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FersureWhy is there no 'news' item about Beta1 being released?01:34
Fersureo.o01:34
FersureHas it not been released yet?01:35
Riddellindeed not01:35
NCommanderFersure: delayed 24 hours01:40
Fersureah01:40
Fersurewell, it's the 19th now. :o01:52
FersureAt what time are pre-releases usually released?02:06
FersureOr is there no specific time?02:18
nhandlerFersure: Probably not until the people in Europe wake up and get things ready02:38
Fersurenhandler: ah. I'm UTC and it's currently 3:08am.03:08
robinpwhere can I pull the beta ISOs from? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview has only bad links07:08
persiarobinp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html07:11
robinppersia: roger, I guess I'll just hang round here until it appears :)07:12
persiarobinp: If you have time, and want to help test, that would be appreciated (and help get it out that much faster).07:13
robinppersia: thats absolutely why i'm waiting for it! I'm also keeping an eye on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidFileSharing -> I'm primarily interested in support for Apple File Protocol07:15
persiaWell, depends on your appetite for rough edges, but if you don't mind a few extra bugs, you can certainly help test the pre-release candidates.07:17
persiahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures outlines the procedures for doing candidate testing.07:18
persiaIf the candidate works well enough, it may be the beta.  If it fails miserably, beta may take more time.07:18
persiaErr, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/ISO/Procedures looks prettier :)07:19
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Fersureanyone around?08:31
Fersuremy user/pass for brainstorm isn't working for the iso.qa site08:31
Fersureyet it says "The user accounts are shared across all of the Ubuntu QA websites including qa.ubuntu.com, brainstorm.ubuntu.com and every sub-domains of qa.ubuntu.com (as iso.qa.ubuntu.com)."08:31
persiaFersure: I think there are more admins for that in #ubuntu-testing (although I could be mistaken).08:33
persiaThe brainstorm account *should* work for iso.qa.08:33
Fersureokay.08:36
Tonio_hi there09:34
apacheloggerahoy Tonio_09:50
Tonio_apachelogger: do you know if we'll get some new kubuntu artwork too ?09:50
apacheloggerTonio_: a logo we will get09:53
apacheloggerartwork we do have09:53
apachelogger^^09:53
shadeslayerhmm.. there seems to be slight problem with installation of wicd09:56
shadeslayerit doesnt remove the kde network manager09:56
apacheloggerit should remove network-manager09:57
apacheloggernot knetworkmanager directly09:57
shadeslayerboth of them should conflict with each other09:57
apacheloggerwell09:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: my point exactly09:57
apacheloggerthen I suppose knm now supports wicd too :P09:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: :P09:57
shadeslayeroh and the synaptic touchpad works horribly09:58
shadeslayerlockups all over the place....09:58
apacheloggershadeslayer: I think that you need to tell to people in #ubuntu-x09:58
apacheloggeror better yet report a bug i suppose09:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: this is the same issue when jaunty came out09:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: lucid is not out :P09:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: and to prevent the issue from being in the final youd need to report it somewhere09:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: yes i know but i meant that its was a known issue in jaunty09:59
persiaand follow-up with any information or testing requests.09:59
shadeslayeryeah doing that right away09:59
shadeslayerpersia: would be glad too10:00
Tonio_apachelogger: did I miss the plymouth kubuntu work then ?10:00
Tonio_apachelogger: I get the ubuntu one here10:00
apacheloggerTonio_: no, we do not have anything there yet10:00
Tonio_apachelogger: kk :) that answers my question10:01
apacheloggerIIRC someone is supposed to be working on that... or maybe we are waiting for the new logo10:01
apacheloggerI defenitely know that Riddell decided to use the ubuntu one for now ^^10:01
Tonio_apachelogger: probably10:01
shadeslayergah... the touchpad module in kcm disabled my touchpad when i increased the sensitivity10:02
shadeslayeryeah... setting it to high disables it10:03
shadeslayereh,how is this a kdebase issue ?? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/54173710:08
ubottuUbuntu bug 541737 in kdebase-workspace "Plymouth dont work correctly" [Undecided,New]10:08
