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[00:15] <darkwing-cell> nixternal: ping
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[01:34] <Fersure> Why is there no 'news' item about Beta1 being released?
[01:34] <Fersure> o.o
[01:35] <Fersure> Has it not been released yet?
[01:35] <Riddell> indeed not
[01:40] <NCommander> Fersure: delayed 24 hours
[01:40] <Fersure> ah
[01:52] <Fersure> well, it's the 19th now. :o
[02:06] <Fersure> At what time are pre-releases usually released?
[02:18] <Fersure> Or is there no specific time?
[02:38] <nhandler> Fersure: Probably not until the people in Europe wake up and get things ready
[03:08] <Fersure> nhandler: ah. I'm UTC and it's currently 3:08am.
[07:08] <robinp> where can I pull the beta ISOs from? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview has only bad links
[07:11] <persia> robinp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[07:12] <robinp> persia: roger, I guess I'll just hang round here until it appears :)
[07:13] <persia> robinp: If you have time, and want to help test, that would be appreciated (and help get it out that much faster).
[07:15] <robinp> persia: thats absolutely why i'm waiting for it! I'm also keeping an eye on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidFileSharing -> I'm primarily interested in support for Apple File Protocol
[07:17] <persia> Well, depends on your appetite for rough edges, but if you don't mind a few extra bugs, you can certainly help test the pre-release candidates.
[07:18] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures outlines the procedures for doing candidate testing.
[07:18] <persia> If the candidate works well enough, it may be the beta.  If it fails miserably, beta may take more time.
[07:19] <persia> Err, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/ISO/Procedures looks prettier :)
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[08:31] <Fersure> anyone around?
[08:31] <Fersure> my user/pass for brainstorm isn't working for the iso.qa site
[08:31] <Fersure> yet it says "The user accounts are shared across all of the Ubuntu QA websites including qa.ubuntu.com, brainstorm.ubuntu.com and every sub-domains of qa.ubuntu.com (as iso.qa.ubuntu.com)."
[08:33] <persia> Fersure: I think there are more admins for that in #ubuntu-testing (although I could be mistaken).
[08:33] <persia> The brainstorm account *should* work for iso.qa.
[08:36] <Fersure> okay.
[09:34] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:50] <apachelogger> ahoy Tonio_
[09:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: do you know if we'll get some new kubuntu artwork too ?
[09:53] <apachelogger> Tonio_: a logo we will get
[09:53] <apachelogger> artwork we do have
[09:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:56] <shadeslayer> hmm.. there seems to be slight problem with installation of wicd
[09:56] <shadeslayer> it doesnt remove the kde network manager
[09:57] <apachelogger> it should remove network-manager
[09:57] <apachelogger> not knetworkmanager directly
[09:57] <shadeslayer> both of them should conflict with each other
[09:57] <apachelogger> well
[09:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my point exactly
[09:57] <apachelogger> then I suppose knm now supports wicd too :P
[09:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[09:58] <shadeslayer> oh and the synaptic touchpad works horribly
[09:58] <shadeslayer> lockups all over the place....
[09:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think that you need to tell to people in #ubuntu-x
[09:58] <apachelogger> or better yet report a bug i suppose
[09:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: this is the same issue when jaunty came out
[09:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lucid is not out :P
[09:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and to prevent the issue from being in the final youd need to report it somewhere
[09:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes i know but i meant that its was a known issue in jaunty
[09:59] <persia> and follow-up with any information or testing requests.
[09:59] <shadeslayer> yeah doing that right away
[10:00] <shadeslayer> persia: would be glad too
[10:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: did I miss the plymouth kubuntu work then ?
[10:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I get the ubuntu one here
[10:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: no, we do not have anything there yet
[10:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kk :) that answers my question
[10:01] <apachelogger> IIRC someone is supposed to be working on that... or maybe we are waiting for the new logo
[10:01] <apachelogger> I defenitely know that Riddell decided to use the ubuntu one for now ^^
[10:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: probably
[10:02] <shadeslayer> gah... the touchpad module in kcm disabled my touchpad when i increased the sensitivity
[10:03] <shadeslayer> yeah... setting it to high disables it
[10:08] <shadeslayer> eh,how is this a kdebase issue ?? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/541737
[10:08] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 541737 in kdebase-workspace "Plymouth dont work correctly" [Undecided,New]
[10:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: is the upgrade utility qt4 or just not using oxygen?
