[00:04] <Riddell> hmm, no yuiry or jontheechidna around, they're the ones who complained on that bug
[00:04] <Riddell> slangasek: I just confirmed the fix with the packages in scott's PPA
[00:04] <Riddell> but would be nice to have someone else confirm
[00:06] <Riddell> e-mailed them
[01:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yo
[01:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: well if you can test plymouth from scott's archive and let slangasek know that would be great
[01:14] <nixternal> anyone have a good pykde4 kpart example, and not the one in kdebindings
[01:15] <Riddell> I don't know of any
[01:15] <slangasek> JontheEchidna: if you test it and are still having problems, I'd like to dig into those more, as well; we don't think the bug we're currently working on should affect intel
[01:15] <verbalshadow> Riddell: i'm testing scott's plymouth shortly
[01:21] <Riddell> yuriy!
[01:21] <Riddell> verbalshadow: are you currently getting the freeze on plymouth problem?
[01:22] <Riddell> I need to sleep, yuriy if you can test plymouth from ppa:scott that would be great too
[01:22]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:25] <verbalshadow> Riddell: scott's plymouth fixed it here
[01:47] <yuriy> Riddell: will do. btw sys rq+alt+k works to kill it (for that system with 0 grub timeout)
[02:01] <yuriy> hmm not a problem on my intel machine either
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: k, will do
[02:03]  * JontheEchidna mumbles at the genious who thought it would be a good idea to have Windows 7 by default go into sleep mode even when it's plugged in
[02:04] <jonathan_> its all about power savings
[02:04] <jjesse> even when you are connected to power
[02:04] <jjesse> its about being green
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> IRC is not for the green :P
[02:06] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: Dell?
[02:07] <yuriy> they give you an option when you buy it to set up crazy power saving settings
[02:07] <jjesse> think i read its a default saving for power
[02:07] <ScottK> yuriy: If you want to save power, never turn it on.
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: Asus
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/asus-k60ij-rblx05/4505-3121_7-33776104.html <- that one, to be exact
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> funnily enough, running it anually would only cost $5 in power :P
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> Anyways, back to Kubuntu
[02:11] <ScottK> I never turn computers off without a needful reason (like I'm on battery and it's about out).
[02:12] <ScottK> Applying power to a piece of electronics is about the most stressful thing you can do to it.
[02:15] <ScottK> Getting KDE built on ia64 seems to be going well now that doko fixed Qt4.
[08:10] <shadeslayer> Have the iso's finished testing?
[08:20] <persia> shadeslayer: Just starting.  The crew in #ubuntu-testing is starting to push through a bunch of the candidate images.
[08:34] <hunger> What exactly is ureadahead supposed to do? So far I have not had a single boot where it did not spit lots of messages about it crashing onto the screen:-( Everything seems to work fine, even in spite of that.
[08:35] <persia> It attempts to read all the files you need from boot from the disk in the fastest way to read them from the disk so that it takes less time to boot.
[08:35]  * hunger grumbles that ubuntu-minimal depends on it, so it can not get removed without some fuss.
[08:35] <hunger> persia: Oh, thanks.
[08:36] <hunger> So I can ignore it crashing... maybe I should just turn on the graphical boot screen, then I will probably not notice it crashing anymore:-(
[08:36] <persia> man ureadahead to find out how to profile it.
[08:36] <persia> How did you "turn off" the graphical boot screen?
[08:38] <hunger> persia: Just remove "splash" from the kernel options in grub.cfg:-)
[08:38] <hunger> persia: Really straight forward to do for me since update-grub does not work anyway;-)
[09:12] <Mamarok> does somebody please follow this bug report closely? We are trying to sort this out: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230916
[09:12] <Mamarok> so far it looks like it only affects Gnome users and it could be related to the MySQL embedded version
[10:51] <Riddell> Mamarok: I wonder if it's to do with people not upgrading to the KDE 4.4 in that archive
[10:51] <Riddell> sorry but beta 1 has more critical bugs so that's taking up my time just now
[11:32] <Mamarok> Riddell: no problem, but it seems to only affect Gnome users and users of the embedded MySQL, it works with an external MySQL database
[11:39] <Riddell> ~identica dent Kubuntu Beta 1 Candidates Images need testing, join us in #kubuntu-devel to help
[11:39] <kubotu> status updated
[12:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ubiquity has no bugs in the latest iso build right?
[12:24] <shadeslayer> in the manual partitioning setup...
[12:27] <shadeslayer> ok im going to take the dive :)
[12:27] <shadeslayer> hopefully its fixed since the kubuntu devel ml doesnt cite anything
[12:34] <shadeslayer> hey im testing the lucid build
[12:35] <shadeslayer> amd64.... anything that needs testing apart from the one mentioned in the testing page
[12:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: different languages, different disk partition methods, OEM setup
[12:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok i can do the manual partition thing...
[12:36] <shadeslayer> cant do the OEM setup though...
[12:36] <shadeslayer> oh found a bug in quassel!
[12:36] <Riddell> oh and checking if KDM starts (certainly should do now)
[12:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why can't you do OEM setup?
[12:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it does!
[12:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i have only one machine...dont want to do a OEM setup.. :P
[12:37] <Riddell> it doesn't harm the machine
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can i customize the partitions via OEM?
