[00:56] <nhandler> jrib: We can't have ubottu treat kick messages as comments. Too many people use scripts that automatically specfiy a kick comment. Having a bunch of generic "You should know better" comments would not really be helpful
[00:58] <Myrtti> er, correct me if I'm wrong, but kick messages ARE treated as comments
[00:58] <Myrtti> that's how it's been in the ban tracker since time immemorial
[01:26] <gnomefreak76> has anyone wrote a factoid about the window buttons
[01:28] <gnomefreak76> ok !buttons is not it
[01:29] <Myrtti> why would anyone have written such a factoid and what do you think it should say
[01:29] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: lucid window control buttons moved to left side
[01:29] <gnomefreak> people dont like that
[01:29] <gnomefreak> alot of them too
[01:30] <gnomefreak> its one of those "lets throw it in there and see if people like it" type things IIRC
[01:31] <nhandler> I might be useful to include a link to a page explaining how to move the buttons back to the right. I have a feeling that will be a FAQ after lucid is released
[01:31] <gnomefreak> nhandler: there are a few of them but knowing how long they will be up is not known
[01:32] <nhandler> gnomefreak: Do we have a page on the wiki explaining how to move the buttons?
[01:32] <Myrtti> feels a bit of yakshaving
[01:32]  * gnomefreak can add them but i was told that someone may have already done that 
[01:32] <gnomefreak> nhandler: nope not that i know of
[01:32] <gnomefreak> http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[01:33] <gnomefreak> that is one. most of them are on blogs
[01:33] <gnomefreak> none official
[01:33] <nhandler> Yeah, I've seen the blog posts. It might be good to get a page added to the community help wiki about this.
[01:35] <gnomefreak> nhandler: yeah i wanted to the other day but was unable to find enough time to do it. there is also at least 1 bug report with the many ways to change it
[01:36] <nhandler> gnomefreak: Maybe talk to the people in #ubuntu-doc and see if someone there has some time to prepare a page
[01:37] <Myrtti> y'all should just use Xubuntu. We fortunate people have a gui for changing the location and positioning of them.
[01:37] <Myrtti> *SNERK*
[01:37] <gnomefreak> it wont be this week for me. im just finishing up updates and ill be gone for a day or 3
[01:37] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-tweek will do it
[01:37] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-doc
[01:37] <gnomefreak> damn
[01:40] <nhandler> Myrtti: Kubuntu has something to do that too iirc
[01:41] <gnomefreak> asked in *-doc
[03:39] <Myrtti> ohai bikcmp
[03:42] <bikcmp> uhh...
[03:42] <bikcmp> chazz?
[03:55] <mneptok> @login
[04:03] <Myrtti> !ping
[04:04] <Myrtti> @whoami
[04:04] <Myrtti> @login
[04:06] <Myrtti> bikcmp: so what brings you here?
[04:11] <bikcmp> Myrtti: Was going to say that a bad nick joined, but it's all fixed now
[04:11] <bikcmp> :)
[04:13]  * mneptok gestures at the /topic
[05:03] <bazhang> bikcmp, hi
[05:06] <bikcmp> hello bazhang
[05:06] <bikcmp> sorry, rejoined here by accident.
[05:06] <bazhang> bikcmp, did you need some assistance?
[05:06] <bazhang> aha
[05:14]  * mneptok whips bazhang 
[05:14] <mneptok> FASTER, damn you!
[05:15] <bazhang> hehe
[05:22] <bazhang> !sa
[05:22] <bazhang> @sa
[05:25] <Flannel> Meh.
[05:25] <Flannel> Services are down
[05:25] <wgrant> I thought my scripts were broken when anonymous_ didn't disappear.
[05:26] <wgrant> But no, no privileges for us.,
[05:26] <bazhang> weird. there is no channel at #ubuntu-sa , even though the wiki for loco teams list it as such
[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[14:35]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:59] <KB1JWQ> If someone gets the chance, can I get some constructive feedback on a forum post?
[15:00] <KB1JWQ> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1432243 <-- My last response.  I wanted to make sure that was in the right tone for the forums.  I'm entirely too used to IRC, I just don't want to come across as "RTFM, noob!" if I can avoid it.
[15:17] <jussi01> !gq
[15:17] <Pici> KB1JWQ: I think thats fine, I'm not a fan of ESR's guide myself, but for a subject such as sendmail, you really need a real question before you cans tart troubleshooting.
