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latenitePabloRubianes, hi there :)03:27
duanedesignhello latenite03:29
PabloRubianesSorry for the mistake... It's 12:28 Am here sleepiness problems :P03:29
PabloRubianestell me your problem let see if I can give you a hand03:29
PabloRubianesyes latenite I am here03:30
latenitePabloRubianes, thank u already :)03:30
latenitewell log story:03:30
latenite*long03:30
lateniteI have a fileserver and laptop. I mount dirs from the fileserver via sshfs to my latop03:31
lateniteI have 3 users and 3 groups on the fileserver03:31
lateniteusers: kai, mo, trusteduser03:32
latenitegrp: kai, mom, trustesuser03:32
latenitetypo!! users: kai, mom, trusteduser03:32
PabloRubianesgood and the problem is?03:34
latenitewell kai is in the group "trusteduser", mom is not. :03:34
latenite[11:45:16] [root@fileserver:/home/kai] # grep kai /etc/group03:34
latenitetrusteduser:x:1000:kai03:34
latenitekai:x:1002:03:34
latenite[11:45:30] [root@fileserver:/home/kai] #03:34
latenite[11:45:34] [root@fileserver:/home/kai] # grep mom /etc/group03:34
latenitemom:x:1001:03:34
latenite[11:45:47] [root@fileserver:/home/kai] #03:34
lateniteproblem is: kai can la -la the dirs he owns03:35
latenitebut mom can not list hers03:35
lateniteall dirs are "group - trusteduser" and are owned my either mom or kai03:36
PabloRubianeslet me see03:37
latenitesee this03:38
latenitehttp://pastebin.com/4KmNyKw803:38
latenitemom owns "data_mom" but may not list it.03:38
latenitejust like kai owns "data_kai" but he can list ist03:38
lateniteonly difference is: kai is n group trusteduser03:39
lateniteKeine Berechtigung is german an means "permission denied"03:41
latenitePabloRubianes, are u still with me???03:42
PabloRubianesyes I am thinking03:42
lateniteohh ok03:42
PabloRubianeslatenite: I am here03:42
duanedesignwow03:43
latenitefine..take ur time.....just wanted to know03:43
PabloRubianes;-)03:43
PabloRubianesduanedesign: why wow?03:43
duanedesigntrying to understand03:44
latenitesee the pastebin....it tells the whole story03:44
latenitemom owns a dir...but cant list it03:44
lateniteissue is simple. but I am lacking a reason why this is so03:45
latenitedo I need to mention that I ssh into the fileserver to do all this?! does that make a difference?03:46
lateniteduanedesign, get it?03:47
duanedesignlatenite: yes03:48
geirhaShe doesn't have access to /mnt/data, so she won't have access to anything under it either03:48
geirhachmod 775 /mnt/data should fix it03:49
latenitedoes kai have access to it?03:49
geirhaYes, sinces the trusteduser group has access03:50
latenitegeirha, ok let me think about that for a minute.03:50
geirhadrwxrwx---  9 trusteduser trusteduser   that's the permissions on /mnt/data. So first it checks, are you user trusteduser? no, ok, are you in the group trusteduser? no, ok, the you are other, which has no permissions. Too bad.03:52
latenitethis way (775) ANYONE could list the content of /mnt/data03:54
lateniteright?03:54
geirhaYes, but not create or delete files.03:55
latenitewhat I want is: that only users mom and kai may list THEIR-OWN dirs.03:55
latenitebut I dont want ANYONE to be able to list what is in /mnt/data03:55
geirhaThen make /mnt/data only accessible by root03:55
latenitenot even kai nor mom03:56
geirhaAnd mount the dirs it ocntains to the users' homefolders03:56
latenitekai shall only list /mnt/data/data_kai03:56
geirhasudo mount --bind /mnt/data/data_kai /home/kai/data03:56
latenite"Then make /mnt/data only accessible by root"....how?03:57
latenitechown root:root /mnt/data?03:57
latenitelike this?03:57
latenitethere is no /home/kai nor /home/mom03:58
lateniteI only have the users..but no home dirs to it03:59
geirhaOh, I see03:59
geirhaWell, you can't have it selectively list files in a directory. It's either all or none03:59
lateniteyou said: Then make /mnt/data only accessible by root03:59
latenitethat is what my "trusteduser" was for03:59
lateniteso root is not needed...03:59
geirhaYes, that's because I assumed you had homedirs you could simply mount the respective directories in03:59
lateniteget my idea?!04:00
catchjagaHi, my system always had issues while running Ubuntu from CD. Then I found out after giving boot parameters acpi=off and nodma, it worked perfectly. Now,I am having issues after installing ubuntu to hard drive,some 2-3 minutes after booting the screen shows weired zigzag colors. Hope someone can help.04:00
