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darkwing-cell | nixternal: ping | 00:15 |
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Fersure | Why is there no 'news' item about Beta1 being released? | 01:34 |
Fersure | o.o | 01:34 |
Fersure | Has it not been released yet? | 01:35 |
Riddell | indeed not | 01:35 |
NCommander | Fersure: delayed 24 hours | 01:40 |
Fersure | ah | 01:40 |
Fersure | well, it's the 19th now. :o | 01:52 |
Fersure | At what time are pre-releases usually released? | 02:06 |
Fersure | Or is there no specific time? | 02:18 |
nhandler | Fersure: Probably not until the people in Europe wake up and get things ready | 02:38 |
Fersure | nhandler: ah. I'm UTC and it's currently 3:08am. | 03:08 |
robinp | where can I pull the beta ISOs from? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview has only bad links | 07:08 |
persia | robinp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html | 07:11 |
robinp | persia: roger, I guess I'll just hang round here until it appears :) | 07:12 |
persia | robinp: If you have time, and want to help test, that would be appreciated (and help get it out that much faster). | 07:13 |
robinp | persia: thats absolutely why i'm waiting for it! I'm also keeping an eye on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidFileSharing -> I'm primarily interested in support for Apple File Protocol | 07:15 |
persia | Well, depends on your appetite for rough edges, but if you don't mind a few extra bugs, you can certainly help test the pre-release candidates. | 07:17 |
persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures outlines the procedures for doing candidate testing. | 07:18 |
persia | If the candidate works well enough, it may be the beta. If it fails miserably, beta may take more time. | 07:18 |
persia | Err, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/ISO/Procedures looks prettier :) | 07:19 |
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Fersure | anyone around? | 08:31 |
Fersure | my user/pass for brainstorm isn't working for the iso.qa site | 08:31 |
Fersure | yet it says "The user accounts are shared across all of the Ubuntu QA websites including qa.ubuntu.com, brainstorm.ubuntu.com and every sub-domains of qa.ubuntu.com (as iso.qa.ubuntu.com)." | 08:31 |
persia | Fersure: I think there are more admins for that in #ubuntu-testing (although I could be mistaken). | 08:33 |
persia | The brainstorm account *should* work for iso.qa. | 08:33 |
Fersure | okay. | 08:36 |
Tonio_ | hi there | 09:34 |
apachelogger | ahoy Tonio_ | 09:50 |
Tonio_ | apachelogger: do you know if we'll get some new kubuntu artwork too ? | 09:50 |
apachelogger | Tonio_: a logo we will get | 09:53 |
apachelogger | artwork we do have | 09:53 |
apachelogger | ^^ | 09:53 |
shadeslayer | hmm.. there seems to be slight problem with installation of wicd | 09:56 |
shadeslayer | it doesnt remove the kde network manager | 09:56 |
apachelogger | it should remove network-manager | 09:57 |
apachelogger | not knetworkmanager directly | 09:57 |
shadeslayer | both of them should conflict with each other | 09:57 |
apachelogger | well | 09:57 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: my point exactly | 09:57 |
apachelogger | then I suppose knm now supports wicd too :P | 09:57 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: :P | 09:57 |
shadeslayer | oh and the synaptic touchpad works horribly | 09:58 |
shadeslayer | lockups all over the place.... | 09:58 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: I think that you need to tell to people in #ubuntu-x | 09:58 |
apachelogger | or better yet report a bug i suppose | 09:58 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: this is the same issue when jaunty came out | 09:59 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: lucid is not out :P | 09:59 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: and to prevent the issue from being in the final youd need to report it somewhere | 09:59 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: yes i know but i meant that its was a known issue in jaunty | 09:59 |
persia | and follow-up with any information or testing requests. | 09:59 |
shadeslayer | yeah doing that right away | 09:59 |
shadeslayer | persia: would be glad too | 10:00 |
Tonio_ | apachelogger: did I miss the plymouth kubuntu work then ? | 10:00 |
Tonio_ | apachelogger: I get the ubuntu one here | 10:00 |
apachelogger | Tonio_: no, we do not have anything there yet | 10:00 |
Tonio_ | apachelogger: kk :) that answers my question | 10:01 |
apachelogger | IIRC someone is supposed to be working on that... or maybe we are waiting for the new logo | 10:01 |
apachelogger | I defenitely know that Riddell decided to use the ubuntu one for now ^^ | 10:01 |
Tonio_ | apachelogger: probably | 10:01 |
shadeslayer | gah... the touchpad module in kcm disabled my touchpad when i increased the sensitivity | 10:02 |
shadeslayer | yeah... setting it to high disables it | 10:03 |
shadeslayer | eh,how is this a kdebase issue ?? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/541737 | 10:08 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 541737 in kdebase-workspace "Plymouth dont work correctly" [Undecided,New] | 10:08 |
