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| danilos | me | 16:02 |
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| Ursinha | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is Ursinha. | 16:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:02 |
| Ursinha | Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues. | 16:02 |
| Ursinha | no need to rush boss :) | 16:02 |
| Ursinha | me | 16:02 |
| allenap | me | 16:02 |
| sinzui | me | 16:02 |
| Ursinha | hehe | 16:02 |
| rockstar | I know, danilos is being a suckup | 16:02 |
| rockstar | me | 16:02 |
| matsubara | me | 16:02 |
| danilos | me again ;) | 16:02 |
| Ursinha | ok, so matsubara is in behalf of foundations and bigjools is half-here | 16:03 |
| danilos | rockstar, I'd use an \[ agreed\] on that :) | 16:03 |
| matsubara | Chex, hi | 16:03 |
| Ursinha | stub isn't here, so | 16:04 |
| danilos | half of bigjools is more than enough for anybody | 16:04 |
| Chex | matsubara: hello | 16:04 |
| matsubara | stub is excused from the meetings due to the time | 16:04 |
| Ursinha | [action] send email to stub about the dba report | 16:04 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: send email to stub about the dba report | 16:04 |
| Ursinha | matsubara: that's ok, I'll add a note in the MeetingAgenda page | 16:04 |
| Ursinha | so, we're all here | 16:04 |
| Ursinha | [TOPIC] Agenda * Actions from last meeting * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett) * DBA report (stub) * Proposed items | 16:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agenda * Actions from last meeting * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett) * DBA report (stub) * Proposed items | 16:04 |
| Ursinha | sigh | 16:05 |
| Ursinha | well, you got the idea :) | 16:05 |
| Ursinha | [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Actions from last meeting | 16:05 |
| Ursinha | * matsubara and/or Ursinha to add a count of untriaged bugs per team to the oops section | 16:05 |
| Ursinha | * Done, I have them here :) | 16:05 |
| Ursinha | * Chex to verify why oops-pruner is failing and reply to the failure email with more information. | 16:05 |
| ubottu | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=pruner | 16:05 |
| Ursinha | * This was fixed: spm removed checking from gangotri and added to wampee and soybean | 16:05 |
| Ursinha | * sinzui to work with losas to set the increase threshold for the product release finder monitoring script. | 16:06 |
| sinzui | Not done. I will follow up today | 16:06 |
| matsubara | oops-pruner action item was sorted out | 16:06 |
| ubottu | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=pruner | 16:06 |
| Ursinha | matsubara: I've added a note there :) | 16:06 |
| Ursinha | thanks ubottu | 16:06 |
| Ursinha | thanks sinzui | 16:06 |
| matsubara | oops, missed that :-) | 16:06 |
| Ursinha | [action] sinzui to follow up in work with losas to set the increase threshold for the product release finder monitoring script | 16:06 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: sinzui to follow up in work with losas to set the increase threshold for the product release finder monitoring script | 16:06 |
| Ursinha | matsubara: :) | 16:06 |
| Ursinha | next! | 16:07 |
| Ursinha | [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts | 16:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts | 16:07 |
| Ursinha | only one bug, bug 535071 | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 535071 in launchpad-foundations "Better error handling when librarian is offline" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535071 | 16:07 |
| Ursinha | matsubara: I only would like to ask if there's hope to fix this this cycle | 16:07 |
| Ursinha | matsubara: now that the LocationError bug is fixed, this is the next in the oops rank | 16:08 |
| matsubara | Ursinha, not sure, I'll bring it up with Gary to have it scheduled | 16:08 |
| Ursinha | (for reference: LocationError bug is bug 538207) | 16:08 |
| Ursinha | thanks matsubara | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 538207 in launchpad-foundations "Oops calling view/isRedirectInhibited from non-launchpadview" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538207 | 16:08 |
| Ursinha | [action] matsubara to talk to gary_poster about bug 535071 | 16:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: matsubara to talk to gary_poster about bug 535071 | 16:09 |
| matsubara | [action] matsubara to talk to Gary about scheduling bug 535071 | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 535071 in launchpad-foundations "Better error handling when librarian is offline" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535071 | 16:09 |
| Ursinha | all critical bugs are fix committed | 16:09 |
| matsubara | great, thanks Ursinha | 16:09 |
