[15:00] <asac> is it o/ ? or in 1h ?
[15:03] <ttx> in 1h, slangasek said 1600 UTC
[15:03] <asac> kk
[15:03] <asac> time to take a break then ;)
[15:03] <slangasek> yep - sorry, forgot that Google Calendars don't understand UTC
[15:04] <apw> heh ...
[15:04] <apw> they are useless inseed
[15:05] <nigelb> someone fix that to topic? helps avoid some confusion
[15:07] <persia> nigelb: You mean add "Google Calendar doesn't understand UTC : please reschedule any meetings that are wrong"?
[15:07] <nigelb> persia: yeah.  something to that end
[15:07] <nigelb> persia: or Google Calender doesn't understand UTC.  Please check in UTC time and confirm meeting time"
[15:07] <persia> jussi01: If you have a moment? ^^
[15:08] <jussi01> who what when?
[15:09] <persia> If you could add a hint in the topic that Google Calendar is a little confused about UTC, and people should confirm their meeting times, it may lead to more sanity.
[15:09] <nigelb> Refer to UTC time in http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[15:10] <jussi01> hows that?
[15:10] <nigelb> jussi01: thats great :)
[15:10] <nigelb> I've seen a bunch of people confused this week :)
[15:12] <persia> jussi01: Thank you very much.
[16:00]  * pitti waves
[16:01]  * marjo waves
[16:01] <Riddell> oh aye, I need to update the Kubuntu status
[16:01]  * apw looks nonchalant
[16:01]  * slangasek waves
[16:02] <pitti> so, slangasek is still 150% involved in pushing out the beta
[16:02] <pitti> so let's start
[16:02] <pitti> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is pitti.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <ttx> o/
[16:03] <pitti> first, thanks to everyone helping out with release, bug fixing, testing, etc!
[16:03] <pitti> [TOPIC] Actions from previous meetings
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from previous meetings
[16:03] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-03-19
[16:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-03-19
[16:03] <asac> o/
[16:03] <pitti> review status of branding for Kubuntu, Edubuntu next week
[16:03] <pitti> stgraber, Riddell ?
[16:04] <Riddell> we got a bit further with designs from the design team, and some from Kubuntu people
[16:04] <Riddell> still waiting on that crucial "k" letter
[16:04] <asac> didnt get an answer on my mozilla cairo ping last friday. failed to send mail as i was gone more than half of the week - will draft that now
[16:05] <asac> (for my action)
[16:05] <pitti> asac: thanks, rolling over then
[16:05] <slangasek> Riddell: how far is "a bit further"?
[16:05] <pitti> [ACTION] asac to talk to mozilla upstream about the need for system cairo in Ubuntu
[16:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  asac to talk to mozilla upstream about the need for system cairo in Ubuntu
[16:05] <asac> ack
[16:06] <slangasek> Riddell: and more importantly, does everyone know in whose court the ball is right now?
[16:06] <pitti> Riddell: is there something code/packging wise still missing aside from the artwork itself?
[16:06] <pitti> Riddell: i. e. is it just updating graphics, or do we need new packages, especially wrt. plymouth etc.?
[16:07] <Riddell> slangasek: they sent us some designs which aren't yet finished, we're still picking from the design choices.  so ball in both courts
[16:07] <slangasek> Riddell: ok
[16:07] <Riddell> pitti: new plymouth package I believe, some file changed in kubuntu-default-settings
[16:08] <pitti> ok, thanks
[16:08] <pitti> carrying over then
[16:08] <pitti> [ACTION] review status of branding for Kubuntu, Edubuntu next week
[16:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  review status of branding for Kubuntu, Edubuntu next week
[16:08] <pitti> ScottK, slangasek to review python sync/merge candidates ~Mar 12
[16:08] <slangasek> pitti: not done yet, carry over
[16:09] <pitti> [ACTION] ScottK, slangasek to review python sync/merge candidates
[16:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ScottK, slangasek to review python sync/merge candidates
[16:09] <ScottK> slangasek types faster than I do ...
[16:09] <pitti> [TOPIC] QA team
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team
[16:09] <pitti> marjo: floor is your's
[16:09] <pitti> how bad is it? :-)
[16:09] <marjo> pitti: let's do the good news first
[16:10] <marjo> * Hardware testing
[16:10] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:10] <marjo> Netbook:
[16:10] <marjo>    passed:  13 (100%)   failed:   0 (  0%)   untested: 0 (  0%)
[16:10] <marjo> Laptop:
[16:10] <marjo>    passed:  32 (97%)   failed:   0 ( 0%)  untested: 1 ( 3%)
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:10] <marjo> Server:
[16:10] <marjo>    passed:  61 (90%)   failed:   0 ( 0%)  untested: 7 (10%)
[16:10] <marjo> Desktop:
[16:10] <marjo>    passed:  13 (100%)   failed:   0 (  0%)   untested: 0 (  0%)
[16:10] <marjo> pitti: nice huh?
[16:10] <pitti> sweet!
[16:10] <pitti> 0 failures?
[16:11] <pitti> I hope it's not a failure of the tests :)
[16:11] <marjo> the untested systems are being brought up
[16:11] <ttx> pitti: we finally fixed all the bugs !
