[00:04] <ubuntujenkins> days_of_ruin: I started learning python at the start of quickshot  so my python knowledge is not that good. however I like to know of any mistakes I may make so I can learn from them.
[00:05] <ubuntujenkins> the other main devlopers on the project are Red_HamsterX titeuf_87 TommyBrunn , humphreybc is the overall manual lead. With help form the manual team as well
[00:07] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: make has failed http://paste.ubuntu.com/397001/
[00:08] <ubuntujenkins> I have done an upload and forgot to check for command typos, but thus isn't caused by command typos
[00:12] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: does the graphics/cover-cof.pdf file exist?
[00:12] <godbyk> it should be in the repository
[00:13]  * ubuntujenkins checks
[00:13] <ubuntujenkins> nope not there
[00:14] <godbyk> you're right. that's weird.
[00:14] <godbyk> one sec, let me add them.
[00:15] <ubuntujenkins> I may have broken the make I some times type \textbf{} as \textfb{}or which ever way it is
[00:15] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: bzr pull and try it again.
[00:15] <godbyk> there's another bug I'm trying to fix right now, too.
[00:17] <ubuntujenkins> I have the files
[00:18] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: are you working on the preferences/hardware/printing stuff?
[00:18] <ubuntujenkins> its missing a ./  I think I have no clue wher erhe file is
[00:18] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[00:19] <ubuntujenkins> I made a typo?
[00:19] <ubuntujenkins> I usually check but its late and i forgot.
[00:19] <ubuntujenkins> at least before I uploaded
[00:20] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: line 72 has an extra opening brace after \dropdown.
[00:20] <ubuntujenkins> crazy feel free to remove it
[00:20] <Red_HamsterX> Ooh. Someone was actually uploading screencaps to the test server.
[00:21] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: I tried to yesterday but have no clue how
[00:21] <Red_HamsterX> http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/data/test@en_US@1268843577.png eems to explain it.
[00:21] <ubuntujenkins> It is probably days_of_ruin he is looking at the code.
[00:21] <Red_HamsterX> I haven't tried using anything other than the Python interpreter.
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> days_of_ruin: met Red_HamsterX
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> That URL is where I currently have the debug code staged.
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> nope its titeuf_87
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> I'm planning to get zipfile-based extraction working in a few minutes.
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> Then basic authentication.
[00:23] <Red_HamsterX> And then full details about the state of collected screenshots.
[00:23] <ubuntujenkins> sweet sounds like a plan. I have  a little more manual writting to do, but i am playing with the gui as well
[00:23] <Red_HamsterX> I'm still nowhere near being ready to play with the GUI.
[00:24] <ubuntujenkins> kevin's log razes loads of bugs/things to change on it
[00:25] <ubuntujenkins> we are aiming to have a working version between the 21st to the 31st of this month the nearer the 21t the better
[00:25] <ubuntujenkins> are you able to make the manual meeting on sunday?
[00:26] <ubuntujenkins> 8.00 pm utc
[00:26] <Red_HamsterX> It doesn't look like PHP will let me serve a zipfile from memory... I'll probably have to generate one on disk and then link to it.
[00:26] <Red_HamsterX> I should be able to be there.
[00:27] <ubuntujenkins> cool screenshots is an adgenda item , we need to show that we can get it done
[00:28] <Red_HamsterX> It seems titeuf figured out how to use the API, or else those images wouldn't be on my server.
[00:29] <Red_HamsterX> Once I make it possible to easily get them from the server to your hands, we should have a primitive workflow model.
[00:29] <Red_HamsterX> (Downloading them one at a time works, but having pre-named files in an archive would be much easier)
[00:30] <Red_HamsterX> Can you link to the web interface of the bzr branch that wil actually contain the final screenshots?
[00:30] <ubuntujenkins> That would be much easier.I am hoping to have a team to verify the screenshots I don't want to do all 2500 on my own
[00:30] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, yes. Of course.
[00:30] <ubuntujenkins> hang on
[00:31] <Red_HamsterX> I'm planning to zip the latest version of each file, pre-named for simple drag-and-drop, into an archive bearing the locale's name. These archives will be generated on demand.
