[00:00] <sobersabre> zekoZeko: I tend to just be paranoid.
[00:00] <nishanth> well how can i fix this issue with ply mouth
[00:00] <sobersabre> nishanth: does it eventually boot ?
[00:00] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: me too. But I don't really care if i break /etc/issue :)
[00:01] <sobersabre> zekoZeko: my /etc/issue...
[00:01] <sobersabre> :)
[00:01] <zekoZeko> i could only break mine, yours is your own problem :)
[00:01] <sobersabre> /etc/issue can trigger garbage in IDS checks...
[00:02] <sobersabre> "suspicious files activity"...
[00:02] <sobersabre> :)
[00:02] <sobersabre> now seriously. I am looking at blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+specs
[00:02] <nishanth> when i hear the sound for the login screen i enter the passwd and it gives me the login screen once more and i enter the info again and it lets me in]
[00:03] <zekoZeko> anyway, what's your obsession with getting beta released? You'll update hundreds of packages before final release anyway, the tag doesn't really mean much.
[00:03] <sobersabre> nishanth: it gets you in, be happy.
[00:03] <sobersabre> :)
[00:03] <nishanth> but sometimes i dont get the login screen until i restart for like at least 4 times
[00:03] <sobersabre> zekoZeko: I hoped to maybe do something like fixing a bug... or 2.
[00:04] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: that i understand and respect.
[00:04] <sobersabre> nishanth: if you're attempting to login via the virtual console, it does let you in ?
[00:04] <sobersabre> SO where do i get a bug ?
[00:04] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: on launchpad i'd guess :)
[00:05] <sobersabre> blueprints seems like high_level tasks>
[00:05] <nishanth> never tried virtual console....idk how to
[00:05] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: #515018 is bothering me ATM, but I can't do much about it but wait.
[00:05] <nishanth> i removed plymouth let me restart and see if it works
[00:05] <zekoZeko> nishanth: i think you must also rebuild the initrd
[00:06] <zekoZeko> nishanth: sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`
[00:06] <nishanth> how can i  do that?
[00:07] <nishanth> with the quotes or with out it?
[00:08] <sobersabre> nishanth: with the "reversed single quotes" (or apostrophies)
[00:08] <sobersabre> it means the output of the command "uname -r" is put in that place.
[00:08] <zekoZeko> ninlith: just copy&paste.
[00:08] <tcsoccerman> zeko do you understand what that means? if you do you are amazing
[00:08] <nishanth> Cannot find /lib/modules/nishanth -r
[00:09] <nishanth> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-nishanth -r
[00:09] <zekoZeko> umm
[00:09] <zekoZeko> copy & paste without double quotes:
[00:09] <daniskami> amazing? not really :)
[00:09] <sobersabre> not username, COPY PASTE!
[00:09] <zekoZeko> "sudo update-initramfs -u `uname -r`"
[00:10] <zekoZeko> tcsoccerman: repetition is the mother of something or other :)
[00:11] <tcsoccerman> i see
[00:11] <sobersabre> repetition is the father of a parrot ;-) I'm a good parrot.
[00:11] <zekoZeko> tcsoccerman: but i actualy also understand what it all means.
[00:12] <DanaG> er, you lost -k
[00:12] <DanaG> sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`
[00:12] <zekoZeko> tcsoccerman: and what it does. i've been doing this for long enough to understand a lot :)
[00:12] <sobersabre> zekoZeko: do you own a toshiba laptop ?
[00:12] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: yes.
[00:12] <sobersabre> I don't.
[00:12] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: exact same model as in the bugreport.
[00:12] <tcsoccerman> zekoZeko: nice. that is impressive.
[00:12] <sobersabre> so I don't think I can help you with it.
[00:13] <sobersabre> even if I do dig it, I need a machine of that type.
[00:13] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: didn't think you could, but I tried anyway :)
[00:13] <psusi> whoa, weird
[00:13] <sobersabre> I only have dell e5500 and a macbook
[00:13] <psusi> I get much better performance out of my ssd when I disable TCQ by getting the queue depth to 1 instead of 31 when having dd read to null without O_DIRECT... like nearly 2:1
[00:13] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: i worked around by disabling the actions on the lid button, i put it to sleep manually and then close the lid.
[00:14] <sobersabre> zekoZeko: as of now, my karmic installation works ok with both suspend and hibernation on DELL.
[00:14] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: karmic worked fine on this machine.
[00:14] <sobersabre> what display adapter does toshiba have ?
[00:14] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: intel gm965
[00:15] <sobersabre> hmm.. old.
[00:15] <zekoZeko> let me check again
[00:15] <sobersabre> I have newer 4500 hd
[00:15] <zekoZeko> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[00:15] <sobersabre> ok, any other bugs ?
[00:15] <Thuuugs> Looking at: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-rc1/ - apparently the Ubuntu team enabled TRIM support in this custome kernels - cant find anything in changelog - can anyone confirm/deny?
[00:16] <zekoZeko> Thuuugs: download it, unpack the package and check /boot/config-x.x.x
[00:17] <Thuuugs> zekoZeko: trim support isnt an option - within source code
[00:17] <zekoZeko> Thuuugs: you can unpack it with dpkg-deb -x package.deb /tmp/whatever
[00:17] <zekoZeko> Thuuugs: oh, didn't know that.
[00:18] <nishanth> hey guess what my boot worked properly after i removed plymouth
[00:18] <zekoZeko> nishanth: congrats :)
[00:18] <nishanth> so is there a way to make plymouth work now?
[00:18] <zekoZeko> nishanth: the latest version is suppsed to work according to the bug report.
[00:19] <nishanth> so do you think it will work if install it using synaptic?
[00:19] <sobersabre> nishanth: the game with alpha/beta releases is to upgrade parts you're sure will fix something, and pin what's already working...
[00:19] <zekoZeko> you can try :)
[00:20] <sobersabre> "pinning" is like telling apt to not upgrade a version of something you've "pinned".
[00:20] <zekoZeko> I actualy had the same problem. Going to try if it's solved.
[00:20] <zekoZeko> nishanth: so i suggest you wait for me, brb
[00:21] <nishanth> ok
[00:21] <nishanth> roger that
[00:21] <sobersabre> Thuuugs: according to google->intel forums, TRIM is in the kernel of 2.6.28 and up.
[00:21] <sobersabre> I have no idea what it is though :)
[00:22] <sobersabre> and you need an fs with support of TRIM, i.e. ext4.
[00:22] <Thuuugs> yea have all that, and read all those
[00:22] <Thuuugs> but cant for the life
[00:22] <Thuuugs> of me find support for it
[00:22] <sobersabre> Thuuugs: what is TRIM ? :)
[00:22] <Thuuugs> support for SSD
[00:23] <Thuuugs> well not support
[00:23] <Thuuugs> a function
[00:23] <Thuuugs> of ssd
[00:23] <sobersabre> ok.
[00:23] <sobersabre> so how do you know your kernel doesn't use it ?
[00:23] <Thuuugs> well i cant find out yes or no
[00:23] <Thuuugs> thats the issue lol
[00:23] <nishanth> zekozeko are you back?
[00:24] <sobersabre> Thuuugs: do you own an OLD SSD or a new model ?
[00:25] <sobersabre> hey guess what my boot worked properly after i removed plymouth
[00:25] <Thuuugs> new
[00:25] <Thuuugs> intel x25-m
[00:25] <sobersabre> wikipedia writes: The purpose of the instruction is to maintain the speed of the SSD throughout its lifespan, avoiding the slowdown that early models encountered once all of the cells had been written to once
[00:27] <sobersabre> Thuuugs: what is your version of hdparm ?
[00:27] <Guest51936> hey guys, just dist-upgraded to Lucid, I've got three external drives on the machine and having problems booting, it says "Waiting for /mountpoint [SM]" for each one until I hit S or M then dumps me to a root prompt
[00:28] <nishanth> how to make plymouth work?
[00:28] <KruyKaze> sound is not working on my uptodate lucid
[00:28] <sobersabre> according to wiki hdparm since 9.17 can send TRIM command.
[00:28] <sobersabre> KruyKaze: what card ?
[00:28] <KruyKaze> how do i find out?
[00:28] <sobersabre> run: lspci | grep -i audio
[00:29] <KruyKaze>  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[00:29] <zekoZeko> yay! it works :)
[00:29] <sobersabre> it's been reported to have a problem....
[00:29] <KruyKaze> pulse sound preferences shows "activity"
[00:29] <nishanth> zekozeko
[00:30] <sobersabre> KruyKaze: are you sure it's not the mixer setup problem ?
[00:30] <KruyKaze> it's not muted
[00:30] <nishanth> so shall i reinstall plymouth?
[00:30] <sobersabre> hmm... I'm going to upgrade now bye all.
[00:31] <nishanth> is the beta out?
[00:31] <zekoZeko> KruyKaze: on my laptop i had to select "Analog Output" from dropdown in Sound Preferences -> Output
[00:31] <KruyKaze> ok
[00:31] <KruyKaze> let me try that
[00:31] <zekoZeko> KruyKaze: "analog headphones" or "analog speakers" did not work.
[00:31] <zekoZeko> KruyKaze: i think i have the same sound hardware as you, or similar.
[00:32] <zekoZeko> nishanth: you can try. It worked for me.
[00:32] <zekoZeko> nishanth: check the bugreport from the channel topic to see you have the right version available and also supposedly you have to install a new version of mountall
[00:32] <zekoZeko> ok i have to go now everyone, it's been nice.
[00:34] <KruyKaze> did not work :( zekoZeko
[00:36] <KruyKaze> i'll reboot and see
[00:41] <nishanth> i dont see the plymouth animation while the system boots
[00:41] <nishanth> is there way to fix it?
[00:44] <nishanth> can someone tell me how to make plymouth work?
[00:46] <robin0800> nishanth: only when its fixed
[00:47] <voidmage> any word on a nvidia 195.36.15 package?
[00:49] <yofel> voidmage: being worked on
[01:01] <gnomefreak> plymouth was fixed already with ~15 and mountall what is broken now? i see boot screen fine
[01:04] <gnomefreak> s/mountall what/mountall. what
[01:08] <gnomefreak> 0.8.0~-16 works testing 0.8.0~-17 in a few
[01:15] <marginoferror> Can anyone tell me how to change the placement of the close/minimize/maximize buttons from the new default to the old right side placement?
[01:15] <marginoferror> I thought simply changing the theme would do it but apparently not
[01:23] <gnomefreak76> marginoferror: yes you can use gconf-editor or run the command i give below
[01:24] <gnomefreak76> marginoferror: gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[01:24] <marginoferror> Okay, thanks
[01:25] <marginoferror> I'm a little disconcerted there's no way for a user to change that in preferences =x
[01:25] <gnomefreak76> marginoferror: gconf-editor == prefferences
[01:25] <marginoferror> hahaha
[01:25] <gnomefreak76> always has :)
[01:35] <happyface> is there a way to chroot from windows to a linux partition (ext4)?
[01:35] <gnomefreak> !chroot > happyface
[01:35] <JediMaster> hey guys, when Beta 1 is released later today (1:37am here) will an apt-get upgrade get the alpha up to date?
[01:35] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: yes
[01:36] <JediMaster> gnomefreak, thanks, great
[01:36] <gnomefreak> update packages == up to date release
[01:36] <JediMaster> yeah just being dumb, it's late lol
[01:37] <JediMaster> I've got a USB external drive that has a fingerprint scanner on it, and when ubuntu boots it's often too fast for me to swipe my finger over it and then it freezes up saying it can't mount it and dumps me to a root prompt
[01:38] <JediMaster> any way of getting it to ignore the entry in fstab if it can't mount it at boot?
[01:38]  * xzcvczx insists that since it is technically 14:37 on the 18th of march there is less than 9.5 hrs for beta 1 to be released
[01:38] <JediMaster> it used to just carry on booting in karmic
[01:38] <JediMaster> xzcvczx, Oz?
[01:38] <xzcvczx> JediMaster: NO!
[01:38] <JediMaster> well somewhere clos then
[01:38] <JediMaster> =)
[01:38] <xzcvczx> JediMaster: just use noauto and mount it manually
[01:39] <JediMaster>  hmm yeah
[01:39] <xzcvczx> JediMaster: and aussies is 2hrs behind us aka nz
[01:39] <gnomefreak> time doesnt really make it happen its more of a when they have been tested they will roll out
[01:40] <xzcvczx> gnomefreak: unacceptable :P
[01:40] <gnomefreak> xzcvczx: than test spin and host them  for us :)
[01:40] <JediMaster> xzcvczx, you guys are GMT +13?
[01:40] <xzcvczx> JediMaster: indeed
[01:40]  * gnomefreak -4 i think,
[01:40] <gnomefreak> -004
[01:40]  * gnomefreak cant keep up
[01:41] <JediMaster> xzcvczx, surely that makes you GMT -12 or -11?
[01:41] <xzcvczx> JediMaster: would you like a map?
[01:41] <JediMaster> if you go further west then you could be going back 25 hours in time?
[01:41] <JediMaster> er east even
[01:41] <xzcvczx> yes
[01:42] <xzcvczx> the date line goes around us
[01:42] <JediMaster> thats freaky
[01:42] <xzcvczx> best way to avoid christmas if you hate it
[01:43] <JediMaster> xzcvczx, you mean go from -12 GMT to +13?
[01:43] <JediMaster> so go west rather than east?
[01:43] <xzcvczx> JediMaster: well it requires a bit more than that due to flight times etc
[01:43] <JediMaster> sorry, going a bit off topic =)
[01:44] <JediMaster> anyhow, after installing nvidia-current and changing some fstab entries so far so good in alpha 3
[01:44] <xzcvczx> i tried it in a vm, looking forward to trying beta
[01:45] <JediMaster> running it on my home server, got 2 other machines to upgrade to it soon =)
[01:45] <xzcvczx> hopefully the ubuntu one client is a bit better than karmics which did not like you moving files around
[01:45] <JediMaster> mind you I run kubuntu with all the backports on everything so there's not a huge jump
[01:46] <xzcvczx> i will be installing lucid on a new hdd and ram whne i get said new hdd and ram
[01:46] <JediMaster> I'd like to get an SSD for my machines, would be damn fast on it
[01:46] <xzcvczx> might just fork out for 8gb, 3gb just don't cut it any longer for me
[01:47] <JediMaster> yeah I've been running ubuntu/kubuntu under 8gb for the last year or so
[01:47] <xzcvczx> what browser?
[01:47] <JediMaster> right, must get some sleep, ta for the help guys
[01:47] <JediMaster> firefox 3.5/3.6
[01:47] <JediMaster> why?
[01:48] <xzcvczx> i find that firefox will use too much ram no matter if you have 1,2 or 3gb
[01:48] <JediMaster> and chrome, which seems to do flash better
[01:48] <JediMaster> firefox seems fine to me, even on this laptop
[01:48] <xzcvczx> and yet crashes so often on the google sites
[01:48] <JediMaster> (karmic with 2GB)
[01:48] <xzcvczx> (chrome)
[01:48] <JediMaster> heh
[01:49] <JediMaster> night all
[01:49] <xzcvczx> like it REALLY doesn't like google docs
[02:01] <DanaG> .config:2069:warning: symbol value 'm' invalid for MMC_RICOH_MMC
[02:01] <DanaG> in log from kernel-ppa kernel build.'
[02:01] <DanaG> No wonder my SD card slot doesn't work with those.
[02:02] <DanaG> They also don't have r8192_pci enabled.
[02:06] <syk> is it better to clean install lucid beta or just upgrade from alpha 3
[02:07]  * holstein hopes he can just roll on up to the lucid final :)
[02:09] <johnjohn101> what version of nvidia video driver will ship with lucid
[02:17] <arand> syk: Less likelyness of on-the-way issues if you install the beta.
[02:23] <marginoferror> Is there a specific reason why compizconfig-settings-manager isn't installed by default?  I always thought of it as kind of... non-optional
[02:25] <Boondoklife> marginoferror: Prolly cause it is not needed by most people? that would be the only reason I can think of.
[02:25] <arand> marginoferror: Too complex, although I don't get why simple-cssm isn't in, or why computer-janitor isn't out...
[02:25] <Boondoklife> marginoferror: Not to mention all the settings in there could really bork someones desktop if they got click happy
[02:25] <marginoferror> Boondoklife: Good point on that last one, although I think people do need some kind of compiz configurator
[02:25] <arand> Or palmOS-devices, for that matter
[02:26] <marginoferror> arand: I didn't know about simple-cssm, I will look into that.  Thanks =)
[02:26] <Boondoklife> Ehh I disable compiz so no need here
[02:26]  * yofel thinks it's because both are in universe and canonical doesn't directly support them
[02:27] <arand> Well the question is then, why doesn't Canonical?
[02:30] <nishanth> can someone help me fix plymouth
[02:31] <nishanth> can someone help me fix plymouth
[02:32] <yofel> arand: dunno, maybe it doesn't comply to some requirenment for main, or maybe it's just not important to them
[02:32] <Boondoklife> nishanth: What is the problem your having?
[02:32] <nishanth> well i dont see the plymouth when my computer is booting
[02:34] <Boondoklife> nishanth: do you see it when you shutdown?
[02:34] <nishanth> no
[02:34] <yofel> nishanth: what graphics card do you have?
[02:35] <nishanth> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02
[02:35] <nishanth> is this it?
[02:37] <yofel> nishanth: if you have a core i3 or similiar then I think yes
[02:37] <nishanth> i have a core i5
[02:38] <yofel> hm, it should work though if you have an intel card...
[02:39] <nishanth> but it is not working... any idea to diagnose what the problem is?
[02:40] <yofel> nope, I personally don't use plymouth
[02:41] <nishanth> is there an alternative?
[02:43] <SecMonk> How does one initiate a manual sync with Ubuntu One in Lucid?  I don't seem to have a 'sync' button any longer.
[02:45] <anichols> A question about Lucid...which one of the variants do you feel will be the most stable?  Ubuntu...KUbuntu...something else?  Trying to take in the differences between each variant, and I freely admit I'm a bit lost. (Currently using Hardy Heron Ubuntu, but planning on going Lucid when it hits LTS)
[02:45] <Azelphur> anichols: why are you trying to have super stability with a GUI?
[02:46] <Azelphur> I mean, they are all pretty stable, but the end of the day if your going for stability you don't want a desktop distro
[02:46] <anichols> Azelphur: Fair enough.  Then what would you recommend?
[02:46] <SecMonk> anichols: FWIW, I've found variants in the same version to be similar in stability.  Perhaps you want the server build?
[02:46] <Azelphur> a server distro, such as ubuntu server?
[02:46] <Azelphur> or debian :)
[02:46] <Azelphur> without a GUI.
[02:46] <anichols> Azelphur: As for stability, I had a bit of a hard time with Windows, one of the main reasons I shifted to Ubuntu...but I'm still new with it.
[02:46] <holstein> whos running lucid server?
[02:47] <anichols> SecMonk: Not sure about the server variants...I like having a GUI.
[02:47] <holstein> im getting Temporary failure resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:47] <Azelphur> anichols: why are you pinned up on stability?
[02:47] <holstein> when running sudo apt-get update
[02:49] <ChogyDan> anichols: look up gnome vs kde, that's the main difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[02:49] <yofel> holstein: works here us.archive.ubuntu.com.  471     IN      A       91.189.88.40
[02:49] <SecMonk> anichols: I can personally vouch for the server build - I use it at work and at home.  It's very solid.
[02:49] <holstein> yofel: hmmm
[02:50] <holstein> what the hell am i doing then...
[02:50] <yofel> holstein: do other adresses work?
[02:50] <holstein> not in the server install
[02:50]  * holstein launches again
[02:50] <yofel> general dns issue then maybe
[02:51] <anichols> Azelphur: Because I've been fed up with the instability of Windows XP for far too long, and occasionally I get lockups with Hardy, so I'm wondering what might be the best build to go with when Lucid LTS is released.
[02:51] <holstein> yup, im getting a temporary failure for all of them
[02:52] <holstein> well, it seems like its on my end somewhere though
[02:52] <holstein> and not a bug
[02:52] <yofel> holstein: you could change to another dns server in resolv.conf and check
[02:53] <holstein> shouldnt it be using the ones that my router uses?
[02:53] <yofel> holstein: by default yes
[02:53] <holstein> hmm
[02:53] <holstein> i bet i did something funky
[02:53] <yofel> except if you have bind9 running, then it will use localhost
[02:54] <holstein> when i switched it to static IP
[02:54] <yofel> holstein: what does your /etc/resolv.conf contain anyway?
[02:54]  * holstein looks
[02:55] <holstein> nameserver 24.178.162.3
[02:55] <holstein> nameserver 24.177.176.38
[02:55] <holstein> nameserver 24.217.0.5
[02:57] <yofel> holstein: dns lookup fails with every one of them here
[02:57] <holstein> lol
[02:57] <DanaG> argh, is it just me, or does ctrl-f to find, in nautilus, COMPLETELY IGNORE the current directory?
[02:58] <holstein> theres your problem !
[02:58] <DanaG> I try to ctrl-f in a network share... it searches my local hard drive instead!
[02:59] <yofel> holstein: 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 are the OpenDNS server, they should get you back online until you find a new one ^^
[02:59] <syk> do they release beta right at 12:00 or do they wait till morning? lol
[03:01] <yofel> syk: they'll release it once the page and the isos are ready, no fixed time
[03:01] <syk> ah ok
[03:02] <holstein> yofel: thanks :)
[03:09] <Starcraftmazter> srsly, i cant get the double sided printing option to show no matter what i do, in 10.04
[03:22] <Starcraftmazter> or rather this seems to be a problem with document viewer
[03:23] <Starcraftmazter> other apps have the long edge double sided option, but document viewer only has one sided option
[03:53] <Some_Person> What font is the new ubuntu logo in and where can I get it?
[03:55] <bjsnider> the font is called ubuntu and i don't think it's finished yet
[03:57] <Some_Person> Is the current (unfinished) version available?
[03:59] <KB1JWQ> Any idea when today beta1 should drop?
[04:00] <KB1JWQ> DOh, read lastlog. Ignore me.
[04:02] <richthegeek> jeez people, it's St Paddies day.... why aren't you out getting drunk?
[04:35] <teethdood> a little off-topic, but: I hooked up my laptop to a 1080p TV, VGA analog. When playing a movie (say from a DVD), does it get upconverted? (or is upconversion a HDMI thing only?)
[04:36] <JanC> it will get rescaled (DVDs have no HD content)
[04:37] <wamilton> I need help getting memenu to show up, thoughts?
[04:53] <Thuuugs> Looking thru: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-rc1/ - apparently the Ubuntu team enabled TRIM support in their custom kernels - cant find anything in changelog - can anyone confirm/deny this? want to get lucid working with TRIM
[05:07] <happyface> argh, I keep getting kernel panics
[05:08] <happyface> damn alpha software
[05:27] <Thuuugs> Bug: Installing Lucid Server - scrolling down through Timezones glitches menu
[05:48] <Ian_Corne> Thuuugs: you can get the kernel's source, and when compiling a new one, use the old config and then go look with make menuconfig at the config to see if it's enabled
[05:49] <Thuuugs> apparently TRIM is in source code, not an option
[05:49] <Thuuugs> bloody lucid server fatal errors
[05:49] <Thuuugs> on grub2 installation :(
[06:07] <perscitus> No Beta1 yet?
[06:10] <shadeslayer> perscitus: kubuntu has loads of beta 1 bugs... so no beta 1 for now in kubuntu
[06:10] <shadeslayer> about ubuntu idk
[06:10] <shadeslayer> bug 538292
[06:10] <perscitus> i cant use til bug #506656 is fixed
[06:27] <vish> !schedule
[06:28] <vish> hmm , no bot :s  what was the link ?
[06:43] <zniavre_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[07:10] <balas> anyone know how to get the amazonmp3 downloader working in lucid ?
[07:12] <DanaG> (also in #ubuntu-arm)  http://pastebin.com/BFjBG4Ms -- vlc segfaults.     er, sorry for the long command line. =þ
[07:12] <DanaG> interesting... mplayer is UNAVAILABLE.  alsaplayer works, though.  once I add myself to "audio" group.
[07:12] <balas> can anyone check if anyone has had any issues with a CMI8788 and lucid ?  i can't get mine to work.  lspci -v sees it, but only integrated sound is listed.
