=== cpplogger is now known as apachelogger [10:57] pleia2, popey, nixternal: around? [11:01] dholbach: ya [11:01] Technoviking: still there? :) [11:01] morning [11:01] I pinged sabdfl but he might be busy with other stuff [11:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda only lists "Council election process, and standardization thereof" which should be resolved with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing [11:02] do you know of any other items we should discuss? [11:04] I'll note that some of my email regarding developer membership was discussed at last week's TB meeting : those not seeing more discussion in email who have specific interest may want to review that log. [11:04] Out of that came an action item for me to repropose something different, which I'll be sending to the CC and TB in due course. [11:04] thanks a bunch persia [11:05] pleia2, Technoviking, popey: anything else? [11:05] * dholbach will update the agenda and the team report :) [11:05] :) [11:05] nope [11:07] meeting adjourned - thanks :) [11:07] short and sweet [11:08] cheers, back to bed :) [11:09] * dholbach hugs you all :) === jcarter is now known as highvoltage [13:00] #startmeeting [13:00] Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander. [13:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [13:01] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100316 [13:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100316 [13:01] Much better on that time thing this week :) [13:01] yay :) [13:03] G'day NCommander [13:03] * NCommander pokes GrueMaster ogra ericm_ [13:04] * GrueMaster pokes back with a sharper, longer stick. [13:04] :-P [13:04] * ericm_ pokes back [13:04] [topic] Action Items from March 9th, 2010 [13:04] New Topic: Action Items from March 9th, 2010 [13:05] [topic] asac and JamieBennett to triage netbook-launcher-efl bugs [13:05] New Topic: asac and JamieBennett to triage netbook-launcher-efl bugs [13:05] they are at lean training. C/O [13:05] ah, yes [13:05] [topic] ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails [13:05] New Topic: ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails [13:06] also out, skip [13:06] all the other action items are ogra's [13:06] so [13:06] [topic] Current Items [13:06] New Topic: Current Items [13:06] so short meeting today! :) [13:06] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [13:06] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [13:07] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:07] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:07] burndown chart looking happier [13:08] Sorry about that [13:08] StevenK: np [13:08] hmm, not the beta1 one [13:11] Anyone else have anything to say on the burndown charts, or can I move on? [13:11] NCommander, they look better then I expected so move on [13:11] forward, hoa [13:11] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:11] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:12] I guess cooloney is on his biz travel to Beijing [13:13] from dove POV, nothing really interested, Marvell has another several fixing patches but none of them addresses any LP bugs [13:13] I've sent the git pull request to apw just now, together with a workaround for the audio crash bug in mplayer [13:13] and hopefully we'll get a new kernel in several days [13:14] nice [13:14] The mplayer crash was fixed in latest kernel. [13:14] ericm_: can I move on? [13:14] will try and get you a test kernel today [13:14] NCommander, yes please [13:14] apw, thanks [13:14] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) [13:14] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) [13:15] I've posted some bullets on the meeting web page. [13:15] looks like someone already put some decent status there, thanks GrueMaster [13:15] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100316\ [13:15] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100316\ [13:15] big thing this week is beta 1 [13:15] please help test images (if/when they become available) [13:15] speaking of which... is there something we need to do to get the images to show up there? [13:16] for armel that is? [13:16] oh wait [13:16] they are now it seems [13:16] plars: It's often just a matter of timing, etc. [13:16] nm... odd that I didn't get subscription notification of them [13:16] I asked yesterday, and they mentioned needing to do a respin due to an Ubiquity issue. [13:17] I am down to just my imx51 board, so anyone who has stuff to test on, would be very useful [13:17] Yes, interesting. I didn't either. [13:18] * GrueMaster also notices a netboot with 20081029ubuntu90? [13:18] date seems to be a bit