[10:57] <dholbach> pleia2, popey, nixternal: around?
[11:01] <popey> dholbach: ya
[11:01] <dholbach> Technoviking: still there? :)
[11:01] <Technoviking> morning
[11:01] <dholbach> I pinged sabdfl but he might be busy with other stuff
[11:02] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda only lists "Council election process, and standardization thereof" which should be resolved with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing
[11:02] <dholbach> do you know of any other items we should discuss?
[11:04] <persia> I'll note that some of my email regarding developer membership was discussed at last week's TB meeting : those not seeing more discussion in email who have specific interest may want to review that log.
[11:04] <persia> Out of that came an action item for me to repropose something different, which I'll be sending to the CC and TB in due course.
[11:04] <dholbach> thanks a bunch persia
[11:05] <dholbach> pleia2, Technoviking, popey: anything else?
[11:05]  * dholbach will update the agenda and the team report :)
[11:05] <popey> :)
[11:05] <Technoviking> nope
[11:07] <dholbach> meeting adjourned - thanks :)
[11:07] <czajkowski> short and sweet
[11:08] <Technoviking> cheers, back to bed :)
[11:09]  * dholbach hugs you all :)
[13:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[13:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander.
[13:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:01] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100316
[13:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100316
[13:01] <persia> Much better on that time thing this week :)
[13:01] <plars> yay :)
[13:03] <davidm> G'day NCommander
[13:03]  * NCommander pokes GrueMaster ogra ericm_ 
[13:04]  * GrueMaster pokes back with a sharper, longer stick.
[13:04] <NCommander> :-P
[13:04]  * ericm_ pokes back
[13:04] <NCommander> [topic] Action Items from March 9th, 2010
[13:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Items from March 9th, 2010
[13:05] <NCommander> [topic] asac and JamieBennett to triage netbook-launcher-efl bugs
[13:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  asac and JamieBennett to triage netbook-launcher-efl bugs
[13:05] <GrueMaster> they are at lean training.  C/O
[13:05] <NCommander> ah, yes
[13:05] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails
[13:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails
[13:06] <plars> also out, skip
[13:06] <NCommander> all the other action items are ogra's
[13:06] <NCommander> so
[13:06] <NCommander> [topic] Current Items
[13:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Current Items
[13:06] <plars> so short meeting today! :)
[13:06] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[13:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[13:07] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[13:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[13:07] <NCommander> burndown chart looking happier
[13:08] <StevenK> Sorry about that
[13:08] <NCommander> StevenK: np
[13:08] <plars> hmm, not the beta1 one
[13:11] <NCommander> Anyone else have anything to say on the burndown charts, or can I move on?
[13:11] <davidm> NCommander, they look better then I expected so move on
[13:11] <GrueMaster> forward, hoa
[13:11] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[13:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[13:12] <ericm_> I guess cooloney is on his biz travel to Beijing
[13:13] <ericm_> from dove POV, nothing really interested, Marvell has another several fixing patches but none of them addresses any LP bugs
[13:13] <ericm_> I've sent the git pull request to apw just now, together with a workaround for the audio crash bug in mplayer
[13:13] <ericm_> and hopefully we'll get a new kernel in several days
[13:14] <NCommander> nice
[13:14] <GrueMaster> The mplayer crash was fixed in latest kernel.
[13:14] <NCommander> ericm_: can I move on?
[13:14] <apw> will try and get you a test kernel today
[13:14] <ericm_> NCommander, yes please
[13:14] <ericm_> apw, thanks
[13:14] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[13:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[13:15] <GrueMaster> I've posted some bullets on the meeting web page.
[13:15] <plars> looks like someone already put some decent status there, thanks GrueMaster
[13:15] <GrueMaster> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100316\
[13:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100316\
[13:15] <plars> big thing this week is beta 1
[13:15] <plars> please help test images (if/when they become available)
[13:15] <plars> speaking of which... is there something we need to do to get the images to show up there?
[13:16] <plars> for armel that is?
[13:16] <plars> oh wait
[13:16] <plars> they are now it seems
[13:16] <persia> plars: It's often just a matter of timing, etc.
[13:16] <plars> nm... odd that I didn't get subscription notification of them
[13:16] <GrueMaster> I asked yesterday, and they mentioned needing to do a respin due to an Ubiquity issue.
[13:17] <plars> I am down to just my imx51 board, so anyone who has stuff to test on, would be very useful
[13:17] <GrueMaster> Yes, interesting.  I didn't either.
[13:18]  * GrueMaster also notices a netboot with 20081029ubuntu90?
[13:18] <GrueMaster> date seems to be a bit off.
[13:19] <NCommander> GrueMaster: looks like a QA tracker bug, i386/amd64 are the same
[13:19] <GrueMaster> Ah
[13:19] <StevenK> netboot's are built with the version number of d-i, not the date.
[13:19] <StevenK> So it isn't a bug
[13:19] <GrueMaster> ah, that would explain it.
[13:20] <GrueMaster> In more critical news, I have narrowed down the bug on imx51 suspend.  It isn't a kernel issue.
[13:22] <GrueMaster> I tested several images since Alpha 3, and found that the image dated 0303 works, but 0305 does not.  The only relevant package that I can tell that changed was pm-utils, but that was a fix for nvidia only.  Doubt that it would make a difference, but I plan on testing it anyways to see.
[13:23] <GrueMaster> The interesting part is that if you start with an image from 0303 and just run updates, it will still work.
[13:23] <persia> What!
[13:24] <plars> GrueMaster: that's not completely true, at least in my experience
[13:24] <NCommander> GrueMaster: ow
[13:24] <persia> That points at some difference in how the packages are configured during image build.
[13:24] <plars> GrueMaster: when I got the new kernel, it broke for me, starting at the 0303 image
[13:24] <NCommander> plars: GrueMaster: are you both testing on the same hardware revisions?
[13:24] <plars> reverting to the one that cooloney gave us, fixed it for me
[13:24] <plars> babbage 3.0 is what I'm on
[13:25] <GrueMaster> Same here.  I'll test the new kernel on 0303.  I had thought that you reported the new kernel as working, but you had only been doing updates (hence my deduction).
[13:26] <plars> I reported in the bug that the rebuilt kernel that he pointed to in the previous comment worked for me
[13:26] <GrueMaster> yes, that was what I thought.
[13:27] <GrueMaster> I had said that the same kernel failed for me, but I was testing off a newer image.
[13:28] <GrueMaster> At any rate, it is a regression that so far isn't entirely kernel based.
[13:28] <plars> clearly there's some more investigation to be done here, but I think we can work on that outside the meeting
[13:29] <NCommander> [action] GrueMaster & plars to investigate imx51 suspend issue offline
[13:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  GrueMaster & plars to investigate imx51 suspend issue offline
[13:30] <NCommander> anything else on the topic we need?
[13:30] <ericm_> NCommander, just wondering why there is no recent image on cdimage?
[13:30] <GrueMaster> Nothing new to report on the sound issue with dove.  More testing is needed, and the new kernel patches "may" fix it.
[13:30] <ericm_> still
[13:30] <GrueMaster> ericm_: 20100316 isn't recent enough?
[13:31] <ericm_> GrueMaster, convince me with URL?
[13:31] <plars> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/
[13:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/
[13:31] <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/20100316/
[13:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/20100316/
[13:32] <plars> ericm_: could be that you are looking under the old location?
[13:32] <ericm_> no more desktop? sorry I think I missed something
[13:32] <plars> a few weeks back, desktop was dropped yes
[13:32] <GrueMaster> Desktop builds were stopped during the sprint.
[13:32] <plars> in favor of netbook 2d launcher based images
[13:32]  * ericm_ oops
[13:33] <plars> :)
[13:33]  * ericm_ starts the downloading
[13:33] <persia> Um, just as a side note, there may still be some leftover images, but they were *intended* to be dropped.
[13:33] <StevenK> Sorry, I probably should have told the kernel guys that
[13:33] <StevenK> persia: Can we spend some time tomorrow going over that?
[13:33] <GrueMaster> I thought they knew since they were at the sprint working with us.
[13:33] <persia> NCommander: Could you action me to kill the rest of the leftover images tomorrow?
[13:33] <ericm_> StevenK, that's OK - my bad - because I'm still seeing desktop images maybe a weeks ago
[13:33] <NCommander> [action] persia to bring death to leftover images on antimony
[13:33] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to bring death to leftover images on antimony
[13:34] <persia> StevenK: Absolutely.  Sorry it slipped my mind today.
[13:34] <persia> NCommander: It's beryllium/chromium/etc. I care about : more poisonous metals I leave for other folk, but sure.
[13:35] <StevenK> ericm_: Where are you seeing those images?
[13:35]  * persia is also curious, because a week ago there should not have been a desktop live
[13:35] <StevenK> Indeed, I killed it with fire
[13:35] <StevenK> persia: Currently only chromium
[13:35] <ericm_> StevenK, maybe cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/* - but I cannot remember the date, maybe back several weeks ago
[13:36] <StevenK> ericm_: There's no armel there now :-)
[13:36] <persia> StevenK: That wasn't true when I synced 12 hours ago, but sure :)
[13:36] <persia> ericm_: Several weeks ago, I'd believe.
[13:36] <ericm_> StevenK, persia, now I'm clear - thanks
[13:36] <StevenK> persia: I just got defeated by the round-robin-dns-but-we'll-only-tell-you-one thing
[13:36] <persia> Anyway, let's move on.  ericm_ will play with netbook images, and StevenK and I will fiddle scripts to make sure everything is clean.
[13:37] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:37] <persia> StevenK: Yeah.  I only see multiple names because I watch iftop during my mirror runs sometimes :)
[13:38]  * NCommander pokes dyfet 
[13:39] <dyfet> We have decided not to package canola2 for lucid
[13:39] <persia> Considering how many freezes are in effect, that's a good thing :)
[13:40] <dyfet> Well more to the point, parts of it are using entirely depreciated dependencies that we should not package either
[13:40] <dyfet> So we may not be using it in lucid +1 either...
[13:42] <ian_brasil> but if you have the 2D launcher you have the dependencies, no?
[13:42] <persia> We did get a different enlightment media player into lucid though.
[13:42] <dyfet> It also uses etk
[13:42]  * persia checks
[13:42] <dyfet> and epsilon
[13:42] <persia> enna
[13:44] <NCommander> may I move on?
