[00:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/286337 [00:00] Launchpad bug 286337 in hardy-backports "Please backport OpenSSH 5.1 to Hardy" [Wishlist,Won't fix] [00:00] apt-get build-dep openssh-server [00:00] that'll get the build-dependencies right, and you can just ./configure && make && sudo make install [00:01] so I won't need to re-compile openssl? [00:02] also does that compile in support for pam and all that? [00:03] no idea [00:03] v0lksman: uh, why don't you use this PPA like in the bug comments? https://launchpad.net/~rainct/+archive [00:03] if you use debuild, it will do a normal ubuntu build, so yes pam included. however, PPA's ++ [00:03] cause it's a bit of a security risk? [00:04] so is compiling it yourself [00:04] I'd rather blame myself than tell my client I got the software from some joe... [00:04] v0lksman: you can check the signatures on the ppa, check the diff against the lucid diff [00:04] it's not like the PPA binaries are closed source [00:04] lifeless: hrm...not a bad idea [00:04] the ppa is outdated too though [00:04] yeah, that's what you'll be dealing with from here on out [00:05] at least hardy's 4.9 is maintained [00:05] until lucid is released [00:05] 4.9? 4.7 [00:05] where is 4.9 for hardy? that'll do...anything more than 4.8 [00:05] whoops, yeah [00:05] 4.7 [00:05] damn [00:05] had me hoping there [00:06] lifeless: I'm really slack. I haven't looked into that test-driven stuff at all. [00:06] jayvee: de nada [00:06] I've now got some people using python-iview as an "upstream". :-D [00:07] The xbmc and boxee iview plugins re-use python-iview. I honestly didn't think it was *that* reusable. :) [00:07] So yeah, the test-driven whatever is all the more important. [00:07] \o/ [00:09] most things I set my mind to, I "just get" [00:09] but not unit testing [00:10] the things I don't "just get" are unit testing, BGP, Wave Robot API, and OAuth. [00:10] everything else I can get my head around in an hour or so. [00:10] Oh, and D-Bus. I don't get that either. [00:11] BGP is fune. [00:12] dbus is NIH DCOM is NIH CORBA === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [00:24] still trying to find out why i need to have a monitor plug in to see the login prompt in serial console ? [00:31] axisys: that is a very strange problem. never heard of that one... [00:31] i'm curious to know the solution. [00:32] what package do i need to install to get ubuntu to auto-register in Active Directory DNS? === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [00:52] posted my message in ubuntu server and user mailing list .. [00:53] looks like exact same problem was posted before [00:53] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-April/182662.html [00:53] but on older version ubuntu [00:55] this seems to be similar bug in lucid [00:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/529234 [00:56] Launchpad bug 529234 in linux "monitor drops to standby with "no signal" during boot splash on luicd alpha 3" [Undecided,New] [01:16] looks like i need to disable gdm .. becasue it is a desktop .. [01:17] so update-rc.d -f gdm remove should do it? [01:18] axisys: should - i prefer rcconf [01:20] MTecknology: rcconf ? i have not used it [01:20] !info rcconf [01:20] ubottu: *tap* *tap* [01:21] 20:21 < mtbot> MTecknology: rcconf (source: rcconf): Debian Runlevel configuration tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2 (karmic), package size 22 kB, installed size 132 kB [01:21] rcconf (source: rcconf): Debian Runlevel configuration tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2 (karmic), package size 22 kB, installed size 132 kB [01:22] update-rc.d is the solution used by all the maintainer scripts : other stuff also works, but be warned that it's 1) not default and 2) it's essential not to break update-rc.d [01:22] axisys: /pp 18 [01:23] axisys: sorry [01:23] persia: hmm... i guess i will just go with update-rc.d then [01:24] axisys: rcconf is extremely simple. I only use update-rc.d when I need to add a script manually to /etc/init.d [01:28] there's a lot of opinions in here - but usually something to back up the reason.. postgresql vs mysql.. opinions and reasons for picking one over the other? [02:15] hi [02:17] Anyone here? [02:18] no [02:21] So much for getting help then [02:21] well, its a bit of a silly question [02:21] perhaps you could ask your questions [02:21] There's lots of folk here [02:21] !ask [02:21] 'don't ask to ask, just ask' [02:22] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [02:22] no point to ask if no one is here to answer. [02:23] Razernok: /names will give you a list of folk. Also, when lifeless said "no" he meant approximetely the opposite. [02:23] Razernok: people don't reply to 'is there anyone here' style questions: