[00:00] <DSpair> artisan: Definitely.
[00:19] <atrus> is there a better channel for ubuntu-netbookremix questions? trying to sort out why my titlebars aren't getting hidden by maximus...
[00:27] <Spirits-Sight> Hi I am getting this error when trying to connect to a CE device "Could not display "synce://christopher-e/".  Nautilus cannot handle "synce" locations.
[00:27] <BUGabundo> sleeping beauty time
[00:27] <BUGabundo> cu guys and gals in a few hours
[00:39] <douglasawh> there appears be a bug in the Swedish apt-get
[00:39] <douglasawh> it asks for 'J' but only accepts 'y' for yes...anyone else seen that?
[00:40] <fabio666> douglasawh: lost in traslation
[00:40] <douglasawh> fabio666: should I file it as a translation bug or an apt bug?
[00:40] <fabio666> not sure
[00:41] <fabio666> maybe apt
[00:42] <douglasawh> cool gonna wait for these updates to run, confirm, then file
[00:42] <fabio666> there is locale stuff int the apt package
[00:43] <fabio666> the bug is there i suppose
[00:52] <Spirits-Sight> I am getting this erro any help would be grateful: Nautilus cannot handle "synce" locations.
[00:56] <fabio666> never get synce working that way
[01:00] <Spirits-Sight> Hi
[01:00] <Spirits-Sight> why not?  how can I explore the files then?
[01:02] <fabio666> ok
[01:03] <fabio666> i use synce-serial-start / synce-serial-abort to start close a connection
[01:03] <fabio666> a long time ago when i had this smartphone
[01:03] <fabio666> then you can use synce-pls (for listing), synce-pcp , etc
[01:03] <Spirits-Sight> its funny because that did not work for me :(
[01:04] <fabio666> but the synce:// pseudo filesystem would be a lot better
[01:04] <fabio666> you need to start the oddcm demon
[01:04] <Spirits-Sight> my device is connected NP using synce-hal
[01:04] <Spirits-Sight> when I used the odccm it did not work
[01:04] <fabio666> synce-hal didn't work for me
[01:05] <Spirits-Sight> I do wish that they would fouce on improving sycn, as it would help in making the system more mainstream
[01:07] <Spirits-Sight> So I been reading and at a loss now
[01:25] <daniskami> Hi everybody. Is there a schedule for Xubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) yet?
[01:42] <KB1JWQ> daniskami: Has been for a while, the 29th of next month it releases.
[01:44] <daniskami> KB1JWQ:  ah, thanks, I finally found the alpha: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/lucid/alpha-3/
[01:44] <daniskami> it was a bit quiet on the official Xubuntu page
[01:45] <anichols> Wasn't Beta 1 due to be released today?
[01:46] <ajmitch> anichols: no, thursday
[01:47] <happyface> is there a legit reason why pidgin was replaced with empathy?
[01:47] <anichols> ajmitch: Thank you...got my days confused.
[01:47] <anichols> happyface: What's empathy?
[01:47] <happyface> anichols: a chat client
[01:50] <anichols> happyface: Comparable to Pidgin?  Better? Worse? Just different?
[01:52] <happyface> anichols: it's very comparable to pidgin, but seems less polished and stuff
[01:52] <happyface> so I don't understand the switch
[01:52] <balas> anyone know if its possible to have multiple home page urls open with firefox 3.6 ?
[01:52] <happyface> balas: use use commas
[01:52] <balas> thank you
[01:53] <happyface> balas: or open up the tabs you want and click "use current"
[01:53] <happyface> balas: if commas dont work try colons
[01:55] <anichols> happyface: You can always uninstall this 'Empathy' and reinstall 'Pidgin', I presume?
[01:57] <balas> thanks
[01:57] <happyface> yes I can. I'm just wondering why the switch, though
[02:23] <DanaG> I'd hardly call empathy comparable to Pidgin -- it's severely lacking in features.
[02:24] <DanaG> And last time I tried, the first-run wizard didn't even offer IRC at all!
[02:33] <cef> DanaG: meh.. who uses IRC anymore anyway! *snerk*
[02:36] <Damascene> hi,
[02:36] <Damascene> I've noticed that the sound indicator is in mute state by default
[02:37] <ddecator> Damascene: if you change the volume, and the indicator shows it, does it get reset to mute after a while?
[02:38] <Damascene> yes it reset it but I don't think it get to mute after that
[02:38] <happyface> that happens to me all the time too
[02:38] <ddecator> no, the actual volume doesn't change, the indicator just does. i get the same thing, but i haven't looked for a bug report yet
[02:38] <happyface> i'm sure it's reported
[02:38] <ddecator> i would hope
[02:39] <Damascene> so we all have this
[02:39] <ddecator> ya, i didn't notice it until a couple of days ago, but i autohide my panel so idk when it actually started
[02:40] <ddecator> i'll find a report in a sec...
[02:40] <Damascene> I just wanted to try to play sound while it's muted. but now I've to restart logout again
[02:40] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/537977
[02:40] <Damascene> is it?
[02:42] <happyface> i just installed yesterday and it's always happened
[02:42] <ddecator> the fix just got released today
[02:42] <happyface> :D saweet
[02:42] <ddecator> 8 hours ago, so you should be able to get it soon if not now
[02:42] <Damascene> I wonder what will happen to the internet without google
[02:43] <ddecator> what do you mean?
[02:43] <Damascene> no search engine is able to give you accurate result as google
[02:43] <Damascene> it showed it at the top of the search result
[02:46] <Damascene> just tried yahoo for the same search gets no were
[02:46] <ddecator> i guess bing is decent
[02:48] <Damascene> sound indicator icon is muted in lucid by default >>> is what I searched for
[02:48] <Damascene> only google found it
[02:49] <Damascene> it's freaking I think. we should get google knowledge because it's too powerful :)
[02:49] <happyface> Damascene: did you try bing and yahoo! and only google got it?
[02:50] <Damascene> yes
[02:50] <Damascene> I only looked at the first search page
[02:51] <yofel> happyface: actually it seems he's right (I used http://www.ranks.nl/cgi-bin/ranksnl/tools/compare_me.cgi?fav=gyb to test it)
[02:51] <yofel> odd thoug
[02:51] <yofel> h
[02:55] <Damascene> what is ambiance and default when I want to open a new tab?
[02:55] <happyface> Damascene: happens to me too, a bug i think
[02:56] <Damascene> :S
[02:56] <happyface> Damascene: it's two profiles but they keep getting regenerated if u make em
[02:56] <happyface> Damascene: ambience is lucid's purple look
[02:56] <Damascene> I don't know if it's a bug or not but it's really shouldn't be there.
[02:56] <happyface> bug fo sho
[02:57]  * Damascene heads to google
[02:57] <happyface> report back :D
[02:58] <Damascene> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8944731
[03:02] <Damascene> seems not reported yet
[03:08] <happyface> Damascene: cool thanks
[03:08] <happyface> Damascene: what does this guy mean? "Thank You for this thread. I, finally, realized why my window switching (when Terminal is present) is sluggish. It is, simply put, because Ambient profile pushed itself on gnome-terminal. Once I'm back to Default, everything is as it used to be... Great to have things back as they should be..."
[03:09] <Damascene> I've no idea
[03:11] <Spirits-Sight> how can I install synce-gvfs in lucid?
[03:13] <Vigo> Hello, the Live CD Lucid, would not load at boot, Install and such, is this my my hardware or is this a known issue or should I download/burn again?
[03:16] <Volkodav> anybody had the boot stall with ureadahead error ?
[03:17] <crimsun> that isn't an error (ureadahead)
[03:17] <Volkodav> well the system does not boot
[03:18] <Volkodav> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1420621
[03:18] <Volkodav> I have the same error but the fix does not work
[03:19] <Vigo> Ok, so it is not just me.
[03:19] <Volkodav> It may be a combination with plymouth too
[03:20] <Volkodav> I will uninstall this sucker for now
[03:21] <Sensiva> Anyone here installed Lucid on vbox?
[03:21] <Spirits-Sight> how can I install synce-gvfs in lucid?
[03:21] <Spirits-Sight> is there a way to install from past verison of Ubuntu?
[03:23] <Volkodav> Vigo - you have readahead stall too ?
[03:25] <Vigo> Volkadov: I get nothing, no prompt no anything, was going to try CLI next attempt.
[04:07] <DanaG> weird: the 2.6.34-rc1 mainline kernel from "kernel-ppa" (that really isn't a ppa) doesn't have ricoh_mmc driver.
[04:10] <crimsun> (it isn't a public ppa)
[04:15] <DanaG> ah.
[04:16] <DanaG> anyway, ricoh did something stupid with their sd card controller: they have both a standard SDHCI controller and their own controller... but their own controller takes priority.
[04:16] <kermiac_> anyone seeing messed up fonts in lucid? http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=1377
[04:16] <DanaG> So, we need a driver to explicitly DISABLE the proprietary controller to allow the standard one to be used.
[04:17] <Volkodav> putting /dev/sdx  instead of UUID in /etc/fstab took care of my mountall stall at boot
[04:19] <Some_Person> kermiac: No, I'm not seeing that
[04:19] <maco> crimsun: whats that fuser command you want me to tell people?
[04:19] <kermiac> probably an ati thing :(
[04:20] <maco> crimsun: i have learned thus far "dont tell people the old command crimsun said" but havent yet learned the new one :P
[04:21]  * Some_Person is happy to have a normal SD card reader, and is successfully running an entire ubuntu install from it
[04:22] <Some_Person> I'm actually going to keep an SD install of ubuntu at all times: It beats the heck out of using the live CD
[04:26] <DanaG> I wonder... if I were to try an SDIO card (that is, something such as GPS or Wifi)... would it work?
[04:26] <DanaG> In Linux... probably.
[04:26] <DanaG> In Windows?  Depends on how stupid Ricoh is.
[04:27] <xsacha> hey i just updated my lucid system and now when i boot it stays on console (until i alt+ctrlf7) and says *ERROR* Raw EDID a few times
[04:27] <xsacha> any ideas?
[04:29] <xsacha> also, somehow my maximise, minimise and close icons are on the left hand side instead of the right hand side. anyone know how to change it back?
[04:29] <Some_Person> xsacha: I made a PPA to fix it
[04:30] <Some_Person> https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[04:30] <xsacha> thx
[04:31] <Some_Person> (note that the developers actually prefer it the other way, and as far as I can tell, by default it's unlikely to change)
[04:33] <xsacha> are you serious? this is the new ubuntu window controls?
[04:33] <xsacha> doesnt even make sense.. it's so hard to close a window now. they atleast need to make the close button the first button on the left
[04:34] <Some_Person> xsacha: I totally agree
[04:34] <xsacha> isn't there some design protocol for this? where you need to be able to throw your mouse to the corner and be able to close a window?
[04:34] <Some_Person> Again, I agree
[04:35] <Some_Person> My PPA moves the buttons to the right and puts them in their karmic order
[04:35] <Okidesu> is ALSA development dead ?!
[04:35] <Some_Person> I could have put them on the left, but it would have meant even more graphical changes
[04:35] <xsacha> installing..
[05:04] <Some_Person> Can I add a PPA intended for karmic to my lucid system?
[05:04] <Okidesu> I just installed Totem player, but nothing was added in Sound & Video section, then installed Amarok and nothing appeared again
[05:04] <Okidesu> is this a bug ?
[05:05] <Some_Person> There are menu problems, yes
[05:05] <Okidesu> should i report this or anything ?
[05:05] <ZykoticK9> Okidesu, try refreshing the panel with the command "killall gnome-panel" and see if they show up
[05:05] <Some_Person> See if they appear in the Menu Editor. If so, uncheck then check and it'll appear
[05:05] <Some_Person> or do what ZykoticK9 said
[05:06] <Okidesu> ZykoticK9, thanks they showed up now :)
[05:06] <ZykoticK9> Okidesu, this has been a common issues with Karmic and Lucid
[05:06] <Some_Person> I never had this issue in karmic
[05:07] <ZykoticK9> Okidesu, logging out and back in would accomplish the same thing, or you can typically run "xkill" and just click on the panel.
[05:08] <Okidesu> ZykoticK9, well i installed pulseaudio controls right before that and they showed up without problems
[05:08] <Okidesu> so iw as wondering what's going on :)
[05:08] <Some_Person> Hmm, I wonder if there's a way around logging out and back in for my PPA that fixes the min/max/close buttons
[05:08] <Okidesu> also Rythmbox doesn't output 5.1 when 5.1 is active in Pulse and Asla it outputs 4 channels without subwoofer, no idea if that's normal or not
[05:08] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, instant fix would be to run: gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[05:09] <Some_Person> ZykoticK9: That makes the buttons display wrong though
[05:09] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, with the new theme - probably
[05:09] <Some_Person> I fixed that in my PPA
[05:10] <DanaG> yeah, somebody at Canonical seems to like forcing his button preferences down everybody else's throats.
[05:10] <benje2> two ice1712 working in lucid witouh pulseaudio http://img692.imageshack.us/i/70600424.png/$
[05:11] <Some_Person> DanaG: Possibly Mark Shuttleworth himself: Bug #110 on this page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633
[05:11] <Okidesu> oh dear... i just minimized Amarok and it disappeared lol no icon in systry :)
[05:12] <Some_Person> Okidesu: You should probably file bugs for all these things you keep mentioning
[05:13] <Okidesu> Some_Person, is this Lucid bug or Amarok bug ? or Rythmbox bug ?