[13:44] <dyfet> yes
[13:44] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[13:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[13:45] <NCommander> OOo is almost resolved. ARM sent a revised patch which I need to test
[13:45] <NCommander> chromium-browser is showing some odd platform specific behavior. Bugs filed
[13:45] <NCommander> (also a general bug with it in UNE)
[13:48] <NCommander> dyfet: anything else to add?
[13:48] <plars> NCommander: did you file a bug on the decoration/maximus issue?
[13:48] <dyfet> Yes
[13:48] <dyfet> I had a small patch for squid ftbfs
[13:49] <persia> You fixed squid!  Excellent!.
[13:49] <dyfet> Well, I took Loic's suggestion...
[13:49] <dyfet> And made it into a patch :)
[13:49] <NCommander> plars: yeah, its tagged une since its not armel specific
[13:50] <plars> NCommander: great, I was going to offer if you hadn't already
[13:51] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[13:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[13:51] <persia> Images seem to be building, but are still a bit buggy.
[13:52] <persia> squid was the last big missing piece on Monday (didn't check today)
[13:52] <persia> I'm having an issue that I can't boot some recent images, but I think that's just me.
[13:52] <persia> Nothing else, unless someone else has something.
[13:53] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[13:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[13:53] <GrueMaster> Are we going to have kexec this cycle?
[13:54] <GrueMaster> I believe that is what is needed for dual booting images, right?
[13:54] <NCommander> GrueMaster: no
[13:54] <NCommander> not unless something drastically changes between now and release
[13:55] <GrueMaster> If we are not going to have a supported method for dual booting, I would like to suggest we remove the side-by-side installation option from Ubiquity.
[13:56] <GrueMaster> Since the only way to dual boot currently is with a lot of magic and a serial port.
[13:56] <NCommander> GrueMaster: file a bug :-)
[13:57] <NCommander> anything else, or can I close out the meeting
[13:57] <ian_brasil> Ubuntu Liquid Update: I spoke with the upstream author of plasma mobile @ the Bossa Conference and he is happy for us to work on making it available in ubuntu :). He said an October time frame is realistic if we help out on Kwin and other issues. There is now an official initiative to break up kde libs http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-maemo/2010-February/000059.html and we are participating on that too. We would like the standing item back and w
[13:57] <ian_brasil> ant to have everything in-archive by the week of 3rd June, so we can play with Alpha 1
[13:58] <NCommander> ian_brasil: woo. Sounds like we'll have a ubuntu-liquid-remix for lucid+1
[13:58] <NCommander> :-)
[13:58] <ian_brasil> it is not called remix now..just ubuntu liquid
[13:59] <persia> Well, we'll see.
[13:59] <NCommander> ian_brasil: I thought it had to be called remix unless approved by the TB
[13:59] <persia> We'll try to make it not a remix, at least.
[13:59] <persia> NCommander: No, it has to be called a remix unless it's a flavour.
[13:59]  * NCommander notes persia would probably know the trademark policy better than I will
[13:59] <ian_brasil> ok..either is fine by me
[13:59] <persia> It isn't yet clear whether that needs TB approval (although I think it ought).
[13:59] <NCommander> ian_brasil: we'll have something. What that something is called is $UNDEFINED
[13:59]  * NCommander notices a running tread with platform related items, and names
[13:59] <persia> NCommander: Not trademark, but anyway, yeah.
[14:00] <NCommander> any objections if I close out the meeting?
[14:00] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:00.
[15:04]  * stgraber looks around for a DMB meeting (and check he isn't wrong due to the DST change last weekend)
[15:04] <persia> You7re an hour early :)
[15:04]  * bdrung_ is here and waits for it's beginning
[15:05] <stgraber> doh, is the fridge lying ? I'm using the feed from it and it says it's time ...
[15:05] <bdrung_> persia: date -u returns Di 16. Mär 15:05:01 UTC 2010
[15:05] <cjwatson> here
[15:05] <persia> Oh, cool!
[15:05] <persia> Then it is now.
[15:05] <cjwatson> the DST change was only in the US
[15:05] <stgraber> great because in an hour I'll most likely not be online :)
[15:05] <cjwatson> wasn't it?  at least not in Europe
[15:05] <stgraber> cjwatson: and Canada ;)
[15:06] <cjwatson> this week is Daylight Confusion Time
[15:06] <persia> I just thought I remembered the meeting being an hour later local time, and since we don't have DST here, didn't expect any change.
[15:07] <stgraber> ping nixternal, soren
[15:08] <stgraber> hmm, ok, let's hope they'll show up soon (also pinged geser in -devel)
[15:09] <cjwatson> I can't get the agenda wiki page to load here
[15:09] <cjwatson> oh, now that I say that, there it is
[15:09] <stgraber> wiki is extremely slow today (as in, worst than usual)
[15:10] <stgraber> shall we start anyway and hope the others will join ? (we don't have quorum)
[15:14] <cjwatson> we appointed geser as the chair, but:
[15:14] <cjwatson> 15:41 <geser> I'm (if my university schedule permits it which I still have to look at)
[15:14] <cjwatson> anyone contacted Cody?
[15:14] <stgraber> ok, and I said by mail that I'd be fine being the chair for that meeting as well
[15:14] <stgraber> cjwatson: nope, can't find him onIRC
[15:14] <cjwatson> I think we need to revisit the meeting schedule.  This doesn't seem to be working out.
[15:14] <cjwatson> I don't see him on irc.canonical.com either
[15:15] <stgraber> looking at the agenda, we only have membership applications to discuss and we have no quorum
[15:15] <persia> soren was around not too long ago.
[15:15] <soren> I'm afraid I won't be able to make the meeting today. An unfortunate combination of my wife's schedule at university, DST change, and day care pick ups has rendered today a bit of a planning nightmare for me.
[15:15] <stgraber> so we can either discuss them now and continue by mail or hope they'll show up
[15:15] <cjwatson> soren: ah well, thanks
[15:16] <cjwatson> angelabad's application has one advocate comment, but that is for membership not for MOTU
[15:16]  * persia goes to deal with the *extremely belated* outstanding action item.
[15:16] <cjwatson> so I'm a bit confused
[15:17] <persia> I think angelabad's application isn't complete.  If nobody objects, I'll contact him with some gudeance.
[15:17] <cjwatson> I'm wondering if he applied for the wrong thing by mistake
[15:17] <cjwatson> I don't object, I think that would be useful
[15:17] <persia> I think he's under the impression one must be accepted before one may contribute much.
[15:18] <stgraber> persia: agreed
[15:18] <cjwatson> I don't think that, unfortunately, we can do very much with bdrung's application without quorum; it looks well-formed (although only one advocate), and he's well-known, but for a core-dev application we should discuss it with a quorate DMB
[15:18] <persia> I'll agree with that.
[15:19] <cjwatson> wasn't there a web site somewhere that one could use to help arrange meeting times?
[15:19] <cjwatson> I forget its name, it had some kind of whizzy UI
[15:19] <persia> There was.
[15:20] <stgraber> doodle.ch
[15:20] <persia> http://www.doodle.com/
[15:20] <stgraber> oh, they have .com now :)
[15:20] <persia> Anyway, doodle :)
[15:26] <persia> So, do we want to set up a doodle poll?
[15:27] <stgraber> yeah
[15:27]  * persia is doing so
[15:28] <stgraber> great, thanks
[15:30] <cjwatson> is there anything else we can realistically do?
[15:31] <persia> http://www.doodle.com/hq3ysna8z3bccm7w
[15:31] <cjwatson> oh, hello geser
[15:31] <cjwatson> are you here or is that just your client?
[15:31]  * geser is here, just arrived back home from work
[15:32] <persia> Well then.
[15:33] <persia> stgraber: Shall we start?
[15:33] <geser> oh, the meeting didn't start yet?
[15:34] <persia> No, we weren't quorate
[15:35] <cjwatson> also I believe you're the chair - there was no point selecting another one until we had quorum :)
[15:36] <persia> I thought stgraber volunteered for chair in an immediate reply to the minutes.
[15:36] <persia> (but I don't really care who chairs as long as it's not me again)
[15:37] <bdrung_> let's start
[15:38] <geser> I can do it (have do it sometime anyways)
[15:38] <stgraber-n900_> geser: I'd appreciate it
[15:38] <geser> #startmeeting
[15:38] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:38. The chair is geser.
[15:38] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:38] <stgraber-n900_> a n900 isn't exactly fast to type on
[15:39] <cjwatson> I've had worse phones for that, but yes :)
[15:39] <geser> [TOPIC] persia to gather votes from absent members by email
[15:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to gather votes from absent members by email
[15:39] <nixternal> hola
[15:39] <geser> what's the status of this? is it done or still pending?
[15:39] <persia> I fail.  Hoping to get that out *during* this meeting.
[15:40] <geser> Whose application was this and whose vote is missing?
[15:42] <persia> cyphermox and nixternal,soren,cjwatson
[15:42] <cjwatson> oh, really?  sorry I missed that
[15:42]  * nixternal looks
[15:42] <cjwatson> I don't have the context right now but happy to process by mail
[15:42] <persia> cjwatson: You weren't able to make that meeting, and I've been consistently failing to complain about it.
[15:43] <nixternal> hehe
[15:44] <geser> [ACTION] nixternal, soren and cjwatson send the missing vote per mail
[15:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nixternal, soren and cjwatson send the missing vote per mail
[15:45] <geser> is "Administrative Matters" in the agenda a real topic or only category title?
[15:45] <persia> It's a category title.
[15:45] <persia> Mail sent.  Sorry to not send it for so long.
[15:46] <geser> [TOPIC] MOTU application: AngelAbad
[15:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU application: AngelAbad
[15:46] <geser> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AngelAbad
[15:46] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AngelAbad
[15:46] <cjwatson> 15:16 <cjwatson> angelabad's application has one advocate comment, but that is for membership not for MOTU
[15:47] <cjwatson> 15:17 <cjwatson> I'm wondering if he applied for the wrong thing by mistake
[15:47] <cjwatson> 15:17 <persia> I think angelabad's application isn't complete.  If nobody objects, I'll contact him with some gudeance.
[15:47] <cjwatson> 15:17 <cjwatson> I don't object, I think that would be useful
[15:47] <cjwatson> 15:17 <persia> I think he's under the impression one must be accepted before one may contribute much.