folk are generally working and thats a fairly social question. Its also very disruptive if everyone answers (because you get a lot of noise) [02:26] What is the point of the DNS server? [02:27] It translates arbitrary strings into IP addresses. [02:27] Or translates arbitrary strings into other strings (depending) [02:32] a DNS is basically a semi-flat database of mappings of names to ip addresses, names, or informational data about the name, and as such can also provide mapping of ip addresses back to names. without one, you can't get a computer to recognise that www.google.com.au maps to an IP address that is used behind the scenes to make the connection. Think of it a bit like a phone book. [02:34] so with it a dynamic ip can have a .com domain? [02:34] cef: "IP addresses back to names" is just a superset of names to infomational data. [02:35] Razernok: the DNS Server in Ubuntu can be used to do that but isn't needed for that. They are separate problems. [02:35] Razernok: you need the DNS Server if you want to run a DNS server. You only need to run a DNS Server if you need to maintain a DNS zone yourself: small organisations and below generally outsource this to their domain registrar [02:35] persia: sort of.. it's constrained.. you can get a name to an ip, but not necessarily get an ip back to a name. that depends on if it's say a CNAME or if they have bothered to even provide reverse mapping (in-addr.arpa) [02:36] my server is on a dynamic ip [02:37] Razernok: there are services that allow you to give a constant name to a dynamic ip, but it does have issues (eg: when the ip changes, etc). places like dyndns.org and the like. [02:38] dyndns.org only gives dynamic ips a subdomain [02:38] cef: My point is that when do you the in-addr.arpa dance, you're back into the "names into *" area. Just a nitpick of mine: there *is no* reverse DNS, just a cooperative convention that mimics it. [02:39] persia: ahh I see what you mean.. yeah true [02:40] I guess no .com domain for my server then... :(* [02:40] :( [02:41] Razernok: you get a unique hostname, and that you can point at with a different DNS (eg: ISP/DNS Registrar hosted) using a CNAME record. But, it'll still suffer all the dyndns type issues. [02:41] i can only get dynamic ips not static ips [02:42] eg: get a DNS Registrar to host iwantafunnyname.com for you, then set up a CNAME record that maps www.iwantafunnyname.com to whaterveritis.dyndns.org [02:45] it's a hack, and you can have issues (eg: you can't the CNAME use the name for an MX - mail exchange - record, etc etc.) [02:45] hmm, I hope no-ip.com's software works on linux then [02:46] Razernok: there are a number of things and services like that, so there are options if you do go down that path [02:46] hmmm, its a download. I dunno how to transfer it to the server or install it from a file. Unless they gave me a apt-get command I'm clueless on how to install it. [02:47] well, then again I could run the no-ip.com software on my windows pc since the public ip is the same [02:47] but prefer it on the actually server though [02:48] anyone know the apt-get for no-ip.com's software? [02:49] Having trouble designating an ethernet port for sending DHCP communication using DHCPD3 on ubuntu [02:50] What needs to be added in DCHPD3.CONF to only set up dhcp on one interface connected to a router? [02:51] i guess no one knows then :( [02:51] bye then [02:53] apt-cache search dynamic shows several [02:54] apt-cache seach no-ip even shows three. [02:54] sekyourbox: see /etc/defaults/dhcp3-server [02:55] although i don't quite know what "connected to a router" means. [02:56] thx, brb [03:03] test [03:09] need help settig up virtual host on ubuntu server 9.10, I can configure on other linux and bsd no problem so I must be missing something. I've copied the default file to www.ezyaspi.com in my sites-available folder and ran a2en www.ezyaspi.com and restarted apache with sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart. But I still get the default page when I browse to www.ezyaspi.com page. DNS is pointed correctly. Any suggestions? [03:14] do you need network manager for ATH0 / wifi connections? [03:15] How does this work exactly, I have a physical interface WIFI0, and what seems to be some type of virtual interface ATH0.. ath0 is where im picking up my ip address. [03:16] sorry, wlan0 [03:17] yeah, they're a bit funny [03:17] don't touch the one that doesn't do anything [03:17] I have an aironet card that comes up as wifi0 and wmaster0 [03:18] I don't touch wmaster0 [03:19] I need to remove network manager [03:19] I have wmaster0 too [03:19] ath0 has the ip of the wifi network [03:19] I dont want to hose my internet if I drop netman [03:55] how do i open a file using command line? [04:00] Razernok: you