[12:58] <hggdh> ~o~
[13:00] <smoser> \O
[13:00] <jjohansen> O/
[13:05] <smoser> hggdh, jjohansen fyi, meeting is 14:00 UTC, one hour.
[13:05] <jjohansen> yeah, I figured that after no one else showed up
[13:06] <jjohansen> crazy U.S. dst messes everything up
[13:06] <hggdh> oh boy, not again :-(
[13:11] <czajkowski> is there some way we can fix the fridge so it'd stop it getting messed up with the clock changes
[13:16] <hggdh> I guess the easiest way would be to cancel daylight
[13:19]  * hggdh would fully support it
[13:19]  * zul waves his fist at the farmers
[13:19] <zul> stupid cows
[13:57] <kirkland> o/
[13:57] <hggdh> ~0~
[13:58] <ttx> o/
[13:59] <jjohansen> \o
[14:00] <mathiaz>  /o
[14:00] <ttx> OK, let's get started
[14:00] <ttx> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is ttx.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:00] <ttx> Today's lucky scribe is: kirkland
[14:00] <ttx> Agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[14:01] <ttx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[14:01]  * kirkland strts typng lk a crt rprtr
[14:01] <ttx> * Mathiaz to discuss with cjwatson about ubuntu-server upload team
[14:01] <mathiaz> ttx: nothing new on this front
[14:01] <smoser> \O
[14:01] <zul> yo
[14:01] <mathiaz> ttx: persia actually offered some help on this topic
[14:02] <ttx> mathiaz: ok, I'll reschedult it for next week ?
[14:02] <mathiaz> ttx: yes - hopefully I'll get some time by then
[14:02] <ttx> [ACTION] mathiaz to discuss with cjwatson about ubuntu-server upload team
[14:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to discuss with cjwatson about ubuntu-server upload team
[14:02] <ttx> * hggdh to remove mysql5.0 and question atlas in the build regression test rig
[14:03] <ttx> hggdh: ?
[14:03] <hggdh> mysql 5.0 has been removed, I had not time to search for the owner of atlas (but no big deal).
[14:03] <ttx> ok
[14:03] <ttx> * ttx to blog about the beta-1 campaign so far, to trigger new candidates
[14:03] <ttx> Done at http://fnords.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/server-papercuts-beta1-round-finished/
[14:03] <ttx> * ttx to bring up status of server doc in an email thread
[14:04] <ttx> Done on ubuntu-server ML, will talk about status later in the meeting
[14:04] <ttx> [TOPIC] Beta1 status review
[14:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Beta1 status review
[14:04] <ttx> First, ISO testing test coverage
[14:04] <ttx> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all
[14:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all
[14:04] <ttx> So the current candidates are expected to be final, unless someone finds a valuable kitten killer
[14:05] <ttx> Get your ISO testing engines ready
[14:05] <ttx> You know your targets :)
[14:05]  * hggdh would like help on testing UEC
[14:05] <ttx> hggdh: maybe after meeting on #ubuntu-server
[14:06] <hggdh> roj
[14:06] <mathiaz> hggdh: I'll give you some help on that front
[14:06] <ttx> Other questions about Beta1 ISO testing
[14:06] <ttx> ?
[14:06] <ttx> Now, remaining Beta1 work items
[14:06] <ttx> See http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[14:07] <ttx> server-lucid-ec2-ebsroot (smoser): 2 work items remaining
[14:07] <ttx> are they expected to be complete by tomorrow or should they be postponed ?
[14:07] <smoser> postone i guess.
[14:07] <ttx> smoser: that's about release automation ?
[14:08] <ttx> that doesn't change the deliverables, right
[14:08] <smoser> yes for promote-daily is release automation. does not change deliverables.
[14:08] <ttx> what about ebs-root daily cleaner ?
[14:08] <smoser> and it actually (should) works just is less efficient than it could be
[14:08] <ttx> it's a cleanup cronjob ?
[14:08] <smoser> the cleaner, as it is right now, i'll just manually have to unregister things.
[14:09] <ttx> ok
[14:09] <smoser> yeah, the daily builds roll off
[14:09] <ttx> smoser: ok, please update work items accordingly
[14:09] <smoser> ok
[14:09] <ttx> (mark them postponed)
[14:09] <ttx> server-lucid-uec-testing (mathiaz,kirkland,hggdh): 4 work items left
[14:10] <kirkland> ttx: i can handle those today/tomorrow
[14:10] <mathiaz> ttx: the multi-network infra will be postponed to post-beta1 as I'm still debugging the automation
[14:10] <ttx> mathiaz: ok
[14:10] <hggdh> I will get help from mathiaz (thank you!) and will get the tests donew
[14:10] <mathiaz> ttx: and the test rig is currently used for beta1 testing
[14:10] <ttx> mathiaz: is it possible to run tests manually for multi-networ;k validation ?
[14:11] <ttx> ok, I'll run those tests on my rig then.
[14:11] <mathiaz> ttx: the tests can be run automatically - the problem is to *setup* the whole multi-network infrastructure
[14:11] <mathiaz> ttx: on the hardware available in the test rig
[14:11] <ttx> mathiaz: ack.
[14:12] <ttx> server-lucid-apt-mirror-ec2 (ttx): 1 work item remaining
[14:12] <ttx> That one is mostly an IS spec, now that they confirmed no change in images will be needed
[14:12] <ttx> They are still testing their new infrastructure, so that should be deferred
[14:12] <ttx> server-lucid-bug-zapping (kirkland): one work item remaining
[14:13] <kirkland> ttx: yup, will announce eucalyptus/euca2ools for next week
[14:13] <ttx> kirkland: ok.
[14:13] <ttx> server-lucid-puppet-uec-ec2-integration (mathiaz): 4 work items remaining -- is it just some leftover of the -> beta2 retargeting or do you still plan to work on those by tomorrow ?
[14:14] <mathiaz> ttx: planning to work on those today and tomorrow
[14:14] <ttx> not 4, but 9, sorry :)
[14:14] <mathiaz> ttx: it mostly is about setting up an infrastrucutre, playing with it and documenting it
[14:14] <ttx> mathiaz: so only the testsuite fixes have been postponed, right ?