[05:13] <Some_Person> Okidesu: No icon in the notification area is probably an amarok bug
[05:14] <ZykoticK9> Okidesu, until the apport bug is fixed i really wouldn't bother trying to submit bugs - will make a lot of extra work for everyone involved (unless it's a CRITICAL bug)
[05:14] <Some_Person> apport-collect in the terminal works for me
[05:14] <Okidesu> ZykoticK9, yeah i will wait until Lucid final is released
[05:15] <DanaG> My issue is that it FORCIBLY changes settings.
[05:15] <DanaG> OOps, you wanted them on the right?  Too bad.  Left they go!
[05:15] <Some_Person> DanaG: Use my PPA if you want it back to karmic ways
[05:15] <ZykoticK9> Okidesu, don't wait until FINAL!  Just report when you can (which really isn't right now - unless you want a lot of work)
[05:15] <DanaG> What, you don't use light-themes?  SCrew you.
[05:15] <DanaG> I don't use those themes at all, actually -- aside from the buttons, I find them ugly.
[05:16] <Okidesu> ZykoticK9, ok i will wait until the bug report app is fixed :)
[05:16] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, you're preaching to the converted - almost no one likes the change - but Ubuntu != Democracy
[05:16] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:16] <Some_Person> Okidesu: You can report through launchpad.net now, then run ``apport-collect xxxxxx'' in your terminal (xxxxxx being the bug number)
[05:16] <DanaG> If it weren't for Debian tending to have really old versions of stuff (such as Mesa and such), I'd almost go back to Debian.
[05:17] <Okidesu> Some_Person but Amarok doesn't crash it just doesn't show icon in systry so without crash how will the crash app tool collect anything !?
[05:17] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, i'm sure this change is going to make many people switch distros, and i'm not sure it's going to bring many more people in?!?
[05:17] <Some_Person> Okidesu: It gives info on your system and what you have installed
[05:17] <DanaG> I mean, buttons on the left... fine -- IF you match the incumbent, OS X.
[05:18] <Some_Person> DanaG: I agree
[05:18] <Okidesu> Oh btw is there a way to remove pulseaudio ? Q_______Q
[05:18] <DanaG> A bad imitation is worse than no imitation at all.
[05:18] <Okidesu> Some_Person, oh ok
[05:18] <DanaG> Same is true of things like the wannabe-mac themes for both KDE and Gnome.
[05:18] <ZykoticK9> Okidesu, ask benje2
[05:18] <DanaG> Ironically, the best wannabe-mac themes I've ever seen... are all Windowblinds themes.
[05:18] <DanaG> gpg: key A224E3DB: public key "Launchpad Fix for ubuntulooks GTK theme engine" imported
[05:19] <DanaG> ubuntulooks? =þ
[05:19] <Okidesu> benje2 helloo, is it possible to remove pulseaudio ?
[05:19] <Some_Person> DanaG: My first ever PPA
[05:19] <Some_Person> DanaG: just ignore that
[05:19] <DanaG> oh, and the new plymouth theme -- the "progress bar" that loops... looks bad.
[05:20] <DanaG> it should look "indeterminate"... not go from 0% to 100% over and over.
[05:21] <DanaG> yeah, I was teasing about "ubuntulooks" =þ
[05:22] <Some_Person> DanaG: That was a theme engine, that had a weird and totally useless conflict with human-theme in karmic
[05:22] <DanaG> ah.
[05:22] <Some_Person> I made a PPA to fix that, and somehow now everyone sees that in my GPG key
[05:23] <maco> it wasnt useless...
[05:23] <maco> ubuntulooks was a fork of clearlooks that human was based on historically
[05:23] <benje2> Okidesu: yes
[05:23] <Some_Person> maco: But the "Conflicts" line was useless in karmic
[05:23] <maco> human moved to regular clearlooks and ubuntulooks was abandoned, so the conflict made sure to get rid of the no-longer-supported theme engine
[05:24] <Some_Person> maco: But some themes (even in the repos) still used it
[05:24] <maco> O_o really?
[05:24] <maco> wow
[05:24] <Some_Person> maco: blubuntu for example
[05:24] <maco> bah
[05:24]  * maco wanders back to kubuntu land
[05:24] <Some_Person> There were several others
[05:25]  * DanaG really wishes somebody would make an ARM thingy that could run compiz.
[05:25] <benje2> Okidesu: you can stop it by changing one config option in /etc/pulse/client.conf and by killing it, or select in your session preferences to not start it
[05:25] <benje2> Okidesu: set "autospawn = no"
[05:26] <Some_Person> "  Uploading supertux_0.3.3-SVN~r6613.tar.gz: 229652073k/74782k"
[05:27] <Some_Person> bug in dput?
[05:28] <MJEvans> !daily
[05:29] <benje2> to see two ewx2496 (ice1712) under lucid get out $ at end of precedent link - real link http://img692.imageshack.us/i/70600424.png/ pretty no ? :)
[05:29] <DanaG> heh, my accelerometer is sensitive enough to sense my keypresses.
[05:29] <DanaG> er, my laptop's accelerometer, rather.
[05:29] <Some_Person> DanaG: Laptops have accelerometers?
[05:30] <DanaG> Some do.
[05:30] <benje2> it's if you run with it :)
[05:30] <Some_Person> what the heck for?
[05:30] <DanaG> Apple, Lenovo (Thinkpad), and some HP (mostly the business ones) do.
[05:30] <DanaG> It's for parking the hard drive -- though in my case, there's no Linux software to watch the accelerometer. :(
[05:30] <DanaG> my case being HP.
[05:31] <benje2> for military conpound i understand but for the other don't know what for
[05:32] <benje2> good night all and thanks
[05:32] <Some_Person> heh, my mod of light-themes even makes it look better when you only have minimize and close buttons
[05:33] <DanaG> It's good for in case of dropping.
[05:34] <DanaG> What the HP "3D DriveGuard" Windows software does: carrying the laptop with the lid closed, on battery, KEEPS the hard drive parked (blocks reads and writes!) until you stop moving for a while or open the lid.
[05:34] <DanaG> And, it acts as a joystick in Linux. =þ
[05:34] <DanaG> yay, neverball.
[05:35] <Some_Person> DanaG: As far as I know, you're the 3rd person to try my PPA (other than myself). Does it work?
[05:37] <DanaG> hmm, I had already reset my gconf, but I'll try to "unset" it.
[05:38] <DanaG> yeah, it has menu:min,max,close
[05:38] <DanaG> once I unset.
[05:38] <DanaG> I had set it to min,max,min,close just for the heck of it -- though it didn't put two of the same button in actuality.
[05:38] <DanaG> anyway, off to bed I go, soon.
[05:38] <DanaG> Mon Mar 15 22:38:54 PDT 2010
[05:48] <Okidesu> benje2 helloo, how can i get rid of pulse audio? :)
[05:48] <Okidesu> woosh gone :)
[05:49] <Okidesu> oh and it seams that the version in Lucid for Amarok is 2.2..... and the current release is 2.3
[05:49] <Okidesu> can't figure out how to update is since they have kubuntu repository only o-o
[05:51] <Okidesu> oh wait :) actually when i activate the Systry icon of Amarok something changes
[05:51] <Okidesu> as far as i can se there's no icon but there's like a little space of 2mm in systry where i can click and get the Amarok menu
[06:30] <xsacha> hey.. how do u disable kernel modesetting?
[07:06] <Okidesu> Is it me or the amd64 version is reading/writing files in a different way?
[07:07] <Okidesu> What i mean is that using 32bit version the HDD can be barely heard when updating the system for example
[07:08] <Okidesu> but with 64bit, when updating it makes terrible noise and slows overall responsiveness too ...
[07:08] <Okidesu> anyone with the same observations?
[07:08] <ddecator> i don't have a 32bit build to compare it with
[07:08] <Jordan_U> Okidesu: My guess is that there is another difference between the installs that is actually making the difference ( I'm not noticing any difference myself )
[07:09] <JoshuaL> is it safe to upgrade when using a nvidia card?
[07:09] <ddecator> JoshuaL: you mean to lucid?
[07:09] <JoshuaL> yes
[07:09] <ddecator> i've had no trouble =)
[07:09] <JoshuaL> i have a problem with sound at karmic
[07:09] <ddecator> well, other than plymouth...but that's fixed for the majority of people
[07:09] <JoshuaL> when plugging in a external jack it does not work, it still plays sound from the laptop speaker
[07:09] <ddecator> JoshuaL: my graphics have been a lot better with nvidia on lucid
[07:10] <ddecator> that's odd
[07:10] <JoshuaL> ddecator, ok :)
[07:10] <Okidesu> Jordan_U, well both time i did fresh installs with formatting, then i have a pre established routine for updating the system and then making my sound, satellite tv and so on work
[07:10] <Okidesu> Jordan_U, the difference was obvious even when updating the system right after the fresh install
[07:11] <ddecator> songbird needs to build...
[07:11] <Okidesu> Jordan_U, for example the 32 bit scanned the files downloaded and installed them fast, the 64bit was like making sound on each and every file ti downloaded, then terrible sound when installing them
[07:11] <ddecator> my 64bit system has been quick
[07:11] <Okidesu> i'm just wondering where this might be comming from ?
[07:12] <ddecator> no idea
[07:14] <Okidesu> it almost feels like working on a windows system that has not been defragmented for 3 years lol
[07:14] <ddecator> is it really that sluggish?
[07:15] <Okidesu> yep :/
[07:17] <Okidesu> it's like on the 32bit the HDD is silent no matter how much stuff i download and if i have my sat tv working and playing music and watching nasa tv online and another japanese tv online
[07:18] <Okidesu> but with the 64 bit even starting opera i can hear the hdd making that "i'm reading this file" sound lol
[07:18] <Okidesu> and when updating or using many files or something like that it's like "tack tack tack tack tack tack"
[07:18] <ddecator> i've never had that o_O
[07:18] <ddecator> what filesystem?
[07:18] <Okidesu> ext4
[07:18] <ddecator> same here...
[07:19] <Okidesu> oh well :/
[07:23] <Okidesu> btw this happened on 9.10 and 9.04 as well :) but i thought i don't want to be stuck with 32 bit lucid for the next 3 years so i installed the 64 bit :)
[07:25] <xsacha> sucks that solid state drivers dont tell you 'im reading this file'
[07:25] <xsacha> drives
[07:26] <Jordan_U> Okidesu: Can you try with a vanilla kernel ( you can get them from the mainline kernel "ppa" )
[07:29] <Okidesu> Jordan_U umm i really don't want to touch anything because for the first time in 2 or 3 years everything finally works on my system o-o so i guess i will bear with it :)
[07:31] <ddecator> alright folks, songbird failed to build for me again, and it's 2:30am, so i'm off to bed
[07:31] <Okidesu> have nice sleep there :)
[07:32] <Jordan_U> ubottu :(
[08:16] <rye> Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for 0x2c0112d (rtg@buzz: ); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck.
[08:16] <rye> awesome message in ~/.xsession-errors :)
[08:21] <twb> acpid's powerbtn.sh assumes acpi-support is installed, which is not necessarily the case.
[08:39] <tavasti> installer seems to be bit broken, I can't create /boot partition smaller tha 16.8GB on 1T disk
[08:47] <Damascene> tavasti, can you take screen-shot?
[08:48] <tavasti> on alternative installer, text mode
[08:48] <Torch> upgrading lucid just broke it for me on virtualbox. doesn't want to run X anymore. anyone else experienced this and maybe solved?
[08:49] <BUGabundo_remote> 0/
[08:49] <tavasti> Damascene, I can take picture with camera, or does saved install logs help?
[08:50] <ZykoticK9> Torch, are you using the VBox from the repository?  If you you might want to have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/510571
[08:50] <tavasti> Damascene, I tried to create partition with size 200M, 200MB, 1G, 1%, all resulting same 16.8G partition
[08:50] <Damascene> tavasti, that will be better than nothing
[08:54] <Torch> ZykoticK9: thanks,reading the report right now.
[08:54] <ZykoticK9> Torch, if you're using the version from Oracle I don't think it applies FYI
[08:55] <Torch> ZykoticK9: yeah, i do. also, i have 3.1.4 release and this seems to apply to 3.1.4 betas.
[08:55] <ZykoticK9> Torch, 3.1.4 is working fine here
[08:55] <Torch> ZykoticK9: i see a kernel oops on X start
[08:55] <balas> is there a lucid development forum on ubuntuforums.org ?
[08:56] <ZykoticK9> Torch, but this is an upgrade correct?
[08:56] <Torch> ZykoticK9: in which way?
[08:57] <ZykoticK9> balas, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377
[08:57] <Torch> ZykoticK9: it's a lucid install on virtualbox from two months ago i use to track ubuntu development.
[08:57] <balas> thanks
[08:57] <ZykoticK9> Torch, did you upgrade your VM from karmic or something?
[08:57] <Torch> ZykoticK9: no
[08:57] <ZykoticK9> Torch, oh, you mean you updated Lucid and it broke?
[08:57] <Torch> ZykoticK9: yes.
[09:00] <tavasti> Damascene, pictures and logs http://tavasti.fi/~tavasti/ubuntu/installer-20100315/
[09:00] <ZykoticK9> Torch, i'm just seeing if my VM has updates available (especially kernel or xorg updates), it was last updated 13 hours ago
[09:00] <Torch> ZykoticK9: ok
[09:01] <tavasti> Damascene, used cd-image is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20100315/lucid-alternate-amd64.iso
[09:01] <ZykoticK9> Torch, doesn't seem to be anything pertinent to either xorg or kernel?  what error are you getting?