[16:11] <cjwatson> that's way better than I was expecting, given my bug mailbox
[16:11] <pitti> let's go have beer
[16:11] <pitti> I wonder why we have 90 pending uploads in unapproved then, and 130 RC bugs :)
[16:11] <marjo> pitti: please hold
[16:11] <fader_> These are the automated tests, remember :)  We've got another round of manual tests planned to run on the beta
[16:11] <pitti> marjo: j/k
[16:11] <marjo> fader_ is mr. realistic
[16:12] <marjo> * Beta 1 Interim Test Report
[16:12] <marjo> Lucid Beta 1 Interim Test Report
[16:12] <marjo> 2010-03-19 0920 ET = 1320 UTC
[16:12] <marjo> == Test Coverage ==
[16:12] <marjo> ISO image = 100%
[16:12] <marjo> [16:12] <marjo> All mandatory test cases covered.
[16:12] <marjo> Note: kubuntu i386 wubi install is currently broken (per davmor2 & slangasek)
[16:12] <marjo> Interim, since final test failure analysis is in progress
[16:12] <marjo> == Serious Bugs Status ==
[16:12] <marjo> Sorted by status from New to Fix Released
[16:12] <marjo> #541829 | Kde wubi crashes on r174
[16:12] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu)                      | Undecided | New
[16:12] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu Lucid)                | Undecided | New
[16:12] <marjo> #541029 | netboot image fails to connect to the network
[16:13] <marjo> linux-fsl-imx51 (Ubuntu)               | Undecided | New
[16:13] <marjo> #541399 | netboot image fails to boot.
[16:13] <marjo> linux-mvl-dove (Ubuntu)                | Undecided | New
[16:13] <marjo> #541452 | ltsp on ubuntu is crashing with a sync issue stopping the kernel from booting
[16:13] <marjo> ltsp (Ubuntu)                          | Undecided | New
[16:13] <marjo> #539710 | OEM Lucid installation - configuring system for a new user - error occurring installing new packages
[16:13] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu)                      | High      | New
[16:13] <marjo> #275998 | internal mic capture very low volume when routed through pulseaudio
[16:13] <marjo> Dell Ubuntu Project                    | Undecided | In Progress
[16:13] <marjo> Linux                                  | Undecided | Invalid
[16:13] <marjo> PulseAudio                             | Unknown   | Unknown
[16:13] <marjo> alsa-lib (Ubuntu)                      | Wishlist  | Triaged
[16:13] <marjo> linux (Ubuntu)                         | Undecided | New
[16:13] <marjo> pulseaudio (Ubuntu)                    | Undecided | Incomplete
[16:13] <marjo> alsa-lib (Fedora)                      | Unknown   | Won't Fix
[16:13] <marjo> pulseaudio (openSUSE)                  | Undecided | Invalid
[16:13] <marjo> #539878 | nouveau out of sync LVDS (basically card not supported)
[16:13] <marjo> linux (Ubuntu)                         | Undecided | New
[16:13] <marjo> #539324 | Setting up swap fails when setting lvm+encryption
[16:13] <marjo> debian-installer (Ubuntu)              | High      | Confirmed
[16:13] <marjo> debian-installer (Ubuntu Lucid)        | High      | Confirmed
[16:13] <marjo> #528678 | kubuntu Lucid ISO test alpha3 64 bits failed
[16:13] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu)                      | Undecided | Confirmed
[16:13] <marjo> #409819 | [regression] Built-in mic not working after pulse updates on Karmic.  Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) sound card.
[16:14] <marjo> pulseaudio (Ubuntu)                    | Undecided | Confirmed
[16:14] <marjo> #519541 | Abiword 2.8.1 freezes with document lost when help is clicked or F1 is pressed
[16:14] <marjo> AbiWord                                | Unknown   | Confirmed
[16:14] <marjo> abiword (Ubuntu)                       | High      | Triaged
[16:14] <marjo> abiword (Ubuntu Lucid)                 | High      | Triaged
[16:14] <marjo> #527401 | grub-installer fails to install on a raid1 array
[16:14] <marjo> grub2 (Ubuntu)                         | High      | Triaged
[16:14] <marjo> grub2 (Ubuntu Lucid)                   | High      | Triaged
[16:14] <marjo> #540938 | oem-config-kde does not log out after setup
[16:14] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu)                      | High      | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu Lucid)                | High      | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> #540895 | Kubuntu OEM install does not install oem-config
[16:14] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu)                      | High      | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu Lucid)                | High      | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> #541607 | Lucid: Wubi drops immediately into grub shell on reboot
[16:14] <marjo> Wubi                                   | Undecided | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> #540256 | enter kills X when booting Live CD or w/cryptsetup with plymouth text plugin
[16:14] <marjo> plymouth (Ubuntu)                      | Critical  | Fix Released
[16:14] <marjo> upstart (Ubuntu)                       | Critical  | Fix Released
[16:14] <marjo> #541607 | Lucid: Wubi drops immediately into grub shell on reboot
[16:14] <marjo> Wubi                                   | Undecided | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> #527623 | Notification of missing language support not shown after installation
[16:14] <marjo> Ubuntu Translations                    | High      | Triaged
[16:14] <marjo> language-selector (Ubuntu)             | High      | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> language-selector (Ubuntu Lucid)       | High      | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> #541625 | [lucid] Ubuntu Studio 64bit alternate DVD as of 18 March is missing kernel packages
[16:14] <marjo> base-installer (Ubuntu)                | High      | Fix Committed
[16:14] <marjo> #540878 | Xubuntu fails to localize the system into Spanish
[16:15] <marjo> Ubuntu CD Images                       | Medium    | Fix Committed
[16:15] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu)                      | Medium    | Fix Committed
[16:15] <marjo> #539507 | System Freeze/Pause waiting for something
[16:15] <marjo> xorg (Ubuntu)                          | High      | Incomplete
[16:15] <marjo> #541647 | Lucid-dvd-amd6.iso: installation via d-i shows Server selection
[16:15] <marjo> debian-installer (Ubuntu)              | Critical  | Invalid
[16:15] <asac> hmm. wouldnt it be better to have this long report on a weekly release status page?
