[01:41] <stewart> is there any way to get the dependency tree to display so the text is larger (i.e. readable) see: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/drizzle/+spec/embedded-innodb
[01:52] <thumper> stewart: probably not
[01:53] <stewart> thumper, doh... it's a blueprint with quite a few steps/dependencies
[01:53] <thumper> stewart: if you mouse over though, the tool tip is the text
[01:54] <stewart> thumper, it might be cool to be able to visually see on that graph the status of each of them (beta available versus not started)
[01:54] <stewart> not just "done" or not-done.
[01:54] <thumper> stewart: yes it would
[01:54] <thumper> stewart: zoomable SVG would be cool too
[01:54] <stewart> very.
[01:54] <thumper> stewart: file a bug :)
[01:55] <stewart> :)
[01:55] <thumper> stewart: I've been pushing for someone to actually get assigned to do some work on blueprints
[01:55] <thumper> stewart: it needs lots of love
[01:58] <lifeless> 'rm -rf'
[01:58] <stewart> if i had time... :)
[01:58] <stewart> lunch
[01:58] <stewart> a few hours sorting out bzr problems has made me way too hungry
[01:59]  * mwhudson spots a clm
[02:00] <lifeless> anagram for spam clots
[02:12] <thumper> clm?
[02:12] <mwhudson> career limiting move
[02:12] <thumper> ah, yeah
[02:34] <mwhudson> thumper: and another one! https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/rlimit-lp-serve-bug-532213/+merge/21422
[02:38] <thumper> mwhudson: commented :)
[02:42] <mwhudson> thumper: replied
[02:43] <thumper> mwhudson: went to look and was disappointed at the non-instantaneous diff update :-|
[02:44] <thumper> gee some form of message queue would be good
[02:44]  * thumper must not get distracted
[02:46] <mwhudson> thumper: note this is a mp into production-devel, i guess i need to get a r-c off ... francis?
[02:47] <thumper> mwhudson: probably needs an rc from francis before being rolled out
[02:47] <thumper> mwhudson: but we should land it on devel and the production-devel branch
[02:48] <mwhudson> ok
[02:48] <thumper> mwhudson: at least that way once it is approved (and I think it will be) we can roll it out fast
[02:48] <thumper> mwhudson: and we should get some form of oops that should record the branch :)
[02:49] <mwhudson> yeah
[02:49] <mwhudson> i'm not sure what sort of notification we'll get now
[03:04] <thumper> james_w: yes, there is a box being setup by a LOSA
[03:04] <james_w> \o/
[03:04] <thumper> james_w: a nice new shiney quad core
[03:04] <james_w> thanks
[03:05] <james_w> and as I understand it, you can throw some more hardware at the problem if we reach the limit again?
[03:05] <james_w> up to a reasonable limit
[03:05] <james_w> but the system is designed to support that
[03:16] <lifeless> hi james_w
[03:16] <mwhudson> james_w: yeah
[03:18] <james_w> hi lifeless
[04:13] <ZykoticK9> I'm wondering if an Op could delete a mistake I just made, answering the wrong question in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/104490 the answer was intended for another question obviously.
[04:47] <Some_Person> What does the karma in launchpad actually mean?
[04:48] <Some_Person> All I really know is that mine is 576
[04:48] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma for some details
[04:51] <Some_Person> So a high karma is better, I'm guessing
[04:51] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, of course ;)
[04:52] <Some_Person> Almost all of mine was through SVN snapshots of supertux though
[05:17] <EzraR> are launchpad admins the only people that can make branches private? I cant make a personal private branch? This correct?
[05:18] <spm> EzraR: correct
[05:19] <spm> I believe you can pay to have a private project and hence code; but I'm fuzzy on the details of that. I believe it's in the FAQ somewhere....
[05:21] <Some_Person> Whenever someone adds any of my PPAs, they see this: gpg: key A224E3DB: public key "Launchpad Fix for ubuntulooks GTK theme engine" imported
[05:21] <Some_Person> How can I change that "Launchpad Fix for ubuntulooks GTK theme engine" part?