apacheloggerRiddell: is the upgrade utility qt4 or just not using oxygen?10:11
apacheloggerhttp://picasaweb.google.com/apachelogger/Misc#545030084818896976211:14
apacheloggerfear ze mighty microman11:14
apacheloggermuahahah11:14
nixternalI am up way to early11:14
apachelogger>:D11:14
apacheloggernixternal: you are just in time for lunch :P11:14
nixternal06:15 :(11:14
apacheloggeryou clock is off11:14
apachelogger12:14 it is11:14
apacheloggerkubotu: time11:15
kubotuapachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Fri Mar 19 12:16 CET11:15
apacheloggersee11:15
apachelogger:P11:15
* apachelogger is upgrading to lucid11:15
apachelogger:/11:15
nixternalhrmm, thought you were more than 6 hours ahead of me for some reason11:15
apacheloggerI am a bit shaky11:15
apacheloggerkubotu: time nixternal11:16
kubotunixternal is an unknown time.11:16
apacheloggerhm11:16
apachelogger^^11:16
apacheloggerkubotu: help time11:16
kubotutime <time zone> to get the local time of a certain location. <time zone> can be <Continent/City> or <two character country code>. time <nick> to see the local time of that person if their time zone is set. time admin set <nick> <time zone> to set the time zone for another user. time [admin] reset [nick] to let the bot forget about the tzinfo about someone11:16
apacheloggerkubotu: time admin set nixternal Chicago11:16
kubotuChicago is an invalid timezone. Format is Continent/City or a two character country code.11:16
apacheloggerkubotu: time admin set nixternal America/Chicago11:17
kubotuOk, I'll remember that nixternal is on the America/Chicago timezone11:17
a|wennixternal: you already switched to summer time while we haven't done that yet ... so temporarily closer ;)11:17
apacheloggerkubotu: time nixternal11:17
kubotuAmerica - Chicago - Fri Mar 19 06:18 CDT11:17
apacheloggeromg!!!11:17
apacheloggernixternal: you are up way too early11:17
apacheloggera|wen: ah, that makes sense11:17
apacheloggeryou know11:17
apacheloggerthe updater is quite the uglyness11:18
apachelogger1. it is qtonly11:18
apachelogger2. it does not use oxygen11:18
apachelogger3. it references synaptic?!11:18
a|wenapachelogger: yeah ... for some reason they chose to de-syncronize summer time; more fun and games in timezone world, he11:18
apachelogger4. the dialogs are inconstent IMHO11:18
apacheloggerneeds gsoc project :P11:18
nixternalyeah, instead of -06:00 we are now -05:0011:18
apacheloggera|wen: dst needs to be dropped anyway11:19
* a|wen nods11:19
a|wenapachelogger: in general the updater looks okay here; can't tell if it is styled differently than the rest of my apps ... but yeah, the dialogs could use some love11:21
ScottKRiddell: Do you mind if I split out the binaries in kdebase-workspace a little more?  When I did the split for 4.4, I missed at least one.  The only rdepend it will affect is plasma-mobile and I'll make sure that gets taken care of.11:21
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apachelogger_kubotu: hi11:30
kubotuhola, apachelogger_!11:30
jussi01o/ apachelogger_11:30
ScottKapachelogger_: I'm curious for your opinion on reverting http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1025437 - It seems responsible for a lot of .Xsessions-errors spamming.11:33
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ScottKRiddell: ^^^ same question for you?11:51
RiddellScottK: if that's the cause of bug 540944 I'm all for it11:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540944 in kde4libs "kde debugging enabled by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54094411:58
RiddellScottK: worth asking dfaure what his intention was though11:58
apachelogger_yeah11:58
apachelogger_also11:58
apachelogger_we can regulate debuggingness via one config file11:58
apachelogger_that then can be changed on a per-user basis via kdebugdialog11:58
apachelogger_that would be what we had before, I think that was archived via some cmake option though11:59
apachelogger_or a patch to kdebase-runtime11:59
* apachelogger_ cant really remember ^^11:59
apachelogger_ScottK: debian sure would know since they made it not do debug spam11:59
ScottKapachelogger_: Debian has this problem now too.  I found that commit from their IRC discussions.12:00
apachelogger_ScottK: well, I would go talk to dfaure about it12:00
ScottKRiddell: MoDaX already poked dfaure, so I'll ask him to let us know what he finds out.12:01
ScottKapachelogger_: ^^12:01
apachelogger_but from where I stand we simply need to drop a config in either /etc or kubuntu-default-settings12:01
Riddell08_add_debian_build_type.diff in kde4libs is ment to turn off debugging by default12:02