[15:47] <cjwatson> 15:18 <stgraber> persia: agreed
[15:47] <persia> and he's also not here
[15:47] <cjwatson> geser: if you also agree, let's action persia to do that
[15:47] <nixternal> cjwatson: +1 here on contact
[15:47] <geser> [ACTION] persia contacts angelabad about his application
[15:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia contacts angelabad about his application
[15:47]  * cjwatson removes the blinkers and notices nixternal is here too
[15:48] <nixternal> lol
[15:48] <nixternal> w00t, my ninja skills are real!!!
[15:48] <geser> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Core Developer Application: Benjamin Drung
[15:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Core Developer Application: Benjamin Drung
[15:48] <geser> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BenjaminDrung/CoreDeveloperApplication
[15:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BenjaminDrung/CoreDeveloperApplication
[15:48] <nixternal> bdrung_: hola
[15:48]  * bdrung_ waves.
[15:49] <bdrung_> my applications lacks comments from asac and pitti
[15:50] <cjwatson> asac: are you here for a quick comment on bdrung's core-dev application?
[15:53] <persia> I believe asac to be unavailable at this time.
[15:54] <nixternal> bdrung_: how would Ubuntu benefit if you were to become a core-dev?
[15:55] <bdrung_> nixternal: the sponsors queue will be shorter. working on sponsoring main packages in my intention for applying
[15:55] <bdrung_> ( http://overbenny.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/empty-ubuntu-universe-sponsors-queue/ )
[15:56] <cjwatson> the archive queue has a huge variance, btw, due to periodic semi-automatic processing :)
[15:57] <geser> bdrung_: so the only reason why the main queue got so long is because of lacking sponsors? or do you see other reasons too?
[15:57] <cjwatson> but yes, I'd definitely like to see more people working on the main queue
[15:57] <cjwatson> bdrung_: I see mozilla-devscripts is in Debian; how has it been received there?
[15:57] <nixternal> well, I now know what lilypond is. i borrowed some code from their kde client just recently because the code snippet i was looking for they had :)
[15:59] <cjwatson> I like the look of dh_xul-ext, from a brief glance
[16:00] <bdrung_> geser: yes, there are not enough sponsors. the quotient between core-devs and patch supplier is worse than the quotient between motus and patch suppliers. core-devs have probably more to do than motus and therefore not enough time for sponsoring
[16:00]  * jjohansen waves
[16:00] <nixternal> bdrung_: I see lucene2 FTBFS 7 weeks ago (2010-01-26), any reason why this hasn't been fixed yet in Lucid?
[16:00] <persia> and we're out of time :(
[16:00] <cjwatson> urgh, are we running into the server team meeting?
[16:00] <persia> We are.
[16:01] <cjwatson> can we extend by 5-10 minutes to get this done?
[16:01] <cjwatson> jiboumans: ^
[16:01] <geser> bdrung_: how do you plan to make sure your sponsoring doesn't interfere with work from other core-dev?
[16:01] <bdrung_> cjwatson: mozilla-devscripts was brought to debian before i start working on it heavily. we use it for many extensions now.
[16:01] <jiboumans> cjwatson: server team meeting is tomorrow, last i checked
[16:01] <jiboumans> cjwatson: so please, go right ahead :)
[16:02] <persia> jjohansen: Which meeting is this?
[16:02] <JFo> kernel team persia
[16:02] <cjwatson> oh, kernel team
[16:02] <cjwatson> sorry, failed to check the calendar
[16:02] <persia> pgraner: Can we have 10 minutes?
[16:02] <bdrung_> nixternal: i can't reproduce the lucene2 FTBFS. it fails due to a lack of network access. i tried it with disabled network, but it still compiles. help is welcome.
[16:02] <cjwatson> bdrung_: we've clashed a bit regarding parts of the units policy, I know.  how do you plan to continue with the changes there?
[16:03] <bdrung_> geser: if there is a possible conflict, i'll try to contact the previous uploader
[16:04] <nixternal> pesky xml test
[16:04] <bdrung_> cjohnston: short: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554172
[16:05] <cjwatson> (please fix tab completion :-) )  yeah, am subscribed to that, it seems to be making good progress
[16:05] <cjwatson> you're primarily interested in the GNOME bits then?
[16:05] <bdrung_> long: i try to get a solution in glib (probably introducing a set of new functions and deprecate the old function) and then port all apps
[16:05]  * persia notices the kernel team meeting is 17:00 UTC, and breathes easily
[16:07] <bdrung_> cjwatson: i primarily concentrate on glib, because this library has the biggest impact and solving this lib blocks fixing the other apps.
[16:08] <pgraner> persia: yea
[16:08] <persia> bdrung_: To what degree do you feel that teams that focus on groups of packages (e.g. kubuntu team, server team) should be granted authority over those packages?
[16:08] <bdrung_> cjwatson: i have a patch for thunar waiting for the beta release. kde uses IEC prefixes. therefore a change there isn't that urgent
[16:08] <cjwatson> right - we're certainly getting to the point where I think those changes should be held off to lucid+1, but that approach makes sense in general
[16:08] <bdrung_> persia: regarding sponsoring patches?
[16:09] <persia> bdrung_: That would likely be an example that's closest to what you'd first encounter, given your declared future plans :)
[16:09] <bdrung_> cjohnston: safe patches to fix SI prefix abuse, but targetting lucid+1 for bigger patches (probably transmission)
[16:10] <nixternal> hehe, tab complete bites again
[16:10] <bdrung_> damn, that tab completion mistake happens to often
[16:11]  * dholbach renames cjwatson to Kamion ;-)
[16:11] <nixternal> bdrung_: i think my last question is this...what is the current state of eclipse in lucid? (this might lead to another one maybe) :)
[16:13] <bdrung_> nixternal: we are only a few days away from releasing eclipse 3.5.2-1 to debian. we have to fix lucene2 and someone needs to let libjasper-java pass NEW. Then we can sync (or merge [due to xulrunner-1.9.2])
[16:14] <nixternal> nice
[16:14] <bdrung_> persia: i rephrase your question? do you ask, if the upload right can be transferred to one team (like kubuntu team) only?
[16:14] <nixternal> you think that will get down in time to make it into lucid or it looking to be a lucid+1 deal?
[16:15] <persia> bdrung_: No.  I ask for your personal opinion about the level of coordination you expect to engage in when working on packages also maintained by such teams.
[16:16] <bdrung_> nixternal: definitively lucid. it will fix #453036. The source is now free of .exe, .dll, .so, .so.2, *.a, .sl, .jnilib, .jar, .class, and .zip files. Removing the .class files took us some time.
[16:17]  * nixternal does a bit of a happy dance :)
[16:17] <bdrung_> nixternal: look at http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-java/eclipse.git;a=summary and you will see that we are actively working on eclipse
[16:18] <geser> bdrung_: and you are confident that eclipse 3.5.2 won't include new bugs that short before release?
[16:18]  * persia will support that contention, seeing daily activity from bdrung on eclipse
[16:19] <bdrung_> persia: i have no clear image yet, but i will try to contact the teams (or asking them for doing the sponsoring themself).
[16:20] <bdrung_> geser: there is one issue that is not fixed yet, but i don't worry about bugs. 3.5.2 is a bug fix release (compared to 3.5.1) and the packaging has improved.
[16:21] <bdrung_> geser: the eclipse team has currently 3 active members and some more testers.
[16:22] <bdrung_> everything answered or did i miss a question?
[16:22] <persia> stgraber-n900_: You still about?  You said something about time limitations before.
[16:23] <stgraber-n900_> yeah, I'm away from the office
[16:23] <stgraber-n900_> but online on my cell :)
[16:23] <stgraber-n900_> (multi-tasking quite a bit)
[16:24] <geser> anyone still have questions?
[16:24] <nixternal> I think I have attention defecit disorder, and because of that, I multi-task for all the wrong reasons
[16:24] <nixternal> geser: no more from me, I am good
[16:24] <cjwatson> shall we proceed to a vote?  we all seem to be questioned out
[16:25] <stgraber-n900_> nothing that wasn't already asked
[16:25]  * nixternal is ready to vote
[16:26] <geser> [VOTE] bdrung_ becoming a Ubuntu Core Developer
[16:26] <MootBot> Please vote on:  bdrung_ becoming a Ubuntu Core Developer.
[16:26] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[16:26] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[16:26] <nixternal> +1
[16:26] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:26] <cjwatson> +1
[16:26] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:26] <persia> +1 : I'm happy with historical patch complexity, and suckered because bdrung is so very active in so many of my favorite areas.
[16:26] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:26] <geser> +1
[16:26] <stgraber-n900_> +1
[16:26] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:26] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber-n900_. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[16:26] <cjwatson> persia: heh
[16:27] <nixternal> persia: I agree...really liking the fact we are getting a much better eclipse than in the past
[16:27] <persia> bdrung_: My the way, you failed to include all your uploads in main in your application.  I found at least a couple more during review.
[16:27] <persia> nixternal: I get the triumvirate of java, media, and sponsoring though :)
[16:28] <geser> we are done with voting, right? or I did I miss somebody?
[16:28] <bdrung_> persia: that's a point for improving launchpad ;)
[16:28] <persia> heh.
[16:28] <cjwatson> geser: we're done - missing cody and soren today
[16:28] <geser> [ENDVOTE]
[16:28] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[16:28] <dholbach> congratulations bdrung_! :)
[16:28] <cjwatson> apologies from soren, cody absent
[16:28] <bdrung_> thanks
[16:28] <persia> bdrung_: Welcome!
[16:28] <nixternal> bdrung_: welcome and congrats \o/
[16:28] <bdrung_> \o/
[16:29] <nixternal> now just wait a second, frozen main :D
[16:29] <bdrung_> :D
[16:29] <geser> [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Select a chair for the next meeting
[16:29] <geser> who volunteers?
[16:29]  * nixternal 
[16:30] <stgraber-n900_> I do
[16:30] <nixternal> gimme next meeting date and time so I can put it in my alarm calendar
[16:30] <nixternal> 2 weeks from today at 15:00 UTC right?
[16:30] <geser> nixternal: right
[16:31] <geser> [AGREED] nixternal to chair the next meeting (fallback: stgraber-n900_)
[16:31] <MootBot> AGREED received:  nixternal to chair the next meeting (fallback: stgraber-n900_)
[16:31] <persia> I won't be able to make the meeting next week at that time.
[16:31]  * persia cancels the doodle poll
[16:31] <geser> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:32] <geser> Has somebody something we need to discuss?
[16:32] <geser> persia: only the next meeting or all meetings after this one?
[16:34] <persia> geser: Only the next meeting.  I have to go onsite for a client.
