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cjohnstonic.. what is the reasoning hebind this decision?00:00
cjohnstonbehind00:00
seb128cjohnston, there is no tooltips on menus if those act as a menu now00:05
seb128and tooltips tend to clutter visually when not required00:06
seb128you can click on the icon it's almost no difference, same mouse position just a button to press00:06
seb128the battery info is in the menu directly00:06
cjohnstonbut then you have to click off to continue with whatever you were working on00:08
cjohnstonso two extra steps00:08
cjohnstoni realize they arent huge00:09
cjohnstonbut still00:09
seb128cjohnston, I'm not the one to discussion design with, try the ayatana mailing list00:18
cjohnstonthanks seb12800:18
seb128cjohnston, but usually you shouldn't have to click often00:18
seb128volume, power, etc have icons which should be clear00:19
cjohnstonmy battery dies quick00:19
seb128well the icon + bubbles on low level are infos you need usually00:20
seb128but feel free to argue on the ayatana list or raise the topic there rather00:20
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cjohnstonthanks00:21
cjohnstonwill do00:21
nigelbbug 54144600:34
ubot4`Launchpad bug 541446 in ttf-okolaks (Ubuntu) "Sync ttf-okolaks 0.5-2.3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54144600:34
Damascenehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ttf-freefont/+bug/54004203:35
ubot4`Launchpad bug 540042 in ttf-freefont (Ubuntu) "Freeserif Arabic version is broken (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]03:35
Damascenecould any one help?03:35
ddecatorcan you be more specific about what "help" involves?03:36
drew212micahg: you there mate?03:55
micahgdrew212: yes03:56
drew212micahg: want to look at that bug and try to triage it?03:56
micahgnot at the moment :)03:56
micahgwrestling with a build error03:56
drew212micahg: its like a skeleton in my closet =P03:56
ddecatoryay for build errors...03:57
micahgddecator: I'm working on xulrunner 193 not building with gcc4.4 right now03:57
drew212i wish i had time to attend a bugday meeting with my loco so i could learn more about ubuntu and triaging but i just dont have time right now =X03:57
micahgdrew212: tis ok, just ask questions :)03:58
drew212lol, well right now im working on physics, schrodringer's equation anyone? =D03:59
ddecatornot so much...03:59
ddecatormicahg: fair enough, haha, i'm going to try and figure out my problem somehow so you can concentrate on that04:00
micahgdrew212: the bug is triaged and the bug isn't triaged :)04:00
drew212how's that?04:00
micahgschrodringer's cat :)04:01
drew212ohh, yes!04:01
micahgif I don't look at the bug tonight, it's triaged and not triaged ;)04:01
ddecatoris that the cat in the box and there is no cat in the box+04:01
ddecator?04:01
micahgddecator: you don't know if the cat is alive or not, so he said that it's both alive and not alive04:02
ddecatormicahg: ahhhh, that's the one...04:02
ddecatordrew212: good luck with that =p04:02
* micahg isn't sure which equation drew212 is working on04:02
drew212the probability equation =P04:03
micahgheh04:03
drew212i have to solve it for a system =X04:03
drew212i posted my question up on physics forums if anyone wants to look =P http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=2631177#post263117704:28
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thekorngood morning07:08
ddecatormornin' thekorn07:08
thekornhey ddecator07:08
kermiac_crimsun: I had linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.31-19-generic installed from ubuntu audio dev ppa on karmic. after .20 kernel update (a while ago) i lost sound. I fixed it by manually installing linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.31-20-generic from same ppa. I verified this on 2 diff config laptops. should these packages update automatically or do I have to manually install after a kernel revision update (i.e. if/when 2.6.31-21 is released)?07:49
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EzraRif a sound card is not listed in gnome-volume-control where do you guys think the bug might be?13:16
EzraRalsa? pulse?13:16
manishnigelb, yeah.13:43
nigelbmanish: okay, so you're trying to contribute to triaging and feel a bit lost?13:43
manishi did traging since that takes least amount of time13:43
nigelbtrue13:43
manishand most of my contributions have basically been fixing papercuts13:44
nigelbfirst thing, triaging is not about fixing13:44
manishnigelb, i mean i tried fixing a few bugs13:44
manishmostly in papercuts13:44
