[00:00] would love* [00:00] rickspencer3, that might be xul 1.9.2 breakage (assuming it worked previously) [00:00] chrisccoulson, well, there is a copy command, I can only assume that it is supposed to work [00:00] I'm logging a bug now, I'll bet it's been reported [00:01] does anyone have surround sound on a laptop? There's a significant pulse bug that confounds me because I lack local hw. [00:02] rickspencer3, that's strange. i'm able to copy from yelp here :-/ [00:02] suckage [00:03] chrisccoulson, is there any chance the docbook xml in some way commands yelp to not support copy? [00:03] rickspencer3, i'm not sure about that, but i can probably find out. are there any pages in particular you have problems with? [00:04] chrisccoulson, well, the tutorial that I am working on for the quickly ubuntu-application [00:04] if lp ever comes back from attaching all the stuff, I'll make sure the document is attached [00:04] thanks [00:05] chrisccoulson, heh [00:05] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/9506 [00:05] Ubuntu bug 9506 in yelp "can not copy text from the help file to another app like xchat" [Medium,Invalid] [00:05] check out the date [00:05] Woah! A four digit bug! [00:06] lol [00:06] i don't think i've ever seen one of them before [00:07] I notice seb128 is the one who closed it out [00:08] chrisccoulson, is there anyway it could be because of how I am running it? [00:08] yelp my_file_path [00:08] ? [00:09] i'm not sure. i'll try that here on a file and see if it makes a difference [00:09] oops [00:10] doesn't work from other programs [00:10] oh the humanity [00:11] chrisccoulson, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/540613 [00:11] Ubuntu bug 540613 in yelp "Cannot copy text for a docbook" [Undecided,New] [00:11] don't know you can do with it [00:12] for Lucid + 1 I am going to use mechanical turk to test and take screenshots for the quickly tutorials ;) [00:13] hmmm, i don't have any issues with copying whichever way i launch it [00:13] does it fail from a guest session too? [00:14] excellent question [00:14] * rickspencer3 tries [00:16] chrisccoulson, it also does not work in a guest session [00:18] hmmm, strange. i will have to re-educate myself so i know how the clipboard is meant to work, and then i will think of something else to try [00:21] chrisccoulson, first, perhaps it is a known issue upstream? [00:23] i've not managed to find any upstream bugs just yet [00:28] seb128, I'm hitting a bug which you cruelly closed: [00:28] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/9506 [00:28] Ubuntu bug 9506 in yelp "can not copy text from the help file to another app like xchat" [Medium,Invalid] [00:28] rickspencer3, did I? [00:29] seb128, look at the # [00:29] you closed it in 2004 [00:29] lol [00:29] are you still running warty? ;-) [00:29] I opted to open a new one [00:29] seb128, I was, but I didn't log that bug [00:29] I'm just weirdly having the issue described there now on Lucid [00:30] starting yelp is ridiculisly slow [00:30] seb128, I noticed [00:30] fun when you are writing a tutorial too! [00:30] rickspencer3, wfm [00:30] I know, it only doesn't work for me I guess :/ [00:30] selecting and middle click [00:30] tried it [00:30] ctrl-C, ctrl-V [00:30] and menu option [00:30] tried it [00:30] tried it [00:31] :) [00:31] does copy work with other applications? [00:31] seb128, yes [00:31] oops [00:31] like from firefox to where you tried to copy [00:31] called by swmbo [00:31] back later! [00:31] see you [00:31] hello all, over the weekend, the guys from #ubuntu-bugs said i should mention here that gtkmm needs to be updated for lucid... the current version has a pretty nasty bug... [00:31] i didn't think this sounded like the right channel... but i'll do as i was instructed :) [00:31] ekilfoil, it's on our todolist yes [00:32] seb128: perfect thanks [00:32] cf topic for table of versions and what needs to be updated === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [01:55] RAOF, I'm working on screenshots for the