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/uWvtYhG3.html
[12:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes the installer is exactly the same except it'll set up a user called OEM instead of your normal one
[12:39] <Riddell> then you reboot, run oem config
[12:39] <Riddell> then reboot again and you set up your normal user
[12:40] <Riddell> so you end up with exactly the same setup, just a couple of extra steps
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: arent the graphics supposed to be enabled with the opensource nvidia drivers?
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok then,i can test that :)
[12:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what graphics?
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: like desktop effects
[12:40] <shadeslayer> KDE desktop effects
[12:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know, mgraesslin might know that better than I
[12:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think i read somewhere that the opensource drivers were enabled by default
[12:41] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: ping
[12:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and confirmed this : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3795/51
[12:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdm still lacks smooth transitions without proper patches
[12:42] <Riddell> you confirmed a report that doesn't say what the problem is? :)
[12:42] <shadeslayer> lol.well the comment is correct
[12:42] <shadeslayer> After selection "Try Kubuntu without install" the system show some error message, but after that, the system normally start.
[12:42] <shadeslayer> I think it's only a warning message that it must be hidden.
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its basically the smooth transition issue...
[12:43] <Riddell> no smooth transition is bug 540177, we'll get that for beta 2, the important thing is that plymouth doesn't freeze now
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh yeah good work on the plymouth bug :)
[12:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: easy there
[12:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: amarok doesnt start first time
[12:44] <shadeslayer> i need to make a note of all these things :P
[12:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/L6z5KuL.html
[12:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm, yes, I get that too
[12:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok if you click on 'Ok' it starts....still a bug tho
[12:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: please report a bug and let me know the number
[12:45] <shadeslayer> sure... on lp or iso testing?
[12:46] <Riddell> Mamarok: oh Amarok bug master, do you know what that's about?  "Malformed URL" on starting Amarok
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok (you can then put the bug number into the report on iso testing)
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ah the icons are all jumbled up
[12:47] <Mamarok> Riddell: not really, no. Malforemd URL can be a lot of things, streams, Podcasts, Ampache, in a script
[12:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/ggHVkI.html
[12:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: wibble
[12:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: eh?
[12:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: means I've no idea what's going on there
[12:48] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:48] <Riddell> maybe agateau knows, he's into systray icons
[12:48] <Riddell> but he's away this week
[12:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well report a bug and attach that image to it, let me know the number, probably report on kdebase-workspace
[12:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its just not the systray icons,also quassels connect and disconnect icons
[12:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and shouldnt i use ubuntu-bug for amarok?
[12:50] <Riddell> yes can do
[12:50] <shadeslayer> i think that will us more info
[12:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know what the other mangled icon in the systray is there?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kbluetooth
[12:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and its just the 2 of them
[12:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the touchpad module works too
[12:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah the bug with mounting partitions is still there
[12:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh aye, please report that too and let me know the number
[12:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think thats reported... ill just put a comment in the previous bug report that its not fixed
[12:55]  * JontheEchidna rsyncs the iso
[12:55] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: zsync it :)
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/540232
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah looksie here : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41120599/amarok.jpg : more specifically the taskbar at the bottom :D
[13:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: two bugs in one!
[13:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yo!
[13:00] <Riddell> Mamarok: this happens on first start without any previously existing amarokrc config
[13:01] <shadeslayer> yeah only on first start
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> (It does continue on fine normally afterwards)
[13:01] <Riddell> yes, I wonder if it's just because the default music location isn't set, the next thing it does is ask if it can use ~/Music
[13:02] <Riddell> which is daft, it should just use it no questions asked, it's a sensible default
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/528907 :: the previous bug
[13:06] <shadeslayer> hmmm any other stuff before i install?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ah of course,speaker tests
[13:07] <shadeslayer> oh wow,the power devil works correctly now
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is this : http://imagebin.ca/view/0U2dXP76.html : the way its supposed to be?
[13:09] <markey> Riddell: here is a bug fix I made for Aurelien's systray patch:
[13:09] <markey> http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/commit/4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2
[13:09] <markey> fixes the mouse wheel issues
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and killing plasma doesnt help with the icons either
[13:10] <Mamarok> Riddell: you should ask the devs about that, I really don't know, haven't seen that in any bug reports so far
[13:12] <shadeslayer> microblogging widget works flawlessly :D
[13:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah... the removable storage icon in K > System was scrambled too
[13:14] <Riddell> markey: thanks
[13:15] <shadeslayer> any other stuff whose testing is needed?
[13:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just the install thanks
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh no problem :D
[13:15] <shadeslayer> just lemme file the bugs for the icons too
[13:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what package do i file them under?
[13:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdebase-workspace for lack of anything better (but could be a bug in X or anything really)
[13:18] <ScottK> shtylman: Would you please look at bug 538411 and see if the patch proposed there would affect us?
[13:21] <shtylman> ScottK: will do
[13:21] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: upgrades go fine via command line
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh do i run oem config as root or normal user?
[13:29] <shadeslayer> hmmm kpk hangs at 99 pc after enabling multiverse,universe,backports,and unsupported repos
[13:29] <shadeslayer> doesnt seem to be downloading anything
[13:30] <shadeslayer> yep... and when you try to manually refresh the cache it stops at about 10 pc
[13:47] <Riddell> beasties all over the place today..