[16:35] <persia> And it's in two weeks, not next week.
[16:36] <geser> [ENDMEETING]
[16:36]  * persia grumbles about timespans
[16:36] <geser> #endmeeting
[16:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:36.
[16:40] <nixternal> persia: when was the cyphermox app done, the last meeting?
[16:41] <persia> No.  A month ago.
[16:41] <nixternal> oh, ok, thanks
[17:01] <bjf> Roll Call
[17:01]  * cking o/
[17:01]  * smb is here
[17:01] <bjf> quick meeting with just the 3 of us :-)
[17:01]  * kamalm o/  (Kamal Mostafa -- new guy starting next week -- I'll be sitting in today)
[17:01] <bjf> kamalm, Welcome!
[17:01]  * jjohansen waves
[17:02] <smb> kamalm, Hi Kamal
[17:02] <cking> welcome Kamal
[17:02] <kamalm> thanks!  I'm very excited to be joining you.  :-)
[17:02]  * ogasawara waves
[17:03]  * manjo :)
[17:03]  * apw waves
[17:03] <bjf> #startmeeting
[17:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is bjf.
[17:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[17:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[17:04] <bjf> #
[17:04] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:04] <bjf> #
[17:04] <manjo> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Action Item: Put out a Call For Testing for the .33 drm stack (JFo)
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Action Item: Put out a Call For Testing for the .33 drm stack (JFo)
[17:05] <bjf> JFo, ^
[17:05] <JFo> Bugs (Release Meeting Bugs / RC Milestoned Bugs / Release Targeted Bugs)
[17:05] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (3 bugs, 5 blueprints)
[17:05] <JFo> [17:05] <JFo> Beta 1 Milestoned Bugs (45 bugs against all packages (down 29))
[17:05] <JFo>  * 1 linux kernel bugs (down 8)
[17:05] <JFo>  * 2 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (up 1)
[17:05] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bug (down 1)
[17:06] <JFo>  * 1 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo> [17:06] <JFo> Release Targeted Bugs (293 bugs against all packages (up 86))
[17:06] <JFo>  * 28 linux kernel bugs (up 4)
[17:06] <JFo>  * 2 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (up 1)
[17:06] <JFo>  * 1 linux-ec2 bug (no change)
[17:06] <JFo>  * 2 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo> [17:06] <JFo> Milestoned Features -
[17:06] <JFo>  * 0 blueprints
[17:06] <JFo>     
[17:06] <JFo> [17:06] <JFo> Bugs with Patches Attached:115 (up 2)
[17:06] <JFo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on
[17:06] <JFo> Breakdown by status:
[17:06] <JFo> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[17:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[17:06] <JFo> ..
[17:06] <JFo> whoops :)
[17:07] <JFo> yes, I did put the call for testing out. there has been significant traffic on the issue from the X mailing list
[17:07] <JFo> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[17:07] <bjf> already taken care of
[17:07] <JFo> apologies
[17:07] <JFo> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (JFo)
[17:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (JFo)
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling
[17:07] <JFo> == Blueprints ==
[17:07] <JFo> kernel-lucid-bug-handling:
[17:07] <JFo>  * I'm almost ready to present my findings on the X wiki debug pages and how I'd like to restructure the Kernel Team pages. I hope to send something on this to the list this week
[17:07] <JFo>  * I am reworking the way the arsenal scripts gather and process bugs so that I can extend the 'reach' of the script deeper into the backlog. I'll probably do a rather intense round of bug processing during the lull after release freeze.
[17:07] <JFo>  * I sent out an e-mail to the c-k-t list (meant to send to the k-t list) regarding a wiki page describing the rationale for automated bug processing. Please provide some feedback. I'd like to get this URL integrated into the arsenal scripts soon.
[17:08] <JFo> ..
[17:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[17:08] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[17:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[17:08] <apw> Discussion thread started on the remaining sub-systems and PATA/SATA driver stat
[17:08] <apw> us.  Should have patches for immediatly after Beta-1.
[17:08] <apw> ..
[17:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)
[17:08] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)
[17:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[17:08] <apw> We are seeing a lot of issues with i945 and older graphics cards, which includes all the atom netbooks.  This is looking to be new occurance of the i915.powersave problems, we will disable powersaving for these 'older' cards by default.
[17:08] <apw> ..
[17:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)
[17:09] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)
[17:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume
[17:09] <manjo> looks like we are getting some useful information as a result of the patch to measure suspend resume times. I am currently looking at the suspend/resume bugs filed recently and trying to get a sense of any common elements we can find.
[17:09] <manjo> ..
[17:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[17:09] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[17:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[17:10] <jjohansen> well, the latest upstream push is sitting ready go out
[17:10] <jjohansen> I ran git-send-email this morning but apparently my smtp is broken
[17:11] <jjohansen> ..
[17:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)
[17:11] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)
[17:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance
[17:11] <apw> The ureadahead patches are with Foundations for testing.  Again we should have results in time for the first upload after Beta-1.
[17:11] <apw> ..
[17:11] <csurbhi> csurbhi ..
[17:11] <csurbhi> oops ..
[17:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[17:12] <bjf> Nothing significantly new this week.
[17:12] <bjf> I'm several days into my als-driver bug survey and have looked at almost 200 bugs. I'm
[17:12] <bjf> basicly going through them one by one and adding tags onto them. If they have not had
[17:12] <bjf> any action for more than a couple months I'm requesting a test of a dev image and the
[17:12] <bjf> mainline kernel. I'm pretty amazed at the number of bugs that have not seen any attention
[17:12] <bjf> since their initial submission.
[17:12] <bjf> The biggest buckets are "no sound at all" and "internal mic not working". There are a
[17:12] <bjf> few that look like upgrade isses, people running out and buying the latest HW expecting
[17:12] <bjf> it to "just work", etc.
[17:12] <bjf> I also see that there are a bunch of bugs that are "past expiration". I asked around
[17:12] <bjf> about this and was told that the bot that ran around marking these "invalid" had to be
[17:12] <bjf> turned off because it wasn't smart enought and was invalidating bugs it shouldn't. I
[17:12] <bjf> was told that a new status is being created "Expired" specifically for these bugs and
[17:12] <bjf> that the bot would be smartened up. This work is supposed to happen this month.
[17:12] <bjf> ..
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)
[17:13] <apw> the release team has pretty much veto'd putting the pmutils functionality in as it didn't hit b-1
[17:13] <apw> the rest has been postponed due to workload
[17:13] <apw> ..
[17:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[17:14] <jjohansen> working on Bug #527208
[17:14] <jjohansen> Have confirmed that it isn't exhibiting under similar circumstances in rackspace cloud
[17:15] <jjohansen> I haven't made anymore progress on testing pv-ops
[17:15] <jjohansen> ..
[17:15] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Lucid (apw)
[17:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Lucid (apw)
[17:16] <apw> Lucid remains at stable v2.6.32.9, though v2.6.32.10 is now available and will be applied once Beta-1 is over.  We have commited patches to expose the DRM backports version such that when v2.6.33.1 DRM patches we can tell that that has occured in bug reports.  We have also changed the default settings for the CDROM trays to allow direct removal of disks, userspace will handle this shortly.
[17:16] <apw> All of the main kernels (linux, linux-fsl-imx51, linux-mvl-dove, linux-qcm-msm, and linux-ec2) remain unchanged from last week. linux-ti-omap was just accepted into the archive.  Anything which requires a kernel change will have to wait until after beta-1 and will have to pass the abbreviated SRU process (2 acks required).
[17:16] <apw> ..
[17:16] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)
[17:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)
[17:16] <smb> Dapper:      2.6.15-55.82  (security)
[17:16] <smb> Hardy:       2.6.24-27.65  (security)
[17:16] <smb>              2.6.24-27.67  (updates)
[17:16] <smb> Intrepid:    2.6.27-17.45  (security)
[17:16] <smb> Jaunty:      2.6.28-18.59  (security)
[17:16] <smb> Karmic:      2.6.31-20.57  (updates)
[17:16] <smb>  - LBM       2.6.31-20.22  (updates)
[17:16] <smb>  - mvl-dove  2.6.31-211.22 (security)
[17:16] <smb>  - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-108.21 (security)
[17:17] <smb>              2.6.31-108.23 (proposed)[12]   0/ 1 verifications done (+0)
[17:17] <smb>  - ec2       2.6.31-304.11 (updates)
[17:17] <smb> Security update is expected somewhen today (after some final tests)
[17:17] <smb> ..
[17:17] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:17] <apw> smb,
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:17] <bjf> apw, go
[17:17] <apw> what is unverified in fsl-imx51
[17:17] <smb> apw, some build option there, lemme check
[17:17] <apw> we need to slap #mobile if we're not getting feedback
[17:18] <apw> ..
[17:18] <smb> apw, They will get frightened by a security kernel replacing this
[17:18] <smb> ..
[17:18] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[17:18] <JFo> 328 Lucid Bugs (up 48)
[17:18] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[17:18] <JFo> [17:18] <JFo>   * 88 lucid bugs
[17:18] <JFo> [17:18] <JFo>   * 11 karmic bugs
[17:18] <JFo>   * 5 jaunty bugs
[17:18] <JFo>   * 2 intrepid bugs
[17:18] <JFo>   * 1 hardy bug
[17:18] <JFo> [17:18] <JFo>   * 54 karmic bugs
[17:18] <JFo>   * 22 jaunty bugs
[17:18] <JFo>   * 11 intrepid bugs
[17:18] <JFo>   * 4 hardy bugs
[17:18] <JFo> [17:18] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug
[17:18] <JFo> ..
[17:18] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:19] <JFo> * Today is another Kernel Team 'regression-' bug day. Thanks for working on these last week. I'll be looking at the schedule for the rest of this release and proposing more bug days to work out regressions to Pete for inclusion in the schedule. I anticipate that, as we move closer to the release freeze, we will probably do more than one bug day a week, but I want to see what the timeframe looks like before I propose that.
[17:19] <JFo> * I didn't get to schedule a community bug day today as I had planned. I will get things ready to hold another bug day against bugs with patches attached for next week.
[17:19] <JFo> any comments?
[17:19]  * apw didn't see much in the way of announcement
[17:19] <apw> but then maybe he doesn't read enough of his email
[17:19] <JFo> I need to do both an announcement and a wiki page
[17:20] <apw> well the day is over here, so ... it needs to be yesterday
[17:20] <JFo> bjf, can you make that an [Action] V
[17:20] <JFo> rather
[17:20] <JFo> bjf, can you make that an [Action] JFo to do both an announcement and a wiki page
[17:20] <JFo> ?
