[00:00] <Sarvatt> kmsdbh_: oh you are using karmic with the lucid kernel?
[00:00] <koliz> I really feel that alot of good stuff has happen with lucid
[00:00] <Sarvatt> do things worth with actual ubuntu lucid packages? :)
[00:00] <koliz> really like the new interface
[00:00] <Sarvatt> I noticed you were using my xorg-edgers ones
[00:01] <FullPolarFox1981> bazhang Yep... it is a nazi's headquarters,
[00:01] <CalmvsKhaos> O.o
[00:01] <yofel> !coc | FullPolarFox1981
[00:01] <Sarvatt> it'd be worth installing ppa-purge, then doing a sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers and rebooting
[00:01] <bazhang> !ops | FullPolarFox1981
[00:01] <kmsdbh_> hmm I upgraded my system yesterday, through aptitude dist-upgrade
[00:01] <FullPolarFox1981> bazhang you are a nazi's traitor
[00:02] <CalmvsKhaos> ty jpds
[00:02]  * yofel shakes head...
[00:02] <kmsdbh_> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.com/wsUx1Zmd
[00:02] <barry> has anybody else noticed odd behavior with top and bottom gnome panels on dual headed machines?  seems like they only want to live on the right screen no matter what you do (in karmic they were on the left, where they should be! :)
[00:04] <kmsdbh_> Sarvatt: I put the xorg-edgers after having this problem
[00:05] <kmsdbh_> ok, gonna reboot, maybe it's my bad, again...
[00:06] <kmsdbh_> I'll come back. Thanks people
[00:06] <Sarvatt> kmsdbh_: have you tried readding quiet splash back to the kernel command line? plymouth is segfaulting there without it, i would try removing all of your extra options and just booting with quiet and splash added just to see how it is as a first step
[00:18] <CosmiChaos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/541749 - More Data
[00:27] <kklimonda> CosmiChaos: you would probably have more luck on the #ubuntu-x channel
[00:33] <pepee> I was using another nick... k<something>_
[00:33] <pepee> well, xinit loads, but kubuntu doesn't
[00:34] <pepee> dmesg says "client connected" and "client <some number> has disconnected"
[00:38] <marenostrum> Karmic Koala here. My home directory is encrypted with eCryptfs. It lies on a seperate partition. What should I do before attempting to make a fresh install of Lucid (not Web upgrade), mounting that partion as home again and without data loss? Additional question: I guess there wont be any problem with Web upgrade without any special measure; am I right?
[00:48] <luca_> hi everyone
[00:48] <luca_> I am testing the Beta, so far I have a minor but annoying problem: all the titlebars and window decorators are not drawn anymore.
[00:49] <luca_> Nvidia graphics, driver enabled
[00:49] <luca_> anyone with a similar problem?
[00:50] <marenostrum> Luca: Hi. Everybody went to bed I think. I didn't install yet.
[00:51] <luca_> marenostrum: ok, thanks
[00:51] <luca_> I think I'll follow suit as everybody else then :)
[00:51] <luca_> bye
[00:52] <marenostrum> :-)
[00:55] <ugliefrog> there isnt any pop up notifications that i can see
[00:59] <bes> i get this error when i tyr to boot 10.4 "GLIB WARNING ** GLib - getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)"
[01:00] <vivid> luca_, Alt+F2,  compiz --replace &
[01:05] <Linux000> What is the name of the LiveCD Installer?
[01:06] <jpds> Linux000: Ubiquity..
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> Linux000: ubiquity
[01:06] <Linux000> Thanks
[01:07] <samtoucan> apparently my ATI radeon 4350 no longer needs a proprietary driver in lucid, is that right?
[01:09] <ugliefrog> anyone here use vuze
[01:17] <KruyKaze> is ubuntu one syncing for you guys?
[01:19] <avar> I can't even get it to start
[01:21] <kklimonda> KruyKaze: it does something for sure
[01:22] <KruyKaze> first time i use it on lucid
[01:22] <KruyKaze> i added a file and it never syncs
[01:23] <kklimonda> KruyKaze: what does u1sdtool -s say?
[01:23] <KruyKaze> let me check
[01:23] <FeasibilityStudy> Anyone having issues with pinentry-qt4 failing with Lucid?  When it pops up, it doesnt give time to enter the password, it just blinks 3 times and says incorrect password.
[01:24] <KruyKaze> State: READY
[01:24] <KruyKaze>     connection: Not User With Network
[01:24] <KruyKaze>     description: ready to connect
[01:24] <KruyKaze>     is_connected: False
[01:24] <KruyKaze>     is_error: False
[01:24] <KruyKaze>     is_online: False
[01:24] <KruyKaze>     queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH
[01:24] <Pici> !paste
[01:24] <KruyKaze> sorry
[01:24] <FeasibilityStudy> !scrolling
[01:24] <kklimonda> KruyKaze: do u1sdtool -c
[01:25] <KruyKaze> kklimonda, done
[01:25] <KruyKaze> no output
[01:25] <FeasibilityStudy> Anyone having issues with pinentry-qt4 failing with Lucid?  When it pops up, it doesnt give time to enter the password, it just blinks 3 times and says incorrect password.
