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QuintasanI was sooo trolled by my ISP.00:11
Quintasan“Sorry but your district will have a short maintnance break”, short lasted 24 horus00:12
Quintasanhours*00:12
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: happy birthday, anyways00:13
QuintasanJontheEchidna: oh thanks00:14
Quintasanafter the first phonecall today I was like "WTF? It's not my brithday!" *looks at calendar* @_@00:15
JontheEchidnahaha00:15
JontheEchidnaI saw it on Skype00:15
Quintasanman, I need to download StarCraft II faster :S00:17
QuintasanThat's what you get when they start messing with ol' rusty cables00:17
Quintasan:(00:17
JontheEchidnakekeke00:18
Quintasanmoar updates, awesome00:18
* Quintasan was expecting a slowdown in boot time with newer releases but it is actually faster00:19
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: lol, there's somebody named zerg in #kubuntu00:28
* Quintasan eats zergs for breakfast00:28
Quintasan<3 protoss00:28
JontheEchidnaI'll take this opportunity to reveal that I've never played Star Craft, and have only seen the memes :P00:33
Quintasan...00:33
QuintasanI will pretend I did not hear that00:33
Quintasanreally00:33
Quintasan:P00:33
QuintasanYou'd better fix that mistake now00:34
Fersureum, problem. no "KPackageKit" or "System Settings" under "Computer" in Kickoff..01:12
FersureIn Lucid o_o01:12
FeasibilityStudyAnyone having issues with pinentry-qt4 failing with Lucid?01:21
JontheEchidnanope, works fine here01:25
JontheEchidnanixternal: yo, I got a question. Would a patch to amarok removing the unnecessary "do you really want to use the default location to set up your collection" dialog hurt anything with docs?01:28
FeasibilityStudyhmmm..On my end whenever pinentry is initiated it will blink 3 times really quickly and then say "incorrect password, signing failed"01:28
JontheEchidnawould I need a UI freeze exception for this?01:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: Yes, but as long as you get an ack from the doc person, it's not a big deal to get.01:29
JontheEchidnanice01:29
ScottKSince you're just dropping strings, it can't hurt translations.01:29
FeasibilityStudyPintentry qt-4 is broken on Lucid.  And I can't get a backtrace01:45
ScottKRiddell: kdebase-workspace is waiting in binary New for you when you get a moment.  libplasmagenericshell needs to go into Main (it's split from a Main package)05:47
ScottKIf FeasibilityStudy comes back, it works here.  He should check if gpg-agent is runnning.05:58
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freeflyingDo you guys have issue with your kmail? mine is crazy, it retrive all my email again, and this issus has happended 2 times before08:45
jussi01freeflying: using imap or disconnected imap or?08:48
freeflyingjussi01: pop308:48
jussi01oh... I dont use that sorry. :(08:48
freeflyingjussi01: :)08:48
jussi01But, I do have another little gripe with something else... who do I grab about notifications...08:49
freeflyinghaha, I'm using kontact under gnome08:49
freeflyingbut this should be the root cause08:50
jussi01thing is, when a notification pops up with an acrtion, ie. the one for kpackagekit, asks you if you want to upgrade your packages; then the clickable buttons on there use the theme from your applications, but the writing is from the plasma theme. thus, you cant mix and match dark and light themes because it becaomes unreadable. the buttons should come from plasma, not else where.08:52
jussi01freeflying: could you highlight me like 3 or 4 times?08:53
freeflyingjussi01: hi08:55
freeflyingjussi01: hi08:55
freeflyingjussi01: hi08:55
freeflyingjussi01: hi08:55
freeflyingjussi01: :)08:55
jussi01once more?08:55
freeflyingjussi01: hey08:56
jussi01so, this is what Im talking about: http://imagebin.ca/view/EMyThRkj.html08:59
freeflyingjussi01: you mean the button on the poppup box?09:01
jussi01freeflying: yes09:01
jussi01freeflying: I really dont understand why it is grey...09:02
jussi01it seems like its taking a generic color from somewhere...09:02
freeflyingjussi01: the message from kopete is fine09:03
freeflyingjussi01: suppose that is from your irc client09:03
jussi01freeflying: yes, its only the button (and its quassel)09:03
jussi01thing is, my theme is blue.09:03
jussi01so I really dont know where the grey is actually coming from09:04
shadeslayerhmm.. does anybody else get a smal rectangular box on the top left with plymouth during the boot?09:04
shadeslayerthe whole screen is purple while that particular region is black09:05
shadeslayerah loads of upgrades09:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: I do not understand why our package must depend libssl just because git apparently does?09:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: but but... how come 2.3 compiles without libssl dev?09:11
shadeslayerin the repos that is09:11
