| ryanakca | Could someone please ack bug 538283 ? | 00:06 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 538283 in turnin-ng "Please merge turnin-ng 1.0.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538283 | 00:06 |
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| Laibsch | I'm seeing the symptoms described in bug 385139 in a karmic pbuilder. I believe it is preventing pbuilder from successfully setting up the build environment. Does the bug speak to anyone around here? | 01:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 385139 in ubuntu "[Karmic] ldconfig.real empty files" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385139 | 01:29 |
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| fabrice_sp | jayvee, np ;-) And you'd better get used to quilt: source 3.0(quilt) uses ... :-) | 07:17 |
| fabrice_sp | quilt | 07:17 |
| Rhonda | fabrice_sp: No, it doesn't. It is a completely unrelated (and in parts also different) implementation of the same idea. | 07:21 |
| Rhonda | It's one of the bad misnamers in software history, unfortunately. | 07:21 |
| Rhonda | Said that, it should though hopefully work well together when one wants to use quilt directly instead of the dpkg internal approach. | 07:22 |
| * Rhonda . o O ( in the meantime) ) | 07:23 | |
| RainCT | morning dholbach :) | 07:55 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:55 |
| dholbach | hey RainCT! | 07:55 |
| happyaron | hi, is there any document introducting dh7 features and usages? | 08:22 |
| \sh | moins | 08:33 |
| RainCT | happyaron: http://joey.kitenet.net/talks/debhelper/debhelper-slides.pdf | 08:37 |
| happyaron | RainCT: thanks | 08:38 |
| RainCT | hey \sh | 08:38 |
| RainCT | happyaron: You're welcome. Those are slides from a DebConf talk (so not really explained) but I found them helpful nevertheless. | 08:39 |
| \sh | hey RainCT | 08:41 |
| Rhonda | fabrice_sp: Did you see my paste to your query? | 09:20 |
| christoph_debian | is that launchpad mailgateway time-sensitive as well or just still broken in 0.93 | 10:54 |
| christoph_debian | anyway if anyone wants to second -> #540838 | 10:57 |
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| nigelb | Rhonda: you about? | 13:34 |
| Rhonda | nigelb: Never. Usually It's better to just ask your question - maybe even someone else could answer. :) | 13:46 |
| nigelb | Rhonda: I think I fixed the foolishness I was doing ;) | 13:47 |
| Rhonda | \o/ | 13:47 |
| nigelb | no wonder they say debian has a bit of a barrier | 13:47 |
| nigelb | its so tough ;) | 13:47 |
| hyperair | debian is tough? | 13:50 |
| Laney | hard as nails | 13:50 |
| nigelb | hyperair: finding documentation for stuff is | 13:51 |
| hyperair | imo centos is tougher. it's busy screwing you over even while you're not making mistakes. | 13:51 |
| hyperair | nigelb: isn't debian well documented? | 13:51 |
| hyperair | like manpages and such | 13:51 |
| nigelb | hyperair: for packaging stuff? | 13:51 |
| hyperair | sure it is! | 13:51 |
| Laney | policy and devref | 13:51 |
| Laney | job done | 13:51 |
| hyperair | man dh_stuff | 13:52 |
| * hyperair nods | 13:52 | |
| Laney | naaahhh dh is optional | 13:52 |
| Laney | cf manoj packages | 13:52 |
| nigelb | or may be I'm just baaad at packaging | 13:52 |
| nigelb | I seem to make all sorts of mistakes | 13:52 |
| Laney | it's called learning | 13:52 |
| Laney | you'll get better | 13:52 |
| nigelb | its embarassing, but I'm swallowign my pride for infinity | 13:53 |
| hyperair | Laney: manoj packages? | 13:55 |
| nigelb | oh joy! gwibber depends on python-wnck, not in debian yet | 13:59 |
| Laney | hyperair: packages maintained by manoj | 14:00 |
| hyperair | Laney: no dh? that sounds scary. | 14:01 |
| Laney | depends how good you are at make... | 14:01 |
| hyperair | Laney: well... i imagine something on the level of cdbs's source.. | 14:04 |
| Laney | they're quite clean actually, at least ucf which I looked at | 14:04 |
| Laney | anyway bbiab | 14:04 |
| dupondje | Its prolly way to late to get a new package version into Lucid ? :) | 14:06 |