[14:14] <mathiaz> ttx: yes - I've retargeted the whole BP to beta2
[14:15] <mathiaz> ttx: which moved away the bugs from beta1
[14:15] <ttx> that makes linked bugs appear to beta2
[14:15] <ttx> yes
[14:15] <mathiaz> ttx: (and improved the beta1 burned down chart :))
[14:15] <ttx> We also have qa-lucid-cloud-test (smoser): 2 work items left
[14:15] <smoser> those are definitely POSTPONE. i will update.
[14:15] <ttx> Not ours, but...
[14:15] <ttx> ok
[14:15] <ttx> Sounds all good to me
[14:16] <ttx> Comments/questions ?
[14:16] <zul> i still like turtles
[14:16] <mathiaz> zul: are you testing the latest beta1 candidates?
[14:16] <zul> mathiaz: yep
[14:17] <mathiaz> zul: great - I won't test them as I plan to do the puppet tests instead
[14:17] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[14:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[14:17] <ttx> hggdh: hello
[14:17] <ttx> team: hggdh will take up the second Monday slot for Daily bugtriage, so give him a hug :)
[14:18] <zul> yay!
[14:18] <ttx> That should help zul in cleaning up the list after friday/sat/sun :)
[14:18] <hggdh> heh
[14:18]  * kirkland high fives hggdh 
[14:18] <ttx> hggdh: any news to report ?
[14:19] <hggdh> not much for today. Life is good.
[14:19] <hggdh> Tests have been expanded for ISO
[14:19] <hggdh> so I would like feedback; also, feedback on which tests should be required is appreciated
[14:20] <ttx> hggdh: Looks like we should have EBS-root specific entries in the ISo tracker for beta2
[14:20] <hggdh> note that the SAMBA test *requires* a login to the system to work. No remote ssh via preseed, please
[14:20] <ttx> hggdh: currently only the 'instance' root store AMIs are exposed
[14:21] <hggdh> ttx: er. Begging pardon, what is EBS-root, and the rest?
[14:21] <ttx> hggdh: we now produce two types of deliverables on EC2
[14:21] <ttx> But http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all only mentions one type
[14:22] <ttx> see http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/20100317/ for all deliverables
[14:22] <ttx> You have "ebs" and "instance" types in that last list
[14:22] <ttx> the ISO tracker only has entries for the "instance" types
[14:22] <hggdh> k, will look at it
[14:22] <smoser> hggdh, ebs root (elastic block store) give an instance that can be powered off, and powered back on without losing data. instance-store data is lost on root partition on poweroff
[14:22] <ttx> hggdh: I think ara has the keys to modify that
[14:23] <smoser> ebs root is a new deliverable (as of beta1) for ubuntu.
[14:23] <hggdh> ttx indeed must be done by ara
[14:23] <ttx> hggdh: anything else ?
[14:23] <ttx> questions for hggdh ?
[14:23] <hggdh> no, I am good (and submerged in Things To Do)
[14:24] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:24] <ttx> hggdh: thanks
[14:24] <ttx> jjohansen: hi
[14:24] <jjohansen> hi
[14:24] <jjohansen> so we have a kernel that boots for Bug #527208
[14:25] <jjohansen> I still have config revisions todo, but we should have a general test kernel later today
[14:25] <ttx> jjohansen: that's great news !
[14:25] <ttx> jjohansen: thanks for your work on this.
[14:26] <ttx> I see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-kvm/+bug/531823 is also fixed, or at least workarounded
[14:26] <jjohansen> ah, yeah smb gets all the credit there
[14:26] <ttx> jjohansen: thank him for us -- that one was deadly annoying for at least my testing :)
[14:27] <jjohansen> will do
[14:27] <ttx> jjohansen: anything else ?
[14:27] <jjohansen> I can't think of anything else atm
[14:27] <ttx> team: questions for jjohansen ? any funny bug to throw at our kernel friends ?
[14:28]  * mathiaz randomly picks one of the 2030092 opened bugs against linux
[14:28] <ttx> ok, moving on then :)
[14:28] <ttx> [TOPIC] Server Papercuts (ttx)
[14:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Papercuts (ttx)
[14:28] <ttx> The beta1 round is now finished
[14:28] <ttx> 10 fixes, 2 postponed and 2 invalid
[14:29] <ttx> beta2 only has 7 targets right now
[14:29] <ttx> note that we should fix them before Beta2Freeze
[14:29]  * zul goes nominate some more today
[14:29] <ttx> https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/lucid-beta-2
[14:29] <ttx> you can already book your favorite ones
[14:29] <ttx> remember those are easy to fix bugs and a great way to get involved in Ubutu development
[14:30] <ttx> since the server team will help in sponsoring your proposed branches
[14:30] <ttx> Nominations review:
[14:30] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New
[14:30] <ttx> Hmm, none.
[14:30] <ttx> Last time I looked there was one
[14:31] <ttx> anyway :)
[14:31] <ttx> Please nominate some, the idea was to have between 10 and 14 targets
[14:31] <ttx> Questions ?
[14:32] <ttx> [TOPIC] Bugzapping status (kirkland)
[14:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugzapping status (kirkland)
[14:32] <kirkland> ttx: next week will be eucalyptus and euca2ools
[14:33] <kirkland> ttx: we're going to burn down as many euca bugs as possible
[14:33] <ttx> last week samba was quite effective, even though it was mostly triaging
[14:33] <ttx> kirkland: hopefully you will discover new bugs as well :)
[14:33] <kirkland> ttx: that counts for a lot
[14:33] <kirkland> ttx: dedicated triage time
[14:34] <ttx> we went down from >170 to <100 samba bugs, fwiw
[14:34] <ttx> with the help of the HugDay team
[14:34] <kirkland> ttx: helps us sift through the data
[14:35] <ttx> kirkland: do you have bugzapping targets for beta2 ?
[14:35] <kirkland> ttx: nothing official yet
[14:35] <ttx> ok
[14:35] <mathiaz> ttx: mysql for the last week of March
[14:35] <kirkland> ttx: i think we still need to spend some time on libvirt too
[14:35] <mathiaz> ttx: just before Beta2 freeze
[14:35] <kirkland> mathiaz volunteers!  \o/
[14:35] <ttx> kirkland: yes, that would be a good idea, at least a two-day so that good triage can be done
[14:36] <ttx> kirkland: I recommend combining with a BugDay, see pedro to organize that.
[14:36] <ttx> Other questions for kirkland ?