mean like a text editor? [04:00] nano is a good text editor to use if you're not familiar with the command line. [04:00] $ nano the_file.txt [04:02] hmmm, and it looks like there is no way to add users to the ftp server. weird [04:04] Razernok: maybe it's based on system users? [04:04] maybe the ftp server uses your unix users as authentication [04:05] what pwnguin said :) [04:05] personally, i avoid ftp [04:05] strongly agree [04:05] nope [04:05] Razernok: install openssh-server, and use an SFTP program to transfer files [04:05] slowly training our interactive media dept that it's bad [04:05] most FTP cilents support SFTP these days [04:05] i just tried my user and pass [04:05] it's not even worth getting FTP going [04:05] just use SFTP [04:06] need ftp for dreamweaver [04:06] eww [04:06] pretty sure dreamweaver supports SCP [04:06] that's another thing you'll want to get rid of :P [04:07] http://webmaster.iu.edu/tool_guide_info/dreamweaver_pc.shtml [04:07] from the ftp server "Response: 530 This FTP server is anonymous only." [04:07] wtf [04:07] heh [04:07] Razernok: you have ssh set up for administration right? [04:08] yea [04:08] I'm on putty [04:09] i haven't checked but im pretty sure that if you can scp to the box, you can sftp [04:09] need ftp so i can use Filezilla [04:10] filezilla should support sftp as well [04:10] Razernok: filezilla supports sftp [04:10] # [04:10] # Supports FTP, FTP over SSL/TLS (FTPS) and SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP) [04:10] like I said, most FTP clients out there support SFTP [04:10] Razernok: if you want to get really crazy, set up WebDAV [04:11] actually, I believe it is possible to configure sshd to not support sftp while allowing scp, but it's not a common configuration. [04:12] probably, but i think openssh-server allows both out of box on ubuntu? [04:15] i got it but it won't let me transfer files [04:15] open for write: permission denied [04:15] :( [04:15] with FTP? [04:16] sftp [04:16] where you trying to write to and with what user? [04:16] yes [04:16] its an admin user [04:17] if it's root [04:17] that's disabled by default [04:17] its a folder in root [04:17] where you trying to write to and with what user? [04:18] in /Storage [04:18] Razernok: ubuntu "admin" users aren't automatically root [04:18] they are only "root" when they use sudo [04:19] when you use sftp, you just have normal permissions [04:19] so you have to "chown razernok:razernok /Storage" [04:19] or the equivalent [04:19] so how do i upload into root? [04:19] huh? [04:19] what is the user you are trying to log in as? [04:19] s/log in/upload/ [04:20] my admin user [04:20] yeah, but what's his username? [04:20] does it matter? [04:20] john [04:20] you want to go "chown john /Storage" [04:20] unless [04:20] it's web data [04:22] where do i do chown john /Storage [04:22] ubuntu web server doesn't run as root [04:22] /Storage doesn't sound like it's being served by the web server to me [04:23] its so i have an easy to find folder for my uploads to the server but not to be seen on the web server. [04:23] thats what your homedir is for? [04:24] but you then have to type "/home/john" [04:24] and i don't want the extra stuff to remember [04:25] depends on the client [04:25] * jayvee bangs head on desk [04:25] many will automatically chdir ~ [04:25] true [04:25] chdir??? [04:25] and if you use "scp some_file.txt myserver:" it automatically copies it to your home directory [04:26] change directory to ~ (where ~ means home directory) [04:26] cd and chdir mean change directory [04:26] ok you've lost me [04:27] I just want to be able to upload to anywhere on the server. [04:27] you could enable the root user, but you're really shooting yourself in the foot [04:27] Razernok, that can't be done without massively destroying the system permission scheme [04:28] mmm...it's a very Windows-like attitude [04:28] qman__: you could just use root, which preserves permissions but opens up another fun attack. perhaps theres a way to limit it to scp, but even then, yikes [04:28] allowing root to log on remotely is something I don't ever consider doing [04:28] yeah, rssh can limit it to scp, but with root permissions, you could just delete rssh with scp [04:29] and when you run as root, everything you create is owned as root, which mucks up permissions anyway [04:29] Razernok: I know when I was new to Linux, I wanted the same too, so I understand where you're coming from. [04:29] But really, it's shooting yourself in the foot still. :) [04:29] so if I'm only allowed to upload to my user's home directory then how am i expected to upload to say the htdocs folder? or custom folders used as storage? [04:29] yes [04:30] it's a Very Bad Idea (tm) [04:30] Razernok: you could make yourself the owner of