nigelbWhat I'm trying to say is that you need not worry about the code base for adopting a package13:45
manishthen?13:45
nigelbmostly, what you need to know is the package and how it works13:45
nigelbtriagers dont fix bugs, we only make sure that its easier for the people who actually fix the bugs13:46
manishnigelb, that's what i usually did13:46
manishand sometimes fixed a few bugs too.. in papercuts13:46
nigelbthat is great :)13:46
nigelbwhats your LP ID?13:46
manishbut couldn't fix more complicated bugs13:46
manishsince codebase is not documented most of the time13:47
nigelbyou dont need to worry much about fixing13:47
manishnigelb, look at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/53984713:47
ubot4`Launchpad bug 539847 in xchat (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "XChat should use the Humanity icon (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged]13:47
manishi filed it.. but no response upstream13:47
manishwanted to fix it downstream13:47
manishthe codebase has lots of cryptic filesnames13:47
manishlike inbound13:47
nigelbsome upstreams might be unresponsive13:48
manishthat's the problem13:48
manishi wanted to fix it downstream13:48
manishas i felt that upstream wont be interested13:48
manishsince they want to make it distro agnostic13:49
manishmy request was just to make xchat use the current theme's icon and use it's as the fallback13:49
manishnigelb, basically you look at the code or the packaging?13:49
nigelbmanish: mostly packaging13:50
manishas MOTU?13:50
nigelbI tend to leave the actual fixing to upstream folks13:50
nigelbI'm not yet there, but working to MOTU13:50
manishpackaging as in sense?13:50
nigelbmanish: packing for Ubuntu/Debian13:51
manisheven Debian? good13:51
nigelbgetting the source and making them into .debs and into the repos13:51
nigelb(and making sure they work)13:51
manishi think the latter part is more important13:52
nigelbthats part of the thing ;)13:52
nigelbmanish: what you do is actually awesome, you look into code written by others and fix it.  I can never do that13:52
nigelbthe thing about contributions are you look at what you are good at and concentrate on that.13:53
manishnigelb, that is a pain..  since most open source project has undocumented codebase13:53
manishand cryptic filenames13:53
manishi tried fixing that bug13:53
manishbut the filenames and variable names are just too complex13:53
nigelbmanish: tried asking the good folks in ayatana about this?13:54
manishnigelb, asked vishnooo13:54
manish*Vishnoo13:54
nigelbmanish: the mailing list/13:54
manishnope. not the list13:54
nigelbask the list.  You might get help from someone who's itching to help.  Who knows13:54
manishwill the changes be committed now?13:54
manishi think there are many freezes in effect13:55
mrburnshi manish:  i am interested in working on and fixing bugs what is a good way to learn or start?13:55
manishmrburns, this is what me and nigelb are discussing13:55
nigelbmanish: well, it can be fixed for lucid+113:55
manishmrburns, you know programming?13:55
manishnigelb, that is the only hope left13:56
mrburnsmanish: yeah i studied at school13:56
manishmrburns, C ?13:56
mrburnsmanish: mostly C++ but some C13:56
manishnigelb, when you started with contributing to Ubuntu?13:56
manishmrburns, I was looking at the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/53984713:56
ubot4`Launchpad bug 539847 in xchat (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "XChat should use the Humanity icon (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged]13:56
nigelbmanish: around sep 200913:56
manishbut looks a bit complex13:57
manishnigelb, cool.. and you now a ubuntu member?13:57
nigelbmanish: yep13:57
manishwho sponsored?13:57
nigelbthere is no sponsorship.  you apply to regional membership board and they look at your contributions and decide13:57
manishyou must have showed your contributions to Rhythmbox13:58
nigelbthat was only part of it.13:58
nigelbI'm part of at least 6 teams13:59
nigelband there were fair number of contributions on all of them13:59
manishI have been using it since 3.5 years13:59
manishit = Ubuntu13:59
manishbut never was able to contribute much13:59
nigelbmanish: if you have a lack of time, thats understandable :)14:00
nigelbI just took a look at the bugs you've triaged and its 3214:01
manishnigelb, sort of.. sometimes very free, sometimes very busy14:01
manish32 is still a small number14:01
nigelbI'd encourage doing 5 a day14:01
nigelbits a best way to learn.  I used to it.  Until I got too much pressed for time14:02
nigelbnowadays I just pick a day and do only triage14:02
manishi used to do 5-a-day around 1.5 yrs back14:02