[09:01] <Torch> ZykoticK9: kernel oops. null pointer dereference.
[09:02] <Torch> ZykoticK9: are you running the 2.4.32-16 kernel?
[09:03] <ZykoticK9> Torch, ya in both host & guest
[09:03] <Damascene> tavasti, did you try other than ext4?
[09:03] <ZykoticK9> Torch, have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/virtualbox/+bug/535297
[09:03] <tavasti> Damascene, no, I'll try
[09:04] <Torch> ZykoticK9: might be what i'm experiencing
[09:04] <ZykoticK9> Torch, and you did mean 2.6 right?  ;)
[09:05] <Torch> ZykoticK9: lol ;_) sure.
[09:05] <Damascene> do we have a bug in openoffice regarding auto format no longer working
[09:07] <Torch> is there a way to remove linux-image-2.6.32-16-generic without removing the meta packages for the kernel?
[09:09] <tavasti> Damascene, ext2 and ext3, same result
[09:09] <Damascene> :S I think you should join #ubuntu-bugs and be ready to open new bug
[09:09] <ZykoticK9> Torch, i don't have anything else to suggest - both my host and guest are fully up-to-date and still working.  Hope you find an solution, good luck man.  I'm not sure about your kernel question BTW.
[09:10] <Torch> ZykoticK9: reverting to -15 fixes it
[09:10] <Torch> ZykoticK9: just like the launchpad bug report suggests
[09:10] <ZykoticK9> Torch, nice!
[09:10] <Torch> ZykoticK9: are you on 32 bit?
[09:10] <tavasti> Damascene, however, when there is that 16.8G partition with 16.8G offset, I can create another partition with correct size. So bug happens only when creating first partition to empty disk?
[09:10] <ZykoticK9> Torch, 64
[09:10] <Torch> ZykoticK9: hmm, same here.
[09:11] <Torch> anyway, works for now and hopefully the next kernel release will fix it for real.
[09:11] <Torch> ZykoticK9: thanks for your help.
[09:11] <ZykoticK9> Torch, i didn't really do much.  take care.
[09:11] <Damascene> tavasti, just write all these stuff in one place so you can report it
[09:12] <tavasti> Ok
[09:15] <tavasti> Damascene, what package and version?
[09:16] <tavasti> Damascene, debian-installer ?
[09:17] <Damascene> I suggest you to go to #ubuntu-bugs before you file any bug
[09:17] <tavasti> Damascene, ok
[09:21] <jstephan|w> good morning
[09:22] <jstephan|w> is there any howto which describes the upgrade from hardy to lucid (the current freeze)
[09:22] <rsk> jstephan|w just use update-manager -d untill you are on lucid
[09:23] <jstephan|w> rsk, oh, okay thx
[09:32] <popey> hmm, language-pack-en barfing 'unable to create '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i': Invalid argument
[09:39] <Fersure> I have a question. Why the sudden change in interface? By which I mean where the window control-buttons (minimise, maximise, close buttons) are located? I'm just curious why the developers chose to do this.
[09:40] <Fersure> Maybe if I understood the thinking behind it, I might change my opinion of the change.
[09:40] <Damascene> do we have a bug in openoffice regarding auto format no longer working
[09:41] <Damascene> in calc type any date >> right click on cell >> cells format >> change the format type to what ever you want. nothing change
[09:41] <popey> Fersure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/110
[09:41] <jstephan|w> rsk, is there an update manager for console?
[09:42] <rsk> sure
[09:42] <popey> jstephan|w: yes, you can do "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:42] <rsk> use sudo apt-get upgrade dist-upgrade
[09:42] <rsk> -upgrade
[09:42] <rsk> :f
[09:44] <JoshuaL_> hmm
[09:44] <JoshuaL_> i bought a new laptop yesterdaty
[09:44] <Fersure> popey: Ah, thanks.
[09:44] <jstephan|w> Well, would maybe need to change sources?!?
[09:44] <popey> np
[09:45] <JoshuaL_> im now running lucid, but when i plug in a jack to play sound via external speakers it doesnt work, the sound keeps comming from the laptop
[09:45] <popey> jstephan|w: what are you trying to achieve?
[09:45] <Fersure> One other question. I'd like to help with Ubuntu, but I'd like to help with what needs help the most rather than giving up time to a part of Ubuntu that is already being helped more than enough, if that makes sense.
[09:45] <popey> jstephan|w: ah, you want to upgrade to lucid? in which case do "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[09:45] <jstephan|w> popey, updating hardy tu lucid
[09:45] <popey> !contribute
[09:45] <Fersure> Is there a way to find out what needs help?
[09:45] <popey> Fersure: ^^
[09:46] <BUGabundo_remote> got a memory blank. what's that tool that does traceroute with ncursers in Ubuntu ?
[09:46] <jstephan|w> popey, ah, okay, thx
[09:46] <rsk> Fersure help with getting it to boot in 0.1 seconds and making it run everything better than windows would be a good start
[09:46] <Fersure> popey: Yes, but I'd like to help out with something that's not getting a lot of attention.
[09:46] <Fersure> rsk: Haha. Trust me. If I could, Ubuntu is the distro I'd be informing about it. :P
[09:47] <BUGabundo_remote> jstephan|w: I actually like aptitude more. $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[09:47] <rsk> Fersure that's my point
[09:47] <BUGabundo_remote> it does wonders for a devel release like lucid where depencies brake all the time
[09:47] <rsk> Fersure you can't ask what needs help the most if we don't know what you can do
[09:47] <jstephan|w> BUGabundo_remote, okay
[09:47] <popey> BUGabundo_remote: he's talking about upgrading release, not updating
[09:48] <Fersure> rsk: Ah. Well I'm not -much- of a programmer/scripter, though I'd be willing to give up time in order to learn.
[09:48] <popey> jstephan|w: use do-release-upgrade please, not apt or aptitude to upgrade from hardy to lucid
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-03-16 09:41:50) jstephan|w: rsk, is there an update manager for console?
[09:48] <Fersure> If there's a nice easy way to learn about maintaining packages, etc. I could get into that.
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm replying to this
[09:48] <popey> BUGabundo_remote: scroll back a tiny bit more
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-03-16 09:45:42) popey: jstephan|w: ah, you want to upgrade to lucid? in which case do "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[09:48] <rsk> Fersure there should be howto's yes
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> will sufice
[09:48] <tavasti> Damascene, no comments there, and I have to go, so reported bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/539456
[09:48] <rsk> Fersure also only maintain packages you care about
[09:48]  * popey boggles
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> Fersure: join #ubuntu-motu
[09:48] <jstephan|w> popey, just startet it that way :-)
[09:49] <rsk> Fersure history tells that if you dont use the package it will be maintained badly
[09:49] <popey> jstephan|w: good luck :)
[09:49] <Damascene> tavasti, thanks
[09:49] <Fersure> rsk: Well yes. That's a good point.
[09:49] <Fersure> BUGabundo_remote: Ah, ok.
[09:49] <jstephan|w> popey, its an test system (virtual) snapshots are made, so we will see :-)
[09:49] <popey> :)
[09:50] <rsk> Fersure it's also working against itself
[09:51] <rsk> Fersure the packages you use and like probably others passionate maintain already
[09:51] <rsk> so find that gem :)
[09:51] <Fersure> ok, ty. :)
[09:51] <Fersure> The majority of packages I use are part of the default 'kubuntu-desktop'.
[09:52] <rsk> Fersure one tip is to report bugs on launchpad as you find them
[09:52] <rsk> and be comfortable on how it works
[09:54] <JoshuaL_> i bought a new laptop yesterday, the sound is working fine except when i plug in external speakers. The wont come from the speakers but keeps comming from the laptop instead
[09:54] <rsk> JoshuaL_ and you're using lucid?
[09:54] <JoshuaL_> rsk, yes
[09:54] <rsk> afaik that's a known problem
[09:54] <rsk> search the forums
[09:55] <JoshuaL_> rsk, it also happend on 9.10 :)
[09:56] <Fersure> rsk: I'm fairly familiar with launchpad. Mainly from having a look every now and again. I've found very few bugs, but when I have I've always reported them.
[09:58] <BUGabundo_remote> JoshuaL_: have you tried changing the output ?
[09:58] <JoshuaL_> BUGabundo_remote, chaning it from analog speakers to analog output did the trick! Thanks, altough it would be handy if that did happend automaticly
[10:01] <BUGabundo_remote> JoshuaL_: please ping crimsun on that. run $ ubuntu-bug alsa-core  (or is it alsa-base?)
[10:01] <BUGabundo_remote> we should have ubuntu-bug audio :D
[10:02] <BUGabundo_remote> hey guys FYI http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-explains-why-window.html
[10:02] <JoshuaL_> BUGabundo_remote, its also-base
[10:06] <jstephan|w> well, me again, is there any way to tell the do-release-update script where to store the downloaded data?
[10:06] <Damascene> I've kernel bug or something. reporting suggest this title
[10:06] <Damascene> WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.32/net/wireless/core.c:614 wdev_cleanup_work 0xa7/0xd0  cfg80211
[10:06] <BUGabundo_remote> jstephan|w: AFAIK, NO
[10:06] <Damascene> but there is too many similar reports already
[10:06] <jstephan|w> damn
[10:07] <BUGabundo_remote> jstephan|w: what's up?
[10:07] <BUGabundo_remote> you know you can symlink cache to any where, right?
[10:08] <BUGabundo_remote> Damascene: actually. most of the times, kernel teams rather have separate reports, due to very diff hw
[10:08] <jstephan|w> BUGabundo_remote, well the disksize for the root partition is to small, cause our server virt systems only have about 1,4G or so
[10:08] <Damascene> ok
[10:08] <jstephan|w> and so the update script tells it needs 400MB more in /
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> jstephan|w: symlink /var/cache/apt/archive to any other place with a few free GBs
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> *easy*
[10:09] <jstephan|w> okay, so it stores it in /var/cache/apt/archive , thx
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[10:10] <jstephan|w> thx
[10:10] <JoshuaL_> BUGabundo_remote, i did fill in a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/539464
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> np
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> crimsun: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> JoshuaL_: now you wait for crisum to come back
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> he should be around in 2 or 3 h
[10:11] <JoshuaL_> BUGabundo_remote, and he can do what?
[10:11] <JoshuaL_> is he the sound guru? :P
[10:11] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[10:11] <BUGabundo_remote> he really is, our sound guru
[10:12] <red> When I used Karmic, all other LAN PCs could see my computer directly, network shares, could SSH and ping my PC without problems. After I started to use Lucid I have to first SSH onto my main PC via outside IP, then ping my LAN devices from my main PC, and after that they can SSH and find it from the home network? Anyone know what could be causing that?
[10:13] <JoshuaL_> ohw and i loved to drag windows to other workspaces, now its disabled :(
[10:14] <red> I just get "No route to host" when trying SSH and Destination unreachable with ping.
[10:15] <BUGabundo_remote> wow red... that's mess up
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> JoshuaL_: that's compiz
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> red: check your routing rules or firewall
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> red: $ sudo iptables -L | pastebinit
[10:16] <red> havent touched iptables, BUGabundo_remote, and i only have NAT enabled on my router (which is routing stuff to this PC via the outside IP)
[10:17] <JoshuaL_> and the list with preferences in the preferences is way to long, have to scroll on my laptop to see all available settings :/
[10:17] <jstephan|w> BUGabundo_remote, well no
[10:17] <jstephan|w> BUGabundo_remote, i did the symlink, but he still needs more space in /
[10:18] <jstephan|w> so it seems that /var/cache/apt/archive isnt the needed space
[10:18] <BUGabundo_remote> ehe
[10:18] <BUGabundo_remote> you can symlink the entire /var/cache
[10:18] <red> BUGabundo_remote: http://pastebin.com/B0sZJ4vH
[10:18] <BUGabundo_remote> or /tmp
[10:19] <BUGabundo_remote> red no fw rules there, so its no it
[10:19] <BUGabundo_remote> and route?
[10:20] <red> http://pastebin.com/nhqR3nkn
[10:21] <red> my LAN Ips start from 192.168.0.10 up to 0.30
[10:21] <jstephan|w> still no
[10:21] <red> this one is 0.11
[10:21] <red> the "problem" machine
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> nothing there either
[10:22] <red> 12-15 can all communicate between themselves fine, and so have been guest machines (phones etc)
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm guessing its somewhere in the router?
[10:22] <red> I haven't changed router settings since Karmic and it worked then
[10:22] <red> but idk
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> rebootd it yet?
[10:22] <red> daily
[10:23] <red> it's a telehell afterall
[10:23] <red> WLAN WMM (QOS) disabled aswell
[10:24] <red> ARP tables are showing all the connected devices properly
[10:24] <red> all packet filters mac filters etc set to forward
[10:25] <red> only thing I have enabled is Block WAN requests
[10:36] <Damascene> is there a known bug when empathy has issues if you didn't unlock the keyring
[10:38] <BUGabundo_remote> sorry red, not much I can do in your case
[10:41] <Damascene> bug 468372
[10:43] <winXPuser> installing Firefox got the error:
[10:43] <winXPuser> "/usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[10:43] <winXPuser> what caan I do?
[10:44] <winXPuser> on Lucid
[10:44] <winXPuser> hello?
[10:45] <rsk> winXPuser how did you install it?
[10:46] <winXPuser> it is there by default
[10:46] <winXPuser> then it hang up
[10:46] <winXPuser> then I did in synaptic
[10:46] <winXPuser> apt-get install firefox
[10:47] <winXPuser> ?