[07:14] <MindVirus> henkpoley: OK. So, then, what to do?
[07:19] <sobersabre> guys, I have a problem with python related things.
[07:19] <sobersabre> currently I'm getting this error:
[07:21] <sobersabre> http://pastebin.ca/1844392
[07:21] <sobersabre> I opened this file and I see NOTHING weird.
[07:21] <sobersabre> it seems the correct indentation.
[07:21] <sobersabre> maybe python wants 4 spaces instead of 1 tab ?
[07:21] <sobersabre> or 2 tabs ?
[07:23] <hifi> dev server going for lucid, help me god
[07:25] <rsk> hifi many have reported ssh stopped working
[07:26] <rsk> hifi so i wouldn't do that unless i had physical acces
[07:26] <hifi> I have, though, ssh dying would be bad
[07:26] <hifi> is it recoverable?
[07:27] <rsk> no
[07:27] <rsk> not that i know of
[07:28] <hifi> well, too late anyway
[07:31] <henkpoley> MindVirus: still there ?
[07:32] <henkpoley> On the recovery console do `mount -o remount, rw /`
[07:32] <henkpoley> Then do the symlinking as described in #6
[07:32] <henkpoley> `ln -s /lib/libply-boot-client.so.2.0.0 /lib/libplybootclient.so.2`
[07:32] <henkpoley> reboot
[07:33] <henkpoley> Apparently that should fix it
[07:33] <MindVirus> henkpoley: I'm here.
[07:33] <MindVirus> henkpoley: I did that.
[07:33] <MindVirus> It actually made the problem worse.
[07:33] <MindVirus> Before I dropped into a recovery console.
[07:33] <MindVirus> Now it just hangs without any output at all.
[07:34] <henkpoley> Now it hangs at the "4 dots"  ?
[07:34] <MindVirus> Yes.
[07:34] <henkpoley> That is familiar ;-)
[07:34] <MindVirus> Eh?
[07:34] <henkpoley> My vmware system does/did that too
[07:36] <xfact> What is 'plymouth' never seen this package in Karmic.
[07:37] <henkpoley> I believe it is a graphical boot screen system from Red Hat or SuSe
[07:37] <xfact> Ok
[07:37] <henkpoley> MindVirus: If you press ESC early on in the boot to enter grub, then press 'e' go down a line press 'e' again, append " init=/bin/bash" you can get back into your system, kinda
[07:37] <MindVirus> henkpoley: How did you fix that?
[07:38] <MindVirus> henkpoley: I know.
[07:38] <MindVirus> And it's not ESC.
[07:38] <MindVirus> You need to hold shift with GRUB2.
[07:38] <henkpoley> Okay, never used Grub2 :-)
[07:39] <henkpoley> For my I need to edit /etc/fstab to remove the problematic item from vmware
[07:39] <henkpoley> Do not remove your /proc nor / ;-)
[07:40] <MindVirus> Too late.
[07:40] <henkpoley> the swap and /media/* items can be commented out (add '#' )or debugging purposes
[07:40] <henkpoley> MindVirus: as in ?
[07:40] <MindVirus> I'm just kidding.
[07:40] <MindVirus> You said don't remove /proc or /.
[07:42] <henkpoley> My vmware install keeps adding this .host item to /etc/fstab that breaks mounting :-/
[07:45] <MindVirus> henkpoley: If you don't mind me asking, are you a native English speaker?
[07:45] <henkpoley> Nope
[07:45] <henkpoley> Dutch
[07:46] <MindVirus> Gotcha. :)
[07:48] <MindVirus> henkpoley: Do you know what *ply*-12*.deb matches?
[07:48] <Thuuugs> hifi: Be interested to see how you go, got around the SSH/Not booting issues but fatal error with Grub2 on Ubuntu Server Lucid iso now...
[07:48] <MindVirus> If so, do you have that package?
[07:48] <Thuuugs> on going f'fest :P
[07:50] <henkpoley> MindVirus: ask someone else, I  need to catch a train, and still eat something :P
[07:50] <MindVirus> henkpoley: OK. Thank you.
[07:50] <MindVirus> Does anyone know what *ply*-12*.deb matches?
[07:54] <henkpoley> MindVirus: try grabbing it from packages.ubuntu.com .. /lucid ?
[07:55] <hifi> Thuuugs: booted fine
[08:21] <Thuuugs> hifi: u using .iso?
[08:21] <Thuuugs> from current dailys?
[08:22] <hifi> no, I did do-release-upgrade from jaunty to karmic and then to lucid
[08:22] <hifi> it's a server installation
[08:23] <Thuuugs> hifi: Yea using server also. Ive tried from Karmic > Lucid thru update-manager = no go. Then editing source.list and now today thru .iso
[08:23] <hifi> oh, it did work just fine for me
[08:23] <Thuuugs> first 2 result in unbootable but pingable (no ssh), last results in fatal error
[08:24] <mvo> Thuuugs: do you still have the logs of the upgrade ?
[08:24] <mvo> Thuuugs: those are very valuable in order to fix the issues you encountered
[08:24] <mvo> Thuuugs: /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[08:25] <Thuuugs> mvo: These are all done on a non-physcial axx box - I can try once again thru update-manager and boot into rescue when shit hits the fan to get logs for u
[08:25] <Thuuugs> not sure about .iso tho, since im using vKVM
[08:26] <mvo> Thuuugs: that would be good, I really want to know what causes failures like this
[08:38] <DJones> Has anybody come across a bug in the logon screen were, on two machines with 10.04 if I click on the default user I'm asked to enter the password which enters ok but I get returned to the logon screen, if I select chose another user, enter the username & password they both logon without any problem, it seems to be an intermittant problem happening about 50% of the time, both machines were upgrades from Karmic (which were fresh installs)
[08:50] <BUGabundo_remote> morning o/
[08:50] <Ian_Corne> Hai
[09:13] <petsounds> hi all. the first beta of lucid is out today?
[09:13] <rsk> we won't know untill the day is over
[09:14] <petsounds> kk =)
[09:23] <jan_> ??? Hello, I just wanted to ask something: I have an Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) audio device, and that is the problem. I have googled, ubuntued and f.a.q.ed but pulse audio still stutters with 2 or more applications ( firefox, vlc ). What settings do I need for alsa-base.conf or pulse/default.pa.  Thank you!
[09:27] <BUGabundo_remote> jan_: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base, and ping crimsun with the url. thanks
[09:28] <jan_> ok, thank you!
[09:33] <koltroll> oh. a beta is supposed to be out today? Great, then I'll have something to play with the next week while on vacation :)
[09:33] <Fudge> hello peeps, is there aknown bug with desktops coming out of suspend with authentication not completing alpha3?
[09:39] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/539494
[09:39] <Ian_Corne> anyone else?
[09:39] <Ian_Corne> and how can I repopen the bug?
[09:44] <yofel> Ian_Corne: click on the yellow button besides 'Fix Released' and change it to New
[09:44] <yofel> morning folks btw :)
[09:46] <om26er> does empathy support yahoo group chat?
[09:47] <Ian_Corne> yofel: should I change it to new?
[09:47] <Ian_Corne> or confirmed?
[09:48] <ethana2> I saw a boot time drop on http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/ down to 10.43 s..  anybody know what happened?
[09:49] <balas> my computer must be aging.  i think it takes a little bit longer than that
[09:49] <ethana2> I mean, I have boot times of 10.25s on this laptop right now, but that looked pretty exciting
[09:49] <yofel> Ian_Corne: wait, are you *sure* you have the same issue?
[09:49] <ethana2> balas: the hdd/ssd is the single most important factor besides the OS in the performance of a machine
[09:50] <Ian_Corne> yofel: It locks up, only started happening when nouveau was used (I removed nvidia priopetary drivers)
[09:50] <Ian_Corne> altho i'm not using x packages from xorg-edgers
[09:50] <Ian_Corne> should I just file a new bug?
[09:50] <ethana2> balas: does your machine have SATA?
[09:51] <Ian_Corne> It is also not on kubuntu
[09:52] <yofel> Ian_Corne: rather file a new bug
[09:53] <balas> ethana2, it does
[09:54] <ethana2> balas: I'd get an Intel X-25V
[09:54] <balas> i put mine at about 15 seconds, but i could be wrong
[09:54] <ethana2> I have an Intel X-25M..
[09:54] <balas> can't afford to do so
[09:54] <ethana2> ah
[09:54] <Ian_Corne> ok
[09:55] <balas> might anyone look at an issue i'm having with CMI8788 ?  can't get it recognized under lucid  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1431048
[09:55] <balas> or rather it sees it, but the gnome volume control doesn't
[09:56] <balas> i think it works fine with fedora :(
[09:58] <balas> and google hasn't yielded any bug reports on it
[09:59] <Ian_Corne> ok https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/540792
[09:59] <BUGabundo_remote> morning yofel
[10:00] <BUGabundo_remote> well, I've seen some nice boots on my side this week
[10:01] <BUGabundo_remote> but last night it got worse again
[10:01] <BUGabundo_remote> let me upload latests bootcharts
[10:05] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> latest bootchart http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[10:11] <rsk> to bad the aren't readable
[10:11] <Bjelleklang> does anyone know if there are big changes from daily build to beta1 of lucid?
[10:12] <Ian_Corne> maybe in the installer
[10:12] <rsk> Bjelleklang yes one is relased, the other is not
[10:12] <johe|w> Bjelleklang, what do mean exactly?
[10:12] <BUGabundo_remote> rsk: ?
[10:13] <rsk> BUGabundo_remote ?
[10:13] <rsk> there are charts there
[10:14] <rsk> but i can't read the text on them
[10:14] <BUGabundo_remote> rsk: zoom in ??
[10:14] <rsk> hence, not readable
[10:14] <rsk> how?
[10:14] <BUGabundo_remote> mouse click, usually does the trick for me
[10:14] <rsk> just brings it up
[10:14] <BUGabundo_remote> if not, download it, and open locally
[10:15] <rsk> even smaller
[10:15] <Bjelleklang> johe|w: just wondering if there will be any major differences between the daily build available now and the beta coming out later today
[10:15] <BUGabundo_remote> rsk: bottom, click the link
[10:15] <rsk> bottom where?
[10:15] <BUGabundo_remote> wow, I never though web tecnology could make it hard for some one to actually use it
[10:15] <BUGabundo_remote> rsk: http://img.ourdoings.com/pq/e6/rexxaw.png
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> Suitable for printing: 1378x3756 version (417,789 bytes).
[10:16] <rsk> sure
[10:16] <rsk> but i can't get to that link
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> yes you can
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> I just did
[10:16] <rsk> well
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> open the foto, and click on the link to it, on the right
[10:16] <rsk> that's kinda useless to have a website
[10:16] <rsk> when you have to manually open them
[10:17] <BUGabundo_remote> !?!?
[10:17] <johe|w> Bjelleklang, well which daily? :-) i think there wont be that much changes from todays daily, but dont know exactly
[10:17] <BUGabundo_remote> and all the meta? like dates?
[10:17] <rsk> if i click on the zoom button the image becomes
[10:17] <rsk> 5% bigger
[10:17] <rsk> ea
[10:19] <Bjelleklang> johe|w: was thinking of the latest daily. Just wondering if it will be a point waiting for the official beta if the daily offers the same :)
[10:20] <BUGabundo_remote> Bjelleklang: none
[10:20] <BUGabundo_remote> just zsync to what ever iso you want
[10:21] <Bjelleklang> great, thanks! Nice to know :)
[10:21] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote, Bjelleklang: I'd hope that the beta differs in some way, because the dailies don't boot for me
[10:21] <solid_liq> zsync?  or rsync?
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync
[10:22] <solid_liq> hmm
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> # DVDs
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-amd64.iso.zsync
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-i386.iso.zsync
[10:23] <solid_liq> so what's zsync good for?
[10:24] <BUGabundo_remote> # ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync; ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync; ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync; ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-i386.iso.zsync
[10:24] <BUGabundo_remote> :P
[10:24] <BUGabundo_remote> solid_liq: delta downloads of compressed iamges
[10:24] <BUGabundo_remote> saves much more server CPU then regular rsync
[10:24] <solid_liq> hmm cool
[10:25] <BUGabundo_remote> on the downside, your cpu and IO kills you
[10:25] <BUGabundo_remote> but hey, better then overkill mirrors, right?
[10:27] <soee_> hi all
[10:27] <soee_> so tiday beta1 will see the light ?
[10:27] <xfact> After updating package plymouth, during the boot time it showing lots of "I/O error...." :( is that bad?
[10:28] <BUGabundo_remote> soee_: does it really mather?
[10:28] <xfact> soee_, Yup, I hope so
[10:28] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: yes it matters. A daily not booting is fine. A beta not booting is an issue
[10:28] <soee_> BUGabundo_remote: for me yeah :)
[10:28] <BUGabundo_remote> richthegeek: have you collected boot logs and filed a bug?
[10:28] <BUGabundo_remote> soee_: why so ?
[10:29] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: it's the live CD not booting, I have no way to access a TTY or anything
[10:29] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: there are no boot logs AFAIK
[10:30] <soee_> BUGabundo_remote: cuz im in need to reintall system and i want to do this with b1, the reason of fresh install is huge problems with mysql server now, cant fix it since few days
[10:30] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: closest thing I can imagine is that plymouth doesn't work well with 2+ screens, as in the case of #533135
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> richthegeek: CAF1 ?
[10:30] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: CAF1?
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> ctrl alt f1
[10:31] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: as I said, I have no way to switch to a TTY
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> richthegeek: or use alternate iso
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> or disable acpi, or use VGA mode
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> anythting!
[10:31] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: that's not the issue especially. That will only solve mine, leaving the original issue intact
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> I haven't seen a (recent) machine I can't boot
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> I've seen many I can't use, after
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> but that's another story
[10:32] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: it doesnt matter if I can get my system to boot using workarounds, it matters people with 2+ monitors and/or a recent nvidia card (260GTX) can't boot the liveCD on release
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> soee_: so, agai, what does beta milestone offers that you already don't have?
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> richthegeek: hence we need LOGs
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> (or the hw to test it)
[10:33] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: yes but you seem to be missing the point that I can't get to a stage where logs are available
[10:33] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: it's failing at plymouth, TTYs aren't loaded yet
[10:33] <bullgard> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=util-linux-ng&searchon=names&suite=lucid&section=all: "You have searched for packages that names contain util-linux-ng in suite(s) lucid, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Kernel-Log-Linux-und-Festplatten-mit-4-KByte-Sektoren-938237.html: "Red-Hat-Entwickler Karel Zak hat die...
[10:33] <bullgard> ...Version 2.17.1 der von vielen Linux-Distributionen genutzten Werkzeugsammlung util-linux-ng freigeben." Why does Ubuntu not provide this tool collection?
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> press ESC ?
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[10:34] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: I've tried every key combo I can, including rseinub
[10:34] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh so it's a kernel bug?
[10:34] <BUGabundo_remote> richthegeek: you really should use an alternate iso and get X and kernel logs
[10:34] <BUGabundo_remote> those would help triage that HW
[10:35] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: this lucid (karmic up) works, any way I can get useful logs from this?
[10:35] <soee_> BUGabundo_remote: hopefully working CD when i want to install it, i downloaded alpha3 iso 3 times and after burning it i couldnt start instalation (black screen freeze after languagfe selection), after upgrading 9.10 to 10.04 alpha3 my mouse and keyboward didnt response so i couldnt do anything
[10:36] <BUGabundo_remote> richthegeek: would not match kernel and X , so not much
[10:36] <BUGabundo_remote> soee_: is OLD
[10:36] <BUGabundo_remote> you got dailies!
[10:37] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: exactly, and the alternate doesn't use the same boot setup as the live, so it's as useless
[10:37] <BUGabundo_remote> wrong
[10:37] <BUGabundo_remote> it logs the HW
[10:38] <BUGabundo_remote> richthegeek: enjoy http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/
[10:38] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: oh ffs.. THE DAILIES DO NOT FRACKING BOOT
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> alternate either?
[10:41] <BUGabundo_remote> that's a alternate image, not Live
[10:42] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: the alternates will likely provide no useful data... I'm filing a general bug on launchpad anyway
[10:42] <richthegeek> not sure if it's plymouth, or nouveau, or what
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> how can you tell??
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> if it boots, you got logs of both dmesg, kernel, X, etc
[10:54] <richthegeek> right, bug is reported (#540564). No doubt to be ignored.
[10:55] <BUGabundo_remote> richthegeek: ping #ubuntu-x guys
[10:55] <weechat_user> hi
[10:56] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: doen
[10:56] <richthegeek> BUGabundo_remote: now, to get ready for uni.
[12:02] <gain> hi all
[12:02] <gain> waiting for beta1...
[12:03] <gain> it will be released today, right?
[12:03] <BUGabundo_remote> gain: get a daily, then zsync
[12:03] <BUGabundo_remote> as usual
[12:03] <arand> ain't we all...
[12:03] <gain> not usual for me... :P
[12:03] <rww> I'm not!
[12:03] <BUGabundo_remote>  lucid-dvd-i386.iso. Target 21.6% complete.
[12:03] <BUGabundo_remote> downloading from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-i386.iso:
[12:03] <BUGabundo_remote> #############------- 65.2% 925.3 kBps 26:29 ETA
[12:04] <BUGabundo_remote> seems I've fallen behing on the 32 bit DVD
[12:04] <rww> BUGabundo_remote: just "zsync http://path/to/file.iso" with the existing .iso in the current directory, right?
[12:05] <BUGabundo_remote> WOW
[12:05] <BUGabundo_remote> master bug in the server
[12:05] <BUGabundo_remote> # ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync; ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync; ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync; ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-i386.iso.zsync
[12:05] <BUGabundo_remote> #################### 100.0% 344.1 kBps DONE
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> or in me
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> ejej
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> nvm
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> rww: yes
[12:06] <rww> ty
[12:06]  * rww needs to update his USB stick .iso files :)
[12:06]  * BUGabundo_remote wonders how that kubuntu iso ended up in there, and how much damage it will do to older iso
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> rww: I got it running from GRUB
[12:07] <rww> testing ISOS not having ubuntu- or kubuntu- or xubuntu- is really annoying :(
[12:07] <rww> iirc, there's a bug about it somewhere, though it's been a while since I looked
[12:07] <rww> BUGabundo_remote: booting ISO images? awesome :)
[12:08] <rww> that's what I do too, it's really useful
[12:09] <BUGabundo_remote> rww: http://p.bugabundo.net/booting-grub2-from-an-iso-in-hd
[12:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: lucid broke your boot? when? :)
[12:13] <MarcoPau> hello guys, I'm about to upgrade to lucid from jaunty and I have a whole bunch of PPA's (xorg-edgers and others) in my repos. am I supposed to comment all their lines out and upgrade?
[12:13] <MarcoPau> errrrrr, from karmic :-)
[12:13] <arand> MarcoPau: I think the upgrade comments the out automatically..
[12:13] <rww> MarcoPau: "update-manager -d" or "do-release-upgrade -d" (which are how you should be upgrading) will automatically disable PPAs.
[12:15] <MarcoPau> rww: alright. I'm still used to editing source.list and apt-get dist-upgrading!
[12:16] <rww> MarcoPau: hah. I use Debian, so I know what you mean :). But yeah, the Right Way in ubuntu is to use the upgrade tools, it can avoid a lot of headaches.
[12:16] <rww> (Debian as well as Ubuntu, obviously ;)
[12:17] <MarcoPau> rww: thus all I need is running that command without any more editing and such?
[12:17] <rww> MarcoPau: yup
[12:17] <MarcoPau> rww: yeah I've been with Debian for years and I'm still into that heh
[12:18] <arand> MarcoPau: the do-release.. is for cli, update-man for gui
[12:18] <MarcoPau> arand: thank you
[12:19] <MarcoPau> stupid question: should I wait for beta release or it's basically already there?
[12:20] <rww> MarcoPau: I use it on my day-to-day computer, but you probably shouldn't use it on anything you need to be stable.
[12:20] <rww> There was a bug a few days ago that broke bootup completely, for example :\
[12:20] <arand> MarcoPau: Current state of archives and daily iso is very probably what will be in the beta.
[12:20] <jpds> BUGabundo_remote: Or maybe stop killing the serveR?
[12:21] <rww> oh, misread :)
[12:21] <MarcoPau> rww: the beta release day always puts me in a sick hurry, dunno why :-D plus, I sort of like breakages haha
[12:21] <rww> MarcoPau: Sorry, yeah, what's in the archives right now is basically what's going to be in the beta.
[12:22] <arand> MarcoPau: What fun is prerelease testing without breakage?
[12:22] <MarcoPau> heh
[12:23] <MarcoPau> I usually avoid alphas, but with beta I feel ready for massacre LOL
[12:23] <MarcoPau> alright see you later, hopefully! :-D
[12:23] <arand> good luck
[12:25] <arand> I say, this place is suprisingly calm for beta-day.
[12:25] <rww> arand: USA isn't awake yet, it'll get crazier.
[12:26] <Pici> I resemble that remark
[12:26] <MarcoPau> yeah prolly it's because of USA early morning time
[12:26] <arand> Right, the party of the usa..
[12:26] <DelphiWorld> ubuntu folk
[12:26] <Pici> ;)
[12:26] <MarcoPau> we'll see in a couple of hours. europe is calm anyway, good sign :D
[12:26] <DelphiWorld> please try to focus on accessibility for blind users
[12:26]  * fat_rat is waiting for lucid lynx beta 
[12:27] <Pici> DelphiWorld: If you're talking about the in-accessability of the Ubuntu Software Center, its a known issue due to the fact that it uses WebKit.
[12:28] <DelphiWorld> Pici: no only this, but also to the ubuntu desktop and OS base
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> Wowsers.
[12:30] <arand> DelphiWorld: I know the sound system mangles orca horribly, tried once covering up the screen and running by reader, it went alright until sound crashed :(
[12:31] <DelphiWorld> arand: you are blind?
[12:31] <arand> DelphiWorld: No, hence the covering up the screen.
[12:32] <DelphiWorld> arand: ;)
[12:32] <DelphiWorld> arand: very smartly
[12:32] <DelphiWorld> arand: i am blind and using only windows to connect to my ubuntu server i hop to exit windows completly and return to the open source world
[12:35] <arand> DelphiWorld: Cool, yea, the whole orca/softcentre breakage is unfortunate, and I don't know how much testing actually goes into the accesibility of ubuntu...
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> One topic - ive never really looked into.
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> The wife likes tobe able to do speach to text so she can voice her IM's but that never seems to work well either
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> brb
[12:41] <arand> tgpraveen12: pdf selection working alright for ya? ;)
[12:44] <luis_lopez> Hi, is evolution-mapi 2.29 available in lucid?
[12:44] <luis_lopez> sorry, evolution-mapi 0.29
[12:45] <rww> luis_lopez: I believe lucid's evolution-mapi is 0.28.2
[12:45] <luis_lopez> thanks rww
[12:48] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[12:49] <benlu456> Hello
[12:49] <benlu456> May I ask about network manager?
[12:50] <Varka> hello, is the release of beta 1 delayed o will it be released today?
[12:50] <rww> benlu456: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[12:50] <Pici> Varka: It'll be done when its done.
[12:51] <Pici> The isos are being tested.
[12:52] <Varka> just curious if schedule is still 18th
[12:54] <benlu456> rww: 9.10
[12:54] <Pici> Varka: Yes
[12:55] <rww> benlu456: #ubuntu+1 is for discussion and support of Ubuntu 10.04, not 9.10. Please continue asking in #ubuntu, or try your local channel.
[12:55] <Varka> thx pici, then i'll wait for the evening to make a cleaninstall ;-)
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> This is weird.. On the one machine with KDE i can drag/drop a image to the desktop. it gives a Menu to let me set it as wallpaper..but this machine dosent do that.
[13:03] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: you mean which of the times? :p
[13:03] <bjsnider> there's a bit of social engineering in calling this release a "beta"
[13:03] <kklimonda> ;)
[13:03] <bjsnider> looks a lot more inviting than "alpha 4"
[13:04] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: ??