[05:24] <EzraR> spm: thnx, i would just be using it for homework so its not a big deal, it would be handy to have it "in the clouds" though :)
[08:45] <knielsen> Any launchpad problems now? I keep getting various server errors on this URL: https://code.launchpad.net/~vkolesnikov/pbxt/pbxt-bug-534361/+merge/21382/+preview-diff/+files/preview.diff
[08:45] <knielsen> (I don't need it, got the info another way, just wanted to mention it in case someone wanted to investigate)
[09:01] <rioch> I received an email this morning saying I'd set up a translation branch but not created it. It mentions that I can create a branch in isolation or a related branch. I'd like the related branch, so I can merge my translation with the trunk, but how do I create this branch?
[09:02] <jtv> rioch: I sent that
[09:03] <rioch> :) hey
[09:03] <rioch> I really thought it would be created for me. I never even thought to check.
[09:03] <jtv> rioch: hi!  To do that, branch off your trunk, and push what you get to the URL for your translations branch.
[09:04] <rioch> jtv: what does branch off your trunk mean?
[09:05] <jtv> rioch: make a branch, on your local system, of the main development branch that you want the translations branch to be related to.
[09:05] <jtv> (I'm also on the phone, sorry)
[09:05] <rioch> (no problem. I can wait. reply when ur ready. I have tonsilitus so im not going anywhere)
[09:05] <jtv> ouch
[09:06] <rioch> (very indeed ouch)
[09:08] <rioch> So I do bzr branch to create a new branch. What do I do to make it the same as the devel branch? (sorry im very new to bzr)
[09:15] <jtv> rioch: if your development branch has URL lp:~rioch/project/trunk-branch and your translations branch is lp:~rioch/project/translations then you can run this on your local machine: "bzr branch lp:~rioch/project/trunk-branch translations ; cd translations ; push --use-existing-dir --remember lp:~rioch/project/translations"
[09:15] <jtv> rioch: what that does is:
[09:15] <jtv> 1. Create a kind of "child branch" of trunk-branch.
[09:16] <jtv> 2. Go into that branch (it's a directory on your local system)
[09:16] <jtv> 3. Push a copy of that branch onto Launchpad, to be used as your translations branch, with the URL you've reserved for it by registering a branch.
[09:17] <jtv> (The "push" command line should be the one shown on the LP page for your translations branch)
[09:18] <rioch> I suppose that if I make changes to my trunk, and relation is automatically dealt with?
[09:19] <jtv> rioch: no, because merges can lead to conflicts and a human needs to deal with those or bad things happen.
[09:20] <rioch> so everytime I update my trunk, I also need to make the same update to my translations branch
[09:21] <jtv> In practice, there really shouldn't be any need.
[09:21] <jtv> Only if you want your translations branch to have all the latest source, all the time.
[09:22] <rioch> I just imagine that when my translations change and are automatically exported, when I merge that with the trunk, there will be a conflict because the translations branch will have old source.
[09:22] <jtv> rioch: nope.  :)  bzr will see that your translations branch has no _changes_ to make to the source, and so not touch it.
[09:23] <jtv> rioch: it's different if you also edit the source code in the _translations_ branch (which you definitely shouldn't), or if you also edit the translations in the development branch.
[09:23] <jtv> But if you edit the translations in the development branch, and you've got automatic translations import set up, then they will automatically flow into the LP translations db and from there on into your translations branch anyway.
[09:25] <rioch> ahhh ok I see. in which case you are right, i never need my translations branch to be up to date.
[09:26] <rioch> at the moment, my trunk on my machine contains a whole bunch of changes. I suppose I could just pull the original trunk and then follow the instructions above? Or should I wait until I push my changes?
[09:27] <jtv> rioch: that's a bit hard for me to say much about since I have no idea what the relationship between those branches is, or what you want them to be.  *But* all that's really fundamentally needed is that the translations branch and the branch you use for development have a common ancestor somewhere in their family trees.
[09:29] <rioch> ok, I'll wait until I push this code in. after that it should be straight forward
[13:54] <Some_Person> Whenever someone adds any of my PPAs, they see this: gpg: key A224E3DB: public key "Launchpad Fix for ubuntulooks GTK theme engine" imported
[13:54] <Some_Person> How can I change that "Launchpad Fix for ubuntulooks GTK theme engine" part?
[14:13] <rye> Hello. In case someone has got a link to an attachment from a bug report, he/she might download that even if the report is marked as private. Is there a bug report related to this behavior?