[11:14] <apachelogger> http://picasaweb.google.com/apachelogger/Misc#5450300848188969762
[11:14] <apachelogger> fear ze mighty microman
[11:14] <apachelogger> muahahah
[11:14] <nixternal> I am up way to early
[11:14] <apachelogger> >:D
[11:14] <apachelogger> nixternal: you are just in time for lunch :P
[11:14] <nixternal> 06:15 :(
[11:14] <apachelogger> you clock is off
[11:14] <apachelogger> 12:14 it is
[11:15] <apachelogger> kubotu: time
[11:15] <kubotu> apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Fri Mar 19 12:16 CET
[11:15] <apachelogger> see
[11:15] <apachelogger> :P
[11:15]  * apachelogger is upgrading to lucid
[11:15] <apachelogger> :/
[11:15] <nixternal> hrmm, thought you were more than 6 hours ahead of me for some reason
[11:15] <apachelogger> I am a bit shaky
[11:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: time nixternal
[11:16] <kubotu> nixternal is an unknown time.
[11:16] <apachelogger> hm
[11:16] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: help time
[11:16] <kubotu> time <time zone> to get the local time of a certain location. <time zone> can be <Continent/City> or <two character country code>. time <nick> to see the local time of that person if their time zone is set. time admin set <nick> <time zone> to set the time zone for another user. time [admin] reset [nick] to let the bot forget about the tzinfo about someone
[11:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: time admin set nixternal Chicago
[11:16] <kubotu> Chicago is an invalid timezone. Format is Continent/City or a two character country code.
[11:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: time admin set nixternal America/Chicago
[11:17] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that nixternal is on the America/Chicago timezone
[11:17] <a|wen> nixternal: you already switched to summer time while we haven't done that yet ... so temporarily closer ;)
[11:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: time nixternal
[11:17] <kubotu> America - Chicago - Fri Mar 19 06:18 CDT
[11:17] <apachelogger> omg!!!
[11:17] <apachelogger> nixternal: you are up way too early
[11:17] <apachelogger> a|wen: ah, that makes sense
[11:17] <apachelogger> you know
[11:18] <apachelogger> the updater is quite the uglyness
[11:18] <apachelogger> 1. it is qtonly
[11:18] <apachelogger> 2. it does not use oxygen
[11:18] <apachelogger> 3. it references synaptic?!
[11:18] <a|wen> apachelogger: yeah ... for some reason they chose to de-syncronize summer time; more fun and games in timezone world, he
[11:18] <apachelogger> 4. the dialogs are inconstent IMHO
[11:18] <apachelogger> needs gsoc project :P
[11:18] <nixternal> yeah, instead of -06:00 we are now -05:00
[11:19] <apachelogger> a|wen: dst needs to be dropped anyway
[11:19]  * a|wen nods
[11:21] <a|wen> apachelogger: in general the updater looks okay here; can't tell if it is styled differently than the rest of my apps ... but yeah, the dialogs could use some love
[11:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you mind if I split out the binaries in kdebase-workspace a little more?  When I did the split for 4.4, I missed at least one.  The only rdepend it will affect is plasma-mobile and I'll make sure that gets taken care of.
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[11:30] <apachelogger_> kubotu: hi
[11:30] <kubotu> hola, apachelogger_!
[11:30] <jussi01> o/ apachelogger_
[11:33] <ScottK> apachelogger_: I'm curious for your opinion on reverting http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1025437 - It seems responsible for a lot of .Xsessions-errors spamming.
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[11:51] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ same question for you?
[11:58] <Riddell> ScottK: if that's the cause of bug 540944 I'm all for it
[11:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 540944 in kde4libs "kde debugging enabled by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540944
[11:58] <Riddell> ScottK: worth asking dfaure what his intention was though
[11:58] <apachelogger_> yeah
[11:58] <apachelogger_> also
[11:58] <apachelogger_> we can regulate debuggingness via one config file
[11:58] <apachelogger_> that then can be changed on a per-user basis via kdebugdialog
[11:59] <apachelogger_> that would be what we had before, I think that was archived via some cmake option though
[11:59] <apachelogger_> or a patch to kdebase-runtime
[11:59]  * apachelogger_ cant really remember ^^
[11:59] <apachelogger_> ScottK: debian sure would know since they made it not do debug spam
[12:00] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Debian has this problem now too.  I found that commit from their IRC discussions.
[12:00] <apachelogger_> ScottK: well, I would go talk to dfaure about it
[12:01] <ScottK> Riddell: MoDaX already poked dfaure, so I'll ask him to let us know what he finds out.