[16:15] <marjo> asac: sure, it's usually not this long
[16:16] <asac> heh ok
[16:16] <slangasek> seems about standard length to me. :)
[16:16] <asac> its wiki format. is that on some wiki page we could paste instaed?
[16:16] <slangasek> it's not wiki format
[16:16] <marjo> asac: i can do that in the future
[16:17] <marjo> if that makes more sense on an IRC meeting
[16:17] <marjo> slangasek: ready for specs status?
[16:17] <asac> dont do it just for me ... just thought i could better look at this on a wiki page ;)
[16:17] <pitti> re (argh, X froze, sorry)
[16:18] <marjo> asac: thanks for the feedback
[16:18] <slangasek> marjo: I think so
[16:18] <marjo> Specs Status
[16:18] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-platform-qa-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[16:18] <marjo> * UbuntuSpec:lucid-qa-checkbox-desktop-experience-tests
[16:18] <marjo> All work items completed; beta available
[16:18] <marjo> * UbuntuSpec:qa-lucid-improve-server-testcases
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-platform-qa-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[16:18] <marjo> Determine which test cases are required for the ISO tracker: DONE
[16:18] <marjo> Write a new test case for a non internet connection install: DONE
[16:18] <marjo> Write a new test case for a Kickseed install: DONE
[16:18] <marjo> Write a new test case for a repair system install: INPROGRESS
[16:18] <marjo> (Target completion date: Today, 2010-03-19)
[16:18] <marjo> Bug:530380: checkbox writes to .cache/checkbox/submission before submission completes
[16:18] <marjo> Status: Will submit merge request today
[16:18] <slangasek> marjo: (another optimization would be to not list both 'ubuntu' and 'ubuntu lucid' tasks, they're always the same thing whenever they're relevant)
[16:18] <marjo> slangasek: ack
[16:19] <marjo> slangasek: that's all from QA team
[16:19] <pitti> any questions for QA?
[16:20] <pitti> marjo: thanks
[16:20] <pitti> [TOPIC] Server
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server
[16:20] <pitti> ttx: hello
[16:20] <marjo> I want to thank everyone who helped with ISO testing!
[16:20] <ttx> pitti: hi!
[16:20] <ttx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:20] <pitti> ttx: how did the beta-1 testing look server-wise?
[16:21] <pitti> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:21] <ttx> very-recently updated status ^
[16:21] <ttx> pitti: quite good
[16:21] <ttx> The only big issues are those that affect more than server, like RAID1 / LVM+encryption
[16:21] <pitti> I saw that one in many iso test cases indeed
[16:21] <ttx> The rest was quite ok.
[16:22] <ttx> Beta1 postmortem:
[16:22] <pitti> is that on your team's radar? or do we need to find a home for it?
[16:22] <ttx> pitti: it's on Foundations radar already
[16:22] <cjwatson> yes
[16:22] <ttx> We had quite a few specs overflowing:
[16:23] <ttx>  server-lucid-uec-testing -- 15% spillover -- Test rig handover to QA and multi-network test automation not completed
[16:23] <ttx>  server-lucid-ec2-ebsroot -- 16% spillover -- Some release automation work still in progress
[16:23] <ttx>  server-lucid-apt-mirror-ec2 -- 33% spillover -- Blocked on IS delivery, only validation step remaining
[16:23] <ttx>  server-lucid-eucalyptus-merging-and-packaging -- 43% spillover -- Unable to solve upgrade issues in time for beta1, on site at Eucalyptus next week
[16:24] <ttx>  server-lucid-puppet-uec-ec2-integration -- 45% spillover -- Most of the investigation done, documentation left
[16:24] <ttx> for that last one, % spillover does not really reflect how little work is left to be done.
[16:24] <ttx> On the beta2 side, we have quite a few beta2 targets
[16:24] <ttx> See the report for details on targeted bugs
[16:25] <ttx> i'll do a pass next week to identify some potentially overlooked targets
[16:25] <pitti> that bug list looks fairly reasonable for a three week period
[16:25] <ttx> pitti: yes, that's why I'll do a new pass on the bugs to try to find the hidden gem
[16:26] <ttx> Bugs affecting server, in other teams:
[16:26] <pitti> ttx: do you think the remaining bits of the specs fit into the next three weeks, or will you have to drop some bits?
