[00:18] <godbyk> humphreybc: I just installed Lucid on my laptop.
[00:19] <humphreybc> oh yeah?
[00:19] <godbyk> I'm walking through the ubuntu-manual contributors instructions right now to test 'em.
[00:19] <humphreybc> awesome
[00:19] <godbyk> it's installing tex live right now.
[00:19] <humphreybc> like the window buttons?
[00:20] <godbyk> haven't really used 'em yet.
[00:20] <godbyk> (I live in terminals, mostly, and generally use the keyboard for everything.)
[00:20] <humphreybc> lol
[00:20] <godbyk> I'll let you know as I use it a bit more, though.
[00:20] <humphreybc> righto
[00:21] <godbyk> right now I'm more frustrated because my dot files aren't there. :)
[00:21] <godbyk> (downloading them from my svn repository as we speak)
[00:26]  * godbyk really should move his font collection out of his dotfiles repository.
[00:26] <godbyk> they're taking forever to download.
[00:27] <godbyk> the quickshot guys have been jamming today!
[00:35] <humphreybc> they have?
[00:35] <humphreybc> is progress being made?!
[00:36] <humphreybc> I need to talk with Red_HamsterX and ubuntujenkins so they can tell me what the new way of doing stuff is, then i can update the quickshot wiki
[01:00] <humphreybc> mattgriffin: ping
[01:01] <jaminday> godbyk: you around?
[01:02] <godbyk> jaminday: yep
[01:02] <cjohnston> humphreybc: im working on a blog post for ou
[01:03] <jaminday> how do i do an in-text reference to a section or subsection? ie equivalent of \chaplink command
[01:03] <humphreybc> cjohnston: oh gnarly, sorry i haven't got around to doing it yet - but if you write one that would be awesome, and i'll post it for ya :)
[01:03] <godbyk> jaminday: \seclink
[01:03] <humphreybc> good timing too, Joey is sick so we're lacking on posts at the moment
[01:04] <jaminday> ah ok. and do i label the section with \label{sec:blahblah} ??
[01:08] <godbyk> jaminday: yep! exactly right.
[01:08] <jaminday> godbyk: great, thanks!
[01:08] <godbyk> \section{My section}\label{sec:my-section}   ...    See \seclink{sec:my-section} for more info.
[01:08] <cjohnston> humphreybc: http://chrisjohnston.org/2010/no-more-battery-status-tooltip-in-lucid
[01:09] <jaminday> fantastic
[01:09] <humphreybc> cjohnston: oh I thought you were writing up a post about the classroom/classbot and such?
[01:10] <cjohnston> nope
[01:10] <cjohnston> a gripe of mine that i want on there
[01:10] <cjohnston> lol
[01:10] <humphreybc> lol
[01:10] <cjohnston> ill write this one for you if you like
[01:10] <humphreybc> it might not be substantial enough for an entire post, but i'll see what I can do :P
[01:12] <cjohnston> ok
[01:12] <cjohnston> ill be looking to see what happens
[01:13] <humphreybc> sure
[01:14] <humphreybc> I might talk to Joey about doing something like "Cool dude of the week"
[01:14] <humphreybc> where we can have a post that features this particular person etc
[01:15] <cjohnston> k
[01:16] <humphreybc> so I'll talk to Joey about it and then if he likes the idea you can be this weeks' "Cool dude" or whatever we end up calling it :P
[01:16] <cjohnston> okie
[01:22] <humphreybc> hey chris, I saw your bug entry and message to the ayatana team. I don't think they're going to be changing it back any time soon as the whole "no rollover" thing is a big regression in the new indicator-applet
[01:22] <doctormo> humphreybc: Do you have any screenshots of compiz in all it's glory?
[01:22] <doctormo> humphreybc: I'm on a bit of tight deadline and I can't find any
[01:23] <humphreybc> doctormo: uhm... not really. It's a bit hard to screenshot compiz, but what are you after specifically?
[01:23] <doctormo> http://jano-ab.deviantart.com/art/desktop-8-10-09-146090758
[01:23] <doctormo> something like that but licensed in a friendly way
[01:23] <humphreybc> nope I don't have any lying around, and I don't use desktop wall or anything that fancy
[01:23] <humphreybc> what do you need them for?