apachelogger | Riddell: is the upgrade utility qt4 or just not using oxygen? | 10:11 |
apachelogger | http://picasaweb.google.com/apachelogger/Misc#5450300848188969762 | 11:14 |
apachelogger | fear ze mighty microman | 11:14 |
apachelogger | muahahah | 11:14 |
nixternal | I am up way to early | 11:14 |
apachelogger | >:D | 11:14 |
apachelogger | nixternal: you are just in time for lunch :P | 11:14 |
nixternal | 06:15 :( | 11:14 |
apachelogger | you clock is off | 11:14 |
apachelogger | 12:14 it is | 11:14 |
apachelogger | kubotu: time | 11:15 |
kubotu | apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Fri Mar 19 12:16 CET | 11:15 |
apachelogger | see | 11:15 |
apachelogger | :P | 11:15 |
* apachelogger is upgrading to lucid | 11:15 | |
apachelogger | :/ | 11:15 |
nixternal | hrmm, thought you were more than 6 hours ahead of me for some reason | 11:15 |
apachelogger | I am a bit shaky | 11:15 |
apachelogger | kubotu: time nixternal | 11:16 |
kubotu | nixternal is an unknown time. | 11:16 |
apachelogger | hm | 11:16 |
apachelogger | ^^ | 11:16 |
apachelogger | kubotu: help time | 11:16 |
kubotu | time <time zone> to get the local time of a certain location. <time zone> can be <Continent/City> or <two character country code>. time <nick> to see the local time of that person if their time zone is set. time admin set <nick> <time zone> to set the time zone for another user. time [admin] reset [nick] to let the bot forget about the tzinfo about someone | 11:16 |
apachelogger | kubotu: time admin set nixternal Chicago | 11:16 |
kubotu | Chicago is an invalid timezone. Format is Continent/City or a two character country code. | 11:16 |
apachelogger | kubotu: time admin set nixternal America/Chicago | 11:17 |
kubotu | Ok, I'll remember that nixternal is on the America/Chicago timezone | 11:17 |
a|wen | nixternal: you already switched to summer time while we haven't done that yet ... so temporarily closer ;) | 11:17 |
apachelogger | kubotu: time nixternal | 11:17 |
kubotu | America - Chicago - Fri Mar 19 06:18 CDT | 11:17 |
apachelogger | omg!!! | 11:17 |
apachelogger | nixternal: you are up way too early | 11:17 |
apachelogger | a|wen: ah, that makes sense | 11:17 |
apachelogger | you know | 11:17 |
apachelogger | the updater is quite the uglyness | 11:18 |
apachelogger | 1. it is qtonly | 11:18 |
apachelogger | 2. it does not use oxygen | 11:18 |
apachelogger | 3. it references synaptic?! | 11:18 |
a|wen | apachelogger: yeah ... for some reason they chose to de-syncronize summer time; more fun and games in timezone world, he | 11:18 |
apachelogger | 4. the dialogs are inconstent IMHO | 11:18 |
apachelogger | needs gsoc project :P | 11:18 |
nixternal | yeah, instead of -06:00 we are now -05:00 | 11:18 |
apachelogger | a|wen: dst needs to be dropped anyway | 11:19 |
* a|wen nods | 11:19 | |
a|wen | apachelogger: in general the updater looks okay here; can't tell if it is styled differently than the rest of my apps ... but yeah, the dialogs could use some love | 11:21 |
ScottK | Riddell: Do you mind if I split out the binaries in kdebase-workspace a little more? When I did the split for 4.4, I missed at least one. The only rdepend it will affect is plasma-mobile and I'll make sure that gets taken care of. | 11:21 |
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apachelogger_ | kubotu: hi | 11:30 |
kubotu | hola, apachelogger_! | 11:30 |
jussi01 | o/ apachelogger_ | 11:30 |
ScottK | apachelogger_: I'm curious for your opinion on reverting http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1025437 - It seems responsible for a lot of .Xsessions-errors spamming. | 11:33 |
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ScottK | Riddell: ^^^ same question for you? | 11:51 |
Riddell | ScottK: if that's the cause of bug 540944 I'm all for it | 11:58 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 540944 in kde4libs "kde debugging enabled by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540944 | 11:58 |
Riddell | ScottK: worth asking dfaure what his intention was though | 11:58 |
apachelogger_ | yeah | 11:58 |
apachelogger_ | also | 11:58 |
apachelogger_ | we can regulate debuggingness via one config file | 11:58 |
apachelogger_ | that then can be changed on a per-user basis via kdebugdialog | 11:58 |
apachelogger_ | that would be what we had before, I think that was archived via some cmake option though | 11:59 |
apachelogger_ | or a patch to kdebase-runtime | 11:59 |
* apachelogger_ cant really remember ^^ | 11:59 | |
apachelogger_ | ScottK: debian sure would know since they made it not do debug spam | 11:59 |
ScottK | apachelogger_: Debian has this problem now too. I found that commit from their IRC discussions. | 12:00 |
apachelogger_ | ScottK: well, I would go talk to dfaure about it | 12:00 |
ScottK | Riddell: MoDaX already poked dfaure, so I'll ask him to let us know what he finds out. | 12:01 |
ScottK | apachelogger_: ^^ | 12:01 |
apachelogger_ | but from where I stand we simply need to drop a config in either /etc or kubuntu-default-settings | 12:01 |
Riddell | 08_add_debian_build_type.diff in kde4libs is ment to turn off debugging by default | 12:02 |
apachelogger_ | Riddell: that is what dfaure worked around with that commit :) | 12:03 |