that directory [04:30] ya can't then unless you place the folders in the home directory [04:30] you can totally change the ownership of files [04:30] exactly [04:30] probably there's a smarter way [04:30] Razernok, there's also ~/public_html [04:30] I need to configure /etc/networ/interfaces.. Can i configure ath0 (wireless) in here or do I have to use some IW config file??? [04:31] Razernok: you should "chown" (i.e. "change owner") of your htdocs directory to yourself so you can upload to it [04:31] which is why I was talking about chown earlier [04:31] im thinking, mod_userdir and mod_rewrite [04:31] i don't see a command line in filezilla [04:31] use ssh [04:31] yeah you'll need to do it from putty [04:31] oh god [04:32] sudo chown john:john /var/www/htdocs [04:32] or wherever htdocs is [04:32] actually [04:32] you probably want john:www-data [04:32] otherwise it might break the website [04:32] true [04:32] what you can do is use mod_userdir to provide a mapping from www.example.com/~john to /home/john/public_html [04:32] i have no idea where htdocs is located at [04:33] well, there is no htdocs by default in ubuntu [04:33] well if you haven't touched anything, it's actually /var/www [04:33] so unless you created it, it doesn't exist [04:33] and then make a public_html dir with group www-data, and set it to be sticky [04:33] Razernok: I'm guessing you're reading tutorials for Fedora or Red Hat? [04:33] and the default website is /var/www [04:33] Red Hat uses htdocs by default, but Debian and Ubuntu call it different [04:33] don't read Fedora tutorials [04:33] yeah, that'll really mess you up [04:33] I use apache [04:33] stick to ubuntu docs for ubuntu [04:33] yeah [04:34] Razernok: the apache tutorials for Fedora aren't the same as the ones for Ubuntu/Debian [04:34] my head definitely explodes when I try and do things the Fedora way in Ubuntu, or vice versa [04:34] debian docs are secondarily preferred, since most of the packages are similar [04:34] but definitely use ubuntu centric docs wherever possible [04:35] Razernok: for example, last i checked, apache ran as root on Fedora, while it runs as its own user in Debian [04:35] i came from windows not fedora [04:35] pwnguin: on CentOS 5.4 at least, it runs as the 'httpd' user [04:35] debian and ubuntu also have a very different apache configuration setup [04:36] apache on windows is a disaster waiting to happen [04:36] jayvee: perhaps. my rhel env at work is best described as pathological [04:36] Razernok: but you must have been reading a Red Hat–centric tutorial or heard from a Red Hat using user if you wanted to access a "htdocs" folder [04:36] Ubuntu has never had a "htdocs" folder. :) [04:36] i think htdocs is the default apache stuff [04:36] no [04:36] on apache its called htdocs [04:36] it's probably that way on windows too [04:37] yeah, possibly [04:37] Razernok: trust me, apache doesn't care [04:37] pwnguin: come to think of it, you might be right [04:37] Razernok: its all in the config files in /etc/apache2/ [04:37] %PROGRAMFILES%\Apache\htdocs or something [04:38] last time I ran Apache on Windows was way back in 2007 [04:38] heh [04:38] or 2006, actually [04:38] i havent but my boss tried [04:38] yeah, 2006 [04:38] the only thing worse than trying to run apache on windows, is trying to run PHP in IIS 5 [04:38] * jayvee shudders [04:38] I've done that...briefly [04:38] i accidentally recomended we replace our IIS ftp site with webdav [04:38] but it turns out apple is spawn satan [04:38] and only supports apache, poorly [04:39] you mean apple can only connect to apache webdav servers, and not, say, iis webdav servers? [04:39] correct [04:39] ouch [04:39] it demands webdav 2.0 [04:39] webdav is kind of...meh [04:39] and even then, fucks up the syntax [04:39] it was new back in...1998 [04:39] webdav is neat; pokes straight through firewalls [04:40] Windows 98 had the glorious new "Web Folders" feature in My Computer [04:40] supported out of box by windows, ubuntu and OSX.... IF you run apache [04:40] it is easier to secure than sftp if you don't trust your users, I have to admit [04:40] rssh is kind of meh as well [04:40] anyways [04:41] ive taken to a simple /var/www/www.pwnguin.net approach, with Virtual Directory in apache config [04:41] that's what I do on my linode [04:42] userdir is a great solution when you want normal users to be able to upload to a web server [04:42] dead easy to maintain [04:42] qman__: is it possible to combine userdir and modrewrite? [04:42] not sure, never tried [04:43] so what do i need to do???? [04:43] I've done userdir, and I've done rewrite, but not both at the same time [04:44] Razernok, if you're the only user, just SSH in, and `sudo chown john:www-data /var/www` [04:44] then you'll be able to upload files