[16:26] <pitti> 76 WIs seems quite much
[16:26] <ttx> pitti: all spillover has been retargeted to beta2, we might have to drop one spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-id-mgmt-reference-env
[16:27] <pitti> ttx: that one is not even on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html
[16:27] <ttx> Also please note that ~25 of those are linked testsuite bugs on server-lucid-puppet-uec-ec2-integration
[16:27] <pitti> ah, ok
[16:27] <pitti> ttx: well, as long as you think that it's under control, that's fine :)
[16:27] <ttx> which are not "necessary to fix" :)
[16:27] <pitti> it seems quite a lot at first sight
[16:27] <ttx> it's mathiaz's fault. He creates and links small bugs :P
[16:28] <ttx> Bugs affecting server, in other teams:
[16:28] <ttx> bug 531494: upstart does not run cloud-init job (Foundations)
[16:28] <ttx> apparently there is a mismatch between what smoser provided and what keybuk is expecting, trying to solve it right now
[16:28] <jiboumans> pitti: it may seem a lot, but we're quite confident in our velocity. Also, we have some slack in the specs as ttx mentioned
[16:28] <ttx> since we need an assignee on that one :)
[16:29] <ttx> bug 527208: EC2 kernel fails to boot in c1.xlarge (Kernel)
[16:29] <ttx> jjohansen reported nice progress on this one
[16:29] <ttx> bug 527401: grub-installer fails to install on a raid1 array (Foundations)
[16:29] <ttx> a well-known work in progress
[16:29] <ttx> Other Lucid-targeted bugs:
[16:29] <ttx> bug 520715: eglibc / puppet issue (Foundations)
[16:30] <ttx> we might need to raise priority on this one if it's indeed as blocking as it looks
[16:30] <ttx> Expected Freeze exceptions requests:
[16:30] <cjwatson> there's a sync waiting for that
[16:30] <cjwatson> the ruby bug
[16:30] <ttx> cjwatson: ok.
[16:30] <cjwatson> I'll do it as soon as we unfreeze
[16:30] <ttx> bug 541907: Add scripts to runcmd
[16:30] <ttx> that one would be nice to have
[16:31] <ttx> We also might file Ffes for minor features hidden into globally bugfixing updates of php, munin, nut and bacula
[16:31] <ttx> that's all from us.
[16:32] <pitti> I recently commented on the bacula one (there's already a bug for it)
[16:32] <ttx> cjwatson: by "raising priority" I meant targeting to beta2.
[16:32] <pitti> ttx: thank you
[16:32] <ttx> cjwatson: but I see it's under control :)
[16:32] <pitti> any questions to server team?
[16:33] <pitti> [TOPIC] Mobile
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile
[16:33] <asac> hi
[16:33] <pitti> asac: o/
[16:33] <asac> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:33] <asac> so beta went quite well --- assuming that the x server crash we had is really the one that was fixed in last round
[16:34] <asac> unfortunately we couldnt verify because our QA had scheduled holiday today
[16:34] <asac> its bug 540477
[16:34] <asac> which is probably dupe of bug 540256
[16:34] <asac> more on RC bugs
[16:35] <asac> we have quite a few fixes staged as you can see in report for after beta-1
[16:35] <asac> i decided to drop two bugs from RC list this week:
[16:35] <asac> bug 514253: qt4-x11 "[arm] needs porting to thumb2"
[16:35] <asac> seems that our -marm approach is good enough for the rest of issues left
[16:36] <asac> bug 457878: imx51 on board ethernet plug/unplug events not detected
[16:36] <asac> i know our kernel peers are working on that, but i think we can live if this is still broken
[16:36] <asac> so if they get a fix i would still get that in
[16:36] <pitti> asac: which means you'd need to manually click NM if you plug in a cable, as a workaround?
[16:36] <asac> right
[16:37] <cjwatson> asac: yes, almost certainly a dup - Xorg.0.log.old shows it getting SIGQUIT which is the same crash path
[16:37] <asac> thanks!
[16:37] <asac> so two bugs i would like to get help for ;)
[16:37] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html has two WIs left, can you please carry them over to beta-2?
[16:37] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html has two WIs left, can you please carry them over to beta-2?
[16:37] <asac> bug 528887: maximus "maximus does not give default focus to newly started apps in combination with efl launcher"
[16:37] <asac> i would think dxteam or desktop team can probably help on that
[16:37] <asac> bug 528524: pulseaudio "Sound not working in all apps on dove"
[16:38] <pitti> asac: can you talk to didrocks about 528887?
[16:38] <asac> basic stuff seems to work in kernel. if someone could ask questions there would be great
[16:38] <asac> we would certainly give all info on the pulseaudio bug that is needed
[16:38] <asac> pitti: will do
[16:38] <pitti> [ACTION] pitti to get people to investigate #528524
[16:38] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to get people to investigate #528524
[16:38] <asac> its reprducible on i386 as the -efl launcher is there too ... so yeah
[16:39] <asac> spec front is still slowly moving
[16:39] <asac> i moved all items to beta-2 left
[16:39] <asac> total 8
[16:39] <asac> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html
[16:40] <asac> only relevant for archive are the webservice ones
[16:40] <pitti> looks good on that front, reasonable workload and enough time for more bug fixes
[16:40] <asac> yeah ;)
[16:40] <asac> unfortunately our team is often out of office due to sprints customers etc.