[14:16] <sinzui> Some_Person: I think that is the display name of your PPA. You change use the Change details link to set the text.
[14:17] <sinzui> rye. this is a known and common issue
[14:17]  * sinzui looks for report
[14:18] <sinzui> rye: bug 39674
[14:18] <rye> sinzui, thanks! Will add myself as 'affected'
[14:19] <sinzui> thanks rye
[14:19] <Some_Person> sinzui: But the same thing appears for *all* my PPAs
[14:20] <sinzui> Some_Person: Is that the description of your gpg key?
[14:20] <bigjools> Some_Person: the GPG description takes the name of the first PPA you activated
[14:20] <bigjools> it can't be changed unfortunately
[14:21] <sinzui> So users how get my key to my ppa see "Hacking keys"? I hope my users know the difference between a hacker and cracker.
[14:25] <akheron> Some_Person: bug 471225
[14:35] <Some_Person> wow, how did my karma go from 576 last night to 684 now?
[14:44] <persia> Some_Person: Your karma is based not only on your actions, but on the current and historical actions of everyone else using launchpad.  There's no possible way to answer that question without days of research in the databse.
[14:59] <nigelb> vish: I've not seen @ubuntu email used from yahoo
[14:59] <nigelb> try chaning to gmail and working from there
[14:59] <nigelb> (it would take 2 days for LP to adjust to email change though)
[14:59] <vish> nigelb: i asked herb but he mentioned my id was active :(  but the mails still fail
[15:00] <nigelb> vish: I think its failing has something to do with yahoo, but I'm not sure
[15:01] <vish> nigelb: hmm.. maybe i should change my mail id , and my lp name has dots too , which might be also causing errors :(
[15:01] <nigelb> I had gmail and it works great
[15:02] <nigelb> in fact, I already changed upstream bug tracker mail IDs
[15:02] <vish> nigelb: try sending mail to my id and see what happens
[15:02] <nigelb> vish@ubuntu.com?
[15:02] <vish> Nicke: try vish@ or vish...@
[15:02] <vish> oopns nigelb ^
[15:02] <persia> So, 1) the target of an @ubuntu.com email oughtn't matter, and 2) LP doesn't do the email anyway.
[15:03] <nigelb> yeah, but the cron works from LP
[15:11] <nigelb> vish: sending faied
[15:11] <vish> :s
[15:12] <nigelb> vish: you might make use of this http://pastebin.com/Mfm6TFs1
[15:12] <vish> nigelb: yeah , i'v seen that already , its the same i get too :)
[16:10] <Laney> is it possible to subscribe teams to packages using the LP API?
[16:24] <sinzui> Laney: yes https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/#distribution_source_package  addBugSubscription(team)
[16:24] <Laney> sinzui: nice
[16:56] <jussi01> hrm, just got an oops. (Error ID: OOPS-1536EC767) - do you want a bug? ( I just tried to acceess a LP profile).
[17:18] <sinzui> jussi01: This  bug is already reported
[17:18] <sinzui> jussi01: bug 538207
[17:19] <sinzui> jussi01: Edge will be updated tomorrow and all the project pages will be fixed
[17:21] <jussi01> sinzui: thanks
[17:25] <davidstrauss> Why do I not have short, pretty branch names "lp:economist-magic" here? https://code.launchpad.net/economist-magic
[17:28] <persia> davidstrauss: Did you define a trunk target?
[17:29] <davidstrauss> persia: yes
[17:29] <persia> Hrm.  That ought work.  Maybe because they are only private?
[17:29] <davidstrauss> persia: It even says "Series: trunk" under the branch on the listing
[17:29]  * persia isn't sure
[17:29] <persia> And does lp:economist-magic not just work?
[17:31] <davidstrauss> Curium:Economist straussd$ bzr co lp:economist-magic test123
[17:31] <davidstrauss> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:economist-magic": The Economist Online has no default branch.
[17:32] <sinzui> davidstrauss: visit the truck series and choose the (+) Set branch link
[17:33] <davidstrauss> I don't see that option
[17:33] <davidstrauss> sinzui: ^^
[17:34] <sinzui> davidstrauss: Sorry,  (/) Change branch underneath the long and yet incomplete instructions to associate the branch with this series
[17:35] <davidstrauss> sinzui: I still don't understand
[17:35] <davidstrauss> I'm here: https://launchpad.net/economist-magic/trunk
[17:36] <sinzui> davidstrauss: Do you see a link the "change branch" at the bottom of the "Code for this series" section?
