[01:06] <slangasek> UNE respun finished, new candidate posted
[01:06] <slangasek> s/respun/respin/
[01:07] <slangasek> others to follow ASAP
[01:30] <slangasek> KNR also posted
[01:44] <slangasek> Ubuntu desktop is up
[01:56] <cr3> slangasek: iso image?
[01:56] <slangasek> cr3: yes
[01:56] <cr3> slangasek: have there been a few respins today? I noticed that my activity queue for running jobs in certification is rather big today
[01:59] <cr3> battery is dying, back tomorrow
[01:59] <slangasek> cr3: prior to now, the last respin run was last night
[02:00] <cr3> slangasek: thanks, I'll have a closer look at my queue then to make sure it doesn't start overloading
[02:32] <tgm4883> I noticed on the QA site it lists the mythbuntu images as rebuilding, but the current/ folder for the daily live disk has 2 images in it. Should I expect that these two images are bad and I need to wait for the rebuilt ones, or would these images be good to start mirroring?
[02:32] <tgm4883> I ask, because I thought in the past that if there was a rebuild that the current/ folder gets emptied
[03:41] <slangasek> tgm4883: the current folder always has images in it, current doesn't mean candidate
[03:41] <slangasek> tgm4883: I've just posted the new mythbuntu candidates
[03:43] <slangasek> well - "always" has images in it; when it doesn't, it means the build failed and the scripts didn't notice
[03:43] <stgraber> hello, just arrived home after a whole evening of work in the server room at the office.
[03:44] <stgraber> I see that all DVDs are being rebuilt, any ETA ?
[03:45] <slangasek> stgraber: ETA of 30min for edubuntu
[03:46] <stgraber> ok, I'll see how awake I'm in 30min then. Worst case I'll e-mail highvoltage and hope he'll wake up earlier than me ;)
[03:46] <slangasek> hmm - sorry, not 30min, 45min
[03:48] <tgm4883> slangasek, thanks for the info
[04:41] <slangasek> stgraber: edubuntu up
[06:21] <ara> good morning all
[07:27] <sbeattie> hey ara.
[07:27] <ara> hey sbeattie :)
[07:28] <sbeattie> are you still in london?
[07:28] <ara> sbeattie, no, I arrived to Malaga yesterday afternoon
[07:28] <sbeattie> Ah, cool, just in time to burn out iso testing. :-)
[07:29] <sbeattie> ara: have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Plymouth ?
[07:29] <ara> sbeattie, I've seen some updates as i am subscribed to /Testing/*
[07:30] <ara> what is all about?
[07:31] <sbeattie> keybuk, slangasek, and possibly others spent today trying to fix plymouth issues and slangasek wanted to try to cover testing all the possible boot situations for plymouth.
[07:32] <sbeattie> since it's going on to the beta1 isos at the last minute
[07:42] <ara> sbeattie, ok
[07:42] <sbeattie> hrm, is the kubuntu bottom panel supposed to visible in the livecd environment?
[07:42] <ara> meaning, while installing?
[07:43] <sbeattie> no, just in the "try kubuntu before installing" environment.
[07:44] <ara> sbeattie, then, you're supposed to have a full environment, aren't you?
[07:44] <ara> sbeattie, can you imagebin?
[07:46] <sbeattie> ara: will do, one sec
[07:50] <sbeattie> ara: http://imagebin.org/89349
[07:52] <ara> sbeattie, indeed, that's a bug
[07:53] <ara> sbeattie, well, did you choose "try kubuntu" or you just let it timeout?
[07:53] <sbeattie> try kubuntu
[07:54] <ara> sbeattie, then it is a bug in casper, I guess. Can you reproduce?
[07:58] <ara> sorry, I had to kill xchat, sbeattie, I was asking if it is reproducible
[07:58] <sbeattie> ara, yep, reproducible in vbox/amd64, seeing if it i386 reproduces.
[07:58] <sbeattie> err, it reproduces on i386/vbox.
[07:58] <ara> sbeattie, :(
[07:59]  * sbeattie wonders if the small screen size is causing the panel not to display.
[08:00] <sbeattie> I'll try on live hardware in a bit.
[08:01] <ara> sbeattie, ok, thanks, I will try in KVM
[08:03] <sbeattie> yeah, reproduces in i386/vbox.
[08:18] <ara> sbeattie, I cannot reproduce in KVM
[08:18] <sbeattie> hunh
[08:18] <sbeattie> ara: what resolution is your kvm environment?