[00:31] <ubuntujenkins> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots?field.lifecycle=ALL they will all be split in languages then merged in to main regularly or at least that was the original plan.
[00:31] <Red_HamsterX> The catch is that the veriiers will need a reference image to make sure the one they're working with is appropriate.
[00:32] <ubuntujenkins> I think we shall produce model ones in english
[00:32] <Red_HamsterX> Which will likely be the en_US or en_UK branch.
[00:32] <Red_HamsterX> Assuming they're not the same.
[00:32] <ubuntujenkins> en_US to follow manual protocol
[00:33] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, so it's just a subdirectory under the ubuntu-manual branch?
[00:33] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk I may have accidentally added english australian to the languages list, i mentioned it to a bored tranlator
[00:34] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, that'll make the lookup script easy.
[00:34] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: no worries. I don't have to do anything special for that one, at least.
[00:34] <ubuntujenkins> I have written the script to merge the branches
[00:34] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: thats a good
[00:35]  * ubuntujenkins the screenshot total is at 2550
[00:36] <Red_HamsterX> Will they be merged periodically or is there a special holding area I should be checking?
[00:36] <Red_HamsterX> (To avoid telling users to capture already-done screencaps)
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> s/periodically/regularly/
[00:37] <ubuntujenkins> it would be best to check the individual language branches if possible, I hope to merge to main once/twice a week it needs 55 commits
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> It's possible, but costly, time-wise.
[00:37] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87 is sorting out detecting the current language in use
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> The bzr handshake takes several seconds.
[00:38] <ubuntujenkins> If you only check the laguage in use at the time that is fine surley?
[00:38] <Red_HamsterX> It might be possible to detect the current language by using the Gnome API.
[00:38] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, yes, that would be fine.
[00:38] <ubuntujenkins> We are only letting the user take screenshots of the language that they are logged in at at the time
[00:39] <Red_HamsterX> But does each one have a special branch?
[00:39] <Red_HamsterX> What's the bzr branch naming convention for them?
[00:39] <ubuntujenkins> typing $LANG in the terminal give the curent language
[00:39] <Red_HamsterX> In that case, import locale; locale.getcurrentlocale() should work.
[00:39] <ubuntujenkins> the branches are on the page i linked the naming convetion matches the launchpad translation one
[00:40] <Red_HamsterX> Or not...
[00:40] <Red_HamsterX> sys.env, then.
[00:40] <ubuntujenkins> there are about 6 languages missing I am yet to make the branches for them
[00:41] <Red_HamsterX> Can you give me an example checkout command for one of them?
[00:42] <Red_HamsterX> Give titeuf 'os.environ.get('LANG')' if you see him before I do.
[00:42] <ubuntujenkins> will do
[00:42] <godbyk> are we still planning on having them check out the screenshots branch or were we going with the route of just having quickshot upload it to ubuntu-manual.org via http?  (or are you talking about something completely different?)
[00:42] <ubuntujenkins> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/ar
[00:43] <Red_HamsterX> Are you sure it's a good idea to subdivide things by chapter?
[00:44] <ubuntujenkins> that can be chnaged Red_HamsterX
[00:44] <Red_HamsterX> If chapters are rearranged or something, you'll have a lot of branches to update.
[00:44] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk the comfimed good ones go in the bzr branches and quickshot uploads to the server
[00:45] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: I will chnage them that is a good point
[00:45] <ubuntujenkins> made sense at the time
[00:45] <Red_HamsterX> It might still make sense.
[00:45] <Red_HamsterX> I'm just voicing a concern.
[00:46] <godbyk> if you wait until after the writing freeze, the chapters should be solidified then.
[00:47] <ubuntujenkins> I don't mind just having each branch as a folder thats fine
[00:48] <ubuntujenkins> have we got the naming convetion finailzed?
[00:49] <Red_HamsterX> I'm writing the import/export routines to be convention-agnostic on my end.