| Ursinha | and | 16:09 |
| Ursinha | I see that librarian-gc failed on 16, but haven't seen any other failures, will keep an eye | 16:09 |
| Ursinha | matsubara: any failing scripts I'm missing? | 16:09 |
| matsubara | nope, we already have an action item for prf | 16:10 |
| Ursinha | great, next! | 16:10 |
| Ursinha | will talk about the untriaged bugs in the Proposed items section | 16:10 |
| Ursinha | [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett) | 16:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett) | 16:10 |
| rockstar | Ursinha, you didn't bring up my critical bug... | 16:10 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: hmm I right before the meeting all critical bugs were fix committed... | 16:11 |
| Ursinha | s/I right/right/ | 16:11 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: hmm they are, which one is your critical bug? | 16:11 |
| rockstar | Ursinha, oh, well, yeah, it's fix committed, but a critical bug wouldn't be done 'til fix released (I'd figure) | 16:12 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: well, I always assumed that having it fixed, the devel would make it to the end.. are you having issues to have your fix cherrypicked? | 16:13 |
| rockstar | Ursinha, no, but I was just prepared to give my statement. If you don't need it, I'll shut up. :) | 16:14 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: c'mon :) | 16:14 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: go ahead, please | 16:15 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: ok ok | 16:16 |
| Ursinha | :) | 16:16 |
| Ursinha | Chex: hi :) stage is yours | 16:16 |
| * rockstar apologizes for interruption | 16:17 | |
| Chex | hello everyone | 16:18 |
| Chex | here is the LOSA report for this week, a bit brief: | 16:18 |
| * bigjools reads scrollback and throws wet fish at danilos | 16:18 | |
| Chex | - LP Memory Leaks: We have gone through a couple rounds of testing trying to track down these appserver memory leaks. | 16:19 |
| Chex | (Bug #531071) | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 531071 in launchpad-foundations "lpnet app servers are leaking memory again" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531071 | 16:19 |
| Chex | - Codebrowse crashes: We have a new debugging procedure to capture the python crashdump for now, we are | 16:20 |
| Chex | waiting for GDB debugger syntax give better crash info to the developers. | 16:21 |
| Chex | - LP incidents of note: ; LP Cherry-picks: | 16:21 |
| Chex | 16-Mar: CP 9091 to lpnet* | 16:21 |
| Chex | 18-Mar: CP 9093 to librarian2 | 16:22 |
| Chex | and thats it for this week. any comments/questions?? | 16:23 |
| Ursinha | I'm fine, anyone else? | 16:23 |
| danilos | Chex, nice, is there any process in place to escalate those crashes? | 16:23 |
| danilos | ok, I guess that's a no :) | 16:25 |
| danilos | or I am offline :) | 16:25 |
| Ursinha | danilos: you're not | 16:25 |
| Ursinha | or we're both on a parallel universe | 16:25 |
| Chex | danilos: not really, right now michael hudson asked us to trigger a coredump, and let me know where the file is, for now, and he will work on a GDB way of tracing | 16:25 |
| danilos | Chex, cool, so it's basically a per-request basis, right? iow it won't happen automatically when we get crashes | 16:26 |
| Chex | danilos: thats correct, he asked us to do this for now: ' gcore $loggerhead_pid ' | 16:27 |
| danilos | Chex, ok, thanks a lot, very useful to know if we ever come to need it (though, hopefully not) | 16:27 |
| Chex | danilos: yes sure. welcome | 16:28 |
| Ursinha | anything else? | 16:28 |
| Ursinha | I'll take that as a no :) | 16:28 |
| Ursinha | moving on | 16:28 |
| Ursinha | [TOPIC] * DBA report (stub) | 16:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * DBA report (stub) | 16:28 |
| Ursinha | stub is excused, I have an action for getting the report | 16:29 |
| Ursinha | next! | 16:29 |
| Ursinha | [TOPIC] * Proposed items | 16:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Proposed items | 16:29 |
| Ursinha | I have a few :) | 16:29 |
| Ursinha | * qa tagging: NEW! launchpad queries and "qa summary" | 16:29 |
| Ursinha | * untriaged bugs and QA stats of the week | 16:29 |
| Ursinha | * Feedback on the new process, improvement suggestions and comments welcome :) | 16:29 |
| Ursinha | ok, so the first one | 16:30 |
| Ursinha | I've created a list of queries to make qa life easier: https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyAndProcess/PreReleaseQAProcess/Experiment/QueryList | 16:30 |
| Ursinha | have sent them to the dev list, but I want to make sure you're not in unnecessary pain | 16:30 |
| Ursinha | :) | 16:30 |
| Ursinha | there are queries per devel and tag, so it's easy to find a list in lp for a person | 16:30 |