[10:47] <rsk> i don't know what you are meaning
[10:47] <rsk> be more specifi
[10:47] <rsk> c
[10:47] <rsk> what is there by default
[10:47] <rsk> what hanged up (how did it hang up)
[10:48] <rsk> you can't do apt-get install firefox in synpatic
[10:48] <rsk> it's a  GUI and dosen't accept that command
[10:48] <rsk> karmic dosen't have firefox 3.6 afaik
[10:48] <rsk> winXPuser so fill me in a little bit more if possible
[10:49] <rsk> oh wrong chan
[10:49] <rsk> just cut the last part
[10:49] <rsk> :)
[10:49] <yofel> winXPuser: can you run 'file /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox' and give us the result please?
[10:49] <winXPuser> OH
[10:49] <winXPuser> I was helping another user at irc://moznet/firefox
[10:50] <winXPuser> it was he who had the problem
[10:50] <winXPuser> I told him to come here
[10:50] <winXPuser> will be here soon I hope
[10:50] <winXPuser> alex88 hi
[10:50] <rsk> and he's using lucid?
[10:50] <winXPuser> alex88 yes he is
[10:50] <alex88> hi guys.i'm with that problem
[10:50] <rsk> so tell him to give the info
[10:50] <rsk> i asked from you
[10:50] <alex88> is like this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/512865
[10:50] <winXPuser> "what hanged up (how did it hang up)"
[10:51] <alex88> using debug mode it says: "/usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[10:51] <winXPuser> alex88 , the question is "can you run 'file /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox' and give us the result please?"
[10:51] <alex88> sure
[10:51] <alex88> no output...just exit
[10:51] <yofel> o.O
[10:52] <alex88> nothing
[10:52] <alex88> if i delete the .mozilla folder it starts, then after a restart it's not working anymore
[10:52] <winXPuser> We did some basic trouble shooting (safe mode, new profile)., it doesn't help
[10:52] <yofel> it should give: /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox: POSIX shell script text executable
[10:52] <sqwertle> I have built and compiled http://paste.ubuntu.com/396093/ and it is creaitng an executable. However, I can call the program form the UI or from the terminal and it is not showing any output whatsoever. I've heard elsewhere that this is not a common occurence and was wondering if it's something related directly to Lynx.
[10:53] <alex88> i've this problem after installing icedtea plugin, tried to purge that and also firefox and reinstall only firefox..same problem..
[10:54] <rsk> did you ever use some 'rm' ?
[10:55] <rsk> or just the package manager
[10:55] <winXPuser> alex88?
[10:55] <alex88> just package manager
[10:55] <alex88> rm only to delete .mozilla folder
[10:55] <rsk> have you done supo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:56] <yofel> sqwertle: if I copy that into a test.cpp, run g++ test.cpp on it and run ./a.out then it prints Hello World! here and pauses
[10:56] <rsk> to make sure everythings up2date
[10:56] <alex88> just update
[10:56] <rsk> right do that then
[10:56] <alex88> what should i do? purge firefox, update, reinstall?
[10:57] <sqwertle> yofel: Then it seems that it's a particular problem with my setup. I'll ask in #ubuntu
[11:02] <alex88> rsk: slow connection..hold on
[11:02] <alex88> it was giving errors resolving it.archive.ubuntu.com so i've switched to archive.ubuntu.com
[11:03] <alex88> ok done no updates..now i'm reinstalling firefox
[11:03] <alex88> how can i force to re-download it
[11:03] <alex88> ?
[11:03] <rsk> remove the downloaded files
[11:04] <alex88> ...how? i mean for apt-get
[11:07] <alex88> ok aptitude clean
[11:10] <rye> sqwertle, add \n
[11:10] <rye> the output might be buffering
[11:11] <sqwertle> rye: The problem seems to be that I haven't quite gotten my bearings for programming on *nix systems just yeat. Rather than ./app I was just attempting to use "app".
[11:12] <rsk> you can use 'app' if you install it systemwide
[11:12] <rye> sqwertle, ah, and some a.out was left in some dir in $PATH
[11:12] <dupondje> hmz, why do I need to select a default application in Thunderbird for http & https ? shouldn't it just open the default browser ?
[11:12] <alex88> ok now it seems working
[11:15] <vistakiller> hi
[11:16] <vistakiller> ok new problem in kubuntu lucid
[11:16] <rsk> =)
[11:16] <vistakiller> every time i login i have one error message from akonadi
[11:16] <vistakiller> about mysql and d-bus
[11:16] <vistakiller> i dont know what is that
[11:16] <rsk> do you need mysql?
[11:16] <rsk> might aswell uninstall it and hope the problem goes away
[11:19] <yofel> rsk: KDE needs mysql, so that won't work
[11:20] <rsk> :O
[11:21] <rsk> sounds bloated
[11:22] <Ian_Corne> ugh
[11:22] <vistakiller> and what about d-bus?
[11:22] <vistakiller> what is this?
[11:23] <yofel> vistakiller: I think I remember the error you're getting, I have no idea though how I got rid of it though
[11:23] <vistakiller> i write and to kubuntu forum they dont know and there
[11:24] <vistakiller> i read tha the same problem have and one from turkish with turkish dektop
[11:24] <vistakiller> i have greek dekstop
[11:24] <vistakiller> is something to do with this?
[11:25] <yofel> vistakiller: I doubt that, if you get an error message then it's usually an issue with the backend
[11:26] <vistakiller> ok i will ask and to kde.org
[11:26] <vistakiller> and something else
[11:26] <vistakiller> they have break the kadressbook
[11:27] <vistakiller> i have organise my contacts to group like"friends" "work" etc
[11:27] <vistakiller> and after upgrade i open kaddressbook and i can find the groups
[11:27] <vistakiller> and i cant find how to create new :(
[11:28] <vistakiller> kadressbook was very nice why they break it?
[11:30] <jpds> 15
[11:33] <richthegeek> hey, are there any deadly issues on the current daily?
[11:34] <pecisk> deadly no, annoying - could be
[11:34] <pecisk> they're fixing plymouth, some got their bugs fixed, some are still out there
[11:35] <richthegeek> righto, got an SSD to plug in (yay) so gonna just do a fresh install of 10.04 rather than sticking with this install that's been going since 8.10
[11:45] <rye> btw, re - plymouth - is somebody else experiencing the boot failure with splash w/plymouth enabled on -14 ? I.e. at the moment when X needs to take over the terminal, plymouth is still there?
[11:45] <rye> observed on -nouveau and -radeon, not observed on -intel for some reason :-/
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> Ive had a few boot failures.. but then the nexct reboot it workes
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> This was on an Intel netbook
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> Given how Little Ive seen Pymouth actually do... Id rather see them 'fix' it by removeing it.
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> I got a 20 sec boot time.. I see the little splash thing for like 1 sec.. :)
[11:47] <richthegeek> all UI changes are forgiven... Filezilla now gives dbus notifications so I am happy
[11:50] <richthegeek> has Brasero been replaced?
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. windows machine sees all the linux box's except this one. :() but if i put in the name in the address bar.. it does see it
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> wonder whats up with that
[12:29] <rsk> broken dns?
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> just a home lan.
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> should be using wins i think.. not dns
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> weird... I changed workgroups in samba config.. restarted samba.. windows box is still seeing the pc now (at least) in the old workgroup
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> but at least its seeing it
[13:02] <Fersure> Does "Install Kubuntu" work on the Lucid Alpha 3 CD?
[13:02] <billybigrigger> whats with the window controls being on the left side of windows now? ie maximize/minimize/close buttons look all fubards
[13:02] <Fersure> billybigrigger: I asked the same thing myself earlier and I was directed to this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/110
[13:03] <gnomefreak> to revert now use the following command
[13:03] <Fersure> and in the actual bug description, there's a workaround which will revert it to the old look.
[13:03] <gnomefreak> gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[13:07] <Fersure> ty gnomefreak :>
[13:07] <gnomefreak> Fersure: np
[13:08] <JoshuaL> i have a hp remote, it works fine except that the buttons are mapped wrong, how can i remap them?
[13:09] <Fersure> JoshuaL: 'mapped wrong'? do you mean that they're on the left side instead of the right?
[13:09] <Rods_Tiger> Yesterday I was  trying to move up to Lucid Lynx, and I set it off installing, after answering a series of questions. Today I come back and see the same machine sitting there waiting for me to ask another question. This is ludicrous. Is it going to wait until questions come up and assume I'm sitting there all the time? Can't this thing just collect all the questions together and show them to be at the beginning so I
[13:09] <Rods_Tiger> else?
[13:10] <JoshuaL> Fersure, i have a hp infrared remote control, there are several buttons on it. the problems is that the
[13:10] <JoshuaL> is that some of the buttons do the wrong thing*
[13:11] <charlie-tca> Rods_Tiger: yes, it is going to wait. No, it can not ask them all at one time.
[13:12] <Fersure> JoshuaL: oh, then I'm not sure. sorry. hopefully someone else knows.
[13:13] <Fersure> gnomefreak: do you know if there's a way to get the buttons in a 'mac layout'? basically still on the left side but just "close, maximise, minimise" order rather than the order they're currently in?
[13:13] <gnomefreak> Fersure: sorry but no atm
[13:14] <Fersure> gnomefreak: k, no worries. :)
[13:15] <Rods_Tiger> charlie-tca, why can't it ask them at the start?
[13:15] <daniskami> Can't you just use "close,minimise,maximise:" in the gconf for "Mac" layout?
[13:15] <daniskami> or does it somehow break the theme?
[13:16] <frenchi> hi, I've a problem with mountall in lucid lynx and a 2.6.33.1 kernel I just compiled, 2.6.33 worked fine with the same configuration: it basically gets stuck on boot waiting for something. Could anybody give me an advice on how I could debug this problem?
[13:16] <yofel> Rods_Tiger: most questions can be asked at the beginning, but if the message is something like a edited config file then not
[13:16] <Rods_Tiger> ah.
[13:17] <Rods_Tiger> Does this conversation mean that the buttons on window top edges is finally on the correct side in Lucid Lynx? Excellent - at last.
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> The Ubuntu-tweak tool has expanded options for reordering the buttons. It even has a 'mac layout' feature now i belive
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/ubuntutweak-053-released-with-easier.html
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> or use mwbuttons --> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/mwbuttons-complete-gui-for-customizing.html
[13:19] <Rods_Tiger> The more Mac-like ubuntu becomes, the more likelihood the rest of the family can tolerate using it without giving up. Good move - congratulations.
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> I have the opposite oponion Rods_Tiger
[13:20] <Rods_Tiger> why?
[13:20] <gnomefreak> Rods_Tiger: there is no final decision this change was made as a test(not really the right word) but basicly its to see if it will work and take the community comments before it is decided
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> The more they hate it here.
[13:20] <Rods_Tiger> it's unnatural having to search somewhere else for it each time
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> I dont see any gains by moveing the buttons.. theres 10000+ OTHER things they could be spending time on
[13:20] <gnomefreak> design idea is a better way of saying it
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> Yes.. I find it unnatural to have it on the left side.
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> as does the wife
[13:21] <Rods_Tiger> in the past, on the netbook, I've artificially moved it over to the correct side, to imitate the mac, and used a theme that looks like the mac (well, a mac of nearly a decade ago)
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> She uses che close button like ONCE  during her use of a program.. so theres no need to have it  so near the FILE menu or other things she uses 1000;s of tumes
[13:21] <Dr_Willis>  For a netbook theres other alternatives. Theres a Panel applet that moves the close/min/max  button into the top panel.
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> and the title bar also.
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> of coruse with gnome-3 all this will proberly be moot anyway
[13:22] <Rods_Tiger> oh my wife is the opposite - she closes a window just because she's finished reading a sentence on it, then wonders where it's all gone. But she leaves apps open all the time. She can't distinguish between closing web browser windows and closing the actual browser app.
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> Mac is weird in  How they do things. :)
[13:22] <Rods_Tiger> ?
[13:23] <Rods_Tiger> I suppose if you're more used to linux than Mac, then yes
[13:23] <aboSamoor> Hi, I am running lucid up to date. The system freezes because of hard disk write failures. once I restart I have this message on the plymouth / filesystem has errors [SIFM]
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> or more used to windows then mac...
[13:24] <Rods_Tiger> Mac OS is all about choice. Preventing it. People make the wrong choices. Let Apple do your thinking for you - they're better at it.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. My fonts in firefox still look a littel diffrent then the ones gnome uses
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> apple being better at it - is debateable.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> and OT. :)
[13:24] <Rods_Tiger> they should be, the money we pay them
[13:25] <Rods_Tiger> but yes, I'm for the buttons on the left, please. Thanks
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> we dont want to start this thread heh heh..
[13:25] <yofel> aboSamoor: that should be how it's supposed to work, if you don't do a clean unmount of the drive it will be checked on next boot to make sure the filesystem is ok
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> Im against it.. leve them on the right.
[13:26] <bjsnider> apple may try to restrict choice in its gui, but it also wants to stop users from screwing things up
[13:26] <Rods_Tiger> what if top left corner was one thing, top right corner was another thing, bottom right, another, etc
[13:27] <Rods_Tiger> imaginary headline "Ubuntu first OS to go wholly voice-controlled, abandons buttons!"
[13:27] <bjsnider> there's a point after which good reasonable config options become foolhardy openings users can mistakenly use to damage their systems
[13:28] <aboSamoor> yofel: the check does not finish, and during the last run I had some errors like "failed command: Write DMA ext", "write error on swap-drive" and "Error {ICRC ABRT}"
[13:29] <yofel> aboSamoor: that sounds like a ATA error, either the kernel is buggy or the hardware is broken (hdd, cable, mainboard, whatever...)