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> How about Gamma, delta, omega,
[13:04] <BUGabundo_remote> morning BluesKaj
[13:05] <BUGabundo_remote> bjsnider: I was about to say that
[13:05] <BUGabundo_remote> the release team was _smart_ in renaming A4 to beta
[13:05] <BUGabundo_remote> *beta1
[13:05] <BluesKaj> hiyas BUGabundo_remote
[13:05] <BUGabundo_remote> and get earlier testers
[13:06] <BUGabundo_remote> I actually talked to yofel the other day about that
[13:06] <rww> Betas involve beta freeze. Alphas don't. If it hadn't been renamed from A4, we wouldn't have gotten that nice break from constant updates the last couple of days ;P
[13:08] <bjsnider> the alpha releases do have freezes as well
[13:08] <bjsnider> actually this is what fedora does. they release a "beta" at least 4 weeks before the final release
[13:10] <rww> bjsnider: yeah, but it's my understanding that the alpha freezes are "softer" than beta ones. I'm not a dev, though, so I could be wrong.
[13:11] <mikeconcepts> well, all available updates have been installed and the issue with network causing gvfsd-smb-browse to gobble the cpu still exists and network doesn't work until you kill the process and retry
[13:12] <BUGabundo_remote> rww: wrong. there are always FREEZES before miltestones
[13:12] <BUGabundo_remote> even for A1
[13:12] <BUGabundo_remote> I did notice a big slow down on updates... mostly my daily bots working
[13:13] <BUGabundo_remote> but I really like we get early feedback from users
[13:13] <BUGabundo_remote> with past schedule, ppl would come to late
[13:13] <BUGabundo_remote> and being this a LTS, even more ppl wait PAST release to upgrade
[13:13] <BUGabundo_remote> or come from older LTSs
[13:13] <mikeconcepts> I read the network issue was upstream, but don't know where to monitor progress
[13:14] <BUGabundo_remote> and by old beta/RC dates would be IMPOSSIBLE to fix anythign
[13:14] <BUGabundo_remote> mikeconcepts: usually LP
[13:14] <mikeconcepts> BUGabundo_remote, huh?
[13:14] <rww> BUGabundo_remote: yeah, but compare https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-February/000680.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000690.html . It's soft "make sure your uploads are appropriate" vs. "all uploads to main must be approved by a member of the release team"
[13:14] <rww> anyway
[13:15] <rww> we agree on it being a good thing that we have earlier betas :)
[13:15] <BUGabundo_remote> +1
[13:16] <mikeconcepts> BUGabundo_remote, point me to LP, since I never knew about it
[13:17] <BUGabundo_remote> really??
[13:17] <BUGabundo_remote> !launchpad | mikeconcepts
[13:21] <mikeconcepts> BUGabundo_remote, yeah, I didn't think
[13:21] <BUGabundo_remote> ROFL
[13:21] <mikeconcepts> me too
[13:27] <gain> bye
[14:00] <tgpraveen12> arand: yeah it works well.
[14:00] <tgpraveen12> i didnt try in all that many pdf though.
[14:00] <tgpraveen12> thx for the ppa. its a shame it wonte make it into lucid final.
[14:03] <arand> tgpraveen12: Yea, but it's kind of fair enough that they don't want to pull in a patch which isn't even incorporated upstream, now past FF..
[14:04] <tgpraveen12> arand: yeah true
[14:05] <osteenbergen> What is the UTC for the release of the first beta?
[14:11] <rww> osteenbergen: when it's ready. There isn't a set time.
[14:11] <benlu456> Hello, good day everyone
[14:13] <rww> QueenZ: No, it's not out yet.
[14:13] <QueenZ> oh hi :)
[14:13] <QueenZ> so when it will be out what address do i need to go to to get it?
[14:13] <QueenZ> beta.ubuntu.com?
[14:13] <rww> QueenZ: The topic in this channel will be updated with a link when it comes out. Type /topic to see the topic.
[14:13] <benlu456> Lucid
[14:14] <benlu456> Lucid x 90
[14:14] <QueenZ> what time is it in UK? now
[14:15] <benlu456> Do u know MAY DAY and HALLOWEEN?
[14:15] <rww> QueenZ: 2:15pm
[14:15] <QueenZ> oh
[14:15] <dupondje> just fetch the alpha ?
[14:15] <dupondje> do apt-get update & apt-get upgrade ? :P
[14:16] <QueenZ> why is there no info about Beta on Ubuntu.com?
[14:16] <rww> QueenZ: because it isn't out yet.
[14:16] <QueenZ> hmm ok..
[14:16] <QueenZ> it should be out by 5pm right?
[14:16] <rww> QueenZ: It'll be out when it's ready. There isn't a set time.
[14:16] <QueenZ> well it must be out today
[14:17] <QueenZ> oh and rww, how do you always get my nickname first before your message? is there a shortcut or smth?
[14:18] <rww> QueenZ: I type `Q' and then press the Tab key, it automatically turns into "QueenZ: "
[14:18] <QueenZ> rww: cool
[14:18] <benlu456> Lucid
[14:19] <benlu456> Should be April Day
[14:21] <nou> oh it's beta day ? :)
[14:21] <rww> nou: yes
[14:21] <nou> just after paddy's day... -:)
[14:22] <csgeek> is the sun-java6-jdk dropped from lucid? or am I just seeing things
[14:24] <QueenZ> who's goning to upgrade to Beta 1?
[14:25] <syk> <
[14:26] <soee_> gonna reinstall system using b1 :)
[14:28] <benlu456> no download?
[14:28] <QueenZ> soee_: yay
[14:30] <QueenZ> i can't wait to see Beta 1
[14:30] <csgeek> is it released yet?
[14:30] <rww> csgeek: no
[14:30] <QueenZ> csgeek: not yet
[14:30] <csgeek> I presume it's just a dist-upgrade once it's out if you're on lucid already
[14:30] <QueenZ> csgeek: will be today
[14:30] <rww> Y'all realize that if you've been upgrading Lucid from alpha-whatever, you have the same thing as Beta 1 will be, right?
[14:31] <rww> csgeek: shouldn't even need a dist-upgrade, but yes.
[14:31] <csgeek> sure.. but then you'll miss that joyous feeling of waiting for your precious downloads as all the mirrors are clogged
[14:31] <csgeek> must have beta.... must...
[14:31] <rww> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" would do fine :)
[14:32] <rww> csgeek: indeed :)
[14:32] <BUGabundo_remote> csgeek: as I told you before: partner repo
[14:34] <syk> is there a fix for the plymoth bug 538292?
[14:35] <syk> k
[14:48]  * csgeek debates if he wants to install lucid on the laptop yet or not 
[14:49] <KB1JWQ> csgeek: My laptop shows up by 3PM local time; I'll be doing it.
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> Testing out the latest Kubuntu here on the netbook. Its working decently well
[14:50] <csgeek> yeah.. Kubuntu is what I'm interested in
[14:50] <csgeek> well.. considering I have issues with my current laptop.. I guess it won't get any worse
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> The Kde netbook stuff - is very interesting.. but a little.. quirky
[14:53] <csgeek> I haven't looked at KDE netbooks
[14:54] <csgeek> I mean kubunut in general I prefer kde over gnome.. look/feel
[14:59] <anichols> How large of a swap file do I really need for Lucid?  1.9 GiB of RAM, and not sure if I'll use Hibernation...haven't needed to use it yet.
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> I decided to try kde4.4 again.. and it has gotten a LOT better :)
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  2gb to be ultra safe.. id say 512mb min.
[15:00] <anichols> Dr_Willis: How is 2 GiB 'ultra-safe'?
[15:01] <rww> anichols: if you want to hibernate, you need at least the amount of RAM that you're using at the time, so you want at least 2GB to be sure of that. Other than that, there isn't a decent rule that I know of these days.
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  if you DO ever want to use hibernate/suspend you want at least as much as ram
[15:01]  * rww has 4GB, no swap :\
[15:01] <anichols> What exactly does hiberation/suspension give me?
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> even with huge gb's i hear its still best to set up some swap partition.
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  You hibernate/suspend instead of powering off...
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> good for laptops.. but not as handy for desktops,
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> but with the fast boot times - its not that big a deal
[15:02] <anichols> What benefit is there in that when booting takes all of 15 seconds?
[15:02] <rww> anichols: exactly the reason I don't use it :)
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  tell that to the windows people
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> it also saves your open docs/apps/other stuff
[15:02] <rww> Dr_Willis: It isn't used until you run out of RAM (assuming you're not doing hibernation), and if I manage to use 4GB of RAM, something's going badly wrong and needs to be killed anyway.
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> but i never use  it either
[15:02] <rww> and would probably expand through whatever swap i have
[15:03]  * anichols used to BE a Windows person, and has never used hibernation.
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> rww:  i recall some articals/benchmarks ages ago on this topic. for some reason even with lots of ram. somthing in the kernel. got slowed down a little if there was no swap partition at all. (i dont rember the details and it was at least 2 yrs ago i saw the artical)
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> so it may be different now
[15:03] <rww> and I didn't have a swap file on my 4GB RAM Windows machine either, and it also worked fine. btw.
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> I find that supriseing for windows. :)
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> You LOOK at windows and it swaps to disk..
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:03] <rww> Dr_Willis: Yeah, I remember hearing about that. From my testing at the time, there was no actual noticible slowdown.
[15:04] <rww> Dr_Willis: not when you have 4GB of RAM, it doesn't ;P
[15:04] <rww> of course, this all varies based on what you're doing on the machine
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> rww:  from what ive noticed on friends machines it does.. not sure why. they boot up their 6gb desktop amchine.. i look.. its using swap.. and it still has like 90% ram free..  No idea why.
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> I gave up on figuring out the logic of windows.
[15:05] <rww> a wise decision :)
[15:05] <anichols> Dr_Willis: My rule on windows swaps was easy.  Let Windows manage it.  But for Ubuntu...well...the default gave me a rather sizable swap partition, and I know for a fact I don't use any of it.
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> The same logic that the store sells 'crapware removal service for your new windows machine for 'only' $45' :)
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas do put my windows swap on a differnt hard drive at the least. :)
[15:06] <KB1JWQ> Well crap.
[15:06] <anichols> Dr_Willis:  Which improves performance, but on a laptop, you don't normally have multiple drives.
[15:06] <KB1JWQ> I've got an SSD, and didn't want to devote the space to swap.
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  dont forget the 5% of ext2/3/4 thats reserved also. :)
[15:07] <anichols> KB1JWQ: Actually a SSD makes a GREAT place for a swap file, if you actually use one.
[15:07] <KB1JWQ> 8 gigs of RAM is hefty to hiberhate.
[15:07] <KB1JWQ> hibernate*
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> KB1JWQ:  :) yep.
[15:07] <rww> KB1JWQ: writing out 8GB of RAM to disk would probably take longer than just restarting =\
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> I have so many OTHER issues with hibernate. I never use it.
[15:08] <KB1JWQ> rww: It's an IBM x25-m.  I'm pretty sure IO speeds are tolerable. :-)
[15:08] <KB1JWQ> Well, the t510 doesn't standby properly yet.
[15:08] <anichols> Dr_Willis: /dev/sda1 (ext3 mounted to /), 227.45 GB, /dev/sda2 (extended), 5.43 GiB, /dev/sda5 (linux-swap), 5.43GiB.  (Hardy Heron defaults on my 227.45 GiB...hence why I ask every so often when I come up with questions...so I can do better with Lucid when it goes LTS.
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> i always use all primaries also.  :)
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> Now for the 'swap should be at the start of the drive, or middle, or end' debate ......
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:10] <Dr_Willis> I find that dosent matter  :) if you are using swap.. thats 100x the hit on speed that puting it in a different place will be.
[15:10] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know how much swap this thing setup.
[15:10] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Benefits of start....easier to extend in GPartEd.  Benefits of middle...can't think of any.  Benefits of end...keeps it out of the way when you know you'll never change it?
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> Oh Noes. Im using 9460 of swap for some reason
[15:11] <anichols> What was the command to see how much swap you are using again?
[15:11] <rww> free
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> free -m
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> is a little easier to read
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. this default install.. set up 8gb of swap?  wowsers
[15:12] <anichols> $ free -m
[15:12] <anichols>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[15:12] <anichols> Mem:          1898       1367        531          0         67        653
[15:12] <anichols> -/+ buffers/cache:        646       1252
[15:12] <anichols> Swap:         5561          0       5561
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> Swap:         8463          9       8454
[15:12] <Dr_Willis>  /dev/sdb5           47563       48641     8667036   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[15:13] <KB1JWQ> dwHow much RAM do you have?
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> Looks like it set up 8gb of swap.. odd. :)
[15:13] <anichols> And that's running Pidgin, Firefox, VLC media player, and a handful of other apps.
[15:13] <KB1JWQ> Dr_Willis: rather.  How much RAM do you have? :-)
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> Mem:          2890
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> 3gb i thought..
[15:13] <KB1JWQ> That's messed up. :-)
[15:13] <anichols> 3 gig, it seems.
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> I Thought i let it 'auto partition' also.
[15:13] <anichols> Dr_Willis: 3 gig - on board video - 2890?
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  that may be it.  I did reeneable the onboard video the other day
[15:14] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Mine's 2 G, but my total is 1898.
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> I realized my pcie video card = 2 monitors out + the onboard = I can get 3 Monitor outs. :)
[15:14] <anichols> Nice
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> but i have issues getting all 3 working IN linux. they do work in windows
[15:14] <anichols> Or not so nice...
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> I think the onboard uses a different driver version then the pcie
[15:14] <anichols> *laughs*
[15:14] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Most likely.
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> It worked.. Once.. i rebootd.. it failed to come back up.
[15:15] <anichols> Too bad you can't use the onboard for Windows, and the two other monitors for Ubuntu.
[15:18] <anichols> Hmm...looking at Xfce, KDE, and Gnome...so I know what version of Lucid will be best for me when it goes LTS.  Any advice?
[15:18] <Dr_Willis> depends onyour needs and hardware
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> I cant stand xfce or lxde  :)
[15:19] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Why?
[15:19] <rww> anichols: try each for a week or two. It takes that long to get comfortable with them.
[15:20] <rww> personally, I like Xubuntu, but different things work for different people :)
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  i cant stand the default file manager for one.. and they are both lacking in way too many features i like
[15:20] <anichols> rww: And reinstall Ubuntu each time?  Once for XUbuntu, once for KUbuntu, once for Ubuntu?
[15:20] <rww> !purexfce
[15:20] <rww> !purekde
[15:20] <rww> !puregnome
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  you can have all the desktops installed at one time.. there can be some quirks however
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  or test using the live cds
[15:21] <rww> dunno if those are updated for Lucid, but you can switch from only having one installed to only having another installed.
[15:21] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Which means burning 3 CDs?
[15:21] <rww> or install them all and deal with overly-cluttered menus
[15:21] <rww> anichols: or using one USB stick.
[15:21] <anichols> rww: HAven't figured out how to make a Live USB, to be honest.
[15:22] <rww> anichols: grab an ISO, grab a USB stick, tell System -> Administration -> USB something or other creator about them, and you're done.
[15:22] <anichols> rww: There's nothing about USB in System->Administration of my machine.
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  virtualbox, flash drives.. unetbootin.. or you can set up grub2 to boot an iso file from hd.. so No.. You dont need to burn cd;s :)
[15:23] <rww> anichols: oh, they renamed it. "Startup disk creator"
[15:23] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Ah, I see...virtualbox might work, but I heard the other day that Lucid as a client causes bugs.
[15:23] <anichols> rww: No startup disk creator here either.
[15:23] <rww> anichols: you're missing the usb-creator-gtk package, then
[15:24] <rww> (it's installed by default)
[15:24] <DoDi> hi, I'm just booting after the upgrade to 10.04. How to deal with reported application crashes?
[15:24] <duffydack> http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html  if you have a big enough stick
[15:24] <anichols> duffydack: 8 gig enough of a stick?
[15:24] <duffydack> anichols, course
[15:25] <duffydack> anichols, I meant, big enough for having multiple distros on it...
[15:25] <Dr_Willis> each iso is 700mb.. :)
[15:25] <duffydack> anichols, but it has the side affect of making it super easy to stick an iso on usb
[15:25] <psusi> anybody else running an SSD?  I have an OCZ Vertex 64 gig and I have noticed that disabling NCQ paradoxically speeds it up... wondering if anyone else has noticed this.
[15:25] <Dr_Willis> i fit several ubuntu variants and other mini disrtos on a usb stick + grub2
[15:26] <coz_> psusi,  mm no I dont yet  I am a bit jealous actually :)
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Im suprised a SSD even has NCQ.
[15:26] <anichols> psusi: I wish I had an SSD, but I'm too broke to buy one.
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> From what i recall of NCQ. im not sure how a SSD can have it.
[15:27] <psusi> Dr_Willis: I kinda was too... doesn't seem like it would be all that helpful
[15:27] <anichols> When I build my residential/business server, I'll end up needing 6 SSDs for maximum performance.
[15:27] <anichols> But that's in the future, when I'm ready to open a computer repair/game shop.
[15:27] <psusi> hehe... I just got the thing last friday... under $200 now so I decided to go for it... it's FAST
[15:27] <Dr_Willis> psusi:  from what i recall reading ages ago.. NCQ dident really help real hard drives much either
[15:27] <solid_liq> anichols, you won't need that much
[15:27] <anichols> psusi: I bet a SSD + Lucid = less than 10 second boot.
[15:27] <psusi> Dr_Willis: but it should at least not slow things down... when I disabled it I get better performance
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> psusi:  leave it disabled then. :)
[15:28] <anichols> solid_liq: It'll be using multiple motherboards.
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> it may be tryign to do optmizations that are not needed and hurting things I guess
[15:28] <coz_> psusi,   I dont know does it make sense on a drive that allows direct access anyway?
[15:28] <coz_> psusi,   if its faster disabling that then go for it
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> dosent make sence to me.. then again. i wonder WHERE/HOW are you even enable/disabling NCQ?
[15:28] <coz_> psusi,  I am not sure what the purpose might be on an ssd
[15:28] <psusi> Dr_Willis: well it shouldn't help much for sequential access, but should not hurt either... for real world randomish access patterns is where it should help
[15:28] <solid_liq> anichols, sounds like overkill
[15:28] <psusi> anichols: yea... 5 actually ;)
[15:29] <psusi> Dr_Willis: under /sys/block/sdc/device/queue_depth... it defaults to 31, which is as many tagged commands as the drive supports... changing it to 1 disables NCQ
[15:29] <anichols> solid_liq: It'll be making full use of VirtualBox to run all the systems within a residence by WiFi (until I get a store front), then the business by wired connections.
[15:30] <LaserJock> anybody have an iPod? and are you using something like gtkpod to put music on it?
[15:30] <psusi> Dr_Willis: you can also do it with hdparm -Q
[15:30] <anichols> solid_liq: In the residential environment, maybe 4 users at most, but then I'd not be using all the hardware that the custom case will be able to hold.  In the business enviroment, I'll max the sucker out.
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Testing out Kubuntu. And I cant customize any of the special effects *the compiz like ones* -  i enable them. the key combos do not activate them
[15:31] <shadeslayer> hi how do i reinstall the nouveau package?
[15:31] <coz_> psusi,  so how much faster is this without NCQ?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> also does it support composting?
[15:32] <anichols> shadeslayer: *not 100% sure this would work* sudo apt-get purge nouveau && sudo apt-get install nouveau
[15:32] <coz_> shadeslayer,  no it doesn not
[15:32] <coz_> shadeslayer,  well wait
[15:32] <coz_> shadeslayer,  actually I am not sure
[15:32] <shadeslayer> coz_: ok lets see :)
[15:33] <coz_> shadeslayer,  I think if you use the onboard compositor it justmight work
[15:33] <coz_> shadeslayer,  but definitly not 3d acceleration
[15:33] <coz_> I wonder how many MLC flash channels on that drive?
[15:33] <solid_liq> anichols, or you could just give it plenty of ram
[15:34] <Dr_Willis> Heh. Playing with Kubuntu and # of desktops and all my plasmisds moved to the other desktop..  weirdness..
[15:34] <anichols> solid_liq: Trust me, I will be.  The business environment will be an internet cafe for gamers.
[15:34] <coz_> Dr_Willis, oooo
[15:35] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  good think I dont have kubuntu installed...i would be cursing at that point :)
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> Im just playing with all the settings.
[15:35] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Why would you be cursing KUbuntu?  And what about your opinions on XUbuntu and Ubuntu?
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> I move the mouse wheel and it  sort of 'cube' rotates up/down  to get to the other desktop. Sort of amuseing
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  xubbuntu = xfce  and it uses a file manager i hate. and  the feature set is lacking
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  if the system can handle it. use gnome or kde - i would suggest
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> low end machines - lubuntu, or xubuntu
[15:36] <rww> psh. it's all about twm.
[15:36] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Which do you personally like better?  Gnome or KDE?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> or even hight end.
[15:36] <anichols> Dr_Willis: And what would you consider low-end?
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  old stuff. :)  with low ram.  Stuff ive proberly junked over the last 2 years..
[15:37] <charlie-tca> It really is whichever you prefer. Myself, I won't use gnome. It doesn't do what I want, and I don't like the appearance.
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> heh
[15:37] <coz_> only gnome here
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> Im really getting more impressed with the  kde4.4 feature set
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Dr_Willis: Why can't you use Xubuntu with new equipment?
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> and its not crashed on me.
[15:37] <coz_> and I pronounce it   "nome" with a silent g :)
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> charlie-tca:  you can.. but why bother
[15:37] <shadeslayer> coz_: theres no package of that name
[15:38] <shadeslayer> anichols: ^^
[15:38] <meanburrito920_> so anyone know when the beta1 build will be up? It is scheduled for today...
[15:38] <anichols> Dr_Willis: I think you'd call my laptop low-end.
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Because it works better than gnome; because it has better configuration options
[15:38] <solid_liq> coz_, same here
[15:38] <wjm> meanburrito920: generally between noon and 8pm central
[15:38] <coz_> solid_liq,  :)
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  my netbook is running KDE 4.4 decently well. :)
[15:38] <charlie-tca> It doesn't even have the buttons on the left, unless you really want them there
[15:38] <shadeslayer> well the kubuntu iso has loads of bugs..
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is also faster then gnome
[15:39] <coz_> well break time for me  also lunch time..coincidental?  i dont think so lol
[15:39] <psusi> coz_: was maybe 20% faster in sequential dd read test, and 5% faster when pbuildering a sizable package
[15:39] <coz_> psusi,  ah cool
[15:39] <psusi> coz_: make that 10% faster when building
[15:39] <coz_> psusi,   I need to get ahold of one
[15:39] <psusi> coz_: went from 5m30s to just 5m
[15:39] <coz_> mm
[15:39] <psusi> for building gnome-applets
[15:40] <coz_> psusi,  I will see if I can get one wholesale  from my nephew   I want the intel  high end one with 2,000,000  hours lige
[15:40] <coz_> life
[15:40] <anichols> Dr_Willis: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 410 @ 1.46GHz, 1944MB memory, Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS, 1280x800 ATI Radeon Xpress 200M, 250 gig HDD
[15:40] <Tjol_> hi - When will the Beat for Lucis be out?
[15:40] <Tjol_> Beta
[15:40] <Tjol_> Lucid
[15:40] <coz_> anichols,  that should be able to deal with things fine
[15:40] <Tjol_> lol - no - I am not drinking :)
[15:41] <anichols> The Lucid Beta-1 is -scheduled- to be released today.  Don't know when, but today.
[15:41] <coz_> Tjol_,  i would hold off for a few hours...
[15:41] <anichols> coz_: Now you see another reason I'm no longer with Windows.
[15:41] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  thats not really a 'low' end machine.   its got better specs in some ways then my netbook.
[15:41] <coz_> anichols,   :)
[15:41] <rww> Tjol_: sometime today, there isn't a set time.
[15:41] <anichols> Dr_Willis: But I'm not using a netbook.  I'm on a full out laptop.
[15:41] <Dr_Willis> anichols:  so?
[15:41] <coz_> well lunch time  talk later :)
[15:41] <Tjol_> I will have to - as the Download manager tells me I am about to download teh Alpha version
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> You got more CPU *i think* and Defainatly more ram  then My netbook does.. and my netbook does kde 4.4 very well
[15:42] <BoondoKLife> Is there a way to get wireless working on a computer that does not have network access. I know it needs a hardware driver that is found by jockey but dont want to have to move the computer.