apachelogger_Riddell: that is what dfaure worked around with that commit :)12:03
ScottKRiddell: You can see the discussion about 3 hours ago on #debian-qt-kde (I assume you have it in your backscroll)12:03
Riddellyes, maybe he decided to use distro packages one day and got annoyed debugging wasn't on by default12:04
apachelogger_well, he just needs to run kdebugdialog and tick all :P12:05
RiddellI think this may not be how dfaure approaches a problem :)12:06
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apacehloggerRiddell: true :D12:06
RiddellNightrose: how do I say "Kubuntu 10.04 will be the first LTS with KDE 4" in new branding terms?12:22
ScottKHeh.12:23
shadeslayerapacehlogger: reported : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/54186812:47
ubottuUbuntu bug 541868 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Synaptic touchpad has soft lockups in lucid" [Undecided,New]12:47
ZoraelWas the tray icon for the network management widget changed, or is my icon cache borked? (from the experimental ppa)12:59
apacehloggerhm13:00
apacehloggeragateau: is it a known bug that the context menu stuff for kopete overlaps itself?13:00
apacehloggeri.e. if I move over an entry with sub menu, that menu will place itself ontop of the present one and prevent me from going back13:00
shadeslayerZorael: oh do you have a nvidia card?13:00
shadeslayerapacehlogger: the wicd bug is apparently known : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/52789613:01
ubottuUbuntu bug 527896 in wicd "missing info about conflict with network-manager package" [Undecided,New]13:01
shadeslayerapacehlogger: btw the kubuntu experimental ppa,whats it all about?13:03
apacehloggerexperimental stuff13:03
shadeslayerah ok...13:04
apacehloggerhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs#Kubuntu Experimental13:04
Zoraelshadeslayer: No, intel graphics (netbook)13:04
shadeslayerZorael: hmm.. well in nvidia cards all the icons are borked... maybe intel has the same issue?13:04
shadeslayerZorael: http://imagebin.ca/view/bMucXTDn.html13:05
Zoraelshadeslayer: Perhaps borked is a poor choice of words, this looks very intentional - sec, I'll upload a screenshot13:07
shadeslayerZorael: hehe,i meant icons are all scrambled13:07
shadeslayerZorael: i filed a bug against this a few days ago...13:07
Zoraelshadeslayer: http://bayimg.com/CalMmAAcf13:08
shadeslayerZorael: wheres the problem?13:09
Zoraelshadeslayer: The tray icon didn't use to look like that; it used to look like the wlan essid entries' icon. The current tray icon looks like something I replaced knetworkmanager's icon with earlier (taken from kde-look) but since removed, and suddenly it returns and hijacks the widget's13:10
Zoraelhence wondering if it's changed or if my icon cache is messing with me .313:10
Zorael:3*13:10
shadeslayeroh...13:10
shadeslayerZorael: tried refreshing the whole KDE cache?13:11
JontheEchidnaRiddell: is this where kdeartwork would show up? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/report.html13:11
shadeslayerweird : http://pastebin.ca/184566413:11
Zoraelshadeslayer: No, I don't know the command for that, I tried deleting stuff in the cache directory but it didn't change even after a plasma-desktop restart13:11
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes. it disappeared!13:12
JontheEchidna:)13:12
apacehloggermagic13:12
shadeslayerZorael: use kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental13:12
shadeslayerZorael: hows the nm in experimental ppa?13:14
Zoraelshadeslayer: still looks the same. The icon in the tooltip looks right, but the icon itself is as in the screenshot. (Hence my wondering if it's intentional)13:14
shadeslayerZorael: um youll need to close the nm in order to see the changes..13:15
shadeslayerafaik...13:15
Zoraelshadeslayer: I restarted plasma-desktop, thought that'd be enough13:15
shadeslayerhmm that is enough...13:16
shadeslayeri just hate my trackpad right now13:16
apacehloggerthrow it out the window!13:16
apacehlogger^^13:16
Zoraelshadeslayer: as for how stuff from experimental works; fine so far, except for some minor packaging issues. Can't install the -pptp package, for one;13:16
Zoraelplasma-widget-networkmanagement-pptp: Depends: knm-runtime (= 0.9~svn1102346-0ubuntu1~ppa2) but 0.9~svn1102346-0ubuntu1~ppa4 is installed.13:16
shadeslayerapacehlogger: i gave it to LP for fixing :D13:16
apacehloggerSput: uhh the new highlight animation rox!13:16
* apacehlogger didnt see highlights half the time with the old animation13:17
shadeslayerapacehlogger: highlights?13:17