[16:41] <asac> but i think its still good workload wise
[16:41] <pitti> asac: are the other thumb2 ports on track?
[16:41] <asac> the 3 left one? yes, we are working on them
[16:41] <pitti> great
[16:41] <asac> its just 3, so that should be doable
[16:41] <pitti> any other questions for mobile?
[16:41] <asac> we will do a mass give back for universe
[16:41] <asac> this weekend
[16:42] <pitti> thanks asac!
[16:42] <asac> thanks!
[16:42] <pitti> [TOPIC] Kernel
[16:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel
[16:42] <apw> here
[16:42] <apw> Overall Kernel Team status is summarised at the first URL below, including the items called out in the agenda.  Beta-1 activity is summarised at the second URL below all now complete, a few items have been pushed out and appear under Beta-2 as At Risk.  The burndown chart for Beta-1 is at the third URL, and our burndown chart is at the fourth:
[16:43] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:43] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid#Milestone%20ubuntu-10.04-beta-1
[16:43] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[16:43] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid#Milestone%20ubuntu-10.04-beta-1
[16:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[16:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:43] <apw> Of the pushed out Alpha-3 items four have been postponed to M, two low priority items have been further pushed out to Beta-2, and two have patches in testing.  The items pushed out of Beta-1 are either investigative or basically complete and awaiting final test and upload.
[16:43] <apw> On the items pulled out on the agenda, the ureadahead optimisation work remains to be tested but is a small patch kernel side and does not impact any features.  The configuration review is complete and patches are out for review and expected to hit once the freeze is lifted.  The DRM reporting is now committed and again waits on the freeze lifting.  From the bugs, the EC2 logging bug looks to be a configuration issue and we expect to have a fix fo
[16:43] <apw> r it shortly, the other two bugs we have fixes commited and await the freeze to lift to upload them.
[16:43] <apw> None of the uploaded kernels have changed since the last meeting due to the freeze.  The ti-omap kernel has now been approved for FFe and MIR and awaits the freeze lifting to hit the archive.
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[16:45]  * pitti caught up
[16:45] <pitti> apw: workloads for beta-2 and final look very reasonable, great job
[16:45] <apw> mostly non kernel work too
[16:45] <pitti> apw: did you hear a lot of feedback about the DRM backport?
[16:45] <apw> most of it has been positive.  generally less complaints
[16:45] <pitti> it still seems to cause some troubles, but from my POV it seemed to have gone through quite well?
[16:46] <slangasek> I fear that most drm bugs are being attributed to plymouth up to this point
[16:46] <apw> we have one outstanding issue with powersave, which is looking like we have fixed and should come in soon
[16:46] <slangasek> we'll probably be getting better feedback in the coming weeks
[16:46] <apw> yeah until plymouth stops being the first barrier its hard to be tottally sure
[16:46] <slangasek> (hi everybody, welcome to beta1 :)
[16:46] <pitti> slangasek: yay! congratulations
[16:46] <slangasek> apw: it has stopped being the first barrier
[16:46] <pitti> that was a rather complicated birth
[16:46] <apw> general wisdom is that its not perfect but much better, and we continue to work on fixing issues as we see them
[16:46] <slangasek> apw: so please adjust any triaging assumptions accordingly :)
[16:47] <apw> slangasek, :) indeed ... X normally blame us anyhow
[16:47] <pitti> any questions for kernel?
[16:48]  * ttx highfives slangasek
[16:48] <pitti> thanks apw!
[16:48] <pitti> [TOPIC] desktop
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  desktop
[16:48] <pitti> pitti: hello :)
[16:48] <pitti> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:48] <pitti> as usual, this has the details about weekly progress, spec status, and RC bug status
[16:49] <pitti> Beta-1 WIs all done, one spillover spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-gdmsetup
[16:49] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[16:49] <pitti> For Beta-2 we mostly have some cleanup WIs left, plus adding some much missed options to gdmsetup (already commited)
[16:49] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html
[16:49] <pitti> Biggest missing feature/bug is that Gwibber currently stores account passwords in couchdb in cleartext(!), but should use gnome-keyring.
[16:49] <pitti> We got a lot of bug fixes during this week, but are struggling a bit with the RC ones mentioned here. Martin will direct more attention to them.
[16:49] <pitti> ->  "here" -> in the report, sorry for the semantic cut&paste error
[16:50] <pitti> Called out in release team meeting invitation:
[16:50] <pitti> desktop-lucid-xorg-multitouch: This hit us 1.5 weeks ago through a SABDFL override of FF, etc., and is currently diverting away Bryce.  The really intrusive bits (kernel driver, evdev patch, etc.) are in now, but this still needs better udev rules, test plans, and testing with wacom in particular.
[16:50] <pitti> given how far it has come, I'm positive that it should work well by beta-2
[16:51] <pitti> bug 456468 has turned out from "apparently simple" to "almost impossible to solve cleanly"
[16:51] <pitti> nm-applet picks up new icons during upgrade, tries to load them, and fails because the new GTK icon loader doesn't work with the old libc6 already in memory
[16:51] <pitti> and we'd need to retroactively fix the old code to make it autorestart
[16:51] <pitti> best workaround would be to restart it in update-manager; second best is to not do anything about it, it does not break the upgrade itself.
