[03:27] <latenite> PabloRubianes, hi there :)
[03:29] <duanedesign> hello latenite
[03:29] <PabloRubianes> Sorry for the mistake... It's 12:28 Am here sleepiness problems :P
[03:29] <PabloRubianes> tell me your problem let see if I can give you a hand
[03:30] <PabloRubianes> yes latenite I am here
[03:30] <latenite> PabloRubianes, thank u already :)
[03:30] <latenite> well log story:
[03:30] <latenite> *long
[03:31] <latenite> I have a fileserver and laptop. I mount dirs from the fileserver via sshfs to my latop
[03:31] <latenite> I have 3 users and 3 groups on the fileserver
[03:32] <latenite> users: kai, mo, trusteduser
[03:32] <latenite> grp: kai, mom, trustesuser
[03:32] <latenite> typo!! users: kai, mom, trusteduser
[03:34] <PabloRubianes> good and the problem is?
[03:34] <latenite> well kai is in the group "trusteduser", mom is not. :
[03:34] <latenite> [11:45:16] [root@fileserver:/home/kai] # grep kai /etc/group
[03:34] <latenite> trusteduser:x:1000:kai
[03:34] <latenite> kai:x:1002:
[03:34] <latenite> [11:45:30] [root@fileserver:/home/kai] #
[03:34] <latenite> [11:45:34] [root@fileserver:/home/kai] # grep mom /etc/group
[03:34] <latenite> mom:x:1001:
[03:34] <latenite> [11:45:47] [root@fileserver:/home/kai] #
[03:35] <latenite> problem is: kai can la -la the dirs he owns
[03:35] <latenite> but mom can not list hers
[03:36] <latenite> all dirs are "group - trusteduser" and are owned my either mom or kai
[03:37] <PabloRubianes> let me see
[03:38] <latenite> see this
[03:38] <latenite> http://pastebin.com/4KmNyKw8
[03:38] <latenite> mom owns "data_mom" but may not list it.
[03:38] <latenite> just like kai owns "data_kai" but he can list ist
[03:39] <latenite> only difference is: kai is n group trusteduser
[03:41] <latenite> Keine Berechtigung is german an means "permission denied"
[03:42] <latenite> PabloRubianes, are u still with me???
[03:42] <PabloRubianes> yes I am thinking
[03:42] <latenite> ohh ok
[03:42] <PabloRubianes> latenite: I am here
[03:43] <duanedesign> wow
[03:43] <latenite> fine..take ur time.....just wanted to know
[03:43] <PabloRubianes> ;-)
[03:43] <PabloRubianes> duanedesign: why wow?
[03:44] <duanedesign> trying to understand
[03:44] <latenite> see the pastebin....it tells the whole story
[03:44] <latenite> mom owns a dir...but cant list it
[03:45] <latenite> issue is simple. but I am lacking a reason why this is so
[03:46] <latenite> do I need to mention that I ssh into the fileserver to do all this?! does that make a difference?
[03:47] <latenite> duanedesign, get it?
[03:48] <duanedesign> latenite: yes
[03:48] <geirha> She doesn't have access to /mnt/data, so she won't have access to anything under it either
[03:49] <geirha> chmod 775 /mnt/data should fix it
[03:49] <latenite> does kai have access to it?
[03:50] <geirha> Yes, sinces the trusteduser group has access
[03:50] <latenite> geirha, ok let me think about that for a minute.
[03:52] <geirha> drwxrwx---  9 trusteduser trusteduser   that's the permissions on /mnt/data. So first it checks, are you user trusteduser? no, ok, are you in the group trusteduser? no, ok, the you are other, which has no permissions. Too bad.
[03:54] <latenite> this way (775) ANYONE could list the content of /mnt/data
[03:54] <latenite> right?
[03:55] <geirha> Yes, but not create or delete files.
[03:55] <latenite> what I want is: that only users mom and kai may list THEIR-OWN dirs.
[03:55] <latenite> but I dont want ANYONE to be able to list what is in /mnt/data
[03:55] <geirha> Then make /mnt/data only accessible by root
[03:56] <latenite> not even kai nor mom
[03:56] <geirha> And mount the dirs it ocntains to the users' homefolders
[03:56] <latenite> kai shall only list /mnt/data/data_kai
[03:56] <geirha> sudo mount --bind /mnt/data/data_kai /home/kai/data
[03:57] <latenite> "Then make /mnt/data only accessible by root"....how?