Sputapacehlogger: and the statusnotifier stuff even animates the blinking :)13:17
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apacheloggerall so blingy13:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: irc highlights13:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: with quassel?13:17
apacheloggeryes13:18
shadeslayerah ok..13:18
shadeslayerhardly use quassel.. only in college,since idk how to set up irssi with a proxied net13:18
shadeslayerA icon on the desktop in the live CD would be nice though13:18
shadeslayerpointing the user to the right support channels13:19
shadeslayerbrb13:21
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shadeslayerhmm... shouldnt the nm plasma widget show that its connected to a wired network?13:29
shtylmanRiddell: have any logo breakthroughs while you slept? :)13:34
shadeslayershtylman: dont think so13:35
davmor2shtylman: did you get the kubuntu/wubi bug?13:35
shtylmandavmor2: I see it, im not too familiar with wubi13:36
shtylmanwhat it does or how it works13:36
shtylmanwouldn't it just launch the regular installer?13:38
davmor2shtylman: I don't think it is actually wubi at fault, basically it calls ubiquity in an automatic install mode and it's that bit that is broken as I understand it have a word with evan though and I'm sure he can bring you up to speed :)13:38
shtylmanor does it launch it in some different way13:38
shtylmandavmor2: gotcha.. ok we will look into that13:38
Tonio_hum ppas broken ?13:41
Tonio_seems like the ftp server is down13:41
agateauapachelogger: yes, known bug which I need to fix13:43
agateau(sorry for the delay, was away)13:43
shadeslayerbtw any ideas when beta 1 will be released? it was supposed to be yesterday :P13:50
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apacheloggeragateau: k :)13:58
apacheloggershadeslayer_: when it is ready :P13:58
Riddellagateau: we had another issue that if you disable the systray icon in kmix it doesn't disappear, just becomes inactive13:59
agateauRiddell: not sure whether this was intentional or not14:00
agateauRiddell: but can be fixed14:00
agateauRiddell: will ask kmix maintainer before14:00
agateaus/before/first14:00
RiddellJontheEchidna found it, not sure if he had the same issue in other apps14:01
JontheEchidnayeah, in the print-manager print daemon, currently in playground14:01
JontheEchidnait deletes the statusnotifieritem to make it go away14:01
JontheEchidnaleaving a dead icon14:01
JontheEchidnathough right now I can't say I have any statusnotifieritems. They're all boring old tray icons now :(14:02
agateauJontheEchidna: if the ksni instance is deleted, the icon should go away14:05
agateauJontheEchidna: there is a bug if it does not14:05
JontheEchidnaagateau: To reproduce with KMix, go to the KMix settings, change any option and hit "OK"14:05
JontheEchidnathat will cause kmix to delete and create a new KSNI14:05
JontheEchidnaleaving the old kmix icon around, that will do nothing except show its old tooltip/menu14:06
JontheEchidnaand I don't think it created the new one last time I tested14:06
agateauJontheEchidna: it works here14:06
JontheEchidnait didn't work for me or Riddell the other day14:07
agateauJontheEchidna: but my system has not been updated since at least one week14:07
JontheEchidnasince a few days ago, none of my tray icons are ksni's anymore, so I can't test anymore :(14:07
ScottKshadeslayer_: There was a one day delay announced to finish testing.14:07
agateauJontheEchidna: might be a dbus namespace issue14:08
agateauwill have a look14:08
JontheEchidnaThanks14:08
Sputagateau: did the StatusNotifier spec move to  fdo yet?14:09
agateauSput: no14:09
Sputk14:09
shadeslayer_ScottK: apachelogger ah ok14:18
shadeslayer_ikonia: ssup with your connection ? :P14:20
JontheEchidnaScottK: You said you'll have a kdebase-workspace upload later today?14:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: Yes.14:29
JontheEchidnaScottK: I might have a fix for bug 439627 in a bit14:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 439627 in qbzr-eclipse "Running update should refresh effected projects" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43962714:29
JontheEchidnahum14:29
JontheEchidnaScottK: I might have a fix for bug 539627 in a bit14:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 539627 in kdebase-workspace "ksplash disappears before plasma-netbook loaded" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53962714:30
ScottKIf you have stuff, just stick in in bzr and I'll pull the updates.14:30
JontheEchidnak14:30
ScottKCool.14:30