[13:31] <aboSamoor> yofel: I replaced the harddisk and I still get the error. This problem was also there with karmic.
[13:31] <bjsnider> aboSamoor, what does palimpsest say about your drive?
[13:31] <BUGabundo_remote> hey guys FYI http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-explains-why-window.html
[13:31] <BUGabundo_remote> bjsnider: yofel Rods_Tiger ^^^^
[13:33] <aboSamoor> bjsnider: it says it is healthy for the new one, and for the old harddisk it say has some bad sectors.
[13:33] <bjsnider> well,, that's smart data that has nothing to do with linux directly
[13:33] <aboSamoor> bjsnider: yofel the old hardisk is still connected to the computer but still not mounted. could it still generates the errors ?
[13:34] <bjsnider> if it has bad sectors it can't be trusted and should be replaced ASAP
[13:35] <skyjumper> anyone having trouble with gimp screenshots and compiz?
[13:35] <aboSamoor> bjsnider: I am not saving any critical data there. Now, I can not loging to my system and I am running using the usb. How can I try to fix the old hard disk
[13:35] <aboSamoor> ?
[13:36] <bjsnider> bad sectors can't be fixed
[13:36] <bjsnider> it is physical damage to the magnetically sensitive material on the platters
[13:37] <aboSamoor> bjsnider: maybe I can not login because of the bug mentioned above in the channel topic
[13:38] <bjsnider> in other words, maybe the two issues aren't related. i'd bet on that being the case
[13:38] <Some_Person> If you really want the buttons in their old karmic positions, you can use my PPA
[13:43] <Some_Person> Is it possible to add a PPA intended for karmic to a lucid system?
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> yes Some_Person
[13:44] <Some_Person> And this won't screw anything up?
[13:46] <gnomefreak> i suggest using the command or gconf-editor to change them incase an upload to PPA breaks something
[13:46] <Some_Person> It's my PPA though. I don't think supertux SVN snapshots will break anything
[13:47] <yofel> Some_Person: just adding the ppa for karmic + lucid won't break anything
[13:47] <yofel> Some_Person: but if the packages aren't configured right it might
[13:48] <Some_Person> My packages work perfectly fine on karmic
[13:48] <yofel> (I usually add ~karmic or so to the end of a package version if I upload the same app for more than one release in the same ppa
[13:48] <gnomefreak> and since Lucid is not stable it is very much possible it can break
[13:48] <Some_Person> I don't want to upload 2 packages though because they'd each be 75MB
[13:49] <Some_Person> For this slow connection, that's a lot to upload
[13:49] <yofel> Some_Person: then just make sure your sources.list contains one line for lucid and one for karmic
[13:49] <Some_Person> Shouldn't it only have one for karmic? There are no lucid packages in this PPA
[13:49] <yofel> Some_Person: you don't upload the whole source usually, the orig.tar.gz (if you have one) will be the same for both
[13:50] <Some_Person> .orig.tar.gz?
[13:50] <yofel> Some_Person: if there are no lucid packages, then you don't need a lucid line ;)
[13:51] <yofel> Some_Person: oh wait, I read the question wrong, but no, as long as the packages (and the dependencies) don't conflict with anything in lucid it shouldn't break anything
[13:51] <Some_Person> Literally, all I would do to make a lucid version is change 'karmic' to 'lucid' in the changelog file
[13:52] <Some_Person> Now what is this .orig.tar.gz you mentioned?
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> Some_Person: here is a free top: create separate PPAs for separate projects!
[13:52] <Some_Person> BUGabundo_remote: I already do that
[13:53] <Some_Person> I have several PPAs: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42
[13:54] <SEJeff> BUGabundo_remote, Do you have any more free tops this morning? ;)
[13:54]  * Some_Person takes BUGabundo_remote's top
[13:55] <infecto> hmm, i have strange problem my alt^1 shortcut dont work and FN^SLEEP button also dont work, can i setup this somewhere?
[13:55] <yofel> Some_Person: packaging internal stuff, if you really want to know that read the ubuntu/debian-policy or the maintainer guide,
[13:55] <infecto> i`m using kde
[13:55] <infecto> latest
[13:56] <Some_Person> "internal stuff"?
[13:56] <yofel> Some_Person: do something like apt-get source bash and you'll see what a .orig.tar.gz is
[13:57] <yofel> Some_Person: it's usually the unmodified upstream source for a package
[13:57] <Some_Person> But what if the upstream source is what keeps changing every time you upload (as is the case with supertux)?
[13:59] <yofel> Some_Person: then yes, but what I meant is when you upload a package for multiple releases and you only change the changelog you won't need to upload it multiple times (I misunderstood your question at first)
[13:59] <Some_Person> So how would I upload in this way?
[14:01] <yofel> Some_Person: usually I upload a package for lucid, go into the changelog, change lucid to karmic, add ~karmic to the version, run debuild -S -sd and upload the new .changes file and that will only upload the diff, not everything
[14:02] <Some_Person> So what exactly does the -sd do?
[14:02] <yofel> Some_Person: 'only upload the diff'
[14:04] <Some_Person> How does it know what it's diffing to?
[14:05] <yofel> Some_Person: dpkg diffs all changes to the source comparing to the upstream source tar ball (.orig.tar.gz) and that is stored in the .diff.gz file
[14:05] <Some_Person> Well, I haven't been uploading a .orig.tar.gz
[14:05] <yofel> Some_Person: when you run debuild -S -sa it will upload the .orig.tar.gz and the .diff.gz, with -sd it will only upload the .diff.gz
[14:06] <yofel> Some_Person: then that won't work for you
[14:06] <yofel> Some_Person: I'm usually trying to package stuff the debian way, with the original source in .orig.tar.gz and the debian dir added later
[14:06] <Some_Person> I've really just been updating the upstream source (via svn), copying my debian folder into it, and using debuild -S
[14:07] <Some_Person> I'm guessing that's the wrong way to do it
[14:07] <yofel> Some_Person: not exactly wrong, but it's easier (and less bandwith consuming) to patch stuff the other way
[14:08] <Some_Person> Can you link me to proper documentation for this so I can learn the correct way?
[14:08] <yofel> like if you noticed a missing dependeny in the control file you won't have to upload everything again
[14:08] <Some_Person> I've had that problem numerous times
[14:09] <sevenseeker> 10.4 isn't recognizing my Dell Inspiron 9300 optical drive (and won't let me eject, 'eject cdrom' hangs): http://paste2.org/p/719967
[14:11] <yofel> Some_Person: you'll find the ubuntu-policy in the 'ubuntu-policy' package, the general rules are described there, and the official debian packaging  guide is at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[14:17] <yofel> Some_Person: you might also want to look at the official supertux package and see how it's done there (you'll notice they used bzip2 for compression which is smaller but requires source format 3.0 (quilt), read 'man dpkg-source' for available source formats)
[14:20] <Some_Person> The official supertux actually has problems
[14:20] <yofel> Some_Person: was that the package with the missing depends?
[14:21] <Some_Person> yes
[14:22] <Some_Person> It has other (more minor) issues too
[14:25] <Some_Person> For example, it segfaults on one of my machines. The problem is upstream, but a workaround is known. The problem is that it is not known why the workaround works
[14:26] <yofel> ...
[14:26] <yofel> the joys of software engeneering :D
[14:26] <Some_Person> For whatever reason, compiling it with -O2 instead of -O3 fixes segfaulting in some (currently unknown) situations
[14:27] <SEJeff> Meaning it doesn't really work. It only covers up a serious bug
[14:27] <Some_Person> SEJeff: It does work though, in the sense that it doesn't segfault
[14:27] <yofel> well, that's usually the purpose of a workaround
[14:28] <SEJeff> Some_Person, You aren't able to get a backtrace under gdb?
[14:29] <Some_Person> I wasn't able to. Every situation where I compile it with debug flags, it doesn't friggin segfault!
[14:29] <SEJeff> Hmmmm perhaps get as much as you can with ltrace/strace/ftrace?
[14:29] <SEJeff> Assuming you're on lucid all of those shiney hooks are enabled in the kernel
[14:30] <Some_Person> The system in question is still on karmic
[14:40] <IdleOne> I don't like how I can't control volume with my mouse wheel anymore :/
[14:41] <Some_Person> IdleOne: file a bug\
[14:41] <IdleOne> yup
[14:45] <IdleOne> Some_Person: you wouldn't happen to know which package the volume is controled from?
[14:45] <Some_Person> IdleOne: I think it's indicator-applet
[14:45] <IdleOne> thanks
[15:02] <marienz> is the firefox urlbar autocomplete dropdown really supposed to have darkish blue links on a dark background when using the ambiance theme? It's pretty hard to read on this monitor.
[15:02] <dupondje> I'm checking some translations, but what are the _ signs in it sometimes ?
[15:02] <dupondje> like _Previous
[15:02] <dupondje> marienz: there is already a bug for that
[15:02] <marienz> dupondje: probably the keyboard shortcut
[15:03] <marienz> dupondje: happen to know the right search term? "firefox ambiance" didn't do the trick
[15:03]  * marienz tries some others
[15:03] <DrHalan> did audio break?
[15:03] <marienz> ah, bug 532259?
[15:12] <DrHalan> no audio? anyone?
[15:15] <yofel> DrHalan: still works here
[15:15] <Some_Person> DrHalan: Someone else had to tell me how to fix mine
[15:15] <Some_Person> DrHalan: did you just install?
[15:16] <DrHalan> @Some_Person: kinda strange. i didn't do a dist-upgrade or anything if i recall right. but after rebooting my pc pulseaudio doesn't show any devices anymore
[15:16] <Some_Person> Ok, I don't think it's the same issue I had
[15:17] <DrHalan> yeah i guess it's more related to the kernel
[15:17] <yofel> oh nice, the dpkg fsync patch was reverted
[15:18] <Some_Person> DrHalan: Mine was directly related to the kernel though. Someone put a line in there specifically for my soundcard (I'm using a workaround now that doesn't require patching the kernel)
[15:18] <DrHalan> ill remove the backports for alsa
[15:18] <DrHalan> dunno if they should be installed by default
[15:18] <Some_Person> backports? in lucid?
[15:18] <yofel> Some_Person: backports from 2.6.33
[15:19] <Some_Person> ah
[15:22] <DrHalan> mh nah still broken
[15:33] <BluesKaj> DrHalan,I have to state the obvious, but make sure you have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed.
[15:34] <DrHalan> BluesKaj: it is. but maybe this is a pulseaudio issue.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> DrHalan, perhaps but pus=lseaudio is redundant in most setups , it's merely another audio process/sound server running on top of alsa.
[15:36] <DrHalan> yeah but the applet isn't showing any sound devices. maybe the pulseaudio config is broken. or the kernel driver. who knows...
[15:39] <BluesKaj> DrHalan, alsa is normally the kernel source driver for your soundcard... aplay -l in the terminal
[15:43] <andatche> anyone know why compiz seems to ignore SKIP_CHECKS=yes in lucid?
[15:43] <andatche> can't seem to find any information on it
[15:43] <DrHalan> BluesKaj: just tried to use alsaplayer. didn't work either. so i guess it's releated to the kernel drivers.
[15:44] <DrHalan> maybe some packages i should do a dkpg-reconfigure on or so?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> DrHalan, what does aplay -l  produce?
[15:48] <andatche> :(
[15:48] <andatche> it seems /usr/bin/compiz is now a binary too, used to be a bash script
[15:50] <cwillu_at_work> why is ucf useless when it fails?
[15:51] <cwillu_at_work> highest log level gives no indication of what it thought went wrong that it returned with a exit code of 10
[15:51] <IdleOne> because useless and fail are mutually dependent
[15:54] <cwillu_at_work> how do you reset ucf for a given file?
[15:54] <cwillu_at_work> or at least tell it to just do some sane default?
[15:55] <cwillu_at_work> googling for "ucf is full of fail" didn't find anything :(
[15:57] <cwillu_at_work> dpkg: error processing foomatic-filters (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[15:59] <cwillu_at_work> ucf needs to die
[16:06] <IdleOne> delete the post-installation script and try again?
[16:07] <DrHalan> BluesKaj: doesnt find any soundcards
[16:07] <SEJeff> cwillu_at_work, edit the script under /var/lib/dpkg/info and change it to the top shebang line and exit 0 as the 2nd line
[16:08] <cwillu_at_work> SEJeff, I already commented out the ucf line in question
[16:08] <cwillu_at_work> ucf still needs to die :p
[16:08] <SEJeff> cwillu_at_work, Just change it to exit 0 to install the package. Then do apt-get install --reinstall to properly fix it all
[16:08] <BluesKaj> DrHalan, ok in the terminal sudo apt-get install also-base alsa-utils
[16:13] <DrHalan> BluesKaj: theyre all there
[16:27] <rabbit1> i am currently using ubuntu 8.04 32 bit version, i got AMD Athon X 64 bit. planning to upgrade to 10.04 64 bit, how can i achieve this ?
[16:28] <xfact> So currently I am on Lucid Lynx and fortunately it's stable enough for regular work, as I am a kiddo so anyone can suggest me What I should and should not do? here to keep it stable in this way...
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> rabbit1: clean install
[16:29] <rabbit1> Ian_Corne: so, 32 bit 8.04 to 64 bit 10.04 is a cake walk?