[13:58] <shadeslayer> ugh... ugh...horribl
[13:58] <shadeslayer> +e
[13:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the daily image is not worth even beta
[13:59] <shadeslayer> OEM install : fail
[13:59] <shadeslayer> Direct Install : fail
[14:00] <shadeslayer> rebooting to live sytem lands me in kdm asking for password....i put ubuntu and the password is wrong
[14:01] <shadeslayer> oh and OEM install does start and goes till end but fails at upgrading the installer....
[14:01] <shadeslayer> skips manual partitioning
[14:02] <shadeslayer> installing again on my USB
[14:07] <ScottK> New ubiquity upload building now ...
[14:08] <freinhar1> hi!
[14:08] <freinhar1> installed the kubuntu netbook remix on a asus 1005pe (brand new). works pretty well besides FN-keys and wireless.
[14:10] <Riddell> freinhar1: from today's image?
[14:11] <freinhar1> one thing that bugs me: the "current application" widget in the panel is pretty annoying. open firefox with a pretty long <title>, then klick on knetworkmanager and you'll see that the systemtray including the icon you clicked on just moved a lot! that's no good usability. i can't imagine any non-techie to realize what's going on there.
[14:11] <freinhar1> no some days ago
[14:11] <Riddell> freinhar1: yeah, and sometimes the X to close the window doesn't show, upstream is aware of that
[14:11] <freinhar1> Riddell: it's not the X
[14:12] <freinhar1> Riddell: it's the changing size of the widget
[14:12] <freinhar1> Riddell: if the size changes the systemtray moves
[14:13] <freinhar1> and if your systemtray moves while you click on it, things get wierd!
[14:13] <Riddell> shtylman: bug 540266 annoying (but we can live with it for beta)
[14:16] <freinhar1> any ideas how i can find out which charset dolphin used to mount a drive?
[14:16] <freinhar1> 'mount' doesn't do the trick
[14:16] <freinhar1> old 9.10 ext3 harddrive in a usb enclosure
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> The "Getting involved" link in the slideshow doesn't work :(
[14:20] <soee> any idea why im getin this messages: http://pastebin.com/cjkmBc4k ?
[14:21] <Riddell> shtylman: bug 540275 is more serious
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> soee: Server stuff isn't exactly our speciality. I'd suggest asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server, if that exists
[14:22] <soee> JontheEchidna: ok thnx
[14:22] <Quintasan> neversfelde, Riddell: I have ne tarball, getting to building now
[14:22] <Quintasan> I'll do some translations meanwhile
[14:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: groovy
[14:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: translations in launchpad or upstream?
[14:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: upstream KDE
[14:23] <Riddell> soee: we only do KDE here
[14:23] <soee> Riddell: oh ok :)
[14:24] <Riddell> shtylman_: bug 540275 is more serious
[14:24] <soee> Riddell: so if u mensiond KDe, any updates soon ? 4.4.2 maybe ?
[14:27] <Riddell> soee: look at the schedule, we're kindae busy doing beta candidates testing
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i had to install via the live session installer
[14:27] <Riddell> ScottK: you know the font size we have set on netbook is rediculously small, does no good for my short-sightedness
[14:28] <freinhar1> why does lucid not use any utf8 locale as default?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> oh and dolphin still doesnt open folders.... hal permission denied
[14:28] <shadeslayer> any idea how to correct that?
[14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: live session installer rather than install only mode?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep and OEM doesnt ask for manual partitioning
[14:28] <ScottK> Riddell: If I can manage it, surely you can.
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: install only mode doesnt launch ubiquity
[14:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fooey
[14:29] <shtylman_> Riddell: great... I guess french can't install then :)
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and upgrade installer fails on all 3
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: simply hangs while downloading file 47
[14:30] <shadeslayer> hmmm and plymouth doesnt start after fresh install
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea on the hal problem?
[14:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not just now but we have the bug milestoned so we won't forget about it
[14:31] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:31] <shadeslayer> how do i access my data till then :P
[14:32] <jussi01> shadeslayer: cli :P
[14:32] <shadeslayer> jussi01: ><
[14:32] <shadeslayer> hmm what if i put lines in fstab...
[14:34] <freinhar1> got no locales on his lucid installation. BAD! ;)
[14:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: install only mode does start for me, although it takes some waiting at a blank screen for it to do so
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: weird... i gave it about 10 mins or so... didnt start here
[14:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if you can try that again then go to a terminal and see what's in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/installer/debug
[14:37] <freinhar1> shoudln't locale-gen do plenty of stuff when you call it?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmmm well ill try that later tonight... got to go and study a bit right now :)
[14:38] <Riddell> freinhar1: if you're working from an image which is some days old it's entirely possibly your bug has been fixed in the mean time, I recommend you rsync to today's image and try again
[14:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok thanks for the help
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no problem :)
[14:38] <freinhar1> Riddell: k
[14:40] <shtylman_> Riddell: whats the cutoff for fixing this?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: amazing slides! but i recommend decreasing the transition times
[14:41] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: thank nixternal for that
[14:42] <Riddell> shtylman_: yesterday :)
[14:43] <shadeslayer> nixternal: thanks for the slides ;)
[14:43] <shtylman_> Riddell: wonderful
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whats the link of the dolphin bug?