[15:42] <anichols> Dr_Willis: So I should have some edge over you, since your box is physically smaller.  You aren't Foundation, able to fit a nuclear reactor in a walnut shell. :P
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> BoondoKLife:  run a looooooong cable :)
[15:44] <BoondoKLife> Dr_Willis: lol
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> I got a 100ft cat6 just for such emergancies
[15:44] <anichols> BoondoKLife: Should wireless drivers come with your Ubuntu install?
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> actually i got  2 of them :)
[15:44] <BoondoKLife> Dr_Willis: is there not a way to load something onto a usb stick and install it?
[15:44] <BoondoKLife> anichols: yea for most of my boxes it does, but this one it does not
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> BoondoKLife:  there is.. and ive never done it.
[15:45] <anichols> BoondoKLife: Weirdness
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> night all.. bed time for me.
[15:48] <anichols> So back to my original question...for a 2 gig RAM laptop running Lucid, what should I use for a swap partition assuming I will not use Hibernation?
[15:48] <anichols> Near-zero?
[15:49] <wjm> I just got an update for parted pushed out to me - won't let me install it though
[15:49] <DoDi> does there exist a swapfile monitor?
[15:50] <ubuntu> Some of my hard drives don't appear in the installer's partitioner, yet they appear just fine in 9.10. Anyone have an idea?
[15:50] <donEduardo> hi there.
[15:50] <anichols> DoDi: Run 'free' in Terminal, that shows you RAM and Swap usage at the time of your command.
[15:50] <anichols> donEduardo: Hello
[15:51] <donEduardo> i spotted a problem with mythtv-backend and upstart in 10.04 alpha
[15:51] <DoDi> anichols, then you can get an estimate for your swap partition size
[15:51] <djbender> (now that I have the right name), Some of my hard drives don't appear in the installer's partitioner, yet they appear just fine in 9.10. Anyone have an idea?
[15:51] <anichols> DoDi: Yes, and my partition is extremely large (by default) and I never see any usage in it whatsoever, no matter what combo of apps I run.
[15:52] <anichols> DoDi: Hence why I'm asking what the minimal swap partition for such a system would be.
[15:52] <donEduardo> problem is, that locale is not set before mythtv-backend starts (or not at all...)... POSIX locale leads mythtv-backend not to find non-ascii videofiles or medifiles
[15:52] <donEduardo> does anyone know where locale is supposed to be set up in upstart?
[15:52] <DoDi> anichols, I dunno what will happen when you set it too small
[15:54] <DoDi> I still have problems with the font sizes
[15:54] <DoDi> the window caption font is tiny, others are 2-3 times as big
[15:54] <anichols> DoDi: That should be editable.  Have you tried changing it in System -> Preferences -> Appearance?
[15:56] <DoDi> it's set to KDE fonts
[15:56] <jimlovell777> is the white box around this http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/228/statusz.png Firestarter status bar icon a bug or just an icon without transparent edges?
[15:57] <DoDi> anichols, what should I try to modify?
[15:57] <wjm> jimlovell777: probably non-transparent icon
[15:57] <anichols> DoDi: I'd look at the font sizes of each option there, and tinker until it's the way you want.
[15:58] <jimlovell777> wjm: Do you know where I can find that icon to investigate? Is it in my /home folder or /usr?
[15:58] <anichols> DoDi: In the fonts tab I use...
[15:58] <DoDi> I just can't find settings->preferences?
[15:58] <anichols> DoDi: App = Sans 8, Doc = Sans 8, Desktop = Sans 7, Sans Bold = 8, Fixed = Mono 8
[15:59] <DoDi> cannot get there :-(
[15:59] <anichols> DoDi: Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[15:59] <DoDi> 10.04, just booted for the first time
[15:59] <wjm> jimlovell777: not off-hand but there's been a couple of bugs with the firestarter artwork
[15:59] <cellx> hi, my wlan with the intel chip ipw2200 didn work with lucid also in karmic. anyone idea?
[15:59] <anichols> DoDi: 10.04 Ubuntu?  XUbuntu? KUbuntu?
[15:59] <DoDi> Kubuntu
[16:00] <anichols> DoDi: Ah, that's why.  I haven't tried KUbuntu yet....one minute, let me see if I can google something?
[16:00] <jimlovell777> wjm: Ok thanks. I'll wait it out. I just wasn't positive it's not a bug, I've been getting an outline around my desktop wallpaper which is a bug.
[16:00] <DoDi> I think that I'll retry with Ubuntu, when the Beta is out
[16:01] <anichols> DoDi: Maybe this link will help you? http://blog.creonfx.com/linux/kubuntu-kde4-adept-small-font-size
[16:04] <DoDi> anichols, kdesudo systemsettings killed my system - no more response
[16:04] <genii> Hm. sudo lshw is giving some really strange gibberish for hard drive configuration. http://pastebin.com/TMLjxDcA     Note lines 343 and 402.   SMART monitoring shows no imminent failures, filesystems are also marked clean.
[16:06] <anichols> DoDi: Sorry... Not sure what else to do, then.
[16:06] <anichols> DoDi: I'm not an expert....still learning, myself.
[16:06] <DoDi> it responds again :-)
[16:06] <DoDi> ah - good luck
[16:07] <anichols> What's the smallest possible linux-swap partition in Lucid, anyway?
[16:07] <DoDi> if you are not sure, use an swapfile instead?
[16:08] <anichols> I'm trying to figure out the smallest possible swap for my system.
[16:08] <psusi> anichols: smallest possible would be none at all
[16:08] <anichols> And having little luck.  If I wanted hibernation, I'd use 2.2 GiB, but I don't hibernate at all.
[16:08] <anichols> psusi: And no swap at all, from what I've read, is not recommended.
[16:09] <psusi> anichols: yea... but it seems that's what you want...
[16:10] <anichols> psusi: What I want is the smallest I can get away with without going without.
[16:10] <anichols> psusi: I guess I could use 2.2 GiB, and then resize it downwards after the fact.
[16:10]  * anichols prefers to plan it out instead of fudging after the fact.
[16:11] <researcher1> how can I help in testing 10.04? I want to contribute something to its  growth
[16:12] <rww> genii: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lshw/+bug/512251
[16:12] <Tjol_> How do I setup this IRC (XChat-GNOME 0.26.1) that it does not show the people that joins or exits?
[16:12] <rww> genii: looks like it's fixed upstream, I don't know if/when it'll end up in Lucid.
[16:15] <Some_Person> Anyone know when beta1 will be out?
[16:15] <rww> Some_Person: sometime today. there isn't a set time.
[16:17] <Some_Person> Will I have to apt-get upgrade a buttload of packages when it does come out?
[16:18] <genii> rww: Thanks
[16:18] <Mimi> Dude, I see beta1 was announced, but  i can't find a torrent for it.
[16:19] <rww> Some_Person: no, if you've been updating an alpha install regularly, you pretty much already have beta 1
[16:19] <cellx> Mimi: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ <- download it
[16:19] <Pici> Mimi: Where do you see that it was announced?
[16:19] <Mimi> The wiki
[16:20] <rww> Mimi: It's coming out sometime today. It has not yet been released.
[16:20] <Mimi> i thought it was 12;00 gmt?
[16:20] <rww> Mimi: there isn't a set time
[16:20] <Pici> There is never a set time for releases.
[16:20] <Mimi> Okay
[16:20] <Tjol_> its not a cd image yet..........
[16:20] <Tjol_> its not at cd image yet..........
[16:21] <Mimi> okay,  i hope they have torrent,    downloading from firefox or wget is ewwww slow :P
[16:21] <Some_Person> Mimi: Really? HTTP is faster than torrents for me, always
[16:21] <Pici> Mimi: They will
[16:22] <Mimi> good to know, pici,thanks
[16:22] <Mimi> OK,im going back to cuddling then :
[16:22] <Mimi> :P bye and thanks :)
[16:23] <40FAAMHAU> Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 1 is out
[16:23] <40FAAMHAU> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/beta-1/
[16:24] <DoDi> URL not found?
[16:24] <rww> 40FAAMHAU: 1) that link 404s, 2) that domain is for Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud, which is a different thing :)
[16:24] <Some_Person> 40FAAMHAU: 404
[16:24] <40FAAMHAU> what about this?
[16:24] <40FAAMHAU> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview
[16:24] <rww> When Beta 1 comes out, the /topic here will be updated, and it'll be announced at the bottom of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/thread.html
[16:24] <rww> 40FAAMHAU: what about it?
[16:25] <40FAAMHAU> it says...
[16:25] <40FAAMHAU> This is the first Ubuntu 10.04 beta release, which brings a host of exciting new features.
[16:25] <Some_Person> 40FAAMHAU: Someone updated the page for a release that will happen today
[16:25] <rww> 40FAAMHAU: that would be because slanasek is busy prepping documentation for the beta :)
[16:25] <40FAAMHAU> Some_Person: oh that makes sense
[16:26] <rww> there's a g in there somewhere...
[16:26] <40FAAMHAU> rww: who's slanasek?
[16:26] <charlie-tca> a developer
[16:26] <40FAAMHAU> oh ok
[16:26] <Pici> *slangasek
[16:26] <charlie-tca> and the release manager
[16:26] <rww> Pici: thanks
[16:26] <40FAAMHAU> will ther ebe an announcement when the beta comes out?
[16:27] <rww> 40FAAMHAU: see my message two minutes ago
[16:27] <Pici> 40FAAMHAU: Yes, we'll update the topic here.
[16:27] <40FAAMHAU> but no announcement on ubuntu.com itself?
[16:27] <Pici> As soon as I see word from the release manager or an email to ubuntu-devel, I'll change the topic, promise.
[16:28] <40FAAMHAU> Pici: thanks
[16:29] <Some_Person> 40FAAMHAU: I still don't get how torrents can be faster than HTTP for you
[16:29] <40FAAMHAU> Some_Person: huh? what are you talking about?
[16:29] <Some_Person> 40FAAMHAU: You said that you wanted to download it from a torrent because it would be faster
[16:30] <yofel> Some_Person: the main server is usually very slow on release days (simply overloaded) so torrent is usually faster in the beginning
[16:30] <Some_Person> Even though there would be practically no seeders?
[16:30] <rww> Some_Person: that was Mimi
[16:31] <Some_Person> oh, i typed the wrong name
[16:31] <QueenZ> where can i see the /topic?
[16:31] <Some_Person> QueenZ: type /topic
[16:31] <yofel> Some_Person: a few seeders download the image per http while the server isn't yet overloaded, so there will be a few
[16:31] <rww> QueenZ: type "/topic" in the same place you'd usually type messages
[16:31] <QueenZ> Some_Person: right..
[16:31] <QueenZ> so what will it say when Beta comes out?
[16:31] <Pici> It'll say that the beta was released.
[16:31] <QueenZ> Pici: ok
[16:31] <h00k> So, is the netbook edition supposed to have the close buttons on the top right, or should they be consistent with the next edition and be on the left?
[16:32] <h00k> Also, what is the name of...that panel on top that I could report the bug to?
[16:32] <h00k> it's not a gnome-panel, but it's
[16:32] <h00k> OH, netbook-launcher
[16:32] <rww> h00k: which panel? the special netbooky one with window icons and titles in it?
[16:32] <rww> h00k: netbook launcher is the main menu thing, not the panel at the top
[16:32] <h00k> rww: yep
[16:32] <rww> h00k: that's window-picker-applet running on gnome-panel
[16:33] <h00k> rww: cool. Thank you.
[16:33] <rww> it is in karmic, anyway, and the five minutes i spent in lucid UNE it looked the same
[16:33] <QueenZ> Ubuntu 10.04 will come with a new theme right?
[16:33] <QueenZ> i mean the new default theme
[16:33] <Pici> Yes.
[16:33] <Some_Person> QueenZ: Yes
[16:33] <rww> QueenZ: yes, the new default theme will be in beta 1
[16:33] <Some_Person> It's already in lucid dailies
[16:33] <rww> indeed
[16:34] <DanaG> heh, I left in my sd card with Angstrom (ew) on it, and grub on my host "Found unknown Linux distribution on /dev/mmcblk0p2
[16:34] <Some_Person> mmcblk0p2?
[16:35] <DanaG> yup, that's where my SD reader puts stuff.
[16:35] <DanaG> MMC block device 0, partition 2
[16:36] <Some_Person> My SD card is detected as /dev/sdb
[16:36] <DanaG> That's what my other system (a netbook) does: the SD reader is usb-based.
[16:36] <DanaG> This one here is PCI-based.
[16:36] <rww> ditto here
[16:36] <Some_Person> My BIOS calls it "USB Hard Drive"
[16:36] <rww> my sheevaplug uses the mmcblk thing, my netbook uses sdb
[16:37] <DanaG> hmm, where'd you get your sheevaplug?
[16:37]  * DanaG wishes somebody would release the Marvell thingy with VIDEO!
[16:37] <rww> DanaG: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/
[16:37] <_jst> is ubuntu server beta1 available?
[16:37] <DanaG> What actual timefram do orders from there take?
[16:37] <rww> DanaG: it doesn't work on Ubuntu past Jaunty, though (I'm running Debian testing on it)
[16:37] <Some_Person> _jst: not yet
[16:37] <_jst> ok thx
[16:37] <rww> DanaG: I ordered mine around Christmastime. It said 2-3 weeks. it took 4
[16:38] <DanaG> ah.  What I have right now is a BeagleBoard.
[16:38] <DanaG> I wish they'd release the new "Plug Computer 3.0" with the SATA.
[16:38] <Some_Person> I've got my entire lucid install on an SD card
[16:38] <DanaG> Same here for my beagle.  woof.
[16:39] <contrast> Greets, everyone... I just installed Kubuntu Lucid via the minimal CD -> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. Now when I try to boot, the screen blanks when X should start. I'm able to switch to a TTY, and I tried manually setting the video driver to "intel" and "i915" in xorg.conf, both to no avail (this is on an old desktop with an 82865G integrated graphics controller). Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
[16:39] <Some_Person> Imagine seeing tiny SD cards with gigabytes of memory 10 years ago when floppies were still common
[16:40] <DanaG> My first computer had a 540MB hard drive.
[16:40] <rww> contrast: try switching to VTs 1 and 7 with Ctrl-Alt-F1 and Ctrl-Alt-F7. There is/was a silly plymouth bug that was causing blank screens when X starts.
[16:40] <Some_Person> I have a computer (still working) with a 20MB external hard drive
[16:41] <DanaG> Oldest computer I still have around: P2 266 with 192 megs of RAM.
[16:42] <DanaG> Laptop.  Neomagic video card with 2.5 megs of video RAM.  Not enough even for single-buffer 1024x768 32-bit color.
[16:42] <DanaG> And the LCD itself does only 16-bit color.
[16:42] <Some_Person> DanaG: Oldest computer I have working: Macintosh SE with 8MHz processor and 4MB RAM
[16:42] <contrast> rww: Thanks, but I already tried that - switched to TTY1, then back to 7 (and 8, as I've seen X mapped to that on some systems), no dice... You think uninstalling Plymouth might solve the issue?
[16:42] <Some_Person> 1-bit CRT monitor (black and white, no grey)
[16:43] <rww> contrast: possibly, but if it's a plymouth problem, VT switching usually gets it working for me. It's worth a try, though.
[16:44] <Some_Person> With all the problems plymouth keeps having, why not just switch back to xsplash?
[16:44] <contrast> rww: Cool, thanks for the info. Gonna try that.
[16:46] <h00k> I did submit it as Bug 541062
[16:46] <h00k> rww: ^
[16:49] <h00k> Complete with screenshots!
[16:49] <h00k> also, red circles!
[16:50] <contrast> rww: Gah... You were right-- removed Plymouth, exact same problem.
[16:51] <alex_mayorga> would there be/is it an easy way to get those buttons back to the left?
[16:51] <rww> alex_mayorga: I assume you mean "right"?
[16:52] <alex_mayorga> rww: right, you're right, I meant right I want mi right to keep them on the right, that's right!
[16:52] <alex_mayorga> /mi/my
[16:52] <rww> alex_mayorga: http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[16:53] <alex_mayorga> rww: I know of gconftool, but would there be a GUI way?
[16:53] <rww> alex_mayorga: not in GNOME, no
[16:53] <alex_mayorga> I can already see #ubuntu swamped with "how do I change my buttons back?"
[16:54] <mc44> https://launchpad.net/mwbuttons
[16:55] <alex_mayorga> mc44: thanks!
[16:58] <alex_mayorga> !info mwbuttons
[16:58] <mc44> I don't think anyone has packaged it yet ;p
[16:58] <alex_mayorga> :(
[17:00] <Some_Person> My PPA will put the buttons in their karmic positions and fix the graphical issues with doing so: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[17:00] <DanaG> weird: plymouth doesn't give me a splash -- it just gives me a blank, black screen.
[17:01] <meanburrito920_> So I just attempted to boot the daily-live iso, and it hangs immediately after saying: checking the 'hlt' instruction... OK.
[17:02] <alex_mayorga> Bug #541070 FWIW
[17:02] <Some_Person> mwbuttons will make the minimize button appear in a little box though
[17:03] <alex_mayorga> Some_Person: another bug to report then ;)
[17:03] <Some_Person> alex_mayorga: Can't be fixed though without changing the default order
[17:03] <meanburrito920_> from google, I'm led to believe that my issue is with IO-APIC. I'm booting in Virtualbox. Would that have anything to do with it?
[17:03] <meanburrito920_> although previous live cds boot fine from the virtual box
[17:04] <Some_Person> otherwise the default order wouldn't look right
[17:05] <alex_mayorga> Some_Person: sorry I don't think I follow
[17:07] <Some_Person> mwbuttons would most likely give you something like this: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4710/screenshotappearancepre.png
[17:09] <Some_Person> My PPA gives you this instead: http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4710/screenshotappearancepre.png
[17:09] <meanburrito920_> ah, fixed it
[17:10] <researcher1> hi
[17:10] <holstein> Some_Person: why would i want that instead of editing gconf?
[17:10] <Some_Person> holstein: Editing gconf gives you the first screenshot I just posted. My PPA gives you the second
[17:11]  * holstein looking
[17:11] <amikrop> Hello. Isn't Beta1 released yet?
[17:11] <rww> amikrop: it's not released yet
[17:11] <amikrop> rww: Is it gonna be released today?
[17:11] <rww> amikrop: should be, yes
[17:11] <amikrop> rww: Nice, thanks.
[17:12] <holstein> Some_Person: OIC
[17:13] <Some_Person> holstein: Would you not agree that with karmic's button order, the PPA looks better?
[17:13] <syk> Some_Person, whats the PPA for it
[17:13] <holstein> Some_Person: agreed :)
[17:14] <rww> If we have nothing better to do than bikeshed about the button order, I'd say Linux is doing pretty well as a desktop OS, personally :)
[17:14]  * DanaG still finds the theme ugly, and sticks with Human.
[17:14] <DanaG> bike shed?
[17:14] <Some_Person> syk: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[17:14] <DanaG> I'd rather just say "gripe"
[17:14] <rww> DanaG: that works too :)
[17:15] <DanaG> Now THIS... is a potent color: http://www.colourlovers.com/color/FF8000/Hue_30_Degrees
[17:15] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, bike shed explained http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/bikeshed.html
[17:15] <DanaG> nice.
[17:16] <Some_Person> holstein: Good. Then my ~2 hours of work on Monday morning weren't wasted :-)
[17:16] <DanaG> I thought it was a way of avoiding "rhymes with witch".
[17:17] <rww> my favourite quote related to it: "the amount of noise generated by a change is inversely proportional to the complexity of the change"
[17:19] <holstein> Some_Person: awesome
[17:20] <holstein> thats why i asked, i was sure i was missing something
[17:25] <Some_Person> I think switching the button order was the worst decision in ubuntu's history
[17:26] <holstein> i tried to roll with it
[17:26] <holstein> i wanted to give it a week
[17:27] <holstein> i made it almost 2 days
[17:27] <holstein> i use OSX a little
[17:27] <holstein> and the buttons frustrate me over there too
[17:27] <arand> Some_Person: I claim update manager. Or possibly PA.
[17:28]  * yofel claims notify-osd and update-manager
[17:28]  * mvo wonders what is wrong with update-manager?
[17:29] <Some_Person> I like update-manager
[17:29] <arand> Ah, dear notify, that's true.
[17:29] <Pici> /methinks someone has update-manager on hilight
[17:29] <arand> mvo: popunder.
[17:29] <mvo> oh, auto-open - yeah, that is not good, agreed
[17:29] <trism> I do too, makes it easier to see the changelogs before I update (you can disable the auto open)
[17:30] <rww> I use apt-listchanges with aptitude to see changelogs
[17:30] <rww> the other fun thing update-manager does is check for packages while I'm in the middle of using aptitude without regarding silly things like lock files, which is always fun.
[17:30] <mvo> Pici: ;)
[17:30] <bjsnider> nvidia-current will be updated to 195.36.15 after the beta freeze is finished FYI
[17:32] <User45> im currently having trouble booting into karmic
[17:32] <User45> http://pastebin.com/dTVR9h7k
[17:32] <Some_Person> holstein: OS X's positions make sense. Close on the end, maximize/restore in the middle, minimize on the left. Lucid's are in a strange order that follows nothing else
[17:32] <User45> im using a vps and command line
[17:32] <Some_Person> holstein: minimize on the right actually, not left
[17:33] <yofel> User45: karmic support is in #ubuntu, this channel is for Lucid Lynx (10.04)
[17:33] <User45> there are like a million people there
[17:33] <rww> User45: nevertheless, this isn't a 9.10 support channel.
[17:33] <syk> more to help you with
[17:34] <arand> User45: i.e. a million potential helpers.
[17:34] <Some_Person> User45: 309 in here vs. 1491 in #ubuntu
[17:35] <User45> true, but it just seems a little bit chaotic
[17:36] <Some_Person> This channel is for lucid support. karmic support is in #ubuntu
[17:37] <holstein> Some_Person: i just cant get use to looking on the left side for buttons
[17:37] <rww> User45: That's probably because it is. That's why we have rather firm dividing lines for what's on-topic and off-topic in various channels.
[17:37] <holstein> no matter what the order
[17:37] <User45> sigh
[17:38] <holstein> User45: are you envolved in your LoCO ubuntu channel?
[17:38] <User45> is there another specific irc channel that can help with this problem
[17:38] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[17:38] <DanaG> For me, left would be fine if it weren't also "wtf" order on the left.
[17:40] <User45> no, i am not holstein
[17:40] <Some_Person> DanaG: If it wouldn't have required more editing than just putting them on the right (yes, I'm lazy), I would have done it that way in my PPA
[17:40] <rww> User45: your Local Community channel might provide support. If you're willing to tell us your country (or state if you're in the USA), we can see if there's one in your area. Otherwise, you're stuck with #ubuntu.
[17:41] <User45> nc
[17:41]  * holstein is in NC
[17:41] <User45> ah really?
[17:41] <holstein> --- /j #ubuntu-us-nc
[17:41] <User45> guess you're part of my team :D
[17:41] <holstein> :)
[17:44] <masu3701> whats new in ubuntu 10.4
[17:45] <Some_Person> masu3701: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%209.10
[17:49] <QueenZ> sup?
[17:49] <vinicius> hai
[17:49] <QueenZ> Still waiting for Beta?
[17:50] <syk> yup
[17:50] <QueenZ> vinicius: hi
[17:50] <anichols> So the Lucid Beta 1 is going to be released in plus or minus 2 hours then?
[17:50] <QueenZ> anichols: i think so..
[17:50] <freefall> nice!
[17:50] <anichols> QueenZ: Good.  I'm looking forward to adding it to my USB stick.
[17:50] <QueenZ> it's 5pm now
[17:50] <arand> Really? Day ends in 6h
[17:50] <rww> anichols: It's going to be released when it's done =\
[17:51] <QueenZ> rww: should be today :D
[17:51] <rww> QueenZ: yes, /should/, not /must/ ;P
[17:51] <wjm> "when it's done" has become the greatest of all software memes
[17:51] <QueenZ> wjm: ahaha
[17:51] <vinicius> Only relevant to someone downloading the CD, right?