[14:37] <kirkland> ttx: will do
[14:37] <ttx> [TOPIC] Server documentation status (ttx, sommer)
[14:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server documentation status (ttx, sommer)
[14:37] <ttx> sommer: around ?
[14:38] <ttx> So I sent an email last week about the status of the server guide...
[14:38] <ttx> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[14:38] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[14:38] <ttx> This should be reviewed for blatant errors
[14:38] <ttx> DocumentationStringFreeze is next week, unfortunately
[14:38] <ttx> So the sooner the better
[14:39] <ttx> Fixes can be proposed as ubuntu-doc branches, but I think they accept unformatted patches as well
[14:40] <ttx> So please spend some of your limited time checking out the current doc, especially where you know things have changed
[14:41] <ttx> example:  egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo --> kvm-ok
[14:41] <ttx> Questions about that ?
[14:42] <ttx> Moving on, then :)
[14:42] <ttx> [TOPIC] Server team upload rights (Daviey, mathiaz)
[14:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team upload rights (Daviey, mathiaz)
[14:42] <ttx> postponed to next week, I assume
[14:43] <mathiaz> nothing from me
[14:43] <mathiaz> Daviey: do you have specific questions you'd like to have answers for?
[14:44] <ttx> Let's move on, we'll see his answer in Open Discussion :)
[14:44] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (mathiaz)
[14:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review (mathiaz)
[14:45] <mathiaz> there aren't any bugs nominated for the previous release
[14:45] <mathiaz> *releases*
[14:45] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:45] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:45] <mathiaz> ^^ anything worth from bugs fixed last week?
[14:46] <mathiaz> ttx: zul: on the samba front?
[14:46] <ttx> Nothing important enough
[14:46] <ttx> (at least from me)
[14:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: on the qemu-kvm front?
[14:46] <zul> nothing from me
[14:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: nope
[14:47] <mathiaz> ok - then
[14:47] <mathiaz> that's all for now
[14:47] <mathiaz> I'm planning to work on improving the SRU workflow
[14:47] <mathiaz> zul: I'll shoot an email to sync up with your current practice
[14:48] <zul> mathiaz: ok
[14:48] <ttx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[14:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[14:48] <ttx> Daviey: you're back ?
[14:49] <Daviey> \o
[14:49] <Daviey> Is this regarding the upload priv?
[14:49] <mathiaz> Daviey: yes
[14:49] <mathiaz> Daviey: do you have specific questions you'd like to have answers for?
[14:49] <ttx> Daviey: <mathiaz> Daviey: do you have specific questions you'd like to have answers for?
[14:50] <Daviey> mathiaz: It seems to be something that should be implemented to be forward facing.  Although it doesn't concern many people, it will.  I should mention that the first team to be given upload privilidges for a package set consisted (and still does) of one person, who is already a MOTU/Core
[14:51] <ttx> On another subject, UDS-M has been announced. If you want sponsorship to visit lovely Brussels, the deadline is on March 26th.
[14:51] <mathiaz> Daviey: agreed. It's on my radar
[14:51] <mathiaz> Daviey: I just need some time to get through it.
[14:51] <ttx> And procedure is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/Sponsorship
[14:51] <Daviey> okay, i'm happy to leave it with mathiaz :)
[14:51] <Daviey> That is me done, thanks :)
[14:52] <ttx> Anything else, anyone ?
[14:52] <zul> nyet
[14:52] <ttx> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[14:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[14:53] <ttx> not in my power to change, so next week, same place, same UTC time.
[14:53] <Daviey> super.
[14:53]  * kirkland is happy the meeting was 1 hour later for him
[14:53] <ttx> #endmeeting
[14:53] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:53.
[14:56] <soren> Whuh?
[14:56] <ttx> soren: Whah ?
[14:56] <Daviey> yah
[14:56] <jjohansen> soren: U.S. daylight savings time
[14:56] <mathiaz> well - the time hasn't changed
[14:56] <mathiaz> it's still schedule at 14:00 UTC AFAICT
[14:56]  * soren curses The Week of Infinite $TZ confusion
[14:56] <ttx> mathiaz: I was wondering where the Canadians fell :)
[14:57] <Daviey> ttx: hopefully down the gorge :)
[14:57] <mathiaz> ttx: we've switch hour as well - which pushes back the meeting by an hour
[14:57] <ttx> mathiaz: so it's not "US DST", but "north american DST" :)
[14:57] <mathiaz> the meeting is still at 14:00 UTC though
[14:57] <mathiaz> ttx: yeah - canada follows what the US does
[14:57] <ttx> mathiaz: lemmings :)
[14:58] <Daviey> I still think the meetings are on Tues, and have to correct myself.
[16:00] <cjwatson> hi all
[16:00] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:00] <lool> Hey
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is cjwatson.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0317
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0317
[16:01] <tremolux> hi folks
[16:01] <ev> hiya
[16:01] <cjwatson> boo, barry's python snippet is broken :-)
[16:01] <barry> oh noes
[16:02] <barry> cjwatson: file a bug <wink>
[16:02]  * cjwatson fix0rs
[16:02]  * barry wiki hacks
[16:02] <cjwatson> james_w,doko,mvo,Keybuk,slangasek: here?
[16:02] <Keybuk> no :)
[16:02] <mvo> hi
[16:02] <doko> yes
[16:02]  * slangasek moans zombily
[16:02] <james_w> hi
[16:03] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning round
[16:03] <Keybuk> slangasek: BRRAAAAAAAAINS
[16:03] <cjwatson> >>> print ', '.join(order)
[16:03] <cjwatson> slangasek, tremolux, mvo, doko, barry, Keybuk, ev, lool, cjwatson, james_w
[16:03] <barry> cjwatson: dang you're fast
[16:03] <slangasek> um... beta
[16:04] <slangasek> (eof)
[16:04] <tremolux> heh
[16:04] <tremolux> Lots of work on the OEM side last week.
[16:04] <tremolux> This week: Continue Software Center bug fixes and triage, other tasks as needed.
[16:04] <tremolux> (done)
[16:04] <cjwatson> hah
[16:04] <mvo> sick for 2 days last week, but better now, software-center work, setup ec2 rnr-server instance, upgrade testing/fixing failures, apt/python-apt merges
[16:04] <mvo> (done)
[16:05] <doko> * two new lucid test installations
[16:05] <doko> * llvm, clang, llvm-gcc-4.2 updates
[16:05] <doko> * again, some toolchain updates, too many test builds
[16:05] <doko> * openjdk and python updates in preparation for the release
[16:05] <doko> (done)
[16:05] <barry> computer-janitor dbus refactoring complete.  to be reviewed by mvo (followed
[16:05] <barry> by ffe request for lucid).  python-argparse updated to 1.1 and mir approved.