[16:52] <pitti> we are still pondering what to do about it, but it might take a while
[16:52] <pitti> We also collected a list of bugs which are not really RC, but which we want to fix for Lucid to be appropriately polished for an LTS release:
[16:52] <pitti> http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/desktop-bugs/milestone-bugs.html
[16:52] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/desktop-bugs/milestone-bugs.html
[16:52] <pitti> Riddell: would you please do the Kubuntu bits?
[16:53] <Riddell>  * Beta 1 (about to be) out the door, hugs to all who helped fix the various critical bugs there
[16:53] <Riddell>  * New logo still being worked on by Canonical Design Team and being pondered over by Kubuntu people
[16:53] <Riddell>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo (this page needs some updating, no new features expected)
[16:53] <Riddell>  * Beta testing and some thourough bug triage have increased milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu to 32 http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9
[16:53] <Riddell>  * Bugs now need categorised and squishing, only 1 worrying me Bug:448705	"akonadi server doesn't start at login" which is essentially an upstream issue
[16:53] <Riddell>  * tseliot is working on plymouth to KDM smooth transition support
[16:53] <Riddell>  * doko fixed Qt on ia64 so build failures there now much reduced
[16:54] <Riddell> 10.04 documentation is due soon too, nixternal has been cracking the whip on that
[16:54] <pitti> Riddell: so plymouth and kdm are at least on ceasefire terms now?
[16:55] <Riddell> pitti: yes for beta plymouth dies before kdm starts, it's ugly but reliable
[16:55] <ScottK> It's not smooth, but at least it boots.
[16:55] <pitti> right, that's how it was expected to look likenow
[16:55] <pitti> any questions about desktop?
[16:56] <slangasek> when will my firefox fonts stop shimmering :)
[16:56] <slangasek> (sorry, know that asac already addressed this)
[16:56] <pitti> ah, you hit a sore point there..
[16:57] <pitti> slangasek: it's as high on the radar as I can put it; cf. "We got a lot of bug fixes during this week, but are struggling a bit with the RC ones mentioned here. Martin will direct more attention to them."
[16:57] <pitti> but at least we are in 100% bug fixing mood now
[16:57] <pitti> (flush unapproved, and you'll get a lot of love :) )
[16:57] <slangasek> pitti: do you know if ccheney has an OOo upload scheduled anytime soon?  I see a few critical bugs accumulating there, with fixes known
[16:58] <pitti> I don't know, I'll ask him
[16:58] <pitti> in particular the arm crash should have a working patch now, too
[16:58] <pitti> we need to get that out
[16:59] <pitti> (asked)
[16:59] <slangasek> no other questions from me
[16:59] <pitti> we ought to do that by next week, now that the freeze is behind us
[16:59] <pitti> [TOPIC] DX
[16:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  DX
[16:59] <pitti> davidbarth: bonsoir
[17:00] <davidbarth> hi
[17:00] <davidbarth> so here is the short report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/LucidReleaseStatus
[17:00] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/LucidReleaseStatus
[17:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/LucidReleaseStatus
[17:01] <davidbarth> so on the me menu the 2 potential changes tracked from last week are now been postponed to L+1
[17:01] <slangasek> davidbarth: I've been seeing a bug recently where indicator-sound tells me things are muted when they aren't; is this bug known?
[17:01] <slangasek> (glad to see the mousewheel issue is tracked, I was going to be filing that one soon :)
[17:01] <davidbarth> some pending fixes however are also quite invasive, so we' ve discussed filing for a proper FFE with seb128
[17:02] <davidbarth> slangasek: that one is kind of known
[17:02] <davidbarth> slangasek: we have an autobuild system that was producing packages with the wrong version number
[17:02] <davidbarth> slangasek: and afawct it was due to an old version being build (but only in an internal ppa)
[17:03] <davidbarth> slangasek: the lucid version has had a fix for that for some weeks, and ronoc uploaded a version yesterday with a version number that should prevent this packaging bug from re-appearing
[17:03] <pitti> the mute bug seems to be random these days, but I still get it in 70% of the cases, too, if you need me to help with debugging
[17:04] <davidbarth> hope this is the same bug, or else we have another issue
[17:04] <slangasek> davidbarth: hmm, the mute bug I see is with the lucid package; do you mean that the wrong package is in lucid right now?
