[01:03] <marjo_> sbeattie: ping
[01:23] <wrst> hi guys i'm trying out lucid and after install i'm greeted with no gdm just terminal log in. on a laptop with ati video, broadcom wireless. it worked fine utnil i updated over the weekend
[01:29] <charlie-tca__> Try Alt+F7
[01:29] <charlie-tca__> It should switch to gdm and log in
[01:30]  * charlie-tca__ hates when they leave like that
[07:44] <slangasek> ara: sorry for the false starts, but we should finally have a set of good candidate ISOs up for beta-1
[07:44] <slangasek> just waiting for DVDs (incl. edubuntu) and armel to finish building
[07:56] <sbeattie> mvo: hrm, upgrade from hardy is failing, complaining about an unresolvable problem trying to install the blacklisted package openoffice.org-filter-binfilter
[07:56] <mvo> sbeattie: ha! good
[07:56] <mvo> bug #516727
[07:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516727 in openoffice.org (Debian) (and 4 other projects) "breaks dist-upgrade: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle. (affects: 11)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516727
[07:56] <mvo> sbeattie: the workaround is to remove openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, a new OOo upload will fix it after beta-1
[07:57] <sbeattie> okay, thanks, will workaround. Your blacklist works. :-)
[07:58] <mvo> yeah, in this case a early abort is better
[09:25] <PetrolCB> what can I do to help?
[09:30] <sbeattie> mvo: hit bug 540125 testing an upgrade from hardy->lucid.
[09:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 540125 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "upgrade errored on xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg dependencies (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540125
[09:31] <mvo> sbeattie: *urgh* thanks, that looks nasty
[09:34] <persia> PetrolCB: Hey.  Welcome.
[09:34] <persia> PetrolCB: You probably want to start by registering for an account at qa.ubuntu.com
[09:35] <persia> PetrolCB: In preparation for the Beta release, the current focus is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
[09:36] <persia> PetrolCB: The basic procedures are outlined at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[09:38] <PetrolCB> persia: heh, that someone turned out to be you :) thanks, I'll get right on it
[09:38] <persia> PetrolCB: Thanks for the help.
[09:44] <mvo> sbeattie: could you please attach your original /var/lib/dpkg/status (if that is still available from a backup?)
[09:46] <sbeattie> mvo: from before the upgrade? Hrm, I don't think I have it, sorry; but I'll start capturing /etc/ before upgrade tests.
[09:46] <sbeattie> mvo: for background, the system was installed from dapper to hardy, then hardy to lucid.
[09:47] <sbeattie> before upgrading to hardy, I installed the binary packages that are still supported under dapper.
[09:47] <mvo> sbeattie: thanks, I think its "just" a bug in initramfs-tools/module-init-tools
[09:48] <mvo> initially I got 10 new gray hairs because I thought that the ordering of the dpkg runs was wrong, but it turns out its actually a trigger for initramfs fialing
[09:48] <mvo> Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
[09:48] <mvo> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-27-generic
[09:48] <mvo> cpio: ./etc/modprobe.d/arch-aliases: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[09:48] <mvo> that is a known bug, the fix is uploaded, but apparently not available yet
[09:51] <sbeattie> okay, cool.
[09:51]  * sbeattie heads to bed.
[09:51] <mvo> good night!
[09:52] <mvo> and thanks for the test
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[12:07] <shadeslayer> hi i want to participate in testing the daily amd64 kubuntu live iso
[12:07] <shadeslayer> any specific stuff i have to do?
[12:09] <shadeslayer> i used zsync to update my alpha iso to the latest daily...i guess im all set to go?
[12:10] <davmor2> shadeslayer: the tests can be located here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com you'll need to sign up for an account and then away you go
[12:11] <shadeslayer> davmor2: i have a account there too :)
[12:11] <davmor2> that's it then pick a test select started an then just get on with it :)
[12:12] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures may also help
[12:12] <shadeslayer> davmor2: ok one last thing,should i expect plymouth to start without graphics card drivers?
[12:12] <shadeslayer> i heard the open source nvidia drivers are default now
[12:13] <davmor2> if x is started then plymouth will work the drivers are in the kernel
[12:13] <persia> Hrm?
