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micahgchrisccoulson: wow, you keep crazy hours like me :)02:39
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, i normally sleep quite late ;)02:39
chrisccoulsonbut i'm going to go to bed shortly02:39
micahgchrisccoulson: BTW, you can do a release commit as well if you like02:40
chrisccoulsonyeah, can do. i'll do that now02:40
chrisccoulsonmicahg, that's done now. i put the tarball here too: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/02:49
micahgchrisccoulson: great, thanks, I'll see if I can get someone to upload once I merge it in02:50
chrisccoulsonthanks02:50
micahgchrisccoulson: I'm working on a merge for conkeror from debian right now02:50
chrisccoulsonanyway, i must get some sleep now :)02:50
micahgchrisccoulson: night, thanks02:50
chrisccoulsongood night02:50
ddecatormy head hurts...02:56
ddecatormicahg: i have no idea what's causing the problem...02:59
ddecatorthe rules file looks like it points to /deps, but then debuild looks in /deps/checkout03:08
micahgddecator: there's a foreach loop there03:08
ddecatormicahg: didn't know that was a loop03:09
ddecatorstill not seeing where it would look in checkout for the linux-x86_64 folder, but my understanding of code is pretty basic03:11
micahgddecator: each of these dirs: checkout build linux-$(MACHINE) under here: $(SRC_DIR)/deps have mkdir -p run against them03:14
ddecatormicahg: what does the -p argument do?03:15
micahgddecator: create parent dirs03:15
micahgthen later, it does into deps and decompresses a tarball03:15
micahgoops03:16
micahgI have that backwards03:16
micahgit creates a tarball03:16
ddecatorthe 'tar cf - linux-$(MACHINE)' part you mean?03:19
micahgyeah03:20
micahgit's failing on the line in between03:20
ddecatorok...03:21
ddecatorwell i say that it creates Makefile.songbird successfully, or at least there is a file in that folder by that name, but i'm not sure what the rest of the line is doing03:22
ddecators/say/see03:23
micahgddecator: no, make is a program that compiles songbird03:23
micahgddecator: or rather executes instructions that then run the compiler to be more precise03:25
ddecatormicahg: ah, ok, so it's running that file as part of the building process?03:25
micahgyep03:25
ddecatormicahg: ok, i'm not seeing anything in that make file that would cause that crash03:27
ddecatoroh wait...03:29
micahgddecator: check the Makefile.songbird and see if you can find the commands there03:29
ddecatorthe rules file point out a SB_VENDOR_BUILD_ROOT but the make file looks for SB_VENDOR_BUILD_DIR03:30
micahgthe makefile doesn't look for this at all: SB_VENDOR_BUILD_ROOT?03:31
ddecatormicahg: nope: cd $(SB_VENDOR_BUILD_DIR) && $(CMAKE) $(CMAKE_ARGS) \03:31
micahgwell, you can modify the rules file then, but that's not where it's failing now03:32
ddecatorwell...the make file is looking for SB_RUN_CONFIGURE := 0 and the rules file has SB_VENDOR_GENERATE_SYMBOLS=0 but idk if those are related...03:33
micahgddecator: it's failing on a find isn't it?03:34
ddecatormicahg: the only "find" in the makefile is this: $(FIND) $(SB_CONFIGURE_PREFIX) -name '*_c.*' -exec rm -v {} \;03:35
micahgnope03:36
ddecatorit fails after the end of the makefile...03:40
ddecatorno...i'm extremely confused right now03:45
ddecatorwell i definitely have a new appreciation for packagers and debuggers...06:00
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nikolamhi. Do you think Seamonkey 2.0 coould be imported in repositories now? There is working 2.0.3 for all supported Ubuntu releases, available on Joe Lesko PPA : https://launchpad.net/~joe-nationnet/+archive/ppa-seamonkey211:31
nikolamBug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/46186411:32
ubottuUbuntu bug 461864 in seamonkey "Add Seamonkey 2.0 to Ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:32
nikolamHow to make it happen in repositories?11:32
nikolamWhat might be the procedure for that?11:32
asacchrisccoulson: for thunderbird you have to put the upstream tar.bz2 in the checked out bzr tree ... and run the create-orig-source thing or whatever that rule is called13:51
asacchrisccoulson: anything you need while i am still online in the airport lounge?13:55
chrisccoulsonhi asac13:55
asachi13:55
chrisccoulsoni think i'm ok for the time being. micahg merged the security updates in to bzr last night13:55
asacchrisccoulson: did you figure how to create the +nobinonly tarball from the upstream tarball?13:56
asacchrisccoulson: hmm. ok i think i should generate the tarball and sponsor it to the security ppa13:56
asacprobably makes most sense13:56
asacif you want to put the orig.tar.gz somewhere thats even better (or in your own ppa)13:56
asace.g. you could put this in your ppa and i can source copy it to the security ppa13:57
