[09:06] <Billynkid> I'd like to form the #ubuntu-ug channel for the Ubuntu Uganda LoCo Team
[09:31] <DJones> Billynkid: Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto Thats got the information on how to best set up a team, also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ#How do I set up a LoCo team? and the links on that.  That should help you get started with setting up a team
[09:31] <Billynkid> I think I am on the right track, configuring the IRC channel now
[09:31] <Billynkid> Thanks though
[09:32] <DJones> There should be a few of the core channel ops around in a bit that can give you some advice or suggestions as well
[09:32] <Billynkid> Great
[09:40] <Billynkid> I think the #ubuntu-ug channel is now up
[09:48] <persia> Your flags are set fairly agressively, since I can't even see the operators list.s  Not sure if you might like something a little less restrictive.
[09:48] <rww> persia: I can see the operator list just fine =\
[09:49] <Billynkid> Try again I had the channel locked for a sec
[09:50] <persia> Sorry.  Apparently that was a race condition.  Looks standard to me.  Nice job.
[09:50] <Billynkid> thx rww
[10:16] <jussi01> persia: DJones rww: this is a good page to give out for confguring channels: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels
[10:17] <persia> That is a nice reference
[10:18] <persia> although I'll admit I didn't use commands of that form when I created my last channel (although the result is similar)
[10:19] <rww> speaking of useful wiki pages, what ended up happening with that "new operator guide" thing?
[10:21] <bazhang> technical guidelines? or the the new applicants one
[10:21] <rww> bazhang: technical
[10:21] <persia> technical guidelines is the one I'd like to see
[10:21] <bazhang> same
[10:21] <rww> ah, it got discussed at the last IRCC meeting
[10:22] <rww> ( http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/13/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:09 )
[10:22] <persia> Right.
[10:23] <rww> nhandler: Let me know when you get started on those technical guidelines for ops, I'd be happy to contribute in any way I can :)
[10:23] <erUSUL> rww: 1) install irssi 2) install autobleh 3) profit
[10:23] <erUSUL> ;P
[10:24] <bazhang> :/
[10:25] <rww> erUSUL: I'm a firm believer in teaching the difficult manual way before the easy way ;P
[10:25] <erUSUL> so be it
[10:26] <erUSUL> ;)
[10:26] <jussi01> not everyone uses or wants to use irssi
[10:26] <jussi01> I certainly dont
[10:26] <bazhang> nor do I
[10:27]  * erUSUL thought the ;P was enough ...
[10:27] <erUSUL> rww: <sarcasm> 1) install irssi 2) install autobleh 3) profit </sarcasm>
[10:28] <jussi01> rww: Ill keep it in mind - you are more than welcome to create a wiki page with your thoughts/outline on it. I see no reason the ircc only has to do it. we can then merge that wiki page into where ever we like.
[10:28] <rww> Personally, I think we should write the guide for Empathy, to demonstrate how usable it is for IRC.
[10:28] <m4v> what about being client neutral?
[10:28]  * jussi01 thinks it should be client neutral
[10:29]  * rww agrees
[10:29] <jussi01> m4v: *g*
[10:29] <m4v> :P
[10:29]  * jussi01 is very appreciative of any help that is given here, the ircc has a million things right now so extra hands are very welcome. 
[10:31] <bazhang> m4v, thanks for the ubottu feature!
[10:31] <bazhang> err new
[10:35] <m4v> bazhang: :)
[11:12] <nhandler> rww: I've started working on the guide already. My plan was to get a very, very, rough draft prepared and then send an email to the list requesting people look it over and make changes to it.
[11:12] <rww> nhandler: sounds good :)
[11:12] <nhandler> I should have something to send out in the next few days
[15:02] <DJones> I'm beginning to wonder if there should be a factoid !ola is En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es-offtopic. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es-offtopic" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. (Assuming that there is an es-offtopi channel, rather than sending people to -es when it looks like a lot of them just want general chat in spanish
[15:03] <erUSUL> just propose it ;) not in my hands
[15:03] <m4v> "ola" is horrible Spanish, don't encourage it :(
[15:04] <Pici> olaaaa
[15:04] <Pici> google is translating it as 'wave'
[15:04] <m4v> yeah
[15:04] <m4v> ola = wave, hola= hello
[15:08] <erUSUL> m4v: so after testing it in #ubuntu-es the "comment on this ban" feature was ported to ubottu? congrats ;P
[15:08] <m4v> nope
[15:10] <m4v> erUSUL: that's niko's work.
[15:10] <erUSUL> ahh ok
[15:10] <niko> oh ? i'm not aware about that
[15:11] <m4v> 'cause erUSUL mixed two plugins
[15:11] <erUSUL> :P
[15:15] <m4v> any in case.. I'm not terrible opposed to bankick anyone that says 'ola'. how to write 'hola' is learned in the first day of school :P
[15:16] <erUSUL> m4v: mobile phone texting is doing a lot of damage in these kids
[15:16] <DJones> m4v: I guess there'd be a precident anyway with !hi instead of !hello :)
[15:17] <arand> Is there any way to view the unimplemented proposed factoids for ubottu?
[15:17] <erUSUL> arand: !?
[15:18] <arand> erUSUL: or are they not saved, just mentioned in #ubuntu-ops?