[08:20] <ara> sbeattie, not sure, but  higher than vbox's 800x600
[08:20] <ara> sbeattie, so it might be the resolution
[08:21] <sbeattie> yeah, I don't reproduce it on live hardware w/1440x960
[08:21] <sbeattie> so I don't think it's casper, but whatever the kde panel is.
[08:39] <ara> sbeattie, do you get graphical splash in vbox?
[08:40] <sbeattie> ara: no, I get a text based splash.
[08:41] <sbeattie> hrm, reconsidering how I answered the matrix
[08:41] <ara> sbeattie, me too, but, do you get sometimes fsck messages without having set the details mode
[08:41] <sbeattie> no, but I get other messages on the screen (broken pipe, ureadahead)
[08:42] <ara> sbeattie, ok, I get those too
[08:42] <ara> sbeattie, and I guess these are not supposed to be visible, are they?
[08:42] <sbeattie> no, they're not.
[08:43] <ara> sbeattie, is there a bug I can subscribe to?
[08:53] <sbeattie> ara: hrm, I can't find one, though I know keybuk knows about it.
[08:55] <sbeattie> best to file one, I guess.
[09:24] <slangasek> the fsck messages are bug #535108
[09:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 535108 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Hide console messages while Plymouth is running (affects: 10) (dups: 3)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535108
[09:24] <slangasek> morning, folks
[09:29] <slangasek> ara: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3833/442, the test case instructions say I should see a pop-up about incomplete language support and I didn't
[09:29] <slangasek> ara: is the testcase out of date, or is this a bug?
[09:30] <sbeattie> slangasek: hrm, these messages puke over the aubergine display, not before the splash shows up.
[09:30] <sbeattie> (which is what 535108 seems to be about, though it may just be different consequences of the same bug)
[09:30] <ara> slangasek, it should pop up, it is a bug
[09:31] <slangasek> sbeattie: same basic issue; the console is in text mode, so anything written to the console by another process gets shown
[09:31] <slangasek> wasn't "The Aubergine Display" a Pournelle novel?
[09:32] <sbeattie> slangasek: okay.
[09:32] <slangasek> ara: ok - what are the packages it's looking to be able to install?  language-support-es?
[09:32] <ara> slangasek, at least you're using the DVD
[09:32] <ara> slangasek, are you using the DVD?
[09:32] <slangasek> ara: no; Ubuntu desktop on USB
[09:34] <davmor2> ara: can you have a quick look at bug 540776 and confirm it if you agree please,  I figure this will be something that needs work pretty pronto if it is going to be fixed
[09:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 540776 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Gdm theme makes it impossible to see accessibility option (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540776
[09:35] <dpm> hey ara
[09:35] <dpm> hi everyone
[09:35] <ara> dpm, slangasek is having an issue with no network installations
[09:35] <slangasek> hi
[09:35] <dpm> hey slangasek
[09:35] <ara> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3833/442, the test case instructions say I should see a pop-up about incomplete language support and I didn't
[09:35] <ara>  ara: is the testcase out of date, or is this a bug?
[09:35] <davmor2> hello dpm
[09:35] <slangasek> after install in Spanish, I didn't get prompted about incomplete language support
[09:35] <davmor2> hello slangasek wfm on this notebook just
[09:35] <ara> what packages should be looking at to show (or not show) the pop up?
[09:36] <dpm> ara, it is a bug, we detected while testing the alpha-3. Let me find the bug no...
[09:36] <dpm> ara, I think it's between ubiquity and language-selector
[09:36] <davmor2> slangasek: scrap that I did an english install sorry
[09:37] <ara> launchpad bugs wishlist: in between packages bugs :D
[09:37] <dpm> :P
[09:37] <dpm> ara, slangasek, it's bug 527623
[09:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527623 in language-selector (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Notification of missing language support not shown after installation (affects: 1)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527623
[09:37] <dpm> heya davmor2
[09:40] <slangasek> dpm: ah, already targeted and milestoned - thanks
[09:42] <dpm> slangasek, no worries. Thanks for testing languages, I didn't do a very good job at testing localized installations on this milestone :/
[09:42] <sbeattie> hrm, is there a known bug for the kubuntu installer not finishing shutting down after installing?
[09:44] <slangasek> sbeattie: there was one that was supposed to have been fixed
[09:45] <slangasek> sbeattie: bug #526456
[09:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526456 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "shutdown does not work (affects: 2)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526456
[09:45] <sbeattie> slangasek: it didn't make it back to plymouth.
