[01:25] <Scorcher> is there a place that talks about the changes to the new ubuntu studio?
[01:26] <Scorcher> also how does the upgrade work iin april.  When I upgrade will I have to download studio later?
[01:34] <Scorcher> f
[01:44] <Scorcher> kompute you got any idea?
[01:59] <holstein> hey there Scorcher
[01:59] <holstein> AFAIK
[01:59] <holstein> you would just do an upgrade
[02:00] <holstein> from karmic to lucid
[02:00] <holstein> and whatever packages can be updated will be
[02:00] <holstein> which should include all you studio meta packages
[02:00] <holstein> your*
[02:00] <holstein> !vanilla
[02:01] <holstein> take a look at this link for the meta-pacakges for ubuntustudio
[02:15] <Scorcher> well I have studio 9.10 now
[02:17] <Scorcher> also, how do I get th -rt kernal back?  My ubuntu upgrades kernals eaxh time on comes out
[02:17] <Scorcher> I am assumeing I. Need to download again and select. It through grub
[02:23] <holstein> Scorcher: the only change really is grub2
[02:23] <holstein> !grub2
[02:23] <holstein> you can decide how to deal with the kernel order
[02:23] <holstein> i just set the default kernel to the RT one
[02:23] <holstein> in grub
[02:24] <rlameiro> hi holstein
[02:24] <holstein> and if i have grub display them
[02:24] <holstein> and if i get a kernel update
[02:24] <rlameiro> man you just missed the OSM live pd lesson
[02:24] <holstein> i just change the default in grub
[02:24] <holstein> rlameiro: I KNOW
[02:24] <holstein> im pissed
[02:24] <rlameiro> .....
[02:24] <rlameiro> i will make more
[02:24] <holstein> next time )
[02:24] <rlameiro> dont worry
[02:24] <holstein> :)
[02:25] <holstein> looking forward to it
[02:25] <holstein> are you recording a screencast or something?
[02:25] <rlameiro> was a live session
[02:25] <holstein> OK
[02:26] <rlameiro> i didnt record it
[02:26] <holstein> i see the mp3 of the stream
[02:26] <holstein> link
[02:26] <holstein> in OSM
[02:26] <rlameiro> but i will make some fater
[02:26] <rlameiro> grab it if you want
[02:26] <rlameiro> :D
[02:26] <rlameiro> well
[02:26] <holstein> i will
[02:26] <rlameiro> going to sleep no
[02:26] <holstein> nite
[02:26] <rlameiro> now*
[02:26] <rlameiro> cya
[05:48] <giacomo_c> hi
[05:53] <giacomo_c> anyone know of an easy way to go from a regular ubuntu install to ubuntu studio?  like, can i just change the repos and do a dist-upgrade?
[06:00] <holstein> hey giacomo_c
[06:00] <holstein> !vanilla
[06:00] <holstein> check that linke
[06:00] <holstein> link*
[06:01] <holstein> the directions for hardy work the same
[06:01] <holstein> you can also do sudo apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[06:01] <holstein> OR search ubuntustudio in synaptic
[06:01] <holstein> and read, and get an idea about what each studio package does
[06:02] <holstein> ALSO, if your planning on doing audio recording
[06:02] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[06:10] <giacomo_c> ah cool... i have all this software, like jack and some programs for recording, drum machines, etc, but i want to run them with a realtime kernel, and the last time i compiled my own, it ended up messing up my ubuntu install
[06:10] <holstein> good for you
[06:11] <holstein> i havnet compiled a kernel yet
[06:11] <holstein> sudo apt-get isntall linux-rt
[06:11] <holstein> that gets you the realtime kernel
[06:11] <holstein> !grub2
[06:11] <holstein> thats the newer grub info
[06:12] <giacomo_c> yeah, i mean, it was all kinda crazy to me, and i probably couldn't do it again without some sort of guide, but in the end, it messed up some crap with the offical repos, and i ended up just upgrading to karmic without recompiling a new kernel and just using the distro's
[06:13] <holstein> -- /join #opensourcemusicians
[06:13] <holstein> you might be interested in the podcast there
[06:13] <giacomo_c> i recently reinstalled grub, im not sure if i went with grub2 or not though... (i had to do a reinstall of xp and it removed grub)
[06:13] <giacomo_c> yeah, i was looking for a good irc room for linux musicians
[06:13] <holstein> OH
[06:14] <holstein> you might still have the old grub then
[06:14] <holstein> if it was an updated from jaunty
[06:14] <giacomo_c> i bet i do
[06:14] <holstein> which is fine
[06:14] <giacomo_c> legacy or whatev it was called i think
[06:15] <giacomo_c> well, what do you recommend for recording?  i've messed around with ardour some, and it seems like one of the best bets
[06:15] <holstein> yup
[06:16] <holstein> ardour is awesome
[06:16] <holstein> the proprietary renoise is nice too
[06:16] <holstein> ardour will get MIDI in 3.x
[06:17] <giacomo_c> ah, i've never messed with midi
[06:17] <giacomo_c> i have a keyboard that does midi, but right now, im just working with a laptop that i want to record via microphones
[06:17] <holstein> you have an interface?