off. [13:19] GrueMaster: looks like a QA tracker bug, i386/amd64 are the same [13:19] Ah [13:19] netboot's are built with the version number of d-i, not the date. [13:19] So it isn't a bug [13:19] ah, that would explain it. [13:20] In more critical news, I have narrowed down the bug on imx51 suspend. It isn't a kernel issue. [13:22] I tested several images since Alpha 3, and found that the image dated 0303 works, but 0305 does not. The only relevant package that I can tell that changed was pm-utils, but that was a fix for nvidia only. Doubt that it would make a difference, but I plan on testing it anyways to see. [13:23] The interesting part is that if you start with an image from 0303 and just run updates, it will still work. [13:23] What! [13:24] GrueMaster: that's not completely true, at least in my experience [13:24] GrueMaster: ow [13:24] That points at some difference in how the packages are configured during image build. [13:24] GrueMaster: when I got the new kernel, it broke for me, starting at the 0303 image [13:24] plars: GrueMaster: are you both testing on the same hardware revisions? [13:24] reverting to the one that cooloney gave us, fixed it for me [13:24] babbage 3.0 is what I'm on [13:25] Same here. I'll test the new kernel on 0303. I had thought that you reported the new kernel as working, but you had only been doing updates (hence my deduction). [13:26] I reported in the bug that the rebuilt kernel that he pointed to in the previous comment worked for me [13:26] yes, that was what I thought. [13:27] I had said that the same kernel failed for me, but I was testing off a newer image. [13:28] At any rate, it is a regression that so far isn't entirely kernel based. [13:28] clearly there's some more investigation to be done here, but I think we can work on that outside the meeting [13:29] [action] GrueMaster & plars to investigate imx51 suspend issue offline [13:29] ACTION received: GrueMaster & plars to investigate imx51 suspend issue offline === doko_ is now known as doko [13:30] anything else on the topic we need? [13:30] NCommander, just wondering why there is no recent image on cdimage? [13:30] Nothing new to report on the sound issue with dove. More testing is needed, and the new kernel patches "may" fix it. [13:30] still [13:30] ericm_: 20100316 isn't recent enough? [13:31] GrueMaster, convince me with URL? [13:31] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/ [13:31] LINK received: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/ [13:31] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/20100316/ [13:31] LINK received: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/20100316/ [13:32] ericm_: could be that you are looking under the old location? [13:32] no more desktop? sorry I think I missed something [13:32] a few weeks back, desktop was dropped yes [13:32] Desktop builds were stopped during the sprint. [13:32] in favor of netbook 2d launcher based images [13:32] * ericm_ oops [13:33] :) [13:33] * ericm_ starts the downloading [13:33] Um, just as a side note, there may still be some leftover images, but they were *intended* to be dropped. [13:33] Sorry, I probably should have told the kernel guys that [13:33] persia: Can we spend some time tomorrow going over that? [13:33] I thought they knew since they were at the sprint working with us. [13:33] NCommander: Could you action me to kill the rest of the leftover images tomorrow? [13:33] StevenK, that's OK - my bad - because I'm still seeing desktop images maybe a weeks ago [13:33] [action] persia to bring death to leftover images on antimony [13:33] ACTION received: persia to bring death to leftover images on antimony [13:34] StevenK: Absolutely. Sorry it slipped my mind today. [13:34] NCommander: It's beryllium/chromium/etc. I care about : more poisonous metals I leave for other folk, but sure. [13:35] ericm_: Where are you seeing those images? [13:35] * persia is also curious, because a week ago there should not have been a desktop live [13:35] Indeed, I killed it with fire [13:35] persia: Currently only chromium [13:35] StevenK, maybe cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/* - but I cannot remember the date, maybe back several weeks ago [13:36] ericm_: There's no armel there now :-) [13:36] StevenK: That wasn't true when I synced 12 hours ago, but sure :) [13:36] ericm_: Several weeks ago, I'd believe. [13:36] StevenK, persia, now I'm clear - thanks [13:36] persia: I just got defeated by the round-robin-dns-but-we'll-only-tell-you-one thing [13:36] Anyway, let's move on. ericm_ will play with netbook images, and StevenK and I will fiddle scripts to make sure everything is