[00:49] <Red_HamsterX> They'll translate as neededd.
[00:49] <Red_HamsterX> -d
[00:50] <ubuntujenkins> just realized i don't care either My script will still work
[00:52] <ubuntujenkins> I am going off to bed night guys. Thanks for all your hard work
[00:52] <Red_HamsterX> You, too.
[00:53] <Red_HamsterX> Sorry i was gone all last week.
[00:53] <ubuntujenkins> no problem at all
[02:14]  * humphreybc just got a new keyboard and mouse
[02:14] <humphreybc> it is microsoft, but it's wireless... and apart from the window switcher button, it's amazing
[02:14] <humphreybc> it's so nice to tpye with
[02:14] <humphreybc> i just want to tpye
[02:14] <humphreybc> type*
[02:14] <humphreybc> all the time
[02:14] <humphreybc> type type type yay
[02:15] <humphreybc> best of all, all of the media buttons and shortcut keys work in Ubuntu
[02:15] <humphreybc> it's amaxing
[02:17] <humphreybc> pah, it even comes with a CD for drivers. I don't need drivers, I run UBUNTU
[02:17] <humphreybc> best hardware support of them all
[02:19] <humphreybc> problem now is that I have three microsoft logos on my desk.
[02:42] <godbyk> except for that spelling error bug in microsoft's keyboard..
[02:57] <godbyk> Am I missing anything or should anything be changed? http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc6MA
[07:20]  * humphreybc thinks that IDE hard drives should go faster than 1.2MB/sec
[07:20] <godbyk> hey, humphreybc. I'm here now.
[07:21] <humphreybc> ah, godbyk, i was going to ask you about IDE drives and jumpers and stuff, but i worked it out :)
[07:21] <godbyk> ah, gotcha. cool.
[07:21] <humphreybc> I put another couple of drives in my server... now just have to sort stuff out, so i'm moving things around and it's taking forever
[07:21] <godbyk> I'm currently rewriting my build script so that it can compile multiple translations simultaneously.
[07:21] <humphreybc> currently moving 30,000 photos totally 65GB from one drive to another... 14 hours left
[07:21] <godbyk> (tired of it taking half an hour to compile all the translations serially.)
[07:21] <humphreybc> oO simultaneous building huh
[07:22] <humphreybc> you could just write another script that runs your other script 50 times....?
[07:22] <humphreybc> lol
[07:22] <godbyk> that's kind of what's going to happen. :)
[07:22] <humphreybc> neat
[07:22] <humphreybc> currently transferring stuff at 1.3MB/sec... does that sound about right for two IDE drives?
[07:22] <humphreybc> I would have thought it might have been a bit faster
[07:23] <godbyk> possibly. depends on the drives, the IDE bus speed, etc.
[07:23] <humphreybc> WDC 500GB 7200RPM to a Seagate Barracuda 7200RM 320GB
[07:23] <humphreybc> no idea about bus speed
[07:25] <godbyk> humphreybc: did you see bug 540722?
[07:25] <manualbot`> Launchpad bug 540722 in ubuntu-manual "Wrong link address on translators wiki page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540722
[07:25] <humphreybc> lol
[07:25] <humphreybc> dutchie, good one
[07:26] <humphreybc> fixed
[07:28] <godbyk> cool
[07:29] <humphreybc> i really really really like using this monitor as a monitor
[07:29] <humphreybc> i need to buy another one
[07:41] <humphreybc> godbyk, that form is choice
[07:42] <humphreybc> i just tested it out
[07:42] <humphreybc> I think that's pretty satisfactory, will do the trick well.
[07:43] <humphreybc> can we stick it at bugs.ubuntu-manual.org ?
[07:43] <godbyk> yeah, though I think I'll put it at ubuntu-manual.org/bugs or ubuntu-manual.org/errata instead
[07:43] <humphreybc> kk
[07:43] <humphreybc> probably /bugs is best
[07:43] <godbyk> (that way we can save b.u-m.o in case we ever decide to use our own bug tracker or something.)