[03:57] <latenite> chown root:root /mnt/data?
[03:57] <latenite> like this?
[03:58] <latenite> there is no /home/kai nor /home/mom
[03:59] <latenite> I only have the users..but no home dirs to it
[03:59] <geirha> Oh, I see
[03:59] <geirha> Well, you can't have it selectively list files in a directory. It's either all or none
[03:59] <latenite> you said: Then make /mnt/data only accessible by root
[03:59] <latenite> that is what my "trusteduser" was for
[03:59] <latenite> so root is not needed...
[03:59] <geirha> Yes, that's because I assumed you had homedirs you could simply mount the respective directories in
[04:00] <latenite> get my idea?!
[04:00] <catchjaga> Hi, my system always had issues while running Ubuntu from CD. Then I found out after giving boot parameters acpi=off and nodma, it worked perfectly. Now,I am having issues after installing ubuntu to hard drive,some 2-3 minutes after booting the screen shows weired zigzag colors. Hope someone can help.
[04:00] <geirha> Now, what's the harm in anyone listing that dir?
[04:01] <geirha> They'll see data_mom and data_kai, so what, they can't see what's inside them.
[04:01] <latenite> user could see who else has data_USERNAME on my server
[04:01] <latenite> syygame unwanted
[04:01] <latenite> *spygame
[04:02] <latenite> e.g. I dont want mom to see that there is a dir called "data_myexgirlfriend"
[04:02] <geirha> The use more levels I guess
[04:03] <latenite> more levels?...sorry I dont get that
[04:03] <geirha> Or create homedirs and mount only the dirs they should have access to in there
[04:03] <geirha> /mnt/data/trustedusers/data_kai  /mnt/data/notsotrusted/data_mom etc
[04:05] <latenite> this way users in /mnt/data/notsotrusted/ could AGAIN see who else has dirs in there
[04:05] <latenite> that does not make any difference? does it?!
[04:05] <geirha> Then I misunderstood I guess.
[04:06] <latenite> nono I feel like u realy got it
[04:06] <geirha> Though all users are listed in /etc/passwd, which is world readable ... so all usernames are known to all users no matter what.
[04:06] <latenite> but the levels thing..only helps if you ONLY have ONE user in that level
[04:07] <latenite> which would be pretty bad if I get 100 users...I have to add 100 new groups
[04:07] <smeag0l> Hello
[04:07] <catchjaga> any one there for a help?
[04:08] <geirha> If you omit the read bit, you'll have access to it (i.e. you can cd into it), but you cannot list its content.
[04:09] <latenite> sure! but users in passwd are not my issue . my issue ist the name of the dirs that can be listed. e.g. data_exgirlfriend OR data_tortureporn
[04:09] <latenite> get it :)
[04:09] <geirha> Ok, then use the homedir approach.
[04:10] <geirha> Each user gets the directories they have access to mounted in their homedir.
[04:10] <latenite> further problem: the /mnt/data/movies  dir the server holds.
[04:11] <latenite> geirha, actualy a good idea. I will do that for now
[04:13] <latenite> but this way "trusteduser" which is a "data-manager" who should be allowed to rwx all data of all users but root ould not be albe to his job
[04:13] <latenite> right?
[04:13] <latenite> *able
[04:13] <latenite> catchjaga, what s ur question?
[04:14] <catchjaga> Hi, my system always had issues while running Ubuntu from CD. Then I found out after giving boot parameters acpi=off and nodma, it worked perfectly. Now,I am having issues after installing ubuntu to hard drive,some 2-3 minutes after booting the screen shows weired zigzag colors. Hope someone can help.
[04:15] <geirha> latenite: Huh? root as full access
[04:16] <latenite> wrong gramma on the sentence. sorry. I ment user - trusteduser can not access /home/USERNAME this way
[04:18] <latenite> catchjaga, what s ur xorg.conf? pastebin
[04:18] <geirha> That depends on the permissions you set on /home/USERNAME of course, but setting it 700 and owned by the user, then only the user himself and root has access.