[16:05] <barry> fixed update-manager bug 537250.  worked on ratings and reviews server.
[16:05] <barry> review pycompile patch for 2.7 and 3.2.  pep 3147 work - have simple working
[16:05] <barry> implementation of __pycache__.  prep for py 2.6.5 to be released tomorrow. not
[16:05] <barry> blocked.  (done)
[16:05] <Keybuk> Plymouth
[16:06] <Keybuk> --
[16:06]  * slangasek grins
[16:06] <cjwatson> but he's not bitter
[16:06] <ev> trying to get to the bottom of the kde frontend to ubiquity consuming 100% cpu, other ubiquity fixes and bug triage, cd testing, usb-creator fixes, trying to build a test harness for ubiquity in my spare time
[16:06] <ev> (done)
[16:07] <lool> Touched a couple of ARM bugs, finished first pass on ports development tools on w.u.c; went to SolutionsLinux; not much Foundations work last week, pulled in other work
[16:07] <lool> (done)
[16:07] <cjwatson> done: console-setup -> udev/upstart, dpkg performance backports and security fix and then unbroke dpkg performance, blkid infloop fix, horrible horrible partitioning bug of death, other beta-1 firefighting
[16:07] <cjwatson> todo: catch up post-beta-1 bugs, mostly this swap/lvm+encryption thing and some grub problems
[16:07] <cjwatson> --
[16:08] <james_w> Much Launchpad talk/hacking, some server stuff, some bug fixing, sponsoring. More of the same to come.
[16:08] <james_w> (RST)
[16:09] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:09] <cjwatson> there were a couple
[16:09] <cjwatson> cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script
[16:09] <cjwatson> not done, sorry
[16:09] <cjwatson> barry to implement script
[16:10] <cjwatson> obviously blocked
[16:10] <barry> done. <kidding>
[16:10] <cjwatson> [ACTION] cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script
[16:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script
[16:10] <cjwatson> [ACTION] barry to implement script
[16:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to implement script
[16:10] <cjwatson> barry to hand over blueprint for psychic powers
[16:10] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:10] <cjwatson> are there any?
[16:11] <mvo> python-apt was pending last I checked
[16:11] <barry> cjwatson: not yet, but c-j is coming
[16:11] <mvo> ratings&reviews is also still in limbo :(
[16:11] <cjwatson> ntfs-3g still, I guess, need to find time to look at that
[16:11] <Keybuk> cjwatson: can I have a feature freeze exception for reverting to using usplash? :p
[16:11] <cjwatson> mvo: I thought we'd officially deferred it
[16:12] <cjwatson> Keybuk: *cough* itoldyouso
[16:12] <barry> cjwatson: well...
[16:12] <mvo> bug #531518
[16:12] <barry> cjwatson: we haven't officially *undeferred* it yet either.  hence limbo :)
[16:12] <Keybuk> cjwatson: though, to be entirely fair, we'd have the exact same problems there
[16:12] <mvo> I know its late but if we get it now it will save us headache on the next lts->lts upgrade
[16:12] <Keybuk> these aren't plymouth problems, there are trying to do smooth transition into X problems
[16:13] <cjwatson> I tend to agree on python-apt; re r&r, I thought we had server-side problems that weren't going to be resolved in tim
[16:13] <cjwatson> e
[16:13] <barry> cjwatson: we're trying to meet with isd to see if we can get resources to help with that
[16:14] <mvo> if isd can help us and help us quickly there may be still a chance for it
[16:14] <mvo> (why can't I write quickly anymore without thinking of rickspencer?)
[16:15] <cjwatson> same reason I can no longer type the word precede first time
[16:15] <mvo> heh :)
[16:15] <slangasek> it always wants to come out 'prekickstart'?
[16:16] <Keybuk> argh
[16:18] <cjwatson> mvo,barry: well, it seems a bit ambitious to me, but I know there's pressure for this - can we at least ensure that we don't paint ourselves into a corner wrt client/server compatibility?  IIRC you were working on some kind of versioned interfacec
[16:18]  * mvo nods
[16:18] <mvo> we can arrange that
[16:18]  * barry nods too
[16:19] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs
[16:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Milestoned bugs
[16:19] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21446
[16:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21446
[16:19] <cjwatson> my head is full of this plymouth bug, as I'm sure Keybuk's is too
[16:20] <cjwatson> there are a few others for our team still for beta-1, which I'm guessing at this point mostly have to be deferred
[16:20] <slangasek> mvo: did you have any thoughts on how to resolve bug #527870? (I commented the bug, not sure you saw)
[16:21] <mvo> slangasek: I haven't seen that yet and I haven't investigated further, sorry
[16:21] <cjwatson> bug 479391, bug 506709, bug 518856, bug 518866, bug 515525 - are we going to try to get some upgrade fixes in place for immediately post-beta-1?
[16:21] <mvo> 479391> is a bit uncertain, I think this should work but needs testing
[16:22] <slangasek> cjwatson, Keybuk: what's your feeling on bug #539182? if there's going to be a respin anyway, I could shove in either a casper text change or a plymouth change to allow the enter key as a keiy
[16:22] <slangasek> key
[16:22] <mvo> 506709> is a plymouth integration bug, help welcome
[16:22] <Keybuk> slangasek: don't really have an opinion on it
[16:22] <mvo> 518856, 518866> mostly UI bugs driven by design team/mark
[16:22] <Keybuk> mvo: does it need anything more than  plymouth message --text=."..." ?
[16:22] <mvo> Keybuk: probably not
[16:22] <slangasek> I was just gonna say
[16:23] <mvo> Keybuk: when I wanted to test this on my HW I had some trouble with plymouth
[16:23] <mvo> so sorry, its probalbby simple
[16:23] <cjwatson> let's push those UI bugs to beta-2 then?
[16:23] <mvo> (to be fair, I tried it ~2 weeks ago, I'm sure its working better now)
[16:23] <mvo> yes
[16:23] <cjwatson> doing
[16:23] <mvo> thanks
[16:24] <cjwatson> ev: have you got anywhere with bug 540275 yet?  I saw you talking with Riddell about it earlier today
[16:25] <ev> cjwatson: I'm in the process of looking into it
[16:25] <cjwatson> is it definitely Kubuntu-specific?