manishbut then left it14:02
nigelbdid you have a mentor in bug squad?14:02
manishnigelb, nope :(14:03
nigelbmanish: ask for one then :)14:03
mrburnsnigelb: should i just work on triaging for now before i get into fixing bugs14:03
manishmrburns, do triaging14:03
manishit's the basic thing14:03
nigelbmrburns: triage first I'd say.  then the odd bug you feel you can fix, you can try and fix.  something like a typo or spell error or some easy stuff14:04
manishnigelb, ^^ +114:04
mrburnsmanish: yeah i have done a little triaging but still need to learn a lot14:04
nigelbmrburns: get stuck, ask here14:05
manishmrburns, i have been doing triaging since last 2 years, but never got time to do more14:05
nigelbhggdh: you around?14:06
mrburnsmanish: should i just stick to certain types of bugs to learn or just pick some at random14:06
manishmrburns, which you understand14:06
manishor traig bugs for those packages which you use a lot14:06
manishlike vlc14:06
manishfirefox14:07
manishxchat, pidgin, empathy14:07
mrburnsmansih: ok i use those a lot like vlc, firefox, pidgin, empathy14:07
manishmrburns, this is what I am also thinking of doing14:08
manishI am returning back to 5-a-day after 1.5 yrs14:08
mrburnsmanish: yeah i am starting off with one a day until i get the hang of it14:08
manishmrburns, it's all a learning process14:09
nigelbmrburns: all of started the same way... 1 a day, 2 a day14:09
manishone huge minus point with me is that I have never fixed any serious bug14:09
manishand I am not regular14:09
manishso was asking nigelb how to contribute regularly. as he does14:09
nigelbmanish: well, again, fixing bugs is not what bug squad does :)14:10
manishnigelb, many people of bug squad might also like to fix14:10
nigelbyes, but after a good hand at traiging we get an idea of what is easy to fix14:11
manishnigelb, thanks :)14:13
nigelbmanish: any help you need, feel free to ask.  I should be online around this time14:14
manishnigelb, I think there was an python application for 5-a-day14:15
manishIIRC14:15
nigelbmanish: thats all gone now14:16
manishnigelb, then? how they track 5-a-day?14:16
manishthey simply don't track?14:16
nigelbmanish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day14:16
manishI saw that, but earlier they used to track14:16
nigelbnow we use a cron based on launchpadlib I think14:16
nigelbhttp://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/five-a-day/14:17
nigelbmanish: ^ it spits out this report14:17
manishwhat is launchpadlib based cron?14:17
nigelblaunchpadlib is a python module that communicates with LP14:19
nigelbso, this report directly takes the data and generates the report at a particular point of time14:19
manishnigelb, I know about launchpad API14:20
manishbut had no idea launchpadlib does that14:20
nigelbmanish: its a bit troublesome to work with since documentation is not great, but manageable for stuff lke these14:21
manishi was trying to write a wrapper in C#.NET for LP API14:21
manishsigning works like a charm14:21
nigelbthats cool :)14:22
manishbut when requesting data, I get  401. Even after banging my head and asking on mailing lists14:22
manishi could not get any response14:22
manishIf I could get past that HTTP 401, I can complete that whole wrapper14:22
manishI am confident14:22
nigelbmanish: talk to wgrant when you can catch him.14:23
manishnigelb, he maintains LP?14:24
manishor LP API?14:25
nigelbmanish: neither.  he's hacked a lot around it14:25
nigelbhe pretty much knows it inside out14:25
manishI don't think wgrant is out here14:25
nigelbhe must be asleep.  its way late there14:25
nigelbmanish: re: tracking 5-a-day, you just join the team and keep your mail visible and it will be tracked14:26
manishI dont need to worry about that... earlier 5-a-day had the provision that no two people work on the same bug14:26
manishso that work isnt duplicated14:26
manishthat was the best thing I found out14:27
vishmanish: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~5-a-day/five-a-day-stats/trunk/annotate/head%3A/simple-mailinglist-parser14:32
manishvish, thanks. looking at it14:32
vishmanish: that is what is being used to determine the member activity14:32
manishvish, got it14:33
manishvish, i asked since long back it used a pythonapp made by dholback14:33
manish*dholbach14:33
vishmanish: if you have doubts you can ask the_korn or bd_murray , they wrote it i guess14:34
manishvish, thanks.14:34
jibelseb128: do you know if there is an open bug for the behavior of the proxy field in last comment of bug 49437314:44