[04:19] <latenite> oh and if I set it 0740 and make it group trusteduser
[04:19] <catchjaga> sorry for my ignrance,how do I check that?
[04:19] <latenite> than trusteduser should be albe to read it
[04:20] <latenite> canthus13, wgetpaste | /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:21] <canthus13> latenite: Eh?
[04:21] <latenite> just copy paste that as root. so we can see ur xorg.conf
[04:21] <geirha> latenite: Read, yes, but not enter it
[04:22] <latenite> so no recurive looki looki?
[04:22] <latenite> *recursive
[04:22] <catchjaga> k.. brb
[04:23] <geirha> latenite: Indeed. Easy to test you know.
[04:24] <latenite> *g sure :)
[04:25] <geirha> mkdir -p /tmp/dir/data_foo/secret; chmod 740 /tmp/dir; sudo chown root /tmp/dir; ls /tmp/dir /tmp/dir/data_foo
[04:25] <latenite> that is not what I want. I need trusteduser (admin) to handle all files of all users..but trusteduser may not be root
[04:26] <geirha> Just let trusteduser have access to /mnt/data then
[04:27] <latenite> that works perfectly
[04:27] <latenite> thank you.
[04:31] <latenite> catchjaga, ???
[07:44] <catchjaga> Hi
[07:46] <catchjaga> I have an issue after installing ubuntu 9.10 on my pc. After booting up the screen just shows weird colors. Also while installing from live cd, I used acpi=off and nodma boot parameter to load properly, else I had the same issue.
[07:47] <catchjaga> anyone ther for help?
[07:52] <catchjaga> any one ther to help?
[07:59] <leoquant> catchjaga yes
[08:00] <catchjaga> I have an issue after installing ubuntu 9.10 on my pc. After booting up the screen just shows weird colors. Also while installing from live cd, I used acpi=off and nodma boot parameter to load properly, else I had the same issue.
[08:05] <leoquant> catchjaga  you did an upgrade or a clean install?
[08:05] <catchjaga> leoquant: u ther?
[08:05] <catchjaga> I did a clean install
[08:06] <leoquant> catchjaga if your live cd errors, it probably means your hardware errors
[08:06] <leoquant> so your hardware is having trouble with ubuntu 9.10
[08:07] <catchjaga> I used the same cd for installing in my laptop, which worked perfectly
[08:07] <leoquant> so you had no problems while installing?
[08:07] <catchjaga> looks like it.. but I was able to run from live cd with boot parameters acpi=off and nodma
[08:08] <catchjaga> no.. I didnt had any problems while installing..
[08:09] <catchjaga> I tried adding boot parameters by editing from grub menu..
[08:09] <leoquant> this is very ambiguous....is it X, or hardware related....
[08:09] <leoquant> catchjaga you did well doing these things
[08:10] <catchjaga> bbut looks like nodma is not available from grub boot menu
[08:10] <leoquant> moment is ask for some help ok?
[08:12] <catchjaga> ?
[08:12] <leoquant> catchjaga i asked for help, please wait a moment
[08:12] <catchjaga> ok
[08:13] <leoquant> catchjaga you did not get an option safe graphics mode?
[08:14] <catchjaga> I just get option for recovery mode.. and for memtest
[08:15] <leoquant> you did the memtest catchjaga ?
[08:15] <catchjaga> no
[08:16] <leoquant> wouldn 't it be wise to do so?
[08:16] <leoquant> if possible...
[08:18] <catchjaga> leoquant: I will try that now
[08:18] <leoquant> ok
[09:08] <catchjaga> leoquant: Im logging off now.. memtest is not yet cmplete..
[09:10] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[09:13] <talsemgeest> Heya Silver_Fox_ :)
[09:14] <Silver_Fox_> Hello
[11:52] <ZachK_> What up y'all.....
[17:16] <User45> can anyone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/uq6bg4J2
[17:16] <User45> im currently using a vps and command line
[17:17] <User45> i recently upgraded to karmic from jaunty :/
[17:19] <Silver_Fox_> Hello switchgirl =]
[17:20] <User45> can anyone help?
[17:20] <switchgirl> hoi
[17:21] <Silver_Fox_> Hello User45
[17:22] <User45> hi
[17:22] <Silver_Fox_> User45,  pastebin the output of "sudo mountall --debug"
[17:23] <Silver_Fox_> How are you switchgirl  ?