[14:45] <shtylman_> nixternal: now that I think about it ... were your slideshow changes merged?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: updated the bug report on the scrambled icons
[14:52] <Riddell> shtylman_: I didn't see any kubuntu merge in the slideshow changelog
[14:53] <Riddell> shtylman_: this keyboard error also happens on german so it's a general !english error which is quite nasty.  it doesn't happen using ubiquity gtk so it'll be something in your (otherwise very lovely) keyboard page
[14:55] <shtylman_> Riddell: noted... maybe something changed about how the language maps are created or stored... so I need to look at that
[14:56] <shtylman_> I will most certainly look at it tonight after work... assuming ev or cjwatson don't beat me to it
[15:04] <nixternal> shtylman_: not that I know of
[15:04] <shtylman_> nixternal: did you request a merge?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> good thing i backed all my git clones and svn checkouts
[15:05] <nixternal> not yet I didn't...I guess I will do that right now, as I guess people reviewed them
[15:05] <shtylman_> nixternal: yea... go ahead and rebase and then request the merge
[15:05] <shtylman_> ev fixed some typo in the old version .. dunno if that will apply to your version
[15:06] <shtylman_> as an aside... it may be too late... but I hope not
[15:11] <nixternal> shtylman_: merge requested
[15:12] <Riddell> whz is there no at sign in a German kezboard lazout_!
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> apparently no y's either :P
[15:15] <shtylman_> haha
[15:18] <shadeslayer> hmmm i cant resize my folderview widget too
[15:19] <shadeslayer> it jumps back and forth and then back to the original size
[15:26] <shadeslayer> oh btw when is the kubuntu plymouth theme expected?
[15:27] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: when we get the logo
[15:27] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: no timeframe yet
[15:28] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:28] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: btw are plymouth themes available on the net?
[15:29] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: that I have no idea about
[15:29] <shtylman_> they are in the sense that you can download the source
[15:30] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: hmm
[15:31] <Riddell> well virtuoso just ate my computers resources, so I'm definately minded to turn off strigi indexing for now
[15:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: hgnh, I'm not entirely sure we want this beta
[15:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's up now?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: same here
[15:34] <Quintasan> from missing files I'm guessin it's not going to be good
[15:34] <Quintasan> and not to mention that strange KoReport thingy
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ok brb
[15:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh KOffice beta?
[15:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: yup, I'm not entirley sure how I should make a separate package out of KoReport since it is not being compiled in the whole process
[15:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: KOffice beta won't go into lucid for sure, but would be nice to have packages in a PPA
[15:37] <Riddell> Quintasan: what do you mean not being compiled in  the whole process?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> weird... after installing nvidia drivers plymouth only opens in text mode
[15:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: at first KOffice was bulding like this: CMake complains that KoReport will not be built since KChart is not available
[15:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: and how the hell it is supposed to be available when it is in middle of building?
[15:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: this is with the new tar?
[15:39] <Quintasan> Riddell: testing new tar now
[15:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please file a bug then.  Text mode is known to be problematic, so we'd like to avoid that.
[15:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok...
[15:39] <shadeslayer> ill just reboot a few more times just to be sure
[15:39] <Quintasan> Riddell: now it got (hopefully) fixed but I still wonder if I can just copy that koreport from koffice tarball and make a package with it
[15:40] <Riddell> dpm: do you know where the translations for the gfxboot strings are?
[15:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: okay, so koreport is getting built now
[15:41] <Quintasan> awesome
[15:41] <Riddell> phew
[15:42] <nixternal> Quintasan: are you looking at a koffice snapshot?
[15:42] <Quintasan> nixternal: 2.1.81
[15:42] <dpm> Riddell, the UI part in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu and the help in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer-help (even if it's called d-i)
[15:45] <Riddell> dpm: hmm, seems Kubuntu Netbook is missing from there
[15:46] <dpm> is it?, I seem to remember having seen it somewhere, let me check
[15:47] <Riddell> dpm: I reported bug 540335
[15:47] <dpm> Riddell, ah, I see. I had seen Kubuntu, which is there, but you're right, Kubuntu Netbook is missing.
[15:48] <dpm> It's probably just a matter of marking it as translatable and updating the template
[15:49] <nixternal> Quintasan: did you get the updated tarball for koffice with the opengtl fix?
[15:49] <Quintasan> nixternal: beats me, I just reported the buildsystem error
[15:50] <nixternal> hehe, there is an updated package from about 2 hours ago
[15:50] <nixternal> or tarball rather
[15:50] <Quintasan> grabbed that
[15:50] <nixternal> groovy
[15:51] <Quintasan> though tons of files from *.install are not found
[15:51] <Riddell> dpm: I expect so, something to care about after beta
[15:51] <nixternal> whatever you do, don't put this beta in universe...going to put it in the ppa i am guessing?
[15:51] <Quintasan> yup
[15:51] <nixternal> yeah, because built outside of a package and it is a bit rough
[15:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: I take it you know about dh_install --list-missing ?
[15:52] <nixternal> dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing
[15:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh I know, saved my time many times, <3 hooks
[15:52]  * nixternal has an alias for it -> lm
[15:53] <Quintasan> lens corrections plugins is missing :/
[15:53] <nixternal> Quintasan: don't count on the pbuilder hooks, unless they have been fixed...they didn't catch some missing files ina  package that JontheEchidna and I worked on a little while back
[15:53] <Quintasan> oh, so I will run that too
[15:54] <Quintasan> how can I copy the files I modified in pbuilder to outer world so they won't get deleted?