chrisccoulsonasac - i put the tarball at http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/13:57
asacchrisccoulson: you could really upload it to your ppa ,)13:57
asaci would check an source copy it13:57
chrisccoulsonyeah, i will do that13:58
asacthen we do one more security round for ffox xul and then i add you to the security ppa team13:58
asaccool13:58
chrisccoulsonit will take a little while though13:58
chrisccoulsonthanks :)13:58
asacchrisccoulson: well. i will be on the plane ;)13:58
asacwill not be back online until like 2100 UTC13:58
asacso take your time ;)13:58
chrisccoulsonheh, i will probably have faster upload bandwidth than you while you are flying ;)13:58
asacright.13:59
chrisccoulsonok, i'll do that this afternoon anyway13:59
asacso when we did that we should someone resurrect the idea to announce such uploads on some blogs/mailing list, so we pick up more security ppa users again ;)13:59
asacmaybe think about doing that ;)13:59
chrisccoulsonyeah, that sounds like a good idea13:59
asacthe standard notion is:13:59
asacsecurity ppa is usually safe because only stable updates go there13:59
asacbut its really important and users can make a difference. if they discover a bug they help millions of users ;)14:00
asacchrisccoulson: i think i should have mails i sent usually14:00
asacwill get such a mail when home ;)(14:01
chrisccoulsonthanks14:01
chrisccoulsonwhich list did you normally send the mails too?14:01
chrisccoulson(i could check the archive)14:01
asaci think ubuntu-mozillateam ;)14:01
chrisccoulsonah, i'll have a look there14:01
chrisccoulsonthansk14:01
asacbut i probably stopped a year ago or so (basically when i stopped doing backports)14:01
chrisccoulsons/thansk/thanks14:01
asace.g. when dapper went EOL14:01
asacjust was too busy ;) and we had quite a few users at that time14:02
asacbut everytime you dist-upgrade you automatically disable it again14:02
asacso we should constantly do that ;)14:02
micahghi chrisccoulson15:06
chrisccoulsonhi micahg15:06
micahgchrisccoulson: after I went to sleep I realized that I was only subscribe to 2 of the TB stable branches15:07
micahgI'm merging the other 2 now15:08
chrisccoulsonah, i did wonder why you only merged 2 ;)15:08
chrisccoulsoni'm just uploading the packages to my PPA now, and asac said he would copy them to the security PPA later15:08
micahgchrisccoulson: k, I guess he can source copy15:09
micahgchrisccoulson: can you do the same thing for seamonkey 1.1.19?15:09
chrisccoulsonyeah, can do15:10
micahgI'll push a seamonkey stable branch for karmic and use lp:seamonkey/1.1 for lulcid15:10
micahg*lucid15:10
micahgchrisccoulson: thunderbird all merged15:26
chrisccoulsonexcellent, thanks15:26
micahgchrisccoulson: I have to figure out if the same USN applies to seamonkey or a different one15:41
ftahi16:01
ftamicahg, m-d & tb2, i don't think so.16:01
micahgfta: k, so, same for seamonkey 1.1, right?16:01
ftamicahg, yep, but it's easy (if not trivial) to add the feature16:02
micahgfta: it's the last release for SM1.1 and probably TB2 as well, so I don't think it's worth it16:02
ftak16:03
fta!info chromium-browser lucid16:05
ubottuchromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.0.307.9~r39052-0ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 10920 kB, installed size 37380 kB16:05
ftadamn, why isn't 5.0.307.11 there16:06
ftapushed16:09
ftastrange.. i prepared it weeks ago but never pushed it16:10
ftaor it was rejected for some reason16:10
ftaor lost16:10
ftaasac, jdstrand: will _full_ updates of chromium be allowed even after release or what?16:13
micahgfta: they're both not here16:14
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BUGabundo_remotefta: aint that against FF and release guidelines?16:28
ftaBUGabundo_remote, ??16:29
BUGabundo_remote(2010-03-17 16:13:03) fta: asac, jdstrand: will _full_ updates of chromium be allowed even after release or what?16:29
ftaBUGabundo_remote, my question is how to maintain ch after lucid is out16:29
BUGabundo_remoteah16:30
ftathe only thing i can do is continue to push full updates in sync with the beta channel, then stable channel16:30
ftabut noway i have the time/resources to identify and backport fixes16:30
ftaif the later is required, then i have to give up16:31
fta+t16:31
BUGabundo_remoteI understand fta16:40
BUGabundo_remoteand get upstream to help on that task?16:40
ftathey are busy too, they will just point users to their builds16:41
BUGabundo_remotebut we are a distro16:43
BUGabundo_remotenot users16:43
ejatfta .. just wondering .. when will it support pdf ?17:09
ftapdf plugin?17:11
ftawhen i click on a pdf, it works like ff, i.e. i get my preferred pdf viewer17:11
jcastrofta: it would make sense that we should do for chromium what we do for FF and follow the stable release channel - upstream isn't going to support old-stable stuff17:12