[16:26] <ev> I imagine so, but I'll check now to be sure
[16:27] <Riddell> I couldn't recreate it in the gtk frontend
[16:27] <Riddell> and shtylman has made quite a few changes in the KDE page there
[16:28] <cjwatson> 539182> if we can make Enter work, that would be better I think; "any key" is a simpler message, and the closer we can get to making that be true the better
[16:28] <cjwatson> I'm less worried about Escape as fewer people are likely to think of that as an "OK, get on with it" keystroke
[16:28] <ev> indeed, I cannot reproduce it in the gtk frontend either
[16:28] <mvo> Keybuk: plymouth --text was remarkable simple, that should be fixed now for good
[16:28]  * barry looks for the "any" key
[16:28] <slangasek> cjwatson: ack, will have a look after the meeting then
[16:28]  * mvo crosses fingers
[16:29] <Keybuk> cjwatson: but "any key" can not be made to work
[16:29] <Keybuk> some keys are special to plymouth
[16:29] <Keybuk> I've already seen a bug with someone trying to press Escape there
[16:29] <slangasek> this is specifically a message that says "press enter to reboot", and enter is a key that *doesn't* work
[16:30] <cjwatson> Keybuk: as I said ...
[16:30] <cjwatson> I realise one person did it
[16:30] <Keybuk> sure
[16:30] <cjwatson> oh, I hadn't realised that the message specifically said Enter.  Is it hard to make Enter work?  I'm having trouble navigating the code
[16:31] <cjwatson> it seems to be about half a dozen abstraction layers down from the watch-keystroke command handling
[16:31] <slangasek> cjwatson: on_enter() just needs the same else block as on_keyboard_input(), I think
[16:31] <Keybuk> <terminal or X or etc.> <input source> <watch keystroke> no?
[16:32] <Keybuk> it's not unreasonably abstracted
[16:32] <cjwatson> ok, let's just make that work then
[16:33] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Targeted bugs
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Targeted bugs
[16:33] <cjwatson> the headline number here is growing at an alarming rate
[16:33] <cjwatson> I think it was 270 or so last wewek
[16:34] <Keybuk> that's because all the other teams just assign bugs to us and target them instead of debugging/fixing them themselves, right? </bitter>
[16:34] <Keybuk> :p
[16:34] <mvo> but true
[16:34]  * mvo hides
[16:34] <barry> weird.  why does bug 540091 show up twice?
[16:35] <cjwatson> barry: tasks on multiple packages
[16:35] <barry> oh
[16:35] <cjwatson> I don't have much else to say about this - I'll try to get that behaviour spec off to barry before next week so that we can hopefully have a more useful segment here
[16:36] <cjwatson> the number >=high is more like 120-odd
[16:36] <cjwatson> which is less intimidating but still plenty
[16:36] <cjwatson> anything there that anyone wants to discuss in particular?
[16:37] <cjwatson> I'm going to skip the sponsorship queue this week as people should mostly have been dealing with beta bugs instead ...
[16:37] <cjwatson> I didn't see any business in activity reports, shout in AOB if there was
[16:37] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Good news
[16:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good news
[16:37] <Keybuk> debugging this plymouth problem is hard
[16:38] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I'm guessing that isn't good news, but IRC lag? :)
[16:39] <Keybuk> cjwatson: right now, I'm not sure I'll ever know why X crashes here :-/
[16:39] <Keybuk> getting into the live cd in a manner that I can actually debug it is difficult
[16:39] <james_w> Launchpad will no longer tell you that you cannot upload to lp:ubuntu/* branches when you in fact can, and will soon allow you to edit merge proposals against those branches too.
[16:40] <james_w> and it also puts the source branch unlinkified on the merge proposal page as well, making it much easier to copy and paste in some browsers
[16:40] <james_w> or it will when my branch lands
[16:41] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I have a thought.  What's the numeric representation of that Enter sequence?
[16:41] <Keybuk> can't remember
[16:42] <Keybuk> ^ \0x0A I think
[16:42] <cjwatson> Keybuk: is it possible that it starts with C-\ ?
[16:42] <Keybuk> oh
[16:42] <Keybuk> right
[16:42] <Keybuk> it does
[16:42] <Keybuk> C-\ 0x0A
[16:42] <cjwatson> that would be SIGQUIT then
[16:42] <Keybuk> yes
[16:42] <Keybuk> everything on that row starts with that
[16:43] <cjwatson> ok, so that accounts for the X crash itself, just remains to work out how the console got back to canonical mode
[16:43] <Keybuk> yeah, sorry
[16:43] <Keybuk> that's one of those things that I figured out weeks ago but didn't mention
[16:44] <cjwatson> ah :)
[16:44] <Keybuk> when in Raw Mode, key sequences include fatal control characters
[16:44] <Keybuk> 2 is Ctrl+C + key I think
[16:44] <Keybuk> some do Ctrl+Z
[16:44] <Keybuk> and since they're on the tty, they kill the foreground process group leader - ie X
[16:44] <Keybuk> or do I mean Canonical Mode?
[16:44] <Keybuk> can't remember which way round
[16:44] <Keybuk> anyway, plymouth resets it after X is up
[16:44] <Keybuk> at least, that was the bug then
[16:45] <Keybuk> the bug is that plymouth resets it at all after deactivate
[16:45] <cjwatson> do we know that it's definitely on 'plymouth deactivate', rather than in ply_terminal_close?
[16:46] <cjwatson> maybe we should discuss this out-of-meeting
[16:46] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:47] <cjwatson> do we think that we may need to slip beta-1 due to this bug, at present?
[16:48] <slangasek> if it affects all use of the desktop CD with the text plugin, that's a pretty wide swath affected
[16:48] <slangasek> so I think we need to get it fixed for beta-1; whether that means slipping probably depends on the next few hours
[16:49] <cjwatson> this is unfortunately the day I need to leave early-ish, although I can be semi-around from the phone
[16:49] <ev> I'm around late tonight if we need help with CD testing
[16:50] <barry> i can do cd testing as well
[16:51] <cjwatson> ok, any extra hands on ISO testing will definitely be appreciated at this rate
[16:51] <cjwatson> thanks, everyone
[16:51] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:51] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:51.