[17:36] <davidstrauss> sinzui: no
[17:37] <davidstrauss> sinzui: I can change the branch by editing the "details"
[17:39] <sinzui> davidstrauss: Yes try that link/ This is troubling, you are an admin of the team that owns the project and thus the owner of this series. You should have a (/) Change branch link in the "Code for this series" section
[17:39] <sinzui> davidstrauss: can you access the page directly: https://launchpad.net/economist-magic/trunk/+linkbranch ?
[17:40] <davidstrauss> sinzui: The text "change branch link" does not occur on the series page
[17:40] <davidstrauss> sinzui: the direct link works for me
[17:40] <sinzui> yet I can see it (but I do not have permission to use it)
[17:41] <sinzui> I think the permissions on the link has changed because I should not see it, you should
[17:41] <davidstrauss> sinzui: I still see long branch names
[17:43] <sinzui> they will not shorten, they are not the projects branch, but your projects focus of development branch will be listed as lp:economist-magic . I do not see that you have set the branch though
[17:43] <davidstrauss> sinzui: the "focus of development" is the trunk series
[17:44] <sinzui> yes, but the series must be linked to a branch, this chain creates the short url
[17:44] <davidstrauss> sinzui: And the series *is* linked to a branch
[17:45] <sinzui> davidstrauss: maybe this is a privacy issue, because I still see a message that the branch has not been set and I see
[17:45] <sinzui> "If the code is already in a Bazaar branch registered with Launchpadlink the branch to this series." with the last part being a link to a page I do not have permission to set
[17:46] <davidstrauss> sinzui: It is linked to a private branch
[17:46] <sinzui> davidstrauss: I think you should talk to thumper when he gets online in a few hours. I think private branches are confusing the page
[18:25] <deryck> bdmurray, ping
[18:26] <bdmurray> deryck: on a call
[18:26] <deryck> bdmurray, cool
[18:26] <deryck> bdmurray, ping me when you have a minute
[18:30] <kamalm> Hi LP folks -- a user asked me to enable the Translations interface for the project https://launchpad.net/fldigi so that he could start working on translations for it.  I did enable translations (i think) but do I also need to associate a branch with the "trunk series" for the project in order for the translations interface to be usable?  (I'm a bit confused about the "trunk series" in general, and I have no experience at all with LP tr
[18:43] <sinzui> kamalm: It is okay to be confused about the word "trunk". Launchpad really wants you to complete a chain of things that clearly state where the primary code for your project is
[18:43] <sinzui> kamalm: we often say "trunk" because launchpad creates a series named trunk and sets it as your project's focus of development
[18:45] <dpm> kamalm, I can only answer what's strictly related to translations. If the code is not hosted in Launchpad, the easiest thing might be to just upload a POT template to expose translations. You'll find more info there -> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject. Otherwise, you can request your external branch to get mirrored in Launchpad and set up the project so that translations are imported automatically from there. Additionally, you can set up
[18:45] <dpm>  a separate bzr branch to get the translations committed to and then you can fetch them from there and merge them in your external branch
[18:48] <kamalm> sinzui, dpm: well, the upstream code seems to just be available in tarball form (would it be right (or possible) to make the Trunk point to a URL to a tarball?)
[18:48] <kamalm> But the code *is* already in bzr, at: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fldigi    Can we use that as the "source" to base translations from?  (again, sorry that I don't really know how this works -- I'm just trying to enable it for another user, and the upstream project isn't actually mine or anything either).
[18:48] <sinzui> kamalm: That code is a package, not a source tree
[18:49] <bdmurray> deryck: I have a minute ;-)
[18:49] <dpm> kamalm, in that case, I'd first contact the upstream developers if they want to use Launchpad for translations
[18:50] <sinzui> kamalm: The branches associated with the package are usually packages that apply patches to the real source. So yes, the code it in the package, but it is not the true development trunk. I think you want to setup an import of the upstream's trunk
[18:52] <kamalm> dpm: okay I will put the user who wanted this in touch with the upstream devs (its possible that he already is), and will point him to the help link, and will share this conversation with him -- we will take it from there.