[15:17] <jussi01> KB1JWQ: you might waant to use that one ^^
[15:18] <KB1JWQ> Ahh, never saw that before.
[15:18] <KB1JWQ> Thanks Pici  and jussi01.
[15:19] <KB1JWQ> I'll help if I can, but I REALLY need specific questions in most cases. :-)  "Teach me X" isn't something I accept from anyone as a problem request.
[15:20] <KB1JWQ> jussi01: Unfortunately I think that one's too IRC centric.
[15:20] <KB1JWQ> What I like about ESR's guide is that it covers almost every online medium you could hope for.
[15:43] <Myrtti> +b *!*@169.Red-79-150-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net ?
[15:44] <Myrtti> objections?
[15:44] <Pici> Myrtti: Was he kicked earlier?
[15:44] <Myrtti> someone from that ip, yes
[15:44] <Myrtti> and banned
[15:45] <Myrtti> different ident
[17:05] <genii> "lspci" into the channel ... :/
[17:05] <ikonia> seems fixed
[17:06] <genii> ikonia: The bot caught it and gave a pastebin warn, etc
[17:06] <ikonia> I wish kubuntu would start putting things into main rather than ppa's
[17:06] <ikonia> lead by example
[17:31] <Myrtti> [19:31] ~~~dancing-bot [~dancing-b@95-25-136-1.broadband.corbina.ru] has  joined #ubuntu
[18:00] <lorenzo> #ubuntu-it-chat
[18:02] <mneptok> lorenzo: you MUST type /join first
[18:02] <mneptok> !it
[18:02] <mneptok> scrivi /join #ubuntu-it
[18:03] <mneptok> non scrivi #ubuntu-it solo
[18:15] <Mamarok> lorenzo: e poi, dommanda agli altri nel canale Italiano come adjungere il canale automaticamente, cosi non dévi scrieverlô ogni volta
[19:48] <Myrtti> !soc ~= s/2006/2010/
[19:48] <arvind_k> Hi, please change the factoid of soc
[19:48] <Myrtti> !soc
[19:48] <arvind_k> oh Myrtti just did that :)
[19:48] <arvind_k> thanks
[19:48] <Myrtti> ahead of you ;-)
[19:48] <arvind_k> hahaha :) btw do you happen to know where will the mentors be hanging around ?
[19:49] <Myrtti> no idea
[19:49] <Myrtti> "IRC: #ubuntu-gsoc or #gsoc on freenode"
[19:49] <Myrtti> as on the link in the factoid
[19:49] <arvind_k> oh ok, let me check it out , thanks anyways :)
[20:03] <Myrtti> !xampp
[20:06] <Myrtti> !pm > sascha_
[20:26]  * genii rolls his eyes
[20:38] <Myrtti> !bot > human_
[20:50] <guntbert> please have a look at<nocturnus> in #ubuntu - he seems to switch between dubious advice - off topic chatter - rudeness ...
[20:52] <ikonia> ok
[20:52] <ikonia> my eyes are open
[20:53] <guntbert> ikonia: not completely sure though  ... but thx
[20:53] <ikonia> lets wait and see
[20:53] <guntbert> exactly what I was asking for :-)
[20:53] <ikonia> looks like you're right already
[20:54] <guntbert> what a pity
[20:54] <guntbert> I'd prefer to be wrong
[20:55]  * ikonia angers at the stupidity of ubuntu including the app "wtf" 
[20:55] <ikonia> inline with it's code of conduct
[20:56] <Myrtti> !info wtf
[20:56] <ikonia> oh, it's gone - good
[20:56] <Myrtti> !info wtf jaunty
[20:56] <ikonia> interesting, maybe it wasn't in the official repo's
[20:56] <Myrtti> !info wtf hardy
[20:57]  * Myrtti goes to kick the wifi access point, bash it with a mallet and pour cola on the pieces
[20:57] <ikonia> oh dear
[20:58] <Myrtti> my bloodpressure isn't doing too well when I'm using the hotel wifi
[21:01] <nocturnus> ikonia: ar eyou there?
[21:01] <nocturnus> oh hello elky
[21:01] <ikonia> yes
[21:02] <nocturnus> Are you getting my PM's ...?