[17:51] <vinicius> already on lucid here :)
[17:51] <yofel> QueenZ: "today" is very vague, we had a release that was on the next day (UTC), but it was still today for the US folks
[17:52] <rww> vinicius: right. If you've been updating an alpha version, you're fine :)
[17:52] <QueenZ> yofel: i mean today UK
[17:52] <CalmvsKhaos> Hi is it possible to update from alpha 3 to beta using update manager when the beta is released or do i have to download something new? (sorry if this has been covered a million times already!)
[17:52] <wjm> I always liked the Linus Torvalds one better "it will happen today, but making a pizza from scratch is probably faster"
[17:52] <rww> CalmvsKhaos: Just do normal updates and you'll be fine.
[17:52] <rww> Beta is just a snapshot of the lucid archive, you don't need to do something special to get to it from alpha.
[17:52] <yofel> QueenZ: well, then you have more time than I do :P (7h - german local time)
[17:53] <QueenZ> i think it's always better to do a clean install
[17:53] <yofel> *7pm
[17:53] <freefall> Where will the beta be available for download?
[17:53] <CalmvsKhaos> ok
[17:53] <syk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[17:53] <QueenZ> 7pm here as well
[17:53] <wjm> QueenZ: generally that's the case but going from Alpha->Beta the changes are mostly just packages at this point
[17:53] <freefall> syk: thanks!
[17:53] <vinicius> by the way, is memenu working right now? I can't seem to get online(shaded itens) and I only get notifications if applications are running
[17:53] <wjm> unless someone sneaks in butterfs ...then I'll be pleased as peach
[17:54] <rww> QueenZ: If I remember correctly, the release manager is in North America, so the day isn't even half over yet. It's probably not a useful idea to make estimates based off of the UK work day.
[17:54] <QueenZ> wjm: but we'll get the new theme
[17:54] <QueenZ> rww: yeah canada
[17:54] <wjm> that's cosmetic, not really like overhauling HAL :D
[17:54] <QueenZ> Blame Cananda :D
[17:55] <wjm> Most of the "might break stuff terribly" is already done
[17:55] <QueenZ> wait.. is Linus Torvalds back on KDE again?
[17:56] <wjm> yay, like Stallman before - he is confused as to the powers of xfce and gnome
[17:56] <QueenZ> wjm: i thought he was a kde dude
[17:56] <DanaG> That buttons thing is NOT just cosmetic... it also breaks muscle memory, and breaks every other theme under the sun.
[17:56] <yofel> wjm: you do know that experimental btrfs support is in the kernel?
[17:56] <vinicius> I thought he was a console guy =P
[17:56]  * KB1JWQ hopes for an "O HAI, you can haz 2.6.33.1 kernel nao!"  
[17:57]  * KB1JWQ is prepared to be disappointed
[17:57] <DanaG> What IS cosmetic is how ugly the themes themselves are.
[17:57] <rww> QueenZ, wjm: You're both in #ubuntu-offtopic; probably better to talk about software celebrities' WM preferences there ;P
[17:57] <wjm> yofel: yeah I'm just waiting for it to be in the installer so my life can be lazy
[17:57] <QueenZ> rww: kk
[17:57] <yofel> wjm: it will be once it's not expermental anymore (I'm waiting for that too :D)
[17:58] <wjm> I wish Ubuntu had a way to pass onto the installer like roothate does
[17:58] <wjm> so you can enable it at your own risk
[18:03] <anichols> Are there any skins for Ubuntu to give it a Windows appearance...thinking of playing an April Fools joke on my girlfriend.
[18:03] <maco> anichols: xpde instead of gnome?
[18:03] <QueenZ> anichols: not very good ones
[18:03] <wjm> anichols: I use the Mac theme - it's hilarious :D
[18:04] <wjm> "look jane, I fixed your hackintosh"
[18:04] <QueenZ> xpde? really...? :D
[18:04] <anichols> wjm: I'd rather go back to DOS 1.0 than use a Mac theme.
[18:04] <wjm> anichols: it's temporary and funny :D
[18:04]  * anichols is a certified mac-hater.
[18:04] <QueenZ> I have a Mac
[18:05] <DanaG> Ironically, the best Mac-wannabe themes I've ever seen... are all Windowblinds themes.
[18:05] <alex_mayorga> anichols: is not a mac theme, is an ubuntu theme inspired on mac it seems
[18:05] <anichols> alex_mayorga: I understand that, but even the mac appearance...it makes me cringe and think of the hell of having nothing but macs in school....which blew.
[18:06] <DanaG> An example of a "good wannabe": http://home.comcast.net/~odnt/12012009.jpg
[18:06] <DanaG> Still offers buttons on the right.
[18:08] <vinicius> I love rar bombs!
[18:09] <Some_Person> This somehow reminds me of a (now-dead) project whose objective was to make firefox look like IE6 as much as humanely possible
[18:09] <Some_Person> It was called FirefoxIE
[18:10] <bjsnider> i would have been ok witht hat if that had been what ie7 was
[18:10] <bjsnider> just a microsoft gui with a gecko backend
[18:13] <duffydack> My fans on my laptop, which rarely in use on win7/9.10,, are in constant use on 10.04.
[18:13] <Some_Person> The project was very thorough. It even had a plugin to 'fix' miniscule things, like adding the "Favorites" text to Firefox's bookmarks toolbar
[18:21] <Some_Person> Is there a program that I can use to extract a title from a DVD-VR format disc?
[18:32] <vinicius> oh, I get it. empathy runs in the background only if you open empathy im first. Should open on login imo.
[18:32] <vinicius> the indicator-menu gives the wrong impression that you could log IM from there
[18:33] <Bittarman> system -> preferences ->startup applications -> add
[18:34] <Bittarman> personally, I like that it doesn't connect automatically. I don't always have a connection, and I don't always want it to be online
[18:35] <anichols> Whereas I see utility in always being online.
[18:36] <anichols> I wish it automatically tried to connect to any unencrypted network in range if Ubuntu couldn't see any of the networks I've told it to connect to.
[18:36] <DanaG> weird... udisks upgrade is blocked.
[18:36] <anichols> So when I'm walking between home and a wireless cafe I can potentially pick up bandwidth on the way there.
[18:38] <CalmvsKhaos> is it true that Lucid is going to replace apt-get and aptitude with Software Center?
[18:38] <psusi> CalmvsKhaos: no, they are not mutually exclusive
[18:38] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: no, apt-get and  aptitude will still be there, it's supposed to replcase synaptic one day
[18:38] <yofel> but not yet
[18:39] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah i think i meant synaptic not apt-get/aptitude sorry :)
[18:39] <psusi> CalmvsKhaos: software center seems to be the new and improved add applications
[18:39] <yofel> psusi: it is
[18:39] <yofel> it replaced the old gnome-app-install
[18:39] <psusi> yea... it's a replacement for that, not synaptic
[18:40] <psusi> i.e. the user friendly installer... synaptic is still the power installer
[18:40] <DrMrHorse> WHERES MY BETA SON! (can't hardly wait)
[18:40] <yofel> psusi: its supposed to replace synaptic one day too, but not yet
[18:41] <DanaG> I get "ureadahead main process terminated with status 5" -- and I get no plymouth splash.
[18:41] <DrMrHorse> DanaG: i got the same: i used a workaround to get to a desktop though
[18:42] <DanaG> I do still get a desktop, anyway... it just takes ages to auto-login.
[18:42] <DrMrHorse> i see
[18:42] <DanaG> or rather, it does auto-login immediately... but then takes ages to give me a usable desktop.
[18:42] <duffydack> isnt my alpha3 with all updates as of today, just beta1
[18:42] <yofel> duffydack: it is
[18:42] <DrMrHorse> but youre not allowed to celebrate until they announce its released
[18:42] <anichols> ﻿What is the difference between <http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/> and <http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/>?
[18:43] <duffydack> so I have Alpha 3 - Final..  :)
[18:44] <Pici> anichols: Nothing, they're likely symlinks to the same target path.
[18:44] <anichols> Pici: What is a 'symlink'?
[18:44] <Pici> anichols: Like a shortcut.
[18:44] <anichols> Pici: Ah
[18:46] <anichols> When beta is released and installed, and time passess, will you need to do a clean install to get Lucid LTS at the end of April, or will it be updatable within the usual update system, similar to how the security patches are deployed?
[18:46] <yofel> anichols: updates are enough, no reinstall needed
[18:47] <soee> ok im on fresh install of 10.04, there were some problems with configuring paritions durind installation, and as always there was no sound :) but as always oss helps
[18:47] <anichols> yofel: Would a fresh install be preferable to updates, though?
[18:48] <marenostrum> !Beta 1
[18:49] <yofel> anichols: it might be cleaner if some configuration defaults are changed and not forced through updates, but usually not needed
[18:49] <freefall> !Beta 1
[18:49] <yofel> marenostrum, freefall: not there yet, wait for the announcement in the /topic
[18:50] <marenostrum> Ok,sorry
[18:50] <freefall> Sorry!
[18:50]  * anichols is keeping an eye on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/....less spammy
[18:50] <anichols> Hmm, I wonder if that works.
[18:50] <anichols> !Alpha 3
[18:51] <yofel> nope, we should have !alpha and !beta though
[18:51] <anichols> !alpha
[18:51] <yofel> no idea what they give
[18:51] <anichols> ﻿(02:51:11 PM) ubottu: Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha
[18:51] <yofel> ok, then not
[18:51] <yofel> !beta
[18:51] <yofel> er... a bit outdated ^^
[18:52] <anichols> I wonder if I follow those directions from within HH, if it would boot me up to LL Alpha-3.
[18:52] <yofel> anichols: only if you change hardy into lucid in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:53] <rww> sources.list changes are not a supported way to upgrade from one Ubuntu version to another
[18:53] <anichols> I wonder what they'll come up for with a name for lucid+1.  Mongoose?
[18:53] <rww> you should be using update-manager or do-release-upgrade
[18:53] <anichols> rww: To be honest, I'll probably just grab the ISO and do a clean install anyway.
[18:53] <rww> specifically to go to a development version, add -d to both of those.
[18:54] <psusi> MIGHTY MONGOOSE! hehehe
[18:54] <rww> and maybe screw around with the settings if Lucid isn't tagged as LTS yet, i dunno
[18:54] <CalmvsKhaos> Dashing DoDo!
[18:54] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: it has to be M... M...
[18:54] <yofel> Musky Mule :D
[18:54] <CalmvsKhaos> oh lol
[18:55] <yofel> rww: update-manager -d will give you lucid if you run it on hardy, I tested it
[18:56] <Muscovy> I've heard 10.10 will be Mighty Mandrill. Don't care much for it. :|
[18:56] <CalmvsKhaos> dang as long as ive used ubuntu, i didnt know it went up one letter each release, (I)ntrepid, (K)armic , (Lucid), /me duhs!  :)
[18:57] <Pici> Muscovy: The name hasn't be announced yet.
[18:57] <DanaG> !g pavlov mandril
[18:57] <DanaG> er, no google function.l
[18:58] <duffydack> CalmvsKhaos, LMAO!
[18:59] <CalmvsKhaos> Mighty Mandrill? ick
[18:59] <arand> Yea, actually the hardy2lucid upgrade was surprisingly straightforward when I tested before, only obvious error was some panel applet breakage..
[19:00] <DanaG> phooey, I can't use the stock Ubuntu kernels -- no radeon KMS power management, so it makes the thing hot and noisy :(
[19:03] <tyranos> hi guys i m experiencing problems with gksu is there a known fix for this or something ?
[19:04] <duffydack> Microsoft Monopoly
[19:04] <zniavre_> :o)
[19:05] <arand> linussynonym(openBSD) ?
[19:06] <neatchee> Hi, I'm almost certain that my synaptics touchpad supports multitouch, yet no matter what I try (udev rules, etc) I can't seem to get it to work in Lucid.  Anyone able to help me out a bit?
[19:08] <duffydack> ugh, my apps locked up, I had ctrl-alt-F1 and back again to get them responsive again.
[19:08] <tyranos> neatchee,go to mouse options and then touchpad and try to activate 2 fingers scrolling
[19:08] <alkisg> Hi... am I blind or empathy is missing IRC account support for Lucid?
[19:09] <DanaG> neatchee: this bug may be relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/308191
[19:09] <DanaG> bad grammar, but report is valid.
[19:09] <arand> alkisg: I think it might be yes, I remember seeing that I think...
[19:09] <donEduardo> hi there.
[19:10] <donEduardo> does anybody know in which startup script locales should be set?
[19:10] <alkisg> arand: I'm trying to add a new account, and I'm seeing all the options there (msn, icq etc) but no IRC. It was there in Karmic, so I'm at a loss...
[19:10] <rww> alkisg: adding a new account from the first-run startup wizard, or from the accounts window?
[19:10] <alkisg> rww: tried both
[19:10] <alkisg> No success in either...
[19:10] <rww> meh
[19:10] <lenios> neatchee, you can do "synclient TapButton2=2" and "synclient TapButton3=3" too
[19:11] <lenios> to activate right click and middle click
[19:11] <alkisg> I wonder if there's some telepathy* package missing from the Lucid default installation
[19:15] <enav> hello
[19:16] <anichols> enav: Hello
[19:18] <freefall> Still no sign of beta 1?
[19:19] <Muscovy> Nope.
[19:19] <charlie-tca> beta1 won't be released until testing is completed
[19:20] <Muscovy> I read it should be out between 12 and 8 PM central.
[19:20] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: and then more bugs are found :D
[19:20] <BUGabundo> Muscovy: no such thing
[19:20] <charlie-tca> of course
[19:20] <Muscovy> Oh?
[19:20] <BUGabundo> its date is pure incognita
[19:20] <BUGabundo> just get a daily
[19:20] <BUGabundo> and zsync the diff once is out
[19:21] <arand> Normally, there won't even be a diff.
[19:21] <BUGabundo> or upgrade now, the packages won't change
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Muscovy: not today, probably
[19:21] <BUGabundo> just installer quirks
[19:21] <neatchee> ohithar BUGabundo
[19:21] <BUGabundo> arand: right. *if*
[19:21] <neatchee> ^_^
[19:21]  * BUGabundo hides from kissy neatchee
[19:21] <neatchee> lulz
[19:21] <neatchee> you can't escape me!
[19:22] <BUGabundo> not the best channel for that neatchee
[19:22] <arand> The grub menu doesn't say beta explicitly does it?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> OT is not allowed here
[19:22] <BUGabundo> arand: don't think so
[19:22]  * neatchee keeps it to a minimum
[19:22] <BUGabundo> keep it to zero, actually
[19:23] <richthegeek> still no beta1?
[19:23] <BUGabundo> richthegeek: /topic
[19:24] <lenios> i posted a workaround on bug #308191
[19:24] <richthegeek> BUGabundo: says alpha3 released, so clearly not... I am using pidgin though so might not even be updating the topic
[19:24] <arand> Anyways, time to do a proper partition install, see how much nvidia breaks this time...
[19:24] <BUGabundo> richthegeek: actually Is true
[19:24] <DanaG> alkisg: something I found with Empathy (aside from the fact that it sucks at IRC): the first-run wizard didn't offer IRC at all... yet, if you cancelled the first-run and went to the normal "account setup", IRC was available there.
[19:24] <BUGabundo> A3 has been launched
[19:25] <lenios> it would be best to have this working without any trick but well...
[19:25] <BUGabundo> and so have A2 and A1 :p
[19:25] <dragon> Has beta1 been released?
[19:25] <Muscovy> Not yet.
[19:25] <richthegeek> lol
[19:25] <BUGabundo> dragon: /topic
[19:25] <CalmvsKhaos> dragon, look at topic
[19:25] <BUGabundo> damn it
[19:25] <DanaG> lenios: looks like you have a different issue:
[19:25] <BUGabundo> we need a bot
[19:25] <CalmvsKhaos> sadly it still says alpha 3 in topic :(((
[19:25] <DanaG> if TapButton works... that means it does know it's multi-touch.
[19:25] <dragon> !topic
[19:25] <BUGabundo> CalmvsKhaos: so???
[19:25] <dragon> like that?
[19:25] <DanaG> On my netbook, it doesn't acknowledge that the pad is multitouch.
[19:26] <neatchee> lenios: tried, to no avail :\  multi-touch on my tp results in crazy mouse jumping around the screen
[19:26] <lenios> DanaG, with a default install?
[19:26] <DanaG> neatchee: yup, check my out.ogv
[19:26] <dragon> I'm looking at the release schedule... is that a bad thing to do?
[19:26] <neatchee> and when i was on karmic, synclient -m 100 claimed it was 1 touch only
[19:26] <lenios> i use this since karmic
[19:26] <DanaG> the "notation" plugin is good for demoing the spazzing.
[19:26] <CalmvsKhaos> BUGabundo, so what?
[19:26] <DanaG> er, annotate.
[19:27] <dragon> any way,
[19:27] <dragon> /part
[19:27] <lenios> synclient -m 100 gives me Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> CalmvsKhaos: so what does it matter if bets is out or not?
[19:27] <dragon> stupid client :|
[19:27] <neatchee> lenios: yeah, SHMConfig doesn't seem to be enableable on lucid
[19:27] <neatchee> because it needs to be enabled through either hal or xorg.conf
[19:27] <DanaG> It's a udev rule now, not a hal fdi file.
[19:27] <CalmvsKhaos> BUGabundo, are not beta's a bit more stable than alphas?
[19:27] <neatchee> oh?  What rule?  I couldn't figure it out
[19:27] <marenostrum> I am planning to install Lucid to help testing. Do you advice me clean install or is online upgrade OK to have an "original" Lucid at hand?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> CalmvsKhaos: I would not say so
[19:28] <CalmvsKhaos> ok
[19:28] <DanaG> /lib/udev/rules.d/66-xorg-synaptics.rules
[19:28] <BUGabundo> thinks can and *will* break the same
[19:28] <BUGabundo> as ever
[19:28] <DanaG> copy it to /etc/udev/rules.d/ and edit it.
[19:28] <BUGabundo> we will just get more testers
[19:28] <BUGabundo> neatchee: we no longer carry shmconfig AFAIK
[19:28] <neatchee> DanaG: ohhhh that's my mistake lol
[19:28] <CalmvsKhaos> BUGabundo, ive seen you in here for at least 2 years, so i wont question what you say :)
[19:28] <BUGabundo> only 2 years?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> try since 2007
[19:29] <BUGabundo> early
[19:29] <CalmvsKhaos> no no since IVE SEEN you
[19:29] <lenios> 2007 is only 3 years
[19:29] <CalmvsKhaos> you dont know me on this nick, anyways offtopic at this point :D
[19:29] <BUGabundo> lenios: I started using devel versions of Ubuntu with 6.10 beta
[19:29] <BUGabundo> okay CalmvsKhaos. pvt me if you wish
[19:30] <neatchee> DanaG, Thanks for that.  Working fine now.  (synclient -m that is)
[19:30] <alkisg> DanaG: thanks, I'm trying that - but I'm getting an unrelated keyring problem... :D
[19:30] <MarcoPau> «openoffice.org-filter-binfilter_1:3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1» blacklisted, I can't do-release-upgrade -d. anybody has a clue?
[19:30] <DanaG> Annoyingly enough, I've found that xorg likes to automatically CHANGE my bottomedge value so I can't horiz-scroll!
[19:31] <DanaG> If I touch the bottom of the touchpad... Xorg actually CHANGES it (I can see change right in front of my eyes, 'watch') the BottomEdge value.
[19:31] <DanaG> at least, it used to.  Not sure if that still happens.
[19:31] <neatchee> DanaG: Any idea why 'xinput list-props "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" is telling me unable to find device?  That's the exact device name it gives me from xinput list
[19:32] <DanaG> I believe list-props wants an int -- the number of the device.
[19:32] <lenios> so your device is really not supported
[19:32] <lenios> or at least not found as a multitouch device
[19:32] <neatchee> Danag: hmmm, it's supposed to take string inputs as well (works for other ones) but yes, the ID works, thanks
[19:33] <DanaG> hmm, does it need the slash escaped?
[19:33] <DanaG> try single-quote instead of double-quote?
[19:33] <neatchee> nope
[19:33] <neatchee> xinput list-props "Virtual core pointer" works fine :P
[19:34] <neatchee> ohhhhhhh
[19:34] <neatchee> the " are actually part of the name
[19:35] <DanaG> Eew.
[19:35] <neatchee> so it needs to be: xinput list-props '"SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"'
[19:35] <neatchee> yeah
[19:35] <neatchee> gross :\
[19:35] <DanaG> Too bad my pointstick buttons are part of the touchpad, and not actually part of the stick.
[19:35] <DanaG> It would be awesome to have one cursor for pointing-stick and another for the touchpad.
[19:36] <Pretto> after upgrade nautilus can't handle smb:/// and network:///
[19:37] <BUGabundo> Pretto: I think someone else mentioned it
[19:37] <DanaG> another thing that sucks about Synaptics: they've started crippling their touchpads to single-touch, where they could previously do at least basic multi-touch.
[19:37] <BUGabundo> please take a quick look at launchpad
[19:37] <BUGabundo> and file a new one if you don't find it there
[19:37] <BUGabundo> thanks
[19:37] <Pretto> BUGabundo: ok
[19:37] <DanaG> I have an Athlon XP-M laptop that can do 3-finger detection... yet my Core 2 Duo laptop can't?  What gives?
[19:37] <DanaG> Oh heck, even an old PENTIUM 2 laptop around here can do what my modern laptop's touchpad won't!
[19:38] <DanaG> That really makes me angry.  I mean, fine, if the OEM hasn't paid for the features, disable it in the Windows driver... but give the end-users a way to directly buy the multi-finger features!
[19:44] <ChogyDan> DanaG: my bro's laptop has the same issue.  He can't do 2 finger scrolling, and has to use the side scrolling.  Very dissappointing
[19:44] <neatchee> DanaG: I'm pretty sure that it's a software issue, tbh.  Multitouch works flawlessly in win7/vista/xp with our devices, and the "spazz" behavior we see seems to suggest that the hardware is recognizing both points of contact but that xinput isn't reading it properly
[19:45] <neatchee> The only other thing i can think of is that synaptics has come up with some "virtual' multitouch in which it passes the two points of contact value alternating between each
[19:45] <neatchee> and that the synaptics windows driver is translating that into a multitouch
[19:45] <DanaG> Actually, I have two issues:
[19:45] <DanaG> Netbook: does have multitouch in Windows, but not in Linux.
[19:46] <Some_Person> I just got "Your system encounted a serious kernel problem"
[19:46] <DanaG> handy hint in windows: go to mouse control panel and press alt-shift-i.
[19:46] <neatchee> ?
[19:46] <DanaG> "Good" laptop: no multi-finger at all.  Synaptics, you suck.
[19:46] <DanaG> When a Pentium 2 laptop can do multitouch, yet a Core 2 Duo can't?  Yeah, Synaptics, you suck.
[19:47] <neatchee> more like laptop manufacturer sucks for not buying the better hardware :\
[19:47] <DanaG> No, but Synaptics sucks for REMOVING features that previously WORKED.
[19:47] <DanaG> And then not giving the end-user a way to get them back.
[19:47] <neatchee> let's take this to PM
[19:50] <Lord-Readman> is beta1 coming or what?
[19:51] <CalmvsKhaos> Lord-Readman, its not in the topic yet, so you got some waiting to do :)
[19:51] <freefall> How much waiting?
[19:52] <Lord-Readman> Only 4 hours left until then it will be a day late
[19:52] <CalmvsKhaos> the ones that know, wont say anything.so basically no one knows
[19:52] <ChogyDan> I've got 8 hours  :p
[19:52] <Lord-Readman> its already the 19th in Aus
[19:52] <yofel> @now
[19:52] <yofel> 4h left ;)
[19:53] <thiebaude> Lord-Readman, 16hrs ahead of me,lol
[19:53] <CalmvsKhaos> sounds about right yofel
[19:53] <Lord-Readman> Ubuntu always does it though
[19:53] <thiebaude> @now
[19:53] <freefall> closer!
[19:53] <Lord-Readman> the developer summit should be 1 day early just so things can be released on time i.e. 1am UTC on the day it says :-P
[19:54] <CalmvsKhaos> you guys think the mirrors will be slow?
[19:54] <thiebaude> i got my beta 1 cd download already
[19:54] <CalmvsKhaos> o.O
[19:54] <Lord-Readman> :-O
[19:55] <ChogyDan> anyone happen to know what the linux-tools package is?