[12:01] <ScottK> apachelogger_: ^^
[12:01] <apachelogger_> but from where I stand we simply need to drop a config in either /etc or kubuntu-default-settings
[12:02] <Riddell> 08_add_debian_build_type.diff in kde4libs is ment to turn off debugging by default
[12:03] <apachelogger_> Riddell: that is what dfaure worked around with that commit :)
[12:03] <ScottK> Riddell: You can see the discussion about 3 hours ago on #debian-qt-kde (I assume you have it in your backscroll)
[12:04] <Riddell> yes, maybe he decided to use distro packages one day and got annoyed debugging wasn't on by default
[12:05] <apachelogger_> well, he just needs to run kdebugdialog and tick all :P
[12:06] <Riddell> I think this may not be how dfaure approaches a problem :)
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[12:06] <apacehlogger> Riddell: true :D
[12:22] <Riddell> Nightrose: how do I say "Kubuntu 10.04 will be the first LTS with KDE 4" in new branding terms?
[12:23] <ScottK> Heh.
[12:47] <shadeslayer> apacehlogger: reported : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/541868
[12:47] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 541868 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Synaptic touchpad has soft lockups in lucid" [Undecided,New]
[12:59] <Zorael> Was the tray icon for the network management widget changed, or is my icon cache borked? (from the experimental ppa)
[13:00] <apacehlogger> hm
[13:00] <apacehlogger> agateau: is it a known bug that the context menu stuff for kopete overlaps itself?
[13:00] <apacehlogger> i.e. if I move over an entry with sub menu, that menu will place itself ontop of the present one and prevent me from going back
[13:00] <shadeslayer> Zorael: oh do you have a nvidia card?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> apacehlogger: the wicd bug is apparently known : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/527896
[13:01] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 527896 in wicd "missing info about conflict with network-manager package" [Undecided,New]
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apacehlogger: btw the kubuntu experimental ppa,whats it all about?
[13:03] <apacehlogger> experimental stuff
[13:04] <shadeslayer> ah ok...
[13:04] <apacehlogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs#Kubuntu Experimental
[13:04] <Zorael> shadeslayer: No, intel graphics (netbook)
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Zorael: hmm.. well in nvidia cards all the icons are borked... maybe intel has the same issue?
[13:05] <shadeslayer> Zorael: http://imagebin.ca/view/bMucXTDn.html
[13:07] <Zorael> shadeslayer: Perhaps borked is a poor choice of words, this looks very intentional - sec, I'll upload a screenshot
[13:07] <shadeslayer> Zorael: hehe,i meant icons are all scrambled
[13:07] <shadeslayer> Zorael: i filed a bug against this a few days ago...
[13:08] <Zorael> shadeslayer: http://bayimg.com/CalMmAAcf
[13:09] <shadeslayer> Zorael: wheres the problem?
[13:10] <Zorael> shadeslayer: The tray icon didn't use to look like that; it used to look like the wlan essid entries' icon. The current tray icon looks like something I replaced knetworkmanager's icon with earlier (taken from kde-look) but since removed, and suddenly it returns and hijacks the widget's
[13:10] <Zorael> hence wondering if it's changed or if my icon cache is messing with me .3
[13:10] <Zorael> :3*
[13:10] <shadeslayer> oh...
[13:11] <shadeslayer> Zorael: tried refreshing the whole KDE cache?
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is this where kdeartwork would show up? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/report.html
[13:11] <shadeslayer> weird : http://pastebin.ca/1845664
[13:11] <Zorael> shadeslayer: No, I don't know the command for that, I tried deleting stuff in the cache directory but it didn't change even after a plasma-desktop restart
[13:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes. it disappeared!
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> :)
[13:12] <apacehlogger> magic
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Zorael: use kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[13:14] <shadeslayer> Zorael: hows the nm in experimental ppa?
[13:14] <Zorael> shadeslayer: still looks the same. The icon in the tooltip looks right, but the icon itself is as in the screenshot. (Hence my wondering if it's intentional)
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Zorael: um youll need to close the nm in order to see the changes..
[13:15] <shadeslayer> afaik...
[13:15] <Zorael> shadeslayer: I restarted plasma-desktop, thought that'd be enough
[13:16] <shadeslayer> hmm that is enough...
[13:16] <shadeslayer> i just hate my trackpad right now
[13:16] <apacehlogger> throw it out the window!