[21:02] <ikonia> yes
[21:02] <nocturnus> Perhaps my IRC client is blocking them
[21:02] <ikonia> no
[21:02] <nocturnus> I mean when you reply
[21:02] <nocturnus> [ because I'm +G ]
[21:03] <ikonia> ok
[21:05] <nocturnus> Well ...?
[21:05] <ikonia> well what ?
[21:05] <nocturnus> Well I'm wondering if you read my queries or what?
[21:05] <ikonia> I read them, and explained to them I'm not unbanning you at the moment
[21:06] <nocturnus> I didn't get a PM
[21:06] <ikonia> if you didn't get them, I'll explain it again here,
[21:06] <nocturnus> You can copy/paste if you wish.
[21:06] <ikonia> I'm not unbanning you as I asked you multiple times to stop referencing sofas and you chose to play dumb and pretend you had not mentioned sofas
[21:06] <nocturnus> No ... that's not what I meant ...
[21:06] <ikonia> other users complained about your offtopic comments, I attempted to stop them and you tried to push me/be smart with me
[21:06] <nocturnus> I know I said the word sofas once, but as I said it was a pun, and not a reference
[21:07] <nocturnus> I don't really know anything about sofas.
[21:07] <ikonia> I'm sure you don't
[21:07] <nocturnus> Then what's the problem?
[21:07] <ikonia> I asked you to stop referncing it 3 times and you're last words where to mention it again
[21:07] <nocturnus> I only said it once, the other times was because you asked me
[21:07] <ikonia> yes, and I asked you to stop and you just kept referencing sofas
[21:07] <nocturnus> I think this is a communication error - not my first language you know ..
[21:08] <ikonia> I understand english may not be your first language
[21:08] <nocturnus> *sigh*
[21:08] <nocturnus> I wasn't ~referencing~ them, just replying to the replies you gave!
[21:08] <ikonia> yet I kept asking you to stop and you kept replying
[21:08] <ikonia> instead of stopping
[21:08] <nocturnus> Because I don't understanded what the problem is ..
[21:08] <nocturnus> I didn't spam "sofa sofa sofa sofa ..."
[21:09] <nocturnus> understood rather
[21:09] <ikonia> I didn't say you spammed sofa sofa sofa
[21:09] <ikonia> you where making offtopic comments, sofa was one of them, I asked you to stop and you kept pushing it
[21:09] <nocturnus> Well on several occasions - that's what I meant by 's s s s  ...'
[21:10] <nocturnus> As soon as you brought it up with me, I directed all sofa-related puns towards you for clarificatoin
[21:10] <ikonia> how about stopping all "puns" as you where told to
[21:10] <ikonia> nocturnus: how do you know elky ?
[21:11] <nocturnus> She's the head organiser in #ubuntu-women
[21:11] <nocturnus> I used to go there a year ago
[21:11] <ikonia> ahh, so you would be known to her then
[21:12] <nocturnus> Not formally.
[21:12] <nocturnus> Certainly not by this alias
[21:12] <ikonia> she'll remember you
[21:12] <ikonia> oh really
[21:12] <ikonia> what alias
[21:12] <nocturnus> webchat aliases, I don't remember
[21:13] <ikonia> ok - what country are you in ?
[21:13] <nocturnus> Canada
[21:13] <ikonia> lets see if she remebers you and will vouch for your behaviour when she wakes up
[21:13] <ikonia> as I'm not convinced by your behaviour at all
[21:13] <nocturnus> This is quite rude, I know what you're trying to imply.
[21:13] <ikonia> what am I trying to imply ?
[21:14] <nocturnus> Well ... what can I say.
[21:14] <ikonia> I've just stated what I'm doing
[21:14] <nocturnus> 17:09:23 <+ikonia> oh really
[21:14] <ikonia> ?
[21:14] <nocturnus> It doesn't sound to me like you're 'just stating'. My english isn't great but I'm not socially stupid
[21:14] <ikonia> I have just stated what I'm doing
[21:15] <ikonia> I am asking elky if she remembers you to vouch for you as I'm not convinced by your behaviour
[21:15] <nocturnus> How could she 'remember' me provided I told you I was not introduced formally and that I used web-chat
[21:17] <ikonia> ok - now I don't believe you as I've just seen you've been muted in ##linux too for problematic behaviour
[21:17] <ikonia> so I'm going to leave the ban in place for a while, you can think about your behaviour
[21:18] <nocturnus> I was muted in #linux for telling people not to offer 100$ discounts on hardware
[21:18] <ikonia> that's not the case
[21:18] <nocturnus> This is why I meant you are implying more than you are saying.