[09:45] <kermiac> hey davmor2 :) - bug 540776 looks like it's probably a dupe of bug 532844
[09:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 540776 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Gdm theme makes it impossible to see accessibility option (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540776
[09:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 532844 in light-themes (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Lucid: White symbols on light panel and Ubuntu Logo are difficult to see (affects: 14) (dups: 4)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532844
[09:47] <slangasek> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3834/51 - could use some contact info for 'starslights', to find out what his framebuffer config is (and confirm he's using the right image...)
[09:59] <slangasek> ara, davmor2: are you able to estimate how long it will take to test all the images?
[10:00]  * ara checks the current state
[10:02] <ara> slangasek, I guess that, if no major bugs are found, by 18UTC everything should be covered, except for things that normally people test on the other side of the ocean
[10:02] <slangasek> bladernr__: you marked bug #532047 as affecting beta alternate, which we know is not the case; can I get some more information from you about hardware config?  (a fresh bug filed with 'ubuntu-bug plymouth' from the affected machine is simplest)
[10:02] <slangasek> ara: ok, thanks
[10:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 532047 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Plymouth text-mode splash causes X to crash on first run due to shared tty7 (affects: 160) (dups: 35)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532047
[10:17] <davmor2> kermiac: Yay I hate launchpad search it sucks
[10:17] <kermiac> davmor2: I totally agree
[10:18] <kermiac> I've been using google to search LP for dupes lately. I was given this by another triager - "site:bugs.launchpad.net <search terms>"
[10:18] <kermiac> seems to work a lot better
[10:54] <davmor2> morning all
[10:54] <davmor2> again
[12:04] <stgraber> davmor2: can you do the LTSP tests ? if you do, I'll start downloading Edubuntu
[12:05] <davmor2> I can but not right now
[12:46] <moustafa> cr3, ara, fader_, davmor2, marjo, everyone else: Bonjour!
[12:47] <davmor2> moustafa: mornnig dude
[12:47] <ara> hey moustafa, morning
[12:47] <davmor2> morning cr3, fader_ you slacker wake up
[12:47] <cr3> moustafa: baguette!
[12:47] <moustafa> cr3: hon! hon!
[12:48] <moustafa> davmor2: Allons-y! Allonso!
[12:54] <moustafa> Wow...I wonder if anybody tried to install Ubuntu on one of these: http://www.cybernetman.com/en/products/zero-footprint-pc/zpc-gx31.cfm
[12:55] <davmor2> moustafa: you need to stop watching doctor who ;)
[12:56] <moustafa> davmor2: Which iteration?  Also *sonic screwdriver*
[12:57] <davmor2> stgraber: right going for a 64bit ltsp
[12:58] <stgraber> davmor2: great, thanks
[12:58] <stgraber> I'm doing edubuntu amd64 and highvoltage is doing 32bit
[12:58] <davmor2> stgraber: after lunch I'll try and fit in 32bit too
[13:00] <fader_> moustafa: That thing brings back unpleasant memories of the TRS-80.
[13:02] <moustafa> fader_: care to elaborate?
[13:02] <bladernr__> slangasek: bug 540897 opened per your request
[13:02] <cr3> fader_: I had memories of the C-64
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 540897 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "X/GDM crashes on first login attempt (sounds a LOT like the plymouth bug) (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540897
[13:02] <fader_> moustafa: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/trs80-colorcomputer/index.html
[13:03] <cr3> fader_: did you actually have a trs-80?
[13:03] <fader_> cr3: Oh yeah... my early computing experiences were divided between typing on a VT-220 hooked up to a Xenix mainframe and the Trash-80.
[13:05] <cr3> fader_: are you serious? the trs-80 is from the early 80s, either you're older than you look or you started freaking early
[13:05]  * cr3 was barely potty trained in the early 80s
[13:06]  * sbeattie shakes his head at you kids.
[13:06] <cr3> then again, who's to say I didn't get potty trained in my 20s
[13:06] <fader_> cr3: I could type before I could write with a pen/pencil.
[13:06] <fader_> Not *well* mind you, but still. :)
[13:06]  * davmor2 had a zx81 as his first computer
[13:07] <fader_> davmor2: Nice!  I've never actually played with one of those.
[13:07] <davmor2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX81
[13:07] <cr3> davmor2: sinclairs were much more popular in the uk, right?
[13:07] <davmor2> cr3: they were the only things around for a long while
[13:07] <cr3> sbeattie: you're so old, you get up at 6 in the morning :)
[13:08] <sbeattie> cr3: no, I'm about to call it end of wednesday.