[07:44] <humphreybc> kk
[07:44] <humphreybc> good forward thinking :)
[07:44] <godbyk> btw, I think we should adopt daker's site, put some effort into making sure it's all working well, and then put our temporary page as the main page on that site until we fill in the rest.
[07:45] <godbyk> also, you and thorwil should settle on a new logo soon. :)
[07:45] <humphreybc> wait hang on, so have daker's site at ubuntu-manual.org?
[07:45] <humphreybc> get rid of the countdown?
[07:46] <godbyk> put daker's site at ubuntu-manual.org, but we can change the front page to show the countdown and other stuff until we're ready to switch to daker's current front page.
[07:46] <humphreybc> kk
[07:46] <godbyk> 'cause then we can start integrating all our other stuff into the site instead of maintaining two or more sites.
[07:46] <humphreybc> k sounds good
[07:48] <humphreybc> Jackie Chan tweets a lot
[07:51] <humphreybc> i might make something to eat now
[07:55] <humphreybc> right, two pies in the oven :)
[07:56] <humphreybc> godbyk, if you're interested, i got a power meter today and hooked it up with the server. Says the server uses about 52W at idle when I had just one HDD, 66W idle with all three HDDs and currently at 79W while it's copying stuff between two HDDs
[07:56] <godbyk> humphreybc: cool
[07:56] <godbyk> what'd the power meter cost?
[07:57] <humphreybc> like $20
[07:57] <humphreybc> you can also put in how much your power is per watt
[07:57] <humphreybc> and then it'll tell you how much it's costing to run whatever you've got plugged in
[07:58] <humphreybc> is there anything I need to do asap for UMP?
[07:59] <godbyk> cool
[07:59] <godbyk> hmm.. probably. :)
[08:00] <humphreybc> well dont just say that, what needs to be done? :P
[08:01] <godbyk> Lemme look, hold on.
[08:02] <godbyk> humphreybc: have you written instructions for editing the .tex files, compiling, and committing/pushing the changes back to the branch yet?
[08:02] <humphreybc> nope
[08:02] <humphreybc> kinda was hoping you'd do that .... :P
[08:02] <godbyk> heh.. nice try!
[08:03] <humphreybc> wow, mark is right on time for work
[08:03] <godbyk> ?
[08:03] <humphreybc> "sabdfl signed in"
[08:03] <godbyk> ah
[08:03] <humphreybc> and it's 9:03pm my time, which means it's 9:03am in london
[08:03] <godbyk> right
[08:03] <humphreybc> 3 minutes past nine and he's already at his desk and logged into IRC :P
[08:04] <thorwil> i was under the impression it's 8:04 in london
[08:04] <humphreybc> oh
[08:04] <humphreybc> so it is!
[08:04] <humphreybc> well, he's really early then xD
[08:05] <humphreybc> hey so thorwil, we need to talk logos :)
[08:05] <thorwil> humphreybc: everyone but you seems to be fine with the star-like approach
[08:06] <humphreybc> lol
[08:06] <humphreybc> there's the surprise of the century :P
[08:08]  * thorwil notices referrer links from facebook 
[08:11] <humphreybc> heh, yep, i linked our facebook fans to your page
[08:13] <humphreybc> okay, let's decide on a title page and a logo now
[08:14] <thorwil> humphreybc: title page A
[08:14] <humphreybc> I was going to say b :P
[08:14] <humphreybc> I'd like to get dots in there somewhere
[08:15] <godbyk> humphreybc: you and your dots fetish..
[08:15] <thorwil> humphreybc: won't happen
[08:15] <humphreybc> thorwil: why not?
[08:15] <godbyk> I vetoed it. :-P
[08:15] <humphreybc> lol
[08:16] <godbyk> the dots are supposed to be for techie/engineering stuff, right?
[08:16] <humphreybc> nope
[08:16] <humphreybc> close dots are for enterprise
[08:16] <humphreybc> wide spaced dots are for community
[08:16] <godbyk> ah
[08:17] <thorwil> humphreybc: "When you see widely spaced patterns of dots, or outline images and figures, that’s signalling that the content is more engineering-oriented than end-user oriented."