[01:25] <KruyKaze> now it says connected and online
[01:25] <KruyKaze> no tray icon
[01:26] <kklimonda> there is no tray icon
[01:26] <KruyKaze> they removed it?
[01:26] <kklimonda> yes
[01:26] <KruyKaze> ok
[01:26] <technoviking> is there a work around to panels/nautilus not working after updated
[01:26] <KruyKaze> it used to show if not connected
[01:26] <kklimonda> indeed, that's probably a bug
[01:27] <technoviking> anyone else having that problem
[01:27] <KruyKaze> kklimonda, i see a weird half green half blue syncing sign now
[01:27] <KruyKaze> kklimonda,  and now it's synced
[01:28] <pepee> can't log in kubuntu
[01:28] <KruyKaze> kklimonda, am i suppsed to tell it to connect everytime?
[01:28] <pepee> xorg just restarts
[01:28] <pepee> but xinit works fine
[01:28] <kklimonda> KruyKaze: no idea
[01:28] <kklimonda> I don't remember
[01:29] <KruyKaze> i guess i could add u1sdtool -c to startup :D
[01:29] <KruyKaze> kklimonda, does it hurt to use it when it's already connected?
[01:30] <kklimonda> probably not
[01:30] <KruyKaze> ok good to know thanks
[01:30] <pepee> package kubuntu-desktop was removed while upgrading, don't knnow why
[01:31] <ChogyDan> pepee: probably some broken packages
[01:31] <pepee> hmm and how to recover access to kde?
[01:33] <pepee> if i run startx, it shows half of the loading bar and then just stops
[01:34] <yofel> pepee: what loading bar?
[01:34] <pepee> and if I run /etc/init.d/kdm start it's the same, but then shows the login screen
[01:35] <pepee> yofel: I changed the theme, so kde shows a bar while loading
[01:35] <yofel> hm...
[01:35] <xfact_> Hello
[01:36] <xfact_> This kind of APT(s) "ppa:hydr0g3n/ppa " works on Lucid?
[01:36] <yofel> xfact_: it should
[01:36] <xfact_> yofel, Ok trying...
[01:37] <yofel> pepee: do you have plymouth installed?
[01:37] <pepee> (EE) PreInit returned NULL for ""Macintosh mouse button emulation""
[01:37] <pepee> that's the only error I can see
[01:37] <LaserJock> sooo, anybody having gnome-panel not start up at login anymore?
[01:37] <yofel> pepee: as Sarvatt said before, I don't think that has anything to do with your issue
[01:37] <pepee> yep
[01:37] <maxb> LaserJock: yup. Interesting errors in .xsession-errors
[01:38] <pepee> plymouth is installed
[01:38] <LaserJock> maxb: ok, not just me, good
[01:38] <yofel> pepee: maybe try to purge plymouth and see if it helps, here it caused more harm then good
[01:38] <pepee> btw it's a laptop
[01:38] <pepee> ok
[01:38] <LaserJock> looks like there a big issue with .desktop files
[01:40] <RebelZero> usher69
[01:40] <LaserJock> hmmpf, X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain is getting set twice
[01:40] <Bookman> I just updated two of my experimental systems this evening and now they boot up to just a background screen and the cursor.  Nothing else can be done.  Anyone know if this is a known bug?
[01:43] <maxb> Bookman: It's being chatted about here, I don't know if anyone's filed it yet
[01:44] <Bookman> Seems a pretty major one.
[01:46] <tester3478> Hi. I am testing Xubuntu 10.04 and want to enable my bluetooth mouse. Is there a graphical interface like in gnome?
[01:47] <tester3478> ?
[01:48] <thedoor> anyone else lost the acess to gnome asfter the last update?
[01:48] <pepee> well, I'm not alone.. haha
[01:48] <thedoor> lol :)
[01:48] <tester3478> bluetooth under XUbuntu 10.04 anyone?
[01:49] <pepee> bad luck, I just upgraded to lucid yesterday...
[01:49] <thedoor> pepee, im using the alpha by 2 weeks
[01:49] <thedoor> and today it crashes :(
[01:49] <tester3478> :(
[01:49] <LaserJock> I've been using Lucid for a couple months
[01:49] <Bookman> thedoor, I'm in the same boat on two of my machines.  Alpha was great.  Beta, not good at all.
[01:50] <LaserJock> and this is the first real trouble I've had
[01:50] <pepee> ATI anyone?
[01:50] <tester3478> very helpful 300 users!
[01:50] <maxb> LaserJock, Bookman: all the problems are due to malformed desktop files. I went through and fixed all mine in /etc/xdg/autostart/ and /usr/share/applications/ and my system seems happy now
[01:50] <LaserJock> Bookman: Beta itself or Beta+installs
[01:50] <pepee> tester3478: blueman?
[01:50] <LaserJock> maxb: yeah, I just can't figure out why they're doing that.
[01:50] <thedoor> LaserJock, you get no access to gnome too? :(
[01:51] <tester3478> there is no blueman available
[01:51] <Bookman> maxb, what do you mean by 'malformed'?