[17:04] <davidbarth> pitti: yeah, if you can reproduce it with lucid packages, we definetly want to know
[17:04] <slangasek> I'm not using the ppa
[17:04] <pitti> davidbarth: ok, I'll file one then
[17:04] <davidbarth> so it' s a regression and we need to fix that
[17:04] <slangasek> ok
[17:04] <davidbarth> pitti: yes, please
[17:04] <pitti> [ACTION] pitti to file bug about sound indicator being muted
[17:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to file bug about sound indicator being muted
[17:05] <davidbarth> we' re monitoring a couple of lists of bugs triaged with the desktop team
[17:05] <davidbarth> please assign to canonical-dx-team initially, and we' re then re-dispatching to individuals
[17:05] <pitti> ack
[17:05] <davidbarth> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.assignee=canonical-dx-team
[17:06] <pitti> I guess the "disable twitter input field without configured accounts" should also be there
[17:06] <davidbarth> the rest is already assigned to particular developers
[17:06] <davidbarth> well, so this one is the one with the invasive code change
[17:06] <davidbarth> ie, i' m now monitoring the service, so that required a g_object' ification with signal monitoring
[17:07] <davidbarth> i agree it should be reviewed as an FFE maybe; we're conducting code reviews for all code that land in trunk already though
[17:07] <pitti> couldn't it just update its UI when you configure accounts?
[17:07] <pitti> anyway, let's discuss off-meeting
[17:08] <davidbarth> we've released a couple of bug fixes also as part of our thursday uploads
[17:08] <davidbarth> pitti: ok
[17:08] <pitti> davidbarth: those are likely stuck in unapproved then
[17:08] <pitti> so let's re-test those next week
[17:08] <davidbarth> New releases for this week: see DesktopExperienceTeam/LucidWeeklyReleases
[17:08] <davidbarth> Of note:
[17:08] <davidbarth> indicator-me-0.2.5-0ubuntu1: bug fixes, hide missing options, show avatar in menu, fixes 525951
[17:08] <davidbarth> indicator-session-0.2.5-0ubuntu2: properly lock the screen when switching to another session, also respect lockdown settings
[17:08] <davidbarth> indicator-sound-0.1.3-0ubuntu1: mousewheel support fix (#521046 & #523369)
[17:08] <davidbarth> libindicator-0.3.6-0ubuntu1: enforces the proper icon size
[17:08] <davidbarth> yes, some are still in the queue
[17:08] <davidbarth> while other have already made it to the archive
[17:08] <slangasek> I'll be flushing the queue after the meeting
[17:09] <davidbarth> no worries
[17:09] <davidbarth> a heads up for the icon size thing too
[17:09] <pitti> just wanted to point out to davidbarth that some of the fixes are not really "in" yet, and thus folks might file a lot of dupes for beta-1 installations
[17:09] <davidbarth> we' ll have a patch next week to enforce the icon size in the indicator menus too, not only on the panel
[17:09] <davidbarth> pitti: ok
[17:10] <slangasek> ok; anything else for DX?
[17:10] <pitti> any other questions to DX?
[17:10] <slangasek> (pitti has to take off, so we'll switch chairs now)
[17:10] <pitti> davidbarth: merci beaucoup
[17:11] <pitti> #endmeeting
[17:11] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:11.
[17:11] <davidbarth> pitti: thanks
[17:11] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[17:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:11. The chair is slangasek.
[17:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:11]  * pitti hands microphone to slangasek
[17:11] <slangasek> thanks :)
[17:11] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[17:11] <slangasek> cjwatson: hi
[17:11] <cjwatson> Plymouth was a bit hair-raising in the run-up to beta-1, but I think we're in much better shape now due to some incredibly tedious strace-level debugging (thanks to Keybuk).
[17:11] <cjwatson> We had a substantial flow of bugs this week from ISO testing.  My general impression is that the bulk of the ones that have ended up milestoned are fairly small, relative to how things usually are ...
[17:11] <cjwatson> The big ISO testing bugs were: (1) LVM+encryption failure (looks like a race, in progress); (2) Wubi dropped to GRUB shell (fixed); (3) package installation failure in oem-config (unknown); (4) GRUB failures on LVM/RAID (in progress); (5) a collection of tractable-looking Kubuntu bugs
[17:11] <cjwatson> Spec overflow (all moved to beta-2):
[17:11] <cjwatson>  * foundations-lucid-supportable-binaries: 100% overflow, but archive-side and shouldn't need (many) uploads
[17:11] <cjwatson>  * foundations-lucid-release-collaboration-with-debian: 50% overflow, specifically Java - at this point I'm not concerned
[17:11] <cjwatson>  * foundations-lucid-computer-janitor: 25% overflow, one crash bug awaiting code review
[17:11] <cjwatson> Beta-2 work items: The only one I'll be at all concerned about not making it is vga16fb handling in Plymouth, which I understand to be in progress.
[17:11] <cjwatson> Bug 368060 is getting very slowly pushed up the design hill.
[17:11] <cjwatson> parted 2.x's new use of the BLKRRPART ioctl rather than BLKPG is causing several milestoned bugs.  Planning to unpick and revert this on a devil-you-know basis.
[17:11] <cjwatson> Of bugs milestoned to beta-2, based on a very rough count of which ones are for the Foundations team, we have 30 <= triaged, 5 in progress, and 14 fix committed.
[17:11] <cjwatson> Other than that, business as usual ...
[17:12] <cjwatson> --
[17:13] <slangasek> ok
[17:13] <slangasek> that all aligns with my own understanding of the last couple of days, so no questions :)
[17:13] <slangasek> anyone else?
[17:14] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Security Team
[17:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security Team
[17:14] <slangasek> cjwatson: thanks
[17:14] <slangasek> jdstrand: hi
[17:14] <cjwatson> oh, and thanks for dealing with the knock-on effects of beta-1 running late!