[13:08]  * davmor2 wonders if me or sbeattie  is older :)
[13:09] <sbeattie> davmor2: I'm just slightly older than kwwii, if that helps you figure it out.
[13:09] <davmor2> goes of to the directory to find out :)
[13:11] <fader_> davmor2: http://www2.b3ta.com/heyhey16k/
[13:13] <davmor2> kicks directory for not displaying year
[13:21] <moustafa> this moment of old ggeksers remember the 80's was brought you by the number Pi and the croissant
[13:21] <moustafa> ggeksers should be geeksers
[13:21] <moustafa> And I can attest that cr3 has yet to be fully potty trained
[13:22] <moustafa> never has my parenting experience be put to the test in a professional environment as my time at Canonical
[13:26] <cr3> moustafa: that's why parenting was part of the job requirements
[13:27] <moustafa> cr3: That's what you said each time, even though I had not seen any written statement about it
[13:28] <slangasek> "change me, it's in your job description"?
[13:30] <cr3> slangasek: I was looking for the instinctive reflex of a parent to go into changing mode when there is a smell, so I wouldn't even need to ask... because that would be inappropriate :)
[13:32] <moustafa> slangasek:  Yeah, I'd be reading some code, then raise my head like an ostrich and look at cr3 while saying in a teasing voice: "Did you poop again?" and his little chuckle would say it all
[13:43] <stgraber> Edubuntu amd64 worked fine !
[13:45] <slangasek> huzzah
[13:48]  * highvoltage will start edubuntu i386 tests in about 2 minutes
[13:48] <davmor2> slangasek: me is just firing up thin client for ltsp 64bit
[13:49] <slangasek> bladernr_: followed up to the bug, please upgrade plymouth and re-test
[13:49] <bladernr_> slangasek:  you want I should update plymouth only, or try the latest ISOs instead?
[13:50] <slangasek> bladernr_: please also update http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3812/22 to point at your new bug instead of 532047
[13:50] <slangasek> bladernr_: there's no newer ISO of alternate
[13:50] <bladernr_> gotcha...
[13:50] <slangasek> this is actually the issue that we respun the desktop CDs for; didn't respin alternate because it only impacts the first login post-install
[13:51] <slangasek> (whereas for the desktop installer, a crashed X server could botch the whole process)
[13:52] <davmor2> stgraber: meh forgot to look, I'm assuming you still need to change the /etc/lstp/dhcp.conf from i386 to amd64 on 64bit.  I did it automatically
[13:53] <stgraber> davmor2: yes, you still need to do that on amd64
[13:53] <davmor2> phew
[13:53] <stgraber> davmor2: especially as Edubuntu will be shipping a pre-generated i386 chroot on the amd64 dvd, it'll actually start to make sense ;)
[13:55] <bladernr_> slangasek:  -17 got it.  upgraded and no more X crash on my Alternate install
[13:55] <slangasek> bladernr_: great, thanks
[13:56] <davmor2> stgraber: I just got the plymouth's dot cycling here on my client
[14:00] <stgraber> davmor2: what's the hardware in your client ?
[14:01] <davmor2> stgraber: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/pc-specs/hplappy.html
[14:02] <stgraber> ok, nvidia based then. I didn't have the chance to test that much these days
[14:02] <stgraber> do you happen to have an intel based computer around ?
[14:02] <stgraber> a netbook being the ideal ;)
[14:03] <slangasek> davmor2: how many display outputs do you have connected?
[14:05] <davmor2> slangasek: one notebook I'm just grabbing my netbook
[14:14] <davmor2> stgraber: that would work but atom processor's aren't 64bit D'oh
[14:15] <stgraber> davmor2: well some are but netbooks usually aren't indeed ...
[14:25] <davmor2> the only other intel box I got is an i686
[14:25] <davmor2> :(
[14:32] <highvoltage> hmm, "Running dpkg" took quite some time
[14:32] <highvoltage> is that normal?
[14:36] <highvoltage> Edubuntu i386 is fine
[14:59] <davmor2> slangasek: okay I've chrooted into the ltsp image I've updated plymouth and am rebuilding the image I'm gonna see if that fixes it if it does I'll write a bug with the step in
[15:00] <slangasek> davmor2: how did you get an ltsp image with an outdated plymouth?
[15:00] <davmor2> slangasek: it was on the cd
[15:00] <slangasek> which CD?