[01:51] <LaserJock> thedoor: well, some access, but things are failing
[01:51] <xfact_> yofel, It failures, I think I have to add the whole apt specially available for lucid
[01:51] <maxb> key=value pairs before the [Desktop Entry] header
[01:51] <LaserJock> Bookman: the .desktop files have an extra X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain
[01:52] <LaserJock> which causes the .desktop files to not be valid
[01:52] <yofel> xfact_: what are you trying to do exactly and where do you use the ppa: line?
[01:52] <hdpb> booting to lucid beta from a usb key leaves me with no mouse on my laptop.  suggesstions to troubleshoot?
[01:52] <pepee> I can't access to kde, except for the login and the "loading" screens
[01:53] <kklimonda> LaserJock: which .desktop files?
[01:53] <yofel> pepee: anything in ~/.xsession-errors maybe?
[01:53] <Bookman> maxb, I'm assuming this is something they will repair eventually.  One of my machines has KDE on it and it works fine.  The other is out of commission for the time being I guess.
[01:53] <LaserJock> kklimonda: many many
[01:54] <LaserJock> kklimonda: applets, gnome-panel, etc.
[01:54] <kklimonda> LaserJock: hmm.. those in /usr/share/applications ?
[01:54] <thedoor> well, i will date with my girlfriend while it don't works :(
[01:54] <thedoor> bye bye guys :)
[01:54] <LaserJock> kklimonda: also in /etc/xdg/autostart
[01:54] <LaserJock> kklimonda: hence the login problem
[01:54] <pepee> yofel: yep, there is something there
[01:55] <kklimonda> LaserJock: I've just done a clean install and update and I don't have duplicated entries in .desktop files.
[01:55] <IdleOne> ZykoticK9: I see there was a fix released for the volume bug we were talking about the other night but I still have the bug. has it been released but not uploaded to repos or do I need to apply a patch?
[01:55] <LaserJock> kklimonda: in which ones?
[01:55] <yofel> pepee: kde usually puts a lot in there, is there anything informational at the end when it stops?
[01:56] <LaserJock> on my machine /etc/xdg/autostart/indicator-session.desktop has an extra X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain on top
[01:57] <pepee> ksmserver: error while loading shared libraries: libatiuki.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:57] <kklimonda> LaserJock: hmm.. I don't have this file at all (nor can I find indicator-session.desktop in any package)
[01:58] <LaserJock> uh, ok
[01:58] <LaserJock> how about /etc/xdg/autostart/evolution-alarm-notify.desktop
[01:58] <LaserJock> these I'm seeing in .xsession-errors
[01:58] <kklimonda> looks fine
[01:58] <kklimonda> no duplicated entries
[01:59] <LaserJock> must be something weird going on then
[01:59] <maxb> kklimonda: I suspect you're on a slightly out of date mirror
[02:00] <kklimonda> ah, right - I haven't switched after installation
[02:00] <datag> hm... my lucid in virtualbox won't log me in into gnome after today's upgrade.. any ideas?
[02:00] <kklimonda> saved by the delay..
[02:00] <yofel> pepee: o.O, that file is part of fglrx-driver, which isn't supposed to work in lucid
[02:00] <maxb> Some broken packages: evolution (2.28.3-0ubuntu5) gnome-applets (2.29.5-0ubuntu2) gnome-panel (1:2.29.92.1-0ubuntu2)
[02:00] <datag> just see the wallpaper and mouse-pointer, nothing else
[02:01] <maxb> datag: This is what I, LaserJock, Bookman and kklimonda have been discussing
[02:01] <kklimonda> but my /etc/xdg/autostart/evolution-alarm-notify.desktop is fine after I've updated using main mirror.. weird
[02:01] <pepee> yofel: hmm ok, now I understand...
[02:01] <kklimonda> oh, it's not anymore
[02:02] <maxb> Oh, and gnome-disk-utility (2.30.0-1)
[02:02] <datag> maxb: ah ok :) haven't been reading here... I'll have to scroll my chatlog
[02:02] <Some_Person> I just upgraded to lucid, and update-manager wants to do a "partial upgrade" now
[02:02] <yofel> pepee: see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#Known%20issues
[02:02] <IdleOne> Some_Person: hold off
[02:02] <IdleOne> partial upgrades tend to brake things
[02:03] <Some_Person> nothing seems to be broken at the moment
[02:03] <pepee> yofel: I uninstalled fglrx after upgrading, but removed it
[02:03] <Some_Person> so how do i fix this crap?
[02:04] <IdleOne> Some_Person: just don't do the upgrade for now. tomorrow (probably) the rest of the packages will be upgraded
[02:04] <tester3478> no bluez-gnome package in lucid why is that and how can I add my bluetooth mouse under xubuntu 10.04?
[02:04]  * datag loves virtualbox's snapshot feature in such cases :)
[02:04] <IdleOne> and then you can do the upgrade OR go for it!
[02:04] <yofel> Some_Person: nice read on partial upgrades: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8423548&postcount=1
[02:04] <hdpb> i have a mouse cursor, but no movement running off a usb and don't want to install to hd/update until i know why.  suggestions?
[02:05] <yofel> pepee: then I don't understand why it would try to load that file, do you still have fglrx set in your xorg.conf?
[02:05]  * IdleOne votes +1 for Some_Person doing a partial upgrade :)
[02:05] <pepee> yofel: nope
[02:05] <yofel> pepee: then I'm out of ideas, sorry
[02:05] <Some_Person> When I saw that it wanted to remove empathy, f-spot, and other things, I knew it wasn't a good idea
[02:06] <pepee> but it seems like i have to reconfigure kde...