[08:18] <thorwil> i see not a word that would associate dots with the community side
[08:18] <thorwil> aside of that, the dot grid gives a technical feel and stands in contrast to our title font
[08:19] <humphreybc> ah, sorry. I was under the impression that wide dots meant community. not sure where I got that from.
[08:19] <godbyk> also, I don't want to program latex to print all those dots. ;-)
[08:19] <humphreybc> lol
[08:19] <godbyk> (though I'm hoping that inkscape can handle the translations and save me some effort)
[08:19] <humphreybc> okay fine, fine, title page A it is
[08:19] <humphreybc> now, logo. *deep breath*
[08:19] <thorwil> humphreybc: well, Mark's post sucks regarding that point, because you can read it several times and still be unsure what is for what
[08:20] <humphreybc> thorwil, do you want me to get confirmation of dots?
[08:20] <thorwil> humphreybc: no. title page A is ready for use now
[08:21] <humphreybc> Could you change the colour of the icons to Aubergine like title page b?
[08:21] <thorwil> no
[08:22] <thorwil> i found no way to balance aubergine icons with the wave of friends, without the later looking sexually frustrated
[08:22] <humphreybc> sexually frustrated title page huh? that's a new one!
[08:22] <godbyk> lol
[08:22] <humphreybc> okay. I'm just trying to minimize brown.
[08:22] <humphreybc> seeing as brown is now goneburger
[08:23] <thorwil> humphreybc: the icons are no longer brown, but light orange
[08:23] <humphreybc> oh, well that's okay then
[08:23] <humphreybc> :)
[08:23] <thorwil> humphreybc: see attachment to post regarding RTL
[08:23] <humphreybc> kk
[08:23] <humphreybc> brb have to get pies
[08:24] <godbyk> hey, thorwil, you don't happen to be a bash shell scripting expert by any chance, do you?
[08:25] <thorwil> godbyk: no, so far i was happy with simple for loops
[08:25] <godbyk> rats.
[08:26] <humphreybc> back, haz pies
[08:28] <thorwil> humphreybc: so you was like *deep breath*, logo
[08:28] <humphreybc> heh
[08:28] <humphreybc> yes
[08:29] <humphreybc> let's decide on a logo
[08:29] <humphreybc> i don't like the star thing
[08:30] <humphreybc> :)
[08:30] <godbyk> humphreybc: what's wrong with the 'star' thing?
[08:30] <humphreybc> it scares me
[08:30] <godbyk> ?!
[08:30] <humphreybc> when i see it, i think i'm going to be hit by a ninja's throwing star
[08:31] <godbyk> The others look like all the pages are coming from a single place.  the 'star' one looks more like they're coming from all over.  I like the star one better.
[08:31] <humphreybc> it's too edgy, sharp and cold... not welcoming or community or anything
[08:31] <humphreybc> apart from the multiple sources thing
[08:31] <thorwil> well, i could try something else
[08:32] <humphreybc> thorwil, that would be good :)
[08:32] <humphreybc> no offence or anything, but i just don't think it encapsulates what we're all about
[08:42] <thorwil> godbyk: for warning/advanced, you prefer the road sign approach for both, right?
[08:42] <godbyk> thorwil: I think so.. I think it was the second column I liked.
[08:43] <godbyk> with the dark outlines.
[08:43] <godbyk> (they don't have to be full black; it'll depend on how thick the outlines actually are.
[08:43] <thorwil> http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ump_icons.png?w=326&h=238
[08:43] <godbyk> but I think the black will be good for printing.  I fear the yellow alone may be too light when printed in greyscale.
[08:43] <godbyk> yeah, the second column.
[08:44] <thorwil> ok
[09:24] <humphreybc> thorwil
[09:24] <humphreybc> "Hi Mark, quick question - wide-spaced dots stand for community, close-spaced dots stand for enterprise? Is that right?"