[15:54] <nixternal> yeah...it got me when i built 2.1.1 as well...and for some reason, i thought list-missing would read the not-installed file and not complain about some files
[15:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: this happens every beta, especially with koffice (because it's so big), I'm afraid it's just a long job of updating all the .install files
[15:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: Okay, it's not like I can't manage inserting # in front of line in question :)
[15:55] <nixternal> so there will be some files listed in --list-missing, but double check them with debian/not-installed just to be sure
[15:56]  * Quintasan notes this down
[15:56] <Quintasan> I'd better do that each time or fix the hook
[15:56] <Riddell> that would mean hacking debhelper which isn't trivial
[15:57] <Riddell> and there's nothing standard about those not-installed files, it's only the Debian KDE team who use them as far as I know
[15:57] <nixternal> i like to build out of a pbuilder and do it that way..i use pbuilder once i have molded the package in to an uploadable entity
[15:59] <nixternal> why do people think we are in a string freeze?
[16:00] <nixternal> shit, we are in ui freeze though...and changing the slide would actually be changing the ui
[16:00] <shtylman_> nixternal: indeed
[16:00] <Riddell> nixternal: if only we had a docs person around to approve the UI freeze exception
[16:00] <nixternal> in this case, we don't have any screenshots of the install process, so it is fine
[16:01] <nixternal> approved
[16:01] <nixternal> :)
[16:01] <nixternal> Riddell: for stuff like this though, i am fairly certain it is fine to approve...stuff like changing a default app is the one that needs to looked over and done in a timely matter
[16:29] <nixternal> Riddell: bug 540348 - do what you gotta do mr. release :)
[16:29] <nixternal> or ScottK :)
[16:29] <nixternal> or nhandler :)
[16:29] <Riddell> nixternal: it'll need to wait until after beta 1
[16:30] <ScottK> nixternal: Does it need any netbook specific content?  I could help with that later in the week.
[16:30] <ScottK> I'm done for today on testing, just picked up the youngest from school with a fever.
[16:36] <nixternal> ScottK: i need to do the netbook content, though i am not sure how much it is needed
[16:36] <nixternal> i think it is fairly generic enough
[16:37] <Riddell> dpm: ubiquity-kde.desktop doesn't get translated, there's no ubiquity.mo file in any language pack (which is what the gettext key points to)
[16:40]  * Riddell crys at the size of kubuntu milestoned bugs http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9
[16:41] <Riddell> still 19 is better than the foundations team with their 120 high priority ones :)
[16:42] <dpm> Riddell, then it should be marked for translation (if it's not already), and its translation should appear in the ubiquity-desktop package -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-desktop/ I'm not too sure how these translations are handled in ubiquity (they are only used for the Live session), but we specify the domain as 'ubiquity-desktop'
[16:46] <nixternal> Riddell: feel free to assign some of those bugs to me if you need...i can work on them later today
[16:55] <Riddell> nixternal: mostly it's ISO and upgrade testing we need today
[16:55] <nixternal> k, I will fire up qemu and test away then
[16:56] <Riddell> nixternal: oh and we need the upgrade process documented
[16:56] <Riddell> so if you fancy taking lots of screenshots
[16:56] <Riddell> I can't remember where we document it though, somewhere on help.ubuntu.com I think
[16:57] <ScottK> I bet claydoh knows.
[16:59] <nixternal> yeah, I know where it is, and so does claydoh :)
[16:59] <nixternal> the process is pretty much the same, just change Jaunty->Karmic to Karmic->Lucid
[16:59] <nixternal> I just did the process 2 or 3 days ago on another machine
[17:05] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu is the one, Lucid page needing made and all the screenshots need retaken
[17:09] <daskreech> Are we supporting hardy _> Lucid?
[17:10] <Riddell> no
[17:10] <daskreech> ok
[17:11] <Riddell> well in theory no, in practice there will be ubuntu desktop users who have KDE installed and that upgrade shouldn't break
[17:11] <shtylman_> Riddell: is hardy -> lucid supported for ubuntu ?
[17:11] <EagleScreen> yes
[17:12] <Riddell> for ubuntu desktop yes
[17:12] <EagleScreen> Ubuntu supports upgrades from LTS to LTS
[17:12] <shtylman_> gotcha
[17:15] <shtylman_> EagleScreen: but eventually something will have to give? no? ... how far back will they support upgrades?
[17:15] <Riddell> only one version to the next and LTS to LTS
[17:16] <EagleScreen> in practice you could upgrade frm any to any, using apt or aptitude tools
[17:16] <shtylman_> I see
[17:16] <Riddell> in practice using apt is likely to break and nobody will feel any sympathy for you
[17:17] <shtylman_> haha
[17:17] <jussi01> skype is evil.... or maybe its lucid...
[17:18] <EagleScreen> in practise i have been upgrade failures with your upgrade tools, that weren't produced with aptitude upgrade
[17:18] <Riddell> humbug
[17:18] <EagleScreen> aptitude upgrade may fail, but your Ubuntu or Kubuntu upgrades may fail too
[17:18] <shtylman_> indeed
[17:19] <shtylman_> I have a friend who has never upgraded with the tools sucessfully
[17:19] <shtylman_> I never use the tools... I clean install
[17:20] <EagleScreen> at least 50% of upgrades fails in upgrade some package
[17:20] <EagleScreen> that is usually a packager's fault
[17:24] <lex79> Riddell: did you poke sandsmark for the patch?