[06:18] <holstein> or the internal card?
[06:18] <giacomo_c> haha, well, the laptop's internal card is busted, so i've been using an external usb thing that came with my plantronics headphones
[06:18] <holstein> sounds like a plan
[06:19] <giacomo_c> v0v, i do with what i can atm... im in the process of buying parts for building a new computer, and i want to get a nice sound card for that
[06:19] <holstein> how are you finding the quality?
[06:19] <holstein> the latency?
[06:20] <giacomo_c> well, with this standard kernel, not so great, but when i had the realtime kernel, latency was minimal
[06:20] <holstein> sounds like a nice solution
[06:21] <giacomo_c> do run ubuntu studio?
[06:22] <holstein> yup
[06:22] <giacomo_c> do you have any latency issues?
[06:22] <holstein> i added the studio metapackages to a vanilla install
[06:22] <holstein> nah
[06:22] <holstein> not really
[06:22] <holstein> i got a firewire interface
[06:22] <giacomo_c> well, i guess that depends mostly on your hardware :)
[06:23] <giacomo_c> cool
[06:23] <holstein> and the new FFADO software really hooked it up
[06:23] <holstein> it a presonus firepod
[06:24] <giacomo_c> is firewire better than usb2?
[06:25] <holstein> hmmm
[06:25] <holstein> im sure you could argue either way
[06:25] <holstein> BUT i was told
[06:26] <holstein> and i agree
[06:26] <giacomo_c> haha
[06:26] <holstein> that USB is not really made for realtime data transfer
[06:26] <holstein> big interrupted streams of data
[06:26] <giacomo_c> yeah
[06:27] <holstein> the guy that wrote ardour said somthing to that effect in an interview
[06:31] <giacomo_c> yeah, i had only seen raw transfer rates, but i guess the stream has more effect on something like music connectivity
[06:34] <giacomo_c> ok, so looking at this link, i really just need to install linux-rt
[06:34] <giacomo_c> and i won't have to worry about compiling my own kernel or any of that BS
[06:34] <holstein> nah
[06:34] <holstein> that RT kernel is the one im using
[06:36] <giacomo_c> alright, cool, i'm just gonna try that out first
[06:36] <giacomo_c> cause i don't really need the whole distro since i already have the software
[06:36] <holstein> yup
[06:36] <holstein> if you have jack and ardour
[06:36] <holstein> and thats all you need/want
[06:36] <giacomo_c> yeah, and 30 other programs :)
[06:37] <holstein> theres no reason to install the metapackage
[06:37] <giacomo_c> i'll have to sort through them, i don't remember when i installed them
[06:37] <holstein> they come from the same repos
[06:37] <giacomo_c> yeah
[06:37] <holstein> so they should stay up to date
[06:37] <holstein> along with everything else
[06:37] <giacomo_c> yeah
[06:38] <giacomo_c> i tried switching to debian a while back, but the repos for ubuntu are so much better, so i came back
[06:43] <giacomo_c> alright, realtime kernel installed
[06:43] <giacomo_c> its just a few version of the ubuntu kernel behind :(
[06:44] <holstein> i got a friend on the kernel team
[06:44] <giacomo_c> but it's probably going to be better than having to recompile the kernel everytime there's an update to it
[06:44] <giacomo_c> really?  cool
[06:44] <holstein> he said they're still not looking at the RT one
[06:44] <giacomo_c> for ubuntu?
[06:44] <holstein> yup
[06:44] <holstein> they just had kernel freeze for lucid
[06:45] <giacomo_c> ah, yeah, its not widely needed enough
[06:45] <holstein> thats what everyone is working on
[06:45] <holstein> the lucid desktop
[06:45] <holstein> getting all the bugs straightened out
[06:45] <giacomo_c> ah, what's happening with it?
[06:45] <holstein> im running it
[06:45] <holstein> on my EEEpc
[06:45] <giacomo_c> ha, cool, is it nice?
[06:46] <giacomo_c> i haven't really looked into the next release yet
[06:46] <holstein> still havent started running it on my studio box yet
[06:46] <holstein> i plan to when i get a minute
[06:46] <holstein> what i have heard...
[06:46] <holstein> thats going to be good for us is that
[06:46] <holstein> JACK got moved up
[06:46] <holstein> into the normal repo
[06:46] <giacomo_c> moved up?