[01:25] <humphreybc> desktop cube*
[01:26] <doctormo> http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/DRAFT-Ubuntu-AnimeBos-Flyer-2-156028757
[01:27] <doctormo> leftyfb is helping me, I wonder why I didn't think of him first
[01:27] <humphreybc> must be in a hurry heh
[01:34] <jaminday> humphreybc: heya, how you doin? Have you ever used the 'Test memory' option on the live cd?
[02:03] <jaminday> godbyk: btw -- great idea to use a form for errata found in the manual.
[02:03] <jaminday> rather than reporting bugs to LP
[02:04] <godbyk> jaminday: yeah, I think it'll simplify things for our readers quite a bit.
[02:04] <jaminday> most definitely
[02:04] <godbyk> 1. doesn't require a launchpad account
[02:04] <godbyk> 2. the 'bug report' is designed specifically for our manual, so the fields/questions are more relevant.
[02:05] <godbyk> in general, I think it'll be a better experience.
[02:05] <jaminday> i agree. I had a quick look at it and couldn't immediately think of anything needing to be added
[02:05] <jaminday> i guess as reports start coming in we will work out whether another field is needed etc
[02:06] <jaminday> Is the plan to have a link on ubuntu-manual.org ?
[02:08] <godbyk> jaminday: I'm sure we'll find the bugs in our form when people start using it. :)
[02:08] <godbyk> yeah, I'm going to put it on ubuntu-manual.org soon.
[02:08] <jaminday> great
[02:08] <godbyk> I'd like to get daker's site moved over to ubuntu-manual.org
[02:08] <jaminday> daker's site?
[02:08] <godbyk> and them take the current countdown page and integrate the countdown and contact stuff into a page on daker's site (until we're ready to go live with the rest of it)
[02:09] <godbyk> jaminday: yeah, see http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/daker/
[02:09] <jaminday> ah yeah nice
[02:09] <jaminday> yeah consolidating the two would be good
[02:12] <godbyk> daker's site is translatable, too, which will be nice.
[02:28] <Red_HamsterX> Quickshot update: zipfile exports, Bazaar-querying, error-reporting, and other refinements now stable and documented in the EtherPad. (The interfaces are still primitive, but they're workable to the point that they should save a lot of time)
[02:55] <humphreybc> jaminday: yeah i have
[02:55] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: awesome!
[02:56] <humphreybc> we probably won't start taking translated screenshots till beta2, so you've got another 3 weeks or so to keep playing with it
[03:35] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: pong
[03:36] <humphreybc> hey matt
[03:36] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: hey
[03:36] <humphreybc> just wondering what's happening with the stuff you're writing for the manual?
[03:37] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: finishing up https://code.launchpad.net/~mattgriffin/ubuntu-manual/rbox-documentation tomorrow. then i'll write the content for Ubuntu One (mostly going to re-use stuff that we've already written for other places)
[03:37] <humphreybc> awesome
[03:37] <humphreybc> our content freeze is sunday, complete writing freeze is on the 31st
[03:37] <humphreybc> if it's not in the manual by then, it won't be in it at all - we have to have a strict freeze on everything to allow translations to catch up
[03:38] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: cool.
[03:39] <humphreybc> thanks :)
[03:39] <mattgriffin> np
[03:40] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: sorry for the delay
[03:41] <humphreybc> no worries
[03:41] <humphreybc> as long as you get it in in the next few days everything should be okay
[03:42] <humphreybc> otherwise the world might implode O.o
[03:43] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: what about screenshots?
[03:45] <humphreybc> mattgriffin: not sure. we're a bit screwed because Canonical have decided to leave the buttons on the left through beta1
[03:45] <humphreybc> we can't take any shots until we know for sure what side the window controls will be on for final
[03:46] <humphreybc> it's a pain in the butt
[03:46] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: heh... those crazy designers can't make up their minds
[03:46] <humphreybc> yeah, so much for User Interface freeze...
[03:46] <mattgriffin> :)
[03:46] <humphreybc> I'm not entirely sure why we have them if Canonical don't stick to them themselves
[03:55] <humphreybc> oh yeah, meeting event on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=103894842975687
[03:55] <humphreybc> RSVP!