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JontheEchidnabasically plasma-desktop tells ksmserver to keep kplash around for a little longer, and tells it to resume once it's loaded the wallpaper. plasma-netbook doesn't do this (yet)14:31
RiddellJontheEchidna: how does it do that?14:31
JontheEchidnaRiddell: a dbus call14:31
ScottKNice.14:32
JontheEchidnathis is how plasma-desktop does things: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/desktop/shell/plasmaapp.cpp?r1=1044495&r2=1044494&pathrev=104449514:32
JontheEchidnaI'm porting the patch to -netbook14:32
Riddellclever14:32
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* shadeslayer_ wonders if he should install gnome as well...14:37
shadeslayer_havent tried it out in a while..14:37
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shadeslayer_apachelogger: wth! amarok still doesnt depend on libssl-dev !14:40
shadeslayer_im compiling from git14:40
shadeslayer_apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/184573014:41
ScottKJontheEchidna: I just pushed what I have so far to bzr, so please base your work off that.14:44
shadeslayer_oh yay.. ubuntu released beta 1 :D14:58
ejatshadeslayer_: upgrade already?15:14
shadeslayer_ejat: dunno...15:15
shadeslayer_lemme check15:16
shadeslayer_ejat: heres the dent : qB%.B`{w15:16
shadeslayer_oi15:16
shadeslayer_: #Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Beta 1 Out for Testing - The #Lucid #Lynx Chronicles - Softpedia http://ur1.ca/qjxa15:16
ejat?15:16
ejat:)15:16
shadeslayer_ejat: :D15:17
shadeslayer_ejat: ah now i understand why the main servers kept timing out15:18
shadeslayer_too much load due to the update/upgrade15:19
ejatyeah .. im also doing it now .. with a slower connection .. in hometown village .. using broadband ...15:20
ejata few day here .. b4 going back to town with a better broadband connection :)15:20
shadeslayer_:)15:22
shadeslayer_bl15:24
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=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta 1 released! | Feature Freeze, fix bugs | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9
ScottKRiddell: You're planning on covering the release meeting for Kubuntu?16:41
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Riddellyes indeedy16:41
ScottKOK.16:41
Riddellreport at bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus if you have anything to add16:42
ScottKIt'd be nice to give doko a thank you for fixing qt4-x11 on IA64.  Looking.16:42
Riddellblamo http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-beta-116:43
davmor2Riddell: you forgot the wubi = fail16:45
Riddelldavmor2: forgot where?16:45
davmor2https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LucidLynx/Beta1/Kubuntu16:45
Riddelladding16:47
ScottKwhoever owns http://twitter.com/kubuntu_news ought to get busy.16:48
persiaIsn't that just done with bot wranging?16:50
persial16:50
ScottKNo idea.16:51
ScottKRiddell: You're on.16:54
JontheEchidnaFrom what I can tell, ksplash is going away before plasma-netbook even starts :/16:58
RiddellScottK: seems that twitter account is linked from the identi.ca/kubuntu account16:59
ScottKAny idea who has that one?16:59
RiddellScottK: what this about splitting kdebase-workspace?17:00
ScottKkubuntunetbook is done by me on both.17:00
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RiddellScottK: I have identi.ca/kubuntu, it's updated17:00
ScottKRiddell: We need to split libplasmagenericshell out of workspace-bin before release or have to carry conflicts/replaces for two years.17:01
ScottKI missed that when I did the splitout for 4.4.17:01
ScottK(debian got it right)17:01
ScottKIt also helps with plasma-mobile.17:01
Riddellso it's in a package of its own?17:01
ScottKYes.17:01
Riddellwhy is that needed, workspace-bin is installed everywhere no?17:01
ScottKThe SO's with versioned sonames are split out into seprate binaries.17:02
Riddellif it's what debian is doing that's fine though17:02
ScottK+usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so.417:02
ScottK+usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so.4.4.017:02
ScottKIt should have been seperate from the beginning of 4.4.17:02
ScottKDebian's got it split, so I want to match it before release so we don't have to carry a diff.17:03
Riddelldoes it mean rdepends being rebuilt?17:03
ScottKJust plasma-mobile.17:03
ScottKI'll deal with that too.17:03
Riddellthat's not in the archive is it?17:03
persiaIt's not (or shouldn't be).17:03
persiaLast word I had was that upstream didn't want it in the archive until lucid+117:04
ScottKThe only users of libplasmagenericshell are the three plasmas (desktop, netbook, mobil).17:04