ubot4`Launchpad bug 494373 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-network-properties sets $http_proxy incorrectly (affects: 3) (dups: 2)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49437314:44
seb128no clue14:44
seb128I've no special interest in proxy and have been basically ignoring comments about those14:44
jibelseb128: oh ok. Who has interest ?14:44
seb128dunno if somebody has14:45
seb128you?14:45
seb128mvo maybe14:45
jibelyep, I guess so14:45
* mvo looks14:46
jibelI'll file a report and a fix.14:46
mvocool14:46
hggdhnigelb: yes?14:53
nigelbhggdh: where's the link to mentors wiki? been huting for like an hour :)14:54
hggdhnigelb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors14:56
* nigelb fails at searching Ubuntu/debian stuff14:56
hggdh:-)14:56
nigelbmanish: still around?14:57
nigelbhggdh: removed mine and chris's name from mentors since we're already bug squad :014:58
nigelbmanish: you can request a mentor at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors and someone would pick you up :)14:58
hggdhthen wait... be patient15:00
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micahgcjohnston: why didn't you wait for retrace on your thunderbird bug?15:21
cjohnstonmicahg: ?15:30
micahgcjohnston: the thunderbrid bug still had a need-retrace tag15:30
cjohnstonok.. you mean by deleting the coredump.gz15:31
micahgcjohnston: yes15:31
cjohnstonoh15:31
cjohnstoni didnt know that.. :-x15:31
cjohnstonso next time wait for the retrace before removing the coredump?15:32
mrandcjohnston: yes.  As long as the retracer hasn't visited, if you might be able to add it back to the bug15:32
micahgcjohnston: yeah, the retracer will remove if retrace is successful15:33
cjohnstonahh15:33
cjohnstongotcha15:33
micahgcjohnston: the key is to look at the retrace tags/and or the retracer comments to see where the retracer is15:33
mrandman, I speaks poorly this morning ;-)     If that jibberish wasn't clear, I mean to say that I'll bet that you can add the coredump.gz back to the bug as long as the retracer hasn't visited it.15:34
cjohnstonmrand: where would i find the coredump.gz?15:35
micahgcjohnston: be sure to make private again first15:35
cjohnstonok15:35
micahgcjohnston: actually, better off resubmitting the crash report as private15:35
micahgand marking this one as a dupe15:35
mrandcjohnston: do you have the URL of the coredump that was attached?15:35
mrandlaunchpad is not fast about deleting the file.15:36
micahgmrand: actually it is now :)15:36
mrandusually it's in the email15:36
cjohnstonyes15:36
cjohnstonreattaching15:36
cjohnstonmaybe not.. the url gave no such resource15:37
micahgright15:37
mrandlooks like micahg was right then... it used to be very slow.  now it appears very fast ;-)15:37
cjohnstonwell... it crashes a couple times a day.. so ill do another one next time..15:37
iahello. maybe anyone has some thoughts about this - #54185815:39
cjohnstonbug 54185815:39
ubot4`Launchpad bug 541858 in indicator-application "python bindings for libappindicator don't provide method to set [custom] label (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54185815:39
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vishnigelb: hey.. interested for writing an apport hook for cheese? seems we dont have one and the bugs aernt reaching upstream18:17
nigelbvish: sure :) just let me know what details need to be collected18:18
vishreaching upstream is a different issue though ;)18:18
vishnigelb: cool ... your mail id is ?18:19
nigelbnigelbabu@u.c18:19
vishnigelb: sent , thanks :)18:22
nigelbvish: you know that it may not get into lucid18:23
vishnigelb: hmm... cheese is not in the main right , so not even for that?  anyway it would be useful for later too ;)18:24
chrisccoulsonnigelb / vish - apport hooks are generally ok to add even at this stage of the cycle18:24
vish\o/18:24
nigelbchrisccoulson: oh great :) I'll get to it over the weekend18:24
chrisccoulsoncool, thanks!18:25
vishchrisccoulson: thank you :)18:25
nigelbvish: open a wishlist bug and assign to me?18:25
vishnigelb: righto on it18:26
nigelbvish: assign to me :)18:37
nigelbnot subscribe me ;)18:37
* vish scratches head 18:38
visham i seeing something different Bug #54209118:38
ubot4`Launchpad bug 542091 in cheese (Ubuntu) "Add apport hook for cheese (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54209118:38
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nigelbvish: the assignment mail came later :p18:42
vishnigelb: ;)18:42
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nigelbback to fixing debian bug18:42
nigelbmicahg: lol, trolling on identi.ca I see :p19:11
micahgnigelb: trolling?19:12
