at ein! Danke für ihr Verständnis.
[17:30] <neversfelde> that's weird
[17:30] <Quintasan> I have Justice For All and Trial and Tribulations to finish
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> Both are excellent
[17:32] <Quintasan> OBJECTION!
[17:32] <Quintasan> Are you implying that both contain mind breaking puzzles?
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> Nothing quite like rotating a pot to look like a badger, no
[17:33] <Quintasan> :<
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> In fact, I think that the first AA was the only one of the three to use that 3D-y stuff
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> (the original AA's were remakes of the AA games for Gameboy Advance that were only released in Japan)
[17:35] <al> dpm: i didn't care to track it down further than i had to make it work ;)
[17:35] <al> i filed bug report in any case
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> The totally-new Apollo Justice and Miles Edgeworth AA games get some of that 3D rotate-y lovin', but no "you must rotate x to make it look like y" crap
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> The Apollo Justice spinoff is OK, but I'd recommend playing AA Miles Edgeworth before it. (Technially it comes next chronologically, plus it's a better game imo)
[17:53] <dpm> al, ah, ok :) Did you manage it to get it to work, either with intltool-merge or something else at least?
[17:56] <al> dpm: yea, i got it working with intltool-merge in the end
[17:56] <al> dpm: by the time i had that figured out i could have easily written the files by hand though ;)
[17:58] <Quintasan> WHHAAAAT?
[18:01] <al> ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/intltool/+bug/539325 is the bug report )
[18:03] <dpm> al, awesome, first time user of intltool, bug filed and a patch! :) Glad to hear that you got it working nevertheless
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ?
[18:14] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I was like, hell, if Ema killed the poor Marshall then Lena was covering her and that means Gant is somewhat involved
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> mwa ha ha
[18:22]  * JontheEchidna applies for UDS sponsorship
[18:23] <shadeslayer> ooh nice :D
[18:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: best of luck :)
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> thx
[18:25] <Quintasan> hah
[18:25]  * Quintasan applies for it too :P
[18:26]  * Quintasan will utter and OBJECTION! if he is not sponsored
[18:26] <Quintasan> :P
[18:26] <Quintasan> s/and/an
[18:26] <shadeslayer> when is the UDS?
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> May 10-14
[18:28] <Quintasan> oh man I totally forgot
[18:28] <Quintasan> -_-
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> In Brussels, Belguim
[18:28] <Quintasan> crap
[18:28] <shadeslayer> meh.. its not even going to come close to india
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> An India UDS would be cool
[18:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i would probably attend without a sponsorship if it were anywhere in india
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> Figures they had a UDS-Boston the cycle before I started contributing
[18:32] <persia> shadeslayer: Find a good convention center with enough bandwidth for >300 people doing regular test-builds for a week, plus full IRC, email, etc. that's cheap.  Organise some other folk to support the location.
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> (I live a few hours north)
[18:33] <Quintasan> persia: sounds next to impossible :P
[18:33] <jjesse> don't they bring thier own bandwidth in?
[18:33]  * claydoh drives a few hors south to stalk JontheEchidna
[18:33] <Quintasan> no wonder there was no UDS in Poland :P
[18:33] <jjesse> plus they setup a local mirror
[18:33] <claydoh> er s/hours/hors
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> Even a local area network will need some beefy pipes for >300 people
[18:33] <shadeslayer> persia: hmm... i guess gurgaon is the best location for UDS then...the main problem would be bandwidth... but i guess you guys will convert it into USD
[18:34] <shadeslayer> so it should be cheap...
[18:34]  * persia counts money in yen, and doesn't do UDS organisation
[18:34] <persia> Oh, and it needs to be near an international airport.
[18:34]  * Quintasan just realised persia is actually from Japan
[18:34] <Quintasan> :O
[18:35] <persia> jjesse: From what I've heard, there's usually supporting bandwidth, but it needs to be easily available, which isn't always the case in some parts of the world.
[18:36] <shadeslayer> persia: http://maps.google.co.in/maps?sourceid=chrome&q=Gurgaon&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Gurgaon,+Haryana&gl=in&ei=q8-fS6HQBMO8rAfmldCoDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA0Q8gEwAA
[18:36]  * JontheEchidna is tempted to boot in to Windows for some Sim City 3000...
[18:37] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I do belive it's working on Wine
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> 3000? Last I checked it crashed at the opening movie
[18:37] <persia> shadeslayer: And there's a fat cable to Dubai from there?
[18:37] <Quintasan> :<
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> funny thing is, Sim City 4 even though its newer. But I don't like it as much
[18:38] <shadeslayer> persia: :P
[18:38] <shadeslayer> persia: dont think so :D
[18:40] <persia> shadeslayer: Consider the need to cover ~10000 IRC channels, keep mirrors of cdimage, archive, ports, and releases up-to-date, handle bugmail for 300 people, handle launchpad usage for 300 people, grab who knows what upstream code, and stream voice and video to who knows how many remote participants.  It's possible, it's just a lot of bandwidth.