[16:51] <mvo> thanks
[16:51] <slangasek> thanks!
[16:51] <barry> thanks! /me -> lunch
[16:52] <ev> thanks!
[16:52] <james_w> thanks
[16:52] <tremolux> thanks all
[16:58]  * marjo waves
[16:58]  * sbeattie waves
[16:58]  * ara waves
[16:59]  * bladernr_ waves
[16:59]  * fader_ waves.
[16:59] <pedro_> hello folks
[16:59] <marjo> #startmeeting QA Team Meeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:59. The chair is marjo.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <marjo> hi folks
[17:00] <marjo> welcome to the meeting!
[17:00] <marjo> [TOPIC] Agenda
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[17:00] <marjo> # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[17:00] <marjo> # Bug Day status -- pvillavi
[17:00] <marjo> # Ubiquity testing -- ara
[17:00] <marjo> [TOPIC] SRU testing - sbeattie
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing - sbeattie
[17:00] <sbeattie> SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2010-03-10):
[17:00] <sbeattie> * karmic: 5 new packages in -proposed (app-install-data-partner, get-iplayer, poppler, python-apt, tzdata) and 6 packages pushed to -updates (ddclient, ec2-init, logcheck, recordmydesktop, tzdata, xorg-server)
[17:00] <sbeattie> * jaunty: 3 new packages in -proposed (kdepim, python-apt, tzdata) and 2 packages pushed to -updates (cups, tzdata)
[17:00] <sbeattie> * intrepid: 2 new packages in -proposed (python-apt, tzdata) and 1 package pushed to -updates (tzdata)
[17:00] <sbeattie> * hardy: 4 new packages in -proposed (libvirt, nfs-utils, python-apt, tzdata) and 2 package pushed to -updates (cupsys, tzdata)
[17:00] <sbeattie> * dapper: 1 new package in -proposed (langpack-locales) and 1 package pushed to -updates (langpack-locales)
[17:01] <sbeattie> Thanks to Chris Allen, Kamus, and pedro_ for testing SRUs this week.
[17:01] <sbeattie> any questions about SRUs?
[17:01] <Riddell> there are a load of package in unapproved
[17:01] <Riddell> been there for over a week
[17:02] <sbeattie> Riddell: you mean waiting to be accepted into -proposed?
[17:02] <Riddell> yes
[17:02] <sbeattie> Any idea why?
[17:02] <Riddell> presumably because whoever it ment to accept them was busy on other things
[17:03] <Riddell> pitti probably
[17:03] <pedro_> nudge pitti? ;-)
[17:03] <pedro_> heh
[17:03] <sbeattie> Heh, okay. I expect he was busy with someother irrelavent thing. :-)
[17:04] <marjo> sbeattie: can you please follow up w/ pitti, just to make sure?
[17:04] <sbeattie> marjo: will do.
[17:05] <marjo> [ACTION] sbeattie to nudge pitti re: SRU packages waiting to be accepted into -proposed
[17:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sbeattie to nudge pitti re: SRU packages waiting to be accepted into -proposed
[17:05] <marjo> any other questions on SRU?
[17:05] <marjo> [TOPIC] Bug Day status -- pvillavi
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Day status -- pvillavi
[17:05] <marjo> aka pedro_
[17:05] <pedro_> On Wednesday 10 we celebrated a Samba bug day and the next day Thursday 11 we had one based on Ubiquity: In total ~225 bugs were triaged during those days
[17:06] <pedro_> \o/!
[17:06] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100310 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100311
[17:06] <marjo> pedro_ nice!
[17:06] <sbeattie> pedro_: sweet!
[17:06] <fader_> Wow, nice!
[17:06] <pedro_> Thanks a lot to our hug days heroes: yofel, timofey-solomko, monkey-libre, charlie-tca, kamusin and thekorn
[17:06] <bladernr_> woot
[17:06] <pedro_> you guys are *amazing*
[17:06] <pedro_> Tomorrow! we're having a bug day based on Gwibber
[17:07] <marjo> thx folks! nice job!
[17:07] <pedro_> so if you like the microblogging scene you're going to love it
[17:07] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100318
[17:08] <marjo> how come sometimes mootbot recognizes https, sometimes not?
[17:08] <pedro_> So either you can to triage or file bugs about the application
[17:08] <pedro_> anything is more than welcome
[17:08]  * pedro_ kicks MootBot
[17:08] <pedro_> if you have some time and want to learn a bit more about bug triage join us, we'll be glad to help you to start
[17:08] <mathiaz> pedro_: hey - was planning on organizing a bug for MySQL
[17:09] <mathiaz> pedro_: on Tuesday March 30th
[17:09] <cr3> mathiaz: mysql has no bugs :)
[17:09] <pedro_> mathiaz, sure!
[17:09] <pedro_> mathiaz, i'll add it to the planning page and ping you later for a review of the hug day page
[17:09] <mathiaz> cr3: hm - bug *day*
[17:09] <mathiaz> pedro_: thanks!
[17:09] <pedro_> mathiaz, my pleasure! ;-)
[17:09] <pedro_> marjo, that's all from here
[17:10] <marjo> any other questions on bug days?
[17:10] <marjo> [TOPIC] Ubiquity testing -- ara
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubiquity testing -- ara
[17:11] <ara> Well, that was a topic from last week meeting, but, I would use the opportunity to thank everyone who participate in this testing
[17:11] <marjo> ara: anything or wait till next week?
[17:11] <ara> any feedback? things that can be improved in the following weeks?
[17:12] <fader_> ara: It seemed quite straightforward to me the little bit that I participated, but it may be because it's very similar to normal ISO testing
[17:12] <ara> fader_, yes, it is more or less the same, but with less testcases :)
[17:12] <marjo> fader_ that was the plan
[17:12] <fader_> Then it worked quite well from my perspective :)
[17:12] <marjo> fader_ thx!
[17:13] <marjo> [TOPIC] Lucid Beta 1 Testing
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lucid Beta 1 Testing
[17:14] <charlie-tca__> If we are going to do pairwise on OEM Xubuntu, shouldn't it be added to the iso test tracker, too?
[17:14] <ara> charlie-tca__, well, the ISO tracker is a tool that the release team use to decide if a set of isos are ready for release
[17:15] <ara> charlie-tca__, therefore, for a testcase to enter there, it must be approved by the release team
[17:15] <charlie-tca__> Why are we doing ubiquity testing on a testcase that is never tested, then?