geirhaNow, what's the harm in anyone listing that dir?04:00
geirhaThey'll see data_mom and data_kai, so what, they can't see what's inside them.04:01
lateniteuser could see who else has data_USERNAME on my server04:01
latenitesyygame unwanted04:01
latenite*spygame04:01
latenitee.g. I dont want mom to see that there is a dir called "data_myexgirlfriend"04:02
geirhaThe use more levels I guess04:02
latenitemore levels?...sorry I dont get that04:03
geirhaOr create homedirs and mount only the dirs they should have access to in there04:03
geirha/mnt/data/trustedusers/data_kai  /mnt/data/notsotrusted/data_mom etc04:03
latenitethis way users in /mnt/data/notsotrusted/ could AGAIN see who else has dirs in there04:05
latenitethat does not make any difference? does it?!04:05
geirhaThen I misunderstood I guess.04:05
latenitenono I feel like u realy got it04:06
geirhaThough all users are listed in /etc/passwd, which is world readable ... so all usernames are known to all users no matter what.04:06
latenitebut the levels thing..only helps if you ONLY have ONE user in that level04:06
latenitewhich would be pretty bad if I get 100 users...I have to add 100 new groups04:07
smeag0lHello04:07
catchjagaany one there for a help?04:07
geirhaIf you omit the read bit, you'll have access to it (i.e. you can cd into it), but you cannot list its content.04:08
latenitesure! but users in passwd are not my issue . my issue ist the name of the dirs that can be listed. e.g. data_exgirlfriend OR data_tortureporn04:09
lateniteget it :)04:09
geirhaOk, then use the homedir approach.04:09
geirhaEach user gets the directories they have access to mounted in their homedir.04:10
latenitefurther problem: the /mnt/data/movies  dir the server holds.04:10
latenitegeirha, actualy a good idea. I will do that for now04:11
latenitebut this way "trusteduser" which is a "data-manager" who should be allowed to rwx all data of all users but root ould not be albe to his job04:13
lateniteright?04:13
latenite*able04:13
latenitecatchjaga, what s ur question?04:13
catchjagaHi, my system always had issues while running Ubuntu from CD. Then I found out after giving boot parameters acpi=off and nodma, it worked perfectly. Now,I am having issues after installing ubuntu to hard drive,some 2-3 minutes after booting the screen shows weired zigzag colors. Hope someone can help.04:14
geirhalatenite: Huh? root as full access04:15
latenitewrong gramma on the sentence. sorry. I ment user - trusteduser can not access /home/USERNAME this way04:16
latenitecatchjaga, what s ur xorg.conf? pastebin04:18
geirhaThat depends on the permissions you set on /home/USERNAME of course, but setting it 700 and owned by the user, then only the user himself and root has access.04:18
lateniteoh and if I set it 0740 and make it group trusteduser04:19
catchjagasorry for my ignrance,how do I check that?04:19
latenitethan trusteduser should be albe to read it04:19
latenitecanthus13, wgetpaste | /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:20
canthus13latenite: Eh?04:21
latenitejust copy paste that as root. so we can see ur xorg.conf04:21
geirhalatenite: Read, yes, but not enter it04:21
lateniteso no recurive looki looki?04:22
latenite*recursive04:22
catchjagak.. brb04:22
geirhalatenite: Indeed. Easy to test you know.04:23
latenite*g sure :)04:24
geirhamkdir -p /tmp/dir/data_foo/secret; chmod 740 /tmp/dir; sudo chown root /tmp/dir; ls /tmp/dir /tmp/dir/data_foo04:25
latenitethat is not what I want. I need trusteduser (admin) to handle all files of all users..but trusteduser may not be root04:25
geirhaJust let trusteduser have access to /mnt/data then04:26
latenitethat works perfectly04:27
latenitethank you.04:27
latenitecatchjaga, ???04:31
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catchjagaHi07:44
catchjagaI have an issue after installing ubuntu 9.10 on my pc. After booting up the screen just shows weird colors. Also while installing from live cd, I used acpi=off and nodma boot parameter to load properly, else I had the same issue.07:46
catchjagaanyone ther for help?07:47
catchjagaany one ther to help?07:52
leoquantcatchjaga yes07:59