| nigelb | dupondje: very late I think | 14:08 |
| dupondje | its not even in debian sid neither, so would not even be a sync request. Better package it myself and put on my ppa :P | 14:09 |
| nigelb | dupondje: better get it into debian | 14:10 |
| nigelb | will by synced for lucid+1 | 14:10 |
| nigelb | dupondje: what package anyway? | 14:11 |
| dupondje | audacious :) | 14:11 |
| dupondje | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=559055 | 14:12 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 559055 in audacious "audacious: New upstream version available (2.2.0)" [Wishlist,Open] | 14:12 |
| dupondje | There is a new upstream version available since Nov 22. => lazy asses :) | 14:12 |
| nigelb | I think you can do an NMU, but a DD could give better opinion on that | 14:13 |
| dupondje | eh ? :) | 14:14 |
| nigelb | non-maintainer upload | 14:17 |
| dupondje | anyway, is there a quick/easy way to package new upstream version? or its just fetch source, copy debian dir, adjust it & package ? | 14:19 |
| \sh | bdrung: ping eclipse ;) do you know how to solve Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-gtk-3555 or swt-gtk in swt.library.path, java.library.path or the jar file | 14:34 |
| bdrung | \sh: you have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the xulrunner path | 14:37 |
| \sh | bdrung: hmmm? on x86_64 with openjdk-6? | 14:38 |
| bdrung | \sh: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2 (or similar) -> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=291758 | 14:39 |
| ubottu | bugs.eclipse.org bug 291758 in PackagingTools "[eclipse-build] SWT's browser code can't see XULRunner libraries on Debian unstable" [Normal,New] | 14:39 |
| DktrKranz | dholbach: ubuntu-dev-tools 0.96 uploaded in Debian | 14:59 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: impressive. ubuntu-dev-tools has a wickedly long chain of dependencies | 15:00 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: many of which were -0ubuntu1 AFAIR | 15:00 |
| DktrKranz | mok0: well, it's not the first upload in Debian, I already did many | 15:01 |
| dholbach | DktrKranz: awesome! | 15:01 |
| DktrKranz | (and yes, there are four rdeps) | 15:01 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: I tried backporting ubuntu-dev-tools to jaunty, but had to give up | 15:01 |
| DktrKranz | hehe | 15:01 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: many new dependencies were introduced since then | 15:02 |
| DktrKranz | yeah, with LP integration and API, you need several lazr* and launchpadlib | 15:02 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: exactly | 15:02 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: well done! | 15:02 |
| DktrKranz | but I packaged them already ;) | 15:02 |
| c_korn | an Ubuntu package in Debian ? what secret conspiracy is this ? .) | 15:02 |
| DktrKranz | thanks ;) | 15:02 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: I have my notes on my laptop, so I can't exactly remember where I gave up | 15:02 |
| Laney | we should really move stuff to devscripts | 15:03 |
| DktrKranz | +0,9 | 15:03 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: ... but it was on the 10th or 12th package in the chain... | 15:03 |
| DktrKranz | (missing 0.1 is for some scripts really Ubuntu-specific) | 15:03 |
| Laney | but they don't have python scripts there afaik | 15:03 |
| Rhonda | hyperair: Actually, it isn't scary at all. Just take a look at the rules file of netris, the package is small enough to do a quick apt-get. (and it's not manoj) | 15:03 |
| Rhonda | apt-get source of course. :) | 15:04 |
| Rhonda | And it helps to find out what's actually going on behind the curtain of dh. | 15:05 |
| mok0 | You don't want to look at dh... it is explosive and is likely to cover you with scraps of incomprehensible chunks of perl goo | 15:06 |
| DktrKranz | Laney: exactly, just perl (IIRC) | 15:06 |
| Laney | I find joeyh's perl pretty readable tbh | 15:06 |