apacheloggergit > 2.3 I would suppose09:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: hmm weird ive compiling it for the last 2-3 months09:12
apacheloggerRiddell: do you think we should blog about the logo rebranding business?09:12
apacheloggerpeople get the wrong idea again09:12
apacheloggerjust like I predicted btw :P09:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: then I dunno09:13
apacheloggermaybe we do the heavy patching09:13
shadeslayerhehe :)09:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: well if kubuntu doesnt need it then meh...09:14
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/lucid/amarok09:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: just thought that i might let you know09:14
apacheloggerit build-deps on libcurl4-gnutls-dev09:14
apacheloggerwhich AFAIK is a SSL lib09:14
apacheloggershadeslayer: did you try wiping your cmake cache?09:15
persiaIt's a TLS lib, which is kinda like SSL and kinda not like SSL.09:15
apacheloggerkk09:15
apachelogger:)09:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: yes09:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: i have a script which deletes the whole build/ folder09:16
* apachelogger thinks we need a kde shortcut to go to the source branch of $name09:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/debian/mysql_no_openssl_fix.diff09:18
apacheloggerfrom debian09:18
shadeslayerah09:18
apacheloggerjefferai: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu/06_mimetypes.diff09:25
apacheloggerjefferai: as per bug 191475 ... those are necessary for desktop interoperabitlity it seems :)09:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 191475 in amarok "[hardy] media tab in file management preferences missing applications" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19147509:27
Tonio_hi there09:29
Tonio_Riddell: do you think it'll be possible to push the new networkmanagement post beta ?09:29
Tonio_Riddell: afaics it really works well, and most reports are very positive...09:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw can you confirm this : https://bugs.kde.org/231398 ?09:32
apacheloggerhai Tonio_09:32
shadeslayerand im starting to hate nouveau09:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: I do not run latest git09:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: ah ok09:33
Tonio_hey apachelogger:)09:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: go write a mail about nouveau or go cry to #ubuntu-x ;)09:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: or i can just install the nvidia binary blob09:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: well i did talk to people in X and they said that 3-D wont make it into the lucid release09:34
shadeslayerso i probably will have to switch to nvidia...09:34
shadeslayerum... why do i have the nvidia drivers in my upgrades \o/ : http://pastebin.ca/184647409:35
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/kpkgcode.ogv09:39
apachelogger\o/09:39
apacheloggermore shortcuts09:39
apacheloggeralso09:40
apachelogger\o/09:40
apacheloggermore scripts09:40
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/scripts/deb-sourcecheck09:40
apacheloggerfinally came to upload that beasty ^^09:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: does every ubuntu member get this kind of space?09:56
apacheloggerIIRC ye09:57
apacheloggers09:57
shadeslayernice09:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: people.ubuntu.com09:57
apacheloggershould redirect to a wiki page with information09:57
shadeslayeroh..09:57
shadeslayeryes it does :D09:57
* apachelogger notes that there is no good wallpaper to be found via kgethotnewstuff :(09:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah..09:58
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apacheloggerah09:58
apacheloggerI will just use the linux mint one :D09:58
shadeslayerlol.. i like the pardus kdm theme though...09:59
apacheloggerlooks neat enough + I rarely have green wallies09:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: I like KDEs better09:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: the default one? nah.. to bluey09:59
apacheloggerhm09:59
shadeslayerhmm.. i need to start tagging my codechef emails too :)10:00
apacheloggerthat linuxmint one is actually pretty crappy10:00
apacheloggeras a wallpaper that is10:00
apacheloggersplash screen maybe10:00
apacheloggerbut no good for wallie10:00
* shadeslayer wonders what happened to chromium10:02
persiaapachelogger: deb-sourcecheck looks useful.  Please consider adding it to u-d-t once the archive is fully open again.10:02
shadeslayer[18142:18159:3866675780:FATAL:chrome/browser/sync/syncable/directory_backing_store.cc(193)] file is encrypted or is not a database10:02
apacheloggerpersia: there is a similar too in udt suspicious-source or something10:03
apacheloggerjust that it is crap :P10:03