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> no
[16:30] <cwillu_at_work> geez
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> you'll have to remove your current system and install a fresh 64 bit
[16:30] <kklimonda> rabbit1: at this time there are still problems with upgrading 8.04 to 10.04
[16:30] <cwillu_at_work> ucf is breaking all sorts of stuff
[16:30] <xfact> Any suggestions? :\
[16:31] <rabbit1> kklimonda: yeah, i got wait till april end, but is it possible from 32bit 8.04 to 64bit 10.04 ?
[16:31] <kklimonda> xfact: don't do partial upgrades
[16:31] <kklimonda> rabbit1: it's not supported
[16:31] <kklimonda> rabbit1: it is possible but you would have to do it by hand
[16:31] <kklimonda> rabbit1: not worth your time imo
[16:32] <xfact> Is there any kind of features/apps/programs that I should not run too?
[16:32] <kklimonda> !daily
[16:32] <rabbit1> kklimonda: i can do it, no issues, i just need a proper file, which helps me to do it
[16:32] <cwillu_at_work> xfact, if everything is working, then don't apply any upgrades
[16:32] <kklimonda> xfact: no, I don't think so
[16:33] <phillw> Hi folks, will it be possible to run alsa based sound cards in 10.04, I note it is going to be using pulse.
[16:33] <cwillu_at_work> phillw, pulse uses alsa
[16:34] <kklimonda> rabbit1: there is no documentation for doing that - I'd first upgrade to 10.04 32bit and then do a migration to 64bit - but the fastest way would be to just do a clean install
[16:34] <xfact> Then what about Beta 1 upgrade, that I will have to proceed
[16:34] <phillw> cwillu_at_work: thanks, so I just compile the driver as per the instructions and pulse will see it ?
[16:35] <cwillu_at_work> phillw, back up a step, presumably the version of alsa that's already included isn't working?
[16:35] <cwillu_at_work> but yes, that's how it should work
[16:35] <rabbit1> kklimonda: u mean, get a cd of 10.04 64bit and go ahead from scratch ?
[16:35] <phillw> I'm asking on behalf of one the people in assistive -
[16:35] <phillw> I'm trying to configure an audio sound card on my ubuntu becouse it was
[16:35] <phillw> detected but sounds really low. I downloaded a driver from the manufacturer,
[16:35] <phillw> but I've some doubts. The thing is on the readme file all instructions are
[16:35] <phillw> for alsa, and I don't know if it is aplicable for the new ubuntu systems
[16:35] <phillw> with pulse. my configurations are for karmic or lucid.
[16:36] <kklimonda> rabbit1: right, that's the best way of doing that
[16:36] <cwillu_at_work> phillw, alsa was never replaced
[16:36] <cwillu_at_work> alsa is not a competitor to pulse, they do different things
[16:36] <phillw> cwillu_at_work: it has instructions for doing it with ubuntu, so the OP should be able to use them ?
[16:36] <cwillu_at_work> alsa is what talks to the hardware, pulse is what talks to applications
[16:37] <cwillu_at_work> re: volume levels, I assume you've already checked alsamixer levels?
[16:38] <phillw> I can suggest that the OP tries that, the manal installation looks quite involed !!
[16:38] <phillw> *manual*
[16:39] <kklimonda> phillw: if the drivers has not been added to alsa that doesn't sound good..
[16:40] <cwillu_at_work> kklimonda, there are drivers, it's just the volume was too low
[16:42] <phillw> cwillu_at_work: I'll ask the OP to check the alsamixer levels. If they look okay, is there anything else to check before manually installing it ?
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> installing a kernel driver from source should be just about the last possible thing you try.  if it detects it at all, and the sound isn't actually distorted, then the driver probably isn't the issue.  If it _is_, then you're far better off filing a bug so that it can get fixed properly (to the extent of packaging that driver up ourselves if need be) rather than just applying a workaround
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> encouraging workarounds just ensures that the bugs don't actually get fixed
[16:44] <phillw> .
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> so, start with the levels :p
[16:44] <phillw> Okay, many thanks for your help, hopefully, I won't be back ;-)
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> SEJeff, changing it to exit 0 + reinstall didn't fix it
[16:58] <Andre_Gondim> is there any news about ubuntu one?
[16:59] <rsk> Andre_Gondim http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/
[17:04] <xfact> When Ubuntu one store will launch?
[17:23] <xfact> ?
[17:24] <rsk> no idea
[17:25] <xfact> rsk, ok
[17:36] <nigelb> anyone on lucid using xchat?
[17:36] <nigelb> xchat-gnome to be precise
[17:40] <Some_Person> I'm using xchat, but not xchat-gnome
[17:43] <Damascene> it seems like the network manger can't keep his hand off any wireless network near it
[17:43] <Some_Person> why is there no gstreamer0.10-pitfdll for x86-64?
[17:46] <markl_> is there a channel for discussing the ubuntu cloud components?
[17:46] <xfact> nigelb, Yup I am currently on Lucid and here by Xchat
[17:46] <markl_> looks like fun to play with
[17:46] <nigelb> xfact: can test bug 528017?
[17:47] <xfact> *Hoping that soon Ubuntu lucid will afford a new good looking boot screen*
[17:47] <xfact> nigelb, What kind of bug is that, I have not faced any problems and bugs in Xchat yet
[17:51] <Fersure> any system requirements for lucid yet? kubuntu alpha 3 live cd seems sluggish in a vm with 1gb ram
[17:51] <rww> markl_: I know there's #ubuntuone for that part of it. Dunno if there's a channel for the Canonical enterprise stuff.
[17:52] <Fersure> and yet ubuntu alpha 3 seemed fine
[17:53] <xfact> Fersure, As much as I know that the requirement is same like Ubuntu/kubuntu 9.10
[17:54] <Fersure> xfact: ah ok. seems kinda strange. could just be an issue with the live cd though seeing as "install kubuntu" didn't work from the boot menu.
[17:54] <Fersure> hopefully this'll all be fixed in a couple of days with beta1 :)
[17:55] <xfact> Yup, and also I am not much familiar with Kubuntu, I use Ubuntu
[17:56] <Fersure> same as Ubuntu. just a different desktop/set of GUI apps.
[17:56] <Fersure> and a different frontend for ubiquity.
[17:58] <nigelb> xfact: you need client side decorations enabled to face that bug, nevermind. thanks anyway
[18:00] <xfact> nigelb, Well, then I would not like to enable it, and no problem :)
[18:01] <nigelb> xfact: :)
[18:01] <busata> could it be that the last upgrade just breaks the system? I can't reboot in the 2.6.32-17 kernel, it just hangs on start up, shouting some readahead terminated with status 4 error before just showing a black screen
[18:02] <busata> when I reboot to kernel 2.6.31 , it moans that plymouth stuff crashed
[18:03] <busata> did see the bug in the topic header, but not sure it's related
[18:06] <JoshuaL> busata, its the same
[18:06] <JoshuaL> iirc everyone has that issue
[18:07] <busata> ha,okay
[18:09] <busata> thanks!
[18:18] <Boondoklife> wow, am I glad i ganked plymouth a while ago
[18:32] <billybigrigger_> is there anyway to aac support in ffmpeg without compiling it on my own?
[18:32] <rsk> find a precompiled binary with aac support
[18:32] <rsk> is the only way then
[18:38] <billybigrigger_> well why then is ffmpeg compiled without it to begin with?
[18:39] <rsk> becase someone choose to do that
[18:39] <rsk> ffmpeg and mplayer packages are crippled
[18:39] <billybigrigger_> dumb decision imo
[18:39] <rsk> for no good reason
[18:39] <rsk> ye
[18:40] <rsk> they claim it's for patents
[18:40] <rsk> mp3 is patented
[18:40] <rsk> and it plays it
[18:40] <rsk> so why not aac?
[18:40] <rsk> it's just silly
[18:40] <ehnde>   is that why i have so much trouble with .wmv's with mplayer?
[18:41] <ehnde> vlc will not play them at all, even with ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[18:41] <rsk> most likely
[18:41] <ehnde> is there a repository that provides these options in an uncrippled mplayer?
[18:41] <rsk> what you want to do is compiler mplayer from svn
[18:41] <rsk> for the best results
[18:42] <rsk> it's also a bit faster
[18:42] <rsk> takes >10 minutes on a normal pc
[18:43] <ehnde> meh...might try that, i'm sure there are instructions on the forums
[18:44] <[A]KangB> heil! Im trying to fix my window decorator problem. Window border came back when I write "compiz --replace &" on a terminal. im trying to do a launcher to "click it" at boot when compiz fails. I have done it, but dont do anything, opens console and exit without doing nothing. Any Help? Sorry for my bad English, im spanish :D
[19:14] <busata> wops, sorry about my earlier error, apparantly updating the nvidia drivers made it boot up ! :)
[19:24] <oskude> hello. how do i run setup.exe from my legal (ms-windows compatible) game that is on a cdrom ?
[19:25] <oskude> it says its blocking wine...
[19:25] <oskude> and i cant set a executable bit on cdrom, or can i ?
[19:25] <ZykoticK9> oskude, from a terminal "wine /media/DRIVENAME/setup.exe"
[19:25] <oskude> ZykoticK9, roger...
[19:26] <oskude> and we cant do that from nautilus anymore ?
[19:26] <ZykoticK9> oskude, on a CD no, on a HD you need to set the file as executable from nautilus before it will work
[19:27] <oskude> hmm. i would not call that user friendly... but what ever, not our choice...
[19:27] <ZykoticK9> oskude, that change was made in Karmic
[19:27] <oskude> oh
[19:28] <oskude> seems i haven installed any wine things since then ^^
[19:30] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com/msg10332.html
[19:30] <atrus> lucid recovery mode seems to dump me at a screen with a blinking cursor... suggestions?
[19:31] <oskude> so all i need to do is make a nautilus menu item that launches my exe from cdrom.. hehe
[19:31] <ZykoticK9> atrus, verify that alt+f1 doesn't show a login
[19:31] <atrus> tty1's cursor is blirking about halfway down the screen. tty2-7 are on the top line.
[19:31] <atrus> ZykoticK9: verified :)
[19:31] <ZykoticK9> atrus, i see that
[19:32] <atrus> ctrl-alt-delete works at least.
[19:32] <atrus> only thing weird i can think of is that /home is a fuse filesystem mounted from /etc/fstab.
[19:33] <oskude> can i turn that wine blocking off ? it really annoys me and i know what im doing!
[19:35] <oskude> i REALLY don't want my OS to say what i may and may not do/run! so please, where do i turn this thing off ?
[19:36] <atrus> ZykoticK9: well, that didn't fix it.
[19:37] <atrus> i can see the kernel booting, and i can see at least the start of some init scripts, before the resolution changes and everything's black but the blinking cursor.
[19:37] <ZykoticK9> atrus, you did replace the correct value/path when you tried right?
[19:38] <atrus> ZykoticK9: not sure i understand. the correct value/path for what?
[19:38] <ZykoticK9> atrus, "wine /media/DRIVENAME/setup.exe" you need to replace DRIVENAME and the setup.exe with what your system actually has
[19:39] <atrus> ZykoticK9: oh, i think you mean oskude :)
[19:39] <phillw> cwillu_at_work: are you still about ?
[19:39] <ZykoticK9> atrus, sorry man :)
[19:39] <cwillu_at_work> yep
[19:39] <Damascene> if some one typed the passprase one wrong type he will not be able to run empathy till he logs out, is that true?
[19:39] <oskude> ZykoticK9, it does work from terminal. but i want to use it from nautilus.
[19:39] <Damascene> *one wrong time
[19:40] <ZykoticK9> atrus, you're having the Recovery flashing prompt - i have no suggestions on that one, sorry
[19:40] <oskude> ZykoticK9, and also about principle. i really dont want my OS to be restrictive... the reason i started to use linux (~8 years ago)
[19:41]  * Some_Person doesn't use wine and hasn't booted to windows in weeks
[19:41]  * SEJeff doesn't have a windows partition :)
[19:41] <SEJeff> ANd hasn't for a few years
[19:41]  * oskude would even have a OSX partition, if it was legal...
[19:42] <ZykoticK9> oskude, i'm sorry i don't have a workaround/fix for that.  I agree it is a little annoying but, security is an important thing.  If it's a HUGE deal for you, there is always another distro or Windows.
[19:42] <cwillu_at_work> phillw, yep?
[19:42] <oskude> ZykoticK9, yeah... maybe i really should go back to debian. thanks anyway.
[19:43] <atrus> oskude: does that work in debian?
[19:44] <oskude> atrus, at least when i install "standard" and add X + desktop manually
[19:45] <cwillu_at_work> what's the problem?
[19:45] <phillw> hi cwillu_at_work -- the OP reports back   I tried with alsamixer seting all values at 100%, but nothing happens... The model is realtek ALC 880.
[19:45] <oskude> atrus, but if debian has that as default too (and no option to disable/remove), my freedom is starting to crumble...
[19:46] <ZykoticK9> oskude, how often do you have to install MS programs from CD?  doesn't seem like occasionally using the terminal for installing from CD would be big deal?  I guess it is for you.  Best of luck man.
[19:46] <cwillu_at_work> phillw, as in the values were at 100%, or he changed them?
[19:46] <cwillu_at_work> oskude, hardly, you're perfectly welcome to remove the check from the source code
[19:46] <SEJeff> oskude, That isn't a feature, it is a bug
[19:46] <phillw> cwillu_at_work: I'd have to email him to find out
[19:46] <atrus> oskude: you can always just change the code if you want. you could probably even write a script to load a .exe. you've got the source, nobody's infringing on your freedom.