[19:56] <yofel> !info linux-tools lucid
[19:57] <yofel> seems to consist of '/usr/bin/perf' and various manpages
[19:58] <arand> Hmm, if whoever mentioned the no-irc in empathy is still around. It does have, but disabled on the first setup, becaes (quoting the empathy dev:) "Empathy is currently a pretty poor IRC client so I think the current UI makes sense"
[19:58] <Lord-Readman> xchat is good
[19:58] <JEEBsv> xchat is mighty fine, especially on linux
[19:59] <Some_Person> +1 for xchat
[19:59] <ChogyDan> hmm, I guess linux-tools isn't too important  :)
[20:00] <JEEBsv> of course, if someone loves command line there's always irssi, but for GUI-licious IRC there's xchat, konversation and kvIRC
[20:00] <JEEBsv> too bad kvIRC still has broken IMEs on the 4.X branch IIRC
[20:00] <arand> I use irssi, anyways, but this means that basically ubuntu's move to empathy disabled regular support for IRC, a fine move :/
[20:01] <JEEBsv> I kind of see where you're coming from
[20:01] <JEEBsv> But if empathy's devs don't feel that it's good yet >_>
[20:01]  * DanaG sticks with pidgin.
[20:01]  * yofel likes quassel
[20:02] <yofel> xchat is pretty much the best gtk/gnome client I know though
[20:02] <JEEBsv> Yeah, for gtk/gnome it's prolly the best
[20:03] <waltercool> Nop
[20:03] <waltercool> I hate xchat, because is hard to see current users on room
[20:03] <waltercool> you must press ctrl+u
[20:04] <JEEBsv> Umm, user list?
[20:04] <waltercool> Yes
[20:04] <JEEBsv> It should be on the right side by default o_O
[20:04] <JEEBsv> Next to the text
[20:04] <waltercool> yes
[20:04] <JEEBsv> Why ctrl+u then?
[20:04] <waltercool> what?
[20:04] <arand> hmm, I just tab-complete when I want to see if someone is present...
[20:04] <waltercool> i havent on right side =/
[20:04] <JEEBsv> > you must press ctrl+u
[20:04] <JEEBsv> waltercool: then you don't have default xchat o_O
[20:05] <JEEBsv> or at least settings
[20:05] <yofel> waltercool: do you use xchat-gnome maybe?
[20:05] <waltercool> yes, but appears like a combobox
[20:05] <waltercool> yofel: Im using lucid xchat-gnome
[20:05] <waltercool> yes
[20:05] <JEEBsv> Ok, that's not standard xchat
[20:05] <waltercool> yofel: Oh... is xchat better than xchat-gnme?
[20:05] <waltercool> i know, xchat-gnome is a fork
[20:06] <yofel> waltercool: IMO yes, but I haven't used xchat-gnome for so long that it's hard to compare
[20:07] <JEEBsv> lol, I wonder what's the reasoning behind hiding the user list in xchat-gnome o_O
[20:07]  * Some_Person doesn't play with xchat-gnome
[20:08]  * JEEBsv doesn't either
[20:08] <JEEBsv> I just read what waltercool said and that just feels... weird
[20:08]  * xzcvczx just uses the old faithful irssi
[20:08] <xzcvczx> + screen
[20:08]  * waltercool will install xchat
[20:08] <JEEBsv> irssi and screen is pretty good until you get 30 channels or so
[20:08] <JEEBsv> esc+numbers/keys I can still take
[20:08] <waltercool> JEEBsv: Sorry..- im not english =P
[20:08] <Some_Person> Regular xchat is pretty good
[20:09] <waltercool> Some_Person: But... why 2 versions of xchat?
[20:09] <JEEBsv> waltercool: I didn't comment on your English -- but on the design the xchat-gnome project took
[20:09] <yofel> I used xchat+screen+ssh for a while since my old home-server wasn't powerfull enough to handle quasselcore ^^
[20:09] <xzcvczx> JEEBsv: if i were to have 30 chans i would normally just open it over a couple of irssi instances
[20:09] <Some_Person> waltercool: Heck if I know
[20:09] <xzcvczx> JEEBsv: then again i don't know many people who would actually use 30 windows
[20:09] <JEEBsv> xzcvczx: that's what I basically did, but bleh.
[20:09] <JEEBsv> xzcvczx: I have around 60+ atm
[20:09] <xzcvczx> JEEBsv: wow, i have enough trouble keeping track of a few
[20:10] <JEEBsv> And having a graphical network/channels list is pretty nice
[20:10] <JEEBsv> irssi kind of starts failing around there
[20:10] <JEEBsv> Although irssi-proxy is win
[20:10] <JEEBsv> Of course, it's not irssi that fails, but me for not setting up multiple shortcut keys for all those channels
[20:10] <xzcvczx> i never was a particular fan of x-chat always looked rather ugly to me but that was a number of years ago so i might have a look now
[20:11] <JEEBsv> It still should look pretty plain, but I don't think that's what you really need in a client
[20:11] <rohan> does kaffeine 1.0-pre3 (available on lucid) support external (.srt) subtitles?
[20:11] <xzcvczx> xchat-gnome or xchat, submit your votes now
[20:12] <JEEBsv> xchat
[20:12] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: xchat
[20:12] <yofel> xchat
[20:12] <KB1JWQ> Welp, my laptop is here.  The beta isn't. :-/
[20:12] <JEEBsv> waltercool's comments make it seem like xchat-gnome kind of failed some design decisions
[20:12] <JEEBsv> (graphical client without a userlist that's always visible is a bit o_O)
[20:12] <xzcvczx> JEEBsv: yeah but just thought i would ask for a vote as canonical support xchat-gnome but not xchat
[20:12] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: To make it look less ugly, make the background color white instead of the default grey. I don't know why, but it makes a huge difference to me
[20:13] <JEEBsv> xzcvczx: wow -- they do o_O
[20:13] <JEEBsv> really?
[20:13] <JEEBsv> I feel that as something quite awkward
[20:13] <waltercool> JEEBsv: Yeah, is hard when i must send PM =/  (AKA /msg <user> <Message>)
[20:13] <yofel> JEEBsv: licensing stuff I think, xchat is in universe while xchat-gnome is in main
[20:13] <xzcvczx> JEEBsv: tbh i don't normally use a userlist anyone and am quite happy using <tab> and /names for that stuff
[20:13] <yofel> xzcvczx: ^^^
[20:14] <JEEBsv> xzcvczx: true
[20:14] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:14] <yofel> hi sebsebseb
[20:14] <JEEBsv> I just found out that /names works in xchat too
[20:14] <Some_Person> yofel: Isn't universe just open source stuff that canonical doesn't support?
[20:14] <waltercool> yofel: So, Ubuntu should modify that?
[20:14] <xzcvczx> s/anyone/anymore/
[20:14] <sebsebseb> Beta 1 out yet?
[20:14] <sebsebseb> yofel: hi
[20:14] <xzcvczx> JEEBsv: /names is a server command isn't it?
[20:14] <xzcvczx> sebsebseb: no
[20:14] <JEEBsv> xzcvczx: yah -- i've never really read the spec well ^^;
[20:14] <yofel> I'm not entirely sure here, but if you want it in main file a MainInclusionRequest on LP
[20:14] <sebsebseb> xzcvczx: oh ok
[20:15] <xzcvczx> JEEBsv: neither have i, just going by logic hence the '?
[20:15] <xzcvczx> '
[20:15] <Some_Person> My xchat looks like this: http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3603/xchatp.png
[20:17] <xzcvczx> Some_Person: what coloUr is highlight?
[20:17] <waltercool> Some_Person: Looks better than xchat-gnome
[20:17] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: highlight?
[20:18] <xzcvczx> Some_Person: aka what color is your name here
[20:18] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: That whole line is red
[20:18] <waltercool> o wait... on lucidfox.org i see a xchat-gnome with right contact list =D
[20:18] <JEEBsv> heh
[20:19] <JEEBsv> Too bad I still use That Other Platform, too. GTK+ is such a pain sometimes on it. Most of the QT-based clients somewhat fail, too. Oh well~
[20:20] <magn3ts> I take it the beta isn't available yet?
[20:20] <xzcvczxx> no
[20:20] <Some_Person> I don't understand why people would use xchat-gnome
[20:20] <yofel> JEEBsv: quassel is qt, and I like it
[20:20] <xzcvczxx> Some_Person, well it probably is an issue that its the one supported by canonical
[20:20] <xzcvczxx> aka in main
[20:21] <xzcvczxx> and assume that it is "better"
[20:21] <JEEBsv> yofel: IMEs work, per-network/channel text encoding?
[20:21] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: Does anyone actually use a system without universe enabled?
[20:21] <xzcvczxx> whether you have universe enabled or disabled is irrelevant
[20:21] <waltercool> Some_Person: Is supported by canonical i guess, thats the main reason.
[20:21] <xzcvczxx> Some_Person, its perception
[20:22] <yofel> JEEBsv: what's an IME? channel encodings are per network
[20:22] <xzcvczxx> Some_Person, aka "ooo look it has a pretty symbol next to it when xchat by itself doesn't"
[20:22] <waltercool> yofel: Is great now... i was beta testing of quassel... and i dislike it! (start a server... connect server... blablabla)
[20:22] <waltercool> ?
[20:22] <JEEBsv> yofel: Input Method Editors. In other words, basically Japanese etc. input
[20:22] <waltercool> yofel: Sorry... was a question xD
[20:22] <yofel> JEEBsv: never needed it so can't say
[20:22] <JEEBsv> hmm
[20:22] <magn3ts> I don't understand why someone would *make* Xchat-gnome.
[20:23] <JEEBsv> Normally it shouldn't fail, but you know... kvIRC got it to fail so thought I'd ask lol
[20:23] <JEEBsv> yofel: I'll try quassel. I guess it's buildable on win** too?
[20:23] <yofel> waltercool: if you don't want to use a seperate quasselcore, you can use the monolithic client, that's the client and core together, no need to connect to the core there
[20:24] <Some_Person> Why does canonical support xchat-gnome but not xchat anyway?
[20:24] <yofel> packages in the repos: quassel - standalone app, quassel-core: core only, quassel-client: client only
[20:24] <xzcvczxx> Some_Person, why is the sky blue?
[20:25] <yofel> Some_Person: if you want to change it then find out why nobody did a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for xchat yet
[20:26] <Some_Person> Becuase air particles scatter blue light more than others
[20:26]  * JEEBsv builds-deps quassel
[20:26] <waltercool> yofel: Nice... seems better now =)
[20:27] <Some_Person> yofel: I think I'm going to file one
[20:27] <JEEBsv> Some_Person: nice
[20:28] <Some_Person> Unless I'm missing something, xchat doesn't violate any of the requirements
[20:29] <JEEBsv> Well, it really shouldn't be violating... as far as I know. Or was the windows build business such? IIRC it's under a double license nowadays or something like that
[20:29] <xzcvczx> WTF xchat-gnome is set to auto-accept DCC file transfers :O
[20:29] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: lol
[20:29] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: xchat prompts by default
[20:29] <JEEBsv> xzcvczx: rofl
[20:30] <xzcvczx> this is just stupid
[20:30] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: I'd say that's a security flaw
[20:30] <JEEBsv> yeah
[20:30] <JEEBsv> it is
[20:30] <Some_Person> Maybe I'll put that into my MIR for xchat
[20:30] <xzcvczx> well WTF is it doing in main with the "security flaw" then
[20:31] <JEEBsv> because someone thought it was going to be better than xchat, I guess >_>
[20:31]  * xzcvczx purges xchat-gnome
[20:32]  * JEEBsv gets quassel's sources to take a look at the newest revision
[20:32] <freefall_> Still waiting for beta?
[20:33] <MajorAstr> how is the beta
[20:33] <xzcvczx> ah ok it seems its not as bad as it looks, it will not auto-recieve it you have to choose location to save first
[20:33] <xzcvczx> its just sounds bad
[20:36]  * xzcvczx wishes the fine ops of this channel would put http:// in front of the urls
[20:36]  * yofel agrees to that
[20:37] <xzcvczx> yes it will make it 21 characters longer but it will make it a hell of a lot more convinient
[20:37] <yofel> quassel doesn't recognize links that start with wiki.u... as  http links :/
[20:37] <xzcvczx> i don't think many programs do
[20:37] <yofel> indeed
[20:37]  * xzcvczx misses /win :(
[20:44]  * xzcvczx is getting annoyed its already the 19th and no beta
[20:44] <Ian_Corne> It's been pushed back xzcvczx
[20:45] <CalmvsKhaos> Ian_Corne, what?!
[20:45] <vega> postponed for 1 day
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> I think
[20:45] <xzcvczx> i am tempted to say he is just winding people up
[20:45] <xzcvczx> but now i am not so sure
[20:45] <vega> nope, there was a mail on ubuntu announce list
[20:46] <CalmvsKhaos> :(
[20:46] <vega> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[20:46] <vega> 40 minutes ago..
[20:46] <xzcvczx> oh ffs, it is still 18th on release schedule and on planet ubuntu and the other ubuntu rss feed i have subscribed to
[20:46] <xzcvczx> so meh
[20:47] <CalmvsKhaos> vega, thanks, this is terrible news indeed!
[20:47] <CalmvsKhaos> :<
[20:47] <xzcvczx> vega, although i guess i now believe you
[20:47] <xzcvczx> Ian_Corne, thanks as well
[20:47] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah you too Ian_Corne thanks :)
[20:48] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: stuff like that happens with devel releases, better tomorrow than broken ;)
[20:48] <Some_Person> Are all of xchat's dependencies and recommends in main?
[20:48] <xzcvczx> Some_Person, how come? going to try and get it shifted?
[20:49] <xzcvczx> Some_Person, i assume if xchat-gnomes are then xchat's will be
[20:49] <CalmvsKhaos> yofel, oh i know, ive been a beta tester for various companies since  1997 (started with AOL) :)
[20:49] <zcat[1]> Bloody annoying, I offered to do a presentation on what's new in Lucid for WLUG on Monday... the day they swapped the buttons to the left I was so pissed off I switched to Debian (which I'm running now..) but I still have to do the presentation. Was going to install the beta on a scratch drive. looks like my presentation is going to suck, or be all about the stupid decisions in the latest ubuntu like moving GUI elements around pointless
[20:49] <zcat[1]> ly and removing useful software like GIMP to fit in useless software like gwibber.
[20:49] <cousteau> so this will be the first ubuntu thing not released on thursday?
[20:49] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: :D
[20:50] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: I'm filing a main inclusion request for it
[20:50] <yofel> zcat[1]: you can still install gimp from the repos... you don't need a professional image editing app on the live disk
[20:50] <xzcvczx> zcat[1], do you know gian perone?
[20:50] <zcat[1]> xzcvczx:  the name rings a bell..
[20:50] <xzcvczx> zcat[1], ah ok, what school did you go to?
[20:50] <zcat[1]> HBHS
[20:50] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: If any depends or recommends are in universe, they also need requests filed for them
[20:50] <zcat[1]> but that was years ago ;)
[20:51] <vega> dunno what gwibber is, but i deinstalled it along with something called couchdb that had some broken cron job
[20:51]  * cousteau would include gimp and replace f-spot and eog with gThumb
[20:51] <xzcvczx> Some_Person, meh i still think it might all be in main if xchat-gnome is in main
[20:51] <vega> cousteau: agree with that ..
[20:51] <cousteau> or at least the second part, in case there's no way to make gimp fit
[20:51] <xzcvczx> zcat[1], i was at hillcrest many a year ago
[20:51] <vega> (f-spot sucks)
[20:51] <zcat[1]> The thing is I demo Ubuntu on people's windows machines with the live CD... photo editing is something plenty of people want, and I can demo GIMP directly on their photos from the live CD...
[20:51]  * xzcvczx would also include gimp over other
[20:52] <yofel> Some_Person: you could run 'apt-get source xchat' in a terminal and check the deps/recommends in the xchat/debian/control file with 'apt-cache policy <pkgname>'
[20:52] <zcat[1]> non-geek users generally do not care about twitter
[20:52] <cousteau> gThumb is an easy to use image displayer, with some small features to edit images, can display animated GIFs (but not aPNGs)...
[20:52] <zcat[1]> also moving the buttons is a MAJOR FAIL
[20:52] <xzcvczx> zcat[1], even most nerds don't like twitter
[20:52] <KB1JWQ> Going through the install dance on a new t510.  Graphics aren't supported out of the box.
[20:53] <DanaG> T510?  what video card?
[20:53] <cousteau> it is similar to eog but with some of the features that f-spot has (or I think it has, never used it)
[20:53] <zcat[1]> It's going to be the first thing I have to fix on every install I ever make from now on (except it won't.. every install I make from now on will be debian...._)
[20:53] <xzcvczx> zcat[1], meh if enough people complain might be shifted back for release
[20:53] <KB1JWQ> DanaG: Not entirely sure. :-)
[20:53] <yofel> zcat[1]: then add yourself to the affected users of the buttons bug, vote for a solution on the brainstorm idea and complain to the ayatana folks, not here
[20:53] <zcat[1]> Well I AM COMPLAINING..
[20:54] <KB1JWQ> DanaG: It's a discrete graphics thing from nvidia as best I can tell.
[20:54] <zcat[1]> gah, it better be changed back.
[20:54] <xzcvczx> set up a bug saying they are on wrong side :P
[20:54] <DanaG> which bug was the "move the buttons back, damnit!" bug?
[20:54] <xzcvczx> too late
[20:54] <xzcvczx> comment on that bug then
[20:54] <KB1JWQ> DanaG: I'm pulling the alternative install CD now, so I can actually get Ubuntu installed in text mode.
[20:54] <KB1JWQ> From there I can play with it.
[20:54] <zcat[1]> link for the bug, I'm lazy...
[20:54] <vega> actually thinking of trying out kde after 3-4 years of gnome.. mainly because of bad app choices (empathy, f-spot, ...) and those button things
[20:54] <xzcvczx> i dunno you will have to ask DanaG
[20:54] <cousteau> about the buttons, I think that it's not late yet since it's just a beta. Adding an option on the Appearance menu would be enough
[20:54] <bjsnider> DanaG, i took it and changed it to "won't fix"
[20:54] <yofel> zcat[1]: vote for a change and it might be changed back, if you just complain in this support channel nothing will happen
[20:55] <DanaG> I don't have the number on hand.
[20:55] <xzcvczx> vega, i prefer to use the main supported DE/WM with a distro
[20:55] <cousteau> or make each theme have their buttons on a different side
[20:55] <xzcvczx> vega, aka gnome w/ ubuntu, kde with (oh no he didn't) suse or redhat
[20:55] <KB1JWQ> DanaG: Survey says it's the nvs3100m
[20:55] <DanaG> ah.
[20:56] <cousteau> I mean, the human and clearlooks themes on the right, the current one (dunno its name) and the aqua one on the left...
[20:56] <cousteau> but maybe the option on the Appearance menu is enough
[20:56] <vega> xzcvczx: doesn't redhat defalt to gnome..?
[20:57] <yofel> bug 532633
[20:57] <xzcvczx> vega, meh dunno, but suse does kde better
[20:57] <yofel> PLEASE READ THE COMMENTS
[20:57] <Linux000> vega: Used to, not sure if it changed
[20:59] <zcat[1]> I've read all the comments. The dvorack keyboard layout is also better, let's just make that the default in 10.04 too!!!
[20:59] <xzcvczx> lol this bug must hae the most status changes ever
[20:59] <xzcvczx> s/hae/have/
[20:59] <DanaG> It's worse than the notify-osd thing, too.
[20:59] <cousteau> damn, chatzilla assumes all bugs are from bugzilla and links to them
[20:59] <kklimonda> zcat[1]: so you are saying that it's just as hard to switch to the dvorak layout and replace keyboard as it is to click on the left side of the window?
[21:00] <janjok> Hi, after changing the driver in xorg from vesa to radeon
[21:00] <kklimonda> damn, maybe I should learn dvorak - I was thinking about it for some time
[21:00] <janjok> I get a blank screen after boot
[21:00] <janjok> I+ve tried the recovery mode
[21:00] <zcat[1]> kklimonda:  for the users I deal with, pretty damn close to that, yes.
[21:00] <janjok> same issue
[21:00] <yofel> zcat[1]: you read all 226 comments already? wow, fast...
[21:00] <xzcvczx> kklimonda, it is hard to switch from dvorak to qwerty if you a)don't know dvorak b) must do it from command line c)have a qwerty keyboard
[21:00] <bjsnider> kklimonda, no, he's saying that he wants to buy us all dvorak keybaords
[21:01] <richthegeek> janjok: two monitors?
[21:01] <janjok> richthegeek: one
[21:01] <richthegeek> janjok: kk, not#533135 then
[21:01] <richthegeek> janjok: does your system have a SysReq button?
[21:01] <richthegeek> janjok: the keyboard I mean
[21:01] <janjok> n
[21:01] <janjok> `no
[21:02] <janjok> *no
[21:02] <richthegeek> janjok: shame... apparently alt+sysreq can get you past that sorta thing.
[21:02] <richthegeek> Anyone know how to change the alt+sysreq key combo for Plymouth?
[21:02] <janjok> can i somehow force vesa on grub?
[21:02] <zcat[1]> OMFG, got a request from a parent, their kid has installed some parental access control addon and they can't get to websites.. LOL
[21:02] <yofel> sysreq is often mapped to 'print', try that
[21:03] <xzcvczx> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[21:03] <xzcvczx> zcat[1], nice
[21:03] <yofel> zcat[1]: LOL
[21:03] <richthegeek> yofel: right, trying a reboot now on a new install (finally got a daily to boot, see bug #540834)
[21:03] <zcat[1]> glubble? Hmm...
[21:03] <Some_Person> Ok, does anyone have anything else to add to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/541503
[21:03] <DanaG> If it weren't for the fact that (a) debian has really old stuff and (b) xorg-edgers on ubuntu has really new stuff, I'd just about go back to debian.
[21:04]  * yofel subscribes the bug
[21:04] <janjok> any ideas then on the alt+sysreq combination on an apple keyboard?
[21:04] <zcat[1]> also my launchpad login doen't work. I KNOW I used to have one!
[21:04] <xzcvczx> Some_Person, did you not see my update, apparently xchat-gnome comes up with browse dialog on attempted dcc recieve
[21:04] <bjsnider> Some_Person, you could also add that nobody is working on xchat-gnome and hasn't been for a long time
[21:04] <kklimonda> Some_Person: it's not really a reason to move it over to main
[21:05] <kklimonda> Some_Person: I'd say that xchat-gnome should be demoted to universe though
[21:05] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: ok, i'll remove that
[21:05] <Some_Person> bjsnider: I'll add that
[21:05] <KB1JWQ> No way to throw the standard install CD into a text mode install?
[21:05] <zcat[1]> Ahhh.. apparently it's my old email
[21:06] <yofel> KB1JWQ: you need the alternate disk for that
[21:06] <KB1JWQ> yofel: Was afraid of that. :-)
[21:06] <yofel> KB1JWQ: or get the dvd, it hast the live mode and test-mode installer
[21:06] <yofel> s/test/text
[21:06] <KB1JWQ> No alpha DVD last I checked...
[21:06] <xzcvczx> KB1JWQ, or just do a network install :P
[21:06] <richthegeek> yofel: no luck, no key combo helped, still experienced #533135
[21:07] <kklimonda> Some_Person: why do you think it should be moved over to main other than that is't better than xchat-gnome?
[21:07] <richthegeek> the installation I am having the problem on is on a seperate partition, can I chroot in and switch to the nvidia driver?
[21:07] <xzcvczx> kklimonda, why do you think it shouldn't?
[21:07] <yofel> KB1JWQ: there are daily builds of the dvd: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[21:07] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, of course
[21:07] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: sweet
[21:07] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, you shouldn't even need to chroot in though
[21:07] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, can you edit the grub command line?
[21:08] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: is that just "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current"
[21:08] <KB1JWQ> xzcvczx: Can't do that from the primary either I don't think?
[21:08] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: I could do but I dont think it has the drivers installed
[21:08] <kklimonda> xzcvczx: it doesn't integrate with gnome, has some really irritating bugs, there are already three irc clients in main and being in main doesn't mean anything but that it's going to by maintained by Canonical
[21:08] <xzcvczx> KB1JWQ, just use netboot from another pc
[21:08] <KB1JWQ> xzcvczx: I'm 1500 miles from home unfortunately. :-)
[21:08] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, thats fine just boot into "single user mode" and you can do whatever you like
[21:09] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: little bit more of a howto?