[04:53] <jaminday> humphreybc: you still here?
[09:46] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I am going to send an e-mail around reminding people to make sure they add screenshots by the 21st. I plan to do all the american english ones as exaples to compare against
[11:35] <nisshh> hey, anyone who uses vim (the text editor) i just found a package called vim-latexsuite in the lucid repos, ill try it out and let you guys know how it goes.
[11:39] <nisshh> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=475
[11:39] <nisshh> lets you compile a latex file from within vim apparently
[13:23] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87 and Red_HamsterX does the line self.screenshottreeview = get("screenshottreeview") a window for the user to check the screenshot is ok? or is it something else?
[13:26] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, the screenshottreeview is in the screenshotinfo window, it displays the list of screenshots
[13:27] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, we don't have a window that is diplayed after the screenshot is taken to preview it before uploading yet I think
[13:27] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks I am adding in a window for the user to comapre the screenshot they have just taken with a sample screenshot, hopefully this will reduce errors
[13:28] <titeuf_87> where will you get that sample screenshot from?
[13:29] <ubuntujenkins> I will take them all and check them with the authors of the section, we might include them with the program they will be done in english us
[13:29] <ubuntujenkins> that was my thinking
[13:30] <ubuntujenkins> we need some for the people who are checking and adding to bzr to compare against any way
[13:31] <titeuf_87> sounds good to me
[13:32] <titeuf_87> although be careful as you work on a small resolution, you can't just show the two screenshots next to each other
[13:32] <ubuntujenkins> I have added scroll able windows but i just thought of tabs
[13:34] <titeuf_87> hmm, this will immediately solve the problem too of having to need a list of screenshots to take
[13:35] <ubuntujenkins> well the list means the user can choose what to take, the instalation ones are going to be much harder than the one of firefox say
[13:36] <ubuntujenkins> it does mean a description might not be so nessicary
[13:37] <titeuf_87> installation screenshots won't be able to be taken with quickshot really
[13:38] <ubuntujenkins> they can be boot a live cd install quickshot then run the installer, the user will somehow have to get them on the server otherwise
[13:39] <humphreybc> mattgriffin: is this your doing? http://isthemusicstorereadyyet.com/
[13:39] <humphreybc> :P
[13:39] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: nah. that's stuart langridge's work
[13:39] <humphreybc> haha actually?
[13:39]  * ubuntujenkins wants the music store to hurry up
[13:39] <humphreybc> i just did possibly the shortest post ever about it
[13:39] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/is-music-store-ready-yet.html
[13:40] <mattgriffin> ubuntujenkins: me too :) ... but i guess i have something to do with that
[13:41] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: If you want it to hurry up, Matt is the guy to sweet talk :)
[13:41] <ubuntujenkins> I just want to have fun and seven digitals prices are good on most songs
[13:41] <mattgriffin> :)
[13:42] <humphreybc> mattgriffin: Hear that Matt? He just wants to have FUN. And you're ruining that Matt, you're ruining Luke's fun by not releasing it already. How does it feel to ruin someone's fun? Not nice, huh. Not nice Matt, no it's not nice at all.
[13:42] <humphreybc> :P
[13:42] <mattgriffin> sorry :(
[13:42]  * humphreybc in the style of the complaint letter sent to Richard Branson: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/4344890/Virgin-the-worlds-best-passenger-complaint-letter.html
[13:45] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, I didn't know you could install stuff while running from the livecd, that solves that problem too then :)
[13:46] <ubuntujenkins> I will upload the new stuff this afternoon so that it can be hooked into the upload sequence when you have time, also are you able to make the meeting on sunday at 8.00 utc. second item is screenshots
[13:52] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, I'll try, if I'm not around it means I couldn't get out of my bed. Remind me on Saturday though about it
[13:52] <humphreybc> titeuf_87: what time do you have to get up to make the meeting?
[13:54] <titeuf_87> 9am, so it shouldn't be a problem. I just have to discipline myself and get in bed on time Saturdaynight
[13:54] <humphreybc> hey i have to get up at 9am too
[13:54] <humphreybc> what timezone are you in?