| Ursinha | but I see this is not enough, team leads need team overall and we can't have it using launchpad UI | 16:30 |
| Ursinha | so I created a "qa summary" for each team, you can find yours here: https://devpad.canonical.com/~lpqateam/testplans/ | 16:30 |
| Ursinha | I've filed a RT to have these synced to rookery, to be accessible to public | 16:31 |
| Ursinha | questions? | 16:31 |
| danilos | we should email all the TLs about these! | 16:32 |
| * Ursinha adds to her notebook | 16:33 | |
| Ursinha | [action] Ursinha to send email to TLs about QA summaries | 16:33 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Ursinha to send email to TLs about QA summaries | 16:33 |
| sinzui | I just add the qa urls to the milestone page. | 16:33 |
| Ursinha | sinzui: is that helpful? | 16:33 |
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| danilos | sinzui, the problem is that we can't search by all the persons in a team, so if someone has done work outside your core app, it's hard to see it | 16:34 |
| Ursinha | danilos: exactly | 16:34 |
| Ursinha | team != lp project | 16:34 |
| sinzui | Anyone from my team or user can see the bugs we ware working and and see our QA status. Since we do not necessarily QA our own landings, I do not care about which person has the tag. I care about the team | 16:34 |
| rockstar | Ursinha, code team's summary is blank. | 16:35 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: it's because it's being generated now | 16:35 |
| Ursinha | (really) | 16:35 |
| Ursinha | every 15 minutes | 16:35 |
| rockstar | Ursinha, oh, I assumed it was because we were awesome. | 16:35 |
| Ursinha | lol | 16:35 |
| danilos | sinzui, right, and malone doesn't offer the option to search per-team, only per-application or per single person | 16:35 |
| Ursinha | danilos: sinzui, bug 520569 | 16:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 520569 in malone "Add the ability of searching bugs from various assignees" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520569 | 16:36 |
| sinzui | Ursinha: yes, but when anyone fixes a bug in registry, I wan that report because my team is responsible for the app. If a contributor lands something bad in the registry project, it is not the contributor ot the QA members who fix it; the registry team fixes it | 16:36 |
| danilos | sinzui, right, but sometimes people from your team will land stuff in... launchpad-web project | 16:37 |
| danilos | sinzui, and who'll ensure that QA happens there? | 16:37 |
| Ursinha | sinzui: thanks for explaining your case | 16:37 |
| sinzui | I search launchpad-project too | 16:37 |
| sinzui | tags work for project | 16:37 |
| danilos | sinzui, this report should give you a smaller list to go through instead of going through launchpad-project, and we can have RM worry about launchpad-project | 16:38 |
| danilos | sinzui, nobody will mind if you always worry about launchpad-project :) | 16:38 |
| danilos | I still think this is a useful list to have | 16:38 |
| danilos | if that's what we are arguing | 16:38 |
| Ursinha | :) | 16:38 |
| Ursinha | I'm not sure I got the idea, but if sinzui needs a list of lp-registry items, it's easy to have it using Launchpad ui | 16:39 |
| sinzui | I do not need a list. | 16:39 |
| Ursinha | if that's what we are arguing :P | 16:39 |
| Ursinha | sinzui: are you happy with the things you have today? | 16:40 |
| sinzui | No, but that is because I think I want to build a way to find the intersection of a team with a project or series or milestone to get a report of bugs and blueprints | 16:42 |
| danilos | Ursinha, sinzui: let's move on, and we can discuss the merits of this on the list, and suggest improvements as well; Ursinha, what's the LP project to file bugs/wishes against? | 16:42 |
| Ursinha | sinzui: if I add a list of launchpad-registry to that list, would help? | 16:43 |
| sinzui | There is still a problem that no report understands that I and a canonical hacker and a contributor. My team is not responsible for QAing what I contribute | 16:43 |
| Ursinha | danilos: it's lp-qa-tools | 16:43 |
| sinzui | s/I and a/I am a/ | 16:43 |
| Ursinha | sinzui: in general those items fall in the launchpad itself team, and me and matsubara take care of that | 16:43 |
| danilos | sinzui, well, you are responsible for that, and LP team is responsible for not letting unQAd items through, so we'd either have to back it out or QA it | 16:43 |
| danilos | sinzui, at least IMHO, but it's a different topic, so let's not discuss it now :) | 16:44 |
| sinzui | You have never QAed my contributions to blueprints, answers, or foundations | 16:44 |
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| Ursinha | sinzui, danilos, I'll send the email to the list, and we can discuss the details in there, what about that? | 16:45 |