catchjagaI have an issue after installing ubuntu 9.10 on my pc. After booting up the screen just shows weird colors. Also while installing from live cd, I used acpi=off and nodma boot parameter to load properly, else I had the same issue.08:00
leoquantcatchjaga  you did an upgrade or a clean install?08:05
catchjagaleoquant: u ther?08:05
catchjagaI did a clean install08:05
leoquantcatchjaga if your live cd errors, it probably means your hardware errors08:06
leoquantso your hardware is having trouble with ubuntu 9.1008:06
catchjagaI used the same cd for installing in my laptop, which worked perfectly08:07
leoquantso you had no problems while installing?08:07
catchjagalooks like it.. but I was able to run from live cd with boot parameters acpi=off and nodma08:07
catchjagano.. I didnt had any problems while installing..08:08
catchjagaI tried adding boot parameters by editing from grub menu..08:09
leoquantthis is very ambiguous....is it X, or hardware related....08:09
leoquantcatchjaga you did well doing these things08:09
catchjagabbut looks like nodma is not available from grub boot menu08:10
leoquantmoment is ask for some help ok?08:10
catchjaga?08:12
leoquantcatchjaga i asked for help, please wait a moment08:12
catchjagaok08:12
leoquantcatchjaga you did not get an option safe graphics mode?08:13
catchjagaI just get option for recovery mode.. and for memtest08:14
leoquantyou did the memtest catchjaga ?08:15
catchjagano08:15
leoquantwouldn 't it be wise to do so?08:16
leoquantif possible...08:16
catchjagaleoquant: I will try that now08:18
leoquantok08:18
catchjagaleoquant: Im logging off now.. memtest is not yet cmplete..09:08
Silver_Fox_Hello.09:10
talsemgeestHeya Silver_Fox_ :)09:13
Silver_Fox_Hello09:14
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ZachK_What up y'all.....11:52
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User45can anyone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/uq6bg4J217:16
User45im currently using a vps and command line17:16
User45i recently upgraded to karmic from jaunty :/17:17
Silver_Fox_Hello switchgirl =]17:19
User45can anyone help?17:20
switchgirlhoi17:20
Silver_Fox_Hello User4517:21
User45hi17:22
Silver_Fox_User45,  pastebin the output of "sudo mountall --debug"17:22
Silver_Fox_How are you switchgirl  ?17:23
stef1trying to mount from a server called NAS, I can browse to it using nautilus like smb://nas/ but $ sudo mount smb:/nas/backup /mnt/backup failes DNS resolution failed for smb: no address assiciated with hostname17:25
User45http://pastebin.com/dTVR9h7k17:26
Silver_Fox_This looks like bug 447747:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/44774717:28
User45the thing is, i dont have grub17:30
catchjagahi17:45
celthunderhi17:46
catchjagaIm having issue with ubuntu after installing to hard drive. After booting up I am able to access desktop normally. After some 2 minutes the screen crashes and shows weird colors. Even while installing I used acpi=off and nodma boot parameters.17:47
catchjagaany help?17:54
catchjagacelthunder: can you help?18:07
celthundernot really..18:07
celthundersorry18:07
catchjagacelthunder: thanks18:09
hobgoblinhey swoody18:44
swoodyhello hobgoblin :)18:45
lukjad86Hey there swoody !18:45
swoodyheya lukjad86 :)18:46
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JoeWheelerHi guys, how do i join the ubuntu beginners team?21:31
pedro3005hello JoeWheeler21:32
JoeWheelerHi21:33
JoeWheelerI signed up on the wiki and put my name on the list, is that all i have to do?21:33
lukjad86JoeWheeler No, there is more21:34
pedro3005JoeWheeler, yes, you have to go through a mentoring process21:34
lukjad86JoeWheeler You need to pass a membership test and take a period of training first21:34
pedro3005and do various things as set up a wiki page, launchpad account, sign the code of conduct, join the mailing list et cetera21:34
pedro3005and there's a voting to see if you get in21:35
pedro3005people usually do though21:35
pedro3005it's not strict21:35
lukjad86And the process may change in the future21:35
* pedro3005 sighs21:35
JoeWheelerOK, I've done all that so now I guess i just wait for a mentor? Will i be emailed when assigned one?21:35
pedro3005JoeWheeler, you will probably be contacted by him/her self21:36
pedro3005JoeWheeler, also, hang around in the channels so people get to know you21:36