[17:16] <ara> charlie-tca__, because the test cases were generated automatically
[17:16] <charlie-tca__> Okay
[17:16] <ara> charlie-tca__, and because it is a different kind of test, it can raise problems in ubiquity that affect other flavours as well
[17:18] <marjo> folks: we are testing Lucid Beta 1
[17:18] <marjo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:18] <marjo> please help out with some of those ISOs
[17:18] <marjo> we'd really appreciate it for high quality Beta 1!
[17:19] <marjo> any new business for today?
[17:19]  * cr3 raises hand
[17:19] <marjo> cr3: you have the virtual floor
[17:20] <cr3> if anyone's interested, we're gathering extensive bootchart information for lots of systems in certification available here: http://people.canonical.com/~cr3/daily-bootcharts/
[17:20] <marjo> cr3: yes, thanks for sharing that
[17:20] <cr3> this is meant to be an extension to the work already done by keybuk: http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/
[17:22] <marjo> folks: any other new business for today?
[17:22] <cr3> that's it for me, anyone else?
[17:22] <marjo> the gentleman yields the floor
[17:22] <fader_> It looks like the boot times are dropping over the past few weeks, nice
[17:22] <fader_> For the most part, anyway
[17:23] <cr3> fader_: it might be nice to have a sum of all boot times
[17:23] <fader_> cr3: It'd be difficult to normalize though :/
[17:23] <marjo> cr3: or some kind of a trend indicator
[17:24] <cr3> there are lots of tweaks that can be done, that's for sure
[17:24] <fader_> Maybe on a per-machine basis... I'm not convinced averaging the time across all machines is useful (but I could be wrong)
[17:24] <marjo> fader: first pass normalization would be based on system type and/or drive type?
[17:24] <sbeattie> would be nice to graph rrdbtool style over time.
[17:24] <cr3> fader_: the point would be to determine whether a particular build has shown any improvements across the board
[17:24] <sbeattie> on a per-hardware basis.
[17:24] <fader_> marjo: Yeah, I think per system would be good and then choose a representational set of systems to distill down to
[17:25] <cr3> sbeattie: we'd have that if rsvg worked on lucid
[17:25] <fader_> Hehe
[17:25] <sbeattie> cr3: obviously, just need you to submit a patch. :-)
[17:26] <marjo> any more new topics?
[17:27] <marjo> if not, back to Beta1 testing!
[17:27] <marjo> going once
[17:27] <marjo> twice
[17:27] <marjo> meeting adjourned
[17:27] <marjo> #endmeeting
[17:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:27.
[17:27] <fader_> Thanks all
[17:27] <marjo> thx everyone!
[17:27] <pedro_> thank you!
[17:28] <sbeattie> thanks!
[19:00] <highvoltage> howdy
[19:00] <alkisg> Hello people
[19:01] <Lns> hi
[19:01] <mgariepy> hi
[19:02]  * stgraber waves
[19:03] <highvoltage> tonight is also anEC meeting
[19:03] <highvoltage> we're doing edubuntu-dev votes, since edubuntu-dev is now approved
[19:04] <highvoltage> but let's start with technical!
[19:04] <highvoltage> I'll just post some bullets from my side...
[19:05] <highvoltage> * LiveCD is still without squashfs, I emailed lamont about it but haven't received a reply, I'm not sure whether he's actually around atm
[19:05] <highvoltage> * GDM background is fixed, missing icons in breathe-theme isnow fixed...
[19:06] <highvoltage> * LTSP live script works when an image is available
[19:06] <highvoltage> (I just tested it via sshfs on the livecd)
[19:07] <highvoltage> * LTSP installer script is in progress, although the current add-in script for ubiquity currently freezes it. (hoping to get that fixed this week)
[19:07] <highvoltage> that's it from me
[19:08] <alkisg> Wow, lots of stuff
[19:08] <alkisg> Nice work highvoltage, thanks! :)
[19:08] <highvoltage> I wish I could say pleasure but I'm not doing close to enough or even fast enough :(
[19:09] <highvoltage> Beta is looming and I would've liked us to have more done. I still think we can make it if we can get that squashfs image in
[19:09] <highvoltage> thanks for the encouragement alkisg :)
[19:10] <highvoltage> alkisg, Lns, sbalneav, mgariepy: any technical updates from your side?
[19:10] <alkisg> From my side, fat clients are working fine now with local disks / permissions and everything... some programs don't run with sshfs (e.g. evolution) so I implemented an NFS_HOME lts.conf variable for it
[19:11] <alkisg> I also made an ltsp-build-client plugin for it (install nfs-kernel-server, add /home to exports etc), not sure if we'd want it upstream...
[19:12] <highvoltage> alkisg: cool
[19:12] <highvoltage> alkisg: when the new site is up, I think we should perhaps feature your implementation as an example, if you don't mind
[19:12] <mgariepy> on my side there is nothing.
[19:13] <Lns> I don't have anything this week :( been trying to keep up with testing out fatclients / localapps on my side since i'm an LTS follower..I've been making notes though, hopefully they'll be useful sometime soon
[19:13] <highvoltage> Lns: heh, ok :)
[19:14] <highvoltage> shall we move on to the EC part?
[19:14]  * highvoltage highlights stgraber 
[19:14] <highvoltage> we need a quorum of 4, so we have me, alkisg and stgraber. we need one more
[19:16]  * Lns reaises his hand if nobody else a bit more involved would want to first
[19:16] <highvoltage> oh right, we have Lns (sorry)
[19:16] <Lns> =p
[19:16] <stgraber> yeah, I'm around
[19:16] <stgraber> kind of
[19:16] <highvoltage> and nixternal should be around as well
[19:17] <highvoltage> well, I happen to be first on the list, my wiki page is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter with my edubuntu-dev application
[19:17] <highvoltage> I'm a MOTU and have worked with packaging for a while and I'm very familiar with the Edubuntu project, can't think of a reason I shouldn't be edubuntu-dev. Any questions?
[19:18]  * alkisg thinks highvoltage has done enough packaging work and is one of the most involved persons in edubuntu-land, so nope, no questions at all :)
[19:19] <Lns> ditto =)
[19:20] <highvoltage> well, I give myself a +1 :)
[19:20] <alkisg> +1 too
[19:20] <stgraber> +1
[19:21] <dhillon-v10> hi all :)
[19:21] <highvoltage> hi vish
[19:21] <highvoltage> I mean, hi dhillon-v10!