ScottK | Riddell: You can see the discussion about 3 hours ago on #debian-qt-kde (I assume you have it in your backscroll) | 12:03 |
Riddell | yes, maybe he decided to use distro packages one day and got annoyed debugging wasn't on by default | 12:04 |
apachelogger_ | well, he just needs to run kdebugdialog and tick all :P | 12:05 |
Riddell | I think this may not be how dfaure approaches a problem :) | 12:06 |
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apacehlogger | Riddell: true :D | 12:06 |
Riddell | Nightrose: how do I say "Kubuntu 10.04 will be the first LTS with KDE 4" in new branding terms? | 12:22 |
ScottK | Heh. | 12:23 |
shadeslayer | apacehlogger: reported : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/541868 | 12:47 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 541868 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Synaptic touchpad has soft lockups in lucid" [Undecided,New] | 12:47 |
Zorael | Was the tray icon for the network management widget changed, or is my icon cache borked? (from the experimental ppa) | 12:59 |
apacehlogger | hm | 13:00 |
apacehlogger | agateau: is it a known bug that the context menu stuff for kopete overlaps itself? | 13:00 |
apacehlogger | i.e. if I move over an entry with sub menu, that menu will place itself ontop of the present one and prevent me from going back | 13:00 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: oh do you have a nvidia card? | 13:00 |
shadeslayer | apacehlogger: the wicd bug is apparently known : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/527896 | 13:01 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 527896 in wicd "missing info about conflict with network-manager package" [Undecided,New] | 13:01 |
shadeslayer | apacehlogger: btw the kubuntu experimental ppa,whats it all about? | 13:03 |
apacehlogger | experimental stuff | 13:03 |
shadeslayer | ah ok... | 13:04 |
apacehlogger | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs#Kubuntu Experimental | 13:04 |
Zorael | shadeslayer: No, intel graphics (netbook) | 13:04 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: hmm.. well in nvidia cards all the icons are borked... maybe intel has the same issue? | 13:04 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: http://imagebin.ca/view/bMucXTDn.html | 13:05 |
Zorael | shadeslayer: Perhaps borked is a poor choice of words, this looks very intentional - sec, I'll upload a screenshot | 13:07 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: hehe,i meant icons are all scrambled | 13:07 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: i filed a bug against this a few days ago... | 13:07 |
Zorael | shadeslayer: http://bayimg.com/CalMmAAcf | 13:08 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: wheres the problem? | 13:09 |
Zorael | shadeslayer: The tray icon didn't use to look like that; it used to look like the wlan essid entries' icon. The current tray icon looks like something I replaced knetworkmanager's icon with earlier (taken from kde-look) but since removed, and suddenly it returns and hijacks the widget's | 13:10 |
Zorael | hence wondering if it's changed or if my icon cache is messing with me .3 | 13:10 |
Zorael | :3* | 13:10 |
shadeslayer | oh... | 13:10 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: tried refreshing the whole KDE cache? | 13:11 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: is this where kdeartwork would show up? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/report.html | 13:11 |
shadeslayer | weird : http://pastebin.ca/1845664 | 13:11 |
Zorael | shadeslayer: No, I don't know the command for that, I tried deleting stuff in the cache directory but it didn't change even after a plasma-desktop restart | 13:11 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: yes. it disappeared! | 13:12 |
JontheEchidna | :) | 13:12 |
apacehlogger | magic | 13:12 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: use kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental | 13:12 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: hows the nm in experimental ppa? | 13:14 |
Zorael | shadeslayer: still looks the same. The icon in the tooltip looks right, but the icon itself is as in the screenshot. (Hence my wondering if it's intentional) | 13:14 |
shadeslayer | Zorael: um youll need to close the nm in order to see the changes.. | 13:15 |
shadeslayer | afaik... | 13:15 |
Zorael | shadeslayer: I restarted plasma-desktop, thought that'd be enough | 13:15 |
shadeslayer | hmm that is enough... | 13:16 |
shadeslayer | i just hate my trackpad right now | 13:16 |
apacehlogger | throw it out the window! | 13:16 |
apacehlogger | ^^ | 13:16 |
Zorael | shadeslayer: as for how stuff from experimental works; fine so far, except for some minor packaging issues. Can't install the -pptp package, for one; | 13:16 |
Zorael | plasma-widget-networkmanagement-pptp: Depends: knm-runtime (= 0.9~svn1102346-0ubuntu1~ppa2) but 0.9~svn1102346-0ubuntu1~ppa4 is installed. | 13:16 |
shadeslayer | apacehlogger: i gave it to LP for fixing :D | 13:16 |
apacehlogger | Sput: uhh the new highlight animation rox! | 13:16 |
* apacehlogger didnt see highlights half the time with the old animation | 13:17 | |