[13:54] <humphreybc> well, meeting starts at 9am
[13:59] <titeuf_87> I'm at UTC+1
[13:59] <humphreybc> heh
[13:59] <humphreybc> wait
[13:59] <humphreybc> wouldn't that be 9pm that you have to get up?
[13:59] <humphreybc> I'm at UTC +13 and the meeting is at 9am for me, on Sunday.
[14:00] <titeuf_87> meeting is at 8am UTC on Sunday right?
[14:01] <humphreybc> nope
[14:01] <humphreybc> 8pm UTC on Saturday
[14:01] <humphreybc> 2000 UTC, Saturday 20th 2010
[14:02] <titeuf_87> ooh, yeah, I can make that without any problem
[14:02] <humphreybc> neat
[15:02] <daker> hi
[15:03] <nisshh> hey
[15:03] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[15:03] <daker> some new problems :s
[15:03] <nisshh> yep?
[15:03] <ubuntujenkins> with what?
[15:03] <daker> daker@daker-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr push
[15:03] <daker> bzr: ERROR: No push location known or specified.
[15:03] <ubuntujenkins> do bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual
[15:04] <nisshh> +1
[15:04] <nisshh> you have nothing in your bzr history for that branch
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> you have to specifiy where you want to push to
[15:04] <daker> :)
[15:05] <nisshh> ok now?
[15:05] <daker> that's work now
[15:05] <nisshh> cool nice one
[15:06] <nisshh> how are you guys going with your parts of the manual?
[15:08] <nisshh> nice work on the website btw daker
[15:09] <ubuntujenkins> I have gwibber to finish tonight and I am going some quickshot ui stuff
[15:09] <nisshh> cool
[15:26] <daker> nisshh, tanks u
[16:25] <ubuntujenkins> does the main login screen look different in different languages?
[16:28] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: i dont think so, just the language itself is different
[16:29] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: thats what i was thinking if you haven't clicked the user is there any thing visable that is different
[17:03] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: I am looking at making a coustom ubuntu disk with quickshot as user instead of the dafault ubuntu
[17:04] <titeuf_87> oo, that sounds interesting
[17:04] <titeuf_87> any luck with it?
[17:05] <ubuntujenkins> I think it will be possible and I will try and add quickshot the program to it
[17:07] <titeuf_87> after dinner I'm going to work more on quickshot, fix the few issues we talked about yesterday and earlier
[17:07] <ubuntujenkins> cool that sounds good
[17:07] <ubuntujenkins> I have uploaded the ui chnages
[17:07] <titeuf_87> you already made the screenshot preview right?
[17:10] <ubuntujenkins> I havn't done the samples but i have done the window
[17:10] <titeuf_87> sweet :)
[19:04] <titeuf_87> For taking screenshots, should there be a different screenshot taken for English and American English?
[19:04] <titeuf_87> I guess that in most of the cases they'll be the same.
[20:20] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:26] <godbyk> Hey, sebsebseb.  How goes it?
[20:26] <sebsebseb> godbyk: ok, you?
[20:26] <godbyk> not too bad.
[22:02] <Daker> back :)
[22:23] <Daker> godbyk i think we should add screenshots in the website
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: in response to your question about 5 hours ago between the differences in english screen shots I am un sure if there are any. sorry for the late reply but i screwed up my install trying to move partitions and then got distracted before i could fix it
[23:16] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, that's what I thought, and it'll be the same between nl_NL and nl_BE for Dutch. Not sure about other languages though
[23:17] <ubuntujenkins> well we have two variations of french I am unsure about those. I know for arabic it doesn't matter which language of arabic they are taken in I contacted the head of arbic on launchapd
[23:19] <titeuf_87> Belgian and French French are similar enough too that it won't give a problem with screenshots
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> cool we do have a few screenshots that might be hard, is it possible to set it to capture a certain area?
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> I think three of the screenshots are the same for all languages
[23:21] <titeuf_87> a certain area of the screen? Or just part of the window?