clean. [13:37] [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:37] New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:37] StevenK: Yeah. I only see multiple names because I watch iftop during my mirror runs sometimes :) [13:38] * NCommander pokes dyfet [13:39] We have decided not to package canola2 for lucid [13:39] Considering how many freezes are in effect, that's a good thing :) [13:40] Well more to the point, parts of it are using entirely depreciated dependencies that we should not package either [13:40] So we may not be using it in lucid +1 either... [13:42] but if you have the 2D launcher you have the dependencies, no? [13:42] We did get a different enlightment media player into lucid though. [13:42] It also uses etk [13:42] * persia checks [13:42] and epsilon [13:42] enna [13:44] may I move on? [13:44] yes [13:44] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [13:44] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [13:45] OOo is almost resolved. ARM sent a revised patch which I need to test [13:45] chromium-browser is showing some odd platform specific behavior. Bugs filed [13:45] (also a general bug with it in UNE) [13:48] dyfet: anything else to add? [13:48] NCommander: did you file a bug on the decoration/maximus issue? [13:48] Yes [13:48] I had a small patch for squid ftbfs [13:49] You fixed squid! Excellent!. [13:49] Well, I took Loic's suggestion... [13:49] And made it into a patch :) [13:49] plars: yeah, its tagged une since its not armel specific [13:50] NCommander: great, I was going to offer if you hadn't already [13:51] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia) [13:51] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, persia) [13:51] Images seem to be building, but are still a bit buggy. [13:52] squid was the last big missing piece on Monday (didn't check today) [13:52] I'm having an issue that I can't boot some recent images, but I think that's just me. [13:52] Nothing else, unless someone else has something. [13:53] [topic] Any Other Business [13:53] New Topic: Any Other Business [13:53] Are we going to have kexec this cycle? [13:54] I believe that is what is needed for dual booting images, right? [13:54] GrueMaster: no [13:54] not unless something drastically changes between now and release [13:55] If we are not going to have a supported method for dual booting, I would like to suggest we remove the side-by-side installation option from Ubiquity. [13:56] Since the only way to dual boot currently is with a lot of magic and a serial port. [13:56] GrueMaster: file a bug :-) [13:57] anything else, or can I close out the meeting [13:57] Ubuntu Liquid Update: I spoke with the upstream author of plasma mobile @ the Bossa Conference and he is happy for us to work on making it available in ubuntu :). He said an October time frame is realistic if we help out on Kwin and other issues. There is now an official initiative to break up kde libs http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-maemo/2010-February/000059.html and we are participating on that too. We would like the standing item back and w [13:57] ant to have everything in-archive by the week of 3rd June, so we can play with Alpha 1 [13:58] ian_brasil: woo. Sounds like we'll have a ubuntu-liquid-remix for lucid+1 [13:58] :-) [13:58] it is not called remix now..just ubuntu liquid [13:59] Well, we'll see. [13:59] ian_brasil: I thought it had to be called remix unless approved by the TB [13:59] We'll try to make it not a remix, at least. [13:59] NCommander: No, it has to be called a remix unless it's a flavour. [13:59] * NCommander notes persia would probably know the trademark policy better than I will [13:59] ok..either is fine by me [13:59] It isn't yet clear whether that needs TB approval (although I think it ought). [13:59] ian_brasil: we'll have something. What that something is called is $UNDEFINED [13:59] * NCommander notices a running tread with platform related items, and names [13:59] NCommander: Not trademark, but anyway, yeah. [14:00] any objections if I close out the meeting? [14:00] #endmeeting [14:00] Meeting finished at 09:00. [15:04] * stgraber looks around for a DMB meeting (and check he isn't wrong due to the DST change last weekend) [15:04] You7re an hour early :) [15:04] * bdrung_ is here and waits for it's beginning [15:05] doh, is the fridge lying ? I'm using the feed from it and it says it's time ... [15:05] persia: date -u returns Di 16. Mär 15:05:01 UTC 2010 [15:05] here [15:05] Oh, cool! [15:05] Then it is now. [15:05] the DST change was only in the US [15:05] great because in an hour I'll most likely not be online :) [15:05] wasn't it? at least not in Europe [15:05] cjwatson: and Canada ;) [15:06] this week is Daylight Confusion Time [15:06] I just thought I remembered the meeting being an hour later local time, and since we don't have DST here, didn't expect any change. [15:07] ping nixternal, soren [15:08] hmm, ok, let's hope they'll show up soon (also pinged geser in -devel) [15:09] I can't get the agenda wiki page to load here [15:09] oh, now that I say that, there it is [15:09] wiki is extremely slow today (as in, worst than usual) [15:10] shall we start anyway and hope the others will join ? (we don't have quorum) [15:14] we appointed geser as the chair, but: [15:14] 15:41 I'm (if my university schedule permits it which I still have to look at) [15:14] anyone contacted Cody? [15:14] ok, and I said by mail that I'd be fine being the chair for that meeting as well [15:14] cjwatson: nope, can't find him onIRC [15:14] I think we need to revisit the meeting schedule. This doesn't seem to be working out. [15:14] I don't see him on irc.canonical.com either [15:15] looking at the agenda, we only have membership applications to discuss and we have no quorum [15:15] soren was around not too long ago. [15:15] I'm afraid I won't be able to make the meeting today. An unfortunate combination of my wife's schedule at university, DST change, and day care pick ups has rendered today a bit of a planning nightmare for me. [15:15] so we can either discuss them now and continue by mail or hope they'll show up [15:15] soren: ah well, thanks [15:16] angelabad's application has one advocate comment, but that is for membership not for MOTU [15:16] * persia goes to deal with the *extremely belated* outstanding action item. [15:16] so I'm a bit confused [15:17] I think angelabad's application isn't complete. If nobody objects, I'll contact him with some gudeance. [15:17] I'm wondering if he applied for the wrong thing by mistake [15:17] I don't object, I think that would be useful [15:17] I think he's under the impression one must be accepted before one may contribute much. [15:18] persia: agreed [15:18] I don't think that, unfortunately, we can do very much with bdrung's application without quorum; it looks well-formed (although only one advocate), and he's well-known, but for a core-dev application we should discuss it with a quorate DMB [15:18] I'll agree with that. [15:19] wasn't there a web site somewhere that one could use to help arrange meeting times? [15:19] I forget its name, it had some kind of whizzy UI [15:19] There was. [15:20] doodle.ch [15:20] http://www.doodle.com/ [15:20] oh, they have .com now :) [15:20] Anyway, doodle :) [15:26] So, do we want to set up a doodle poll? [15:27] yeah [15:27] * persia is doing so [15:28] great, thanks [15:30] is there anything else we can realistically do? [15:31] http://www.doodle.com/hq3ysna8z3bccm7w [15:31] oh, hello geser [15:31] are you here or is that just your client? [15:31] * geser is here, just arrived back home from work [15:32] Well then. [15:33] stgraber: Shall we start? [15:33] oh, the meeting didn't start yet? [15:34] No, we weren't quorate [15:35] also I believe you're the chair - there was no point selecting another one until we had quorum :) [15:36] I thought stgraber volunteered for chair in an immediate reply to the minutes. [15:36] (but I don't really care who chairs as long as it's not me again) [15:37] let's start [15:38] I can do it (have do it sometime anyways) [15:38] geser: I'd appreciate it [15:38] #startmeeting [15:38] Meeting started at 10:38. The chair is geser. [15:38] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:38] a n900 isn't exactly fast to type on [15:39] I've had worse phones for that, but yes :) [15:39] [TOPIC] persia to gather votes from absent members by email [15:39] New Topic: persia to gather votes from absent members by email [15:39] hola [15:39] what's the status of this? is it done or still pending? [15:39] I fail. Hoping to get that out *during* this meeting. [15:40] Whose application was this and whose vote is missing? [15:42] cyphermox and nixternal,soren,cjwatson [15:42] oh, really? sorry I missed that [15:42] * nixternal looks [15:42] I don't have the context right now but happy to process by mail [15:42] cjwatson: You weren't able to make that meeting, and I've been consistently failing to complain about it. [15:43] hehe [15:44] [ACTION] nixternal, soren and cjwatson send the missing vote per mail [15:44] ACTION received: nixternal, soren and cjwatson send the missing vote per mail [15:45] is "Administrative Matters" in the agenda a real topic or only category title? [15:45] It's a category title. [15:45] Mail sent. Sorry to not send it for so long. [15:46] [TOPIC] MOTU