[09:24] <humphreybc> "sabdfl: yes. think graph paper in the one case, and server rack cabinet grille in the other"
[09:24] <thorwil> yeah right, graph paper for community
[09:27] <humphreybc> sabdfl: if you could pass this on to the folks who are doing that work, i'd appreciate it
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: the dot pattern in both reads as "developer orientation"
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: the dots are small and widely spaced relative to their diameters
[09:28] <humphreybc> humphreybc: We haven't "met" before either Mark - I'm Benjamin, leader of the manual project, you may have heard about it :)
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: i have heard of it, it rocks, thank you :-)
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: the outline pictograms also hint at developer orientation
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: so both of these say "i'm aimed at technical people", which you might want to change
[09:28] <humphreybc> humphreybc: both of the ones with the dots?
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: yes
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: the one which uses aubergine more heavily is saying "this is produced by a company", or "aimed at companies"
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: it's using quite a light shade of aubergine, which signals "consumer focus"
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: yes, i think the dotless one is best
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: some suggestions
[09:30] <humphreybc> sabdfl: try the warm grey for the pictograms
[09:30] <humphreybc> sabdfl: rather than the odd orange/brown
[09:31] <humphreybc> sabdfl: and maybe also for the nice wave-of-people motif
[09:31] <humphreybc> sabdfl: looks fantastic!
[09:31] <humphreybc> sabdfl: cheers
[09:33] <thorwil> cool
[09:33] <humphreybc> :)
[09:33] <thorwil> humphreybc: and no fair, when i tried contacting him via irc, it took 10 hours for a reply that only said he was busy otherwise :}
[09:34] <humphreybc> hahaha
[09:34] <humphreybc> :P
[09:40] <godbyk> cool.  so did we get the title page stuff settled then?
[09:40] <humphreybc> yup
[09:44] <humphreybc> do want: http://www.trademe.co.nz/277005283
[09:47] <titeuf_87> this actually work?
[09:47] <humphreybc> absolutely no doubt about it in my mind that it works
[09:48] <titeuf_87> good luck sleeping with that on your head though
[09:48] <humphreybc> haha too true
[09:55] <godbyk> whee! the parallelized build script works.
[09:55] <godbyk> that'll save some time.
[09:55] <humphreybc> haha yess!
[09:55] <humphreybc> I did some cool stuff in my python lab today that I thought was pretty neat...
[10:13] <godbyk> okay. I'm off to bed.
[10:13] <humphreybc> kk, night godbyk!
[10:13] <humphreybc> funny how i should be going to bed too
[10:13] <humphreybc> what time is it there?
[10:13] <godbyk> humphreybc: Updated build page: http://ubuntu-manual.org/builds/
[10:13] <godbyk> American English 'translation' is there at the top.
[10:13] <humphreybc> awesome :)
[10:14] <godbyk> you may have to update some links.. I'm not sure.
[10:14] <godbyk> let me create a symlink.
[10:14] <godbyk> that should fix it all
[10:14] <humphreybc> is this stuff in the branch?
[10:14] <godbyk> it's 5:14 a.m. here.
[10:14] <humphreybc> i like it how your sleep patterns basically mean you're in the same timezone as me
[10:14] <godbyk> symlinks created.
[10:15] <godbyk> yeah, I'm a total night owl.
[10:15] <humphreybc> sorry, what am I doing with symlinks?
[10:15] <godbyk> I'll probably be awake for a bit longer.. just lying in bed reading or somethign.
[10:15] <godbyk> humphreybc: nothing. I've taken care of it.
[10:15] <godbyk> no worries.
[10:15] <humphreybc> lol ok cool :)
[10:15] <godbyk> IGNORE ME!
[10:15] <godbyk> :)
[10:15] <humphreybc> wilco
[10:15] <humphreybc> go read your book
[10:15] <humphreybc> i bet it's about something silly
[10:16] <humphreybc> like frilly pink pillow covers
[10:16]  * godbyk just realized that I doubt anyone in this room knows the reference, but he amuses himself nevertheless.