nigelbmicahg: j/k :)19:12
micahgnigelb: someone has to defend Ubuntu :)19:15
nigelbmicahg: I'm really proud of what you do there, but doesn't mean I can't pull your leg about it.. hehe :D19:16
micahgnigelb: I'm higher than #600 now :)19:18
nigelbmicahg: o_019:18
jcastromicahg: ooh, link?19:20
micahgjcastro: http://macno.org/denticator/?user=micahg&service=identi.ca&chart=flash19:20
* greg-g is 13619:33
greg-ghttp://macno.org/denticator/?user=greg&service=identi.ca&chart=html519:33
hggdhis there a bug opened for the GNOME sudo interface (for example, trying to run synaptic)19:59
hggdh?19:59
alex_mayorgajust had a kernel oops Bug #54217820:35
ubot4`Launchpad bug 542178 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper/0/0x10000100 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54217820:35
alex_mayorgathis on lucid fully updated20:35
alex_mayorgaanyone that can guide me?20:35
alex_mayorgathe system seems stable afterwards though20:36
alex_mayorgano one?21:11
BUGabundohey alex_mayorga21:11
BUGabundosup?21:11
alex_mayorgakernel oops21:12
BUGabundolucid?21:12
alex_mayorgayup21:12
alex_mayorgaBug #54217821:12
ubot4`Launchpad bug 542178 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper/0/0x10000100 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54217821:12
alex_mayorgamight be a dupe after all but as the seemingly duplicate was already fix released I submitted, am I doing the wrong thing?21:14
qenseIs that a troll in the last comment of bug #422536, or someone who seriously thinks something is hacking him?21:16
ubot4`Launchpad bug 422536 in linux (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 5 other projects) "EDAC amd64: WARNING: ECC is NOT currently enabled by the BIOS. Module will NOT be loaded. (affects: 901) (dups: 113)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42253621:16
mrburnshi all i am new to triaging for bug 277386 i am thinking setting status to incomplete and asking what account they are using and what language they are using when it crashes...any thoughts?22:00
ubot4`Launchpad bug 277386 in enchant (Ubuntu) "Empathy crashes when spell check enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27738622:01
hggdhqense: I frankly cannot understand what the poster is talking about22:17
qensehggdh: I hope he won't scare the users; there is already enough 'activity' in that report.22:17
hggdhheh. already on 0x10022:21
^arky^Please have look at this bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dots/+bug/54172123:11
ubot4`^arky^: Error: Bug #541721 is private.23:11
^arky^Please have look at this bug 54172123:12
ubot4`^arky^: Bug 541721 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/541721 is private23:12
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bibinouhi23:45
bibinoucan someone help me to report a bug ?23:45
simosxJust tried Ubuntu 10.04 Beta1. There is a bug during install, when showing the keyboard layout names, when these are translated to non-latin.23:46
simosxWhich program is the 'installer' that allows to select the keyboard layout? I want to file a report.23:46
bcurtiswx_ubiquity i think simosx23:47
simosxbibinou: for general help, there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs23:47
simosxbcurtiswx_: the layout names appear as ???? which is an encoding problem, found in all non-Latin scripts (Russian, Greek, etc).23:48
bibinousimosx: actually, i'm trying to use apport-cli and/or apport bug23:48
simosxbibinou: ok. the typical thing is to ask anyway. if someone can help, they will probably help.23:49
bibinouI have a .crash which I want to use to populate an existing bug, but apport-cli says it's better to open a new bug23:49
bibinoudoes I open a new bug and mark the existing one as a duplicate ?23:50
bibinoudoes I need to use apport-cli or apport-bug ?23:50
bibinou(apport-cli crashed BTW)23:50
bcurtiswx_simosx: ok.. not sure if its ubiquity.. but if noone chirps in soon i'd report it as ubiquity and they can change it from there23:51
bibinoubcurtiswx_: I would say ubiquity too, I think the ubiquity team would triage it anyway23:51
simosxbibinou: «If you have already reported a bug directly via Launchpad, but want to add additional debugging information via Apport to the bug, you can do this by running the command apport-collect bug_number via "Run Application" or terminal window.», from FAQ.23:52
simosxok, reporting this to uniquity. thanks.23:52
bibinou(I think there's something on the wiki saying installer bug -> ubiquity)23:52
bibinousimosx: thanks !23:53
simosxnp23:54

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