[02:08] <pepee> yofel: thanks
[02:13] <Some_Person> Is this "partial upgrade" problem appearing for everyone?
[02:13] <kla> I removed that package that gives me the splash - I want it back but I forgot the name. help!
[02:13] <arand> Some_Person: Partial upgrades are almost always trouble.
[02:13] <arand> kla: plymouth?
[02:14] <kla> arand, yes!! thanks a 1,000,000
[02:14] <Some_Person> So how do I fix this trouble?
[02:15] <arand> Some_Person: Wait, unless you already pulled the trap.
[02:15] <Some_Person> "pulled the trap"?
[02:16] <Some_Person> If you're asking "Have I done the partial upgrade?", the answer is no
[02:17] <yofel> Some_Person: resolving it depends on what package is causing it
[02:17] <arand> Some_Person: Yea, expression mashup :)   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343434
[02:18] <arand> ""Most "Partial Upgrade" situations occur due to package archive inconsistencies, which will typically be resolved within a few hours. If your package manager is confused, and so are you, simply wait and hold off the updates until things settle down.""
[02:18] <BoondoKLife> Partial upgrades remind me of windoes ME. Stuck in limbo lol
[02:19] <BoondoKLife> But most people recomend you to just skip it
[02:19] <Some_Person> arand: Would that not assume that everybody is having the problem though?
[02:20] <yofel> Some_Person: only if we have the same packages installed that you have
[02:20] <Some_Person> Hmm, so what should I do right now? I could try to manually upgrade as many as I can without removing anything in synaptic
[02:20] <arand> Some_Person: possibly, but it can also be mirror-dependent, some packages have reached them, some haven't
[02:20] <LaserJock> just don't do anything
[02:21] <LaserJock> in terms of installing/upgrading packages
[02:21] <arand> Some_Person: The forum post kind of tells you all and more.
[02:26] <IdleOne> Some_Person: basically be patient and the repos you are using will be updated soon
[02:26] <IdleOne> or switch to the main server
[02:27] <Some_Person> Am I better off with the main server?
[02:28] <LaserJock> not right at this second :-)
[02:28] <LaserJock> some fixes need to be figured out and pushed
[02:29] <Some_Person> woah, when did google get a new logo?
[02:31] <marenostrum> Some_Person: What2s new with it?
[02:31] <Some_Person> strange, I see the old logo in epiphany, and the new one in firefox
[02:31] <Some_Person> http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/srpr/logo1w.png
[02:31] <marenostrum> Some_Person: FF here and it seems as it used to be.
[02:31] <Some_Person> There are other slight changes to google.com too
[02:32] <Some_Person> the links have no underlining
[02:32] <samtoucan> just because im lazy and dont have to scroll up, is there a bug filed for the blank screen with only mouse pointer showing?
[02:32] <Amaranth> samtoucan: it's a bug with plymouth and yes, it's reported
[02:32] <Amaranth> samtoucan: you have a blinking cursor in the corner and pressing a key on the board makes X crash and load correctly, right?
[02:33] <samtoucan> thats the one
[02:35] <Some_Person> new google.com: http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5323/screenshotgooglemozilla.png http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6465/screenshotubuntugoogles.png http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6465/screenshotubuntugoogles.png
[02:38] <marenostrum> Did anyone had a separate partition for home and opted for the home be encrypted during Karmic and upgraded to Lucid? Should I take some measures before installation?
[02:47] <anzenketh> is there a way to install mysql server without being prompted for anything.
[02:50] <Some_Person> Oh, and is it even worth mentioning that plymouth is broken for me?
[02:52] <arand> Some_Person: depends, is it different from the 50 already confirmed issues?
[02:53] <Some_Person> arand: apport says it isn't
[02:54] <espen77> anyone else lost their top and bottom bars after the lastest updates?
[02:54] <maxb> yes
[02:55] <espen77> maxb: any easy fix?
[02:55] <maxb> Edit /usr/share/applications/*.desktop and /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop - in any file where there's a key=value pair above the [Desktop Entry] header, move it to the end of the [Desktop Entry] section
[02:56] <espen77> maxb: thanx
[02:59] <marginoferror> I just updated all of my packages and now nautilus is segfaulting!  Anyone else experiencing that?
[03:02] <Aren> I am having serious issues trying to use Beta-1.  Every time I try to use the live CD (having given up on Live USB since that wasn't working for me), I get the same issue I had with the Live USB (though it happens markedly faster...must be USB 1.0 on this box).  Namely when I select the option to use the Live CD -or- install from the CD, the monitor instantly goes black on me, and any use of caps lock is markedly slow in responding (i.e.
[03:04] <pepee> yofel: found something: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229525
[03:04] <Aren> Is there a way to upgrade directly from a Heron install to the Lucid Beta-1?  Or will that give me the same fault?
[03:06] <marginoferror> Aren, there is a way to upgrade directly but
[03:06] <Some_Person> This may be a bit offtopic, but does anyone know how I can stop devede from producing video with out-of-sync audio, or does anyone know a good alternative to devede?