application: AngelAbad [15:46] New Topic: MOTU application: AngelAbad [15:46] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AngelAbad [15:46] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AngelAbad [15:46] 15:16 angelabad's application has one advocate comment, but that is for membership not for MOTU [15:47] 15:17 I'm wondering if he applied for the wrong thing by mistake [15:47] 15:17 I think angelabad's application isn't complete. If nobody objects, I'll contact him with some gudeance. [15:47] 15:17 I don't object, I think that would be useful [15:47] 15:17 I think he's under the impression one must be accepted before one may contribute much. [15:47] 15:18 persia: agreed [15:47] and he's also not here [15:47] geser: if you also agree, let's action persia to do that [15:47] cjwatson: +1 here on contact [15:47] [ACTION] persia contacts angelabad about his application [15:47] ACTION received: persia contacts angelabad about his application [15:47] * cjwatson removes the blinkers and notices nixternal is here too [15:48] lol [15:48] w00t, my ninja skills are real!!! [15:48] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Core Developer Application: Benjamin Drung [15:48] New Topic: Ubuntu Core Developer Application: Benjamin Drung [15:48] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BenjaminDrung/CoreDeveloperApplication [15:48] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BenjaminDrung/CoreDeveloperApplication [15:48] bdrung_: hola [15:48] * bdrung_ waves. [15:49] my applications lacks comments from asac and pitti [15:50] asac: are you here for a quick comment on bdrung's core-dev application? [15:53] I believe asac to be unavailable at this time. [15:54] bdrung_: how would Ubuntu benefit if you were to become a core-dev? [15:55] nixternal: the sponsors queue will be shorter. working on sponsoring main packages in my intention for applying [15:55] ( http://overbenny.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/empty-ubuntu-universe-sponsors-queue/ ) [15:56] the archive queue has a huge variance, btw, due to periodic semi-automatic processing :) [15:57] bdrung_: so the only reason why the main queue got so long is because of lacking sponsors? or do you see other reasons too? [15:57] but yes, I'd definitely like to see more people working on the main queue [15:57] bdrung_: I see mozilla-devscripts is in Debian; how has it been received there? [15:57] well, I now know what lilypond is. i borrowed some code from their kde client just recently because the code snippet i was looking for they had :) [15:59] I like the look of dh_xul-ext, from a brief glance [16:00] geser: yes, there are not enough sponsors. the quotient between core-devs and patch supplier is worse than the quotient between motus and patch suppliers. core-devs have probably more to do than motus and therefore not enough time for sponsoring [16:00] * jjohansen waves [16:00] bdrung_: I see lucene2 FTBFS 7 weeks ago (2010-01-26), any reason why this hasn't been fixed yet in Lucid? [16:00] and we're out of time :( [16:00] urgh, are we running into the server team meeting? [16:00] We are. [16:01] can we extend by 5-10 minutes to get this done? [16:01] jiboumans: ^ [16:01] bdrung_: how do you plan to make sure your sponsoring doesn't interfere with work from other core-dev? [16:01] cjwatson: mozilla-devscripts was brought to debian before i start working on it heavily. we use it for many extensions now. [16:01] cjwatson: server team meeting is tomorrow, last i checked [16:01] cjwatson: so please, go right ahead :) [16:02] jjohansen: Which meeting is this? [16:02] kernel team persia [16:02] oh, kernel team [16:02] sorry, failed to check the calendar [16:02] pgraner: Can we have 10 minutes? [16:02] nixternal: i can't reproduce the lucene2 FTBFS. it fails due to a lack of network access. i tried it with disabled network, but it still compiles. help is welcome. [16:02] bdrung_: we've clashed a bit regarding parts of the units policy, I know. how do you plan to continue with the changes there? [16:03] geser: if there is a possible conflict, i'll try to contact the previous uploader [16:04] pesky xml test [16:04] cjohnston: short: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554172 [16:04] Gnome bug 554172 in general "g_format_size_for_display() should use correct IEC units" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [16:05] (please fix tab completion :-) ) yeah, am subscribed to that, it seems to be making good progress [16:05] you're primarily interested in the GNOME bits then? [16:05] long: i try to get a solution in glib (probably introducing a set of new functions and deprecate the