[13:16] <apacehlogger> ^^
[13:16] <Zorael> shadeslayer: as for how stuff from experimental works; fine so far, except for some minor packaging issues. Can't install the -pptp package, for one;
[13:16] <Zorael> plasma-widget-networkmanagement-pptp: Depends: knm-runtime (= 0.9~svn1102346-0ubuntu1~ppa2) but 0.9~svn1102346-0ubuntu1~ppa4 is installed.
[13:16] <shadeslayer> apacehlogger: i gave it to LP for fixing :D
[13:16] <apacehlogger> Sput: uhh the new highlight animation rox!
[13:17]  * apacehlogger didnt see highlights half the time with the old animation
[13:17] <shadeslayer> apacehlogger: highlights?
[13:17] <Sput> apacehlogger: and the statusnotifier stuff even animates the blinking :)
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[13:17] <apachelogger> all so blingy
[13:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: irc highlights
[13:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with quassel?
[13:18] <apachelogger> yes
[13:18] <shadeslayer> ah ok..
[13:18] <shadeslayer> hardly use quassel.. only in college,since idk how to set up irssi with a proxied net
[13:18] <shadeslayer> A icon on the desktop in the live CD would be nice though
[13:19] <shadeslayer> pointing the user to the right support channels
[13:21] <shadeslayer> brb
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[13:29] <shadeslayer> hmm... shouldnt the nm plasma widget show that its connected to a wired network?
[13:34] <shtylman> Riddell: have any logo breakthroughs while you slept? :)
[13:35] <shadeslayer> shtylman: dont think so
[13:35] <davmor2> shtylman: did you get the kubuntu/wubi bug?
[13:36] <shtylman> davmor2: I see it, im not too familiar with wubi
[13:36] <shtylman> what it does or how it works
[13:38] <shtylman> wouldn't it just launch the regular installer?
[13:38] <davmor2> shtylman: I don't think it is actually wubi at fault, basically it calls ubiquity in an automatic install mode and it's that bit that is broken as I understand it have a word with evan though and I'm sure he can bring you up to speed :)
[13:38] <shtylman> or does it launch it in some different way
[13:38] <shtylman> davmor2: gotcha.. ok we will look into that
[13:41] <Tonio_> hum ppas broken ?
[13:41] <Tonio_> seems like the ftp server is down
[13:43] <agateau> apachelogger: yes, known bug which I need to fix
[13:43] <agateau> (sorry for the delay, was away)
[13:50] <shadeslayer> btw any ideas when beta 1 will be released? it was supposed to be yesterday :P
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[13:58] <apachelogger> agateau: k :)
[13:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: when it is ready :P
[13:59] <Riddell> agateau: we had another issue that if you disable the systray icon in kmix it doesn't disappear, just becomes inactive
[14:00] <agateau> Riddell: not sure whether this was intentional or not
[14:00] <agateau> Riddell: but can be fixed
[14:00] <agateau> Riddell: will ask kmix maintainer before
[14:00] <agateau> s/before/first
[14:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna found it, not sure if he had the same issue in other apps
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah, in the print-manager print daemon, currently in playground
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> it deletes the statusnotifieritem to make it go away
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> leaving a dead icon
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> though right now I can't say I have any statusnotifieritems. They're all boring old tray icons now :(
[14:05] <agateau> JontheEchidna: if the ksni instance is deleted, the icon should go away
[14:05] <agateau> JontheEchidna: there is a bug if it does not
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> agateau: To reproduce with KMix, go to the KMix settings, change any option and hit "OK"
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> that will cause kmix to delete and create a new KSNI
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> leaving the old kmix icon around, that will do nothing except show its old tooltip/menu
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> and I don't think it created the new one last time I tested
[14:06] <agateau> JontheEchidna: it works here
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> it didn't work for me or Riddell the other day
[14:07] <agateau> JontheEchidna: but my system has not been updated since at least one week
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> since a few days ago, none of my tray icons are ksni's anymore, so I can't test anymore :(
[14:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: There was a one day delay announced to finish testing.
[14:08] <agateau> JontheEchidna: might be a dbus namespace issue
[14:08] <agateau> will have a look
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[14:09] <Sput> agateau: did the StatusNotifier spec move to  fdo yet?
[14:09] <agateau> Sput: no
[14:09] <Sput> k
[14:18] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: apachelogger ah ok
[14:20] <shadeslayer_> ikonia: ssup with your connection ? :P
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: You said you'll have a kdebase-workspace upload later today?
[14:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes.
