=== plars` is now known as plars === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum === jussi01 is now known as o1 === o1 is now known as jussi01 [12:58] ~o~ [13:00] \O [13:00] O/ [13:05] hggdh, jjohansen fyi, meeting is 14:00 UTC, one hour. [13:05] yeah, I figured that after no one else showed up [13:06] crazy U.S. dst messes everything up [13:06] oh boy, not again :-( [13:11] is there some way we can fix the fridge so it'd stop it getting messed up with the clock changes [13:16] I guess the easiest way would be to cancel daylight [13:19] * hggdh would fully support it [13:19] * zul waves his fist at the farmers [13:19] stupid cows [13:57] o/ [13:57] ~0~ [13:58] o/ [13:59] \o [14:00] /o [14:00] OK, let's get started [14:00] #startmeeting [14:00] Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is ttx. [14:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:00] Today's lucky scribe is: kirkland [14:00] Agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [14:01] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [14:01] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [14:01] * kirkland strts typng lk a crt rprtr [14:01] * Mathiaz to discuss with cjwatson about ubuntu-server upload team [14:01] ttx: nothing new on this front [14:01] \O [14:01] yo [14:01] ttx: persia actually offered some help on this topic [14:02] mathiaz: ok, I'll reschedult it for next week ? [14:02] ttx: yes - hopefully I'll get some time by then [14:02] [ACTION] mathiaz to discuss with cjwatson about ubuntu-server upload team [14:02] ACTION received: mathiaz to discuss with cjwatson about ubuntu-server upload team [14:02] * hggdh to remove mysql5.0 and question atlas in the build regression test rig [14:03] hggdh: ? [14:03] mysql 5.0 has been removed, I had not time to search for the owner of atlas (but no big deal). [14:03] ok [14:03] * ttx to blog about the beta-1 campaign so far, to trigger new candidates [14:03] Done at http://fnords.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/server-papercuts-beta1-round-finished/ [14:03] * ttx to bring up status of server doc in an email thread [14:04] Done on ubuntu-server ML, will talk about status later in the meeting [14:04] [TOPIC] Beta1 status review [14:04] New Topic: Beta1 status review [14:04] First, ISO testing test coverage [14:04] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all [14:04] LINK received: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all [14:04] So the current candidates are expected to be final, unless someone finds a valuable kitten killer [14:05] Get your ISO testing engines ready [14:05] You know your targets :) [14:05] * hggdh would like help on testing UEC [14:05] hggdh: maybe after meeting on #ubuntu-server [14:06] roj [14:06] hggdh: I'll give you some help on that front [14:06] Other questions about Beta1 ISO testing [14:06] ? [14:06] Now, remaining Beta1 work items [14:06] See http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [14:07] server-lucid-ec2-ebsroot (smoser): 2 work items remaining [14:07] are they expected to be complete by tomorrow or should they be postponed ? [14:07] postone i guess. [14:07] smoser: that's about release automation ? [14:08] that doesn't change the deliverables, right [14:08] yes for promote-daily is release automation. does not change deliverables. [14:08] what about ebs-root daily cleaner ? [14:08] and it actually (should) works just is less efficient than it could be [14:08] it's a cleanup cronjob ? [14:08] the cleaner, as it is right now, i'll just manually have to unregister things. [14:09] ok [14:09] yeah, the daily builds roll off [14:09] smoser: ok, please update work items accordingly [14:09] ok [14:09] (mark them postponed) [14:09] server-lucid-uec-testing (mathiaz,kirkland,hggdh): 4 work items left [14:10] ttx: i can handle those today/tomorrow [14:10] ttx: the multi-network infra will be postponed to post-beta1 as I'm still debugging the automation [14:10] mathiaz: ok [14:10] I will get help from mathiaz (thank you!) and will get the tests donew [14:10] ttx: and the test rig is currently used for beta1 testing [14:10] mathiaz: is it possible to run tests manually for multi-networ;k validation ? [14:11] ok, I'll run those tests on my rig then. [14:11] ttx: the tests can be run automatically - the problem is to *setup* the whole multi-network infrastructure [14:11] ttx: on the hardware available in the test rig [14:11] mathiaz: ack. [14:12] server-lucid-apt-mirror-ec2 (ttx): 1 work item remaining [14:12] That one is mostly an IS spec, now that they confirmed no change in images will be needed [14:12] They are still testing their new infrastructure, so that should be deferred [14:12] server-lucid-bug-zapping (kirkland): one work item remaining [14:13] ttx: yup, will announce eucalyptus/euca2ools for next week [14:13] kirkland: ok. [14:13] server-lucid-puppet-uec-ec2-integration (mathiaz): 4 work items remaining -- is it just some leftover of the -> beta2 retargeting or do you still plan to work on those by tomorrow ? [14:14] ttx: planning to work on those today and tomorrow [14:14] not 4, but 9, sorry :) [14:14] ttx: it mostly is about setting up an infrastrucutre, playing with it and documenting it [14:14] mathiaz: so only the testsuite fixes have been postponed, right ? [14:14] ttx: yes - I've retargeted the whole BP to beta2 [14:15] ttx: which moved away the bugs from beta1 [14:15] that makes linked bugs appear to beta2 [14:15] yes [14:15] ttx: (and improved the beta1 burned down chart :)) [14:15] We also have qa-lucid-cloud-test (smoser): 2 work items left [14:15] those are definitely POSTPONE. i will update. [14:15] Not ours, but... [14:15] ok [14:15] Sounds all good to me [14:16] Comments/questions ? [14:16] i still like turtles [14:16] zul: are you testing the latest beta1 candidates? [14:16] mathiaz: yep [14:17] zul: great - I won't test them as I plan to do the puppet tests instead [14:17] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [14:17] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [14:17] hggdh: hello [14:17] team: hggdh will take up the second Monday slot for Daily bugtriage, so give him a hug :) [14:18] yay! [14:18] That should help zul in cleaning up the list after friday/sat/sun :) [14:18] heh [14:18] * kirkland high fives hggdh [14:18] hggdh: any news to report ? [14:19] not much for today. Life is good. [14:19] Tests have been expanded for ISO [14:19] so I would like feedback; also, feedback on which tests should be required is appreciated [14:20] hggdh: Looks like we should have EBS-root specific entries in the ISo tracker for beta2 [14:20] note that the SAMBA test *requires* a login to the system to work. No remote ssh via preseed, please [14:20] hggdh: currently only the 'instance' root store AMIs are exposed [14:21] ttx: er. Begging pardon, what is EBS-root, and the rest? [14:21] hggdh: we now produce two types of deliverables on EC2 [14:21] But http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all only mentions one type [14:22] see http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/20100317/ for all deliverables [14:22] You have "ebs" and "instance" types in that last list [14:22] the ISO tracker only has entries for the "instance" types [14:22] k, will look at it [14:22] hggdh, ebs root (elastic block store) give an instance that can be powered off, and powered back on without losing data. instance-store data is lost on root partition on poweroff [14:22] hggdh: I think ara has the keys to modify that [14:23] ebs root is a new deliverable (as of beta1) for ubuntu. [14:23] ttx indeed must be done by ara [14:23] hggdh: anything else ? [14:23] questions for hggdh ? [14:23] no, I am good (and submerged in Things To Do) [14:24] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:24] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:24] hggdh: thanks [14:24] jjohansen: hi [14:24] hi [14:24] so we have a kernel that boots for Bug #527208 [14:24] Launchpad bug 527208 in linux-ec2 "ec2 instance fails boot, no console output on c1.xlarge" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527208 [14:25] I still have config revisions todo, but we should have a general test kernel later today [14:25] jjohansen: that's great news ! [14:25] jjohansen: thanks for your work on this. [14:26] I see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-kvm/+bug/531823 is also fixed, or at least workarounded [14:26] Ubuntu bug 531823 in linux "[lucid] All linux guests oops in kvm_leave_lazy_mmu during boot (9.04, 9.10, 10.04)" [High,Fix released] [14:26] ah, yeah smb gets all the credit there [14:26] jjohansen: thank him for us -- that one was deadly annoying for at least my testing :) [14:27] will do [14:27] jjohansen: anything else ? [14:27] I can't think of anything else atm [14:27] team: questions for jjohansen ? any funny bug to throw at our kernel friends ? [14:28] * mathiaz randomly picks one of the 2030092 opened bugs against linux [14:28] ok, moving on then :) [14:28] [TOPIC] Server Papercuts (ttx) [14:28] New Topic: Server Papercuts (ttx) [14:28] The beta1 round is now finished [14:28] 10 fixes, 2 postponed and 2 invalid [14:29] beta2 only has 7 targets right now [14:29] note that we should fix them before Beta2Freeze [14:29] * zul goes nominate some more today [14:29] https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/lucid-beta-2 [14:29] you can already book your favorite ones [14:29] remember those are easy to fix bugs and a great way to get involved