[17:15] <slangasek> cjwatson: better to get our "exciting" milestone out of the way before release day :)
[17:15] <slangasek> well, no jdstrand I guess
[17:17] <slangasek> the one milestoned bug has a merge request on it, which kees reviewed but I don't think understood the implications of since that's not our typical workflow... :)  I've prodded, so I guess that'll move soon
[17:17] <slangasek> [TOPIC] MOTU
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU
[17:17] <slangasek> ScottK: around?
[17:18] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:18] <slangasek> hello
[17:18] <ScottK> Seems like FFe's are getting reviewed.
[17:18] <ScottK> I didn't see any more Ruby/Ocaml/ghc6 requests, but I'm not sure if we're done.
[17:18] <slangasek> I hope to help with the FFe backlog tomorrow
[17:18] <ScottK> Still nervous about Python and 2.6 compatibility, but nothing new.
[17:19]  * slangasek nods
[17:19] <stgraber> pitti: sorry, wasn't around. For Edubuntu, I'm still waiting for the new logo to be done by Canonical Design team. Once I have it, we'll update the relevant artwork (usplash, website, maybe ubiquity).
[17:19] <slangasek> stgraber: have they given you a due date for that new logo?
[17:20] <ScottK> On a more general note, it looks like Debian will move to boost 1.42 for Squeeze.  I made an executive decision not to care (and updated the notes in the debian cooperation spec)
[17:20] <ScottK> That's all.
[17:20] <slangasek> ScottK: yes, I saw - thanks for that
[17:20] <slangasek> oh, speaking of FFes, a reminder to folks that as process bugs, FFes need to be set to "New" if you expect the release team to know they need looked at
[17:21] <slangasek> I've caught sight of a couple coming over to us as 'triaged' or 'in progress', and am concerned that we may be overlooking some requests this way
[17:21] <slangasek> (if the FreezeExceptionProcess page doesn't already mention this, I'll update it to do so)
[17:21] <slangasek> any other questions for MOTU?
[17:22] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:22] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:22.
[17:22] <slangasek> thanks, everyone!
[17:22] <cjwatson> the wiki doesn't appear to say this
[17:22] <stgraber> slangasek: it was supposed to be something like two weeks ago (at least for some temporary artwork) ... I've been regularly pinging iainfarrell about it ;) We basically needed the "e" and the "d" and then make a new logo out of that
[17:22] <Keybuk> slangasek: aren't the .04s the release weeks that always go relatively smoothly anyway?
[17:23] <iainfarrell> stgraber: We're awaiting final sign off on the font
[17:23] <slangasek> iainfarrell: who are you waiting for sign-off from?
[17:23] <ScottK> stgraber: Kubuntu didn't get just a "K" yet, so I wonder how long two letters takes ...
[17:23] <iainfarrell> still don't have it I'm afraid but as soon as I do there will be such a cheer that you'll hear it from there
[17:24] <Keybuk> stgraber: err, it probably isn't usplash artwork that needs updating ;-)
[17:24] <iainfarrell> ScottK: They take a long time, type face development is both time consuming and expensive
[17:24] <iainfarrell> so it's important we get it right
[17:24]  * slangasek reads Keybuk's comment, finds a piece of wood, and knocks on it hard with his head
[17:24] <ScottK> iainfarrell: Certainly.
[17:24] <stgraber> Keybuk: doh, sorry, yeah, plymouth ;)
[17:25] <iainfarrell> everything is dependant on this so keep checking in and as soon as we have it I'll be contacting the people who came in before freeze
[17:25] <iainfarrell> and we'll update the guideline pages on the wiki
[17:25] <iainfarrell> should be early next week at the latest but I've said that before
[17:25] <iainfarrell> so please bear with us
[17:26] <ScottK> iainfarrell: Which would be an indication the process was started later than it should have been.
[17:26] <iainfarrell> ScottK: which is an indication that decisions by those that get to make them have taken longer than they should have
[17:26] <iainfarrell> we started in good time
[17:27] <iainfarrell> but have asked for more attention to be paid to certain aspects and this has caused delay
[17:27] <ScottK> iainfarrell: All that's invisible to the community.
[17:27] <Keybuk> stgraber: writing plymouth themes is fun
[17:27] <Keybuk> I have my dancing monkey theme all ready for the next release ;-)
[17:28] <stgraber> Keybuk: hehe ;)
[17:28] <Keybuk> of course, I'm rather assuming that it will be "monkey" there, but I'm rooting for the monkey!
[17:29] <davmor2> Keybuk: I want to see what you'll do for might midge
[17:29] <davmor2> mighty even
[17:30] <slangasek> iainfarrell: who are you waiting for sign-off from at this point?
[17:31] <iainfarrell> slangasek: At the moment we've selected a direction and are awaiting some final amends from the developers which will then be signed off by Mark
[17:31] <iainfarrell> this won't give us a complete character set
[17:31] <iainfarrell> but enough for the logos
[17:31] <iainfarrell> and it'll be an almost complete roman character set
[17:32] <iainfarrell> once we're happy with those the other faces should come reasonably quickly but Mark is very keen not to rush this work so as I said, as soon as I have updates I'll let you know
[17:32] <slangasek> ok