[15:19] <Pici> arand: No, theres no 'incoming' queue :/
[15:19] <erUSUL> arand: the later
[15:19] <erUSUL> arand: easy for edits to "fall through the cracks" ;)
[15:20] <Pici> Its on my 'todo' list.
[15:20] <Pici> Right below 'rewrite the factoid plugin'
[15:22] <arand> dang, and there's no easy way to search the archives I assume?
[15:22] <arand> Well, not as much, but it was kind of deferred until wikipage, and now I'd like to have a look at it and change the link (since i remember the wording as being quite ok)...
[15:23] <arand> yay!, but untill then *grumble :)
[15:28] <m4v> Pici: did you started any work about it?
[15:28] <m4v> start*
[15:28] <Pici> m4v: I wrote a proof-of-concept with django a long while ago.
[15:29] <Pici> Its alot easier than the bantracker ;)
[15:29] <m4v> is code anywhere for take a look?
[15:30] <m4v> err, "is the code anywhere?"
[15:30] <Pici> um..
[15:30] <Pici> Its probably on my laptop
[15:30] <m4v> I'm having lag, writing from a remote shell
[15:38] <jussi01> Pici: you really should commit that code...
[15:38] <miha> we from #ubuntu-si wonder if we ever get offical ubuntu logging for channel, or should we stick to our own bots? we asked some 2 months ago
[15:39] <miha> we got ubot right away
[15:39] <jussi01> miha: who did you ask?
[15:39] <miha> napsy mailed supposedly right email address
[15:40] <miha> so who should we mail?
[15:42] <miha> hey napsy
[15:42] <napsy> :)
[15:42] <miha> napsy remember who you mailed about logging?
[15:43] <napsy> that was on #ubuntu-eu I think
[15:43] <erUSUL> jussi01: they've asked here and where redirected to #ubuntu-eu iirc
[15:44] <Pici> jussi01: Its not really production ready, its was just me playing around with django.
[15:45] <miha> pici: call it release candidate, then issue 3 service packs forit :D
[15:45] <Pici> :P
[15:45] <erUSUL> jussi01: it was jpds
[15:45] <napsy> To whom do I have to speak to get logging services to our ubuntu loco channel?
[15:46] <Pici> napsy: Send an email to rt@ubuntu.com with the request
[15:46] <m4v> Pici: I did like to take a look, I started a factoid plugin from scratch for u-es, mostly cause I wanted a plugin that's localizable and with undo/redo features. Maybe I can help out
[15:46] <Pici> no, wait.
[15:46] <Pici> napsy: don't do that, I'm confused.
[15:47] <miha> Pici relax, take it easy
[15:47] <jpds> Hi.
[15:47] <Pici> napsy: I *think* that it needs to go to admin@ubuntu-eu.org, but let me check my records.
[15:48] <napsy> ok, please
[15:48] <jpds> What Pici says.
[15:48] <Pici> jpds: That sounds correct?
[15:48] <jpds> It is correct.
[15:48] <Pici> napsy: okay, admin@ubuntu-eu.org it is then
[15:49] <napsy> ok thanks I'll leave a message there
[15:51] <miha> napsy you should CC it to Pici and jpds, perhaps that will scare them into being faster :D
[15:51] <Pici> Nah, they probably don't even know who we are.
[15:52] <miha> Pici perhaps you have some official mail? :D
[15:52] <miha> @canonical.com ? :D
[15:52] <Pici> I'm not a canonical employee ;)
[15:52] <miha> ok, me neither
[15:52] <miha> :D
[15:52] <Pici> I have bnrubin [at] ubuntu.com though
[15:52] <miha> Pici sounds official enough! :D
[15:52] <Pici> If you want to you can copy that address.
[15:57] <jpds> Hmm, blackmail isn't nice.
[15:58] <miha> jpds that's called lobbying and it's perfectly legal!
[15:58] <miha> :D
[15:58] <miha> we dont blackmail anyone. we just talk to them about our views on the situation?! :D
[15:59] <miha> (if you dont pay $$$$ you will...)
[15:59] <miha> :D
[15:59] <miha> sorry, offtopic
[16:09] <arand> Hmm, any opinions on pae is <reply> To use more than ~3.2GB RAM on a 32bit system you can install the packages « linux-image-generic-pae » and « linux-headers-generic-pae » (9.10 and later). See help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE for more info.    ?? Especially if the wiki is okay for now?
[16:10] <arand> ↑ Should have an https:// prepended
[18:10] <nhaines> arand: pae should warn that this slows down performance?
[18:12] <arand> nhaines: does it?
[18:36] <nhaines> yes, quite severely.
[18:37] <nhaines> arand: I heard around 30% performance decrease, but I can't assert that.  I know it is a pretty big hit.
[18:38] <arand> nhaines: I was looking at http://people.redhat.com/nmurray/RHEL-2.1-VM-whitepaper.pdf which claims 1%
[18:39] <nhaines> arand: that would be a much more acceptable performance decrease, in general.  :)
[18:39] <nhaines> I should take a look too...
[18:40] <arand> nhaines: There seems to be be very little writing about it in general... I wonder if phoronix has something...
[18:41] <arand> nhaines: Ah there we go: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_32_pae&num=1
[18:43] <arand> Seems like the performance drop is completely negliable according to that...
[18:44] <nhaines> Okay, well, we can also always just update the wiki page later if we find otherwise.  :)
[18:47] <arand> I think I'm going to remove the performance bit completely for now..
[18:52] <nhaines> Yes, may as well.