[19:47] <cwillu_at_work> phillw, get him to file a bug ;p
[19:47] <phillw> cwillu_at_work: okay I will do so. Thanks for your help.
[19:47] <oskude> SEJeff, you mean its a bug that i cant disable that "executable bit blocker" thing ?
[19:49] <oskude> i have only 2 ms-windows executables (on original cd) that i ever use. and i never ever run any other exe files. so why do i need this blocker ?
[19:50] <SEJeff> oskude, So do what others have said and write a script that you can click
[19:50] <rww> oskude: executable bit stuff affects your entire system, not just Windows executables
[19:50] <rww> it protects against a significant number of security vulnerabilities
[19:51] <cwillu_at_work> oskude, the alternative is to have execute bit set for everything on a cd, which means that you always get that annoying "did you want to run this or display it?" prompt
[19:51] <rww> the kernel team decided that disabling this protection for WINE's sake was no longer a good idea.
[19:51] <SEJeff> And that was a good idea
[19:51] <oskude> roger
[19:52] <DanaG> hmm, maybe it would be good to have wine itself check what filesystem things are.
[19:52] <rww> assuming we're talking about the same thing i'm talking about, which i can't figure out :\
[19:52] <DanaG> If (not executable) and (filesystem is iso9660) then allow it to run.
[19:53] <oskude> im talking about that my OS is telling me what i may and may not. and there is no (easy) way to turn it off (to give me my freedom back)
[19:53] <SEJeff> You can get the code and build a new version
[19:53] <SEJeff> No one stole your freedom
[19:53] <oskude> yeah
[19:53] <cwillu_at_work> oskude, don't get all emotional;  you've lost absolutely no freedom, a default has changed is all
[19:54] <rww> Copying the files from the CD to your hard disk wouldn't work?
[19:54] <cwillu_at_work> oskude, you might as well get up in arms about the loss in freedom because we use a protected memory model
[19:54] <ZykoticK9> rww, using the terminal will work fine, the problem is with nautilus
[19:54] <rww> (and then chmodding them there, obviously)
[19:54] <rww> ZykoticK9: ah
[19:54] <rww> oh, it's that thing
[19:55] <SEJeff> Resolution: Closed, WONTFIX :)
[19:55] <rww> i think that's a different thing than what i was talking about earlier. so never mind me.
[19:55] <ZykoticK9> so "fix released" for bug #538097 does that mean apport is currently fixed, or are we still waiting for updates on that?
[19:55] <SEJeff> we've all had those before
[19:56] <oskude> i dont really have a problem. the game is already installed and updating. im just getting more and more annoyed about the new decisions that ubuntu is making, and no easy way for users to "go back"...
[19:56] <ZykoticK9> I'm certainly happy is was fixed prior to the Beta being released!
[19:56] <rww> ZykoticK9: looks like it was a bug in Launchpad, not apport, and was fixed.
[19:57] <oskude> so yeah, i should just stop think how my mom or girlfriend will handle these changes...
[19:58] <yoasif> any packagers here?
[20:02] <Boondoklife> ZykoticK9: The error stopping error reports was fixed. Kewl
[20:02] <ZykoticK9> Boondoklife, now if only i could remember the bug i wanted to report :)
[20:02] <Boondoklife> LOL
[20:03] <atrus> huh. trying to add an indicator applet to my gnome-panel... i get some kind of xrandr applet.
[20:04] <yofel> ZykoticK9: err.. that's what the 'save report' feature of apport-cli is for ;)
[20:04] <ZykoticK9> yofel, for next time that apport/Launchpad goes down i'll know :)  thanks
[20:05] <atrus> and it still removes the 'logout/shutdown' options from the system menu O_O
[20:06] <yofel> atrus: I think that's intentional
[20:06]  * yofel thinks the shutdown options should be in the system menu and not on the desktop bug well...
[20:07] <yofel> s/bug/but
[20:07] <atrus> well, i think the problem is that it's running an xrandr applet instead of the indicator-applet-session-whatever applet, which usually contains the logout/restart/shutdown options.
[20:08] <cwillu_at_work> atrus, you're so cute when you use technical words you don't understand :)
[20:08] <cwillu_at_work> (xrandr has nothing to do with applets)
[20:09] <cwillu_at_work> the login/out thingie is a different applet I believe
[20:09] <atrus> login/logout goes into the indicator applet session, correct?
[20:09] <alex_mayorga> !telepathy-butterfly
[20:09] <cwillu_at_work> no, that's a different applet, which I don't know the name of off-hand
[20:09] <cwillu_at_work> it's related though
[20:10] <cwillu_at_work> indicator-applet-session
[20:10] <alex_mayorga> telepathy-butterfly
[20:10] <cwillu_at_work> !info telepathy-butterfly
[20:10] <alex_mayorga> cwillu_at_work: thanks
[20:10] <atrus> cwillu_at_work: right. i try to add that to the panel, and i get an applet that lets me manage screen rotation :)
[20:10] <cwillu_at_work> atrus, as opposed to indicator-applet
[20:11] <atrus> right.
[20:11] <atrus> well, as oppsode to indicator-applet-session.
[20:11] <cwillu_at_work> no, I mean there's indicator-applet, and indicator-applet-session, two different applets
[20:11] <atrus> cwillu_at_work: neither of which has anything to do with screen rotation.
[20:11] <atrus> i do understand this :)
[20:11] <atrus> correct me if i'm wrong anyways.
[20:12] <cwillu_at_work> atrus, screen rotation is an applet which shows up in the indicator applet :p
[20:12] <atrus> hrm.
[20:12] <atrus> seriously?
[20:12] <cwillu_at_work> it can be turned on and off from the screens & resolutions panel
[20:12] <cwillu_at_work> yes
[20:12] <atrus> it doesn't show up in the notification applet anymore?
[20:12] <cwillu_at_work> no; things are gradually moving over to the indicator applet
[20:13] <cwillu_at_work> notification applet is just supposed to be used for notifications, and upstream has been getting fussy about that
[20:13] <cwillu_at_work> so we basically have exactly the same thing, but we call it an indicator applet, and we put whatever we want in it, and they can't complain :p
[20:13] <cwillu_at_work> indicator applet is a cleaner design internally as well I believe, so it's not _entirely_ political
[20:14] <atrus> i'm just not sure what screen rotation had to do with indicators... or why the icon for the indicator applet would be a screen-resolution icon...
[20:14] <cwillu_at_work> atrus, it's not
[20:15] <cwillu_at_work> you understand what the notification applet is, right?
[20:15] <cwillu_at_work> the indicator applet is basically _exactly_ the same thing
[20:15] <cwillu_at_work> it's a container
[20:15] <Some_Person> network manager still uses notification, right?
[20:15] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extace/+bug/399565
[20:15] <DanaG> hmm, should I mark that confirmed?
[20:15] <atrus> cwillu_at_work: so what does empathy/evolution use for indicating new message status?
[20:15] <cwillu_at_work> Some_Person, I believe so, although I'd expect that to switch at some point
[20:15] <cwillu_at_work> atrus, I believe they use a little of both, but I could be mistaken
[20:16] <Some_Person> I think it's silly to have 2 things that do exactly the same thing
[20:16] <cwillu_at_work> Some_Person, yes, I already said as much
[20:16] <atrus> cwillu_at_work: okay, so where is the logout option currently?
[20:17] <cwillu_at_work> gnome has strong opinions on the proper use of the notification area though; specifically, that it's _not_ intended to be used as a "system tray"
[20:17] <cwillu_at_work> atrus, it should be in the indicator-session-applet
[20:17] <cwillu_at_work> :p
[20:18] <atrus> oh, i see. indicator-session-applet isn't rendering any icons, so i couldn't tell that there were two parts to it.... also they're fixed horizontally, except it's on a narrow vertical panel. hrm.
[20:18] <cwillu_at_work> ah, vertical panels are troublesome
[20:18] <cwillu_at_work> I've got some patches I use (although I use wide vertical panels)
[20:19] <cwillu_at_work> but yes, they're broken in all sorts of non-trivial ways
[20:19] <atrus> okay, moving it to a horizontal panel... there's a "power" icon, and a blank clickable region next to to set status.
[20:19] <cwillu_at_work> that should display your user name, although I think that's configurable somewhere
[20:19] <atrus> hm. yeah, it's not showing anything.
[20:20] <cwillu_at_work> the indicator session applet won't reorient for a vertical panel, one could probably file a bug report/feature request over that
[20:20] <atrus> this explains why my last attempt at using lucid went so horribly wrong at least.
[20:21] <atrus> well it's a regression...
[20:21] <cwillu_at_work> gnome-panel really needs a sane way of specifying the orientation of a given applet though, as I've got examples of all 4 combinations on my desktop (vertical and horizontal panels, each with applets I'd prefer to be wide or tall)
[20:22] <cwillu_at_work> it's a desktop regression, but a feature request for the particular applet
[20:31] <oskude> ok, got some more tips on another channel. how do i know if a cd/dvd is in Rock Ridge format ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Ridge referring to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Policies#Implementation%20Details
[20:32] <Okidesu> umm... where exactly is this fix released for plymouth? because i'm still getting that error ..
[20:36] <cwillu_at_work> Okidesu, if it was just recently released, your archive may not have it yet;  if it's marked as released in upstream, there should be a second target with ubuntu's status
[20:37] <Okidesu> cwillu_at_work well i'm using the main server ... but ok i guess i can wait and see :)
[20:37] <BUGabundo> what?
[20:37] <BUGabundo> another plymouth bug?
[20:37] <BUGabundo> I just installed it two days
[20:37] <BUGabundo> man I better purge it for good for this cycke
[20:39] <Okidesu> oh god i need a good sci-fi movie =-=''
[20:40] <Okidesu> ot a Syfy one lol
[20:41] <Okidesu> btw if the kernel is locked does this mean that it will not get updated so i don't have to recompile drivers ?
[20:47] <oskude> ok, it seems its a bug after all. as my dvd (with 99.9% probability) is not in Rock Ridge format and according to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Policies#Implementation%20Details it should work...
[20:48] <oskude> but my only info is this http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq03.html#S3-5-2 and the dvd is from 2004
[20:48] <oskude> i have no idea how to check if the dvd is in Rock Ridge format
[20:52]  * oskude says its only a problem on his dvd and goes play ;P
[20:53] <richthegeek> hey, the latest daily build (16th) doesn't boot... is this normal?
[20:53] <vish> !irc
[20:53] <richthegeek> ?
[20:53] <BUGabundo> richthegeek: in this devels stuff, breaking *is* normal
[20:54] <BUGabundo> what ever *normal* is for you
[20:54] <richthegeek> Do daily builds typically boot, ie should I report it as a bug or should I accept that it's life
[20:55] <BUGabundo> yes, they usually boot
[20:55] <BUGabundo> I don't recall one that didn't
[20:55] <BUGabundo> but I've found several that would not install or login
[20:55] <Spiderman28> I just upgraded last night and everything seems to be working fine except for a few things that I think are linked.  I am using an Asus c90s with a Nvidia 8600m graphics card.  First on boot and shutdown I get some garbled stuff instead of plymouth then when I get in I have no title bars on anything.  I have also checked the hardware drivers where it says "This driver is activated but not currently in use.". and the only way
[20:55] <Spiderman28> to get the title bars back is to go to system/preferences/Appearance Visual Effects and select Extra then it looks for drivers and fixes it... I have to do this every time I boot. Sorry this was so long but I figured I would get it all out on the table right away.
[20:56] <richthegeek> BUGabundo: so should I attempt to test it? I'm not a *nix dev
[20:57] <BUGabundo> richthegeek: ot test tomorrow daily
[20:57] <richthegeek> BUGabundo: k
[20:58] <richthegeek> BUGabundo: not on a particularly esoteric setup (AMD X4 940, GTX 260, 8gb RAM, SSD drive)
[20:58] <richthegeek> BUGabundo: and yes, it does run like effluent off a shovel
[21:01] <richthegeek> Spiderman28: no idea sorry, either wait for a reply or use a fresh build to stop old/new conflicts
[21:02] <bjsnider> richthegeek, that's awesome hardware dude, except for the cpu
[21:03] <bjsnider> but you can't win em' all
[21:03] <bjsnider> at least you're tossing lots of horsepower at it
[21:03] <Spiderman28> yeah I've looked all over and it seems I may have to wait till beta.
[21:03] <richthegeek> bjsnider: 4 cores at 3ghz, with a pretty big cache
[21:03] <bjsnider> richthegeek, yes but it wasn't made by intel
[21:03] <richthegeek> bjsnider: it's in the top 10 of all processors
[21:04] <richthegeek> bjsnider: * commercially viable* processors, on a cross-test benchmark I mean
[21:04] <richthegeek> bjsnider: and I paid half than I would've for an intel of the same power
[21:05] <bjsnider> yep. i get it
[21:07] <bjsnider> i always buy as much intel as possible to avoid issues with my os of choice
[21:07] <DanaG>  argh, for some reason, (32-bit) wine keeps trying to load DRI drivers from /usr/lib/dri -- and then fails with Wrong ELFCLASS: ELF64.
[21:07] <richthegeek> bjsnider: your OS of choice is?
[21:07] <bjsnider> richthegeek, windows 95 se service pack 47
[21:07] <richthegeek> bjsnider: not even sure if trolling..
[21:08] <vladanian> Hey guys, are any of you running eclipse?
[21:08] <vladanian> On lucid 64-bit
[21:08] <richthegeek> neg
[21:09] <vladanian> I can't get eclipse, installed from the repos or otherwise, to recognize update repos
[21:09] <vladanian> On two different machines
[21:09] <vladanian> and different networks
[21:10] <richthegeek> is eclipse in the lucid repo?