[21:18] <ikonia> again - you're behaviour
[21:18] <ikonia> I'm not implying anything, I'm stating clearly
[21:18] <nocturnus> Please be fair.
[21:18] <ikonia> I am
[21:18] <nocturnus> You just jumped to conclusions based on my #linux 'behavior'
[21:19] <ikonia> no, it is in addition to your behaviour in #ubuntu
[21:19] <nocturnus> Seeing as you're in #
[21:19] <nocturnus> whoops
[21:19] <nocturnus> in #ubuntu, you could have easily given me a second chance
[21:19] <ikonia> I gave you 3 chances to stop going on about sofa's / offtopic
[21:19] <nocturnus> It can't be 'in addition' to my behavior in #ubuntu because that's the original case in question
[21:19] <ikonia> ok - I'm not playing this game
[21:20] <nocturnus> #ubuntu is the parent case, the additional case is #linux
[21:20] <ikonia> I'll state the situation
[21:20] <nocturnus> You just use circular reasoning to convict me!
[21:20] <nocturnus> I know the situation.
[21:20] <nocturnus> I'm banned until you are convinced.
[21:20] <ikonia> nocturnus: you where asked to stop being offtopic in #ubuntu - an example was mentioning sofas
[21:20] <ikonia> nocturnus: you did not stop so you where removed
[21:20] <nocturnus> Please ...
[21:20] <nocturnus> save your breath, I have a buffer on my IRC client ...
[21:21] <ikonia> nocturnus: I suspect your beahviour with your current nickname may be an attempt to hide previous bad behaviour on other nicks - but I'm not certain
[21:21] <ikonia> you're behaviour and banning in ##linux backs up that your behaviour in #ubuntu was not an accident or missunderstanding
[21:21] <ikonia> therefore I am leaving the ban in place at this time
[21:21] <nocturnus> ikonia: If you want to bring #linux into question, I have psi-jack to vouch for me, and he's a very knowledgeful regular
[21:22] <ikonia> I'm not brining ##linux into the equasion - they can do what they wish as their channel, however the fact that you got put on mute for similar behaviour to ubuntu suggests you know what you are doing
[21:38] <nocturnus> ikonia: sorry about that, I had to reconnect
[21:38] <nocturnus> Have you taken the time to consider a response to my last questions?
[21:38] <ikonia> no need to apologise, nothing more to say
[21:39] <nocturnus> Well a response to my questions would be delightful ...
[21:39] <ikonia> I didn't see a question
[21:39] <nocturnus> Hmm ... perhaps I am mistaken.
[21:39] <nocturnus> Oh wait I remember,
[21:39] <nocturnus> how long until I can put this fiasco behind me?
[21:40] <nocturnus> ... and rejoin #ubuntu?
[21:40] <ikonia> come back in a few days and we'll review it then
[21:40] <nocturnus> I don't think I'll be comming back at all, perhaps months into the future ..
[21:40] <ikonia> then why ask ?
[21:46] <ikonia> for the record psi-jack ##linux staff wouldn't vouch for him
[21:48] <elky> ikonia, sorry, i can only vouch for his existence, not his behaviour. He spent the other day informing #ubuntu-women how he was Alpha Male and a lot of people there got quite creeped out by this
[21:49] <ikonia> elky: stinks of someone like bacta
[21:50] <ikonia> his nick was registered in jan 2010
[21:50] <ikonia> the way he singled you out
[21:50] <elky> he singled me out because i booted him for proclaiming his alpha maleness
[21:50] <ikonia> ooh right
[21:50] <ikonia> he claimed he used to be in #ubuntu-women about a year ago
[21:51] <elky> i recall a similar nick that doesn't idle there permanently any longer, but unless he confirms it's only speculation
[21:52] <ikonia> odd, the guys in ##linux-ops where shocked he's asked them to vouch for him as they had pretty negative things to say
[21:52] <ikonia> and yet he found ##club-ubuntu straight away
[21:54] <elky> ikonia, did the ##linux-ops stuff seem based on recent times?
[21:54] <ikonia> yes
[21:55] <ikonia> he's only been registered sice jan 2010
[21:55] <ikonia> they didn't have much to go on
[22:25] <ikonia> !ping
[22:25] <ikonia> ubottu's hung