in Ubutu development [14:30] since the server team will help in sponsoring your proposed branches [14:30] Nominations review: [14:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New [14:30] Hmm, none. [14:30] Last time I looked there was one [14:31] anyway :) [14:31] Please nominate some, the idea was to have between 10 and 14 targets [14:31] Questions ? [14:32] [TOPIC] Bugzapping status (kirkland) [14:32] New Topic: Bugzapping status (kirkland) [14:32] ttx: next week will be eucalyptus and euca2ools [14:33] ttx: we're going to burn down as many euca bugs as possible [14:33] last week samba was quite effective, even though it was mostly triaging [14:33] kirkland: hopefully you will discover new bugs as well :) [14:33] ttx: that counts for a lot [14:33] ttx: dedicated triage time [14:34] we went down from >170 to <100 samba bugs, fwiw [14:34] with the help of the HugDay team [14:34] ttx: helps us sift through the data [14:35] kirkland: do you have bugzapping targets for beta2 ? [14:35] ttx: nothing official yet [14:35] ok [14:35] ttx: mysql for the last week of March [14:35] ttx: i think we still need to spend some time on libvirt too [14:35] ttx: just before Beta2 freeze [14:35] mathiaz volunteers! \o/ [14:35] kirkland: yes, that would be a good idea, at least a two-day so that good triage can be done [14:36] kirkland: I recommend combining with a BugDay, see pedro to organize that. [14:36] Other questions for kirkland ? [14:37] ttx: will do [14:37] [TOPIC] Server documentation status (ttx, sommer) [14:37] New Topic: Server documentation status (ttx, sommer) [14:37] sommer: around ? [14:38] So I sent an email last week about the status of the server guide... [14:38] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ [14:38] LINK received: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ [14:38] This should be reviewed for blatant errors [14:38] DocumentationStringFreeze is next week, unfortunately [14:38] So the sooner the better [14:39] Fixes can be proposed as ubuntu-doc branches, but I think they accept unformatted patches as well [14:40] So please spend some of your limited time checking out the current doc, especially where you know things have changed [14:41] example: egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo --> kvm-ok [14:41] Questions about that ? [14:42] Moving on, then :) [14:42] [TOPIC] Server team upload rights (Daviey, mathiaz) [14:42] New Topic: Server team upload rights (Daviey, mathiaz) [14:42] postponed to next week, I assume [14:43] nothing from me [14:43] Daviey: do you have specific questions you'd like to have answers for? [14:44] Let's move on, we'll see his answer in Open Discussion :) [14:44] [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [14:44] New Topic: Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [14:45] there aren't any bugs nominated for the previous release [14:45] *releases* [14:45] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:45] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:45] ^^ anything worth from bugs fixed last week? [14:46] ttx: zul: on the samba front? [14:46] Nothing important enough [14:46] (at least from me) [14:46] kirkland: on the qemu-kvm front? [14:46] nothing from me [14:46] mathiaz: nope [14:47] ok - then [14:47] that's all for now [14:47] I'm planning to work on improving the SRU workflow [14:47] zul: I'll shoot an email to sync up with your current practice [14:48] mathiaz: ok [14:48] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [14:48] New Topic: Open Discussion [14:48] Daviey: you're back ? [14:49] \o [14:49] Is this regarding the upload priv? [14:49] Daviey: yes [14:49] Daviey: do you have specific questions you'd like to have answers for? [14:49] Daviey: Daviey: do you have specific questions you'd like to have answers for? [14:50] mathiaz: It seems to be something that should be implemented to be forward facing. Although it doesn't concern many people, it will. I should mention that the first team to be given upload privilidges for a package set consisted (and still does) of one person, who is already a MOTU/Core [14:51] On another subject, UDS-M has been announced. If you want sponsorship to visit lovely Brussels, the deadline is on March 26th. [14:51] Daviey: agreed. It's on my radar [14:51] Daviey: I just need some time to get through it. [14:51] And procedure is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/Sponsorship [14:51] okay, i'm happy to leave it with mathiaz :) [14:51] That is me done, thanks :) [14:52] Anything else, anyone ? [14:52] nyet [14:52] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [14:52] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [14:53] not in my power to change, so next week, same place, same UTC