persiaYeah, suspicious-source.  Yours looks nicer, but doesn't have all of the special cases.  I'd like to see one tool to rule them all, because the archive-admins are currently stuck using suspicious-source.10:04
persia(and getting them better tools means NEW is faster, etc.)10:04
shadeslayerapachelogger: <3 this : https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/oeljdmeofcikjblcoehpmdnooimalbmj?hl=en#10:05
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apacheloggerpersia: well, see that is why mine is superior, I do not need to list all types of source files, because source files in the end are text files and text files will be marked as either *ASCII* or *text* by file10:07
apacheloggerin the end it will spit out everything that is binary data and not whitelisted10:07
shadeslayer_ok brb.. installed the nvidia drivers :P10:10
apacheloggerpersia: http://pastebin.ca/1846498 vs. http://pastebin.ca/184649910:11
persiaapachelogger: Your whitelist could be longer (e.g. .wav, .au, .sng, etc.).  Also, if fails for non-ascii unicode text (common for people with certain names)10:12
apacheloggeryeah, that is just a matter of extending it :)10:13
apacheloggerin general it will give much more appropriate hits than suspicious-source though ;)10:13
persiaWell, yeah, but as far as I can tell, the bugtracker is in your head :)10:13
persiaMuch.10:13
* apachelogger doesnt do bugs :P10:13
persiaAnd I agree (looking at your example) that .mp3 and .ogg are target formats, not source.10:13
persiaYou don't do bugs?  I've seen you fix *lots* of bugs.10:15
apacheloggernone of which were mine :P10:15
persiaI get it.  You only fix bugs when it fills you with that smug sense of satisfaction in fixing someone else's mistake?10:16
apacheloggerpersia: exactly ^^10:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: any idea why the temprature plasmoid always shows temps in F and not in C?10:27
apachelogger*shrug*10:27
apacheloggerlocale maybe10:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: where do i adjust that?10:27
apacheloggersystemsettings10:27
apacheloggerregional & language or something10:27
apacheloggerthere you can configure that kind of stuff10:28
shadeslayeryeah found it10:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: ah thanks... i was going to report a bug :P10:28
shadeslayerfeels nice to be back on the nvidia driver :P10:43
apacheloggersweet ness10:46
* apachelogger starts redoing code for cpp excercise :(10:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: :) i even removed the splash stuff... boot time reduced by a sec i think10:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw do you know of a command that will compress a folder with .avi to maximum?10:49
apacheloggeroh wow, that is the single most frightning code I have ever seen, first an array gets created on the stack and then the addresses get copied to pointers on the heap Oo10:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: eh?10:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: avi is a media container, no more than that10:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: like i want to tarball all my videos into one and have max. compression10:51
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apacheloggeroh10:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: youd probably want lzma compression for that10:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: man tar is your friend10:53
apacheloggerapparently it already supports on the way filtering through lzma, so you just need to build your arguments list10:53
apacheloggerotherwise you coud have to create the tar and then lzma -9 it10:53
apacheloggeror create the tar as a IOpipe and then lzma -9 from that pipe10:54
shadeslayerhmm10:54
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Guest87270who is handling the kubuntu netbook package?11:56
Guest87270like all the development stuff11:57
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shadeslayeroh btw who was asking for a jockey backtrace that day?12:03
shadeslayerwhen i said that jockey-kde is crashy... well here it is : http://pastebin.ca/184655812:03
shadeslayeri tried the install dbg symbols button but thats all i get after reloading12:04
JontheEchidnathat's a python-qt4 crash, and a very strangeish one at that12:08
JontheEchidnayet another reason not to use python12:09
JontheEchidnaaha: bug 40336112:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 403361 in python-qt4 "apport-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QWidgetPrivate::deleteExtra()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40336112:09
shadeslayerbrb12:11
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/54260812:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 542608 in kdebase-workspace "Switching to plasma-netbook and back to plasma-desktop adds 2 widget sets" [Undecided,New]12:12
JontheEchidnacan't reproduce here12:13