shadeslayer | apacehlogger: highlights? | 13:17 |
Sput | apacehlogger: and the statusnotifier stuff even animates the blinking :) | 13:17 |
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apachelogger | all so blingy | 13:17 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: irc highlights | 13:17 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: with quassel? | 13:17 |
apachelogger | yes | 13:18 |
shadeslayer | ah ok.. | 13:18 |
shadeslayer | hardly use quassel.. only in college,since idk how to set up irssi with a proxied net | 13:18 |
shadeslayer | A icon on the desktop in the live CD would be nice though | 13:18 |
shadeslayer | pointing the user to the right support channels | 13:19 |
shadeslayer | brb | 13:21 |
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shadeslayer | hmm... shouldnt the nm plasma widget show that its connected to a wired network? | 13:29 |
shtylman | Riddell: have any logo breakthroughs while you slept? :) | 13:34 |
shadeslayer | shtylman: dont think so | 13:35 |
davmor2 | shtylman: did you get the kubuntu/wubi bug? | 13:35 |
shtylman | davmor2: I see it, im not too familiar with wubi | 13:36 |
shtylman | what it does or how it works | 13:36 |
shtylman | wouldn't it just launch the regular installer? | 13:38 |
davmor2 | shtylman: I don't think it is actually wubi at fault, basically it calls ubiquity in an automatic install mode and it's that bit that is broken as I understand it have a word with evan though and I'm sure he can bring you up to speed :) | 13:38 |
shtylman | or does it launch it in some different way | 13:38 |
shtylman | davmor2: gotcha.. ok we will look into that | 13:38 |
Tonio_ | hum ppas broken ? | 13:41 |
Tonio_ | seems like the ftp server is down | 13:41 |
agateau | apachelogger: yes, known bug which I need to fix | 13:43 |
agateau | (sorry for the delay, was away) | 13:43 |
shadeslayer | btw any ideas when beta 1 will be released? it was supposed to be yesterday :P | 13:50 |
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apachelogger | agateau: k :) | 13:58 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer_: when it is ready :P | 13:58 |
Riddell | agateau: we had another issue that if you disable the systray icon in kmix it doesn't disappear, just becomes inactive | 13:59 |
agateau | Riddell: not sure whether this was intentional or not | 14:00 |
agateau | Riddell: but can be fixed | 14:00 |
agateau | Riddell: will ask kmix maintainer before | 14:00 |
agateau | s/before/first | 14:00 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna found it, not sure if he had the same issue in other apps | 14:01 |
JontheEchidna | yeah, in the print-manager print daemon, currently in playground | 14:01 |
JontheEchidna | it deletes the statusnotifieritem to make it go away | 14:01 |
JontheEchidna | leaving a dead icon | 14:01 |
JontheEchidna | though right now I can't say I have any statusnotifieritems. They're all boring old tray icons now :( | 14:02 |
agateau | JontheEchidna: if the ksni instance is deleted, the icon should go away | 14:05 |
agateau | JontheEchidna: there is a bug if it does not | 14:05 |
JontheEchidna | agateau: To reproduce with KMix, go to the KMix settings, change any option and hit "OK" | 14:05 |
JontheEchidna | that will cause kmix to delete and create a new KSNI | 14:05 |
JontheEchidna | leaving the old kmix icon around, that will do nothing except show its old tooltip/menu | 14:06 |
JontheEchidna | and I don't think it created the new one last time I tested | 14:06 |
agateau | JontheEchidna: it works here | 14:06 |
JontheEchidna | it didn't work for me or Riddell the other day | 14:07 |
agateau | JontheEchidna: but my system has not been updated since at least one week | 14:07 |
JontheEchidna | since a few days ago, none of my tray icons are ksni's anymore, so I can't test anymore :( | 14:07 |
ScottK | shadeslayer_: There was a one day delay announced to finish testing. | 14:07 |
agateau | JontheEchidna: might be a dbus namespace issue | 14:08 |
agateau | will have a look | 14:08 |
JontheEchidna | Thanks | 14:08 |
Sput | agateau: did the StatusNotifier spec move to fdo yet? | 14:09 |
agateau | Sput: no | 14:09 |
Sput | k | 14:09 |
shadeslayer_ | ScottK: apachelogger ah ok | 14:18 |
shadeslayer_ | ikonia: ssup with your connection ? :P | 14:20 |
JontheEchidna | ScottK: You said you'll have a kdebase-workspace upload later today? | 14:28 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: Yes. | 14:29 |
JontheEchidna | ScottK: I might have a fix for bug 439627 in a bit | 14:29 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 439627 in qbzr-eclipse "Running update should refresh effected projects" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439627 | 14:29 |
JontheEchidna | hum | 14:29 |
JontheEchidna | ScottK: I might have a fix for bug 539627 in a bit | 14:30 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 539627 in kdebase-workspace "ksplash disappears before plasma-netbook loaded" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539627 | 14:30 |
ScottK | If you have stuff, just stick in in bzr and I'll pull the updates. | 14:30 |
JontheEchidna | k | 14:30 |
ScottK | Cool. | 14:30 |