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I might have a fix for bug 439627 in a bit
[14:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 439627 in qbzr-eclipse "Running update should refresh effected projects" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439627
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> hum
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I might have a fix for bug 539627 in a bit
[14:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 539627 in kdebase-workspace "ksplash disappears before plasma-netbook loaded" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539627
[14:30] <ScottK> If you have stuff, just stick in in bzr and I'll pull the updates.
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> k
[14:30] <ScottK> Cool.
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[14:31] <JontheEchidna> basically plasma-desktop tells ksmserver to keep kplash around for a little longer, and tells it to resume once it's loaded the wallpaper. plasma-netbook doesn't do this (yet)
[14:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: how does it do that?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: a dbus call
[14:32] <ScottK> Nice.
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> this is how plasma-desktop does things: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/desktop/shell/plasmaapp.cpp?r1=1044495&r2=1044494&pathrev=1044495
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> I'm porting the patch to -netbook
[14:32] <Riddell> clever
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[14:37]  * shadeslayer_ wonders if he should install gnome as well...
[14:37] <shadeslayer_> havent tried it out in a while..
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[14:40] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: wth! amarok still doesnt depend on libssl-dev !
[14:40] <shadeslayer_> im compiling from git
[14:41] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1845730
[14:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I just pushed what I have so far to bzr, so please base your work off that.
[14:58] <shadeslayer_> oh yay.. ubuntu released beta 1 :D
[15:14] <ejat> shadeslayer_: upgrade already?
[15:15] <shadeslayer_> ejat: dunno...
[15:16] <shadeslayer_> lemme check
[15:16] <shadeslayer_> ejat: heres the dent : qB%.B`{w
[15:16] <shadeslayer_> oi
[15:16] <shadeslayer_> : #Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Beta 1 Out for Testing - The #Lucid #Lynx Chronicles - Softpedia http://ur1.ca/qjxa
[15:16] <ejat> ?
[15:16] <ejat> :)
[15:17] <shadeslayer_> ejat: :D
[15:18] <shadeslayer_> ejat: ah now i understand why the main servers kept timing out
[15:19] <shadeslayer_> too much load due to the update/upgrade
[15:20] <ejat> yeah .. im also doing it now .. with a slower connection .. in hometown village .. using broadband ...
[15:20] <ejat> a few day here .. b4 going back to town with a better broadband connection :)
[15:22] <shadeslayer_> :)
[15:24] <shadeslayer_> bl
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[16:41] <ScottK> Riddell: You're planning on covering the release meeting for Kubuntu?
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[16:41] <Riddell> yes indeedy
[16:41] <ScottK> OK.
[16:42] <Riddell> report at bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus if you have anything to add
[16:42] <ScottK> It'd be nice to give doko a thank you for fixing qt4-x11 on IA64.  Looking.
[16:43] <Riddell> blamo http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-beta-1
[16:45] <davmor2> Riddell: you forgot the wubi = fail
[16:45] <Riddell> davmor2: forgot where?
[16:45] <davmor2> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LucidLynx/Beta1/Kubuntu
[16:47] <Riddell> adding
[16:48] <ScottK> whoever owns http://twitter.com/kubuntu_news ought to get busy.
[16:50] <persia> Isn't that just done with bot wranging?
[16:50] <persia> l
[16:51] <ScottK> No idea.
[16:54] <ScottK> Riddell: You're on.
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> From what I can tell, ksplash is going away before plasma-netbook even starts :/
[16:59] <Riddell> ScottK: seems that twitter account is linked from the identi.ca/kubuntu account
[16:59] <ScottK> Any idea who has that one?
[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: what this about splitting kdebase-workspace?
[17:00] <ScottK> kubuntunetbook is done by me on both.
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[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: I have identi.ca/kubuntu, it's updated
[17:01] <ScottK> Riddell: We need to split libplasmagenericshell out of workspace-bin before release or have to carry conflicts/replaces for two years.
[17:01] <ScottK> I missed that when I did the splitout for 4.4.
[17:01] <ScottK> (debian got it right)
[17:01] <ScottK> It also helps with plasma-mobile.
[17:01] <Riddell> so it's in a package of its own?
[17:01] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:01] <Riddell> why is that needed, workspace-bin is installed everywhere no?
[17:02] <ScottK> The SO's with versioned sonames are split out into seprate binaries.
[17:02] <Riddell> if it's what debian is doing that's fine though
[17:02] <ScottK> +usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so.4
[17:02] <ScottK> +usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so.4.4.0
[17:02] <ScottK> It should have been seperate from the beginning of 4.4.
[17:03] <ScottK> Debian's got it split, so I want to match it before release so we don't have to carry a diff.