[17:25] <Riddell> lex79: yes we got the patch, someone applied it too
[17:25] <lex79> Riddell: for phonon 4.4.0 ?
[17:25] <Riddell> yes.  JontheEchidna maybe?
[17:25] <Riddell> check bzr anyway
[17:26] <lex79> uhm, no patch in bzr
[17:26] <Riddell> check irc logs then?
[17:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna
[17:27] <Riddell> yay, Qt w/ latest phonon patch built
[17:28] <Riddell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/15/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[17:30] <lex79> ok... JontheEchidna: can you do bzr add  90_ia64_opts.diff and kubuntu_12_fix_stack_protector.diff, they are in series but not in debian/patches/
[17:31] <lex79> btw, I think "latest phonon patch" is for phonon 4.3.80
[17:31] <Riddell> lex79: that irc log points to the location of the 4.4.0 patch
[17:32] <lex79> good then :)
[17:37] <dpm> Riddell, a translator was asking me about https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement He couldn't find some of the templates upstream and was wondering if some of those where Kubuntu-specific ones or were simply out of date
[17:37] <dpm> would you happen to know that?
[17:48] <Riddell> dpm: not off the top of my head. there's nothing we add there in terms of strings but upstream changes quite a bit
[17:48] <Riddell> give me a minute and I'll look
[17:48] <dpm> brilliant, thanks
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> confirmation that upstream Plasma is really just proclaiming openSUSE superiority on high: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/03/17/the-kde-plasma-reference/
[17:52] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: grates slightly since we picked up plasma netbook first, but it's not like we have any easy way of doing daily package builds never mind daily package+CD builds
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> I suppose, but at least they could say it as it is, instead of hiding behind the silly excuse of it being a reference distro
[17:53] <Riddell> yeah
[17:55] <EagleScreen> OpenSuse rocks :P
[17:56] <Riddell> if you like green
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> I like green. :x
[17:57] <shtylman_> I hate rpm packages
[17:57] <shtylman_> :)
[17:57] <EagleScreen> me too, and I like chameleons
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> Though I found the wallpaper for their most recent release to be putrid, tbh
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> a total shame to the color green
[17:59] <Riddell> dpm: the three .pot files generated are knetworkmanager.pot  libknetworkmanager.pot  plasma_applet_networkmanagement.pot
[17:59] <Riddell> dpm: so the other ones must all be old and obsolete I think
[18:05] <dpm> Riddell, ok, great thanks. I'll take care of obliterating them then
[18:07] <markey> this kernel update that came today in backports (for Karmic), anyone know what it does?
[18:08] <Riddell> karmic-changes should know
[18:08] <markey> ah, thx
[19:44] <Zorael> I'm testing the networking widget on my lucid machine, but I can't install the -pptp package.
[19:44] <Zorael> plasma-widget-networkmanagement-pptp: Depends: knm-runtime (= 0.9~svn1102346-0ubuntu1~ppa2) but 0.9~svn1102346-0ubuntu1~ppa4 is installed.
[19:45] <ScottK> Looks like it needs to be rebuilt.
[19:51] <apachelogger> re
[19:53]  * ScottK looks around for some more letters to hand apachelogger.
[19:53] <apachelogger> Hello my friends and happy st. paddys day :D
[19:53] <apachelogger> imagine me being all green
[19:54] <apachelogger> since I do not like IRC colors, also imagine that what I am writing is green :P
[20:02] <jussi01> apachelogger: sorry, you are purple....
[20:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:02] <apachelogger> purple is so 2009
[20:02]  * apachelogger aint doesnt wanna be purple -.-
[20:03]  * apachelogger writes blog post of epic poportions
[20:03] <jussi01> lol
[20:03] <apachelogger> it is funny that someone like me who constantly dismisses posts as TLDR always writes them long beasties himself :P
[20:04] <ScottK> That's because you're always more interesting to yourself than other people are ....
[20:05] <apachelogger> sounds like a decent explanation :)
[20:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: KDE upstream is interested in .deb packaging for OBS for http://community.kde.org/Plasma_Netbook_Reference_Platform.  They are going to have weekly tarball snapshots.  I was thinking maybe your Neon stuff might be suitable to handle pushing stuff there and to a PPA, so our users can play too.
[20:09] <ScottK> I know that's a lot more complex.
[20:09] <apachelogger> neon could freaking build $world if someone would care to implement it :P
[20:09] <apachelogger> and refactor neon on that way ;)
[20:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: the thing with snapshots is that they only work as long as they maintain buildability with a stable base version of its dependencies
[20:10] <apachelogger> most importantly kdelibs
[20:10] <ScottK> I think they're snapshotting all of KDE core for this.
[20:11] <apachelogger> there is already KDE snapshotting being done
[20:11] <apachelogger> so what you end up with is maintaining not only the netbook package
[20:11] <apachelogger> but its dependencies
[20:11] <apachelogger> and in turn the depdencies of the dependencies
[20:12] <apachelogger> so yes, one could use neon for building snapshot packages of plasma-netbook
[20:12] <apachelogger> I even implemented a function to obtain prepacked tarballs from ftp IIRC
[20:13] <apachelogger> BUT one would need to maintain that thingyness as a coherent stack
[20:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: You need to reinvigorate your Neon proto-minion.