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JontheEchidna | basically plasma-desktop tells ksmserver to keep kplash around for a little longer, and tells it to resume once it's loaded the wallpaper. plasma-netbook doesn't do this (yet) | 14:31 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: how does it do that? | 14:31 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: a dbus call | 14:31 |
ScottK | Nice. | 14:32 |
JontheEchidna | this is how plasma-desktop does things: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/desktop/shell/plasmaapp.cpp?r1=1044495&r2=1044494&pathrev=1044495 | 14:32 |
JontheEchidna | I'm porting the patch to -netbook | 14:32 |
Riddell | clever | 14:32 |
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* shadeslayer_ wonders if he should install gnome as well... | 14:37 | |
shadeslayer_ | havent tried it out in a while.. | 14:37 |
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shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: wth! amarok still doesnt depend on libssl-dev ! | 14:40 |
shadeslayer_ | im compiling from git | 14:40 |
shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1845730 | 14:41 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: I just pushed what I have so far to bzr, so please base your work off that. | 14:44 |
shadeslayer_ | oh yay.. ubuntu released beta 1 :D | 14:58 |
ejat | shadeslayer_: upgrade already? | 15:14 |
shadeslayer_ | ejat: dunno... | 15:15 |
shadeslayer_ | lemme check | 15:16 |
shadeslayer_ | ejat: heres the dent : qB%.B`{w | 15:16 |
shadeslayer_ | oi | 15:16 |
shadeslayer_ | : #Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Beta 1 Out for Testing - The #Lucid #Lynx Chronicles - Softpedia http://ur1.ca/qjxa | 15:16 |
ejat | ? | 15:16 |
ejat | :) | 15:16 |
shadeslayer_ | ejat: :D | 15:17 |
shadeslayer_ | ejat: ah now i understand why the main servers kept timing out | 15:18 |
shadeslayer_ | too much load due to the update/upgrade | 15:19 |
ejat | yeah .. im also doing it now .. with a slower connection .. in hometown village .. using broadband ... | 15:20 |
ejat | a few day here .. b4 going back to town with a better broadband connection :) | 15:20 |
shadeslayer_ | :) | 15:22 |
shadeslayer_ | bl | 15:24 |
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ScottK | Riddell: You're planning on covering the release meeting for Kubuntu? | 16:41 |
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Riddell | yes indeedy | 16:41 |
ScottK | OK. | 16:41 |
Riddell | report at bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus if you have anything to add | 16:42 |
ScottK | It'd be nice to give doko a thank you for fixing qt4-x11 on IA64. Looking. | 16:42 |
Riddell | blamo http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-beta-1 | 16:43 |
davmor2 | Riddell: you forgot the wubi = fail | 16:45 |
Riddell | davmor2: forgot where? | 16:45 |
davmor2 | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LucidLynx/Beta1/Kubuntu | 16:45 |
Riddell | adding | 16:47 |
ScottK | whoever owns http://twitter.com/kubuntu_news ought to get busy. | 16:48 |
persia | Isn't that just done with bot wranging? | 16:50 |
persia | l | 16:50 |
ScottK | No idea. | 16:51 |
ScottK | Riddell: You're on. | 16:54 |
JontheEchidna | From what I can tell, ksplash is going away before plasma-netbook even starts :/ | 16:58 |
Riddell | ScottK: seems that twitter account is linked from the identi.ca/kubuntu account | 16:59 |
ScottK | Any idea who has that one? | 16:59 |
Riddell | ScottK: what this about splitting kdebase-workspace? | 17:00 |
ScottK | kubuntunetbook is done by me on both. | 17:00 |
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Riddell | ScottK: I have identi.ca/kubuntu, it's updated | 17:00 |
ScottK | Riddell: We need to split libplasmagenericshell out of workspace-bin before release or have to carry conflicts/replaces for two years. | 17:01 |
ScottK | I missed that when I did the splitout for 4.4. | 17:01 |
ScottK | (debian got it right) | 17:01 |
ScottK | It also helps with plasma-mobile. | 17:01 |
Riddell | so it's in a package of its own? | 17:01 |
ScottK | Yes. | 17:01 |
Riddell | why is that needed, workspace-bin is installed everywhere no? | 17:01 |
ScottK | The SO's with versioned sonames are split out into seprate binaries. | 17:02 |
Riddell | if it's what debian is doing that's fine though | 17:02 |
ScottK | +usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so.4 | 17:02 |
ScottK | +usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so.4.4.0 | 17:02 |
ScottK | It should have been seperate from the beginning of 4.4. | 17:02 |
ScottK | Debian's got it split, so I want to match it before release so we don't have to carry a diff. | 17:03 |
Riddell | does it mean rdepends being rebuilt? | 17:03 |
ScottK | Just plasma-mobile. | 17:03 |
ScottK | I'll deal with that too. | 17:03 |
Riddell | that's not in the archive is it? | 17:03 |
persia | It's not (or shouldn't be). | 17:03 |
persia | Last word I had was that upstream didn't want it in the archive until lucid+1 | 17:04 |
ScottK | The only users of libplasmagenericshell are the three plasmas (desktop, netbook, mobil). | 17:04 |
ScottK | Oh. | 17:04 |
* ScottK missed that. | 17:05 | |