[03:06] <marginoferror> Whether or not it gives you that problem, it probably will break your system.  Currently people upgrading into Beta-1 are experiencing the same problem I am having, namely nautilus and gnome-panel not working.
[03:06] <marginoferror> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/525240
[03:07] <Aren> marginoferror: Translation> The Live CD I made is effectively a coaster?
[03:07] <kklimonda> marginoferror: your issue is bug 542343
[03:08] <Some_Person> I just upgraded from karmic to lucid and my natuilus and gnome-panel are working
[03:08] <marginoferror> Yes, I just discovered that.  Regrettably the twitter feed "ubuntustatus" linked to the wrong bug
[03:08] <marginoferror> That is why that incorrect bug is being flooded with comments
[03:14] <marginoferror> Hmm, I'm a little skeptical this is actually the right bug.  Commenter endemoniada75 is having the same problem I am having, but neither of our problems describe the original bug #542343.
[03:16] <Aren> bug #542343 sounds alot like what's happening to me.  The black screen and yet not unresponsive state of my laptop when I try to use the Live CD or install from it.
[03:17] <Aren> Should I just toss that particular CD away, since even if the bug is fixed, the media will have the bugged code on it?
[03:17] <marginoferror> Aren, I think it's very unlikely that is your bug
[03:17] <marginoferror> That bug should not be producing a black screen
[03:17] <Aren> marginoferror: What should the bug be creating then?
[03:18] <marginoferror> It should be showing a cursor and the wallpaper but no window dressings
[03:18] <Aren> marginoferror: And is there an active bug report covering the situation?
[03:18] <marginoferror> There is no bug report I'm aware of for the live CD, more likely it is at least a little specific to your CD.  Have you tried booting with ACPI off, etc?
[03:18] <marginoferror> You should be able to press...  Um, F6 or something?  During the boot menu and it'll show you a number of special options
[03:18] <marginoferror> For compatibility.  If you fiddle around with those you may solve your problem.
[03:19] <marginoferror> What kind of computer do you have anyway?
[03:19] <marginoferror> Some_Person, by "just" do you mean just today?  If that's the case for everyone than maybe the bugs are only for people who upgraded from Alpha-3 to Beta-1
[03:19] <Aren> It's a Toshiba Satellite A105-S2131 laptop, with the RAM maxed out.
[03:20] <marginoferror> Have you tried noacpi, etc as boot parameters yet?
[03:20] <Aren> marginoferror: I was unaware that boot parameters were even possible.
[03:21] <marginoferror> When you put the CD and boot, you first get to a menu that says try Ubuntu, install Ubuntu, test memory, etc, right?
[03:21] <Aren> marginoferror: Just putting the live CD in, waiting for it to ask if I want to use the disc or do an install, and then no matter what option I select, I go black-screen.
[03:21] <marginoferror> Right
[03:21] <marginoferror> Okay, when you get to that menu asking you that question
[03:21] <Aren> marginoferror: With a list of languages on the left of the window.
[03:21] <marginoferror> Look along the bottom of the screen and it should say something like F6 - boot options
[03:21] <marginoferror> (after you select a language)
[03:21] <marginoferror> Press F6, toggle however many of the boot options and press esc to get out of that menu, and enter to boot
[03:22] <wgrant> The menu may be hidden by default; try pressing a key when the purple low-res Ubuntu logo first appears.
[03:22] <Aren> marginoferror: I'll take your word on that one, I had to pop the Lucid CD out and pop in the Hardy one just to get back to being able to use the internet without putting in my Hardy-installed hard drive that I swapped out for safety's sake.
[03:22] <marginoferror> Keep doing that with different combinations of boot options until it works.
[03:22] <BoondoKLife> Aren: I had a similar issue, if none of the options under F6 do it for you, use the alternative cd. It is a old style interface, but I had to use it with a dell notebook to get lucid on it
[03:23] <marginoferror> I really think that will solve your problem.  The Live CD has trouble booting on all kinds of hardware without that coaxing
[03:23] <Some_Person> marginoferror: Yes, I mean today
[03:23] <Aren> BoondoKLife: Which means burning yet another CD...already used 2 on Lucid (the first was a failed burn). *sighs*
[03:23] <marginoferror> ?
[03:23] <marginoferror> Aren, you can't use the Lucid CD you already burned?
[03:24] <BoondoKLife> Aren: Sorry to hear that, try using RW, that is what I use for OS cd's
[03:24] <Some_Person> marginoferror: Perhaps it's related to my "partial upgrade" problem? It wants to remove nautilus
[03:24] <Aren> marginoferror: Not as it sits unless this 'find the boot options trick' works.
[03:24] <marginoferror> Some_Person: wants to remove it?  That's... strange?
[03:24] <marginoferror> Aren: Oh, I see.  I'm pretty confident it will work, though.
[03:24] <Aren> BoondoKLife: Got extra money on hand so I can go out and buy a pack?  The CD-Rs I have date back to last christmas and I've been hoarding them like crazy.