[17:20] <bjf> [ACTION] JFo to send out regression bug day announcements on monday
[17:20] <MootBot> ACTION received:  JFo to send out regression bug day announcements on monday
[17:20] <JFo> thank you sir
[17:20] <JFo> ..
[17:21] <bjf> [ACTION] JFo to do a wiki page on regression bug days
[17:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  JFo to do a wiki page on regression bug days
[17:21] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[17:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[17:21] <apw> [ACTION] JFo to do all the work ...
[17:21] <JFo> heh
[17:21] <JFo> -1
[17:21] <JFo> :P
[17:21] <apw> ..
[17:21] <kamalm> I'm starting to process the wealth of information at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KnowledgeBase -- that'll keep me busy for awhile!
[17:21] <kamalm> I look forward to meeting you all in Brussels, if not sooner at the CELF/Collaboration summit in San Francisco in April.
[17:21] <kamalm> I officially start at Canonical on Monday March 22 -- can't wait!
[17:21] <kamalm> ..
[17:21] <JFo> ..
[17:22] <bjf> apw, go
[17:22] <apw> no i had nothing ..
[17:22] <manjo> kamalm, if you find mistakes in the wiki please feel free to fix
[17:22] <manjo> ..
[17:22]  * apw notes you are required to fix them :)
[17:22] <bjf> kamalm, will you be at colab summit?
[17:22] <kamalm> bjf, its undecided, but I live nearby so it would be easy for me to attend.  Hugh is looking into it.
[17:23] <bjf> kamalm, if so you will meet several of us, looking forward to it
[17:23] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:23] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:23] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:23.
[17:23] <smb> Thanks bjf
[17:23] <cking> thanks bjf
[17:23] <kamalm> manjo, apw: I actually did fix one "typo" in the wiki already :-)  Already mucking about.
[17:23] <csurbhi> thanks bjf :)
[17:24] <bjf> kamalm, cool, are you on #ubuntu-kernel as well?
[17:24]  * apw wanders off to #-k
[17:24] <kamalm> bjf, I am now ;-)
[18:34] <Sofanya> Good evening! i'm Novosibirsk Ubuntu TeamLeader.
[18:36] <czajkowski> Sofanya: you're a bit early for the LoCo council meeting
[18:36] <czajkowski> Sofanya: it's not till 8pm UTC
[18:49] <cjohnston> czajkowski: about 11 minutes correct?
[18:51] <czajkowski> cjohnston: nope 1 hr 10 mins
[18:53] <cjohnston> czajkowski: fridge says 1900 utc
[18:55] <czajkowski> Fridge is wrong
[18:55] <czajkowski> 3td tuesday @8pm UTC is the loco council meeting time
[18:56] <davmor2> dst in the states has probably thrown it out
[18:56] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye
[18:56] <czajkowski> so it's gonna confuse people
[18:56]  * czajkowski kicks the fridge
[18:57] <AlanBell> @now
[18:57] <davmor2> fridge.....werzzk werzzzk bang smoke
[19:01] <czajkowski> Grabbing dinner, back in 1 hr
[19:01] <czajkowski> Ubuntu LoCo council meeting kicking off at 8pm UTC
[19:22] <mhall119|work> davmor2: fridge says 7pm UTC
[19:22] <mhall119|work> DST in the states doesn't even come into play
[19:23] <schultmc> 2000 UTC is what the wiki said - that's 8PM
[19:23] <mhall119|work> right, so fridge is wrong, but DST isn't to blame
[19:24] <persia> mhall119|work: There's a bug in the implementation behind the fridge that guesses DST changes based on the timezone of the location of the person last updating that schedule item, and tries to auto-update correctly.
[19:24] <mhall119|work> oh
[19:24] <mhall119|work> helpful
[19:24] <persia> For folk that live in timezones, this is a useful feature.  For folk that mix timezones, this is a huge headache.  For teams that span timezones, this makes the tool essentially unusable 6-8 weeks a year.
[19:24] <mhall119|work> is there a paperclip that does that?
[19:25] <persia> paperclip?
[19:25] <mhall119|work> reference to the annoying MS Office paperclip
[19:25] <mhall119|work> it was notorious for "helping" in the most detrimental ways
[19:26] <johanbr> persia, most people live in timezones :)
[19:26] <mhall119|work> I only live in one
[19:26] <persia> johanbr: Indeed.  I think that's why it does that.
[19:26] <mhall119|work> though more and more, I find myself "living" in UTC
[19:27] <persia> Some people don't.  More teams don't.
[19:27] <mhall119|work> I need a watch that will switch between 12hour EST and 24hour UTC
[19:27] <mhall119|work> persia: people don't live in places with DST, but everywhere on earth is covered by a timezone, no?
[19:28] <johanbr> except the poles, I guess
[19:28] <persia> mhall119|work: But not everyone lives in a fixed location.  For some time I spent each week in a different country.
[19:29] <persia> During that time, I scheduled everything in UTC, or it was impossible.
[19:29] <persia> I'm sure I'm not the only person who has had a job like that.
[19:30] <persia> (and I strongly disrecommend jobs like that for anyone who thinks it sounds fun)
[19:31] <dantalizing> persia: lies
[19:32] <persia> If you like.
[19:35] <dantalizing> :)
[19:36] <mhall119|work> dantalizing wants to be a jet setter
[19:37] <mhall119|work> he'll fly air-dan
[19:37] <dantalizing> not anymore .. but had fun while it lasted
[19:37] <czajkowski> just under 25 mins to meeting
[19:37] <mhall119|work> heh, now you're air-dad
[19:37] <mhall119|work> with non-stop flights across the livingroom
[19:40] <mhall119|work> dantalizing: did you see our testimonial?
[19:41] <dantalizing> yup
[19:41] <dantalizing> ubuntu needs more nali
[19:41] <mhall119|work> true, we've had a nali deficiency lately
[20:01] <czajkowski> popey: JanC itnet7 ping
[20:01] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[20:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:01. The chair is czajkowski.
[20:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:02] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda
[20:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda
[20:02] <czajkowski> we'll start by working our way though agenda items and then onto the Approvals/ Reapprovals
[20:03] <czajkowski> [topic]Reapproval Process/Update
[20:03] <MootBot> New Topic: Reapproval Process/Update
[20:03] <czajkowski> just to let folks know we are working ou way through contacting the 30 named teams so far this cycle
[20:04] <czajkowski> we've been mailing teams and in contact with some to schedule more to be reviewed before May and we may have an extra meeting next week to fit some teams in
[20:04] <czajkowski> if you are contacted please ack the mail you've recived
[20:05] <huats> sorry I am late
[20:06] <czajkowski> ok
[20:06] <czajkowski> does anyone have any comments on the approval/reapproval process?
[20:07] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[20:07] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[20:07] <czajkowski> is the list of teams we are contacting this cycle
[20:07] <SandWorm> czajkowski: Novosibirsk Team is here if needed
[20:08] <czajkowski> SandWorm: just give us a few mins
[20:08] <czajkowski> [topic] LoCo Contacts to update the IRC Ops page
[20:08] <czajkowski> Czajkowski
[20:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  LoCo Contacts to update the IRC Ops page
[20:08] <czajkowski> jussi01: ping
[20:08] <czajkowski> [link] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[20:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[20:08] <czajkowski> the IRCC has asked us to mention this to all loco teams
[20:08] <czajkowski> please ensure your ops contacts are up to date on this page please
[20:09] <mhall119|work> czajkowski: is that the only place contacts are kept?
[20:10] <czajkowski> mhall119|work: I'm waiting on jussi01 to arrive to comment he was the one who asked for it to be added to the agenda
[20:10] <czajkowski> we shall move on and if he comes we can go back to it
[20:10] <Daviey> \o
[20:11] <czajkowski> [topic]LoCo Directory Access
[20:11] <MootBot> New Topic: LoCo Directory Access
[20:11] <czajkowski> so the love LD dev folks wated to get soe thoughts on this
[20:11] <czajkowski> [link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/526800
[20:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/526800
[20:11] <czajkowski> Daviey: mhall119|work want to discuss
[20:11] <Daviey> it's mhall119|work's agenda point :)
[20:12] <Daviey> mhall119|work: did you get the emails btw?
[20:12] <mhall119|work> technically it was dholbach
[20:12]  * czajkowski peers are you both 
[20:12] <mhall119|work> Daviey: which ones?  my old email address is having problems, I'm trying to switch everything to gmail
[20:12] <Daviey> okay, this is regarding the events element mainly
[20:12] <mhall119|work> PM me if it's not related to this
[20:13] <Daviey> Who should have access:
[20:13] <Daviey> * Add an event
[20:13] <czajkowski> perhaps ye can give a bit of background to this please
[20:13] <Daviey> * Perhaps approve an event
[20:13] <Daviey> * perhaps veto an event
[20:13] <Daviey> I'm sure everyone knows what the LoCo Directory is
[20:13] <Daviey> http://loco.ubuntu.com
[20:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com
[20:13] <Daviey> It has the ability to add "events" for your LoCo
[20:13] <mhall119|work> this originally came up when only admins could add/edit events for a team
[20:14] <Daviey> Currently only the launchpad team admin can add an "event"
[20:14] <Daviey> This has been a problem for some teams
[20:14] <mhall119|work> recently Jono has requested a change to allow any team member to add/edit events
[20:14] <Daviey> So to try and open it up, we need a method of controling and limited access - whilst still letting people do what they need to do
[20:14] <huats> This  is a pb we are facing at ubuntu-fr
[20:15] <czajkowski> huats: yes I believe it was YoBoY who brought this to light
[20:15]  * cjohnston has to bug an admin to add his weekly ubuntu hour..
[20:15] <Daviey> Well from today, andy team member can add an event regardless
[20:15] <Daviey> However, long term we feel there needs to be some control
[20:15] <mhall119|work> options we have discussed is using an additional launchpad group to specify a team that can manage events for a team
[20:15] <czajkowski> I beleive it will effect only a few of the larger teams , but I'm not happy with it being a free for all for anyone and everyone to just create events
[20:15] <JanC> it's certainly a problem if only the team owner can add events
[20:15] <mhall119|work> and also an approval queue, where any member can add an event, but admins are required to approve them
[20:16] <pleia2> mhall119|work: I like the approval queue idea, then I can add/update events without having to nag an admin, but there is oversight
[20:16] <Daviey> Do the LoCo countil have a problem with recieveing an email when an event is added or modded?