ScottK | Then there's no in archive rdepends that need rebuilding. | 17:05 |
Riddell | problem solved :) | 17:05 |
persia | \o/ | 17:05 |
ScottK | (the workspace upload will take care of desktop and netbook. | 17:05 |
ScottK | Riddell: OK to go ahead then? | 17:05 |
Riddell | do it | 17:05 |
ScottK | OK. | 17:05 |
persia | ScottK: FYI: Most recent update I have is that plasma-mobile will do a full release ~ September, and we will be able to have in-archive snapshots leading up to that in lucid+1 from pre-FF. | 17:06 |
ScottK | persia: As part of KDE SC 4.5? | 17:07 |
persia | That's not something that has been communicated to me yet. | 17:07 |
ScottK | That sounds a little late for 4.5, so probably not. | 17:07 |
persia | Not would make sense from what I've heard, but I suspect there's ambition. We'll see. | 17:08 |
shadeslayer | Congrats on the release :) | 17:13 |
ScottK | Riddell: I've pushed my workspace changes in bzr. I think we just need Jon the Taco's stuff. | 17:16 |
jussi01 | Jon the taco... lol :D | 17:16 |
ScottK | I can't spell is nick, so if tab completion doesn't get it for me .... | 17:17 |
shadeslayer | btw i think the scrambled icons bug should also be added in the wiki page | 17:17 |
shadeslayer | and its gone far beyond the systray now : | 17:18 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: got the bug no? | 17:26 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: one sec | 17:26 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540242 | 17:27 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 540242 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "Scrambled icons in Lucid daily build iso's" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:27 |
ScottK | shadeslayer: if it's a X problem, it wouldn't go on the Kubuntu list. | 17:27 |
shadeslayer | and idk what happened with apport.. i did the said command and no extra info got added | 17:27 |
shadeslayer | ScottK: ohh... | 17:27 |
ScottK | There's a different foundations team list. | 17:28 |
verbalshadow | any idea why my touchpad wouldn't show up in the touchpad KCM? | 17:28 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: can you ask on #ubuntu-bugs about that apport collect issue? | 17:29 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: sure...im just running it one more time to be sure | 17:29 |
shadeslayer | btw im just testing out the install debug symbols button right now..everything seems fine :P | 17:31 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: ah ok it attached it this time : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/540242 | 17:32 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 540242 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "Scrambled icons in Lucid daily build iso's" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:32 |
JontheEchidna | How do I make plasma-netbook start on startup? I installed kubuntu-netbook-default-settings and that worked, but then I rebooted and now it's starting plasma-desktop :( | 17:33 |
shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: i want the exact opposite on my machine :P | 17:33 |
JontheEchidna | let's switch computers :D | 17:34 |
shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: hehe | 17:34 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: If you have both installed, theres a control in systemsettings. | 17:34 |
Riddell | ~/.config/autostart/ is what it changes | 17:35 |
verbalshadow | JontheEchidna: under systemsettings->desktop ->workspace | 17:35 |
JontheEchidna | thanks | 17:35 |
shadeslayer | oh and btw does kde takeover the mouse from KDM after logging in? | 17:36 |
shadeslayer | since my touchpad works fine till kdm and after i log in it goes all crazy | 17:36 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: I got my workspace stuff in bzr, so feel free to upload when you're ready. | 17:36 |
Riddell | mouse is an X thing, although something might be changing settings at startup | 17:37 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: well ive reported a bug against the xorg synaptic driver... was just checking to be sure | 17:37 |
JontheEchidna | ScottK: still testing. I think I have it almost licked though | 17:37 |
ScottK | Cool. | 17:37 |
JontheEchidna | ...and, success! | 17:38 |
JontheEchidna | I'll try to get this upstream too | 17:38 |
shadeslayer | Oh and the temprature plasma widget shows temps always in Fahrenheit | 17:38 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: #plasma-netbook is a good channel to discuss that. | 17:38 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: awooga! | 17:39 |
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JontheEchidna | ScottK: pushed | 17:57 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: I'm going to take the whole update, push it to my PPA and then test on my netbook before I upload it. | 17:58 |
JontheEchidna | Sounds good. Let me know how kplash goes please. | 17:59 |
ScottK | OK. What am I looking for? | 17:59 |
JontheEchidna | ScottK: When ksplash goes away, the wallpaper should already be there | 18:00 |
JontheEchidna | what you don't want to see is a black screen, then plasma-netbook loading | 18:01 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: You forgot bzr add. | 18:01 |