[03:25] <marginoferror> Unless you are getting a splash screen and kernel boot after that try/install menu, in which case the problem may be elsewhere
[03:25] <marginoferror> fwiw I really do recommend the USB install if that's an option at all =)
[03:25] <BoondoKLife> Aren: lol, I've been using the same RW Hardy
[03:25] <BoondoKLife> Aren: since Hardy that is
[03:25] <Aren> marginoferror: Tried that and failed over and over.  Though it might be the same issue, just happening at a far slower pace.
[03:26] <marginoferror> Likely.  Probably both the live CD and the USB stick will block if you don't have the right boot options.
[03:26] <Aren> BoondoKLife: You do not understand.  I do not have a CD-RW, and no money to go out and buy one, and no car to drive out to the local Best Buy even if I had the dosh right now.  Starting a new job on Monday, and I'm broke until I get the first paycheck.
[03:27] <Aren> marginoferror: I'll give it another try with the CD before I just give up for the night.
[03:27] <BoondoKLife> Aren: Don't Panic! Just try the different boot options, I'm just saying if that doesn't work then there is still hope
[03:27] <marginoferror> Good luck.  I really do think it'll work.
[03:28] <Aren> marginoferror: If not I'll do another live session in Hardy to ask for more assistance.  Are you sure it's F6?  And when do I start bashing away at it like a woodpecker to see if I get any options to work with?
[03:29] <marginoferror> Don't bash away at it.  Select a language and then it'll take you to the menu, and you can press the key at your leisure.  (Assuming the behavior hasn't changed recently -- if it has you may need to press a key at a splash key to get to the menu)
[03:29] <marginoferror> I am not sure it is F6.  However, there is a line at the bottom of the screen showing various F-keys and their functions.  One of them should be clearly labeled as boot options, even if it's not F6
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> its always F9 or F10 on my 4 machines :)
[03:30] <Aren> marginoferror: Lucid Beta-1 lets you click a button for trying the live CD or installing from the CD without having to select a language.
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> You would think the PC makers would have aggred to a standard by now
[03:30] <Aren> marginoferror: So I think the behavior is different.
[03:30] <marginoferror> Dr_Willis, I'm not talking about the key to boot from foreign media
[03:30] <BoondoKLife> marginoferror: F6 sounds right to me
[03:30] <BoondoKLife> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootParameters
[03:31] <marginoferror> Dr_Willis, I'm talking about the key that you press once you've already gotten to the CD's boot menu
[03:31] <Dr_Willis> I tink i just waited here on the cd.. and it eventyally went to the 'try it out or install' dialog
[03:31] <marginoferror> Aren, well, if you do get to a menu that lets you pick "try" or "install" you are at the right place
[03:31] <Dr_Willis> But ive not tried the beta install cd yet.
[03:31] <Aren> BoondoKLife: Your link looks like the Hardy Live CD...nothing like what I see with the Lucid Beta CD.
[03:31] <marginoferror> Press F6 or whatever and select all or any of the boot options and see if a certain combination of those gets it to work
[03:31] <Dr_Willis> I did have issues with the daily build cd last week. Taking a VERY long time to get to that first dialog
[03:32] <Some_Person> I used a daily build CD last sunday that worked nicely
[03:32] <BoondoKLife> Aren: Even the alpha cd looked similar, I have not looked at the beta one yet.
[03:32] <Aren> BoondoKLife: Might be an idea to look at it, because it looks nothing like the Hardy disc.
[03:33] <Some_Person> Strangely, even plymouth worked when booting that CD
[03:33] <marginoferror> Yes, plymouth worked on my USB install... and then not after installed to disk
[03:33] <wgrant> Aren: press a key during the initial low-res purple screen.
[03:33] <wgrant> That will display the menu.
[03:33] <wgrant> But you need to be quick -- you can't wait until it gets into Plymouth.
[03:33] <Aren> wgrant: The F6 that marginoferror is suggesting?
[03:34] <marginoferror> No
[03:34] <marginoferror> Any key
[03:34] <wgrant> Any key.
[03:34] <marginoferror> The F6 is only after you get to the menu
[03:34] <wgrant> That will display the old-style menu.
[03:34] <Aren> At the risk of replaying a VERY old joke....which key is the Any key? *laughs*
[03:34] <marginoferror> wgrant is giving you instructions on how to get to the menu in the first place, if it doesn't behave like I'm used to it behaving
[03:34] <Aren> marginoferror: *nods*
[03:37] <Aren> As soon as this process is complete (doing a fresh reinstall of hardy on this small drive, so if Lucid fails again without installing I won't need to swap CDs to get bootable again), I'll reboot and see if I can get Lucid online here.
[03:37] <Aren> Is there anything else I should know?
[03:38] <marginoferror> I can't think of anything.  I think the boot options are the only thing you can reasonably try at this point.
[03:38] <Aren> marginoferror: Which options should I be looking for, precisely?
[03:38] <Aren> marginoferror: Or just randomly alter things until it runs?
[03:39] <marginoferror> It's probably either or both of
[03:39] <marginoferror> noapic and acpi=off
[03:39] <marginoferror> Both of those should be in the nice menu that pops up
[03:39] <marginoferror> Select both of those, press esc to get out of the menu and press enter
[03:39] <marginoferror> If it boots, maybe reboot and pick just one of those and see if you can identify which one
[03:40] <marginoferror> If neither of those work, maybe try the others
[03:40] <Aren> So just a general "disable acpi" deal?