| mok0 | I wrote a perl program once... about 2 hours after I wrote it, it was already impossible to figure out what it was doing | 15:07 |
| mok0 | :-) | 15:07 |
| DktrKranz | mok0: it's not your fault, it happens :) | 15:08 |
| mok0 | Heh | 15:08 |
| Rhonda | mok0: That's why there is no dh in netris packaging. | 15:08 |
| DktrKranz | I once wrote a Python program, but it self-exploed because of my bad PEP-8 | 15:08 |
| mok0 | Rhonda: Ah, respect! | 15:08 |
| * mok0 forgets the python urbanities... PEP-8? | 15:09 | |
| DktrKranz | coding style | 15:09 |
| DktrKranz | URLly http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ | 15:10 |
| mok0 | Ah... white space | 15:10 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: The only really sucky thing about python... otherwise I love it | 15:11 |
| * mok0 wonders, since Python has an opening brace, why can't it have a closing one? | 15:11 | |
| * DktrKranz doesn't like parenthesis | 15:11 | |
| * Rhonda throws scheme at DktrKranz | 15:12 | |
| * mok0 is hoping for a ';' as the ending brace | 15:12 | |
| DktrKranz | Rhonda: LISP also | 15:12 |
| * mok0 looks a ((((((DktrKranz)))))) | 15:13 | |
| * DktrKranz hides | 15:13 | |
| Rhonda | DktrKranz: lisp is a scheme dialect. | 15:13 |
| mok0 | Rhonda: ... hmmm | 15:13 |
| Rhonda | The other way round? | 15:13 |
| Laney | yes, the other way around | 15:14 |
| mok0 | Rhonda: that would be my guess | 15:14 |
| mok0 | :) | 15:14 |
| dyfet | lisp is the mother tongue | 15:14 |
| DktrKranz | no | 15:14 |
| DktrKranz | mother tongue are butterflies | 15:14 |
| mok0 | scheme is GNU's version of common lisp afaik | 15:14 |
| * Rhonda prefers script-fu anyway when such a thing is needed. | 15:14 | |
| mok0 | Rhonda: you a bash man? | 15:15 |
| mok0 | :-) | 15:15 |
| * Rhonda bashes bash | 15:16 | |
| Rhonda | mok0: perlmonk :) | 15:16 |
| mok0 | Rhonda: Oh dear | 15:16 |
| nigelb | how does multiple binary packages work? | 15:16 |
| nigelb | I need to have a separate install file for each package? | 15:17 |
| nigelb | err.. binary | 15:17 |
| mok0 | nigelb: no, just create a section in control for each of them | 15:17 |
| nigelb | thats it? | 15:17 |
| mok0 | nigelb: yes | 15:17 |
| nigelb | so the intallation and stuff/ | 15:18 |
| mok0 | nigelb: then you use debian/install and friends to put files in their respective packages | 15:18 |
| nigelb | It was intially debianized as single binary | 15:18 |
| nigelb | now, I get to know that it should be split to work properly | 15:18 |
| mok0 | nigelb: you need files debian/install.<packagname> for each package | 15:18 |
| nigelb | aha :) thank you | 15:19 |
| Rhonda | nigelb: Yes, debian/$package.install is the way to go for multiple binaries (and the control file snippet, but that part hopefully is the obvious part) | 15:19 |
| mok0 | nigelb: you're welcome :-) | 15:19 |
| Rhonda | mok0: Erm … Your approach isn't the best one. :) | 15:19 |
| nigelb | NM's are discouraged from working with multiple binaries, should that be a problem as long as my sponsor is willing? | 15:20 |
| Rhonda | debian/$binpackage.$foo is used by debhelper for the different parts. | 15:20 |
| mok0 | Rhonda: educate me | 15:20 |
| dupondje | nigelb: seems it wasn't packaged because it needs a new lib, that isn't in debian/ubuntu yet :( | 15:20 |
| Rhonda | So one can has debian/package1.install, debian/package2.menu, and so on | 15:20 |
| nigelb | dupondje: ah, well, so you cant get into debian either | 15:21 |
| mok0 | Ah, yes, package.install not install.package.. my bad | 15:21 |
| * mok0 needs coffeine now | 15:21 | |
| Rhonda | nigelb, mok0: Some example, see the filelist here: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-games/wesnoth.git;a=tree;f=debian;h=29cd8f81facdf1dc38f9bd7abe14701b9a6f442c;hb=8eebb4 | 15:21 |
| dupondje | nigelb: well the lib is in debian exp, just needs some time it seems :( | 15:21 |
| mok0 | Rhonda: right | 15:22 |
| nigelb | Rhonda: ah, thats great. examples were what I needed. ty :) | 15:22 |
| * Rhonda . o O ( and that file list will be getting extremely more confusing with the next commit. %-) ) | 15:22 | |