quickly ubuntu-application tutorial [01:55] it's made slightly less tedious by being able to easily edit in f-sport [01:55] which is a recent replacement for f-spot, made for poor typists [01:56] :) [01:56] It'll be slightly less tedious again when f-spot 0.6.1.5-2ubuntu5 is built & published. [01:58] RAOF, curious, what's the change? [01:58] A couple of memory-leak fixes, it will notice when new images appear in the directory you're viewing, and editing won't destroy the orientation information. [01:59] Oh, and a long-time bug about messing around with the timestamps on import is fixed. [01:59] RAOF, you fixed the time stamp bug? [02:00] Not completely. [02:00] It won't write out incorrect timestamps to the photos you import, though. [02:00] Which seemed to be the most obnoxious part of that bug. [02:01] mmm [02:01] that's a change indeed [02:01] And was much easier than buying a couple of cameras with timezone information & working out where it's stored in the images & fixing the timezone bug :) [02:02] that sounds horrible, indeed [02:05] The orientation bug was the most important fix in there, though. It was quite weird to do an edit on a jpeg with orientation info and have the image rotate by 90 degrees! [02:07] yeah, that sounds suboptimal [02:08] Incidentally, if you ever get a chance to see The Cat Empire live, do so. They're awesome live. [02:09] This is a public service announcement brought to you by /The Wine Song/ [02:10] really [02:10] RAOF, link? [02:10] * rickspencer3 dons head phones [02:11] http://www.last.fm/music/The+Cat+Empire/The+Cat+Empire [02:12] Hm. Can I chase up a better link... [02:21] heh [02:21] myspace? [02:22] only 1 song on myspace? [02:22] www.thecatempire.com is their official site, but there be no wine song available there. [02:22] note even [02:22] you tube it is, then [02:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgkHd6eBfoE [02:24] Yeah, that'll do it. [02:24] Hurray for youtube. [02:24] And questionable copyright :/ [02:25] RAOF, sounds like a non-joke tim minchin [02:26] good, would for sure go see them [02:27] They are made of barely contained energy live; at least, they have been every time I've seen them :) [02:27] maybe I better arrange to be in Amsterdam on Oct 14th [02:27] uh, 14th [02:27] dang it [02:28] 13th [02:28] :) [02:29] now the question is, do I go on to do more tutorial fix up, or do I go have a life? [02:29] I shall choose the life option ;) [02:29] by RAOF - thanks for the tip, btw [02:29] It's gotta be pretty late there. Life! [02:29] hope they have some in the music store [02:30] well, quickly stuff I do in my "community time" [06:55] Good morning [06:58] good morning pitti [06:58] * didrocks backlog a little before going to Solution Linux [06:59] didrocks: bonjour! [06:59] didrocks: oh, you go to a conference today? [06:59] pitti: the last 3 days, it's a French Solution Event and there is a Canonical booth [07:00] hence the fact I'm not really online those 3 days :) [07:07] * didrocks hurry and waves goodbye, will be online later in the afternoon. [08:05] hello [08:43] hello all [08:52] hey ara [08:52] good morning [08:55] bonjour seb128 [08:56] hey pitti [08:56] how are you? [08:58] good, thanks! [08:58] doing some test installs, upgrading my wife's machine, and fixing some bugs [08:58] and fiddling with the retracers.. [08:59] sounds like a busy morning ;-) [08:59] let's see how daily isos go [08:59] * seb128 rsync [09:00] I upgraded my parents' machine yesterday and reinstalled the mini [09:00] and upgraded my desktop which was still on karmic the day before [09:00] things went mostly smoothly [09:00] mvo, hello [09:00] didrocks, is the gnome-screenshot icon been removed from the default UNE install for some good reason? [09:01] btw, I tried to install a laptop using a lucid daily image 2 days ago and it was making the laptop reboot when booting on it [09:01] hey seb128 [09:01] mvo, so apt for some reason decided archive.ubuntu.com was untrusted, not really a pleasant experience in s-c [09:01] hm, I guess in this case it should just offer a reload [09:01] it displays what looks like a synaptic dialog with a textview widget listed the packages to install [09:01] with only a ok button [09:01] and without explanation [09:01] and clicking ok send me back to s-c [09:02] do you want a bug about this? [09:02] seb128: please [09:02] mvo, ok ;-) [09:03] mvo, did I tell you how much s-c rock otherwise? ;-) [09:03] mvo, I find the new login screen with the featured app category showed in this special way very slick [09:03] much nicer than a boring grid only [09:03] it gives some shiny look to the dialog [09:03] seb128: cool, I'm happy to hear that [09:04] I also like the grid btw, it's correctly aligned now with nice icons [09:04] I just need to find how to translate categories now :p [09:04] yeah, it's a real pleasure to the eyes! [09:04] * pitti hugs mvo [09:05] ara, didrocks is away for solution linux still today [09:05] * pitti hugs mpt, too [09:05] seb128, thanks [09:05] sigh, why was the calculator made so useless ? [09:06] * ogra used to mainly use it for hex/dec value conversion, with the missing ability to change the modes easily on the fly i cant use it anymore that way [09:08] was that an upstream change or ours ? [09:08] does it look like we do distro change the calculator? [09:09] well, robert_ancell is upstream and work for us [09:09] heh [09:09] so I will let you decide :p [09:09] so the line is blurry :) [09:09] but it has been done upstream [09:10] ogra ++ [09:10] I can't figure out how to change the mode any more [09:10] i wouldnt mind to have the settings window sitting aside as long as the main win would actually change the values [09:10] pitti, it moved to the settings [09:10] oh [09:11] but it only changes the behavior on next operation not for the currently typed in value [09:11] I resorted to python [09:11] >>> hex(1234) [09:11] '0x4d2' [09:11] yeah, i meight either do that too or look for a dedicated ui tool [09:12] printf in chell is good for that too ... but using the calculator was far more conveninent [09:12] *shell [09:33] pitti: how is the upgrade going? [09:35] I'll walk over and look again [09:36] mvo: ah, good call, it was stuck on a dpkg conffile question for /etc/gnome/defaults.lists [09:38] * pitti files bug [09:39] and network-manager died during the upgrade, leaving it networkless :/ [09:39] pitti, ENOSUCHFILE? [09:39] pitti, is that only nm-applet exiting on icon not found issue? [09:41] ah, not network-less, just avahi-less [09:41] seb128: it's in desktop-file-utils [09:41] seb128: s/lists/list/, sorry [09:42] pitti, it's installed in /usr/share/applications not etc [09:42] oh it's the other way around [09:42] ignore me [09:43] pitti, from what are you updating? [09:43] seb128: I filed it as bug 540787 [09:43] Launchpad bug 540787 in desktop-file-utils "got dpkg conffile question on karmic->lucid beta-1 upgrade for /etc/gnome/defaults.list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540787 [09:43] weird [09:43] I upgraded 2 boxes from karmic to lucid this week [09:43] tseliot: I just got a very strange conffile question on upgrade; u-n showed an empty diff [09:43] and got that one none of those [09:43] /usr/bin/diff: /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms: No such file or directory [09:43] /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms.dpkg-new exists [09:43] tseliot: ^ did you see that one? [09:43] pitti, "-application/pdf=AdobeReader.desktop" [09:44] seb128: well, those are older installations from hardy or so [09:44] pitti, we never had AdobeReader in the distro [09:44] I'm pretty sure that has never been in Ubuntu in this way [09:44] seb128: argh, ok; then it's that silly adobe reader which does it [09:44] * pitti closes, sorry [09:44] np [09:45] reassign against the -partner adcorread maybe? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:49] mvo: I'm not even sure it was a deb [09:49] mvo: she probably installed it from their website [09:50] pitti: maybe dkms removed the hook for the kernel headers? [09:50] * tseliot checks the bug report [09:51] * mvo nods [09:51] tseliot: I didn't file it/search for an existing one yet (I'm about to) [09:52] pitti: yes, I've realised that 540787 is not what I'm looking for ;) [09:52] mvo, bug #540790 [09:52] Launchpad bug 540790 in software-center "handling of untrusted sources is suboptimal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540790 [09:53] morning james_w and mvo [09:54] hey glatzor! [09:54] mvo, how are you? [09:54] seb128: thanks [09:54] glatzor: good! how are you? [09:54] hello seb128 ! [09:54] mvo, one day off from work! Yeah! [09:54] hey glatzor, how are you? [09:54] nice :) [09:54] indeed [09:54] and ready for hacking? [09:54] seb128, fine. thanks. and yourself? [09:55] mvo, right, until angi wakes up :) [09:55] glatzor, quite good, thanks! [09:55] mvo, james_w: have you looked at my fix for the debconf race? [09:55] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/aptdaemon/fix-455861/+merge/21344 [09:56] pitti, so I don't manage to get my samsung yp-u3 mtp player listed in rhythmbox in lucid [09:58] glatzor: I had a brief look, its tricky stuff. my feeling is that the problem is that on "stop()" we need to make sure we flushed out all data [10:00] glatzor: it looks like you ensure hangup is run, but not that the data is all flushed into both directions. but let me look at the code again [10:02] glatzor: the processing was added as a fix for #432607 [10:07] glatzor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/397146/ <- something like this [10:08] mvo: hi.. list of new icons for SC categories > http://paste.ubuntu.com/397147/ the humanity update hasnt been done yet , will be done once beta freeze is over [10:08] categories icons* [10:09] * seb128 kicks rsync again [10:09] we have like 3 updates between isos and it's downloading for ages [10:10] so we should only call hangup in the stop method? [10:12] vish: cool [10:14] mvo, and we could raise the priority of the copy callbacks to HIGH so it should be processed before the finished signal from the transaction (which will trigger the stop method) [10:14] glatzor: hm, maybe. another idea is to allow multiple _active_conn so that we just don#t care [10:16] glatzor: hm, doing that would still leave a race when we explicitely call stop() on the socket, no? [10:16] glatzor: what do you dislike about the patch from james? [10:17] mvo, could be a problem that we call hangup explicity on an IO_HUP|IO_ERR event on the stdout [10:17] glatzor: if we alllow multiple active_con we should just mark the connection pending_stop or something in stop() and wait for the normal hangup [10:18] glatzor: right, I think that is true and hopefully not needed (gio should handle this) [10:18] glatzor: I wonder how we can write test code for this [10:21] glatzor: hm, nevermind, that would not work because debconf will not alllow multiple instances [10:22] glatzor: so it needs to be sequential with just one active connection and one debconf-communicate [10:23] mvo: there's two things during the upgrade [10:24] mvo: first, u-m spits out tons of "undefined @1: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: progress" -> is that something to worry about? [10:24] seb128: is that an MTP one/ or just block device? [10:25] pitti: known, nothing to worry. it can display a slideshow now [10:26] pitti: but we don't have one yet, so the triggered "progress()" JS calls are void, I will fix for beta-2 [10:26] mvo: the other issue was that the upgrade removed linux-headers-* for the running kernel [10:26] otherwise it went through just great [10:26] pitti, mtp I think [10:26] seb128: my wife's U5 can do both [10:26] seb128: please feel free to open a bug (apport-bug storage will do again) [10:27] seb128: I'm now done with upgrade/install testing, I'll get back my attention to bugs [10:27] pitti: linux-headers-* > oh? could you plesae mail me the log? it should not do this, there is code that should prevent it [10:27] pitti: main.log is enough for this [10:27] seb128: I don't have the U5 right here (my wife took it to uni), but I'll get it again this afternoon [10:27] mvo: want a bug, or PM? [10:27] pitti, ok [10:28] glatzor: I commented, maybe james_w also has some inside. I hope it makes sense, I'm notoriously bad at debugging races [10:28] pitti: either is fine [10:28] but free ati driver + KMS + simple-scan -> lucid rocking on that box [10:29] mvo, james_w's patch is perhaps fine in fixing the bug, but I have got the feeling that we just add another workaround on top of other workarounds without addressing the core problem [10:32] glatzor: right, it makes everything more complicated, that is for sure. [10:32] mvo: bug 540823 [10:33] Launchpad bug 540823 in update-manager "karmic->lucid beta-1: Removes linux-headers-* for running kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540823 [10:33] glatzor: so, lets see. one idea might be to simple not close the socket on stop [10:34] glatzor: and close it later, when _hangup is called, this assumes that all the io events arrive in order, i.e. that the active socket connection is closed before a new thing tries to connect [10:35] glatzor: but I'm not sure that this is valid and if not we need something to syncronize again (e.g. by delaying until socket is fnished in accept connection) [10:35] pitti: thanks, I have a look [10:38] pitti: hm, odd. looks like for some reason the check is failing [10:40] mvo: it's not really a critical bug, more like another line of defense if things go wrong [10:40] mvo: thanks! [10:49] seb128: same icon problem with my G1, so I can reproduce it now [10:49] pitti, \o/ [10:53] hm, the auto-upgrader tester reports plymouth fails to terminate on shutdown, I guess that is known [10:53] I get that often too [10:53] mvo: hm, it's not really supposed to [10:53] mvo: oh, that, right; known bug [10:53] dunno if pittit's hook is too picky or if that's a bug [10:53] pitti's [10:53] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/2010-03-18-09:47:04/ubuntu/_sbin_plymouthd.0.crash [10:53] mvo: bug 537262 FYI [10:53] Launchpad bug 537262 in plymouth "plymouth pid missing from OMITPIDS and terminated by sendsigs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537262 [10:53] aha, this one [11:02] seb128: hah, that was easy; fixed in gdu 2.30 :) [11:02] pitti, nice! [11:03] pitti, there is tons of bugs fix blocked by freeze, lucid feel old and outdated [11:03] Volume(0): PITTIG1 [11:03] themed icons: [multimedia-player] [multimedia] [11:03] * seb128 looked at your udisks fixes too yesterday [11:03] seb128: look at my +assignedbugs page, the "fix committed" ones ;) [11:03] but it's only beta-1 [11:03] oh, so you meant it [11:04] really trying to catch up with me? ;-) [11:04] people want to get bug fixes after beta-1, too! [11:04] * seb128 goes to close some extra bugs [11:04] * pitti throws the gauntlet [11:04] * seb128 hugs pitti ;-) [11:04] seb128: well, with those lucid targetted bugs, every bug will appear twice in the lists, of course [11:04] * pitti hugs seb128, go, go, go! [11:06] seb128: if you fancy trying it, grab gdu from sid and build/install locally [11:06] joke aside I'm really looking forward unfreeze now [11:06] yes, so do I [11:06] pitti, can't I just grab the deb and dpkg -i it? [11:06] seb128: at least having an unapproved queue makes it easier to stash things [11:06] upload & forget [11:06] seb128: hm, I don't know; it's built for sid; but you can try [11:06] * seb128 tries that [11:06] seb128: if you have amd64 you can have my debs [11:06] no, i386 [11:07] well, do I need to restart my session? [11:07] seb128: I just killed gvfs [11:07] kill `ps ux|grep gvfs | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'` [11:07] then gvfs-mount -li [11:07] and voila [11:07] ok [11:07] (the -li will trigger it again) [11:18] ara: (from solution linux, so, not really available): yes, we did that and for some more icons in the une session. The gnome session available in gdm isn't impacted normally [11:18] seb128: salut :) [11:19] didrocks, ok, thanks [11:19] didrocks, lut [11:23] pitti, themed icons: [multimedia-player-ipod-white] [multimedia-player-ipod] [multimedia-player] [multimedia] [11:23] pitti, \o/ [11:23] rocking [11:28] pitti: whats the equiv of langpack.mk for dh7? [11:28] or is there none? [11:28] asac, none [11:28] asac: "to be written" :/ [11:29] wow ... and there ar e really folks teaching dh7 ;) [11:47] Keybuk: I'm assuming that the squarer 4 dotted version of plymouth is the text version? [11:52] seb128: hm, any idea where the keyboard layout applet went to? I can't seem to find it in the aplet list [11:52] pitti, it's a a notification area icon now [11:53] pitti, remember you complaining about it being an indicator without the label in gnome-panel [11:53] argh, again? [11:53] pitti, not "again", "still" [11:53] I see [11:53] pitti, well it should work as you want [11:53] right, sorry [11:53] pitti, it's automatically there when nlayout > 1 [11:53] g-s-d takes care of it [11:53] seb128: ah, ok; I was pretty sure I saw it in the applet list in the past [11:53] pitti, yes, it was an applet in karmic [11:54] seb128: I just added an new layout and it doesn't happen immediately [11:54] it has been converted to a anotification area this cycle [11:54] * pitti restarts session [11:55] seb128: ah, nevermind; it's there, but it's black on almost-black [11:56] theme bug [11:56] seb128: you see the icon missing bug for nm-applet? [11:56] pitti, no, g-s-d bug, fixing in git [11:56] are you doing upgrade tests at all? [11:56] or rather libgnomekbd [11:56] asac, yes, I got it on 2 of the 2 machines I updated [11:56] asac, " are you doing upgrade tests at all?" [11:56] seb128: did you figure which icon it was? mvo already added one so we probably miss another [11:56] seb128 - do you recall what the icon mae was? [11:56] seb128: perfect [11:56] ah [11:56] asac, trying to call me slacker or something? ;-) [11:56] lol [11:57] seb128: no. just wondered if you have enough time for upgrade testing ;) [11:57] but i guess you just upgradede existing systems [11:57] yes [11:57] and taking time for it [11:57] hum, lunch ready, back in a bit [11:57] chrisccoulson: we should dif the icons in karmic vs. those in lucid [11:57] I didn't look at the icon specifically there but I will after lunch [11:57] and ensure that all that are not in lucid anymore have a link [11:57] I'm used wired internet on both boxes [11:58] they are desktop with no wifi [11:58] asac - yeah, i'll do that now [11:58] i tried doing an upgrade last night in kvm, and i didn't see the issue [11:58] could also be that the icon got dropped from the global theme or something, but lets hope its in nm-applet itself [11:58] easier to find [11:58] chrisccoulson: hmm. [11:58] seb128: when did you do that upgrade? [11:59] chrisccoulson: maybe mvo uploaded to archive, but we never merged that into package branch? [11:59] * asac just guessing [11:59] asac - it seems to be in the packaging branch too [11:59] seb128: I just tested bug 460328, and it by and large works fine, FWIW [11:59] Launchpad bug 460328 in gnome-settings-daemon "Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460328 [11:59] assuming i have the correct branch ;) [12:00] ok [12:00] so yeah. lets check the icon diffs [12:00] we should have all names from hardy/karmic in lucid [12:01] seb128: ah, but it picks the wrong one by default; but at least it's not nearly as broken as I feared :) [12:06] * pitti is relieved that we don't have to rewrite half of gdm/g-s-d keyboard code for that === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:12] pitti, nice [12:12] asac, one on tuesday and one yesterday during lunch [12:13] ok thanks [12:13] asac, mvo never uploaded nm or nm-applet this cycle [12:14] asac, or not that I can see on -changes [12:16] asac, here is the difference: http://paste.ubuntu.com/397202/ [12:16] but the only missing icon there is provided from debian/icons, and installed with a rule in debian/rules [12:16] (and it appears in the binary package too) [12:17]