[17:03] <Riddell> does it mean rdepends being rebuilt?
[17:03] <ScottK> Just plasma-mobile.
[17:03] <ScottK> I'll deal with that too.
[17:03] <Riddell> that's not in the archive is it?
[17:03] <persia> It's not (or shouldn't be).
[17:04] <persia> Last word I had was that upstream didn't want it in the archive until lucid+1
[17:04] <ScottK> The only users of libplasmagenericshell are the three plasmas (desktop, netbook, mobil).
[17:04] <ScottK> Oh.
[17:05]  * ScottK missed that.
[17:05] <ScottK> Then there's no in archive rdepends that need rebuilding.
[17:05] <Riddell> problem solved :)
[17:05] <persia> \o/
[17:05] <ScottK> (the workspace upload will take care of desktop and netbook.
[17:05] <ScottK> Riddell: OK to go ahead then?
[17:05] <Riddell> do it
[17:05] <ScottK> OK.
[17:06] <persia> ScottK: FYI: Most recent update I have is that plasma-mobile will do a full release ~ September, and we will be able to have in-archive snapshots leading up to that in lucid+1 from pre-FF.
[17:07] <ScottK> persia: As part of KDE SC 4.5?
[17:07] <persia> That's not something that has been communicated to me yet.
[17:07] <ScottK> That sounds a little late for 4.5, so probably not.
[17:08] <persia> Not would make sense from what I've heard, but I suspect there's ambition.  We'll see.
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Congrats on the release :)
[17:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I've pushed my workspace changes in bzr.  I think we just need Jon the Taco's stuff.
[17:16] <jussi01> Jon the taco... lol :D
[17:17] <ScottK> I can't spell is nick, so if tab completion doesn't get it for me ....
[17:17] <shadeslayer> btw i think the scrambled icons bug should also be added in the wiki page
[17:18] <shadeslayer> and its gone far beyond the systray now :
[17:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: got the bug no?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: one sec
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540242
[17:27] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 540242 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "Scrambled icons in Lucid daily build iso's" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: if it's a X problem, it wouldn't go on the Kubuntu list.
[17:27] <shadeslayer> and idk what happened with apport.. i did the said command and no extra info got added
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ohh...
[17:28] <ScottK> There's a different foundations team list.
[17:28] <verbalshadow> any idea why my touchpad wouldn't show up in the touchpad KCM?
[17:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you ask on #ubuntu-bugs about that apport collect issue?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure...im just running it one more time to be sure
[17:31] <shadeslayer> btw im just testing out the install debug symbols button right now..everything seems fine :P
[17:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok it attached it this time : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/540242
[17:32] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 540242 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "Scrambled icons in Lucid daily build iso's" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> How do I make plasma-netbook start on startup? I installed kubuntu-netbook-default-settings and that worked, but then I rebooted and now it's starting plasma-desktop :(
[17:33] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i want the exact opposite on my machine :P
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> let's switch computers :D
[17:34] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hehe
[17:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you have both installed, theres a control in systemsettings.
[17:35] <Riddell> ~/.config/autostart/ is what it changes
[17:35] <verbalshadow> JontheEchidna: under systemsettings->desktop ->workspace
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[17:36] <shadeslayer> oh and btw does kde takeover the mouse from KDM after logging in?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> since my touchpad works fine till kdm and after i log in it goes all crazy
[17:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I got my workspace stuff in bzr, so feel free to upload when you're ready.
[17:37] <Riddell> mouse is an X thing, although something might be changing settings at startup
[17:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well ive reported a bug against the xorg synaptic driver... was just checking to be sure
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: still testing. I think I have it almost licked though
[17:37] <ScottK> Cool.
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> ...and, success!
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> I'll try to get this upstream too
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Oh and the temprature plasma widget shows temps always in Fahrenheit
[17:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: #plasma-netbook is a good channel to discuss that.
[17:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: awooga!
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[17:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: pushed
[17:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm going to take the whole update, push it to my PPA and then test on my netbook before I upload it.
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> Sounds good. Let me know how kplash goes please.
[17:59] <ScottK> OK.  What am I looking for?
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: When ksplash goes away, the wallpaper should already be there
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> what you don't want to see is a black screen, then plasma-netbook loading
[18:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You forgot bzr add.
[18:01] <ScottK> OK.
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: pushed
[18:01] <ScottK> OK.
[18:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded to my PPA.  Time to wait ...
[18:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: notmart is in #plasma-netbook.  You might discuss upstreaming your patch with him.
