[00:42] <HedgeMage> Ping, anybody with a free moment to help me test gobby.
[07:47] <alkisg> !info chromium-browser karmic
[07:47] <ubottu> Package chromium-browser does not exist in karmic
[07:47] <alkisg> !info chromium-browser lucid
[07:47] <ubottu> chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.0.307.9~r39052-0ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 10920 kB, installed size 37380 kB
[07:53] <alkisg> !info gyp karmic
[07:53] <ubottu> Package gyp does not exist in karmic
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[14:05] <mgariepy> morning everyone
[15:09] <highvoltage> morning mgariepy!
[15:13] <mgariepy> who you doing highvoltage ?
[15:14] <highvoltage> no one unfortunately :/
[15:15] <highvoltage> mgariepy: heh no it's going good. planning my day (even though it's already past 5pm)
[15:16] <mgariepy> planning your friday evening ?
[15:19] <mgariepy> when do you expect to be over here ?
[15:22] <highvoltage> mgariepy: I'm waiting for my passport back with the visa in. the embassy doesn't provide any feedback so I have no idea yet whether it's approved yet or not
[15:22] <highvoltage> mgariepy: they've had all the information they need for a while now, I hoped that I would get it in the post this week but it didn't come
[15:23] <mgariepy> ok
[15:23] <highvoltage> mgariepy: it's a bit discouraging, hopefully it's in the post next week now
[15:23] <mgariepy> i hope so.
[15:23] <highvoltage> once I have it I'll just need a few days to tie some loose ends and then I'll come over
[20:24] <joerg> hi
[21:31] <Lns> please, oh please, let's not let this happen in the final release... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633
[21:31] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 532633 in metacity "[light-theme] please revert the order of the window controls back to "menu:minimize,maximize,close"" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:33] <alkisg> It actually makes more sense when they're on the left
[21:34] <Lns> how, when they've been on the right since....?? forever?
[21:34] <stgraber> minimize the mouse traveling distance quite a lot
[21:35] <alkisg> I do prefer them on the right. But, if they're to be on the left, the new order of the buttons makes more sense
[21:39] <Lns> stgraber: how do you figure?
[21:47]  * inetpro moved minimize, maximize and exit buttons on kubuntu to the left and actually like it
[21:50] <Lns> I would hate to be the one to tell my users "Oh, you'll like it this way" when most of them are using Windows at home and have to go back and forth
[21:50] <Lns> not to use windows as an excuse..it's just "known" that the right is where its always been
[21:51]  * inetpro agrees with stgraber, my general experience is that my mouse is usually closer to the left than to the right
[21:51] <inetpro> Lns: the only constant thing in life is change. Get over it.
[21:52] <Lns> inetpro: I guess so...which means i'll be "changing" from having a contract with a school district to "not" having one =p
[21:52] <inetpro> I've had my buttons switched like this for only one day and expect to keep them like this
[21:53] <Lns> For us it's an easy thing to get used to..for teachers, ....that is a much different story
[21:53] <Lns> as ironic as it is, teachers are the least likely to want to learn something new.
[21:53] <inetpro> Lns: heh, tell me about it
[21:54] <Lns> And how bout this - inconsistency with apps that don't use wm widgets
[21:54] <Lns> inconsistency with every other wm/de in linux
[21:54] <inetpro> the sad part is that they are the ones who think they know it all
[21:55] <Lns> well of course =)
[21:55] <Lns> I dunno, i'm probably making a bigger deal out of it than it is, but...jeez i'm gonna make sure that gconf key is set before anyone sees it =p
[21:56] <inetpro> Lns: I think it's worth a try to put the buttons on the left, it's not difficult to adapt to that
[21:56] <inetpro> people are making way to much of this issue
[21:56] <Lns> inetpro: I agree, I will probably keep it on the left for myself..i'm just thinking about the support call flood
[21:57] <inetpro> trust me, usability guys were involved in the decision
[21:57] <Lns> I'd like to at least hear some real answers as to WHY such a drastic change was committed, hours before FF
[21:57] <Lns> by usability guys
[21:57] <inetpro> Lns: is it really so drastic as people say it is?
[21:58] <Lns> and nobody could contest it
[21:58] <Lns> inetpro: look at the bug report.
[21:58] <inetpro> Lns: I've seen it and it's ludicrous
[21:58] <Lns> Shuttleworth himself is involved in it. that means its a big deal to people
[21:58] <inetpro> people hate change, it's as simple as that
[21:58] <Lns> of course they do
[21:58] <Lns> so why force them to?
[21:58] <inetpro> shuttleworth was making good points and I agree with him
[22:02] <inetpro> Lns: at some point somebody has to make a decision
[22:03] <inetpro> there are many different specialised teams for every small bit of development in the development lifecycle of open source software
[22:04] <inetpro> and what I have seen is that its open for anybody to take part
[22:05] <inetpro> teams have regular meetings, and that is where the decisions are made
[22:06] <inetpro> ultimately if users really don't like the change they may very well revert to the original, but I think it's worth a try
[22:07] <Lns> at least i sure hope they make it easy to revert w/o having to use gconf. That's gonna make a bunch of normal users really unhappy toward ubuntu
[22:14] <alkisg> It'll be difficult for courses too
[22:14] <alkisg> There's lot of written books with the buttons on the right... hard to rewrite them
[23:02] <Lns> Just seems like such a core thing to change just on the fly like that. Like when supermarkets just all of the sudden change their store layout for no apparent reason