[12:14] <persia> If there are no kms drivers, plymouth will just use text mode.
[12:14] <shadeslayer> persia: okies
[12:14] <persia> That's independent of whether X has drivers (although this only matters for corner-case hardware)
[12:16] <shadeslayer> can i delete my account from iso.qa ? my username has a typo :P
[12:20] <shadeslayer> ah nvm... made a new one :)
[12:22] <shadeslayer> how do i state that ive started the iso test?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> oh found it
[12:23] <shadeslayer> ok lets see if this works :)
[12:24] <shadeslayer> btw does anyone know if ubiquity works fine in manual partitioning mode?
[12:27] <davmor2> no why don't you try it?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> davmor2: ok!
[12:27] <shadeslayer> davmor2: yeah i was going through the kubuntu devel ml
[12:28] <shadeslayer> just incase if there was a bug :)
[12:28] <davmor2> why would installer stuff be on the kubuntu-devel list?
[12:28] <shadeslayer> davmor2: hmmm? i mean there was a issue with ubiquity kde in alpha 3
[12:29] <shadeslayer> manual partitioning didnt work :)
[12:29] <shadeslayer> ok ill irc from lucid now :D
[12:33] <shadeslayer> im on lucid
[12:33] <shadeslayer> and its AMAZING!!!
[12:33] <shadeslayer> plymouth is wonderful!!!
[12:34] <shadeslayer> ok now getting back to buisness....any specific test cases apart from the one mentioned in the wiki?
[12:34] <davmor2> But I live in Wolverhampton I don't want to be in plymouth ;)
[12:35] <shadeslayer> davmor2: lol......
[12:38] <czajkowski> davmor2: why would you want to be in Wolverhampton!
[12:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: beacause it's the city of DREAMS!
[12:38] <cr3> czajkowski: because it sounds like wolverine, isn't that reason enough?
[12:39] <davmor2> hi cr3 fader_
[12:39] <czajkowski> cr3: only in your head :p
[12:39] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude
[12:40] <davmor2> fader_: I got a test in today and now the iso's need respinning
[12:40] <davmor2> remind me why do I break iso's
[12:40] <fader_> davmor2: Way to go... stop breaking the builds!
[12:43]  * davmor2 blames fader_ for not testing it properly :P
[12:44] <czajkowski> grin
[12:44] <czajkowski> davmor2: you just break things!
[12:44] <fader_> Yeah, don't try to blame me for your problems!
[12:45]  * davmor2 pokes czajkowski with big stick to see if she breaks
[12:46] <davmor2> fader_: why not you blame cr3 when ever anything goes wrong
[12:46] <fader_> davmor2: That's different!
[12:46] <davmor2> fader_: No cr3 pays me to blame you to get his own back ;)
[12:47] <czajkowski> davmor2: don't make me come over there!
[12:48]  * davmor2 pokes czajkowski harder obviously I'm not poking hard enough to break her
[12:48] <fader_> czajkowski: I'll crouch down behind him and you push from the front.
[12:50] <davmor2> fader_: I'm more scared of czajkowski than you dude ;)
[12:50] <czajkowski> fader_: evil, I like it :)
[12:51] <fader_> :D
[12:57] <ara> hey all!
[12:59]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski it annoys her more than pain
[13:02] <czajkowski> oi
[13:02] <davmor2> see!
[13:22] <fader_> ara: Howdy!
[13:23] <ara> hey fader_!
[13:26] <shadeslayer> loads of gui bugs in kubuntu daily :D
[13:45] <Riddell> is someone on wubi testing duty today?
[13:45] <davmor2> Riddell: it's broke
[13:46] <Riddell> davmor2: ah well, better than being in an unknown state I guess :)
[13:46] <davmor2> Riddell: point evan at it earlier
[13:46] <Riddell> ara: the /topic is 4 months out of date :)
[13:47] <davmor2> Riddell: this is from -release earlier <cjwatson> ok, so installer problems so far with beta-1 are: 1) ^- this 2) enter kills X, maybe fixed by plymouth upgrade, testing 3) wubi was using wrong version numbers so was broken, needs respin
[13:48] <Riddell> and there I was last night dreaming of a nice smooth day of trouble free tests
[13:49] <davmor2> HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:49] <davmor2> oops did I just type that out aloud
[15:32] <DeadmanIncJS> hello
[15:32] <ara> hey DeadmanIncJS
[15:34] <DeadmanIncJS> im a nOOb to Linux
[15:34] <DeadmanIncJS> but would like to learn more about linux and how to contribute
[15:34] <DeadmanIncJS> <--not a fan of Windows anymore, hahah
[16:41] <charlie-tca__> upgrading with hardware drivers installed; the upgrade does not remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and the monitor shuts down during the boot.
