| persia | cjwatson: Reading your updates to bug #538536 : is this in a state where I should proceed with install, or do you want me to keep the system uninstalled for a couple more weeks? | 01:12 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 538536 in parted "automatic partitioning broken on Intel Macs" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538536 | 01:12 |
| cjwatson | persia: I think it's worth you going ahead with a test | 01:12 |
| persia | OK :) If it succeeds, I'd like to leave the system installed : do you feel confident enough with your simulation that this is a safe path? | 01:15 |
| persia | (otherwise I'll do a test and leave it uninstalled) | 01:15 |
| cjwatson | I think that should be safe, assuming it works at all | 01:18 |
| cjwatson | partitioning doesn't usually tend to leave subtle hidden traps around for later | 01:19 |
| cjwatson | if there are traps, they're big and pointy | 01:19 |
| persia | heh. Yeah. I was more concerned about subtle stuff in the simulation. I'll run a test as soon as my cdimage mirror has 2.2-1ubuntu3 in the server image. | 01:21 |
| cjwatson | what I'm not certain about, and can't easily be, is whether the result will boot | 01:22 |
| cjwatson | we're using grub-pc rather than any of the -efi variants - and if you use one of the -efi variants, AFAIK you need to do somewhat different partitioning | 01:22 |
| cjwatson | so I suspect that the installer would need to be explicitly prepared for that somehow | 01:23 |
| persia | Is the use of an -efi variant expected to be required for this sort of hardware? | 01:23 |
| cjwatson | grub-pc should work, but you might need something EFI-ish to chain to it, like refit | 01:23 |
| cjwatson | or you might just be able to hold down Option at boot and have it work | 01:23 |
| cjwatson | the exact details have probably changed a bit since I was last deeply involved with Apple kit | 01:24 |
| persia | Hrm. I was planning to leave this system entirely headless. I guess I'll plan on keeping it not installed, unless it just works flawlessly. | 01:24 |
| cjwatson | anyway, I've been meaning to go to bed for about 40 minutes, so I shall go :) | 01:24 |
| cjwatson | night | 01:25 |
| persia | Night :) | 01:25 |
| CIA-3 | usb-creator: evand * r277 usb-creator/ (bin/usb-creator-helper debian/changelog): Don't write usb-creator-helper's log to /root (LP: #461064). | 10:07 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: cjwatson * r192 ubuntu/parted_server.c: abstract partition creation constraints | 11:28 |
| persia | cjwatson: The 20100315 Server image was unable to handle manual LVM, but successfully completed with guided LVM. As you predicted, the result didn't boot. Shall I add the logs to a new bug, or to the old one? | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | your old one is fine | 12:01 |
| cjwatson | I probably won't get further for beta-1 at this point | 12:02 |
| persia | No worries. I'm fairly sure I can get the system to be a basic sbuild host with what I have an grub-efi. Due to other circumstances, I'm not going to be able to set it up properly until right around Beta 2 release anyway, so I should be able to do another end-to-end run for that. | 12:03 |
| persia | And because of this, running more installs next week (but not this coming weekend) shouldn't interrupt much. | 12:04 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3931 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-language.py): | 13:16 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: * KDE frontend: | 13:16 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: - Honour ubiquity/show_alpha_warning. | 13:16 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3932 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-partman.py): | 13:43 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: * Noninteractive frontend: | 13:43 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: - Fix up plugin problems in the partman component (LP: #539493). | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | ev: I'm worried about the fact that we're seeing tracebacks from the noninteractive frontend from people who never asked for it. How would you feel about http://paste.ubuntu.com/396177/ ? | 13:44 |
| ev | cjwatson: I think that's fine, but maybe check with Mario as I believe he added the original code | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | hmm, not sure we have time to wait for Mario to get up | 13:47 |
| ev | if memory serves it was to work the problem now solved by your failsafe X work | 13:47 |