[18:52] <kamalm> sinzui: Is it possible to set up an import from an upstream that just distributes a tarball?
[18:53] <dpm> kamalm, sure, no worries. Feel free to ping me as well, if I can help in anything translations-related
[18:54] <CardinalFang> Hey!  I want to make a new "stable" branch for what is going to be Ubuntu 10.04 of my tree in LP.
[18:54] <CardinalFang> I tried to do this with U 9.10, but it didn't turn out as I expected.
[18:54] <CardinalFang> https://edge.launchpad.net/desktopcouch
[18:54] <CardinalFang> See the graph.
[18:54] <kamalm> dpm, sinzui: thanks for your help!
[18:54] <dpm> you're welcome :-)
[18:55] <CardinalFang> Did I do something wrong?  Should I use "Register a Series" to do that?
[18:56] <sinzui> CardinalFang: I think you mean that you want to create a stable branch and *series*. You can create a series and set its status to stable, then link it to the branch that is stable.
[18:58] <CardinalFang> sinzui, should I be concerned about the disjoint graph on that project I mentioned.  Scroll all the way to the left.
[18:58] <sinzui> I see
[19:00] <sinzui> CardinalFang: There is nothing you can do, and while I think this is an awkward display, I cannot say it is wrong.
[19:02] <sinzui> CardinalFang: the stable series may always have fewer milestones that the development branch. Many project separate series (0.4, 0.5, 0.6) for  development, with only one being development at one time (0.6), and the older development series are changes to stable status
[19:03] <sinzui> CardinalFang: this approach happens naturally when you create leading series that you plan features in. In the case of trailing series (stable is created after the development work), the project either ignores the issue or moved the milestones to another series.
[19:04] <CardinalFang> sinzui, Okay.  I need to think about this.
[19:12] <JeanFI> Hello, is there any documentation about the lauchpad status? More exactly I would like to know if I am supposed or not to change a bug marked 'incomplete' after completing the information
[19:16] <nigelb> JeanFI: ubuntu bug?
[19:16] <JeanFI> nigelb, yes
[19:17] <nigelb> JeanFI: if you have given all requested info, change back to New
[19:17] <nigelb> JeanFI: and you can ask about ubuntu bugs in #ubuntu-bugs
[19:18] <JeanFI> nigelb, ok, thanks for the response and sorry to not have asked it in the appropriate #canal
[19:18] <nigelb> JeanFI: if you can give bug number, I can give a try at triaging it
[19:19] <JeanFI> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emacs23/+bug/538541
[19:44] <davidstrauss> thumper: Can you check on why the branches for economist-magic don't have short names "lp:economist-magic"?
[19:45] <thumper> davidstrauss: probably because it is a private branch
[19:45] <thumper> davidstrauss: there is an outstanding bug on how to fix this
[19:45] <davidstrauss> thumper: ok
[19:45] <davidstrauss> thumper: I remember it shortening the branch names before
[21:06] <cjohnston> Is there a list of all MLs hosted by LP?
[22:42] <sinzui> cjohnston: no there is not
[22:45] <cjohnston> thanks sinzui
[22:46] <cjohnston> Are there any people with access to this info who could estimate for me the number of locos that use LP for their ML?
[22:47] <lifeless> 0
[22:47] <sinzui> None
[22:47] <lifeless> I don't have the info, but all ubuntu-* lists are done on lists.ubuntu.com, not launchpad.
[22:47] <sinzui> cjohnston: Ubuntu does not want its teams to use launchpad for lists
[22:48] <sinzui> cjohnston: There is a message about this on the page to create a mailing list.
[22:49] <cjohnston> Ok.. Thanks
[22:49] <cjohnston> and btw.. its atleast 1... our team uses both..
[22:54] <sinzui> cj There may be 6 based on some old data, but the Ubunut policy is not to use them, so the lists may be dormant.
[22:55] <sinzui> cjohnston: This one is active: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ru-loco-nsk/
[22:56] <cjohnston> ok.. thanks.. so is the FL one... I just wanted to get a few stats..
[22:56] <cjohnston> because I want to move from two lists to one
[23:08] <cjohnston> sinzui: is there anywhere other than the page for creating a ML that this is mentioned? I can't find anything to show..