| * Rhonda . o O ( thinking of, I guess I should leave off the "generated" files out of that repository. ) | 15:25 | |
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| mok0 | ScottK: ping | 17:02 |
| ScottK | mok0: Pong | 17:03 |
| mok0 | ScottK, hi, I'm looking at an important bug in Atlas, that may have been resolved | 17:03 |
| mok0 | bug 363510 | 17:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 363510 in atlas "Errors in single-precision BLAS (libatlas3gf-sse)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363510 | 17:03 |
| mok0 | ScottK, I need an FFE for that | 17:04 |
| ScottK | Looking | 17:04 |
| mok0 | ScottK, It means a jump in version from 3.8.0 to 3.8.3 | 17:05 |
| mok0 | ScottK, OTOH, we wont need to backport the fix | 17:06 |
| mok0 | ScottK, and maintain this outdated library for 3 years | 17:06 |
| ScottK | OK. Still reading the bug. | 17:06 |
| ScottK | mok0: I think you mean 3.6.0 -> 3.8.3. | 17:09 |
| mok0 | ScottK, uhm yes | 17:09 |
| mok0 | ScottK, I am building the package now, if the test program works, I propose to sync it | 17:09 |
| ScottK | mok0: Do you know why Debian has it in Experimental? | 17:10 |
| mok0 | ScottK, No... the last comment on the LP page is from the maintainer, so I suppose he thinks it's ok for ubuntu | 17:11 |
| mok0 | ScottK, the whole 3.8.3 series is in exp. | 17:12 |
| ScottK | mok0: libatlas-base-dev has 13 reverse build-depends. You'd need to deal with the entire transition. | 17:12 |
| mok0 | ScottK, hm | 17:12 |
| ScottK | mok0: Generally, if the newer atlas is mature, I do think it makes sense to move forward, but you need to look at the entire atlas stack and make sure we aren't fixing one thing and breaking 5 others. | 17:13 |
| mok0 | ScottK, of course... it's more rdepends that I thought | 17:13 |
| Laney | I think I saw talk of an atlas transition for Squeeze | 17:14 |
| mok0 | Laney: and... ? | 17:14 |
| Laney | you should ask if the Debian people know of any issues | 17:14 |
| ScottK | mok0: I'd suggest do test rebuilds and lay out a complete plan for one FFe. | 17:14 |
| ScottK | As long as it tests out OK, I think we should probably go ahead. | 17:14 |
| mok0 | ScottK, OK, sounds reasonable | 17:14 |
| Laney | they might be willing to hear your bugs so that their transition goes easier | 17:14 |
| Laney | etc | 17:15 |
| mok0 | Laney: sure | 17:15 |
| mok0 | ScottK, several important packages are in the list of rdepends, R for one; perhaps that is why the package is still in experimental | 17:18 |
| mok0 | ScottK, it's worse, you need to look at the rdepends of package libatlas3gf-base | 17:27 |
| ScottK | Oh my. | 17:28 |
| mok0 | ScottK, I think libatlas-base-dev is the old version of libatlas | 17:29 |
| mok0 | ScottK, doesn't look realistic for Lucid, huh? | 17:29 |
| ScottK | Yes, I was looking at current reverse-build-depends in Ubuntu, not Debian experimental. | 17:29 |
| ScottK | mok0: For the ones that are run time depends (and not build depends), I suspect testing a sub-set of them would be sufficient if it goes well. | 17:30 |
| ScottK | You might ask upstream about 3.6 -> 3.8 binary compatibility. | 17:30 |
| mok0 | ScottK, ok, I will investigate it | 17:31 |
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| siretart` | mok0: ScottK: is the backporters meeting scheduled for now or in 1h? | 18:02 |
| mok0 | siretart`: heh | 18:02 |
| * ScottK looks at mok0. | 18:02 | |
| mok0 | siretart`: It's actually 18:00 UTC now, but I think I made a mistake when scheduling the meeting | 18:02 |
| siretart` | so, what do we do now? | 18:03 |
| mok0 | On the fridge, it says 19:00 UTC, so perhaps we should wait | 18:03 |
| siretart` | TBH, that would suit me better, I could then have dinner right now :-) | 18:03 |
| mok0 | siretart`: great | 18:04 |
| mok0 | I will stick around #ubuntu-meeting in case anyone else shows up | 18:04 |
| siretart` | excellent. thanks | 18:04 |
| mok0 | siretart`: enjoy you meal :-) | 18:04 |
| siretart` | thanks :-) | 18:06 |