| ev | I'd just upload it then, given the above | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | superm1: ^- can you review the above post-hoc? I think that noninteractive should only be provided if you explicitly ask for it | 13:48 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3933 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.ubiquity.upstart): | 13:48 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Never start the noninteractive frontend unless it was explicitly | 13:48 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: requested. | 13:48 |
| superm1 | cjwatson, the worry was that if a monitor isn't plugged in in the factory, X doesn't start, so automatic doesn't work | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | superm1: the fact that noninteractive is being started on innocent users' machines TERRIFIES ME | 13:50 |
| cjwatson | yes, I know it generally doesn't do much because it isn't preseeded, but even so | 13:50 |
| superm1 | cjwatson, understood, perhaps only if automatic-ubiquity was passed do the noninteractive fallback then, if it's just only or maybe-ubiquity mode don't have a fallback? | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | and we get all sorts of weird crash reports as a result of this. We need something better | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | it would be OK in automatic mode | 13:51 |
| ev | wubi runs in automatic mode | 13:52 |
| ev | but I suppose that's still okay | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I think so, it's preseeded what it wants to do | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | ok, thanks, done | 13:54 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3934 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.ubiquity.upstart): Only fall through to the noninteractive frontend in automatic mode. | 13:54 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3935 ubiquity/debian/changelog: better bug number | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | *blink* bug 539353 has an RTF file attached | 14:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 539353 in ubiquity "Install crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539353 | 14:01 |
| cjwatson | that's a blast from the past | 14:01 |
| soren | I wonder what possesses people to do something like that. | 14:02 |
| persia | copy&paste into a word processor? | 14:11 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3936 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.2.1 | 14:11 |
| soren | persia: Yes. | 14:13 |
| persia | soren: In many environments in the past, real text editors are hidden from the users. I believe this is still true in recent versions of Mac OS X. | 14:14 |
| persia | So users develop habits that continue into other environments. | 14:15 |
| * soren admits to have had a brief period where he exclusively jotted down notes in LaTeX | 14:22 | |
| highvoltage | Hi! | 14:46 |
| highvoltage | I have a zenity dialog I'd like to be displayed close to the end of the installation that will perform some additional configuration in the target system | 14:46 |
| highvoltage | I put it in /usr/lib/ubiquity/target-config, it's number is the last in the bunch that's there and it's excecutable, I'm not sure if that's the best place to put it but it seems so | 14:47 |
| highvoltage | ubiquity doesn't pop up the dialog though, it just seems to hang while doing the "Configuring target system..." stage, the script runs fine if executed seperately | 14:48 |
| highvoltage | any advice on how to get it working properly would be greatly appreciated! | 14:49 |
| CIA-3 | usb-creator: evand * r278 usb-creator/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 15:57 |
| CIA-3 | usb-creator: * Provide a format confirmation dialog (LP: #443330). | 15:57 |
| CIA-3 | usb-creator: * Error out of formatting if we're unable to unmount all of the | 15:57 |
| CIA-3 | usb-creator: partitions (LP: #507420). | 15:57 |
| CIA-3 | usb-creator: * Provide feedback via a spinning cursor and disabled format button | 15:57 |
| CIA-3 | usb-creator: while formatting (LP: #457737). | 15:57 |
| CIA-3 | usb-creator: * Only call gtk.main_quit if we're in a mainloop. | 15:57 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3937 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): | 16:10 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Quit plymouth if it doesn't have an active VT, rather than trying to | 16:10 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: reuse the VT it doesn't have, which results in X running on VT1. | 16:10 |