time. [14:53] super. [14:53] * kirkland is happy the meeting was 1 hour later for him [14:53] #endmeeting [14:53] Meeting finished at 09:53. [14:56] Whuh? [14:56] soren: Whah ? [14:56] yah [14:56] soren: U.S. daylight savings time [14:56] well - the time hasn't changed [14:56] it's still schedule at 14:00 UTC AFAICT [14:56] * soren curses The Week of Infinite $TZ confusion [14:56] mathiaz: I was wondering where the Canadians fell :) [14:57] ttx: hopefully down the gorge :) [14:57] ttx: we've switch hour as well - which pushes back the meeting by an hour [14:57] mathiaz: so it's not "US DST", but "north american DST" :) [14:57] the meeting is still at 14:00 UTC though [14:57] ttx: yeah - canada follows what the US does [14:57] mathiaz: lemmings :) [14:58] I still think the meetings are on Tues, and have to correct myself. === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [16:00] hi all [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Hey [16:00] Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is cjwatson. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0317 [16:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0317 [16:01] hi folks [16:01] hiya [16:01] boo, barry's python snippet is broken :-) [16:01] oh noes [16:02] cjwatson: file a bug [16:02] * cjwatson fix0rs [16:02] * barry wiki hacks === binarylooks is now known as binarylooks_away [16:02] james_w,doko,mvo,Keybuk,slangasek: here? [16:02] no :) [16:02] hi [16:02] yes [16:02] * slangasek moans zombily [16:02] hi [16:03] [TOPIC] Lightning round [16:03] New Topic: Lightning round [16:03] slangasek: BRRAAAAAAAAINS [16:03] >>> print ', '.join(order) [16:03] slangasek, tremolux, mvo, doko, barry, Keybuk, ev, lool, cjwatson, james_w [16:03] cjwatson: dang you're fast [16:03] um... beta [16:04] (eof) [16:04] heh [16:04] Lots of work on the OEM side last week. [16:04] This week: Continue Software Center bug fixes and triage, other tasks as needed. [16:04] (done) [16:04] hah [16:04] sick for 2 days last week, but better now, software-center work, setup ec2 rnr-server instance, upgrade testing/fixing failures, apt/python-apt merges [16:04] (done) [16:05] * two new lucid test installations [16:05] * llvm, clang, llvm-gcc-4.2 updates [16:05] * again, some toolchain updates, too many test builds [16:05] * openjdk and python updates in preparation for the release [16:05] (done) [16:05] computer-janitor dbus refactoring complete. to be reviewed by mvo (followed [16:05] by ffe request for lucid). python-argparse updated to 1.1 and mir approved. [16:05] fixed update-manager bug 537250. worked on ratings and reviews server. [16:05] review pycompile patch for 2.7 and 3.2. pep 3147 work - have simple working [16:05] implementation of __pycache__. prep for py 2.6.5 to be released tomorrow. not [16:05] blocked. (done) [16:05] Plymouth [16:06] Launchpad bug 537250 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with NameError in get_bool()" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537250 [16:06] -- [16:06] * slangasek grins [16:06] but he's not bitter [16:06] trying to get to the bottom of the kde frontend to ubiquity consuming 100% cpu, other ubiquity fixes and bug triage, cd testing, usb-creator fixes, trying to build a test harness for ubiquity in my spare time [16:06] (done) [16:07] Touched a couple of ARM bugs, finished first pass on ports development tools on w.u.c; went to SolutionsLinux; not much Foundations work last week, pulled in other work [16:07] (done) [16:07] done: console-setup -> udev/upstart, dpkg performance backports and security fix and then unbroke dpkg performance, blkid infloop fix, horrible horrible partitioning bug of death, other beta-1 firefighting [16:07] todo: catch up post-beta-1 bugs, mostly this swap/lvm+encryption thing and some grub problems [16:07] -- [16:08] Much Launchpad talk/hacking, some server stuff, some bug fixing, sponsoring. More of the same to come. [16:08] (RST) [16:09] [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:09] New Topic: Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:09] there were a couple [16:09] cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script [16:09] not done, sorry [16:09] barry to implement script [16:10] obviously blocked [16:10] done. [16:10] [ACTION] cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script [16:10] ACTION received: cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script [16:10] [ACTION] barry to implement script [16:10] ACTION received: barry to implement script [16:10] barry to hand over blueprint for psychic powers [16:10] [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions [16:10] New Topic: Outstanding feature freeze exceptions [16:10] are there any? [16:11] python-apt was