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| duanedesign | reviewing RC bugs Debian has closed I have found one that affects Lucid and it hasnt been merged. | 19:33 |
| duanedesign | i am still learning the motu processes so I am unsure about what I should do next? | 19:35 |
| geser | Have both Ubuntu and Debian the same upstream version? | 19:36 |
| micahg | duanedesign: have you seen this: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/bugs/rcbugs/lucid/ | 19:51 |
| duanedesign | micahg: yes. That is where I found the bug :) | 19:52 |
| micahg | duanedesign: k, I thought it was cool and just saw it today, so thought I'd mention it :) | 19:52 |
| duanedesign | micahg: sure. I just found it a couple of days ago. Well I didnt find it p_ersia told me about it | 19:54 |
| duanedesign | geser: ubuntu has 0.5-2.2 and Debian unstable has 0.5-2.3 . I opened a bug report on it. bug 541446 | 19:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 541446 in ttf-okolaks "Sync ttf-okolaks 0.5-2.3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541446 | 19:56 |
| geser | duanedesign: have you verified that it builds in a lucid environment (a lucid pbuilder)? | 19:58 |
| duanedesign | geser:heh, I only verified the bug. Ill verify the fix as well.. | 19:59 |
| geser | please subscribe "ubuntu-sponsors" when you are done to add it to the sponsoring queue | 20:02 |
| Fersure | debuild is saying that it can't find my 'secret key'. how would I sort this out? can't see anything in the docs | 20:02 |
| Fersure | (totally new to packaging for ubuntu. following the PackagingGuide on the wiki) | 20:04 |
| BlackZ | Fersure: are you used the same name in export DEBFULLNAME ? | 20:04 |
| BlackZ | have* | 20:04 |
| Fersure | yep | 20:04 |
| BlackZ | Fersure: gpg --list-keys | 20:04 |
| BlackZ | is it in the list? | 20:04 |
| geser | either use the same name, comment and email address in debian/changelog matching one of your key uid or tell debsign which key to use | 20:04 |
| Fersure | BlackZ: yes | 20:05 |
| ChogyDan | Fersure: did you put a comment in your key? I made the mistake of not having a blank comment | 20:05 |
| Fersure | oh um yes I did | 20:05 |
| Fersure | so I should create the key again leaving a blank comment? | 20:05 |
| Fersure | how would I delete the key I currently have then? o.o | 20:05 |
| ChogyDan | then as geser said, you have to write the comment out in the changelogs also, or just remake the key without the comment. I think there are other tricks | 20:06 |
| BlackZ | Fersure: yes, or you can modify it instead | 20:06 |
| Fersure | how? I'm a total noob when it comes to gpg. | 20:06 |
| BlackZ | Fersure: however I suggest you to re-create it and then re-try | 20:07 |
| Fersure | okay. | 20:08 |
| porthose | Fersure, or for a quick fix you can just use the -k<keyid> option with debuild | 20:08 |
| BlackZ | Fersure: for more information, you can read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto | 20:08 |
| Fersure | Ah excellent. Thanks. :) | 20:09 |
| duanedesign | geser: i verified it builds in a Lucid pbuilder and the fix works. is there anything else I need to do other than subscribing "ubuntu-sponsors" to the bug? | 20:37 |
| geser | no (perhaps be patient :) | 20:38 |
| duanedesign | geser: thank you very much. Just happy to be helping and learning more about packaging/MOTU | 20:52 |
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| Anzenketh | I am trying to learn how to create a debian package from scratch is there a newer version of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete | 23:13 |
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| diwic | Hmm...I've done "apt-src install pulseaudio", "apt-src build pulseaudio", then made a change to src/modules/alsa/alsa-source.c, then ran "make", then trying to run the pulseaudio wrapper script (src/pulseaudio), but the change wasn't there. What did I do wrong? | 23:57 |
| sladen_ | diwic: 'debuild -b -uc -us' && dpkg -i ../pulseaudio.* | 23:59 |
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