| danilos | sinzui, that's because we've done a bad job with QA in general | 16:45 |
| sinzui | And I do QA all contributors work who land something in blueprints, answers or registry. | 16:45 |
| danilos | sinzui, that's very nice, and nobody is questioning that; whether we should rely on sinzui to QA all the items like that is an open question with a very simple answer ("no, we all should do it or help community do it") | 16:46 |
| danilos | anywaay, let's move on | 16:47 |
| Ursinha | ok | 16:48 |
| Ursinha | thanks danilos and sinzui for speaking up | 16:48 |
| Ursinha | :) | 16:48 |
| Ursinha | list of untriaged bugs in launchpad-project, a picture of a moment before the meeting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/397314/ | 16:48 |
| danilos | thanks | 16:48 |
| Ursinha | or | 16:48 |
| Ursinha | <flood> | 16:48 |
| Ursinha | Soyuz (soyuz): 79 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | launchpadlib (launchpadlib): 25 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | OOPS Tools (oops-tools): 22 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad Developer Utilities (lp-dev-utils): 9 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad QA Utilities (lp-qa-tools): 7 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad Development Wiki Moin theme (launchpad-dev-moin-theme): 6 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad Bugs (malone): 5 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad Auto Build System (launchpad-buildd): 4 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad Help Wiki Moin theme (launchpad-help-moin-theme): 4 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | launchpad-web (launchpad-web): 3 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad Translations (rosetta): 3 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad CSCVS (launchpad-cscvs): 2 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | launchpad-loggerhead (launchpad-loggerhead): 2 | 16:49 |
| danilos | bigjools, do you think soyuz will need any help in triaging? | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad News WordPress Theme (launchpad-news-wordpress-theme): 2 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad Buildbot Configuration (lpbuildbot): 2 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | trac-launchpad-migrator (trac-launchpad-migrator): 2 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | Launchpad Documentation (launchpad-documentation): 1 | 16:49 |
| Ursinha | </flood> | 16:49 |
| bigjools | if you think you can help, yes please | 16:49 |
| bigjools | if it's obvious what to do, do it (but let me know) | 16:50 |
| danilos | bigjools, I'll go 'invalidate' a dozen or so, just to give a hand | 16:50 |
| bigjools | bug fixing for dummies | 16:50 |
| Ursinha | danilos: I have a script that does that.... kidding | 16:50 |
| Ursinha | :P | 16:50 |
| matsubara | I'll take care of the 22 New items for oops-tools | 16:50 |
| danilos | bigjools, and I'll mark a bunch of others as 'incomplete' with a comment "Why do you think it is so?" | 16:50 |
| matsubara | [action] matsubara to triage open oops-tools bugs | 16:50 |
| rockstar | Fail. launchpad-code isn't in that list. | 16:51 |
| danilos | rockstar, this time it probably means you are amazing | 16:51 |
| matsubara | that's because you have 0 new oopses | 16:51 |
| matsubara | rockstar, good job! | 16:51 |
| matsubara | :-) | 16:51 |
| rockstar | daniloff, yeah, I was fishing... | 16:51 |
| rockstar | :) | 16:51 |
| matsubara | s/oopses/bugs/ | 16:51 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: because it has no new bugs | 16:51 |
| Ursinha | you are all so funny today :) | 16:51 |
| Ursinha | [action] matsubara to triage open oops-tools bugs | 16:51 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: matsubara to triage open oops-tools bugs | 16:51 |
| rockstar | Ursinha, looks aren't everything though | 16:52 |
| Ursinha | [action] Ursinha to triage open lp-qa-tools bugs | 16:52 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Ursinha to triage open lp-qa-tools bugs | 16:52 |
| Ursinha | rockstar: sorry? :) | 16:53 |
| rockstar | Ursinha, <Ursinha> you are all so funny today :) | 16:53 |
| Ursinha | anyway, matsubara and I want to reactivate a section in this meeting, QA stats of the week | 16:54 |
| Ursinha | then we can discuss the status of bug triage and QA | 16:54 |
| Ursinha | that's all from me, I'm done here | 16:55 |
| Ursinha | anyone willing to add something? | 16:55 |
| Ursinha | ok, so sorry for taking so long | 16:56 |
| Ursinha | Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See https://dev.launchpad.net/MeetingAgenda for the logs. | 16:56 |
| Ursinha | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:56. | 16:56 |
| Ursinha | thanks everyone | 16:56 |
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