[17:25] <stef1> trying to mount from a server called NAS, I can browse to it using nautilus like smb://nas/ but $ sudo mount smb:/nas/backup /mnt/backup failes DNS resolution failed for smb: no address assiciated with hostname
[17:26] <User45> http://pastebin.com/dTVR9h7k
[17:28] <Silver_Fox_> This looks like bug 447747:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/447747
[17:30] <User45> the thing is, i dont have grub
[17:45] <catchjaga> hi
[17:46] <celthunder> hi
[17:47] <catchjaga> Im having issue with ubuntu after installing to hard drive. After booting up I am able to access desktop normally. After some 2 minutes the screen crashes and shows weird colors. Even while installing I used acpi=off and nodma boot parameters.
[17:54] <catchjaga> any help?
[18:07] <catchjaga> celthunder: can you help?
[18:07] <celthunder> not really..
[18:07] <celthunder> sorry
[18:09] <catchjaga> celthunder: thanks
[18:44] <hobgoblin> hey swoody
[18:45] <swoody> hello hobgoblin :)
[18:45] <lukjad86> Hey there swoody !
[18:46] <swoody> heya lukjad86 :)
[21:31] <JoeWheeler> Hi guys, how do i join the ubuntu beginners team?
[21:32] <pedro3005> hello JoeWheeler
[21:33] <JoeWheeler> Hi
[21:33] <JoeWheeler> I signed up on the wiki and put my name on the list, is that all i have to do?
[21:34] <lukjad86> JoeWheeler No, there is more
[21:34] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, yes, you have to go through a mentoring process
[21:34] <lukjad86> JoeWheeler You need to pass a membership test and take a period of training first
[21:34] <pedro3005> and do various things as set up a wiki page, launchpad account, sign the code of conduct, join the mailing list et cetera
[21:35] <pedro3005> and there's a voting to see if you get in
[21:35] <pedro3005> people usually do though
[21:35] <pedro3005> it's not strict
[21:35] <lukjad86> And the process may change in the future
[21:35]  * pedro3005 sighs
[21:35] <JoeWheeler> OK, I've done all that so now I guess i just wait for a mentor? Will i be emailed when assigned one?
[21:36] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, you will probably be contacted by him/her self
[21:36] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, also, hang around in the channels so people get to know you
[21:37] <JoeWheeler> Ok, also I want to join the beginners dev team, do I need to be in the main beginners team first?
[21:39] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, they have their own selection process, but I think so
[21:39] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, what languages do you know?
[21:43] <JoeWheeler> am OK at Java(in a 4 year course using it at uni at the moment) and VB(used it for my A-levels) learning python and C++
[21:44] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, cool. i'm learning python too
[21:46] <JoeWheeler> Yeh, I've only just started, I did programming challenge 10 in it, it seems like quite a nice language
[21:46] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, it's also my first language
[21:47] <pedro3005> it's tough
[21:47] <JoeWheeler> Pedro, cool! are you planning to learn any others?
[21:48] <phillw> adds JoeWheeler to buddy list <-- just about to start learning Java
[21:48] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, yes, in fact
[21:48] <JoeWheeler> Pedro2005, cool what?
[21:48] <JoeWheeler> Pedro3005 I mean
[21:49] <pedro_> crappy internet
[21:49] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, I have a friend in college and he promised to introduce me to programming micro-controllers with C. should be fun
[21:51] <JoeWheeler> pedro3005, wow that sounds really cool! I'm hoping to do a robotics course next year I'm really interested to learn how to actually interact with the hardware
[21:52] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, yes, yes. though, as it seems to me now, i'll most likely do CS in college... or physics, perhaps
[21:55] <JoeWheeler> pedro3005,  I enjoyed my CS college course, it's a useful thing to have a qualification in, I looked at the stats for my uni and apparently 95% of CS grads manage to find a job in the first year after graduating
[21:55] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, that is cool
[21:56] <JoeWheeler> pedro3005, how far have you got with your python programming then?
[21:57] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, not too far. about up to classes, sockets.. i've made a simple irc bot
[21:59] <JoeWheeler> pedro3005, sounds cool are you using a tutorial or something?