there, and they'll show up in the default apache site [04:44] assuming your username is john [04:44] protip: set the group sticky bit if you want new dirs to inherit the group [04:45] (you do) [04:45] and what about normal folders for storage? [04:45] just use your home folder, or a folder within it [04:45] i'd just use my homedir, because thats what should show up if you dont' type in anything for a directory [04:45] a tilde, ~, magically refers to your home folder [04:46] so you don't have to type /home/john every time [04:46] i want to avoid typing long paths like /home/john/something/fgse.txt [04:46] use tab completion [04:46] Razernok: in your HTML? [04:46] also, that's not a long path [04:46] so i need to place it in the root [04:46] you do not want to place files in the root [04:46] like /Storage [04:47] that's also a Very Bad Idea [04:47] to clarify [04:47] alot faster to type /Storage then /home/john/Storage/file.txt [04:48] if your user is john, '~/Storage' means the same thing as '/home/john/Storage' [04:48] yes [04:48] 100% agree [04:48] home folders are there for a reason [04:49] you can also type that path very quickly [04:49] I use the ~ shortcut all the time [04:49] keys pressed, in order: / h TAB j TAB shift+S TAB [04:49] I probably haven't typed /home/jeremy for years [04:49] well [04:49] my bash autocomplete isn't network aware [04:50] mine isn't either, but I have a /home/ryan on all my machines [04:51] damnit, can't find a remove folder command [04:51] wtf [04:51] the new version of openssh that just came out a few days ago adds tab completion to the built in sftp client [04:52] rm [04:52] I use scp the most, though [04:52] Razernok: use "rmdir" if the folder is empty [04:52] this is ticking me off [04:52] mostly i just use gnome's remote scp mount tool [04:52] Razernok, rm -r if you want to remove a directory and all files within [04:52] or "rm -r" if you want to remove all files inside it but BE CAREFUL with that command — you can do a lot of damage [04:52] rmdir: failed to remove `/Storage': Permission denied [04:53] sudo rmdir [04:53] ls -l /Storage [04:53] well, maybe that lists out the dir contents, i just want to know it's ownership and permissions =/ [04:53] pwnguin: ls -ld /Storage [04:53] ^ Razernok that one [04:54] pwnguin: Error: "Razernok" is not a valid command. [04:54] wth [04:54] didn't work [04:54] still won't let me delete it [04:54] yeah, ^ is apparently a bot command [04:54] sudo rm -r /Storage [04:54] Razernok, this must be done from SSH or local command line [04:54] it will delete everything inside /Storage, if that's what you want to do [04:54] not from inside an SFTP connection [04:55] ls just lists the files & permissions. its how you tell what the permissions currently are [04:55] * pwnguin is surprised [04:55] i upgraded my linode to 10.04 and it still works [04:56] ha [04:56] jumping the gun a bit, eh [04:56] there [04:56] well [04:56] heh, been running lucid since jan [04:56] i split my disk in two [04:56] hmmmm, how do you unpack webmin_1.510_all.deb on windows? [04:56] one is the in case of emergency undo snapshot [04:57] Razernok: 7zip can probably do it, however... [04:57] so i can place it in the preuploading folder for dreamweaver [04:57] Razernok, webmin is not supported on ubuntu [04:57] i use winrar [04:57] Razernok: you don't unpack debs on windows [04:57] Razernok: if you really want webmin, just upload the deb directl [04:57] directly [04:57] Debian package suitable for Debian, Ubuntu or other derived Linux [04:57] http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin_1.510_all.deb 14M [04:57] says on webmin's site [04:57] !webmin [04:57] webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead. [04:58] wtf, then what do i use???? [04:58] !ebox [04:58] ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox [04:58] same as webmin? [04:58] this is gonna be a web hosting site [04:59] hahahahh [04:59] you have a long way to go before you host people [04:59] well, i guess you mean one for personal use? [04:59] you should not be using webmin or ebox for a web hosting site, either [04:59] you want something more like cpanel I'm guessing [05:00] webmin and ebox are aimed at general server administration, not web hosts [05:01] I'm planning to host only about 5 trusted clients [05:01] and anyone hosting others should know his way around the command line, otherwise when something breaks you're going to be in for a world of hurt [05:02] * pwnguin is barely qualified to host his own stuff, let alone other people's [05:03] is there a file or command to just identify the ubuntu release you're running? [05:03] pwnguin, cat /etc/issue [05:03] I think you can also run 'lsb-release' [05:03] ah, i always go for something specific like debian_version [05:03]