[21:09] <duffydack> chrome has theme now for ambiance/radiance, how about a FF theme please..
[21:09] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: the issue is bug #533135
[21:10] <CosmiChaos> nvidia 8600gts runs in 4x bus teype mode, please help. http://paste.ubuntu.com/397463/
[21:10] <richthegeek> back in a minute
[21:10] <xzcvczx> kklimonda, so your options are, cmd line, qt, qt?
[21:11] <janjok> well, that bug talks about the nouveau driver with > 1 display
[21:11] <kklimonda> Some_Person: btw - you have to follow these guidlines to fill MIR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess (i.e. you have to prepare a wiki page with some info about package)
[21:11] <Some_Person> kklimonda: Because there should be a full IRC client that is still under development and supported by ubuntu
[21:11] <janjok> my setup uses an ATI card
[21:12] <kklimonda> xzcvczx: empathy, pidgin, xchat-gnome, irssi, two other clients from qt/kde front
[21:13]  * DanaG has an RV635 (Mobility HD3650).
[21:13] <Some_Person> kklimonda: Where does it say I have to prepare a wiki page?
[21:13] <DanaG> With xorg-edgers and drm-next kernel, it's awesome.
[21:13] <JEEBsv> well, xchat-gnome certainly loses in the 'sane defaults' range >_> and as was stated, it doesn't seem to be developed any more. Of course, I guess switches never take place from the main?
[21:13] <JEEBsv> (xchat-gnome out, xchat in f.ex.)
[21:14] <JEEBsv> anyways, building quassel :3
[21:14] <Jaymac> just saw the beta is delayed until tomorrow :(
[21:14] <richthegeek> xzcvczx, yofel: sorted sorta... Nouveau is still borked but I had nvidia set up in about 5 seconds so it's all good
[21:14] <kklimonda> Some_Person: actually this whole page is about things you have to prepare for MIR and it's done as a wiki page
[21:14] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, yeah should be able to fix it, as i say just google for how to get grub to go into single user and you will be root logged in
[21:14] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, all good then
[21:14] <kklimonda> JEEBsv: well - xchat replacing xchat-gnome is the only reason for this MIR to get accepted.
[21:14] <yofel> JEEBsv: why not use the repos packages? they're quite new
[21:14] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: sorta, would love for plymouth and/or nouveau to actually just work though
[21:15] <JEEBsv> yofel: I like to get stuff built :3
[21:15] <yofel> JEEBsv: :D
[21:15] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, meh i would rather just use nvidia-binary for now
[21:15] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: yeah, 3D effects are nice, but nouveau seems fast. Got a 2 second boot when it worked
[21:15]  * yofel uses nvidia-binary, purged plymouth and is happy
[21:15] <Some_Person> kklimonda: Have I not already done what I need to for it (steps 1-3)?
[21:15] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: I am using an SSD though so it's not to be aimed at by most
[21:16] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, yes but i do 3d stuff so stuff no accel
[21:16] <richthegeek> yofel: purged plymouth? is your boot ugly then?
[21:16] <yofel> richthegeek: text mode boot yes, but I like it like that
[21:16] <richthegeek> yofel: faster that way i imagine
[21:16] <yofel> someone said it is
[21:17] <yofel> but the boot is so fast today that you don't see much of the text anyway
[21:17] <kklimonda> Some_Person: here you go: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements (for example it looks like that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportGwibber)
[21:17] <richthegeek> now, how to remove gwibber and so on.. it's appearing in my "top" list and I don't even use it
[21:18] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, from synaptic or from apt-get remove gwibber
[21:18] <xzcvczx> will most likely work
[21:18] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, is there a rss reader in the "top" list now?
[21:18] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: just removed it so couldn't tell you
[21:19] <xzcvczx> ah ok
[21:19] <richthegeek> I love having my /home on a different partition :)
[21:19] <xzcvczx> meh i prefer to just have it on the same partition and just upgrade disk to upgrade distro
[21:20] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: I have a backup partition on one of my disks so if this install goes down I can fix it from that one
[21:20] <richthegeek> and I like having my settings all sorted
[21:20] <kklimonda> Some_Person: and xchat development isn't that active - there has been no tarball released since jun 2008 :/
[21:22] <Some_Person> Well, it's more than xchat-gnome. Jan. 10, 2007 was the last release that wasn't just bugfixes
[21:23] <KB1JWQ> Whee, expert mode.
[21:25]  * KB1JWQ goes to the future, grabs Ubuntu 12.10, brings disk back
[21:25] <KB1JWQ> That was easy.
[21:25] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:26] <Some_Person> KB1JWQ: What are the positions of the buttons?
[21:26] <Seq> Hi, How would I debug a failure to boot? Last line I get is: "[drm] nouveau 000:02:00.0 PRAMIN flush timeout", then nothing
[21:26] <kklimonda> KB1JWQ: no sources? :/
[21:26] <KB1JWQ> kklimonda: Knew I forgot something.
[21:27] <KB1JWQ> Some_Person: Hahahah, I said 2012, not 2010.  Haptic interface, dude...
[21:27] <Some_Person> KB1JWQ: I know, but did they switch them back sometime between now and 2012?
[21:28] <KB1JWQ> Some_Person: Didn't stick around long enough to find out, what with the asteroid and all...
[21:29] <richthegeek> wow Ubuntu has a lot of worthless packages installed...
[21:30] <kklimonda> i'm pretty sure there is no single worthless package on the livecd
[21:30] <richthegeek> kklimonda: to clarify, worthless to me
[21:30] <kklimonda> unless.. right
[21:30] <xfact> Just got the news that Beta 1 release has postponede till Firday
[21:30] <KB1JWQ> richthegeek: http://bash.org/?891175
[21:30] <xfact> oops!
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> except the janitor?
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:31] <richthegeek> KB1JWQ: well done for having that to hand, but didn't Simpsons do it first?
[21:31] <xfact> I mean just got the news that Ubuntu lucid Beta 1 release just postponed to friday 19th, too  bad :(
[21:31] <KB1JWQ> What else am I supposed to do while this thing installs? :-)
[21:33] <Some_Person> xfact: Well, in about 1 and a half hours, it'll be the 19th in GMT
[21:33] <xzcvczx> KB1JWQ, stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye?
[21:33] <richthegeek> KB1JWQ: eat? every damn program in this OS tries to remove acpi-support when I remove it...
[21:33] <xzcvczx> Some_Person, in fact its already 10:33 on the 19th of march
[21:33] <Some_Person> xzcvczx: huh?
[21:34] <KB1JWQ> I'm hoping the OS itself has better hardware support than the installer.
[21:34] <xfact> Some_Person, Thats not the matter here already 19th 3:04 AM (IST), but I think they will release it middle of 19th.
[21:34] <yofel> Some_Person, xzcvczx: please stick to UTC while talking in here
[21:34] <xzcvczx> yofel, meh stuff UTC
[21:34] <xzcvczx> yofel, NZDT is more advanced
[21:35] <richthegeek> sudo apt-get remove sudo
[21:35] <richthegeek> recursion!!
[21:35] <yofel> channel time is UTC
[21:35] <richthegeek> !time
[21:35] <KB1JWQ> grub2 or grub legacy the way to go here?
[21:35] <yofel> richthegeek: wrong
[21:35] <yofel> @now
[21:35] <nishanth> can some one help me fix plymouth?
[21:35] <Some_Person> xfact: 3:04 AM? You're UTC + 5:30?
[21:35] <KB1JWQ> nishanth: What's the issue?
[21:35] <yofel> xzcvczx: wth is NZDT?
[21:35] <richthegeek> yofel: I feel so useless..
[21:35] <yofel> richthegeek: *g*
[21:36] <nishanth> well i dont see the plymouth animation when the system boots
[21:36] <xfact> Some_Person, Yup I guess so
[21:36] <xzcvczx> yofel, lol +13
[21:36] <yofel> xzcvczx: oh, yeah, nice place to live at :D
[21:36] <xfact> here it shows GMT+5:30 too
[21:37] <Some_Person> xfact: I've never heard of one that was + or - anything :30
[21:37] <xfact> yup I do not see the plymouth animation too, rather then that it shows some I/O error texts :(
[21:37] <yofel> Some_Person: there are some though
[21:37]  * xfact someone gonna whois me...
[21:37] <xfact> yup
[21:38] <nishanth> is there a way to fix it?
[21:38] <xzcvczx> xfact, don't care :P
[21:39] <xfact> that was not to you...
[21:39] <Some_Person> xfact: I've got your IP, but oddly it doesn't resolve to a hostname
[21:39] <xzcvczx> Some_Person, then use command line to whois ip
[21:39] <KB1JWQ> Hm.  I can't get this to boot in single user mode without the screen going dead.
[21:39] <nishanth> can someone help me fix the plymouth
[21:40] <richthegeek> grr @ ubuntuone, empathy, telepathy, transmission, pxljr, onboard, orca, mscompress, indicator-*, hpijs, hplip, cups, gnome-bluetooth, evolution, espeak, bluez, and brltty
[21:40] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, thats a lot of hate
[21:40] <Some_Person> xfact: You're in India
[21:40] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, what did they do?
[21:40] <xfact> again why people always end up with IP for online informations :|
[21:40] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: they were on my system when they didn't need to be... already slaughtered gwibber
[21:40] <Some_Person> xfact: /whois xfact
[21:40] <xfact> Some_Person, Yup, you could ask me directly rather then doing some hard work (whois...)
[21:41] <Some_Person> whois is hard work?
[21:41] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: why do we have HP printing drivers on all systems instead of just installing on first connection?
[21:41] <xfact> lol
[21:41] <xfact> harder then asking...
[21:41] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, because noone uses hp anymore
[21:41] <yofel> richthegeek: they have their purposes, I use hplip for example as I have a HP printer, and you need at least one e-mail app (evolution)
[21:41] <xzcvczx> xfact, but more often its not bullfaeces
[21:41] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: gmail
[21:41] <richthegeek> sorry, that was to yofel
[21:42]  * xfact thats odd 
[21:42] <richthegeek> yofel: so install the drivers or have them auto install like Windows does (yes, I hate that phrase and very concept too, but they do get some things right)
[21:42] <yofel> richthegeek: I use gmx and like their interface, but I just can' manage all mails that I get online
[21:42] <richthegeek> yofel: I only get about 20/day
[21:42] <richthegeek> yofel: you tried using labels?
[21:42] <yofel> richthegeek: do you realize that you just said: auto-install? windows has the drivers on their install dvd too for that
[21:42] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, why don't they just implement everything from win vista into ubuntu, would that makes you happier?
[21:43] <xzcvczx> including a stupidly expensive rego key and activation
[21:43] <richthegeek> yofel, xzcvczx: I wasn't suggesting anything quite so pervasive as Windows, and I would absolutely hate having a winclone for an OS (I use teh buntu for a reason), but the way it handles drivers is a lot better than Linux
[21:43] <yofel> richthegeek: you aren't subscribed to various mailing lists and bug reports
[21:44] <richthegeek> yofel, xzcvczx: just an online repo of HW ID's and the drivers required to make them go
[21:44] <xfact> Some_Person, You live in TX and using a at&t connection right?
[21:45] <yofel> richthegeek: one strong point of linux is that you don't need to install any drivers to get most HW to work, it works out of the box, not line in windows: install os, then spend a day to install all drivers and vendor software
[21:45] <richthegeek> yofel, xzcvczx: you know, the numbers you get from lsusb such as 046d:c318, I am under the impression these are device specific? so why not have the HAL or whatever handles it ping a server for the right driver
[21:45] <Some_Person> xfact: Yep
[21:45] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, technically no, theoretically yes
[21:45] <yofel> s/line/like
[21:45] <xfact> nice!
[21:45] <richthegeek> yofel: you are a bit skewed there... I had to install wireless drivers and NV drivers for Windows, but I had to do that for buntu as well
[21:46] <Some_Person> xfact: most people stop and assume swbell though from my hostname, but they merged into SBC which merged into AT&T years ago
[21:46] <nishanth> i have a problem with changing the desktop appearance
[21:46] <richthegeek> yofel: for Windows I had to force it to use the one off the disk, for Linux I had to download a driver, edit it, compile it, and install it
[21:46] <nishanth> can someone help me
[21:46] <Some_Person> xfact: You actually went far enough to find AT&T
[21:46] <yofel> richthegeek: on my eeePC I had to install nothing, and the nvidia drivers aren't included for licensing issues
[21:46] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: so there is no way to uniquely identify a piece of hardware based only on the info it provides?
[21:47] <nishanth> when i try to changing form none to extra or normal
[21:47] <xfact> Some_Person, yup I can see that too
[21:47] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, theoretically yes, technically no
[21:47] <richthegeek> xzcvczx: this is for all** pieces of hardware, not just one of course
[21:47] <yofel> richthegeek: that there are a few wireless drivers that aren't included for installation of the live disk is another issue that should be improved
[21:47] <xzcvczx> richthegeek, theoretically yes, technically no
[21:47] <xfact> SBC Internet Services, Inc.
[21:47] <nishanth> it says couldnot desktop effects could not be enabled
[21:47] <Some_Person> xfact: No longer exists
[21:48] <yofel> nishanth: wait, you said you have an core i5 right?
[21:48] <nishanth> yup
[21:48] <xfact> Some_Person, Who cares, I just needed to know where you are too, and I got that  :)
[21:49] <yofel> nishanth: maybe the intel drivers from xorg-edgers will work better for you as those chips are quite new
[21:49] <yofel> nishanth: maybe ask in #ubuntu-x if it will help
[21:49] <Some_Person> xfact: Well, my hostname actually gives away my city
[21:49] <xfact> Some_Person, Is that Plano?
[21:49] <Some_Person> xfact: no
[21:50] <xzcvczx> who can guess what country i am from
[21:50] <xfact> Some_Person, Well, Somewhere in TX, that's enough information, I am not going to meet you there lol
[21:50] <Some_Person> xfact: see the "hstntx" in my hostname?
[21:51] <yofel> Some_Person: lol
[21:51] <xzcvczx> houston we have a problem
[21:51] <richthegeek> wit at it's finest
[21:52] <xfact> Some_Person, yup so...?
[21:52]  * xfact is not really a network specialist 
[21:53] <BUGabundo> is there a ppa for Text::BibTeX ?
[21:55] <xzcvczx> so is it plymouth that destroyed the beta release?
[21:56] <Some_Person> Why don't they just screw plymouth if it's so problematic and bring back xsplash?
[21:56]  * xzcvczx agrees
[21:56] <xzcvczx> seems like its causing much more problems than its soling
[21:56] <xzcvczx> solving
[21:57] <xfact> bye for sec
[21:57] <Some_Person> what was wrong with xsplash anyway?
[22:00] <Some_Person> heck, i even thought usplash was ok
[22:00] <virtuald> some_person: plymouth runs before x starts and xsplash after
[22:00] <bjsnider> plymouth uses kms
[22:01] <virtuald> bjsnider: does it run after x starts?
[22:01] <Some_Person> then go back to the old usplash! it ran before x
[22:01] <virtuald> why
[22:02] <virtuald> there's at least one month left to fix the bugs
[22:02] <bjsnider> doesn't matter if the modesetting is done in the kernel switching to and from x is mega-fast
[22:02] <Some_Person> because plymouth's not working and apparently it's bad to start a splash after X or something?
[22:02] <CaneToad> I'm running Jaunty and just installed openldap (slapd package)....but in doing that, the entire /var/run directory was chowned to user openldap....that seems to be a bug...can someone see if that happens in latest distro?
[22:03] <virtuald> canetoad: this channel is for the next unreleased ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu
[22:03] <CaneToad> I intended the question for the unreleased distro
[22:03] <yofel> virtuald: he wanted us to test it on lucid
[22:03] <virtuald> oh sorry
[22:05] <Some_Person> I just think it's silly to delay the beta on account of a broken splash
[22:06] <virtuald> it's just a beta
[22:06] <Some_Person> If it's broken and can't be easily repaired, just trash it
[22:06] <yofel> CaneToad: only /var/run/slapd is openldap:openldap here, the rest wasn't changed
[22:06] <virtuald> you can still download the daily image
[22:06] <JEEBsv> ^his
[22:06] <JEEBsv> *this
[22:06] <virtuald> from cdimage.ubuntu.com or your local mirror
[22:06] <Some_Person> virtuald: I've heard the current one is broken
[22:07] <JEEBsv> I just had someone boot the image from around 4-5h
[22:07] <JEEBsv> ago
[22:07] <yofel> Some_Person: well, then why do you want to release the images if they're broken? and no, plymouth will not be removed
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Some_Person: I think it has to do with booting it, actually. Just throwing it out doesn't quite work
[22:07] <yofel> actually cryptsetup depends on plymouth now, so you can't just throw it out
[22:08] <DanaG> argh, how do I get networkmanager to automatically connect "system connections" on a headless box?
[22:08] <virtuald> yofel: is it the password entry bug that holds back the beta release?
[22:09]  * xzcvczx thinks they are going to have fun getting plymouth sorted out in 24hrs
[22:09] <yofel> virtuald: no idea
[22:09] <virtuald> ok
[22:09] <virtuald> it still works when i type it in carefully
[22:10] <DanaG> ah, had to set managed=true for networkmanager.
[22:14] <CalmvsKhaos> im sure this bug's been covered before, but if i click/drag an application around it freezes up for a few seconds, is there a work around for that?
[22:21] <CaneToad> yofel, thanks
[22:21] <yofel> CaneToad: you're welcome
[22:21] <yofel> CaneToad: tested on i386 btw
[22:21] <CaneToad> same
[22:26] <koliz> Oh so it's delayed :) Is that common?
[22:27] <koliz> I don't really care I just got the impression after reading the how the ubuntu releases work that when they hit the specific date they release it.
[22:27] <koliz> A real question: how do you know that it's delayed until tomorrow? I mean, how could I have figured that out instead of coming here?
[22:28] <koliz> A real question: how do you know that it's delayed until tomorrow? I mean, how could I have figured that out instead of coming here?
[22:28] <koliz> sorry for that
[22:28] <yofel> koliz: we got a mail on the devel-announce mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[22:30] <koliz> yofel, alright. so there's no "news" page for lucid?
[22:31] <yofel> koliz: not really, devel communication is done over mailing list and IRC mostly, the only news you get is "it's released" or nothing
[22:31] <xzcvczx> koliz, for releases yes, for betas and alphas they occasioanly fall on days of solar flares and are therefore postponed by a day
[22:31] <xzcvczx> announce list'
[22:31] <xzcvczx> announce list'
[22:31] <koliz> okey :) Cheers
[22:34] <sburwood> I was wondering ... is there now and will there be in the release version a way to suppress feedback when you type in your password?
[22:34] <sburwood> you know, the asterixes ...
[22:34] <xzcvczx> type in password to where?
[22:34] <nhaines> Ooh, that's a good question.
[22:35] <IdleOne> I think there already is
[22:35] <IdleOne> least there used to be
[22:35] <sburwood> Yes, 9.10 ... if I remember, had it
[22:36] <sburwood> Lucid is so much faster than Karmic was.  Of course, it isn't yet the release version
[22:36] <IdleOne> doesn't bother me though
[22:36] <IdleOne> sburwood: why do you not want to see the asterisks?
[22:37] <sburwood> IdleOne: you may consider me parano, but I want it to be as secure as possible.
[22:38] <sburwood> if someone can read the number of characters in your password, it's faster and easier to have problems
[22:38] <IdleOne> sburwood: knowing the amount of characters in a password does make it easier for someone to try and crack but seriously dude
[22:38] <IdleOne> I mean what do you have on your pc that is so important :)
[22:38] <sburwood> I know.  I watch too many films ...
[22:38] <IdleOne> lol
[22:38] <IdleOne> stop watching Hackers!
[22:38] <sburwood> not that I have anything of national security interest
[22:39] <sburwood> but I don't want someone to mess around with my computer, and it is a possibility
[22:39] <IdleOne> I would prefer that it shows the asterisks but that it displays a random amount
[22:40] <IdleOne> at work we have a couple of apps we use and when we type in our passwords it adds more then actually entered
[22:40] <jason> certain conditions on my laptop if I am typing then I press return for an app to process a task my mouse freezes just for a few seconds? anyone experience this
[22:40] <sburwood> I understand that.  I don't know what "Hackers" is
[22:40] <xzcvczx> sburwood, really??
[22:40] <IdleOne> sburwood: ohhhh, you need to google
[22:40] <sburwood> I don't live in the USA
[22:40] <xzcvczx> sburwood, zer0cool and crash override and acid burn
[22:40] <IdleOne> Hackers is a movie from the 80's
[22:41] <sburwood> oh, I must have forgotten
[22:41] <Muscovy> It would be nice if it did a generic one character or something. I remember it really puzzling me the first time I was asked for sudo password. :|
[22:41] <IdleOne> all geeks MUST watch Hackers once maybe twice a year
[22:41] <CalmvsKhaos> sburwood, for being 'paranoid' you dont even have a encrypted connection to freenode! :)
[22:41] <koliz> from the 80's it isn not
[22:41] <IdleOne> koliz: 90's?
[22:41] <IdleOne> well it's old
[22:41] <IdleOne> :P
[22:41] <sburwood> I'm living in a place where they speak French
[22:41] <koliz> 90's yea
[22:41] <koliz> but not knowing of hackers!
[22:41] <koliz> I mean, hackers and operation takedown
[22:42] <koliz> that's standard shit
[22:42] <sburwood> If I could get an encrypted connection to whatever, I would
[22:42] <CalmvsKhaos> not hard to do sburwood
[22:42] <IdleOne> koliz: yeah but watch the language please :)
[22:42] <koliz> sburwood, loosen up =)
[22:42] <sburwood> I remember that film with Gene Hackman and Will Smith
[22:42] <CalmvsKhaos> theres a how to on connecting to freenode encrypted , you'd have to google it though
[22:42] <koliz> IdleOne, yea yea =)
[22:42] <IdleOne> ehhh that was goverment stuff.
[22:43] <IdleOne> not a "real" hacker movie
[22:43] <IdleOne> ha!
[22:43] <sburwood> yeah ... I know, but NSA stuff ...
[22:43] <koliz> what movie is that? Men in black?
[22:43] <koliz> Independence day ?
[22:43] <jason> Isn't all this totally off topic
[22:43] <sburwood> Enemys of the State
[22:43] <sburwood> or something like that
[22:43] <IdleOne> jason: indeed
[22:43] <koliz> oh right
[22:43] <jason> Is this not the support channel for lucid
[22:44] <IdleOne> but it started because of a good ontopic question
[22:44] <koliz> :)
[22:44] <IdleOne> jason: why do you keep asking questions you know the answer to?
[22:44] <jason> idk ?
[22:44] <koliz> it's healthy to go a little bit of topic now and then
[22:44] <xzcvczx> jason, no
[22:44] <IdleOne> jason: :) point made
[22:44] <IdleOne> and this is not really a support channel in the #ubuntu sense
[22:44] <sburwood> I do have something that might be more on topic.  I have a scanner.  When I try to scan, it opts for a v4l USB camera, rather than the scanner
[22:45] <xzcvczx> and anyway the beta has been delayed 24hrs therefore the on-topicness is disabled for 24hrs
[22:45] <sburwood> if it isn't, tell me where to ask that question
[22:45] <koliz> xzcvczx, haha
[22:45] <yofel> IdleOne: well, it is, but it's not so busy so we tend to forget that :D
[22:45] <IdleOne> sburwood: you can ask in #ubuntu but if you are running lucid they will refer you back here
[22:45] <jason> IdleOne, I'm aware I asked a question on the mouse freezing but wanted to make sure that I was in the right channel
[22:45] <IdleOne> yofel: true
[22:45] <sburwood> xzcvczx: How do you pronounce your name?
[22:45] <jason> I am running lucid
[22:46] <xzcvczx> X Z C V C Z X
[22:46] <sburwood> I have lucid on this computer
[22:46] <xzcvczx> aka ex zed see vee see zed ex
[22:46] <koliz> hahaha
[22:46] <bjwebb> ooh
[22:46] <IdleOne> xzcvczx: is from Canada I believe
[22:46] <sburwood> IdleOne: I am using lucid
[22:46] <koliz> those canadians
[22:46] <xzcvczx> xzcvczx, is not from canada i believe
[22:46] <IdleOne> sburwood: what model scanner?