[23:21] <ubuntujenkins> certain area of the screen top right for the networking stuff
[23:23] <titeuf_87> I think it's possible in code, just not interface wise
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> cool we will have to see
[23:24] <titeuf_87> I think for that it would be easiest if we take a full screenshot and let the user "draw" what part they want to keep
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> will we not end up with those screenshot being odd sizes?
[23:25] <titeuf_87> we have that problem now too: whenever the user opens a program to take a screenshot of it, if it's not maximized they will all have different sizes.
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> we will just have to ask for it to be maximised in the description i guess, this is hard
[23:27] <titeuf_87> and if we present a sample screenshot and the user crops what they need from a full screen screenshot, they will be more or less the same size
[23:27] <titeuf_87> will it give problems if all the screenshots aren't pixel-perfect the same size?
[23:29] <ubuntujenkins> but how will the user upload it manualy? as they should need the program to do it. well if they are the same it makes the manual easier to arange but otherwise no
[23:30] <ubuntujenkins> brb just rebooting
[23:31] <godbyk> titeuf_87: if the resolutions are consistent, and everyone's using a fresh install, it'd be easiest if quickshot knew what area of the screen should be captured instead of having the user draw the box.  That way, it's the same area regardless of the language.
[23:32] <godbyk> can we programmatically maximize, resize, or move a window around?
[23:32] <ubuntujenkins> back
[23:33] <titeuf_87> godbyk, right, I didn't think about the fact that it'll all look similar cause it runs under a new/fresh user all under the same resolution
[23:34] <titeuf_87> and that should be possible, not sure how yet but I'm sure it is
[23:35] <godbyk> I know we may not have time to get it all coded up for this first edition of the manual, but in the end, it'd be awesome of quickshot were almost entirely scripted: after the initial setup, you push a button and walk away for a while and let quickshot start programs and move windows about and take whatever screenshots it likes and upload them when it's done.
[23:37] <titeuf_87> that'll be great for the next version :)
[23:38] <ubuntujenkins> That would be amazing
[23:39] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, you wanted to add the sample screenshots in quickshot itself right?
[23:40] <ubuntujenkins> that was my thought I started them today but forgot to change the reolution
[23:41] <titeuf_87> if we go this route, we could add in the screenshot info in quickshot itself too instead of storing that server side. And only use the server to upload screenshots and know which ones have been made already
[23:42] <ubuntujenkins> I thought that was the pervious thought?
[23:43]  * ubuntujenkins thinks its geeky when you read shh as "ssh" on facebook
[23:44] <ubuntujenkins> *previous
[23:44] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, I'm not sure anymore, asking cause right now the server does give out a list of screenshot that needs to be taken
[23:46] <ubuntujenkins> wow does it show in quickshot if we keep the descriptions on the server it does mean its easyier to change them if needed also other people wanting to use the program will have to remove/adjust that code
[23:47] <titeuf_87> easier to change when we keep it server side?
[23:48] <ubuntujenkins> well the person owning the server can change it and it will be changed in every users version of quickshot otherwise you have to rely on that they keep it uptodate
[23:50] <titeuf_87> and keep the sample screenshots on there too instead of bundling them with quickshot?
[23:51] <ubuntujenkins> yep I suppose that makes more sense. I may have just changed my mind in about 25 line :-)
[23:52] <ubuntujenkins> and only pull the one the user is comapring against
[23:55] <titeuf_87> yeah, when the user selects a screenshot to take it should retrieve some information from the server about it: a sample screenshot to compare to and some extra info like the app to run (if any), screen coordinates to grab and maybe a short description text
[23:55] <ubuntujenkins> sounds right to me
[23:56] <ubuntujenkins> I have realized that the meeting is on saturday and not sunday as normal and I am unfortunaley not able to make it. I have let humphreybc know
[23:56] <titeuf_87> Red_HamsterX, if you're listening, would this be a lot of work to add?
[23:57] <dutchie> do we still need the form feedback thing, or is it all sorted (godbyk)?
[23:58] <titeuf_87> and ubuntujenkins, not sure if you checked the latest version, but I've added in support for previewing of screenshots
[23:58] <ubuntujenkins> I think the more we discuss quickshot the more complex it gets, can we make the first screen skip to a "congratulations screen" when in the quickshot user
[23:58] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: doing pull now