[21:59] <phillw> JoeWheeler: pedro3005 has made a filthy mouthed irc bot - lol
[21:59] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, I generally check out the python docs tutorial, but I'm not really following anything strictly
[21:59] <pedro3005> phillw, ! lies!
[22:00] <phillw> JoeWheeler: ask pedro3005to invite you to see his ircbot at work :-D
[22:00] <pedro3005> phillw, and remember I re-coded the entire thing?
[22:01] <phillw> pedro3005: ah, yes, but the topic title still remains - lol
[22:01] <pedro3005> so most stuff that it used to have aren't present in this new version. can't see what you mean by filthy mouthed though
[22:01] <pedro3005> phillw, oooh
[22:01] <pedro3005> the !piss command
[22:01] <pedro3005> that
[22:02] <pedro3005> phillw, that's from way back when it still was an eggdrop
[22:03] <JoeWheeler> phillw, hehe sounds like fun!
[22:03] <JoeWheeler> phillw, the foul mouthed chat-bot that is
[22:03] <phillw> it's not my irc channel to invite you into, pedro3005 may be able to
[22:04] <pedro3005> it isn't restricted
[22:04] <pedro3005> anyone can join ##devil .. it's not mine either
[22:04] <phillw> I know, it's mohi1's
[22:04] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, just be careful around there. we're not exactly family-friendly
[22:05] <phillw> pedro3005: I think the topic when you log on, sorta gives that away ;-)
[22:06] <JoeWheeler> pedro3005, I'll check it out!
[22:06] <pedro3005> JoeWheeler, let me bring the bot in
[22:07] <JoeWheeler> pedro3005,  cool sure!
[23:03] <C-Ray> hello
[23:04] <pedro3005> hey C-Ray
[23:05] <C-Ray> how are u? please i would like to ask u about an issue am facing sometimes. My icons on my desktop are just disappearing without a reason.
[23:05] <C-Ray> am running 9.10
[23:05] <C-Ray> why do u think this is happenning sometimes
[23:05] <pedro3005> C-Ray, which icons?
[23:06] <C-Ray> the shortcut or the icons of the desktop - Ubuntu's desktop
[23:06] <C-Ray> files i mean
[23:07] <C-Ray> there are there but the desktop will be locked somehow, it will appear empty but still the files are there in the desktop folder
[23:07] <C-Ray> *the desktop files i mean ( not there are there)
[23:07] <pedro3005> C-Ray, weird
[23:07] <pedro3005> never saw that happening
[23:08] <C-Ray> they told me at work it may be from my graphic card
[23:08] <C-Ray> i don't know
[23:08] <C-Ray> the files are there but just sometimes i can't access them from the desktop
[23:08] <C-Ray> unless if i reboot
[23:08] <C-Ray> some issues with hardware i think
[23:08] <C-Ray> but not sure
[23:09] <pedro3005> probably not
[23:09] <C-Ray> it is didn't happen to me under 9.04
[23:09] <C-Ray> nor under Fedora
[23:09] <C-Ray> or debian
[23:09] <C-Ray> it bothered me sometimes
[23:09] <C-Ray> under centos also, i didn't face anything like that
[23:09] <pedro3005> C-Ray, can't see why though
[23:10] <pedro3005> no error message?
[23:10] <C-Ray> nothing
[23:10] <C-Ray> just all of sudden they disappear
[23:10] <C-Ray> i can still access them through the terminal and the main folder
[23:10] <C-Ray> but not through the desktop
[23:11] <C-Ray> and even the right click of the mouse will be disabled when that happens
[23:11] <C-Ray> :(
[23:11] <pedro3005> C-Ray, something wrong with gnome
[23:11] <lukjad86> C-Ray I have an idea
[23:11] <C-Ray> tell me please
[23:12] <C-Ray> :)
[23:12] <lukjad86> C-Ray There are two ideas. One, is the file called something that begins with a dot, like .funtimes.txt?
[23:12] <C-Ray> ok
[23:12] <C-Ray> and?
[23:12] <lukjad86> C-Ray there is a setting in GNOME that allows your desktop not to show the files. I can look that up and we can see what we can do
[23:13] <C-Ray> thanks for that
[23:13] <C-Ray> :)
[23:15] <lukjad86> C-Ray would you like me to walk you through it, or would a link to an article be all you need?