[21:10] <richthegeek> yes
[21:10] <richthegeek> is it giving you any errors?
[21:11] <vladanian> Yes, let me copy it
[21:11] <DanaG> err:wave:wodPlayer_WriteMaxFrags Error in writing wavehdr. Reason: Resource temporarily unavailable
[21:12] <DanaG> err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly
[21:12] <DanaG> Wine fail.
[21:12] <DanaG> Well, if a 32-bit Wine tries to load 64-bit drivers... well, it's no **** it's not going to work.
[21:12] <bjsnider> DanaG, which opengl drivers are these?
[21:12] <DanaG> Wine on 64-bit host tries to load DRI drivers from /usr/lib/dri/
[21:13] <DanaG> ... and then fails with "wrong elfclass: ELF64"
[21:13] <bjsnider> wouldn't happen if you were using the nvidia blob
[21:14] <DanaG> Still, it's Wine failing.
[21:14] <DanaG> If you need 32-bit drivers... it's STUPID to try to load them from the 64-bit drivers dir!
[21:14]  * DanaG goes off to look for ice cream in the refrigerator.
[21:15] <DanaG> Oh no, it's melted!
[21:15] <bjsnider> i'll tell the wine guys
[21:15] <balas> can anyone check if anyone has had any issues with a CMI8788 and lucid ?  i can't get mine to work.  lspci -v sees it, but only integrated sound is listed.
[21:15] <balas> i think there's a bot that can check ?
[21:15] <DanaG> Well, you should've had frozen yogurt instead... =þ
[21:15] <DanaG> eh, my analogy doesn't quite work.
[21:16] <vladanian> richthegeek, the error is always: Unable to connect to repository http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo/site.xml org.eclipse.equinox.internal.provisional.p2.core.ProvisionException
[21:17] <vladanian> for whatever repo I'm trying to access
[21:18] <vladanian> I was googling this and found similar errors around when the eclipse project was updating from one version to another -- but I tested last on Sat and the error is the same -- I imagine more people would be crowing if this issue was on eclipse's end
[21:19] <vladanian> I had these errors with the lucid package, and just tried aptana studio, which is based on eclipse, and same errors
[21:22] <richthegeek> vladanian: probably to do with lucid being an alpha then... guess you'll just have to wait until release
[21:22] <richthegeek> vladanian: it might be that the Eclipse version in lucid is prerelease
[21:22] <richthegeek> vladanian: I suppose you could rollback
[21:24] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/aHTWsbUZ
[21:24] <DanaG> wine died.
[21:24] <vladanian> richthegeek, I'm getting the same error with aptana studio  -- just using their tarball
[21:24] <richthegeek> and you tried it on two different installs of lucid? or two different networks?
[21:25] <yofel> vladanian: is the eclipse version from the eclipse site giving that error too?
[21:25] <bjsnider> vladanian, doesn't sound like the url it's trying to download from actually exists
[21:25] <yofel> hm, yeah, could be a server issue too
[21:26] <vladanian> yofel, I'll try with the version from their site.
[21:30] <DanaG> fixme:wave:wodOpen unimplemented format: WAVE_FORMAT_ADPCM
[21:32] <vladanian> bjsnider, I believe it's correct -- the addressed configured is this: http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo/
[21:32] <vladanian> When you visit it, it tells you it's the update repo
[21:32] <vladanian> the error does mention site.xml, but that's something that eclipse is adding or looking for on its own
[21:33] <DanaG> LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/usr/lib/dri:/usr/lib32/dri/
[21:33] <DanaG> ah, added that to /etc/environment/
[21:34] <vladanian> yofel, the eclipse version straight off the site gives the same error
[21:35] <yofel> ok, then it's either a server or configuration issue
[21:39] <vladanian> when I run from the terminal the recurring error is: org.apache.commons.httpclient.HttpMethodDirector executeWithRetry
[21:39] <vladanian> INFO: I/O exception (java.net.ConnectException) caught when processing request: Invalid argument
[21:39] <bjsnider> what is eclipse?
[21:40] <yofel> bjsnider: err... a quite popular IDE? (as long as we aren't talking about the sun at least)
[21:41] <vladanian> :)
[21:50] <DanaG> Interesting... HL2DM under Wine "Works" (to some degree) with the ATI open-source drivers... but only as long as audio in Wine is entirely disabled.
[21:52] <vladanian> richthegeek, yofel, bjsnider -- interestingly, I solved my problem by uninstalling openjdk packages and installing the sun-java6 ones
[21:52] <yofel> vladanian: LOL, file a bug about openjdk ^^
[21:53] <kklimonda> heh, Ubuntu could really use an awesome IDE for GNOME development..
[21:53] <DanaG> oh, and if wine audio is enabled... hl2dm starting just plain hangs.
[21:55] <atrus> empathy is running in lucid... how do i view the contact list?
[21:56] <atrus> i have a menu with my status in it, and a menu with shutdown/logout... and then the indicator-applet just has screen geometry settings... so i'm not sure where the empathy menu item went to.
[21:58] <atrus> i'm assuming that's wrong :)
[22:14] <arand> For the boot splash, is there a text and graphical version?
[22:19] <DanaG> ah, weird:
[22:19] <DanaG> xorg-edgers doesn't have updated versions of the 32-bit GL stuff!
[22:21] <arand> Bleh, still seing the plymouth-crash-on-enter..
[22:25] <rww> arand: what do you mean by "text and graphical version"? If you mean "can you turn off the shiny graphics stuff?" then yes. Remove plymouth and plymouth-x11
[22:26]  * maxb bemoans the lack of fsck progress displays
[22:26] <arand> there seems to be a graphical and text version of the plymouth boot splash...
[22:26]  * yofel agrees with maxb
[22:26] <DanaG> my gripe: the dots look like a progress bar that "lies" -- it goes from 0% to 100% over and over.
[22:27] <arand> DanaG: Just saw someone complaining about that in -devel :)
[22:27] <yofel> indeed, only one colored moving dot would be better
[22:28] <DanaG> yeah, it should "throb", not lie.
[22:30] <DanaG> oh, and I do still think the "superscript" logo looks like "registered trademark" symbol.
[22:33] <BUGabundo> ohhh maxb is back?
[22:33] <maxb> mountall has just checked my fs, found errors, claimed that it's "skipping it at user request", and started checking the same fs again :-(
[22:34] <BUGabundo> :p
[22:34] <maxb> Something weird happened to my connection
[22:35] <BUGabundo> I bet
[22:35] <BUGabundo> you were missed maxb
[22:36] <maxb> ?
[22:40] <Machtin> i need a text normalizer.. i tried convmv but that won't work: "ascii doesn't cover all needed characters for:" - any suggestions?
[22:41] <Machtin> oh, forget it.. i'm just an idiot. :/
[22:44] <maxb> Hmm, now mountall is fscking the same partition for the third time in a row
[22:46] <DanaG> ugh, with audio enabled, steam / hl2dm doesn't get past the intro videos to reach the menu.
[22:46] <DanaG> It just hangs.
[22:48]  * DanaG gives up on Wine.
[22:49] <charlie-tca__> If 32bit Xubuntu upgraded real easy from karmic, will I be sorry for trying the same thing in 64bit?
[22:49] <crimsun> DanaG: which version of wine? which backend?
[22:50] <crimsun> charlie-tca__: "maybe?"
[22:50] <DanaG> wine-1.1.40
[22:50] <DanaG> backend: alsa.
[22:50] <DanaG> with pulseaudio and without -- either way hangs.
[22:50]  * charlie-tca__ thinks "that's what I like, a real solid maybe"
[22:50] <DanaG> "without" being "under pasuspender"
[22:51] <DanaG> wait, interesting...
[22:51] <crimsun> err. Well, if you use pasuspender, you should probably use the oss backend.
[22:51] <DanaG> it seems this time hl2dm started... but the screen is invisible.
[22:51] <charlie-tca__> crimsun: I got a really stupid bug I told the reporters to redo as pulseaudio bug. It is causing abiword to fail?
[22:51] <DanaG> I'd much rather run it though PA -- since that's my preferred way of doing everything.
[22:51] <crimsun> charlie-tca__: does it involve pa_tls_set() in the trace?
[22:52] <charlie-tca__> let me look
[22:52] <DanaG> mmap() failed: Cannot allocate memory
[22:52] <DanaG> Assertion 'b' failed at pulsecore/memblock.c:451, function pa_memblock_acquire(). Aborting.
[22:52] <DanaG> wine: Assertion failed at address 0xf7781430 (thread 004f), starting debugger...
[22:52] <charlie-tca__> yup
[22:52] <crimsun> charlie-tca__: hmm, which version of abiword? 2.6.ish?
[22:52] <charlie-tca__> yup
[22:52] <crimsun> that is *so* *not* *a* *pulse* bug
[22:53] <charlie-tca__> NOOOO
[22:53] <charlie-tca__> so it is abiword?
[22:53] <charlie-tca__> I'll upstream it then
[22:53] <DanaG> weird... and this time, the menu is visible.
[22:53] <charlie-tca__> no
[22:53] <rww> crimsun: something tells me you're frustrated ;P
[22:53] <DanaG> and this time, it died in r600_dri
[22:53] <crimsun> abiword or one of its libraries is calling xmlCleanupParser() multiple times, and that is clearly an abuse of libxml2
[22:54] <charlie-tca__> one user removed pa and the bug went away
[22:54] <crimsun> charlie-tca__: it's already fixed in 2.8.ish or whatever Lucid ships
[22:54] <charlie-tca__> good to hear. That's even better
[22:54] <DanaG> I actually AM a fan of pulseaudio.
[22:54] <DanaG> Makes multi-device audio-handling awesome.
[22:55] <crimsun> the effect is that xmlCleanupParser() attempts to call out of a thread that no longer is mapped, and *boom*, the next thing to hit is pulse
[22:56] <crimsun> I've been going through the Lucid archive fixing these bugs
[22:56] <crimsun>    * src/{fpm_file,main}.c: Don't splatter xmlCleanupParser() everywhere;
[22:56] <crimsun>      call it once when the app exits. Not only is the former wrong
[22:56] <crimsun>      according to the huge warning in libxml2's parser.c, but doing so
[22:56] <crimsun>      makes it look like PulseAudio is (incorrectly) the culprit
[22:56] <crimsun>      (LP: #428702).
[22:56] <charlie-tca__> Okay. I fixed it
[22:57] <crimsun> seriously, if you see a pa_tls_set -> boom in the stack trace, it *isn't* a pulse bug. Go punch the other app in the eyes.
[22:57] <charlie-tca__> I can do that. Thanks for letting me know.
[22:57] <crimsun> np!
[22:58] <DanaG> it also spews err:wave:wodPlayer_WriteMaxFrags Error in writing wavehdr. Reason: Resource temporarily unavailable
[23:01] <IdleOne> http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/16/ubuntu-global-jam-time-to-rock-the-house/
[23:02] <crimsun> maco: the runes are on the KarmicCaveats page of DebuggingSoundProblems
[23:31] <blizzow> I just got the thinkpad edge and installed Ubuntu.  There are a couple of problems though.  1)  I plug in my headphones and sound still comes out of the machine, not out of the headphones.  2)  The wireless (realtek 8192 se) is still b0rked, even though I thought kernel >2.6.31 had support for the 8192 series cards.  Anyone here know if there is a setting that can be tweaked for the headphones and/or a way to enable the realtek wireless?
[23:32] <blizzow> I did try the realtek driver that is on realtek's site, but that thing only sees a couple of my available wifi networks.  Worse yet, it won't connect to any wifi.
[23:33] <DanaG> r8192se.... it should be in-kernel in Lucid; just needs the firmware.
[23:33] <DanaG> I've found I get far far better performance with ndiswrapper, though.
[23:33] <DanaG> FAR better.
[23:33] <DanaG> And 3 watts lower power usage, too.
[23:33] <mdlueck> Anyone know of services that use lsb start_daemon? I am seeing that work wrong since 9.10 and persists in today's daily ISO.
[23:34] <blizzow> DanaG: I've never used ndiswrapper, I'm kind of against it on principle.  Is it difficult to set up?
[23:35] <mdlueck> So wanted to install a package that also uses start_daemon and see if it does the same wrong thing with another package. Suggestions anyone?
[23:39] <Jordan_U> blizzow: Have you tried linux-backports-wireless or a vanilla upstream kernel?
[23:40] <blizzow> Jordan_U: nope, I just got Lucid installed on the box and these were the problems I have found right away.
[23:40] <blizzow> I'm actually less worried about the wireless, and more worried about the headphone jack.  I was wondering if maybe there is a Pulse or Alsa setting.
[23:42] <DanaG> there's an alsa backports-modules thingy, too.
[23:43] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the "kernel-ppa" kernels all have STAGING entirely disabled (as well as the already-stable CONFIG_RICOH_MMC )!
[23:43] <DanaG> so, they're not useful on my systems.
[23:44] <DanaG> I don't remember exactly what I had to do for ndiswrapper, but anyway, you can find "howto" things online.
[23:49] <crimsun> blizzow: use ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev's linux-alsa-driver-modules
[23:53] <mdlueck> Anyone else not able to connect to Samba servers using Nautilus in recent Lucid builds?
[23:54] <dupondje> mdlueck: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532024 ?
[23:55] <mdlueck> dupondje: Reading to see if it is the same as the bug I opened...
[23:56] <mdlueck> Which is... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/538250