[20:16] <Daviey> This could mean a stack of emails eventually
[20:16] <mhall119|work> the approval queue means possibly more work for a team's admins, but makes it easier for members to bring up events
[20:16] <czajkowski> Daviey: aye it could do.
[20:17] <Daviey> czajkowski: Well for the first version, can the LoCo council let us know :)
[20:17] <czajkowski> I would like to see it as a small sub group with each team or a person  being able to crete events, that way the admins dont have to get involed if they already know
[20:17] <cjohnston> +1 for czajkowski's idea
[20:17] <czajkowski> Daviey: I can't speak for huats JanC itnet7 or popey  but I don't mind not for the begining, I can create  a rule
[20:18] <Daviey> I suggested to the Local Council - http://pastebin.daviey.com/N5Eu/raw/
[20:18] <YoBoY> czajkowski: calling me ? ^^
[20:18] <czajkowski> [link]http://pastebin.daviey.com/N5Eu/raw/
[20:18] <MootBot> LINK received: http://pastebin.daviey.com/N5Eu/raw/
[20:18] <itnet7> I think for the sake of timing, it would be fine to implement the way you are suggesting
[20:18] <JanC> we use LP groups to control access to certain stuff on the ubuntu-be site, so if teh LoCo-directory would do the same, that would make things easier for us too
[20:18] <huats> Daviey, not a problem either
[20:19] <pleia2> czajkowski: I still see that as creating a bottleneck, so instead of nagging team admins, I get to go to the event admins...
[20:19] <YoBoY> hi
[20:19] <mhall119|work> well it'll be open to any member until after UGJ most likely
[20:19] <Daviey> JanC: that sounds like a good long term idea, but for first release i would like to try and keep it simple
[20:19] <czajkowski> pleia2: thats why I would suggest only certain people being able to creae events and their events get automatically published
[20:19] <Daviey> (from a coding aspect)
[20:19] <itnet7> I think there should be a role added to each team though to allow the Team Contact/ and or admins flexibility to add members at their discretion
[20:19] <pleia2> czajkowski: ah, then maybe for other team members they can create, but it has to be approved?
[20:20] <mhall119|work> pleia2: alternately, we can have the approval queue, and allow a select group of non-admins approve them
[20:20] <pleia2> sounds good :)
[20:20] <itnet7> mhall119|work: that sounds good
[20:20] <cjohnston> agreed
[20:20] <czajkowski> mhall119|work: yes
[20:20] <mhall119|work> and is the concensus that this group should be a launchpad group?
[20:21] <mhall119|work> or can it be something internal to loco-directory
[20:21] <cjohnston> Whatever is easiest to implement, plus easy for admins to modify... I would think
[20:21] <czajkowski> so I think  moving forward the dev folks would like  to know if they go the way they've suggested here, we'd use it for our loco teams in creating events and encourage our teams to use it ?
[20:21] <itnet7> I think it's the best thing since sliced bread! :-)
[20:22] <ejv> hmmm
[20:22] <mhall119|work> okay, so we will provide a list of users who can approve events for a team, and an approval queue
[20:23]  * Daviey doesn't really mind how it should be.  I'm happy for the LC to say "we want this", and for the LD hackers to implement that if feasible.
[20:23] <itnet7> +1 from me
[20:23] <mhall119|work> is there any opinions on managing this sub-group through launchpad vs through LD?
[20:24] <itnet7> I think that users of the sub-group should only have rights granted to the LD
[20:24] <dantalizing> lp
[20:24] <Daviey> LP makes more sense.. although i think it's a less clean way overall :)
[20:24] <czajkowski> lets use the tools we have and use LP please
[20:24] <mhall119|work> itnet7: it would just be a group in LP, so it can be used however else is desired
[20:24] <czajkowski> ok are theree any other thoughts on this as I'd like to move on please
[20:24] <mhall119|work> Daviey: it means more work for us, but I'm okay with that
[20:24] <itnet7> sweet
[20:25] <mhall119|work> that also means we can use the team's mailing list to send notices
[20:25] <Daviey> so o clariffy this is a LP group of event-editors ?
[20:25] <czajkowski> yes
[20:25] <Daviey> so a single team for all worldwide loco's?
[20:25] <mhall119|work> when we make this change, can we default the 'event-editors' team to be the loco team?
[20:26] <jussi01> Im sorry, Im here now.
[20:26] <mhall119|work> that way no functionality would change until the loco team decides to
[20:26] <czajkowski> [agreed] LP dev folks to create a LP group for event-editors, default the event-director team to be the loco team.
[20:26] <MootBot> AGREED received:  LP dev folks to create a LP group for event-editors, default the event-director team to be the loco team.
[20:27] <czajkowski> right
[20:27] <czajkowski> so moving on
[20:27] <Daviey> thanks
[20:27] <jussi01> can we jump back to my item?
[20:27] <mhall119|work> thanks
[20:27] <czajkowski> [topic]
[20:27] <MootBot> New Topic:
[20:27] <czajkowski> Request for loco ops to idle in #ubuntu-irc
[20:27] <czajkowski> [topic]Request for loco ops to idle in #ubuntu-irc
[20:27] <MootBot> New Topic: Request for loco ops to idle in #ubuntu-irc
[20:27] <czajkowski> jussi01: you're up
[20:27] <jussi01> Ok :)
[20:28] <jussi01> at the ircc meeting there was a decision to ask the Loco's to try and get ops from their channels to idle in -irc. Ths improves contactability and co-ordination
[20:29] <jussi01> We also would like to request the Loco's update the contact information here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList for the same reason
[20:29] <czajkowski> [link]
[20:29] <MootBot> LINK received:
[20:29] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[20:29] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[20:30] <czajkowski> mhall119|work: did you have a question for jussi01 re IRC ops list ?
[20:30] <jussi01> We need some help with communicating this properly to the loco's.
[20:30] <mhall119|work> no
[20:30] <czajkowski> mhall119|work: ok
[20:31] <mhall119|work> oh, I just wanted to know if that wiki page was the only place contacts were listed
[20:31] <czajkowski> jussi01: ok well mentioneding it here and we shall mail it out also
[20:31] <mhall119|work> because people wanted that info in LD
[20:31] <jussi01> mhall119|work: at the moment I do beleive so.
[20:31] <jussi01> LD?
[20:31] <mhall119|work> loco directory
[20:31] <czajkowski> but I think it would be good for all LoCos to go with this suggestion from the IRCC
[20:31] <czajkowski> so I'll add it to the mail I'll send out after this meeting
[20:32] <czajkowski> jussi01: any other comments on this ?
[20:32] <itnet7> It would be cool to have it in the LD
[20:32] <jussi01> czajkowski: no, we just need to make sure it gets to all the locos, and communicate that this isnt really changing anything, just making contactability and co-ordination easier
[20:33] <czajkowski> jussi01: gotcha :)
[20:33] <czajkowski> [topic] Approval/Reapprovals
[20:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Approval/Reapprovals
[20:33] <jussi01> Thanks!
[20:33] <czajkowski> [topic] Russia Novosibirsk
[20:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Russia Novosibirsk
[20:33] <SandWorm> we are here
[20:33] <Sofanya> Good evening! I'm Novosibirsk Ubuntu TeamLeader, Ubuntu Wonam.
[20:33] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RussianTeam/NSK/ApprovalApplication
[20:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RussianTeam/NSK/ApprovalApplication
[20:33] <czajkowski> Sofanya: welcome
[20:33] <czajkowski> anyone else here from your team
[20:34] <belco> i`m here )
[20:34] <SandWorm> VadimkaNSK also
[20:34] <nes> me
[20:34] <vadimkansk> i'm
[20:34] <itnet7> http://nsk.ubuntu.ru/
[20:34] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://nsk.ubuntu.ru/
[20:34] <itnet7> Nice Re-branding!!
[20:35] <czajkowski> I do like the fact you've gotten the new colour scheme up and running on your site well done !
[20:35] <nes> thanks!
[20:35] <czajkowski> Sofanya: so can you tell me about your team, how you get things done, and organise events?
[20:35] <SandWorm> Sofanya has some trouble with english
[20:36] <SandWorm> i'm team contact
[20:36] <czajkowski> SandWorm: ok I dont mind who tells us :)
[20:36] <SandWorm> well. we have active jabber conference. we use it for coordination
[20:37] <SandWorm> also we have weekly meetings in sibsutis
[20:37] <JanC> what's sibsutis ?
[20:37] <SandWorm> every wednesday in the evening
[20:37] <vadimkansk> JanC, university
[20:38] <SandWorm> JanC: SIBSUTIS - Siberian State University of Telecommunication and Informatics
[20:38] <nes> we are workink accordint program "Fre Software in Schools", installing Ubuntu on classroom machines and teach people to use it
[20:38] <SandWorm> we have some kind of a club there
[20:39] <czajkowski> SandWorm: do you have any photos of your event?
[20:39] <Agafonov> http://nsk.ubuntu.ru/index.php?page=fotootchet-klub-u-samovara-24-02-2010
[20:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://nsk.ubuntu.ru/index.php?page=fotootchet-klub-u-samovara-24-02-2010
[20:39] <Agafonov> my helping hand :)
[20:39] <SandWorm> czajkowski: yep. we usually make photos at events
[20:40] <SandWorm> recently we installed an internet cafe in SibFair
[20:41] <SandWorm> and have some plans for event, based on sibfair
[20:41] <JanC> yeah, that sounds like  a good idea for other teams too; provide other organisations with a cheap or free internet cafe
[20:41] <czajkowski> All of you have done a great job, I think we are ready to vote. Since we are using Mootbot give a second before weighing in please!
[20:42] <SandWorm> as i counted we have nearly 5 events in sibfair, where we are going to take part
[20:42] <czajkowski> [vote] Approval of the Russia Novosibirsk LoCo Team
[20:42] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Approval of the Russia Novosibirsk LoCo Team.
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[20:42] <belco> Siberian Fair is the biggest regional exhibition organizer in Russia
[20:42] <itnet7> +1
[20:42] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:42] <czajkowski> -1
[20:42] <MootBot> -1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
[20:43] <czajkowski> I think you've done a great job so far, I think you need to work on your wiki page and add some more content to it regarding links to photos, but to come back soon
[20:43] <huats> That would be my opinion too
[20:44] <SandWorm> ok. we'll back
[20:44] <JanC> I think there are some great things, but like czajkowski says, maybe a bit more documentation would be appropriate
[20:44] <Agafonov> czajkowski: they do make many, many things offline
[20:44] <JanC> +0 from me
[20:44] <MootBot> Abstention received from JanC. 1 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[20:45] <czajkowski> Agafonov: thats great but we need to see this on the wiki, we're not saying you're not doing anything, we just think you need to document it more on the wiki please.