[16:42] <charlie-tca__> The system autologs in to the desktop, but the monitor is off so the user doesn't know it.
[16:42] <charlie-tca__> removing the file lets the gdm come up and it works correctly
[16:42] <ara> charlie-tca__, nvidia?
[16:42] <charlie-tca__> yup
[16:43] <charlie-tca__> known?
[16:43] <charlie-tca__> Isn't that a security violation?
[16:44] <charlie-tca__> It only does auto-logins as long as the monitor is shut off
[16:45] <charlie-tca__> maybe it isn't logging in, I'm just confused...
[16:47] <charlie-tca__> Okay, this is bad. I added tomboy, then ran updates. It removed tomboy again
[16:53] <ara> how do you know is it logged in?
[16:57] <charlie-tca__> That is what makes me think I got confused. I ssh'd in and it goes to my /home directory. But I don't think it needs to log in to do that, right?
[16:58] <ara> charlie-tca__, right
[16:58] <charlie-tca__> Thanks
[18:07] <bladernr_> Hey, if I have an issue that occurs during login, causing X to crash and reset, any idea what package to file that under?
[18:08] <bladernr_> would that be a GDM problem, or an X problem?
[18:08] <bladernr_> or something else...
[18:08]  * bladernr_ is testing lucid alternative
[18:08] <davmor2> bladernr_: is it when you hit enter?
[18:08] <bladernr_> davmor2:  yes, but it only happens on the first attempt.
[18:09] <bladernr_> after X restarts, all is well
[18:09] <davmor2> Known bug I'll grab the number
[18:09] <bladernr_> cool  Thanks
[18:13] <davmor2> bladernr_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/537262 try that one
[18:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 537262 in plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 4 other projects) "plymouth pid missing from OMITPIDS and terminated by sendsigs (affects: 347) (dups: 17)" [High,Confirmed]
[18:13] <davmor2> sorry wrong one hang on
[18:14] <bladernr_> ok... I was just looking at bug 530781
[18:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 530781 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "x server crashes first time I'm asked for password (affects: 4)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530781
[18:14] <bladernr_> thought that one seems to have stalled after 10 march
[18:15] <bladernr_> s/though/thought
[18:15] <davmor2> no look at the rest of the post there are some added today
[18:16] <bladernr_> ?? all I can see is the activity log starts on the 2nd and ends on the 10th...
[18:16] <bladernr_> hrmmm
[18:16] <bladernr_> davmor2:  I was referring to 530781
[18:18] <bladernr_> ahhh... bug 532047 sounds better
[18:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 532047 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Plymouth text-mode splash causes X to crash on first run due to shared tty7 (affects: 158) (dups: 35)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532047
[18:18] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532047
[18:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 532047 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Plymouth text-mode splash causes X to crash on first run due to shared tty7 (affects: 158) (dups: 35)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:20] <davmor2> bladernr_: it was reproducible today
[18:20] <bladernr_> yeah... I just reproduced it myself a couple of times :)
[18:20] <bladernr_> I'll just mark them as affecting me and add a note
 ok, so installer problems so far with beta-1 are: 1) ^- this 2) enter kills X, maybe fixed by plymouth upgrade, testing 3) wubi was using wrong version numbers so was broken, needs respin
[18:27] <charlie-tca__> also should include trying to upgrade if running nvidia
[18:27] <charlie-tca__> nouveau refuses to allow the monitor to stay on if installed during the upgrade
[18:28] <davmor2> charlie-tca__: go poke bryceh
[18:28] <charlie-tca__> okay
[18:29] <davmor2> charlie-tca__: He might be able to point you in the right direction if nothing else