[03:40] <marginoferror> apic is separate from that (not sure how), but that's part o fit
[03:41] <marginoferror> I have to go.  Good luck.
[03:41] <Aren> Thank you
[03:41] <marginoferror> yw
[03:41]  * Aren is about ready to reboot...again.
[03:45] <thedoor> hiiiii :)
[03:45] <thedoor> anyone having problems with the last updates? :P
[03:45] <psusi> what sort of problems?
[03:46] <Some_Person> thedoor: My system wants to do a "partial upgrade" and remove stuff that shouldn't be removed
[03:47] <thedoor> i can't access gnome anymore Oo
[03:47] <thedoor> im talking on enlightment right nowOo
[03:48] <AngryParsley> so I used the alternate CD to install 10.04. I did an aptitude install ubuntu-netbook-default-settings, but that didn't get the correct dependencies so my gnome settings were all borked
[03:48] <AngryParsley> but then I remember alt + f2 and got a terminal
[03:48] <AngryParsley> *remembered
[03:48] <AngryParsley> so I installed ubuntu-netbook as well
[03:49] <AngryParsley> anyway, that dependency should probably get added
[03:50] <Jorge> Any ideas on the timeline to the fix to this massive problem?
[03:51] <psusi> joaopinto, what problem would that be?
[03:52] <Jorge> Booting to a background only.  No icons no menu bars
[03:52] <AngryParsley> Jorge: do you get a run menu if you hit alt + f2?
[03:52] <psusi> what background?
[03:52] <wgrant> You may need Alt+T, since the panel manages Alt+F2.
[03:53] <wgrant> Some packages with .desktop files built since the beta release are broken, meanining that nautilus and gnome-panel fail to start automatically.
[03:53] <wgrant> And other applications will not start at all.
[03:53] <Jorge> AngryParsley, no window or text box on pressing alt F2
[03:54] <wgrant> Jorge: Try Alt+T instead.
[03:54] <Jorge> Ok, get to terminal the what?
[03:54] <wgrant> gnome-panel&
[03:54] <psusi> Jorge, you don't have a fake raid do you?
[03:55] <Jorge> psusi, no
[03:55] <git__> is ubuntu+1 as in Ubuntu One?
[03:55] <Jorge> None of my machines do.  It is not just one
[03:55] <psusi> as in the next release of ubuntu git
[03:55] <wgrant> git__: That's #ubuntuone. This is for the next release of Ubuntu.
[03:58] <thedoor> more testerswith problems https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdbs/+bug/542343
[03:58] <Jorge> So, I assume that beta is still broken?
[03:58] <psusi> works for me
[03:59] <psusi> once I boot with nodmraid
[03:59] <LADmaticCA> anyone having mouse problems? like not being able to click?
[03:59] <wgrant> thedoor: Yes -- the bug is well known by the development team, and has been announced through http://identi.ca/ubuntustatus, albeit with the wrong bug number.
[04:00] <wgrant> Jorge: Beta 1 itself is not broken.
[04:00] <thedoor> wekk, we assume this risk when we installed a beta version :)
[04:00] <wgrant> Just those upgrading now.
[04:00] <Some_Person> So since things are actually working for me right now, I probably shouldn't upgrade anything?
[04:00] <wgrant> Some_Person: exactly.
[04:00] <wgrant> If you install Beta 1 and then hold of upgrading for a day or two, everything should be fine.
[04:01] <psusi> I haven't upgraded my existing install tonight since something seems broken and wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, but I tried the beta 1 livecd
[04:01] <Some_Person> Well, I upgraded a few hours ago from karmic to lucid using the repos
[04:01] <wgrant> I recommend that you subscribe to the identi.ca or Twitter ubuntustatus feed for alerts like this.
[04:01] <Some_Person> seems I barely missed the bug
[04:01] <wgrant> Some_Person: Depending on timing you may be safe. If you've rebooted since the last upgrade, you're fine.
[04:01] <thedoor> Some_Person, wait the things get fixed :P
[04:01] <thedoor> im a update addicted and im trouble now :(
[04:02] <Some_Person> I haven't upgraded anything since the upgrade to lucid, except light-themes (but that was from my own PPA)
[04:02] <Jorge> Wow KDE as a rescue.....
[04:03] <bjsnider> Some_Person, what did you do, put the buttons on the right side and put that in a ppa?
[04:03] <Some_Person> I have a broken plymouth and lightsoff, but everything else so far seems to work
[04:03] <Some_Person> bjsnider: Yup!
[04:03] <bjsnider> lol
[04:03] <thedoor> importance:low ? wtf? Oo
[04:03] <bjsnider> whatever dude
[04:03] <Some_Person> bjsnider: What's so funny about that?
[04:04] <wgrant> thedoor: The link there is incorrect. The correct bug is bug #542343
[04:04] <Some_Person> bjsnider: I also fixed their order (minimize, maxmize, close)
[04:04] <thedoor> wgrant, tks :)
[04:05] <Jorge> So, problem fixed yet?
[04:05] <bjsnider> you fixed something that isn't broken. it's a solution in search of a problem
[04:05] <thedoor> importance:critical fuckyeah!