old function) and then port all apps [16:05] * persia notices the kernel team meeting is 17:00 UTC, and breathes easily [16:07] cjwatson: i primarily concentrate on glib, because this library has the biggest impact and solving this lib blocks fixing the other apps. [16:08] persia: yea [16:08] bdrung_: To what degree do you feel that teams that focus on groups of packages (e.g. kubuntu team, server team) should be granted authority over those packages? [16:08] cjwatson: i have a patch for thunar waiting for the beta release. kde uses IEC prefixes. therefore a change there isn't that urgent [16:08] right - we're certainly getting to the point where I think those changes should be held off to lucid+1, but that approach makes sense in general [16:08] persia: regarding sponsoring patches? [16:09] bdrung_: That would likely be an example that's closest to what you'd first encounter, given your declared future plans :) [16:09] cjohnston: safe patches to fix SI prefix abuse, but targetting lucid+1 for bigger patches (probably transmission) [16:10] hehe, tab complete bites again [16:10] damn, that tab completion mistake happens to often [16:11] * dholbach renames cjwatson to Kamion ;-) [16:11] bdrung_: i think my last question is this...what is the current state of eclipse in lucid? (this might lead to another one maybe) :) [16:13] nixternal: we are only a few days away from releasing eclipse 3.5.2-1 to debian. we have to fix lucene2 and someone needs to let libjasper-java pass NEW. Then we can sync (or merge [due to xulrunner-1.9.2]) [16:14] nice [16:14] persia: i rephrase your question? do you ask, if the upload right can be transferred to one team (like kubuntu team) only? [16:14] you think that will get down in time to make it into lucid or it looking to be a lucid+1 deal? [16:15] bdrung_: No. I ask for your personal opinion about the level of coordination you expect to engage in when working on packages also maintained by such teams. [16:16] nixternal: definitively lucid. it will fix #453036. The source is now free of .exe, .dll, .so, .so.2, *.a, .sl, .jnilib, .jar, .class, and .zip files. Removing the .class files took us some time. [16:17] * nixternal does a bit of a happy dance :) [16:17] nixternal: look at http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-java/eclipse.git;a=summary and you will see that we are actively working on eclipse [16:18] bdrung_: and you are confident that eclipse 3.5.2 won't include new bugs that short before release? [16:18] * persia will support that contention, seeing daily activity from bdrung on eclipse [16:19] persia: i have no clear image yet, but i will try to contact the teams (or asking them for doing the sponsoring themself). [16:20] geser: there is one issue that is not fixed yet, but i don't worry about bugs. 3.5.2 is a bug fix release (compared to 3.5.1) and the packaging has improved. [16:21] geser: the eclipse team has currently 3 active members and some more testers. [16:22] everything answered or did i miss a question? [16:22] stgraber-n900_: You still about? You said something about time limitations before. [16:23] yeah, I'm away from the office [16:23] but online on my cell :) [16:23] (multi-tasking quite a bit) [16:24] anyone still have questions? [16:24] I think I have attention defecit disorder, and because of that, I multi-task for all the wrong reasons [16:24] geser: no more from me, I am good [16:24] shall we proceed to a vote? we all seem to be questioned out [16:25] nothing that wasn't already asked [16:25] * nixternal is ready to vote [16:26] [VOTE] bdrung_ becoming a Ubuntu Core Developer [16:26] Please vote on: bdrung_ becoming a Ubuntu Core Developer. [16:26] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [16:26] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [16:26] +1 [16:26] +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [16:26] +1 [16:26] +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [16:26] +1 : I'm happy with historical patch complexity, and suckered because bdrung is so very active in so many of my favorite areas. [16:26] +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [16:26] +1 [16:26] +1 [16:26] +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [16:26] +1 received from stgraber-n900_. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [16:26] persia: heh [16:27] persia: I agree...really liking the fact we are getting a much better eclipse than in the past [16:27] bdrung_: My the way, you failed to include all your uploads in main in your application. I found at least a couple more during review. [16:27] nixternal: I get the triumvirate of java, media, and sponsoring though :) [16:28]