ejatfta: is it can be view like ff .. inside the browser17:13
ftajcastro, yep, that's the plan, but no stable for linux yet, hence the beta channel17:13
jcastroright, I mean eventually17:13
ftaejat, no idea, there's probably an upstream bug17:14
jcastrobut if it goes stable after lucid is out we should probably update what's in the archive and just follow -stable at that point.17:14
ejatfta : http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=11551 :(17:14
ejat .. /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.14 <-- inside my adobe reader17:20
ejatfor HTML rendering library .. is it correct?17:20
BUGabundo_remoteejat: why do ppl like _stuff_ inside their browsers?? I know I've always pulled everything I could OUT of them... I wish I could do the same with html5/flash videos17:21
* ejat just asking .. 17:22
BUGabundo_remotefta: so if lucid *LTS* is going with ch4/5 and with the hugelly fast release cycle ch has17:22
BUGabundo_remotehow do you plan to support ch im lucid?17:22
BUGabundo_remotestop providing new versions, once ch4/5 hits EOL?17:22
BUGabundo_remoteejat: I'm also asking. I would like to understand that too17:23
ftaBUGabundo_remote, nope, just follow beta (then stable), disregarding the version number17:25
BUGabundo_remoteahh17:25
BUGabundo_remoteand you just don't do that with FF, cause Mozilla doesn't want us to?17:26
ftai thought asac wanted to do the same for ff17:26
ftagoogle supports the latest LTS so it should work17:27
ftathe question is what happens when two LTS overlaps17:28
fta-s17:28
BUGabundo_remoteeheh17:40
BUGabundo_remotegood luck with that17:40
BUGabundo_remote:p17:40
mahfouztwo LTS overlapping is like a solar eclipse18:11
micahgmahfouz: why?  it gives people a year to migrate :)18:12
mahfouzrly?18:12
mahfouzdidn't know that18:13
mahfouzI always upgrade to alpha :)18:13
micahgfor desktops at least18:13
micahgon servers people can skip 1 LTS release and still have a year to upgrade18:15
* micahg waits for beta to upgrade desktop and release for server18:16
mahfouzthen it's more like a divorce where you are in separation for 1 year and only then re-marry18:17
chrisccoulsonmicahg - you're not running lucid yet?18:18
micahgchrisccoulson: no, I'll upgrade over the weekend, why?18:18
chrisccoulsonoh, i was just a bit surprised that you weren't just yet ;)18:19
micahgchrisccoulson: I wait for beta as this is my main machine18:19
chrisccoulsoni suppose it's probably more difficult for me not to run lucid, with the other components i work on18:19
micahgand yes, I don't have to dogfood the desktop packages :)18:19
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's why i need to run lucid really18:20
chrisccoulsonit would be very difficult for me if i didn't ;)18:20
micahgchrisccoulson: I've been running Firefox 3.6 though since beta 1 or 2 :)18:20
chrisccoulsoni shall probably need to start running the early beta's too ;)18:20
mahfouzI might not have installed if I would have known about the network manager problems18:24
mahfouzwpa2 connections such18:24
mahfouzsuck18:24
mahfouzthere is a very nasty bug there18:24
dimitri__i have a thunderbird problem using imap mail someone help me please20:27
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BUGabundoasac:22:32
BUGabundo(2010-03-17 22:26:25) _Groo_: i found out why some 3g modems arent showing up in network manager22:32
BUGabundo(2010-03-17 22:27:02) _Groo_: BUGabundo: its not actually a bug but a priority order22:32
BUGabundo(2010-03-17 22:27:30) _Groo_: BUGabundo: 3g isnt showing up because modemmanager is getting called AFTER networkmanager is already running22:32
BUGabundo(2010-03-17 22:29:26) _Groo_: BUGabundo: the problem is AFTER the 3g is up and running (like seen in dmesg, usb 2-3: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB0 gos up and all), nm-applet NEVER shows up the 3g22:32
BUGabundo(2010-03-17 22:30:02) _Groo_: BUGabundo: the cure is to stop nm, kill -9 modemmanager, get it um first and restart nm22:32
BUGabundo(2010-03-17 22:30:29) _Groo_: BUGabundo: this will make 3g show up in NM applet22:32
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gnomefreakpiority order is a bug sometimes23:12
gnomefreakpriority even23:13
BUGabundofta: ch snapping23:19
BUGabundofta: like this page http://www.cyanogenmod.com/downloads/audio-resources23:19
BUGabundofta: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=3846723:32
BUGabundofta: http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/native-client-and-web-portability.html  isn't our build already native on 64bits?23:34
gnomefreak76@whoami23:50
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gnomefreak76:)23:50
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