[19:21] <Lns> +1
[19:21] <highvoltage> yay!
[19:21] <highvoltage> highvoltage: congratulations me
[19:21] <Lns> woohoo =)
[19:21] <highvoltage> ok next is alkisg
[19:21] <alkisg> Congrats, first edubuntu-dev member!
[19:22] <highvoltage> hehe
[19:22] <alkisg> Here's my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlkisGeorgopoulos
[19:22] <alkisg> I've made a few packages of my own, and I think I'm able to patch/modify existing packages without breaking them... I also have some experience in C/shell, so I think I could help in some edubuntu-related projects
[19:23] <alkisg> I'm no MOTU, but I'm upstream for LTSP, and since I'm a teacher, I'll be around for a long time... :)
[19:23] <highvoltage> +1
[19:23] <Lns> +1
[19:23] <stgraber> +1
[19:23] <highvoltage> (especially since I'm sure alkisg will always ask before doing something he's unsure about)
[19:23] <alkisg> Yup
[19:23] <alkisg> Thank you guys
[19:23]  * stgraber notes it's a bit silly because all of us are EC and so are already edubuntu-dev ;)
[19:23] <sbalneav> here
[19:24] <sbalneav> sorry, had problems with cheque printing in the acconting system :(
[19:24] <alkisg> Too many zeroes?
[19:24] <highvoltage> stgraber: heh, probably. so technically when an EC member applies we should just be able to approve them since they're already a member?
[19:24] <sbalneav> alkisg: No, no cheques printing at all :(
[19:24] <stgraber> highvoltage: yeah, according to LP, there's currently a total of 7 active members in edubuntu-dev
[19:25] <alkisg> Bah, I was hoping you'd mail me an 1.000.000$ cheque... :-/
[19:25] <stgraber> highvoltage: only direct membership is edubuntu-ec but it basically gives us all the membership by default :)
[19:25] <highvoltage> heh ok sorry for wasting a few minutes :)
[19:25] <highvoltage> we do have one real application though!
[19:25]  * alkisg noticed that he had upload rights for some time now...
[19:25] <highvoltage> dhillon-v10's
[19:25] <dhillon-v10> :)
[19:25] <sbalneav> alkisg: If you think I'm mailing *YOU* a million dollar cheque before *I* get one, you got another think coming :) I mean, I like you and all, but c'mon :)
[19:25] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dhillonv10
[19:26] <dhillon-v10> thanks highvoltage :) yeah that's the link
[19:26] <highvoltage> dhillon-v10's application is also a no-brainer to me, his enthusiasm and long packaging history would make him a good edubuntu developer, +1
[19:26] <sbalneav> Yeah, I beleive I approved him for the bugsquad, no brainer here, +1
[19:27] <dhillon-v10> thanks again, guys like I have on the wiki, I have screwed up so much that I no I can do a lot to help here :)
[19:27] <dhillon-v10> * know
[19:27] <Lns> +1, he's been in the chans for a while and has a good reputation with others
[19:27] <stgraber> +1 based on the packages I saw on revu and presence in meetings
[19:27] <sbalneav> Hey, fall down 99 times, get up 100.  Screw-ups are never a problem, only give-ups
[19:28]  * Lns gives sbalneav the pom-poms
[19:28] <dhillon-v10> sbalneav: well putt :) that's actually going on my facebook today
[19:28] <highvoltage> dhillon-v10: well that's it, you're now an official edubuntu developer
[19:28] <dhillon-v10> yay, thanks a ton to everyone :)
[19:28] <highvoltage> dhillon-v10: congratulations and welcome :)
[19:29] <sbalneav> Lns: Oooh, do I get a mini-skirt and a tight sweater too?
[19:29] <dhillon-v10> highvoltage: thanks :) you have been a great help
[19:29] <sbalneav> dhillon-v10: congrats, and wellcome to the asylum :)
[19:29] <Lns> sbalneav: sure! Just be sure to wear it proudly
[19:29] <Lns> congrats dhillon-v10 =)
[19:29] <alkisg> +1, sorry I was afk for a minute
[19:29] <dhillon-v10> thanks Lns :)
[19:29] <sbalneav> Lns: I was LTSP's booth babe for years when we used to have a booth at linux world.
[19:30] <dhillon-v10> alkisg: :) np thanks
[19:30] <sbalneav> Shakin' what my momma gave me.  My momma's a generous woman.
[19:30] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: if you don't mind, can you stay after the meeting for like 2 mins.
[19:30] <Lns> hahaha
[19:30] <highvoltage> dhillon-v10: pleasure!
[19:30] <highvoltage> any other matters?
[19:31] <dhillon-v10> ooh me o/
[19:31] <highvoltage> not that I want to rush things but I'm behind with some work I need to tend to :)
[19:31] <dhillon-v10> alright this one's regarding idea torrent
[19:31]  * highvoltage hands the mic to dhillon-v10 
[19:31] <highvoltage> idea torrent?
[19:31] <dhillon-v10> highvoltage: thanks :)
[19:31] <dhillon-v10> yeah, oops that was for stgraber nvm :)
[19:31] <dhillon-v10> sorry about that
[19:32] <dhillon-v10> highvoltage: go on with the meeting
[19:32] <highvoltage> heh, ok. That's rather confusing :)
[19:32] <dhillon-v10> highvoltage: yeah, sorry I just forgot something
[19:34] <highvoltage> I think we need to discuss some community ideas, perhaps some days where we have some events again, but let's do that next meeting. would be nice to have some events again that pulls us together
[19:34] <highvoltage> besides that, if there's nothing else we can dismiss?
[19:35] <dhillon-v10> thanks for the support everyone :)
[19:35] <sbalneav> I've been very busy lately, my apologies.  Year end at government agencies is always very hellish.
[19:35] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yep, that time of the year
[19:36] <highvoltage> well, thanks everyone! it's always good to have a good turn-out for the meeting, hopefully we'll have some real good news on the technical front for the next meeting!
[19:36] <highvoltage> let's move over to #edubuntu, I'll post the meeting notes to the list.
[19:36] <alkisg> Thanks all :)
[19:37] <Lns> thanks =)