[15:00] <davmor2> alternate
[15:00] <davmor2> ubuntu
[15:00] <slangasek> ok
[15:31]  * davmor2 kicks box, then hops around the floor fsckin' sandles for slippers
[15:31] <davmor2> slangasek: this isn't doing anything ;(
[15:32] <slangasek> davmor2: you mean upgrading plymouth didn't change the behavior?
[15:33] <davmor2> slangasek: that is correct
[15:33] <slangasek> davmor2: what happens if you hit Alt+SysRq+K?
[15:34] <davmor2> slangasek: the dots stop cycling
[15:34] <slangasek> and nothing else?
[15:34] <davmor2> doesn't seem to be
[15:34] <slangasek> hmm
[15:35] <slangasek> special
[15:35] <slangasek> did you say this was nvidia?
[15:35] <davmor2> yeap http://www.davmor2.co.uk/pc-specs/hplappy.html
[15:36] <davmor2> slangasek: this also works fine as an installed system
[16:12] <ara> hggdh, ttx is complaining a bit about your last minute testcases at  #ubuntu-release ;-)
[16:15] <hggdh> ara, yes... such is life, I guess
[16:19] <slangasek> plars: hi, please see my followup to bug #540477
[16:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 540477 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "X restarted, but no .crash file (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540477
[16:20] <plars> slangasek: hmm, no I didn't. will take a look
[16:21] <plars> slangasek: I'll have to reinstall, I've had to blow away that system since this test to make use of the drive elsewhere
[16:21] <plars> slangasek: unfortunately this looks like it may be one of those "hard to reproduce" sort of bugs
[16:22] <slangasek> plars: booting the installer and running cat /proc/fb should be sufficient
[16:22] <plars> slangasek: will do
[17:52] <slangasek> ara, davmor2: how do things look?
[17:53] <davmor2> slangasek: sorry I've been off working
[17:53] <ara> slangasek, I am trying to finish some i386 tests
[17:53] <ara> stgraber, can you help with the edubuntu upgrades?
[17:59] <marjo_> slangasek: just finished kubuntu DVD i386 and reported dup bug
[18:00] <slangasek> marjo_: which bug?
[18:00] <marjo_> 538213
[18:00] <marjo_> slangasek: #538213
[18:01] <slangasek> marjo_: that bug should not be present on the kubuntu DVD...
[18:01] <marjo> slangasek: uh oh, when i read the bug description, matched my symptoms
[18:02] <marjo> slangasek: worth redoing & reporting new bug?
[18:02] <slangasek> marjo: yes, please report a new bug so we have it in your own words (and hopefully with apport data to go with it)
[18:02] <marjo> slangasek: ok, will do
[18:13] <slangasek> so looking at what's left on the board, I think we need to make the call to push the release back to tomorrow morning UTC
[18:14] <slangasek> I'll draft a mail to ubuntu-devel-announce to let people know, and as a CFT
[18:15] <slangasek> everyone testing, please continue helping us get there... but don't kill yourselves trying to hit a Thursday deadline :)
[18:22] <slangasek> btw, who's on Wubi duty this time around?
[18:22] <slangasek> davmor2: is that all you?
[18:29] <davmor2> slangasek: Yeah I can hit the wubis and m-a's I'm just installing alt 32 bit ltsp to see if it is a 64bit issue
[19:18] <sbeattie> stgraber: did you take edubuntu upgrades? I'm about to start in them...
[19:21] <marjo_> sbeattie: please go for them; it won't hurt do double up
[19:26] <davmor2> stgraber: can you have a look at ltsp on ubuntu dude.  On my netbook on i386 I get a kernel panic which I'm now wondering if it is the same issue on 64bit
[19:26] <davmor2> slangasek: ^
[19:30] <stgraber> sbeattie: I'd need to install edubuntu in a new VM first. So if you have something easily upgradable around, please feel free to do it.
[19:30] <stgraber> davmor2: Is that an Asus eeepc ?
[19:30] <davmor2> stgraber: compaq mini 110
[19:30] <sbeattie> stgraber: no, I have to do installs from scratch, sadly.
[19:31] <stgraber> davmor2: hmm, ok. Mine at home also kernel panic but similar hardware here at the office doesn't.
[19:31] <stgraber> davmor2: feel free to open a bug and attach the detailed hardware (lspci will do). I'll have a look at it.
[19:31] <stgraber> davmor2: I suspect we're missing a NIC driver or something since the last kernel.
[19:31] <stgraber> davmor2: Is that an Atlansic ethernet card by any chance ? (atl1e driver)
[19:32] <davmor2> stgraber: I'm getting the same thing on my laptop but it is syncing some stuff and it has an ip address
[19:32] <slangasek> marjo_: no bug report yet for your X crash on enter?