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: wierd...12:13
JontheEchidnaI'd suggest looking for similar reports at bugs.kde.org, and filing a bug if you don't find one already there12:14
shadeslayerok ill have a look12:15
JontheEchidnathen we can ask more people here, and if you're the only one we can close the launchpad bug and track it at bugs.kde.org12:15
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: :)12:15
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ScottKRiddell: Here's the solution to the debug spam problem (at the end of) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22708914:08
ubottuKDE bug 227089 in general "KDE runtime libraries are by default in noisy debug mode to stdout/stderr" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]14:08
sanichкто нибудь помогите запустить АМАРОК14:35
ryanakcaWho at Canonical can tell me which companies or organisations use Kubuntu?14:44
* shadeslayer passes nixternal some coffee15:21
nixternalthank you shadeslayer... enjoying some coffee and awesome bagels while surrounded by gnomeites15:35
shadeslayernixternal: nice blog btw :D15:41
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ScottKCan the "recent notifications" popup that goes with any notifications in 4.4 go away?17:21
verbalshadowScottK: only if there is zero notifications, AFAIK17:24
ScottKIt seems an odd choice at best to have a notification that says "here are your notifications".17:31
ScottKJontheEchidna: If you could make that go away you'd be my hero once again.17:31
SputScottK: in trunk I don't see that anymore17:40
Sputso looks like upstream got some sanity too :)17:40
ScottKgood to hear.17:40
JontheEchidnaYeah, they reworked the entire notifications system for 4.517:40
* ScottK looks again at JontheEchidna and his svn surfing skillz.17:40
JontheEchidnait's also separate from the system tray plasmoid in 4.517:41
ScottKJontheEchidna: Any chance we can make 'recent notifications' notification go away?17:41
ScottKSounds like there's no worry about carrying a patch for a long time.17:41
JontheEchidnaWe'd have to maintain it for the LTS lifetime17:42
ScottKTrue.17:42
JontheEchidnaplus it is a way to see notifications you may have missed17:42
JontheEchidnaI don't know if upstream would be too keen on us removing the feature17:42
ScottKCan't you click on the "i" to get recent ones back?17:42
shadeslayerScottK: nope17:43
shadeslayerScottK: they last for about 30 secs17:43
shadeslayeror less17:43
ScottKThat's recent.17:43
ScottKRight now if I unplug my netbook from power, I get three notifications.  That's proof positive that at least in this area, upstream is nuts.17:44
JontheEchidnaI do plan on patching away the nepomuk notifications17:45
JontheEchidnathose are just ridiculous17:45
ScottKIs there a way to turn the recent notifications thing off?17:45
JontheEchidnanot that I can see17:46
ScottKThere at least ought to be that.17:46
shadeslayerScottK: i get 2 here17:47
shadeslayerScottK: one from powerdevil and one from nepomuk17:47
shadeslayerScottK: oh you can disable the power notifications17:48
ScottKI get those two and the recent notifications one.17:48
ScottKThe power one is the one I think's reasonable.17:48
shadeslayeroh youre counting that? :P17:48
ScottKYep.17:48
ScottKOf course the one of the three that I think we should have is the one you can turn off.17:49
Sputhm yeah, notifications really are much better in trunk, now that you remind me how it looked in 4.4 :)17:58
SputJontheEchidna: the new systray also can embed plasmoids, so you can have the notifications plasmoid in it like in 4.4 :) I think that's even default now17:58
lex79ScottK: If you have time to sponsor, I uploaded soprano 2.4.1 to my ppa http://tinyurl.com/ykg4ybm18:12
ScottKlex79: Probably not today.18:16
lex79ok18:17
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bince__hi guys i am stuck in petiboot loader screen18:32
bince__its not showing my kubuntu install file in its menu18:32
bince__i can access my disk in mnt folder but what should i do to initiate the installation process of my kubunut(i am trying to install it on ps3)18:33
shadeslayerah nice...plasma crash19:27
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we need them fancy web 2.0 buttons20:21
JontheEchidnawhen where and why?20:21
apachelogger"FEAR THE PYTHON"20:21
apacheloggeror some crazy things20:21
JontheEchidnalol20:22
JontheEchidnathey'd be a shiny web 2.0 snake20:22
apachelogger"Ubuntu is a Lunix written almost entirely in Python" :P20:22
JontheEchidna:D20:22
JontheEchidnaSounds like an uncyclopedia entry20:22
apacheloggeras if it wasnt the truth :P20:22
JontheEchidnaand here I am trying to do a GSoC project on a python app :S20:23
apacheloggerIMHO launguage-selector should be ported to CPython API and use cpp itself :P20:24
* apachelogger would like to see some decent cpython implemention anyway20:24
apacheloggerI would be lying if I claimed that I understand their API documentation20:24