[23:15] <C-Ray> link is fine man
[23:15] <C-Ray> thanks
[23:15] <lukjad86> http://gaarai.com/2009/01/06/hide-desktop-icons-in-ubuntu/
[23:15] <C-Ray> thanks
[23:16] <lukjad86> C-Ray The directions are there, check to see if the volumes_visible is checked off
[23:16] <lukjad86> If it's not, that's your problem :)
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> lukjad86: best way to disable desktop icons - Install fluxbox or openbox =)
[23:19] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen He wants to reenable them though
[23:20] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen But yeah
[23:20] <lukjad86> :)
[23:20] <C-Ray> actually everything looks up-right there,
[23:20] <C-Ray> my problem is different
[23:20] <C-Ray> they are always visible but just sometimes they disappear
[23:20] <lukjad86> Hm...
[23:20] <C-Ray> not the system ones
[23:20] <C-Ray> but everything
[23:21] <C-Ray> the desktop will be locked
[23:21] <C-Ray> then after a reboot or something
[23:21] <C-Ray> they will appear again as if nothing has happened
[23:21] <C-Ray> the files as i had mentioned are always there
[23:21] <C-Ray> and i can still check them from the terminal and the main folder through my home directory
[23:22] <C-Ray> in both conditions
[23:22] <lukjad86> no idea :(
[23:22] <C-Ray> http://gaarai.com/2009/01/06/hide-desktop-icons-in-ubuntu/
[23:22] <C-Ray> i went through this
[23:22] <C-Ray> all of it
[23:22] <C-Ray> i know those stuff
[23:23] <C-Ray> it is something related with the compatibility of the hardware with ubuntu 9.10
[23:23] <C-Ray> that's what they told me
[23:23] <C-Ray> at work
[23:23] <C-Ray> but not sure
[23:23] <C-Ray> since the one who told me is not an expert
[23:23] <C-Ray> just a technician like me
[23:23] <C-Ray> so a mate more or less
[23:24] <C-Ray> anyway
[23:24] <C-Ray> good to ask
[23:24] <C-Ray> hehe
[23:25] <C-Ray> please if i want to post a problem in my webcam where shall i post it?
[23:26] <C-Ray> i forgot the link for that
[23:26] <C-Ray> ubuntu forums?
[23:26] <C-Ray> or some other place?
[23:26] <C-Ray> i tried to ask about that problem here but no use
[23:26] <C-Ray> they just adviced me to post it somewhere
[23:27] <C-Ray> but am not able to remember where they told me
[23:27] <C-Ray> i think ubuntu forums. though there are other forums that deals with those specific issues
[23:27] <C-Ray> no idea
[23:27] <C-Ray> any suggestions?
[23:27] <C-Ray> please
[23:28] <pedro3005> C-Ray, tried searching for people with similar issues?
[23:28] <C-Ray> ? what do you mean?
[23:29] <pedro3005> C-Ray, googling
[23:29] <C-Ray> yeah man, I am not a newbie here
[23:29] <pedro3005> C-Ray, nothing?
[23:29] <C-Ray> nothing
[23:29] <C-Ray> i have a chinese webcam
[23:29] <pedro3005> what did you search for?
[23:29] <pedro3005> ohh
[23:29] <C-Ray> which has no number or anything
[23:29] <pedro3005> it's the webcam
[23:29] <C-Ray> it was working under 9.04
[23:29] <pedro3005> i thought it was the desktop thing
[23:30] <C-Ray> no man
[23:30] <C-Ray> i changed the topic
[23:30] <C-Ray> since that one was a waste of time
[23:30] <pedro3005> ah
[23:31] <C-Ray> I am as a technician for unix systems, am here because i don't like the attitudes of other moderators in other channels
[23:31] <C-Ray> i like to ask here as a beginner
[23:31] <C-Ray> :)
[23:32] <C-Ray> since i am in a way
[23:32] <C-Ray> so the problem with my webcam, i post it here last time but no one managed to help me
[23:32] <C-Ray> the only thing i received is where to post my problem
[23:33] <C-Ray> so yea
[23:34] <C-Ray> ... ok no probs, thanks anyway... Good bye for now