[22:47] <koliz> I'm gonna play around with the beta on my eeepc 1000he.
[22:47] <IdleOne> xzcvczx: ok some part of the world that is not USA
[22:47] <sburwood> Idle, it recognizes the scanner and, when I choose it, it uses the scanner
[22:47] <IdleOne> ok so what is the problem?
[22:47] <sburwood> I just want to remove the choice of the USB camera
[22:47] <IdleOne> oh
[22:47] <sburwood> so it just chooses the scanner
[22:48] <IdleOne> hmm I am not sure how you would do that
[22:48] <IdleOne> should be a way to set that as the default
[22:48] <sburwood> I haven't found it yet
[22:48] <sburwood> Oh, well, I'll continue to look for that
[22:48] <sburwood> thanks for everyone ... and stop being paranoid ... loll
[22:49] <sburwood> bye
[22:49] <IdleOne> bonne nuit
[22:49] <koliz> so... just 10 minutes until friday here. that means only 10 minutes until beta 1 !!!!
[22:49] <Muscovy> Not necessarily.
[22:50] <IdleOne> koliz: probably not
[22:50] <koliz> oh comeone.
[22:50] <xzcvczx> well its 12hrs into the 19th here now and still no beta 1
[22:50] <koliz> where you at? japan or something?
[22:50] <koliz> au?
[22:50] <koliz> I'll say au
[22:51] <xzcvczx> and i will say you are a knob
[22:51] <BUGabundo> xzcvczx: really? don't tell me you are waiting for a fictiscious date to upgrade or test?
[22:51] <xzcvczx> as i am not australian and i will never be australian and i would never want to be australian
[22:51] <koliz> I'll say that I'm not sure what knob means, however I do recognize the word.
[22:51] <koliz> then you are new zealand.
[22:51] <koliz> +spelling
[22:51] <xzcvczx> well done :)
[22:51] <koliz> so typical for you guys to not like your better half on the left
[22:52] <koliz> no. I take that back
[22:52] <xzcvczx> because they are idiots
[22:52] <koliz> I really don't wanna start that discussion. sorry. I take it back.
[22:52] <BUGabundo> guys
[22:52] <BUGabundo> calm down
[22:52] <BUGabundo> please observe COC
[22:52] <koliz> BUGabundo, "gaaahhh... this beta thing,, it's driving me insane..."
[22:52] <xzcvczx> BUGabundo, lol, yeah yeah i know
[22:52] <BUGabundo> koliz: why?
[22:53] <dupondje> BUGabundo: don't get the hype neither, everybody seems to be waiting for beta 1 ...
[22:53] <dupondje> care :)
[22:53] <dupondje> alpha 1 is cool :)
[22:53] <BUGabundo> xzcvczx: don't 'lol' me! pleae respect others if you want to be respected, no mather where they are from
[22:53] <BUGabundo> thank you
[22:53] <BUGabundo> dupondje: well I've been here since 2nd of November
[22:53] <BUGabundo> so its just BORING
[22:54] <yofel> heh, well, we had our share of the fun until now :D
[22:54] <koliz> dupondje, I'm a bit of a coward really so I have been waiting for beta 1 before trying it out. So of course I'm a bit excited about it :)
[22:54] <dupondje> same here :) alpha 1 is cooler, then something breaks or new stuff comes in
[22:54] <dupondje> now its just some minor fixes ;)
[22:54] <xzcvczx> BUGabundo, well there are no aussies complaining, and it goes both ways
[22:55] <BUGabundo> xzcvczx: *again* please refraim from such messages
[22:55] <BUGabundo> koliz: just get a daily and test it from livecd or something
[22:55] <xzcvczx> certainly
[22:55] <BUGabundo> use a pendrive with netboot.me or full iso
[22:55] <BUGabundo> thank you xzcvczx
[22:55] <koliz> BUGabundo, No I'll rather wait for the beta thanks.
[22:56] <BUGabundo> for livecd testing?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> are you joking me ??
[22:56] <BUGabundo> really?!
[22:56] <yofel> koliz: you can help the folks in #ubuntu-testing until the beta is out, they'll be glad for help on testing the beta candidate images ;)
[22:56] <ellar> is it a joke that "Beta 1 Delayed until 2010-03-19"? What has happened?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> what does it matter? the sooner you test, the sooner you can file bugs, and help move this along!
[22:56] <xzcvczx> ellar, no joke
[22:56] <koliz> yofel, yea well the beta is coming out tomorrow and I'm going to sleep now since it's 00:00 :)
[22:56] <BUGabundo> ellar: probably some installer bug
[22:56] <yofel> ellar: it's not, the images aren't stable enough, last minute fixing is done until tomorrow
[22:57] <BUGabundo> or boot sequence
[22:57] <trism> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[22:57] <koliz> BUGabundo, why does it matter to you what I do? I want the beta for live-cd testing, and after I have tested it and things seems alright I'm gonna install it.
[23:03] <ellar> ok thank you. good night
[23:03] <holstein> BUGabundo: w0w, i was not aware of netboot.me
[23:03] <BUGabundo> holstein: or bko too
[23:03] <holstein> BUGabundo: :)
[23:03] <BUGabundo> koliz: cause one of my pet peeves is miss information
[23:03] <koliz> BUGabundo, what does that mean, "pet peeves" ?
[23:03] <CalmvsKhaos> old term for 'annoyances'
[23:03] <BUGabundo> things that make me scratch
[23:03] <cousteau> if you manage to release the beta in a few hours, you can argument that "it's march 18th in some parts of the world"
[23:03] <koliz> BUGabundo, am I miss informed?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> well, no
[23:03] <BUGabundo> just to kingly
[23:03] <BUGabundo> and attributing *too* much importance to a milestone
[23:03] <BUGabundo> other then the installer
[23:03] <BUGabundo> current packages and daily images will be the same then beta image
[23:03] <BUGabundo> which will be OLD 2 days after it is out
[23:04] <koliz> Well I don't know much when it comes to these stuff. I just thought it made sense for me to skip the alphas and try out a beta since it's closer to the actual release.
[23:05] <koliz> not sure what i'm supposed to say tho. I'm sorry? =/
[23:06] <BUGabundo> koliz: let me tell you a little secret
[23:06] <BUGabundo> this so called beta, is very similar to what used to be alpha 4 on other cycles
[23:06] <koliz> ok
[23:06] <BUGabundo> purposely renamed to beta
[23:07] <BUGabundo> so ppl would feel more confortable testing it
[23:07] <BUGabundo> :P
[23:07] <koliz> well it worked didn't it! I'm here
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:07]  * BUGabundo looks at user count in #
[23:08] <koliz> I'd like to join #ubuntu+2 !
[23:08] <koliz> and get the super secret not public utterly awesome beta!
[23:08] <koliz> yea! beta!
[23:09] <koliz> I need to go to bed know. if I wake up tomorrow and there's no beta out there I promise you BUGabundo I'll get the daily build.
[23:09] <BUGabundo> koliz: leave it already downloading
[23:09] <koliz> haha
[23:09] <BUGabundo> even if beta is out
[23:09] <BUGabundo> you can then just zsync it
[23:09] <BUGabundo> and download only the changed bits
[23:09] <koliz> well no I can't
[23:09] <BUGabundo> okay
[23:10] <koliz> but it sounded funky when  you said it
[23:10] <BUGabundo> would keep you awaked
[23:10] <BUGabundo> care to explain ?
[23:10] <koliz> well I can't.
[23:10] <koliz> cause it made no sense
[23:11] <BUGabundo> !?!?
[23:11] <koliz> good night!
[23:11] <BUGabundo> now you are not making any sense
[23:11] <yofel> koliz: ?
[23:11] <koliz> yofel, ?
[23:11] <yofel> koliz: zsync will only download the parts of the  image that were changed
[23:12] <koliz> yea I know
[23:12] <koliz> BUGabundo said so
[23:12] <yofel> koliz: so if you already have the image you'll only have to get a few MBs
[23:12] <dupondje> I don't know whats installing linux anymore :p
[23:12] <yofel> koliz: that way you won't suffer so much from overloaded servers
[23:12] <dupondje> running this since intrepid :P
[23:12] <koliz> oooooh
[23:13] <koliz> where do I get that daily build! I want it know!
[23:13] <yofel> !daily | koliz
[23:13] <BUGabundo> !daily
[23:13] <BUGabundo> err yofel
[23:13] <yofel> i was faster, i was faster XD
[23:13] <yofel> :P
[23:13] <BUGabundo> :p
[23:13] <koliz> it's not a race guys, calm down in here.
[23:13] <BUGabundo> dupondje: when was your last clean install?
[23:13] <koliz> and watch it with the smileys, don't want this channel to seem like a to happy place
[23:13] <BUGabundo> koliz: friendly poking
[23:14] <BUGabundo> yofel: is now faster then me. 3 cycles ago, I used to be faster then the bot :D
[23:14] <JEEBsv> yofel: thanks for the recommendation of quassel. Seems like the perfect client to move .jp users onto. Although that iso-2022-jp bug report is a bit :/
[23:14] <robin0800> the daily builds are yesterdays none for today
[23:14] <espen77> koliz: this is the happy place
[23:14] <dupondje> BUGabundo: intrepid .. :)
[23:14] <BUGabundo> koliz: then don't visit #ubuntu-release-party
[23:14] <BUGabundo> and bunny killing
[23:14] <koliz> haha
[23:15] <koliz> I'm sorry for asking this, but how do I know if I'm supposed to get the live-build or the 'normal' build?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> koliz: "normal" I would assume you mean ALTERNATE iso
[23:15] <BUGabundo> while "live" is the live cd witrh desktop
[23:15] <robin0800> BUGabundo: yes they call it normall
[23:15] <BUGabundo> they do ?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> and who does?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> :p
[23:16] <koliz> BUGabundo, I can put the live cd on a usb stick, try it out, and then do a normal install - yes ?
[23:16] <koliz> disregard the word 'normal'.
[23:16] <IdleOne> yes
[23:16] <koliz> thanks alot
[23:16] <BUGabundo> koliz: yes
[23:16] <BUGabundo> usb start up disk
[23:16] <koliz> now I'm going to bed, downloading.
[23:16] <IdleOne> what does "normal" mean?
[23:16] <koliz> thanks for all information
[23:17] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:17] <IdleOne> good night koliz
[23:17] <koliz> IdleOne, haha yes. what DOES normal mean?
[23:17] <koliz> night
[23:17] <BUGabundo> see why its my pet peeve?
[23:17] <robin0800> BUGabundo: sorry its daly as aposed to daily-live
[23:17] <BUGabundo> robin0800: correct
[23:17] <robin0800> BUGabundo: but in any case its yesterdays
[23:18] <BUGabundo> yofel: what was the number of users in here 2 weeks ago?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 305 seems pretty large
[23:18] <BUGabundo> robin0800: todays daily is in ubuntu-testing
[23:18] <BUGabundo> actually all 3 rebuilds of it
[23:18] <yofel> seriously can't remember, but definitely <<300
[23:19] <Milos_SD> Hi
[23:19] <yofel> 300 is pretty usual for beta I think, we had about 350 for the rc in karmic iirc
[23:19] <Milos_SD> That new boot screen is ugly. Is there a way to make resolution better so that "Ubuntu 10.04" could look nicer?
[23:20] <Milos_SD> I have Nvidia hw and nvidia driver
[23:21] <nhaines> Milos_SD: no, the boot screen is being used because the correct graphic modes were not available.  So you're actually in text mode.  :D
[23:22] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: blob won't give you FB
[23:22] <BUGabundo> you can try nouveau and get FULL screen resulotion
[23:22] <espen77> any way to kickstart ubuntuone file sync? it has updated directories, but dont seem to want to start on files. :/
[23:22] <nhaines> Milos_SD: as I understand it, the nvidia drivers do not support the correct technology yet.  My desktop computer has nvidia hardware too, so I feel your pain.
[23:22] <Milos_SD> BUGabundo, I use compiz and games a lot, so no nouveau for me
[23:22] <nhaines> On the other hand, I think text-mode bootsplash is awesome.  :D
[23:22] <xzcvczx> espen77, you sure?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: wrong
[23:22] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: nouveaus DOES have 3D support
[23:23] <BUGabundo> inicial and still weak , but its there
[23:23] <BUGabundo> compiz DOES work with it
[23:23] <Ian_> hmm
[23:23] <Ian_> I tried to enable it
[23:23] <Ian_> it told me to enable the drivers
[23:23] <nhaines> BUGabundo: maybe I'll do some tests on it.  Compiz is super laggy for me anyway lately.  Can I enable noveau using jockey-gtk?
[23:23] <Milos_SD> great, can I have compiz random effects and blur with it, and can I play Heroes of Neweth, World of Warcraft, NFS Undercover with it? :D
[23:23] <Milos_SD> :D
[23:23] <espen77> xzcvczx: yes, unless there is a lag before they show in the web page
[23:24] <BUGabundo> nhaines: more like, disable blob
[23:24] <BUGabundo> also you will need x-edgers PPA driver
[23:24] <BUGabundo> archive only has 2D support
[23:24] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: ^^^^^^^^^
[23:25] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: not sure how games will role, I don't play much my self
[23:25] <Ian_Corne> aha
[23:25] <BUGabundo> but I bet the guys at #ubuntu-x would love to hear from you
[23:25] <Ian_Corne> The archive does have 3D support
[23:25] <Ian_Corne> q3 runs
[23:25] <Milos_SD> I managed to get plymouth to work on Jaunty
[23:25] <Ian_Corne> but slooow
[23:25] <Milos_SD> but that was with grub 1
[23:25] <Ian_Corne> and it has direct rendering
[23:26] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: not so sure about it
[23:26] <cousteau> if the bootsplash is in text mode, wouldn't it be enough to configure grub to start on a hi-res? like 1024x768 or so
[23:26] <Milos_SD> I used vga=ask to make it work
[23:26] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: there's a bug with that
[23:27] <nhaines> Ooh, I meant to try vga kernel argument.  But i haven't looked into the bug yet.
[23:29] <BUGabundo> !teste
[23:30] <lenios> pong
[23:31] <BUGabundo> ehe
[23:31] <BUGabundo> with all this netsplits
[23:31] <BUGabundo> and everyone so quiet all the sudden
[23:31] <BUGabundo> I wasn't sure it was ON
[23:34] <Milos_SD> I maked it work :D
[23:34] <Milos_SD> now I have graphical boot :D
[23:34] <MindVirus> Hello.
[23:34] <Milos_SD> Here is how I did it:
[23:34] <MindVirus> Milos_SD: You made your boot from text mode to graphical?
[23:34] <MindVirus> How?
[23:34] <Milos_SD> http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/adjust_grub2_framebuffer
[23:34] <Milos_SD> :D
[23:35] <Milos_SD> but I hate that it checks my disks for errors every time I boot :S
[23:35] <MindVirus> Milos_SD: That shit's on line 103.
[23:36] <MindVirus> Milos_SD: It shouldn't.
[23:36] <MindVirus> Milos_SD: It checks after 25 clean mounts, or on unclean unmount.
[23:36] <virtuald> the disk checks are a bit annoying, can we skip them safely?
[23:36] <virtuald> mindvirus: it checks on every boot here
[23:36] <Milos_SD> MindVirus, I don't know... after I upgraded, it checks every time I reboot :)
[23:37] <MindVirus> Weird.
[23:37] <MindVirus> That should be fixed.
[23:37] <MindVirus> So, I've updated like 3 times over the course of the last 24 hours and there are 0 new updates.
[23:37] <MindVirus> I think that's highly improbable.
[23:37] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: are you sure the disc is good?
[23:37] <KB1JWQ> After grub completes I find myself thrown into "black screen" land.  I realize this is bleeding edge hardware, but I can't get Ubuntu to boot to a shell so I can actually, y'know, fix it. :-)
[23:37] <BUGabundo> care to try from Live CD?
[23:37] <cousteau> it would be nice to reduce its frequency (a home computer is booted more often than a server), and to allow to also check at shutdown
[23:37] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: Do you know how to get to the recovery console?
[23:38] <virtuald> mindvirus: when should it have been fixed? i think i last updated about 24h ago
[23:38] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Yes, and I can do that from the boot CD.
[23:38] <MindVirus> virtuald: I don't know anything about that.
[23:38] <virtuald> ok
[23:38] <Milos_SD> BUGabundo, yes they are good :)
[23:38] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Problem is, that goes through an entire mini-install sequence.
[23:38] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: The CD?
[23:38] <Milos_SD> but there is some update for package "dmsetup"
[23:39] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Yes.  When I select the recovery option in grub, same issue.
[23:39] <Milos_SD> but it wants to remove a lot of applications I use :D
[23:39] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: When you select the recovery option in GRUB it makes you install stuff?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: avoid it then
[23:39] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: No, when I select the recovery option in grub, the kernel messages fly by, and then the black screen issue hits again.
[23:40] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: OK, so the recovery screen doesn't work.
[23:40] <yofel> cousteau: for updates check the upload dates for the packages at the bottom of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2010-March/date.html and see if you have any of them installed
[23:40] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Right.  I've rolled back to Karmic and see the same issues as well.
[23:40] <yofel> cousteau: if not, then there just aren't any updates for you
[23:40] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: I assume you're on a laptop or something right now here.
[23:40] <yofel> MindVirus: ^^^
[23:41] <yofel> cousteau: sry, wrong person
[23:41] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Yes.
[23:41] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Lenovo t510, just released.
[23:41] <Milos_SD> BUGabundo, I have graphical boot now with that modifications I did, but now when I switch to TTY I get black screen :D
[23:41] <cousteau> ok, that makes sense
[23:41] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: Excellent. Load up the GRUB screen by holding shift on bootup.
[23:41] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: I see other people in the forums having issues, but somehow they've managed to get it to boot at least.  I'm not sure what I'm missing.
[23:41] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: That's what I've been doing.
[23:41] <MindVirus> Press "e" next to your regular bootup prompt.
[23:41] <MindVirus> At the end of the kernel line add init=/bin/bash.
[23:42] <MindVirus> You'll be dropped into single user mode command prompt with / mounted r-o.
[23:42] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Doh, that's one option that didn't occur to me.
[23:42] <KB1JWQ> Drop the quiet and splash options as well?
[23:42] <Okidesu> what's with the "You are not authorized to access this page." on the beta 1 page ?!
[23:42] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: You can keep them. They don't matter.
[23:42] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: holy crap that worked.
[23:42] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: You're mounted read-only.
[23:42] <yofel> Okidesu: as the beta isn't out yet, the page is inaccessible
[23:42] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: mount -n -o rw,remount /
[23:43] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Thanks.  Whines that "cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device
[23:43] <KB1JWQ> bash: no job control in this shell
[23:43] <Okidesu> yofel, thanks
[23:43] <MindVirus> Oh boy.
[23:43] <MindVirus> Do you have access to anything?
[23:43] <MindVirus> Any commands working?
[23:43] <KB1JWQ> Yes.
[23:43] <KB1JWQ> Seems to be fine.
[23:43] <yofel> Okidesu: see here for the explenation: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[23:43] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: OK.
[23:43] <MindVirus> I thought that whining was stopping you from mounting your drive read/write.
[23:44] <KB1JWQ> I'm familiar with apt-get
[23:44] <KB1JWQ> No, no.  Sorry, I should have specified.
[23:45] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: Now I don't know what the problem is but you should have enough control over your system to fix it. Unless you find a bug report or fill in some more details, I can no longer be of assistance.
[23:45] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Thanks, this should be sufficient.
[23:45] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: Enjoy. :)
[23:45] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1433207 for future reference
[23:46] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: Could be a problem with your video card driver. I don't know what video card that is but I assume it's nVidia. Try using the nv, nvidia, or vesa drivers.
[23:46] <MindVirus> Vesa will work for *anything*.
[23:47] <MindVirus> You can't use nvidia without installing the binaries first.
[23:47] <KB1JWQ> MindVirus: Will do.  Once I install the driver, calling dpkg to reconfigure the X server is the best way to get it integrated?
[23:47] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: nvidia-xconfig.
[23:47] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: I'm sorry.
[23:47] <MindVirus> That's just for the nvidia driver.
[23:47] <MindVirus> O
[23:47] <MindVirus> *I'd look up xorg.conf examples on the web to see how to set it up.
[23:48] <MindVirus> But I don't trust dpkg-reconfigure.
[23:48] <KB1JWQ> nvidia-detector returns "None"
[23:48] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: Your card's accelerated capabilities may be fried.
[23:48] <MindVirus> Doubtful.
[23:48] <KB1JWQ> I wonder if there's an easy way to set this to go into a nice, non-graphical runlevel 3.
[23:48] <KB1JWQ> (by default)
[23:49] <KB1JWQ> No /etc/inittab, hmm.
[23:49] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: Yes. You need to remove GDM from your startup.
[23:49] <yofel> KB1JWQ: the non-graphical startup doesn't work like that anymore with upstart
[23:49] <KB1JWQ> Debianize me, please-- where does that live? :-)
[23:50] <yofel> KB1JWQ: if aynthing, try to replace 'quiet splash' with 'single' on the grub command prompt (or just use the recovery mode)
[23:50] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: man update-rc.d
[23:50] <KB1JWQ> yofel: Yeah, both fail because Ubuntu decided at some point that even single user mode should be "pretty."  So it calls my graphics card (which has no drivers installed yet)
[23:51] <yofel> KB1JWQ: note: upstart works different than sysvinit, it has a compatibility layer, but no clean runlevel support anymore as it's event-based
[23:51] <KB1JWQ> yofel: I get to pass init=/bin/bash
[23:52] <yofel> MindVirus: update-rc.d also only works for apps that still use sysvinit scripts
[23:52] <MindVirus> yofel: Right-o. I don't know the new syntax.
[23:52] <KB1JWQ> Yet somehow http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8789321&postcount=11 has gotten past this. :-)
[23:53] <yofel> MindVirus: edit the start on statement in the init script, not quite good but the only way right now :(
[23:53] <MindVirus> yofel: My shit's definitely not updating.
[23:53] <MindVirus> yofel: menu-cache, a new package, is not on my box.
[23:54] <yofel> MindVirus: menu-cache is the source package, you should search for libmenu-cache1
[23:55] <MindVirus> yofel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2010-March/006877.html
[23:55] <MindVirus> - Add Conflics/Replace with libmenu-cache0.
[23:55] <MindVirus> - Rename libmenu-cache0 to libmenu-cache1.
[23:56] <MindVirus> Hmm. I have libmenu-cache1.
[23:56] <yofel> MindVirus: yes, so you should have libmenu-cache1 on your system now
[23:56] <yofel> then it's fine
[23:56] <MindVirus> yofel: I don't quite understand why every time I update and dist-upgrade it shows 0 for all fields.
[23:57] <yofel> MindVirus: because of beta freeze only a few packages are updated that need to be fixed, if you don't have those installed you won't get any updates
[23:57] <MindVirus> yofel: It's beta freeze already?
[23:57] <yofel> I got a whole of 3 updates today, 2 of that were daily builds
[23:57] <yofel> MindVirus: we have beta1freeze since a while ago...
[23:58] <KB1JWQ> Whoops.  250 megs of updates, maybe there's something useful in there.
[23:58] <yofel> !schedule | MindVirus
[23:58] <MindVirus> yofel: Oh no.
[23:58] <MindVirus> Empathy is still shit and IIRC it's the default IM client.
[23:58] <Pici> !language
[23:59] <MindVirus> Also, the new themes are unpolished; UI freeze is done too. :(
[23:59] <yofel> MindVirus: it is, it's supposed to integrate better into gnome, I'm glad I don't use it though
[23:59] <BUGabundo> 99% [10 Packages 1289820/1,368kB 94%]                                                                                                            3,372B/s 23s
[23:59] <BUGabundo> STOP HAMMERING THE SERVER! I WANT MY UPGRADES
[23:59] <MindVirus> yofel: It does, absolutely, but it's horribly unusable.
[23:59] <BUGabundo> tyvmx
[23:59] <yofel> BUGabundo: just use your local mirror ...