ScottK | OK. | 18:01 |
JontheEchidna | ScottK: pushed | 18:01 |
ScottK | OK. | 18:01 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: Uploaded to my PPA. Time to wait ... | 18:12 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: notmart is in #plasma-netbook. You might discuss upstreaming your patch with him. | 18:13 |
txwikinger | Can you do upgrades from the CD now, or only new installations? | 18:22 |
Riddell | txwikinger: yes you can upgrade from the alternate CD, that's always been an option | 18:23 |
txwikinger | Riddell: I was just wondering about the mailinglist discussion | 18:27 |
Riddell | txwikinger: which one? about nepomuk settings? | 18:31 |
txwikinger | Riddell: No, the one about Release Candidate 1 testing | 18:31 |
Riddell | yes, it mostly seems to be about nepomuk settings | 18:31 |
steveire | I'm looking for Boost.Asio, but it doesn't seem to be available in ubuntu repos. Am I missing something? | 18:33 |
JontheEchidna | !info libasio-dev | 18:35 |
ubottu | libasio-dev (source: asio): cross-platform C++ library for network programming. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-3ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 204 kB, installed size 1988 kB | 18:35 |
JontheEchidna | that might be it | 18:35 |
steveire | JontheEchidna: Apparently that's not the boost one. It's a separate release which conflicts with my boost 1.40 | 18:38 |
JontheEchidna | hmm | 18:38 |
JontheEchidna | bug 227947 | 18:38 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 227947 in boost "Packages for Boost.Asio and Boost.System missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227947 | 18:38 |
JontheEchidna | sigh | 18:38 |
steveire | Nads | 18:39 |
ScottK | Bah. Rejected, exceeded my space .... | 18:40 |
* ScottK tries again somewhere else. | 18:40 | |
JontheEchidna | Could a core-dev confirm the nomination on bug 542104 please? | 18:49 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 542104 in kdepim-runtime "KRes migrator pops up on clean install, wastes 25 MB RAM" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542104 | 18:49 |
Fersure | Yay! Beta1 has been released! :D | 18:50 |
Fersure | Does the wiki have any guides on updating to a Kubuntu pre-release? | 19:34 |
Fersure | If not, I'd love to help out by writing a guide. :D | 19:35 |
Fersure | Anyone know? | 19:37 |
Riddell | yes there is an upgrade guide | 19:37 |
Fersure | Oh. I couldn't find it. | 19:39 |
Fersure | A guide for upgrading to a pre-release I mean. | 19:39 |
Fersure | Oh. | 19:39 |
Fersure | I do now. lol | 19:39 |
Fersure | I never saw it before with the alphas and such. | 19:40 |
Riddell | Mamarok, jefferai: I've added the missing dependency on mysql, my appologies for the problem. | 20:03 |
Riddell | Version 2.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 should be appearing in the PPA soon | 20:03 |
jefferai | Riddell: ah, cool | 20:10 |
jefferai | ok | 20:10 |
Mamarok | Riddell: thanks a lot :) | 20:15 |
ScottK | Meh. Used the wrong revision for conflicts/replaces. Trying again ... | 20:27 |
shtylman | Riddell: nice beta1 graphic :p | 20:32 |
dantti | Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84745 kpk 0.6.0 is out, next version I'll add the update icon of apachelogger... got to go now.. cya... | 21:27 |
JontheEchidna | But is PackageKit 0.6.x api stable? | 21:31 |
JontheEchidna | ah, he left | 21:31 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: Works. Uploading momentarily. | 22:33 |
JontheEchidna | yay | 22:33 |
ScottK | There is a bit of an oddity that if you have a session saved, the saved apps start before plasma-netbook reappears so you see them for a moment then go back to ksplash until plasma-netbook arrives. | 22:34 |
JontheEchidna | huh | 22:40 |
JontheEchidna | interesting | 22:40 |
ScottK | Uploaded. Thanks for taking care of it. | 22:43 |
JontheEchidna | You're welcome. It was a satisfying fix. | 22:43 |
Fersure | I've found an error in the 'upgrade to Lucid'. Well, I think it's an error.. | 22:51 |
Fersure | "This is still a ALPHA release." | 22:51 |
Fersure | Shouldn't it say 'BETA'? | 22:51 |
Fersure | Or are all pre-releases classed as 'ALPHA releases'? | 22:53 |
Fersure | nobody around? | 23:13 |
ScottK | Fersure: It should say beta now. | 23:17 |
Fersure | ScottK: Ah ok. Should I report a bug? Or is mentioning it here enough? | 23:17 |
ScottK | Fersure: Where's the link? | 23:18 |
Fersure | ScottK: Link to what? o.o | 23:18 |
ScottK | Fersure: Where are these instructions? | 23:18 |
Fersure | Oh. | 23:18 |
Fersure | Well I mean in the actual upgrade. | 23:18 |
ScottK | Ah. | 23:18 |
ScottK | I think that should have been removed entirely. | 23:19 |
ScottK | shtylman would know if he were around. | 23:19 |
Fersure | And there's a screenshot of it in the upgrade instructions too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu | 23:19 |
Fersure | You can barely see it, but it says 'ALPHA release' there. :P | 23:19 |
ScottK | Fersure: Please file a bug against ubiquity. | 23:20 |
Fersure | Ubiquity handles distribution upgrades? o.o | 23:21 |
ScottK | Oh, wait. | 23:21 |
ScottK | No, that'd be upgrade or update manager. | 23:21 |
ScottK | I can never remember. | 23:21 |