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: your blog post made quite the wave. peeps still talking about it on the microblag20:41
apacheloggermicroblag!20:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: talking is always good I suppose20:42
apacheloggernot that I would know what they are talking20:42
* apachelogger is again out of sync :(20:42
JontheEchidnamostly they're just posting the link20:43
apacheloggerah20:43
apacheloggerif advertisement was always that easy20:43
apacheloggerI noticed that someone in a french ubuntu forum claimed that I am a canonical employee :D20:43
JontheEchidnalol20:44
apacheloggerhm, that post had 2.5k visitors today20:48
apacheloggermadness20:49
JontheEchidnabest post I got had 800 (timelord announcement)20:50
* apachelogger cant really tell :(20:50
apacheloggeroh, maybe analytics got them informations20:50
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, I am canonical employee, I must get more visits than you obviously ;)20:51
JontheEchidna:P20:51
JontheEchidnaYou probably would be, except you'd assault your fellow employees for advocating python20:51
Quintasanoh man, coding objects is so fun20:52
Quintasan"Make a class that represents a lamp, the methods should be able to turn it on or off and a colour of the lamp should be defined"20:52
Quintasan:O20:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I would try to fight the evil from inside the company ! :D20:52
apacheloggeroh20:52
apacheloggeranalytics++20:52
apacheloggermost visited post was announcement of kde-nightly integration in project neon20:53
apacheloggerQuintasan: there ^^^20:53
apacheloggerneon will give you loads of visitors20:53
apacheloggerthat got 8.5k visitors20:53
apacheloggermy rant about kubuntu l10n got 3k20:53
apacheloggeroxygen cursors 2.5k20:54
Quintasanapachelogger: that code is crap, I dunno why did that work for you, seriously20:54
Quintasanit fails everytime on each machine I have tried (3 so far)20:54
apacheloggerthe secret is to have en envrionment that works :P20:54
apacheloggeror to know how to fix things :P20:54
* apachelogger ran neon on a gentoo machine actually :P20:55
Quintasanor stopping to code while under effects of alcohol20:55
Quintasan^_^20:55
apacheloggernah20:55
apacheloggeronly that made it possible to shoot out the code in like a couple of days or so20:55
Quintasannow, maintain it20:56
Quintasanthe level of that task is over 900020:56
Tm_Thi20:56
apacheloggerQuintasan: just rewrite it :P20:56
QuintasanTm_T: \o20:56
apacheloggerbesides, I do not see the problem with maintaining20:56
apacheloggerQuintasan: what is failing?20:57
apacheloggerneon or the building?20:57
Quintasanapachelogger: beats me, it tries to download files which are not there and complains because they are not there20:57
Quintasan:S20:57
apacheloggerQuintasan: pasty20:57
apacheloggerTm_T: mom, I am famous on the microblags JontheEchidna says!!!20:58
Tm_Tapachelogger: he is just saying nice things to you );20:58
Quintasanapachelogger: in few minutes, I need to finish coding my Lamp class20:59
apacheloggerTm_T: you dont think I am famous? :(20:59
apacheloggerQuintasan: I got a character class :P20:59
Tm_Tapachelogger: sure you are20:59
apacheloggerthat forward declares 16 other classes, just because I am obsessed with forward declaration ^^20:59
apacheloggerTm_T: :)21:00
apacheloggerTm_T: just not on microblags?21:00
Tm_Tapachelogger: only in this channel (;21:06
Tm_Tor in other words, in our family21:06
apachelogger<3 family21:06
apacheloggerthat said, maybe I will not retire from development21:06
Tm_Tbetter not21:06
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apacheloggerhm21:37
apacheloggeranyone with karmic around?21:37
ScottKapachelogger: Sure.21:37
ScottKapachelogger: You can't retire from anything until you're at least as old as nixternal.21:38
crimsunor ten years younger than ScottK ;-)21:38
apacheloggerpfff21:39
apacheloggerScottK: ls /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-* | grep indicator | xargs grep Name21:39
ScottKYeah, if I were a better businessman, I'd be retired already.21:39
apacheloggerplease21:39
ScottKOK21:39
ScottKapachelogger: Name=Indicator Display21:39
ScottKX-KDE-PluginInfo-Name=indicatordisplay21:39
apacheloggerScottK: thanks21:39
ScottKNo problem.21:39
apacheloggeroh oh21:53
* apachelogger kicks plasma "silly robot"21:53
debfxanyone wants to test an updated brightness osd patch that should bring it back to life?22:58
debfxhttps://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu22:58
ScottKdebfx: Didn't that get upstream?23:01
* ScottK nudges Riddell again about kdebase-workspace sitting in binary New.23:08
debfxScottK: no, I submitted it to the KDE review board in october but haven't got a response23:13
ScottKdebfx: OK.  Please give it another push for 4.5.23:14

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