pending last I checked [16:11] cjwatson: not yet, but c-j is coming [16:11] ratings&reviews is also still in limbo :( [16:11] ntfs-3g still, I guess, need to find time to look at that [16:11] cjwatson: can I have a feature freeze exception for reverting to using usplash? :p [16:11] mvo: I thought we'd officially deferred it [16:12] Keybuk: *cough* itoldyouso [16:12] cjwatson: well... [16:12] bug #531518 [16:12] Launchpad bug 531518 in python-apt "Feature Freeze exception request" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531518 [16:12] cjwatson: we haven't officially *undeferred* it yet either. hence limbo :) [16:12] cjwatson: though, to be entirely fair, we'd have the exact same problems there [16:12] I know its late but if we get it now it will save us headache on the next lts->lts upgrade [16:12] these aren't plymouth problems, there are trying to do smooth transition into X problems [16:13] I tend to agree on python-apt; re r&r, I thought we had server-side problems that weren't going to be resolved in tim [16:13] e [16:13] cjwatson: we're trying to meet with isd to see if we can get resources to help with that [16:14] if isd can help us and help us quickly there may be still a chance for it [16:14] (why can't I write quickly anymore without thinking of rickspencer?) [16:15] same reason I can no longer type the word precede first time [16:15] heh :) [16:15] it always wants to come out 'prekickstart'? [16:16] argh [16:18] mvo,barry: well, it seems a bit ambitious to me, but I know there's pressure for this - can we at least ensure that we don't paint ourselves into a corner wrt client/server compatibility? IIRC you were working on some kind of versioned interfacec [16:18] * mvo nods [16:18] we can arrange that [16:18] * barry nods too [16:19] [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs [16:19] New Topic: Milestoned bugs [16:19] [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21446 [16:19] LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21446 [16:19] my head is full of this plymouth bug, as I'm sure Keybuk's is too [16:20] there are a few others for our team still for beta-1, which I'm guessing at this point mostly have to be deferred [16:20] mvo: did you have any thoughts on how to resolve bug #527870? (I commented the bug, not sure you saw) [16:20] Launchpad bug 527870 in update-manager "karmic -> lucid CDROM only upgrade fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527870 [16:21] slangasek: I haven't seen that yet and I haven't investigated further, sorry [16:21] bug 479391, bug 506709, bug 518856, bug 518866, bug 515525 - are we going to try to get some upgrade fixes in place for immediately post-beta-1? [16:21] Launchpad bug 479391 in update-manager "version upgrade via update-manager or do-release-upgrade does not work with proxy authentication" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479391 [16:21] Launchpad bug 506709 in unattended-upgrades "Should inform user if running during shutdown/reboot process" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506709 [16:21] Launchpad bug 518856 in update-manager "Support ends dialog should auto-detect universe" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518856 [16:21] Launchpad bug 518866 in update-manager "Confirm dialog is confusing and too technical" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518866 [16:21] Launchpad bug 515525 in aptitude "aptitude assert failure: *** glibc detected *** aptitude: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08f9d658 ***" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515525 [16:21] 479391> is a bit uncertain, I think this should work but needs testing [16:22] cjwatson, Keybuk: what's your feeling on bug #539182? if there's going to be a respin anyway, I could shove in either a casper text change or a plymouth change to allow the enter key as a keiy [16:22] Launchpad bug 539182 in plymouth "plymouth watch-keystroke doesn't recognize the enter key (Lucid Live CD fails to reboot)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539182 [16:22] key [16:22] 506709> is a plymouth integration bug, help welcome [16:22] slangasek: don't really have an opinion on it [16:22] 518856, 518866> mostly UI bugs driven by design team/mark [16:22] mvo: does it need anything more than plymouth message --text=."..." ? [16:22] Keybuk: probably not [16:22] I was just gonna say [16:23] Keybuk: when I wanted to test this on my HW I had some trouble with plymouth [16:23] so sorry, its probalbby simple [16:23] let's push those UI bugs to beta-2 then? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:23] (to be fair, I tried it ~2 weeks ago, I'm sure its working better now) [16:23] yes [16:23] doing [16:23] thanks [16:24]