ScottK | JontheEchidna: ? | 23:21 |
soee_ | ok i answerd all wuestion in kubuntu feedback, hope it will help :) | 23:22 |
ScottK | Great. | 23:22 |
Fersure | update-notifier-kde is the program launched in order to perform the upgrade. | 23:22 |
ScottK | Gotta run. | 23:22 |
ScottK | Fersure: That's where the bug goes then. | 23:22 |
Fersure | I'm not sure if it launches a seperate program or not though. | 23:22 |
Fersure | Okay. | 23:22 |
Fersure | Thanks for the help ScottK. :) | 23:22 |
JontheEchidna | acutally, update-notifier-kde doesn't run the upgrade | 23:22 |
JontheEchidna | it runs the program that runs the upgrade, if one is available | 23:22 |
Fersure | Yeah, that'd make more sense. | 23:23 |
JontheEchidna | update-manager-kde does the actual updating | 23:23 |
Fersure | And update-notifier-kde is no longer supported by Canonical in 10.04? | 23:23 |
Fersure | What handles the updates then? | 23:23 |
Fersure | I prefered the way things were in Jaunty. You had the desktop icons by default, an icon in the system tray for updates/distro upgrades. | 23:24 |
Fersure | So much simpler, which is the point of Kubuntu after all. :) | 23:25 |
JontheEchidna | replaced by kubuntu-notification-helper | 23:25 |
JontheEchidna | acutally kpackagekit does distro notifications now | 23:25 |
JontheEchidna | *distro upgrade notifications | 23:26 |
Fersure | Oh, well that's good. Is there an icon in the system tray again? | 23:26 |
Fersure | Or is it still done via KDE notifications (whatever the proper name for them is)? | 23:26 |
JontheEchidna | kde notifications | 23:26 |
Fersure | Ah. | 23:27 |
Fersure | I'm guessing it's too late to request the desktop icons being added back in for 10.04? (User interface freeze and all that?) | 23:27 |
JontheEchidna | yeah. though we'd be dependent on kpackagekit doing that itself | 23:28 |
Fersure | No, I mean the desktop icons for 'Home' and 'Wastebin' | 23:28 |
Fersure | Sorry, I should have clarified. | 23:28 |
JontheEchidna | ah | 23:28 |
JontheEchidna | those were removed on purpose | 23:29 |
Fersure | Nobody liked them? lol | 23:29 |
JontheEchidna | Cleaner desktop by default, the reasoning was | 23:29 |
Fersure | Well in that case, I think removing the 'Folder View' widget and setting the Desktop Settings to 'Folder View' would do that in a much better way. | 23:30 |
JontheEchidna | it was a comprimise between making the whole desktop a folderview and removing folderview entirely | 23:30 |
Fersure | Personally I prefer having the icons on my desktop and having the Desktop set to Folder View. | 23:31 |
Fersure | It feels more normal. I shouldn't need a plasma widget just to access my ~/Desktop | 23:31 |
Fersure | But eh, that's my opinion. | 23:32 |
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Fersure | I also wish there was an option to show mounted drives on the Desktop too. Or is that currently possible and I've missed something? | 23:33 |
JontheEchidna | I don't believe such a feature exists, no | 23:34 |
JontheEchidna | Oh, I suppose you could use the device notifier | 23:35 |
JontheEchidna | it has an option to show all devices | 23:35 |
JontheEchidna | it won't display them like folderview, though | 23:35 |
Fersure | True. I didn't think of how that would look on the Desktop. | 23:35 |
Fersure | I mean it's not all that important in Lucid really. I like the fact that you can integrate the Device Notifier into the system tray. | 23:36 |
Fersure | If only that'd been done by default rather than keeping the widget seperate from the system tray. | 23:36 |
JontheEchidna | yeah, plasmoids in the tray is seriously sweet. don't know why they didn't think of it earlier :) | 23:36 |
Fersure | Yeah. lol | 23:36 |
JontheEchidna | actually, the device notifier should be in the tray by default for 10.04... if it's not then that's a bug | 23:36 |
Fersure | It's a bug then. Or was when I did a clean install of Alpha3 in a VM. | 23:37 |
JontheEchidna | I think we added an upgrade script that moves everything to the tray post-alpha3 | 23:37 |
Fersure | Ah, nice. | 23:37 |
JontheEchidna | works on everything except the message indicator, apparently (There's a bug for that one' | 23:38 |
JontheEchidna | ) | 23:38 |
Fersure | Well when I switched officially from Windows (which was around a year ago now), I found the desktop icons very comforting. Everything was very similar and still easy to access. | 23:40 |
Fersure | Which was a nice environment to learn in. | 23:40 |
Fersure | That was in Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu, as that was the first distro I used. But still, it was very handy being able to access/do things easilly. | 23:41 |
Fersure | Now I'm just accustomed to the way I do things. (Old habits die hard, etc.) | 23:42 |
JontheEchidna | My windows desktop was a sea of icons, heh | 23:42 |
Fersure | So was mine until I added the 'crap' folder. lol | 23:43 |
Fersure | Which EVERYTHING was shoved into just to make the desktop cleaner. | 23:43 |
JontheEchidna | lol | 23:43 |
JontheEchidna | until you get more icons and have to make crap2 | 23:44 |
Fersure | rofl | 23:44 |
Fersure | true | 23:44 |
Fersure | brb, rebooting into lucid. | 23:44 |
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