JoeWheelerOk, also I want to join the beginners dev team, do I need to be in the main beginners team first?21:37
pedro3005JoeWheeler, they have their own selection process, but I think so21:39
pedro3005JoeWheeler, what languages do you know?21:39
JoeWheeleram OK at Java(in a 4 year course using it at uni at the moment) and VB(used it for my A-levels) learning python and C++21:43
pedro3005JoeWheeler, cool. i'm learning python too21:44
JoeWheelerYeh, I've only just started, I did programming challenge 10 in it, it seems like quite a nice language21:46
pedro3005JoeWheeler, it's also my first language21:46
pedro3005it's tough21:47
JoeWheelerPedro, cool! are you planning to learn any others?21:47
phillwadds JoeWheeler to buddy list <-- just about to start learning Java21:48
pedro3005JoeWheeler, yes, in fact21:48
JoeWheelerPedro2005, cool what?21:48
JoeWheelerPedro3005 I mean21:48
pedro_crappy internet21:49
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pedro3005JoeWheeler, I have a friend in college and he promised to introduce me to programming micro-controllers with C. should be fun21:49
JoeWheelerpedro3005, wow that sounds really cool! I'm hoping to do a robotics course next year I'm really interested to learn how to actually interact with the hardware21:51
pedro3005JoeWheeler, yes, yes. though, as it seems to me now, i'll most likely do CS in college... or physics, perhaps21:52
JoeWheelerpedro3005,  I enjoyed my CS college course, it's a useful thing to have a qualification in, I looked at the stats for my uni and apparently 95% of CS grads manage to find a job in the first year after graduating21:55
pedro3005JoeWheeler, that is cool21:55
JoeWheelerpedro3005, how far have you got with your python programming then?21:56
pedro3005JoeWheeler, not too far. about up to classes, sockets.. i've made a simple irc bot21:57
JoeWheelerpedro3005, sounds cool are you using a tutorial or something?21:59
phillwJoeWheeler: pedro3005 has made a filthy mouthed irc bot - lol21:59
pedro3005JoeWheeler, I generally check out the python docs tutorial, but I'm not really following anything strictly21:59
pedro3005phillw, ! lies!21:59
phillwJoeWheeler: ask pedro3005to invite you to see his ircbot at work :-D22:00
pedro3005phillw, and remember I re-coded the entire thing?22:00
phillwpedro3005: ah, yes, but the topic title still remains - lol22:01
pedro3005so most stuff that it used to have aren't present in this new version. can't see what you mean by filthy mouthed though22:01
pedro3005phillw, oooh22:01
pedro3005the !piss command22:01
pedro3005that22:01
pedro3005phillw, that's from way back when it still was an eggdrop22:02
JoeWheelerphillw, hehe sounds like fun!22:03
JoeWheelerphillw, the foul mouthed chat-bot that is22:03
phillwit's not my irc channel to invite you into, pedro3005 may be able to22:03
pedro3005it isn't restricted22:04
pedro3005anyone can join ##devil .. it's not mine either22:04
phillwI know, it's mohi1's22:04
pedro3005JoeWheeler, just be careful around there. we're not exactly family-friendly22:04
phillwpedro3005: I think the topic when you log on, sorta gives that away ;-)22:05
JoeWheelerpedro3005, I'll check it out!22:06
pedro3005JoeWheeler, let me bring the bot in22:06
JoeWheelerpedro3005,  cool sure!22:07
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C-Rayhello23:03
pedro3005hey C-Ray23:04
C-Rayhow are u? please i would like to ask u about an issue am facing sometimes. My icons on my desktop are just disappearing without a reason.23:05
C-Rayam running 9.1023:05
C-Raywhy do u think this is happenning sometimes23:05
pedro3005C-Ray, which icons?23:05
C-Raythe shortcut or the icons of the desktop - Ubuntu's desktop23:06
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C-Rayfiles i mean23:06
C-Raythere are there but the desktop will be locked somehow, it will appear empty but still the files are there in the desktop folder23:07
C-Ray*the desktop files i mean ( not there are there)23:07
pedro3005C-Ray, weird23:07
pedro3005never saw that happening23:07
C-Raythey told me at work it may be from my graphic card23:08
C-Rayi don't know23:08
C-Raythe files are there but just sometimes i can't access them from the desktop23:08
C-Rayunless if i reboot23:08
C-Raysome issues with hardware i think23:08
C-Raybut not sure23:08