| ev | ah, I was wondering why that was happening | 16:12 |
| ev | interesting | 16:13 |
| ev | the kde frontend is using nearly 100% cpu | 16:14 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3938 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.2.2 | 16:30 |
| exlt | I have dug thru the last week's irc logs and ref'ed partitioning bugs - there is something wildly broken with partman recently.. been using a very simple partman-auto/expert_recipe for months almost identical to the example on https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html | 18:36 |
| exlt | errors out with cannot write partitions outside of device (or very similar) | 18:37 |
| exlt | removed all partitioning preseeding and picked default "guided - use entire disk" | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | can you please file a new bug with your logs (syslog and partman) attached? | 18:38 |
| exlt | partitions suggested are...interesting | 18:38 |
| exlt | logs are not exactly available since it cannot install | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | sure they are | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | go back to the main menu and select "Save debug logs" | 18:39 |
| exlt | ah, that's right - sorry forgot | 18:39 |
| cjwatson | or, switch to alt-f2 and run 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' to get yourself scp | 18:39 |
| cjwatson | there are known problems, but I'll need to analyse your logs in order to determine whether what you're seeing is related to anything else | 18:40 |
| exlt | but even the suggested defaults of (completely blank 500G drive) http://12.am/tmp/lucid_partman-hmmm.png - that's quite unexpected | 18:40 |
| cjwatson | yes | 18:40 |
| cjwatson | but I would prefer to debug logs rather than screenshots. :-) | 18:40 |
| exlt | ok - could you suggest a package to file under? partman-(something) ;) | 18:41 |
| cjwatson | partman-base | 18:41 |
| exlt | perfect | 18:41 |
| exlt | thanks, cjwatson - hate to keep bugging you :) | 18:41 |
| cjwatson | that's ok, I'd rather know about problems | 18:42 |
| sbeattie | cjwatson: bug 539774 is probably the same thing. | 18:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 539774 in debian-installer "Manual partitioning sizes are not honored at all" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539774 | 18:54 |
| sbeattie | (bug report has partman logs attached) | 18:55 |
| cjwatson | possibly. | 18:56 |
| cjwatson | elmo reported something similar-sounding too. | 18:56 |
| exlt | start of first partition at 2049 was what I saw yesterday, too | 18:56 |
| cjwatson | exlt: as in LBA 2049? | 19:01 |
| cjwatson | that's intentional | 19:01 |
| cjwatson | starting at 16GB+ is a somewhat different matter, and is not intentional | 19:01 |
| cjwatson | starting at 1MiB improves compatibility with various hardware and OSes | 19:02 |
| exlt | no - same as that bug has - cyl 2049 and 16.8G free before first part | 19:02 |
| cjwatson | oh, *cylinder* 2049 | 19:04 |
| cjwatson | helps to specify your units ;-) | 19:04 |
| cjwatson | even if they are crazy obsolete ones like cylinders ;-) | 19:05 |
| * cjwatson wonders if it's possible to query blkid's idea of topology from the command line | 19:05 | |
| exlt | I could be wrong on cyl - whatever the "Start" value is in fdisk -l - cyl, sector.. | 19:07 |
| exlt | it is cylinders | 19:08 |
| exlt | perhaps that intentional start after the first 2048 cylinders is the bug | 19:09 |
| cjwatson | no, you have misstated what I said | 19:14 |
| cjwatson | I never said that there was an intentional start after 2048 cylinders | 19:14 |
| cjwatson | I've reproduced the weird partitioning alignment in kvm, so should be able to fix it | 19:32 |
| cjwatson | the size of the disk matters - my usual test size of 3GB exhibited 1MiB alignment, but 200GB exhibited 16GiB alignment | 19:33 |
| sbeattie | cjwatson: hrm, but why did it not align everything; e.g. why was 2GB I specified for swap created as gap *after* the 16GB swap space it created? | 19:37 |
| cjwatson | who knows, it's clearly screwed | 19:39 |
| exlt | cjwatson: #539822 has my logs attached | 19:45 |
| cjwatson | sbeattie: it could easily be a difference between primary and logical partitions or something - at this point I'm strongly suspecting a bug inside libparted | 19:50 |
| cjwatson | exlt: thanks, since I've reproduced it I should be OK from here | 19:50 |
| exlt | :) | 19:51 |
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