[18:22] <txwikinger> Can you do upgrades from the CD now, or only new installations?
[18:23] <Riddell> txwikinger: yes you can upgrade from the alternate CD, that's always been an option
[18:27] <txwikinger> Riddell: I was just wondering about the mailinglist discussion
[18:31] <Riddell> txwikinger: which one?  about nepomuk settings?
[18:31] <txwikinger> Riddell: No, the one about Release Candidate 1 testing
[18:31] <Riddell> yes, it mostly seems to be about nepomuk settings
[18:33] <steveire> I'm looking for Boost.Asio, but it doesn't seem to be available in ubuntu repos. Am I missing something?
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> !info libasio-dev
[18:35] <ubottu> libasio-dev (source: asio): cross-platform C++ library for network programming. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-3ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 204 kB, installed size 1988 kB
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> that might be it
[18:38] <steveire> JontheEchidna: Apparently that's not the boost one. It's a separate release which conflicts with my boost 1.40
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> bug 227947
[18:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 227947 in boost "Packages for Boost.Asio and Boost.System missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227947
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> sigh
[18:39] <steveire> Nads
[18:40] <ScottK> Bah.  Rejected, exceeded my space ....
[18:40]  * ScottK tries again somewhere else.
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> Could a core-dev confirm the nomination on bug 542104 please?
[18:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 542104 in kdepim-runtime "KRes migrator pops up on clean install, wastes 25 MB RAM" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542104
[18:50] <Fersure> Yay! Beta1 has been released! :D
[19:34] <Fersure> Does the wiki have any guides on updating to a Kubuntu pre-release?
[19:35] <Fersure> If not, I'd love to help out by writing a guide. :D
[19:37] <Fersure> Anyone know?
[19:37] <Riddell> yes there is an upgrade guide
[19:39] <Fersure> Oh. I couldn't find it.
[19:39] <Fersure> A guide for upgrading to a pre-release I mean.
[19:39] <Fersure> Oh.
[19:39] <Fersure> I do now. lol
[19:40] <Fersure> I never saw it before with the alphas and such.
[20:03] <Riddell> Mamarok, jefferai: I've added the missing dependency on mysql, my appologies for the problem.
[20:03] <Riddell> Version 2.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 should be appearing in the PPA soon
[20:10] <jefferai> Riddell: ah, cool
[20:10] <jefferai> ok
[20:15] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks a lot :)
[20:27] <ScottK> Meh.  Used the wrong revision for conflicts/replaces.  Trying again ...
[20:32] <shtylman> Riddell: nice beta1 graphic :p
[21:27] <dantti> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84745 kpk 0.6.0 is out, next version I'll add the update icon of apachelogger... got to go now.. cya...
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> But is PackageKit 0.6.x api stable?
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> ah, he left
[22:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Works.  Uploading momentarily.
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> yay
[22:34] <ScottK> There is a bit of an oddity that if you have a session saved, the saved apps start before plasma-netbook reappears so you see them for a moment then go back to ksplash until plasma-netbook arrives.
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> huh
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[22:43] <ScottK> Uploaded. Thanks for taking care of it.
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome. It was a satisfying fix.
[22:51] <Fersure> I've found an error in the 'upgrade to Lucid'. Well, I think it's an error..
[22:51] <Fersure> "This is still a ALPHA release."
[22:51] <Fersure> Shouldn't it say 'BETA'?
[22:53] <Fersure> Or are all pre-releases classed as 'ALPHA releases'?
[23:13] <Fersure> nobody around?
[23:17] <ScottK> Fersure: It should say beta now.
[23:17] <Fersure> ScottK: Ah ok. Should I report a bug? Or is mentioning it here enough?
[23:18] <ScottK> Fersure: Where's the link?
[23:18] <Fersure> ScottK: Link to what? o.o
[23:18] <ScottK> Fersure: Where are these instructions?
[23:18] <Fersure> Oh.
[23:18] <Fersure> Well I mean in the actual upgrade.
[23:18] <ScottK> Ah.
[23:19] <ScottK> I think that should have been removed entirely.
[23:19] <ScottK> shtylman would know if he were around.
[23:19] <Fersure> And there's a screenshot of it in the upgrade instructions too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:19] <Fersure> You can barely see it, but it says 'ALPHA release' there. :P
[23:20] <ScottK> Fersure: Please file a bug against ubiquity.
[23:21] <Fersure> Ubiquity handles distribution upgrades? o.o
[23:21] <ScottK> Oh, wait.