[20:46] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[20:46] <MootBot> Final result is 1 for, 1 against. 1 abstained. Total: 0
[20:47] <czajkowski> [topic] El Salvador Re Approval
[20:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  El Salvador Re Approval
[20:47] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ElSalvadorTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[20:47] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ElSalvadorTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[20:47] <JanC> Agafonov: make a list of everything you do (or at least some more detail), and whenever possible add some links to photographs or such...
[20:47] <itnet7> Hey there El Salvador!
[20:47] <Agafonov> JanC: we do monthly reports :)
[20:48] <czajkowski> so who's where from el Salvador
[20:48] <czajkowski> Agafonov: we can discuss it after meeting but now we need to move on, please
[20:49] <czajkowski> hmm
[20:49] <itnet7> Celvin?
[20:49] <czajkowski> anyone here from el salvador??
[20:49] <JanC> Agafonov: then link them from the approval page next time!
[20:50] <ejv> florida up yet, did i miss it?
[20:50] <czajkowski> [agreed] take el salvador loco application to mailing list
[20:50] <MootBot> AGREED received:  take el salvador loco application to mailing list
[20:51] <czajkowski> [topic] Colorado, US LoCo Re approval
[20:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Colorado, US LoCo Re approval
[20:51] <mhall119|work> ejv: not yet
[20:51] <ejv> sry :)
[20:51] <czajkowski> anyone from Colorado team  present??
[20:51] <nerdynick> NerdyNick here for Colorado
[20:52] <czajkowski> nerdynick: welcome anyone more with you?
[20:52] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/ReApprovelApplication
[20:52] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/ReApprovelApplication
[20:52] <nerdynick> Not sure as its the middle of the work day for us
[20:53] <nerdynick> So where would you like me to start
[20:53] <czajkowski> nerdynick: in your application, what do you mean by Lack of timely responsiveness & support from the higher ups in the Ubuntu Community
[20:55] <nerdynick> During our planning of the TIE conference we kept having problems with getting response to questions we had about getting booth equiment
[20:55] <nerdynick> As well as problems in attempting to get our website on the official ubuntu servers
[20:56] <nerdynick> ie. colorad.ubuntu-us.org
[20:56] <czajkowski> nerdynick: can you explain what you mean, what kind of equipment, who were you looking for it from ?
[20:57] <czajkowski> nerdynick: did you log a ticket on RT ??
[20:57] <JanC> I never had problems getting a conference pack, but that only a box with some t-shirts, ballpoints, stickers, etc. -- maybe you expected more?
[20:57] <nerdynick> I personally was not the organizer of that event. So I do not know the contact. but the equipment we where looking to get is the Booth Equipment that is provided to teams as well as a batch of Pressed CD's as we where out
[20:59] <nerdynick> The CD's would have been great to of at least had but where un able to get those from ShipIt
[21:00] <nerdynick> So we ended up burning a few of our own. As doing a mini Edubuntu setup in a lab to at least let people experment and burn there own
[21:00] <czajkowski> nerdynick: was this for Karmic ?
[21:01] <nerdynick> Feisty & 1 other release
[21:01] <nerdynick> We attended the conf twice
[21:01] <czajkowski> waht conf was this ?
[21:02] <czajkowski> *what
[21:02] <JanC> TIE I suppose
[21:02] <nerdynick> http://tiecolorado.org/site12.aspx
[21:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://tiecolorado.org/site12.aspx
[21:03] <nerdynick> Notes during planning
[21:03] <nerdynick> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TIEColorado
[21:03] <czajkowski> nerdynick: so a question, what seperates your LoCO from a LUG ?
[21:03] <czajkowski> you mention more work with LUGS ?
[21:04] <huats> nerdynick, Another question : how often do you gather with your team ?
[21:05] <nerdynick> As the linux community itself in Colorado isn't the greatest in size and is very spreed out. We attempt to work with the local Lug groups in hosting events or at least attend a few of these to work a bringing new users on bord with Ubuntu
[21:05] <JanC> that's a good strategy IMO
[21:06] <nerdynick> We end up bringing a lot of our resources and knowledge to the Install Fests to help facilitate new users intrest in Ubuntu.
[21:06] <czajkowski> thats good to hear
[21:06] <nerdynick> JanC we figured it would be better to work with them and at least convert people to linux then work against them
[21:07] <JanC> of course
[21:07] <czajkowski> I think we are ready to vote. Since we are using Mootbot give a second before weighing in please!
[21:07] <czajkowski> [vote] re approval of Colarado LoCo
[21:07] <MootBot> Please vote on:  re approval of Colarado LoCo.
[21:07] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[21:07] <nerdynick> huats we always have a release party and that tends to be our big group gathering and brings people from the west side of the state and the north end to denver/boulder
[21:08] <MootBot> Private abstention received. 0 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Count is now 0
[21:08] <huats> ok nerdynick thanks
[21:08] <czajkowski> 0
[21:08] <huats> +0
[21:08] <MootBot> Abstention received from huats. 0 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:08] <nerdynick> but tend to meet together at Clue, Blug, NCLug meetups
[21:08] <itnet7> +0
[21:08] <czajkowski> +0
[21:08] <MootBot> Abstention received from czajkowski. 0 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 0
[21:08] <huats> 0 for me
[21:09] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:09] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 0
[21:09] <itnet7> Sorry, I accidently voted privatley
[21:09] <czajkowski> nerdynick: we'd like to meet with you guys again and talk to ye about your team and review some stuff with you guys
[21:09] <czajkowski> jsut at present with you only here and not seeing much other activity we'd just like to chat some more
[21:10] <nerdynick> Alright, Is there anything you would like us to prep/plan and when/how would you like to do this
[21:10] <czajkowski> [agreed] follow up with colarado team via email
[21:10] <MootBot> AGREED received:  follow up with colarado team via email
[21:11] <JanC> I think we would also like to hear more about the problems with getting support for booths (whether you were expecting too much or something went wrong etc.)
[21:11] <czajkowski> nerdynick: we'll be in touch shortly ok, and we;re online a lot of the time if you need to ask us anything
[21:11] <czajkowski> *nods*
[21:11] <czajkowski> agreed
[21:11] <czajkowski> [topic] Florida LoCo Team Re approval
[21:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Florida LoCo Team Re approval
[21:11] <cjohnston> o/
[21:11] <mhall119|work> o/
[21:11] <MichelleQ> \o
[21:11] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FloridaTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[21:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FloridaTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[21:11] <dantalizing> o/
[21:11] <crashsystems> is this the part where I say I'm from the florida team?
[21:12] <itnet7> :-P
[21:12] <czajkowski> just to state, we will be able to vte on ye guys but are missing 2 team members and itnet7 cannot vote on ye so we are going to review and then vote here and on mailing list
[21:12] <czajkowski> so who's from florida team
[21:12] <mhall119|work> me
[21:12] <cjohnston> me
[21:12] <MichelleQ> me
[21:12] <dantalizing> o/
[21:12] <maxolasersquad> I am
[21:12] <crashsystems> me
[21:12] <itnet7> mr
[21:12] <itnet7> lol
[21:12] <itnet7> me
[21:13] <czajkowski> right so dantalizing and itnet7 can ye exlain how ye've done stuff since your first approval and what you've learned nad done ?
[21:13] <dantalizing> as the esteemed council is aware ... itnet7 is our loco contact
[21:13] <czajkowski> you've a lot on your wiki page so thanks ++
[21:13] <dantalizing> so i've been working with cjohnston and MichelleQ to prepare for reapproval
[21:13] <czajkowski> dantalizing: we're esteemed are we, we have met :)
[21:13] <dantalizing> cjohnston will be speaking for us
[21:13] <czajkowski> ok cjohnston you're up
[21:13] <dantalizing> czajkowski: its been awhile
[21:13] <cjohnston> uh oh
[21:14] <dantalizing> and i wasnt including huats
[21:14] <itnet7> *shudders*
[21:14] <cjohnston> itnet7: thats not nice!
[21:14] <itnet7> *shudders* twice
[21:14] <czajkowski> oi come on foclk focus please :) 1 more team left
[21:14] <czajkowski> *folks
[21:14] <czajkowski> damn lag
[21:15] <cjohnston> We have obviously been involved in quite a few things.. We have members involved in the UCLP, and Ubuntu Classroom online.. Offline we have worked with the Florida Linux Fest and starting a couple of ubuntu hours
[21:16] <cjohnston> For 9.10 we had a release party with about 60 people, and some really good food.. thanks mhall119|work and MichelleQ !
[21:16] <mhall119|work> :)
[21:16] <MichelleQ> :)
[21:17] <MichelleQ> we're working on planning Ubucon for ALF this year, too.
[21:17] <cjohnston> We also helped out with Atlanta Linux fest..
[21:17] <cjohnston> and ^
[21:17] <czajkowski> anwhat issues if any have ye run into and had to deal with
[21:18] <cjohnston> dantalizing: I'll let you take that one
[21:18] <dantalizing> our main issues have revolved aroujnd organization
[21:18] <dantalizing> we have many active contributors
[21:18] <dantalizing> and we try to make sure taht everyone can take part in creating a great ubuntu experience in their local areas
[21:18] <dantalizing> while still coordinating with the team
[21:19] <dantalizing> we've managed this in a couple of ways
[21:19] <dantalizing> we try to encourage local activity and, as cjohnston mentioned re: 9.10 release party, we try to bring everyone together every now and then
[21:21] <dantalizing> done
[21:21] <dantalizing> unless you want more
[21:21] <itnet7> We have developed some really good friendships along the way, despite our state being pretty stretched out
[21:21] <dantalizing> very true
[21:21] <MichelleQ> And I must say, the team as a whole has been incredibly supportive of my & mhall119|work's pet project and charity.
[21:21] <itnet7> Oh, and Nali said we Rock! :-)
[21:22] <czajkowski> I think we are ready to vote. Since we are using Mootbot give a second before weighing in please!