ScottKOh.17:04
* ScottK missed that.17:05
ScottKThen there's no in archive rdepends that need rebuilding.17:05
Riddellproblem solved :)17:05
persia\o/17:05
ScottK(the workspace upload will take care of desktop and netbook.17:05
ScottKRiddell: OK to go ahead then?17:05
Riddelldo it17:05
ScottKOK.17:05
persiaScottK: FYI: Most recent update I have is that plasma-mobile will do a full release ~ September, and we will be able to have in-archive snapshots leading up to that in lucid+1 from pre-FF.17:06
ScottKpersia: As part of KDE SC 4.5?17:07
persiaThat's not something that has been communicated to me yet.17:07
ScottKThat sounds a little late for 4.5, so probably not.17:07
persiaNot would make sense from what I've heard, but I suspect there's ambition.  We'll see.17:08
shadeslayerCongrats on the release :)17:13
ScottKRiddell: I've pushed my workspace changes in bzr.  I think we just need Jon the Taco's stuff.17:16
jussi01Jon the taco... lol :D17:16
ScottKI can't spell is nick, so if tab completion doesn't get it for me ....17:17
shadeslayerbtw i think the scrambled icons bug should also be added in the wiki page17:17
shadeslayerand its gone far beyond the systray now :17:18
Riddellshadeslayer: got the bug no?17:26
shadeslayerRiddell: one sec17:26
shadeslayerRiddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/54024217:27
ubottuUbuntu bug 540242 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "Scrambled icons in Lucid daily build iso's" [Undecided,Incomplete]17:27
ScottKshadeslayer: if it's a X problem, it wouldn't go on the Kubuntu list.17:27
shadeslayerand idk what happened with apport.. i did the said command and no extra info got added17:27
shadeslayerScottK: ohh...17:27
ScottKThere's a different foundations team list.17:28
verbalshadowany idea why my touchpad wouldn't show up in the touchpad KCM?17:28
Riddellshadeslayer: can you ask on #ubuntu-bugs about that apport collect issue?17:29
shadeslayerRiddell: sure...im just running it one more time to be sure17:29
shadeslayerbtw im just testing out the install debug symbols button right now..everything seems fine :P17:31
shadeslayerRiddell: ah ok it attached it this time : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/54024217:32
ubottuUbuntu bug 540242 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "Scrambled icons in Lucid daily build iso's" [Undecided,Incomplete]17:32
JontheEchidnaHow do I make plasma-netbook start on startup? I installed kubuntu-netbook-default-settings and that worked, but then I rebooted and now it's starting plasma-desktop :(17:33
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: i want the exact opposite on my machine :P17:33
JontheEchidnalet's switch computers :D17:34
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: hehe17:34
ScottKJontheEchidna: If you have both installed, theres a control in systemsettings.17:34
Riddell~/.config/autostart/ is what it changes17:35
verbalshadowJontheEchidna: under systemsettings->desktop ->workspace17:35
JontheEchidnathanks17:35
shadeslayeroh and btw does kde takeover the mouse from KDM after logging in?17:36
shadeslayersince my touchpad works fine till kdm and after i log in it goes all crazy17:36
ScottKJontheEchidna: I got my workspace stuff in bzr, so feel free to upload when you're ready.17:36
Riddellmouse is an X thing, although something might be changing settings at startup17:37
shadeslayerRiddell: well ive reported a bug against the xorg synaptic driver... was just checking to be sure17:37
JontheEchidnaScottK: still testing. I think I have it almost licked though17:37
ScottKCool.17:37
JontheEchidna...and, success!17:38
JontheEchidnaI'll try to get this upstream too17:38
shadeslayerOh and the temprature plasma widget shows temps always in Fahrenheit17:38
ScottKJontheEchidna: #plasma-netbook is a good channel to discuss that.17:38
RiddellJontheEchidna: awooga!17:39
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JontheEchidnaScottK: pushed17:57
ScottKJontheEchidna: I'm going to take the whole update, push it to my PPA and then test on my netbook before I upload it.17:58
JontheEchidnaSounds good. Let me know how kplash goes please.17:59
ScottKOK.  What am I looking for?17:59
JontheEchidnaScottK: When ksplash goes away, the wallpaper should already be there18:00
JontheEchidnawhat you don't want to see is a black screen, then plasma-netbook loading18:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: You forgot bzr add.18:01
ScottKOK.18:01
JontheEchidnaScottK: pushed18:01
ScottKOK.18:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: Uploaded to my PPA.  Time to wait ...18:12