[20:14] <ScottK> You've been slacking on minions.
[20:14]  * apachelogger is slacking on everything
[20:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: could you please relaunch neon at some point? :P
[20:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: Nightrose even got Quintasan to look at it ;)
[20:15] <apachelogger> the thing with neon is that it is uber complex code that I insane as I was designed in a manner that an occational hacker could implement support for other distributions
[20:16] <apachelogger> this of course with the prices of uber abstract internals :)
[20:16] <thopiekar> hi .I'm a member of the Canola project and atm almost the only person working on Canola.. I need more people here at #canola to improve the code.. the player is great and many plugins are available.. please help. the developters that where working on it in the past were paied to work on it - now they have other priorities so - we need you!
[20:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: google canola
[20:16] <kubotu> Results for canola: 1. Canola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola | 2. Canola 2 Beta: http://openbossa.indt.org/ | 3. Canola Oil: http://www.ithyroid.com/canola_oil.htm
[20:18] <apachelogger> thopiekar: that seems a bit off topic
[20:18] <apachelogger> "a bit" :P
[20:19] <thopiekar> apachelogger: thats the application: http://openbossa.indt.org/
[20:19] <thopiekar> :)
[20:19] <genii> apachelogger: Apologies, I thought he might get more takers in here than in #kubuntu
[20:19] <Sput> apachelogger: just port Portage to create .deb :)
[20:19] <apachelogger> thopiekar: still off topic :P
[20:19] <thopiekar> you can also take a look at youtube for some videos
[20:19] <apachelogger> genii: it is also off topic in #kubuntu :P
[20:19] <Sput> you'd get all the dependency handling and configuring/compilation stuff for free.
[20:20] <genii> apachelogger: Would #ubuntu-motu be appropriate?
[20:20] <ScottK> genii: No.
[20:20] <apachelogger> Sput: it is the build dependencies that are a problem
[20:20] <apachelogger> dpkg also detects deps :P
[20:20] <apachelogger> genii: no
[20:20]  * genii runs!
[20:21] <apachelogger> genii: does any buntu even run on them nokia devices <900?
[20:21] <Sput> apachelogger: ebuilds contain all necessary information to build packages, including build deps, you could make neon read those :D
[20:21] <apachelogger> fail of implication
[20:21] <apachelogger> Sput: neon does that too
[20:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: IIRC armel for Jaunty would run on N810.
[20:22] <apachelogger> Sput: but someone needs to maintain the freakin list :P
[20:22] <ScottK> No way Lucid will though.
[20:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: did kde build on armel jaunty?
[20:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[20:23] <apachelogger> less offtopic
[20:23] <apachelogger> still offtopic :P
[20:23] <ScottK> For arm stuff you need some device specific kernel crap though.
[20:23] <ScottK> persia knows all about it.
[20:23] <apachelogger> oh my
[21:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I get to that crap after I finish some other more important things like over 9000 essays to write
[21:03]  * ScottK thinks apachelogger should counsel his minion about priorities.
[21:04] <Quintasan> I ain't his minion. It's the other way around actually
[21:04] <ScottK> Hmmmm.  Interesting turn of events.
[21:05] <Quintasan> I do belive that complaining will not help him anyways :).
[21:05] <apachelogger> lda RQuintasan 0
[21:05] <apachelogger> rightly so
[21:06]  * apachelogger is rather out of caring for stuff like nightly builds
[21:06] <Quintasan> [22:06] <apachelogger> lda RQuintasan 0    <---- Makes perfect sense as usual apachelogger ;>
[21:07] <apachelogger> you shouldn be able to talk, I just made you 0 :P
[21:07] <Quintasan> I'm a const variable
[21:07] <Quintasan> const int Quintasan = 666;
[21:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I doubt my assembler will care much about your constness :P
[21:08] <apachelogger> in fact, I know that it will not
[21:08] <apachelogger> because it is a stupid arse bastard as some friend put it the other day
[21:08] <Quintasan> OBJECTION!
[21:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger, you do not have any assembly skills
[21:09] <Quintasan> :P
[21:09]  * Quintasan played too much Ace Attoreny
[21:09] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^^
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:10]  * JontheEchidna used teensy bits of ARM9 assembly to write values to addresses in his DS haxX0ring days
[21:10] <apachelogger> Language          Files       Code    Comment  Comment %      Blank      Total
[21:10] <apachelogger> ----------------  -----  ---------  ---------  ---------  ---------  ---------
[21:10] <apachelogger> assembler             8        140         25      15.2%         33        198
[21:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I beg to differ :P
[21:11] <Quintasan> Source or it did not happen.
[21:11] <Quintasan> :P
[21:11] <Quintasan> I have to run Ladies and Gentleman, enjoy your morning/middle of the day/evening/whatever.
[21:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you can has the binaries :P
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> ha, qt-language-selector is crashing because the commented out this function in the backend and replaced it...