[10:16] <humphreybc> lol
[10:17] <godbyk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGbPs5y3oz8
[10:18]  * humphreybc looks at the link
[10:26] <humphreybc> lol
[10:30]  * humphreybc is still trying to decide whether to buy another 24" monitor
[10:45]  * humphreybc just bought another 24" Dell LCD
[19:24] <dutchie> evening folks
[19:25] <godbyk> hey, dutchie .
[19:25] <Daker> hi @all
[19:26] <godbyk> Daker: dutchie is the guy who handles the translation stuff for the ubuntu manual. he may be able to help you with your pot file.
[19:26] <thorwil> word
[19:26] <Daker> godbyk oki
[19:27] <Daker> dutchie !!!
[19:28] <godbyk> hey, thorwil.
[19:29] <dutchie> Daker: o/
[19:30] <Daker> dutchie i don't know if i use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website for handling the website
[19:31] <dutchie> :( PHP
[19:31] <dutchie> PHP makes me cry
[19:31] <Daker> dutchie why ?
[19:31] <dutchie> because it's horrible
[19:32] <dutchie> but never mind that, did you have a translation-related question?
[19:33] <thorwil> i'd like to make PHP cry
[19:34] <Daker> I don't know if upload the file here lp ubuntu-manual-website or where
[19:36] <Daker> HEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPP
[19:36] <Daker> :s
[19:37] <godbyk> Daker: we may also want to hold off on the translations until we've edited the text.  I think the text that's there is just semi-boilerplate text that humpreybc put in.
[19:38] <godbyk> brb. going to fix a sandwich.
[19:38] <Daker> godbyk ok
[19:39] <Daker> @all see you later
[19:39] <manualbot`> Daker: Error: "all" is not a valid command.
[19:49] <godbyk> back
[19:58] <thorwil> godbyk: in graphics/, warning.pdf and advanced.pdf are generated or explicitly saved?
[19:58] <godbyk> thorwil: right now they're explicitly saved.
[19:59] <thorwil> godbyk: i have 2 SVGs ready. both with 64x64 px canvas
[19:59] <thorwil> godbyk: should i just replace what's there with them and their PDF exports?
[20:02] <godbyk> thorwil: sure!
[20:07] <thorwil> godbyk: pushed. had a conflict to resolve (maintenance.moved). no clue what that was about
[20:09] <thorwil> godbyk: SVG with colors, contains a red that could be used for link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/ubuntu_manual_cover/download/t_w_%40freenet.de-20100318130523-o2k0cv6tfl1rf893/palette.svg-20100318121658-3ezpc5eiih67vu2p-1/palette.svg
[20:11] <godbyk> thorwil: nice! I'll give it a shot.
[20:14] <thorwil> godbyk: our traffic signs are neither all european or usa/nz/aus-ian, but i wanted to have different shapes. considered switching to european triangle with red frame and white fill, but that would lessen the likeness with the Humanity icon and looks harsher somehow
[20:14] <godbyk> true
[21:20] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX and titeuf_87 can you please check the todo list http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/aA6ygCXL9F I have put coments by the stuff i think has been done, If I am right can you strike though it.
[21:23] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, what do you mean with check the user is online?
[21:23] <titeuf_87> just that he can connect on the net?
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: yes just that he is on the internet
[21:30] <Red_HamsterX> That's probably a good thing to test.
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> I know ground control does it
[21:32] <titeuf_87> Should be easy enough to implement. When the user is not online show a warning when you start quickshot?
[21:32] <ubuntujenkins> yes I think that would be the best way to do it.
[21:32] <Red_HamsterX> Try pinging the server?
[21:32] <Red_HamsterX> Or, actually...
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> I did some of the ui chnages to day I will finish it tonight/tomorrow
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> well ping may work
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> Sine the server will be necesary for determining what needs to be done, just fail it the screenshot list can't be retrieved.
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> Since*
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> necessary*
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> if*
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> I need to learn how to type.
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> It would be good if it was done at launch as there is no point the user going through every thing to find out that they can't do it becasue they are not online
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> also is it possible to change the label on the very first window when it launches in the quickshot user?
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> I know how to chnage labels