ScottKJontheEchidna: notmart is in #plasma-netbook.  You might discuss upstreaming your patch with him.18:13
txwikingerCan you do upgrades from the CD now, or only new installations?18:22
Riddelltxwikinger: yes you can upgrade from the alternate CD, that's always been an option18:23
txwikingerRiddell: I was just wondering about the mailinglist discussion18:27
Riddelltxwikinger: which one?  about nepomuk settings?18:31
txwikingerRiddell: No, the one about Release Candidate 1 testing18:31
Riddellyes, it mostly seems to be about nepomuk settings18:31
steveireI'm looking for Boost.Asio, but it doesn't seem to be available in ubuntu repos. Am I missing something?18:33
JontheEchidna!info libasio-dev18:35
ubottulibasio-dev (source: asio): cross-platform C++ library for network programming. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-3ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 204 kB, installed size 1988 kB18:35
JontheEchidnathat might be it18:35
steveireJontheEchidna: Apparently that's not the boost one. It's a separate release which conflicts with my boost 1.4018:38
JontheEchidnahmm18:38
JontheEchidnabug 22794718:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227947 in boost "Packages for Boost.Asio and Boost.System missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22794718:38
JontheEchidnasigh18:38
steveireNads18:39
ScottKBah.  Rejected, exceeded my space ....18:40
* ScottK tries again somewhere else.18:40
JontheEchidnaCould a core-dev confirm the nomination on bug 542104 please?18:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 542104 in kdepim-runtime "KRes migrator pops up on clean install, wastes 25 MB RAM" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54210418:49
FersureYay! Beta1 has been released! :D18:50
FersureDoes the wiki have any guides on updating to a Kubuntu pre-release?19:34
FersureIf not, I'd love to help out by writing a guide. :D19:35
FersureAnyone know?19:37
Riddellyes there is an upgrade guide19:37
FersureOh. I couldn't find it.19:39
FersureA guide for upgrading to a pre-release I mean.19:39
FersureOh.19:39
FersureI do now. lol19:39
FersureI never saw it before with the alphas and such.19:40
RiddellMamarok, jefferai: I've added the missing dependency on mysql, my appologies for the problem.20:03
RiddellVersion 2.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 should be appearing in the PPA soon20:03
jefferaiRiddell: ah, cool20:10
jefferaiok20:10
MamarokRiddell: thanks a lot :)20:15
ScottKMeh.  Used the wrong revision for conflicts/replaces.  Trying again ...20:27
shtylmanRiddell: nice beta1 graphic :p20:32
danttiRiddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84745 kpk 0.6.0 is out, next version I'll add the update icon of apachelogger... got to go now.. cya...21:27
JontheEchidnaBut is PackageKit 0.6.x api stable?21:31
JontheEchidnaah, he left21:31
ScottKJontheEchidna: Works.  Uploading momentarily.22:33
JontheEchidnayay22:33
ScottKThere is a bit of an oddity that if you have a session saved, the saved apps start before plasma-netbook reappears so you see them for a moment then go back to ksplash until plasma-netbook arrives.22:34
JontheEchidnahuh22:40
JontheEchidnainteresting22:40
ScottKUploaded. Thanks for taking care of it.22:43
JontheEchidnaYou're welcome. It was a satisfying fix.22:43
FersureI've found an error in the 'upgrade to Lucid'. Well, I think it's an error..22:51
Fersure"This is still a ALPHA release."22:51
FersureShouldn't it say 'BETA'?22:51
FersureOr are all pre-releases classed as 'ALPHA releases'?22:53
Fersurenobody around?23:13
ScottKFersure: It should say beta now.23:17
FersureScottK: Ah ok. Should I report a bug? Or is mentioning it here enough?23:17
ScottKFersure: Where's the link?23:18
FersureScottK: Link to what? o.o23:18
ScottKFersure: Where are these instructions?23:18
FersureOh.23:18
FersureWell I mean in the actual upgrade.23:18
ScottKAh.23:18
ScottKI think that should have been removed entirely.23:19
ScottKshtylman would know if he were around.23:19
FersureAnd there's a screenshot of it in the upgrade instructions too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu23:19
FersureYou can barely see it, but it says 'ALPHA release' there. :P23:19
ScottKFersure: Please file a bug against ubiquity.23:20
FersureUbiquity handles distribution upgrades? o.o23:21
ScottKOh, wait.23:21
ScottKNo, that'd be upgrade or update manager.23:21
ScottKI can never remember.23:21
ScottKJontheEchidna: ?23:21
soee_ok i answerd all wuestion in kubuntu feedback, hope it will help :)23:22
ScottKGreat.23:22