[21:11]  * Quintasan got one pretty awesome test from knowledge of Middle Ages
[21:11] <apachelogger> source is no go publishing until next week :P
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> s/the/they
[21:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and people ask me why one would choose cpp over python
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> undetectable issues until runtime ftw \o/
[21:13] <apachelogger> That would be pretty detectable IMHO
[21:13] <apachelogger> if one would/could run python to follow through all interfaces and see if they go to a dead end
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> lack of tests ftl
[21:13] <Quintasan> if ( usingPython == true) GTFO(); else cout << "Good boy";
[21:14] <apachelogger> that is rather bad code :P
[21:14]  * apachelogger goes implementing a stream chipher in asm
[21:14] <Quintasan> Even mentioning Python in C++ code is a bad idea
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> if (!usingKDebug == true) {
[21:14] <JontheEchidna>      kDebug() << "Use kDebug()! kthx";
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> }
[21:15] <Quintasan> last thing
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> hmmz, no need for == true
[21:15] <Quintasan> #define TRUE FALSE
[21:15] <Quintasan> :P
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> D:
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> would I core-dev mind sponsoring this patch? http://pastebin.com/qXgghWia
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> to language-selector bzr
[21:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How's the application coming?
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> bah, forgot to put myself on the wiki for the next meeting
[21:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Debdiff me or I'm probably too lazy to write the changelog and stuff.
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> ah, forgot that language-selector keeps its packaging in bzr too
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/7myCi5eL
[21:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's not entirely clear to me what to do with that.  My Riddell has put stuff in language-selector before.
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> your riddell has what?
[21:28] <Riddell> commit to lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/ and upload to the archive presumably
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> It's not anything to break beta freeze over, but I would like it comitted
[21:28] <Sput> you have your own Riddell?
[21:29] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  0.5.2 I presume?
[21:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We can upload it and then once freeze is over it'll go in.
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> ah, ok
[21:29]  * ScottK gives it a try.
[21:30] <Riddell> ScottK: I presume so too
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: btw, I'm considering doing lang-selector as a SoC project
[21:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ooh, nice.  although is it a full summer project?
[21:30] <ScottK> Crap.  I need to go pick up a kid from scholl.
[21:30] <ScottK> Will get to it a bit later.
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: This is what I've come up with so far that could be done; http://pastebin.com/8BLCJgB1
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I just found a packaging bug with the gnome frontend (missing a dep on python-glade2)
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> so I guess it's a good thing you can't upload till you get back :)
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I imagine that I would have to port the core and gnome ui to polkit to be able to get it to run as a normal user
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> as well as the kde ui
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> right now it looks like the gnome ui re-launches itself as root when it needs to change system stuff
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: updated patch http://pastebin.com/4ARUygQx
[21:49] <sithlord48> hey how goes the beta cd ?
[22:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it should probably also do stuff like run kimpanel for you (although since kimpanel apparantly doesn't work with lucid ibus maybe it needs to run something else)
[22:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: could be a kcontrol module
[22:01] <Riddell> sithlord48: waiting on some fixes to go in and rebuilt images
[22:02] <sithlord48> shoot me a pm when its done i'll give it a whril.. does Virtual machine data count?
[22:02] <Riddell> yes VMs are useful to test in
[22:02] <Riddell> sithlord48: we need upgrade testing too, that can be done any time
[22:05] <sithlord48> riddell, im running 9.10 w/ kde 4.4.1 ... would u perfer stock...
[22:09] <Riddell> sithlord48: no we need that tested too
[22:09] <Riddell> sithlord48: alt-f2  update-notifier-kde -d
[22:10] <sithlord48> meh ......
[22:10] <sithlord48> should i expect breakage . or mostly smooth?
[22:27] <Riddell> sithlord48: should be smooth
[22:27] <sithlord48> ok , well i guess i will give it a shot when im done w/ the project im working in .. perhaps by tomarrow
[22:28] <nixternal> oh my back
[23:11] <Riddell> dantti: FYI, on my brainstormed ideas for ubuntu summer of code projects I put down improvements to kpackagekit UI, obviously if anyone does apply for that I'll run it by you first
[23:12] <dantti> Riddell: nice :) thanks,
[23:12] <daskreech> dantti: please get rid of the ridiculous you have updated pop up dialog :)
[23:13] <dantti> daskreech: hmm which one?
[23:13] <daskreech> when you change the sources list or check for any updates it does the equivalent of an apt-get update and then pops up a dialog in the screen to say you have been updated
[23:14] <daskreech> useless, easy to lose and aggravating
[23:14] <dantti> hmm I never saw that...
[23:14] <dantti> can you print screen that?
[23:16] <Riddell> dantti: we actually patch that part in Kubuntu
[23:16] <Riddell> daskreech: rather ^^
[23:17] <dantti> Riddell: hmm so that is a kubuntu patch?
[23:19] <Riddell> The Settings page is yes
[23:19] <Riddell> it's just a button which launches software-properties-kde in Kubuntu
[23:19] <Riddell> because packagekit doesn't do a bunch of things done in there
[23:21] <dantti> Riddell: right... now it only allows you to enable/disable it...
[23:21] <Riddell> dantti: I don't follow?
[23:22] <dantti> i tried to propose something there but looks like that seting software origins is a thing that changes a lot between distros...
[23:22] <dantti> Riddell: I said PK only lets you enable/disable sources...
[23:22] <Riddell> right
[23:23] <daskreech> Riddell: Ah Well a) it's useless and b) I can't get it now cause I'm getting an error thrown on update