pedro3005probably not23:09
C-Rayit is didn't happen to me under 9.0423:09
C-Raynor under Fedora23:09
C-Rayor debian23:09
C-Rayit bothered me sometimes23:09
C-Rayunder centos also, i didn't face anything like that23:09
pedro3005C-Ray, can't see why though23:09
pedro3005no error message?23:10
C-Raynothing23:10
C-Rayjust all of sudden they disappear23:10
C-Rayi can still access them through the terminal and the main folder23:10
C-Raybut not through the desktop23:10
C-Rayand even the right click of the mouse will be disabled when that happens23:11
C-Ray:(23:11
pedro3005C-Ray, something wrong with gnome23:11
lukjad86C-Ray I have an idea23:11
C-Raytell me please23:11
C-Ray:)23:12
lukjad86C-Ray There are two ideas. One, is the file called something that begins with a dot, like .funtimes.txt?23:12
C-Rayok23:12
C-Rayand?23:12
lukjad86C-Ray there is a setting in GNOME that allows your desktop not to show the files. I can look that up and we can see what we can do23:12
C-Raythanks for that23:13
C-Ray:)23:13
lukjad86C-Ray would you like me to walk you through it, or would a link to an article be all you need?23:15
C-Raylink is fine man23:15
C-Raythanks23:15
lukjad86http://gaarai.com/2009/01/06/hide-desktop-icons-in-ubuntu/23:15
C-Raythanks23:15
lukjad86C-Ray The directions are there, check to see if the volumes_visible is checked off23:16
lukjad86If it's not, that's your problem :)23:16
bodhi_zazenlukjad86: best way to disable desktop icons - Install fluxbox or openbox =)23:19
lukjad86bodhi_zazen He wants to reenable them though23:19
lukjad86bodhi_zazen But yeah23:20
lukjad86:)23:20
C-Rayactually everything looks up-right there,23:20
C-Raymy problem is different23:20
C-Raythey are always visible but just sometimes they disappear23:20
lukjad86Hm...23:20
C-Raynot the system ones23:20
C-Raybut everything23:20
C-Raythe desktop will be locked23:21
C-Raythen after a reboot or something23:21
C-Raythey will appear again as if nothing has happened23:21
C-Raythe files as i had mentioned are always there23:21
C-Rayand i can still check them from the terminal and the main folder through my home directory23:21
C-Rayin both conditions23:22
lukjad86no idea :(23:22
C-Rayhttp://gaarai.com/2009/01/06/hide-desktop-icons-in-ubuntu/23:22
C-Rayi went through this23:22
C-Rayall of it23:22
C-Rayi know those stuff23:22
C-Rayit is something related with the compatibility of the hardware with ubuntu 9.1023:23
C-Raythat's what they told me23:23
C-Rayat work23:23
C-Raybut not sure23:23
C-Raysince the one who told me is not an expert23:23
C-Rayjust a technician like me23:23
C-Rayso a mate more or less23:23
C-Rayanyway23:24
C-Raygood to ask23:24
C-Rayhehe23:24
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C-Rayplease if i want to post a problem in my webcam where shall i post it?23:25
C-Rayi forgot the link for that23:26
C-Rayubuntu forums?23:26
C-Rayor some other place?23:26
C-Rayi tried to ask about that problem here but no use23:26
C-Raythey just adviced me to post it somewhere23:26
C-Raybut am not able to remember where they told me23:27
C-Rayi think ubuntu forums. though there are other forums that deals with those specific issues23:27
C-Rayno idea23:27
C-Rayany suggestions?23:27
C-Rayplease23:27
pedro3005C-Ray, tried searching for people with similar issues?23:28
C-Ray? what do you mean?23:28
pedro3005C-Ray, googling23:29
C-Rayyeah man, I am not a newbie here23:29
pedro3005C-Ray, nothing?23:29
C-Raynothing23:29
C-Rayi have a chinese webcam23:29
pedro3005what did you search for?23:29
pedro3005ohh23:29
C-Raywhich has no number or anything23:29
pedro3005it's the webcam23:29
C-Rayit was working under 9.0423:29
pedro3005i thought it was the desktop thing23:29
C-Rayno man23:30
C-Rayi changed the topic23:30
C-Raysince that one was a waste of time23:30
pedro3005ah23:30
C-RayI am as a technician for unix systems, am here because i don't like the attitudes of other moderators in other channels23:31
C-Rayi like to ask here as a beginner23:31
C-Ray:)23:31
C-Raysince i am in a way23:32
C-Rayso the problem with my webcam, i post it here last time but no one managed to help me23:32
C-Raythe only thing i received is where to post my problem23:32
C-Rayso yea23:33
C-Ray... ok no probs, thanks anyway... Good bye for now23:34

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