Fersureupdate-notifier-kde is the program launched in order to perform the upgrade.23:22
ScottKGotta run.23:22
ScottKFersure: That's where the bug goes then.23:22
FersureI'm not sure if it launches a seperate program or not though.23:22
FersureOkay.23:22
FersureThanks for the help ScottK. :)23:22
JontheEchidnaacutally, update-notifier-kde doesn't run the upgrade23:22
JontheEchidnait runs the program that runs the upgrade, if one is available23:22
FersureYeah, that'd make more sense.23:23
JontheEchidnaupdate-manager-kde does the actual updating23:23
FersureAnd update-notifier-kde is no longer supported by Canonical in 10.04?23:23
FersureWhat handles the updates then?23:23
FersureI prefered the way things were in Jaunty. You had the desktop icons by default, an icon in the system tray for updates/distro upgrades.23:24
FersureSo much simpler, which is the point of Kubuntu after all. :)23:25
JontheEchidnareplaced by kubuntu-notification-helper23:25
JontheEchidnaacutally kpackagekit does distro notifications now23:25
JontheEchidna*distro upgrade notifications23:26
FersureOh, well that's good. Is there an icon in the system tray again?23:26
FersureOr is it still done via KDE notifications (whatever the proper name for them is)?23:26
JontheEchidnakde notifications23:26
FersureAh.23:27
FersureI'm guessing it's too late to request the desktop icons being added back in for 10.04? (User interface freeze and all that?)23:27
JontheEchidnayeah. though we'd be dependent on kpackagekit doing that itself23:28
FersureNo, I mean the desktop icons for 'Home' and 'Wastebin'23:28
FersureSorry, I should have clarified.23:28
JontheEchidnaah23:28
JontheEchidnathose were removed on purpose23:29
FersureNobody liked them? lol23:29
JontheEchidnaCleaner desktop by default, the reasoning was23:29
FersureWell in that case, I think removing the 'Folder View' widget and setting the Desktop Settings to 'Folder View' would do that in a much better way.23:30
JontheEchidnait was a comprimise between making the whole desktop a folderview and removing folderview entirely23:30
FersurePersonally I prefer having the icons on my desktop and having the Desktop set to Folder View.23:31
FersureIt feels more normal. I shouldn't need a plasma widget just to access my ~/Desktop23:31
FersureBut eh, that's my opinion.23:32
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FersureI also wish there was an option to show mounted drives on the Desktop too. Or is that currently possible and I've missed something?23:33
JontheEchidnaI don't believe such a feature exists, no23:34
JontheEchidnaOh, I suppose you could use the device notifier23:35
JontheEchidnait has an option to show all devices23:35
JontheEchidnait won't display them like folderview, though23:35
FersureTrue. I didn't think of how that would look on the Desktop.23:35
FersureI mean it's not all that important in Lucid really. I like the fact that you can integrate the Device Notifier into the system tray.23:36
FersureIf only that'd been done by default rather than keeping the widget seperate from the system tray.23:36
JontheEchidnayeah, plasmoids in the tray is seriously sweet. don't know why they didn't think of it earlier :)23:36
FersureYeah. lol23:36
JontheEchidnaactually, the device notifier should be in the tray by default for 10.04... if it's not then that's a bug23:36
FersureIt's a bug then. Or was when I did a clean install of Alpha3 in a VM.23:37
JontheEchidnaI think we added an upgrade script that moves everything to the tray post-alpha323:37
FersureAh, nice.23:37
JontheEchidnaworks on everything except the message indicator, apparently (There's a bug for that one'23:38
JontheEchidna)23:38
FersureWell when I switched officially from Windows (which was around a year ago now), I found the desktop icons very comforting. Everything was very similar and still easy to access.23:40
FersureWhich was a nice environment to learn in.23:40
FersureThat was in Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu, as that was the first distro I used. But still, it was very handy being able to access/do things easilly.23:41
FersureNow I'm just accustomed to the way I do things. (Old habits die hard, etc.)23:42
JontheEchidnaMy windows desktop was a sea of icons, heh23:42
FersureSo was mine until I added the 'crap' folder. lol23:43
FersureWhich EVERYTHING was shoved into just to make the desktop cleaner.23:43
JontheEchidnalol23:43
JontheEchidnauntil you get more icons and have to make crap223:44
Fersurerofl23:44
Fersuretrue23:44
Fersurebrb, rebooting into lucid.23:44

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