[19:33] <stgraber> ah, ok. I'll get an ubuntu alternate i386 here and run it on our libvirt cluster at revolution linux. I don't think it's related to LTSP itself but it might be some upstart/mountall/plymouth related issue (just guessing here ;)).
[19:34] <marjo_> slangasek: it's a dup = 540856
[19:34] <marjo_> sbeattie pointed it out to me
[19:35] <marjo_> i've modified my report in iso tracker
[19:35] <marjo_> marked it as serious
[19:35] <slangasek> marjo_: ah, so not a plymouth bug, how refreshing :)
[19:35] <marjo_> slangasek: no
[19:35] <davmor2> stgraber: yeah both boxes get an ip address and both sync some stuff and then seem to stop, but the netbook hadn't started plymouth so I could see what was going on :)
[19:36] <slangasek> marjo_: although, you filed that against the "debian-installer" test case, which is the alternate installer - I guess that's not what you were actually testing?
[19:41] <davmor2> stgraber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/541452
[19:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 541452 in ltsp (Ubuntu) "ltsp on ubuntu is crashing with a sync issue stopping the kernel from booting (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[19:42] <marjo_> test case=kubuntu DVD i386/install (debian-installer)/Debian-Installer Whole Drive
[19:42] <marjo_> slangasek: ^^^
[19:43] <slangasek> marjo_: yes; you could not have possibly run into bug #540856 with the alternate installer, the alternate installer doesn't use ubiquity
[19:43] <ubot4> slangasek: Bug 540856 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/540856 is private
[19:43] <slangasek> ubot4: liar
[19:43] <ubot4> Factoid 'liar' not found
[19:44] <slangasek> marjo_: so perhaps the test case directions are out-of-date for lucid, and led you into testing something else
[19:44] <marjo_> slangasek: i think you may be right
[19:54] <davmor2> slangasek: I'm off shopping now but I'll hit what wubi and m-a I can when I get back
[19:54] <slangasek> ok, cheers
[19:57] <davmor2> slangasek: just so you know wubi is at least doing something now which is more than yesterday morning
[19:57] <marjo_> slangasek: i'm redoing the test, just to make sure re test case instructions
[19:59] <slangasek> marjo_: ok - when the first screen shows up with the Ubuntu logo and the "keyboard makes happy man" icon at the bottom, press a key to get to the boot menu first, then look for the "Install Kubuntu in text mode" option
[20:00] <ameetp> Hi folks, I am trying the Lucid amd64 netboot test.  I have downloaded the mini.iso but during the install I don't get the option to select a distro flavour to install, does anyone know where that option shows up?
[20:00] <slangasek> marjo_: that's what should correspond to the test case; I imagine it will look very different from what you tested before
[20:00] <marjo_> slangasek: ack
[20:00] <davmor2> ameetp: right towards the end
[20:00] <davmor2> after setting up user etc
[20:01] <davmor2> ameetp: ^
[20:01] <ameetp> davmor2:  hmm okay, let me try again.  Thanks
[20:02] <marjo_> slangasek: you're right
[20:02] <slangasek> marjo_: ok, cool; so we should either tweak that test case so that it applies correctly to both DVD and alternate CDs, or else make a second test case for the DVD idiosyncracies
[20:16] <moonoi> Hi there?
[20:16] <fader_> moonoi: Hello
[20:17] <ameetp> davmor2: I finally saw it.  Thanks!  I got a little TAB key happy before ;)
[20:17] <moonoi> can i be of any help?
[20:18] <fader_> moonoi: Sure!  If you're interested in helping us test Beta 1, feel free to pop over to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com, create an account, and grab an image that needs testing.
[20:18] <marjo_> moonoi: welcome
[20:19] <fader_> moonoi: If you're interested in hanging around and helping test, there's plenty of info at http://qa.ubuntu.com as well
[20:19] <fader_> (And a mailing list, etc.)
[20:19] <marjo_> to be more specific: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested
[20:19] <fader_> moonoi: Feel free to ask any questions you have here as well!
[20:19] <fader_> marjo_: Ah, thanks -- good point
[20:19] <moonoi> ok taking a look now
[20:20] <marjo_> moonoi: thx!
[20:20] <moonoi> fader_: thanks
[20:21] <fader_> moonoi: No problem!  Welcome and thanks for pitching in :D
[20:24] <moonoi> would it be useful if i test in sun vbox? or you only interested in physical?