[06:46] <giacomo_c> ahh
[06:47] <holstein> i guess it was in mutiverse
[06:47] <holstein> or whatever it was called
[06:47] <giacomo_c> yeah, well that won't mean a whole lot without releasing a side by side rt kernel
[06:47] <holstein> anyways
[06:47] <holstein> all the stuff that comes in ubuntu
[06:47] <holstein> without jack support default
[06:47] <giacomo_c> good
[06:47] <holstein> can and should have it compiled in there
[06:47] <holstein> out of the box
[06:50] <holstein> BUT, i have not had a chance to check that out
[06:50] <holstein> the desktop version is nice
[06:50] <holstein> i got a couple bugs
[06:50] <giacomo_c> oh yeah, im sure
[06:50] <holstein> nothing major
[06:50] <holstein> when i resume from standby
[06:50] <holstein> the screen goes away
[06:51] <holstein> after about 10 minutes or so
[06:51] <giacomo_c> i remember when i was trying out 6.10 before it's release, lots of stuff sucked... but then again, the distro wasn't nearly as awesome as it is now
[06:51] <giacomo_c> everything was broke :p
[06:51] <holstein> it looks slick
[06:51] <holstein> very polished
[06:51] <holstein> and the FUD is that it looks like OSX
[06:51] <holstein> and it does
[06:52] <holstein> the window buttons got moved to the left
[06:52] <giacomo_c> ah
[06:52] <giacomo_c> who doesn't have their window buttons on the left :)
[06:53] <holstein> ;)
[06:54] <giacomo_c> do they have any rundowns of the new features/screen shots?
[06:54] <giacomo_c> i like looking at screenshots :)
[06:55] <holstein> http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-alpha-3-screenshots-gallery-updated-with-new-wallpapertheme.html
[06:55] <holstein> thats pretty much the login screen
[06:56] <giacomo_c> i kinda like this new one they have
[06:56] <giacomo_c> i mean, for 9.10
[06:56] <giacomo_c> but i usually just make up my own out of some wallpapers i like, and general themes
[06:56] <holstein> http://www.thisweekinlinux.com/2010/03/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-alpha-3-screenshots/
[06:56] <holstein> theres a few dekstop shots
[06:59] <giacomo_c> yeah, i see they've finally got away from that human theme
[06:59] <holstein> no more brown
[06:59] <holstein> looks slick
[07:00] <giacomo_c> yeah
[07:00] <giacomo_c> is it that dust theme?
[07:01] <holstein> i think its called ambiance
[07:01] <holstein> i changed it ;)
[07:01] <holstein> and i forget what the default was
[07:01] <giacomo_c> ah
[07:02] <giacomo_c> the amount of customization in gnome has always been the most attractive thing about it
[07:02] <giacomo_c> though, i do like the *box windowmanagers too
[07:03] <holstein> oh yeah
[07:03] <holstein> you checked out LXDE?
[07:03] <holstein> openbox with a panel pretty much
[07:03] <holstein> and all of those are packaged up pretty well in ubuntu now
[07:04] <holstein> you can sudo apt-get install lubuntu
[07:04] <giacomo_c> yeah, i've read about lxde
[07:04] <giacomo_c> the only one i've ever really used on a regular basis is fluxbox though
[07:04] <holstein> lubuntu-desktop i think is the package
[07:04] <holstein> i ran mepis for a long time
[07:05] <holstein> with fluxbox
[07:05] <holstein> antiX
[13:59] <szal> afternoon folks
[14:02] <szal> possibly slightly offtopic, but I couldn't think of a better place to ask, on the fly
[14:04] <szal> I have a MIDI interface (1 in/2 out) to connect to the serial port, originally intended for use on an Amiga..  any chance to get this thing running on a PC, or should I invest €20 into something else?
[15:38] <holstein> szal: try it
[15:39] <holstein> get a live distro CD like pure:dyne or something
[15:39] <holstein> plug it in and see
[15:40] <holstein> puredyne is based on ubuntu, so if it works in there, it should work in ubuntu studio
[15:40] <szal> in fact, if it works there, it should work on any Linux distro..  I don't run *buntu ;)
[15:43] <holstein> hmmm
[15:43] <holstein> i would try and find an audio respin
[15:43] <holstein> something with jack in it
[15:44] <holstein> that is similar to your distro
[15:44] <holstein> OR
[15:44] <holstein> just go ahead and plug it in and try it
[15:45] <holstein> -- /join #opensourcemusicians
[15:45] <holstein> someone there might know
[16:04] <holstein> szal: did it work?
[16:07] <szal> holstein: bad timing now, that'll have to wait till later tonight or tomorrow ;)