[21:22] <mhall119|work> I'd also like to point out that our events have been gaining a good deal of gender and age diversity
[21:23] <czajkowski> +1
[21:23] <cjohnston> oops
[21:23] <huats> +1
[21:24] <czajkowski> [vote] re approval of florida LoCo
[21:24] <MootBot> Please vote on:  re approval of florida LoCo.
[21:24] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[21:24] <czajkowski> +1
[21:24] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:24] <huats> +1
[21:24] <MootBot> +1 received from huats. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:24] <itnet7> +0
[21:24] <MootBot> Abstention received from itnet7. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:24] <JanC> +1
[21:24] <MootBot> +1 received from JanC. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:24] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:25] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[21:25] <czajkowski> ok we shall take the rest of the vote to the mailing list and get back to you guys as soon as we can
[21:25] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:25] <dantalizing> thank you all
[21:25] <cjohnston> thank you
[21:25] <mhall119|work> thank you
[21:25] <czajkowski> is there anyone here from the Indiana LoCo team ?
[21:25] <schultmc> yes - SimonAnibal and I are here for Indiana
[21:25] <maxolasersquad> thanks
[21:26] <czajkowski> ok we shall start your re appvoal but we may take it to our mailing list
[21:26] <schultmc> ok
[21:26] <czajkowski> [topic] Indiana LoCO re approval
[21:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Indiana LoCO re approval
[21:26] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianaTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[21:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianaTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[21:26] <SimonAnibal> Hello!
[21:27] <czajkowski> SimonAnibal: schultmc welcome
[21:27] <czajkowski> SimonAnibal: schultmc can ye tell us about your team please
[21:27] <czajkowski> how you organise evnets?
[21:28] <czajkowski> *evnets?
[21:28] <czajkowski> *events
[21:28]  * czajkowski wallops her internet connection
[21:28] <schultmc> events are typically organized via the mailing list or forums
[21:28] <schultmc> we have some members who prefer forums and some who prefer email so we try to encompass both media to reach the broadest audience
[21:29] <czajkowski> thats a good idea
[21:29] <czajkowski> you don't have a website, is there a reason for this ?
[21:30] <schultmc> not really, other than not having time to properly maintain a website in addition to the wiki
[21:30] <itnet7> Have you participated in any events recently?
[21:30] <schultmc> our most recent event was the Karmic release party
[21:31] <schultmc> we're also working with the local LUGs to plan an Indiana LinuxFest but that hasn't yet occurred
[21:31] <schultmc> due to geography, a lot of our non-release party potential events are centered around the various population centers where there are LUGs
[21:31] <JanC> do you do anything outside the release parties?
[21:31] <czajkowski> what problems if any have you encourtered and how have you delt with them ?
[21:32] <schultmc> JanC: we do support and troubleshooting via our mailing list and forums and are discussing holding events such as bug fixes and training sessions
[21:32] <schultmc> czajkowski: the main problem we've run into recently is lack of feedback from team members
[21:33] <schultmc> the team leadership often has to make executive decisions since the members aren't saying yea or nay for a given idea
[21:33] <czajkowski> schultmc: yes I can understand that, it can be very frustrating
[21:33] <czajkowski> schultmc: so you have a team leadership, how does that work ?
[21:34] <schultmc> SimonAnibal and I independently came up with the idea to start the team and jointly handle leadership
[21:34] <schultmc> we've tried to involve other team members in leading the team but there seems to be a reluctance to actually have others wear a leadership hat
[21:35] <vadimkansk> czajkowski, I'm looking at your discussion and i have no words to say! How that could be?! After an year of being registered on LaunchPad our team invited more than 100 people! We provided 5 events with regional meaning on our own initiative (and our region is NOT as small as German). And what do I see here? You talking about BALOONS, that not have been sent to the event.
[21:35] <vadimkansk> Don't you think, that at the moment you discouraged young initiative people from Syberia from doing something and dealing with you, foreign mature brotherhood
[21:36] <JanC> vadimkansk: can we discuss this later? (Indiana locoteam is up now)
[21:36] <JanC> schultmc: leaderschip => responsibility
[21:36] <czajkowski> schultmc: ys it can be hard, do you have IRC meetings, I've found people very helpful there to ake on roles,
[21:37] <czajkowski> even roles such as loco team reports to share out the responsibilty of stuff within the team
[21:37] <schultmc> czajkowski: yes, we have monthly irc meetings and fortunately one of our members has been leading them recently when SimonAnibal or I have been unable to attend
[21:37] <czajkowski> thats great so there are others who are willing to step up, this is good to hear
[21:38] <czajkowski> schultmc: is there anything that we the LoCo council can help with
[21:38] <schultmc> we welcome any suggestions that may lead to more activity from our members
[21:39] <czajkowski> schultmc: ok, well I can pop in and maybe help with a Q&A session and give some ideas, if that would help I can pp in at an IRC meeting or whenever you think would work best.
[21:39] <schultmc> that'd be helpful
[21:40] <vadimkansk> А пофик. guys sitted in front of their computers till 3 PM to delight in this. Thank you very much. i'm go sleep
[21:40] <JanC> we can do it and/or we can ask some people from other teams
[21:40] <schultmc> we could also advertise our meeting some more to get better attendance
[21:40] <schultmc> it could also be a communication medium preference
[21:40] <czajkowski> schultmc: that might help and it helps to sometimes get more ideas from different people
[21:40] <schultmc> email vs. irc vs. forums
[21:40] <JanC> schultmc: maybe also communicate it to the LUGs ?
[21:41] <czajkowski> I think we are ready to vote. Since we are using Mootbot give a second before weighing in please!
[21:41] <schultmc> I'm president of the Central Indiana LUG and SimonAnibal is active in the FortWayne LUG
[21:41] <czajkowski> [vote] Re approval of Indiana LoCo Team
[21:41] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Re approval of Indiana LoCo Team.
[21:41] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:41] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:41] <schultmc> I know we try and communicate LoCo events to both of those LUGs
[21:41] <czajkowski> +1
[21:41] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:42] <itnet7> +1
[21:42] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:42] <czajkowski> I think you're making a good effort and with a few tweeks could gain more folks helping you about, and I'll log into your channel and help where I can .
[21:42] <schultmc> thank you
[21:42] <itnet7> I think you have done a good job schultmc We are here for you if you need us
[21:43] <czajkowski> huats: JanC ^^
[21:43] <huats> +1
[21:43] <MootBot> +1 received from huats. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:44] <czajkowski> ok perhaps JanC has had to head we shall vote on email
[21:44] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:44] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3
[21:44] <SimonAnibal> czajkowski, itnet7, huat, Thank you for your time  and consideration.
[21:45] <czajkowski> right that is our agenda covered
[21:45] <itnet7> SimonAnibal: no problem, good job!
[21:45] <czajkowski> does anyone have AOB ?
[21:45] <schultmc> yes, thank you and thank you in advance for helping expand our events
[21:45] <SimonAnibal> JanC, too
[21:46] <czajkowski> just to remind folks you can poke anyone on the LoCo council for help, run ideas by them or if you have any issues.
[21:46] <czajkowski> [endmeeting]
[21:46] <JanC> hm, it would be good to put a link to your forum and such on the reapproval page next time
[21:46] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[21:46] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:46.
[21:46] <czajkowski> JanC: you came back, sorry
[21:47] <schultmc> JanC: sorry for the omission
[21:48] <JanC> it's also not really clear from that page what you did outside the release parties & 1 other event
[21:49] <nes> JanC: how can we communicate (informally) with you?
[21:49] <JanC> so +0 from me
[21:50] <czajkowski> nes: all of the contact details for the council are here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil
[21:56] <vadimkansk> i can't sleep
[21:57] <Agafonov> vadimkansk: deep night in siberia, you should!
[21:57] <JanC> vadimkansk: hello
[21:57] <JanC> vadimkansk: do you still want to talk to us?
[21:59] <vadimkansk> JanC, sorry i'm don't speek english
[21:59] <vadimkansk> JanC, yes
[22:00] <vadimkansk> JanC, Yes, I want but can not
[22:01] <JanC> vadimkansk: you wrote several lines in English already (with some errors, but that is okay)
[22:02] <vadimkansk> JanC, I was indignant attitude on the channel. ie obtained on relnuyu work nobody cares? only would report?
[22:03] <vadimkansk> *real work
[22:05] <JanC> vadimkansk: about the novosibirsk team, we just want a little bit more documentation of what is done, if you did a lot, it should be easy to put that on the wiki and come back for approval next month
[22:06] <vadimkansk> Т.е. молодые люди практически каждую неделю собираються и каждый месяц проводят мероприятия, а ту им показывают зачем работать, можно отчеты писать?
[22:06] <vadimkansk> Ie young people almost every week and every month sobirayutsya carry out activities, and that they show what work, you can write reports?
[22:07] <vadimkansk> JanC, Ie young people almost every week and every month are going to have events, and that they show why work, you can write reports?
[22:09] <czajkowski> vadimkansk: every team does monthly report, it's a small action and shows what each LoCo team does
[22:09] <JanC> well, not every team does, but it's useful when you want to go for (re-)approval
[22:10] <vadimkansk> czajkowski, there are reports
[22:10] <JanC> vadimkansk: so, put links to them on the approval wiki page
[22:11] <JanC> vadimkansk: we have to decide in a short time, we can't go search for everything ourselves
[22:13] <vadimkansk> Хмм... Well here it is, I spend my time for nothing, you do not understand what I meant to say. you their decision now show why the guys do something, write contango! the main thing!
[22:14] <JanC> "contango" ?
[22:14] <vadimkansk> reports
[22:14] <JanC> reports don't have to be 5 pages long  ;)
[22:16] <czajkowski> vadimkansk: bullet points showin what the team does in a month
[22:16] <JanC> vadimkansk: in less than 1 hour of work you could probably have an approval page for next lococouncil meeting to be approved
[22:16] <vadimkansk> JanC, http://nsk.ubuntu.ru/index.php?page=bolshoj-kalendar
[22:18] <vadimkansk> JanC, Well, again, wait until 3 nights so that people over here mocked
[22:20] <vadimkansk> JanC, once something has got to do, a lot of work
[22:29] <vadimkansk> а ну вас всех все одно гугль траслате смысл не передает, жили без вас и дальше проживем. слава богу и без вас можно обойтись. варитесь тут. пишите, как классно у вас ковыряние в носу на вики описано. может ребята и рискнут еще раз прийти на апрув кто
[22:29] <vadimkansk> его знает.
[22:29] <vadimkansk> жаль что до вас главная мысль не дошла.
[22:30] <vadimkansk> good night