[20:25] <fader_> moonoi: VirtualBox is quite useful :)
[20:26] <moonoi> ok starting now
[20:26] <moonoi> :-)
[20:26]  * fader_ is running Mythbuntu tests in VirtualBox right now.
[20:26] <moonoi> im on a mac
[20:27] <Daviey> fader_: cool!
[20:27] <fader_> Daviey: Yeah, I <3 Mythbuntu :)  I have to do my testing in virtualbox because if I screw up the installed system, I'd be in Big Trouble with, er, the end users in my house.
[20:28] <moonoi> got the new i7 macbook pro ...:-) (jokin) hope it comes soon though
[20:31] <bladernr_> Oooooo.... I <3 the background and gdm screen for Studio...
[20:33] <fader_> moonoi: Regarding your upgrade... do you mean it is asking you to install edubuntu even though you have regular ubuntu installed already?
[20:35] <moonoi> no sorry my mistake, on the link you originally gave me that mentioned edubuntu
[20:35] <moonoi> now i have done the -d -c its doing the standard
[20:35] <fader_> moonoi: Okay, great :)
[20:39] <bladernr_> Ok... embarassingly stupid question, but how the heck do I do anything at all in KDE?  All I seem to be able to do is zoom the desktop in and out, and open some tool menu that lets me add "widgets" and Doodads and thingamabobbers...
[20:40] <marjo_> bladernr: click on the kde button bottom left hand corner
[20:40] <sbeattie> bladernr_: no bottom panel is bug 540810
[20:40] <marjo_> there you will see all the things you were looking for, i assume
[20:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 540810 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "kde panel does not display on 800x600 display (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540810
[20:41] <sbeattie> bladernr_: alt-f2 will bring up a search widget.
[20:41] <bladernr_> sbeattie:  that is probably exactly why KDE is driving me insane :)
[20:41] <sbeattie> you can run programs from that.
[20:41] <bladernr_> cool... thanks... you to marjo_
[20:42] <sbeattie> bladernr_: yes, I was quite confused for a bit about it, too.
[21:04] <hggdh> I am right now downloading the Ubuntu DVD, and will go thru the d-i test.
[21:04] <hggdh> the DVD tests are in need of help, BTW
[21:04] <moonoi> there is nothing on that untested link you gave me now...? am i too late
[21:04] <hggdh> moonoi: if you re willing, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/3842
[21:05] <ara> moonoi, you have to go to inprogress
[21:05] <ara> moonoi, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress
[21:05] <moonoi> ahh ok thanks :-)
[21:05] <moonoi> before i had a link for the upgrade testing
[21:05] <moonoi> now that seems to hav egone
[21:07] <sbeattie> hggdh: sadly, my wee little dsl line cannae take downloading the dvd images.
[21:11] <hggdh> sbeattie: I am finding this myself... at .7MB/s, it will still take me about 90 minutes...
[21:12] <bladernr_> sbeattie:  I noticed you had marked Kubuntu alternate 64 OEM as started... did you have problems at the end of oem-config?
[21:13] <sbeattie> bladernr_: um, refresh your browser? this last round of images I haven't touched oem-config.
[21:14] <sbeattie> I did have issues with it when I tried that test, but then the isos got respun and I've paged out the details of what went wrong.
[21:15] <bladernr_> mmmkay...
[21:26] <fader_> Anybody gotten a kubuntu OEM install working?  I don't seem to have the 'prepare for shipping' icon
[21:28] <sbeattie> fader_: I believe that's bug 386099
[21:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 386099 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "Kubuntu Netbook OEM install does not create a 'prepare for shipping' icon (affects: 1)" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386099
[21:28] <sbeattie> fader_: oh, that appears to be netbook only. Hrm.
[21:29] <fader_> sbeattie: Yeah, and I don't seem to have 'oem-config-prepare' either... at least not in my path
[21:30] <fader_> Indeed; 'locate oem' doesn't turn it up either
[21:30] <sbeattie> fader_: oh! wait, let me check lastlog on #ubuntu-release, I recall a discussion about that.
[21:30] <fader_> sbeattie: Awesome, thanks!
[21:30] <sbeattie> bug 540895
[21:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 540895 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "Kubuntu OEM install does not install oem-config (affects: 1)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540895
[21:37] <fader_> sbeattie: Thanks
[21:40] <bladernr_> fader_, sbeattie I just installed Kubuntu OEM from alternate
[21:40] <fader_> bladernr_: Were you able to do the oem config after install?
[21:41] <bladernr_> yep... the only issue I had was not getting KDM after doing the config.