[18:40] <persia> (The 10,000 is the participants on an average of 30 channels each)
[18:40] <persia> And I think dubai is the closest significant international transit point for packets
[18:40]  * persia doesn't really trust the pipeline fiber
[18:41] <jjesse> why would all of that have to flow through the UDS?
[18:41] <jjesse> when i was at UDS boston and UDS mountain view they had a local mirror
[18:41] <persia> which parts could be excluded?
[18:41] <persia> Yes.  That's the local mirrors I mentioned.
[18:42] <shadeslayer> well theres a mirror near by
[18:42] <shadeslayer> in north india itself...but not in gurgaon itself
[18:43] <persia> The mirror is the easy part.
[18:43] <persia> It's the IRC+mail+voice+video+webapps+upstream tarballs that hurts.  And none of this can be mirrored.
[18:44] <shadeslayer> yeah...
[18:45]  * neversfelde offers his kitchen for the next UDS :)
[18:45] <daskreech> And Konsole breaking failsafe screws over a user
[19:09] <neversfelde> Mamarok: a user in #kubuntu-de couldn't reproduce the Amarok problem either
[19:18] <Riddell> emonkey was complaining about that Amarok problem this morning here
[19:18] <Riddell> no clear pattern on who it should affect and who not
[19:33] <Mamarok> well, so far the only pattern i can see is a) only K/Ubuntu users seem to be affected and b) changing to an external MySQL database seems to solve the issue
[20:09] <shtylman_> Riddell: logos (sad face)
[20:11] <Riddell> shtylman_: the design team are still offline doing their training
[20:11] <shtylman_> :(
[20:11]  * shtylman_ longs for new logo ...
[20:50] <bulettin> hello. Who is Jonathan Ridell?
[20:51] <neversfelde> the man in the moon
[20:51] <bulettin> really?XD
[20:51] <claydoh> bulettin: a very beautiful person :)
[20:52] <bulettin> oooh, i know it=)
[20:53] <nixternal> what is the deal with printer config? never once has it recognized any of my network printers
[20:54] <claydoh> nixternal: i thought it was that way, but then I go back to it later and viola! the network printer is there
[20:54] <bulettin> It happens here?
[20:54] <daskreech> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnathan_Riddell
[20:55] <neversfelde> printer config is broken in lucid, I need root to delete a printer
[20:55] <claydoh> nixternal: but that is on karmic here, and only one printer connected to one of my laptops
[20:55] <daskreech> Policy kit should handle that?
[20:55] <nixternal> claydoh: I can go back next year and none of them will be there
[20:55] <nixternal> none of my tcp printers or samba printers
[20:55] <nixternal> i take that back, my tcp printers typically show up
[20:55] <nixternal> samba printers don't
[20:56] <claydoh> heck I don't think I even have samba running, I must be lucky
[20:58] <claydoh> unless it concerns boxee that is, can't seem to get anything I wanna watch :(
[21:49]  * ryanakca_ sighs at his server having died and debates between trying to plug his Hardy HD into another computer or doing a fresh install of Lucid and porting configs over.
[21:58] <Riddell> hi bulettin
[22:03] <DarkwingDuck> HAL is being replaced correct?
[22:05] <Sput> slowly
[22:06] <Sput> X11 master just switched to udev a couple weeks ago :D
[22:06] <Riddell> not so far in KDE, which is worrying since nobody will care if it breaks
[22:10] <DarkwingDuck> ahh. Okay.
[22:33] <freinhard> hi!
[22:33] <freinhard> lucid doesn't use policykit anymore, right? it user polkit?
[22:34] <Riddell> freinhard: correct
[22:35] <freinhard> any suggestions what i might want to read about polkit so i can mount ntfs partitions by just klicking on them in dolphin? (org.freedesktop.Hal.Volume.Permission[cut])
[22:36] <freinhard> ans someone might want to poke Peter Penz about dolphins methods to inform users about errors.
[22:36] <freinhard> cut errormessages are really bad usability!
[22:50] <daskreech> freinhard: Peter is really big on usabilty you may want to jump on the bug for that
[22:51] <Riddell> oh he left :(
[23:00] <neversfelde> someone working on koffice 2.2?
[23:00] <lex79> nope, I think
[23:01] <neversfelde> Quintasan? You wrote about koffice some hours ago?
[23:04] <Riddell> neversfelde: yes Quintasan was
[23:04] <neversfelde> K
[23:04] <Riddell> neversfelde: he found a build issue and I think we're waiting on a new tar from upstream
[23:48] <slangasek> could I get some folks who were seeing bug #538524 to test the one-liner plymouth fix?