[23:21] <ScottK> No, that'd be upgrade or update manager.
[23:21] <ScottK> I can never remember.
[23:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ?
[23:22] <soee_> ok i answerd all wuestion in kubuntu feedback, hope it will help :)
[23:22] <ScottK> Great.
[23:22] <Fersure> update-notifier-kde is the program launched in order to perform the upgrade.
[23:22] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[23:22] <ScottK> Fersure: That's where the bug goes then.
[23:22] <Fersure> I'm not sure if it launches a seperate program or not though.
[23:22] <Fersure> Okay.
[23:22] <Fersure> Thanks for the help ScottK. :)
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> acutally, update-notifier-kde doesn't run the upgrade
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> it runs the program that runs the upgrade, if one is available
[23:23] <Fersure> Yeah, that'd make more sense.
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> update-manager-kde does the actual updating
[23:23] <Fersure> And update-notifier-kde is no longer supported by Canonical in 10.04?
[23:23] <Fersure> What handles the updates then?
[23:24] <Fersure> I prefered the way things were in Jaunty. You had the desktop icons by default, an icon in the system tray for updates/distro upgrades.
[23:25] <Fersure> So much simpler, which is the point of Kubuntu after all. :)
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> replaced by kubuntu-notification-helper
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> acutally kpackagekit does distro notifications now
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> *distro upgrade notifications
[23:26] <Fersure> Oh, well that's good. Is there an icon in the system tray again?
[23:26] <Fersure> Or is it still done via KDE notifications (whatever the proper name for them is)?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> kde notifications
[23:27] <Fersure> Ah.
[23:27] <Fersure> I'm guessing it's too late to request the desktop icons being added back in for 10.04? (User interface freeze and all that?)
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah. though we'd be dependent on kpackagekit doing that itself
[23:28] <Fersure> No, I mean the desktop icons for 'Home' and 'Wastebin'
[23:28] <Fersure> Sorry, I should have clarified.
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> ah
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> those were removed on purpose
[23:29] <Fersure> Nobody liked them? lol
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> Cleaner desktop by default, the reasoning was
[23:30] <Fersure> Well in that case, I think removing the 'Folder View' widget and setting the Desktop Settings to 'Folder View' would do that in a much better way.
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> it was a comprimise between making the whole desktop a folderview and removing folderview entirely
[23:31] <Fersure> Personally I prefer having the icons on my desktop and having the Desktop set to Folder View.
[23:31] <Fersure> It feels more normal. I shouldn't need a plasma widget just to access my ~/Desktop
[23:32] <Fersure> But eh, that's my opinion.
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[23:33] <Fersure> I also wish there was an option to show mounted drives on the Desktop too. Or is that currently possible and I've missed something?
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> I don't believe such a feature exists, no
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I suppose you could use the device notifier
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> it has an option to show all devices
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> it won't display them like folderview, though
[23:35] <Fersure> True. I didn't think of how that would look on the Desktop.
[23:36] <Fersure> I mean it's not all that important in Lucid really. I like the fact that you can integrate the Device Notifier into the system tray.
[23:36] <Fersure> If only that'd been done by default rather than keeping the widget seperate from the system tray.
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> yeah, plasmoids in the tray is seriously sweet. don't know why they didn't think of it earlier :)
[23:36] <Fersure> Yeah. lol
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> actually, the device notifier should be in the tray by default for 10.04... if it's not then that's a bug
[23:37] <Fersure> It's a bug then. Or was when I did a clean install of Alpha3 in a VM.
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> I think we added an upgrade script that moves everything to the tray post-alpha3
[23:37] <Fersure> Ah, nice.
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> works on everything except the message indicator, apparently (There's a bug for that one'
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> )
[23:40] <Fersure> Well when I switched officially from Windows (which was around a year ago now), I found the desktop icons very comforting. Everything was very similar and still easy to access.
[23:40] <Fersure> Which was a nice environment to learn in.
[23:41] <Fersure> That was in Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu, as that was the first distro I used. But still, it was very handy being able to access/do things easilly.
[23:42] <Fersure> Now I'm just accustomed to the way I do things. (Old habits die hard, etc.)
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> My windows desktop was a sea of icons, heh
[23:43] <Fersure> So was mine until I added the 'crap' folder. lol
[23:43] <Fersure> Which EVERYTHING was shoved into just to make the desktop cleaner.
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> until you get more icons and have to make crap2
[23:44] <Fersure> rofl
[23:44] <Fersure> true
[23:44] <Fersure> brb, rebooting into lucid.