[21:41] <bladernr_> I had to reboot the VM to login
[21:42] <bladernr_> bug 541546
[21:42] <ubot4> bladernr_: Error: Bug #541546 not found.
[21:42] <bladernr_> doh...
[21:44] <fader_> bladernr_: Hmm... did it create a desktop icon or did you run oem-config-prepare from the terminal?
[21:45] <bladernr_> I had the icon (was about the only thing I could do in KDE ;-)
[21:46] <fader_> Weird
[21:46] <bladernr_> even weirder... If filed a bug and it's not showing up in LP :(
[21:46] <fader_> Heheh
[21:46]  * fader_ wanders off to find some food.
[21:46] <fader_> I'll check back in a while
[21:50] <davmor2> slangasek: that could be a problem on wubi I'm in the grub command line :(
[21:54] <bladernr_> fader_:  bug 541539
[21:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 541539 in oem-config (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] after oem-config runs, X appears to hang, instead of restarting and launching KDM (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541539
[21:55]  * ara posts her last result for today and calls it a day
[21:55] <ara> night everyone!
[21:55] <davmor2> nn ara
[21:57] <sbeattie> ara: g'night!
[22:08] <sbeattie> oh, netboot install, you go so much faster when I preseed apt-cacher.
[22:09] <davmor2> :)
[22:09] <davmor2> cheat
[22:29] <umberto> hello, i need your help
[22:30] <hggdh> yes, umberto?
[22:31] <umberto> i have an ibook g4, i am downloading ubuntu-9.10-desktop-powerpc.iso, how can i make install it on a usb?
[22:32] <sbeattie> ameetp: do you have netboot kubuntu amd64 going?
[22:34] <bladernr_> is there any way on iso.qa to show a report of all the test cases I have done?  Or is that done by subscribing each time?
[22:36] <sbeattie> oh, hunh, no one's taken the kubuntu alt expert tests?
[23:08] <hggdh> weird. The d-i test on the lucid-dvd-amd64 started OK, then suddenly threw me at the d-i menu (at the install base system piece)
[23:16] <hggdh> this is getting even more confusing: the options to what to install shows options for an Ubuntu Server, not a desktop. I selected 'basic Ubuntu server', and installation proceeded
[23:16] <hggdh> BUT it is installing X
[23:17] <sbeattie> hggdh: erk?
[23:17] <sbeattie> hggdh: I didn't see that when going through tasksel.
[23:18] <hggdh> sbeattie: this is rather unexpected. I will wait for it to end, and will reinstall
[23:18] <fader_> Hey, you folks haven't finished off the ISOs yet? :)
[23:19] <sbeattie> fader_: saving the best tests for you, baby!
[23:19] <fader_> sbeattie: Heheh
[23:19] <fader_> Some of those are things like Wubi which I can't test :)
[23:19] <fader_> Looks like I can grab some kubuntu netbooks though
[23:19] <sbeattie> fader_: yeah, they need some love.
[23:20] <hggdh> I will be back in 30 min (meanwhile, installation proceeds... bumping left and right
[23:20]  * sbeattie is wrapping up the kubuntu alt expert tests and then needs to bail for a while.
[23:20] <fader_> Hmm, there are a few to do... BRB, going to disconnect and move to a more comfy chair
[23:22] <davmor2> fader_: wubi is broken
[23:22] <davmor2> fader_: I just thought I'd make it feel like old times for you :P
[23:23]  * davmor2 thinks fader_ should sit on a spike as a motivator ;)
[23:29] <fader_> davmor2: Thanks, good to know I'm cared for :P
[23:29] <fader_> davmor2: Plus shouldn't you be in bed by now?
[23:30] <davmor2> fader_: broken wubi
[23:30] <davmor2> fader_: trying to get a fix but I think the devs might of given up too
[23:31] <fader_> Ugh
[23:38] <davmor2> fader_: I'm writing a bug for this and going to bed
[23:38] <fader_> davmor2: Sounds good man... get some sleep
[23:44] <davmor2> night all
[23:49]  * sbeattie vanishes as well.
[23:55] <bladernr_> Ok... that was just bizarre...  Installed Studio 64 from the alternate CD... after install and reboot, it booted straight into Memtest86...
[23:57] <fader_> ... wow.
[23:57] <fader_> Something messed up in the grub config maybe?
[23:57] <bladernr_> maybe...  if that's the case, I don't know what caused it... All I did was install the sound processing stuff and default for everything else...  booting rescue to check it out.