[04:05] <Some_Person> bjsnider: I tried to live with the default order, but kept hitting the damn maxmize instead of close (I have Mac OS X experience)
[04:06] <wgrant> thedoor: Language, please.
[04:06] <wgrant> bjsnider: From the other POV, DX fixed something that wasn't broken. it was a solution in search of a problem.
[04:06] <Jorge> Wow, I'm surprised they would let a Beta out like this....gives one pause.
[04:06] <wgrant> Jorge: Which problem?
[04:06] <Some_Person> bjsnider: I found it was easier to fix their order on the right than the left, so I did that
[04:07] <wgrant> The bug with the panel not starting appeared some hours after Beta 1 -- it's not in it.
[04:07] <thedoor> wgrant, sorry :(
[04:07] <bjsnider> wgrant, the reasoning behind the buttons makes sense to me
[04:07] <Jorge> wgrant, the one that boots me to a blank desktop with no icons or menu bars
[04:07] <thedoor> the bug comes with an update of beta1 the beta1 image is ok if u don1t update it at this time oo
[04:08] <Some_Person> bjsnider: Moving them to the left isn't the problem. I just hate the order that they're in
[04:08] <wgrant> Jorge: That is not a bug in the beta.
[04:08] <wgrant> Jorge: It is a bug caused by upgrading *after* the beta.
[04:08] <Jorge> wgrant, a bug is a bug
[04:08] <wgrant> Once all the packages were released after being held for the freeze.
[04:08] <Some_Person> maybe someone should add "DO NOT UPGRADE" to the topic in here
[04:08] <wgrant> Jorge: But you said "Wow, I'm surprised they would let a Beta out like this....gives one pause."
[04:08] <thedoor> Jorge, when we use a beta version we assume the risk of get something broken :P
[04:08] <wgrant> They didn't.
[04:08] <wgrant> The beta itself is fine.
[04:09] <Jorge> Ok, so I am beat.
[04:09] <thedoor> there are any developer working nopw? :P
[04:09] <Jorge> No problem
[04:10] <bjsnider> this "beta" used to be called "alpha 4" in all previous releases
[04:10] <Jorge> I will switch distros...have fun!
[04:10] <wgrant> Switching distros because an in-development distro broke for a few hours?
[04:10] <wgrant> That seems irrational.
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticed a few similer issues Jorge  - but they got fixed the next batch of updates
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> but You are the one that installed a beta... so...
[04:11] <Some_Person> This problem will almost certainly get fixed soon
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> right now for some odd reason kubuntu dosent start up plasdma-desktop or plasma-netbook
[04:11] <Jorge> Ok,  but even stable was flaky....time to move on.
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> i got to stat them by hand
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> Jorge:  then leave.. have fun
[04:11] <wgrant> Dr_Willis: This is probably the same problem that is plaguing many desktop applications.
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> We dont really feel the need to convince people to use this or that.
[04:12] <Jorge> Wow, Dr_Willis thanks for the sales job.....
[04:12] <wgrant> CDBS is currently producing broken .desktop files for main packages.
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> Jorge:  if you want marketing to to apple.
[04:12] <neoteny> lol
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> wgrant:  hmm. that may be part of the issue.
[04:12] <espen77> it takes 15 minuttes to fix it, i had to edit {evolution*,evince,gnome-panel,palimpsest,ubuntu-about}.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ and {evolution-alarm-notify,gdu-notification-daemon,indicator-applet}.desktop in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[04:12] <Jorge> Holy cow
[04:12] <Jorge> Ok
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticed some qwuirks when using Ubuntu+Kubuntu on same machine also.
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu netbook started up Nautilus :) and so forth
[04:13]  * psusi guesses he will give up rather than wait until tomorrow to update, when it's fixed
[04:13] <Jorge> Have Dr_Willis sell for you....
[04:14] <neoteny> Dr_Willis has helped me many times over the years
[04:14] <Dr_Willis> Jorge:  you apraantly miss the idea that we are not here to 'force' people to use ubuntu.  Use it or not, it dosent matter to us
[04:14] <Dr_Willis> You said you wanted to move on.. then go ahead.
[04:15] <Jorge> Ok, solld me...Carry on.
[04:15] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, i dunno about you, but if i'm in here to sell, something, i wants to be paid for it
[04:15] <Some_Person> Dr_Willis: I've noticed similar quirks using multiple DEs on 1 system. Example: using bluetooth in xubuntu starts nautilus
[04:15] <Jorge> Holy cow, animosity...carry on.
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> Some_Person:  yep. The default 'app' for directories can get set to be nautilus when it should be pcmanfm, or  dolphin
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> they are all using the same 'settings' when in fact they need their own defaults
[04:16]  * psusi goes back to experimenting with the new gnome-shell that will be used in gnome3 apparently
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu makes it easy to set what program opens 'dirctories' gnome makes it much harder
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> Im finding KDE4 more and more Useable :) as time goes on. Its decently done now, compared to when it first came out
[04:17]  * psusi hates qt so has never used kde
[04:17]  * Dr_Willis sends Jorge the bill.
[04:17] <Some_Person> ugh! stupid dput! "Uploading supertux_0.3.3-SVN~r6616.tar.gz: 74781k/74782k" and it seems to be doing nothing
[04:17] <neoteny> kde's too much for me.  i feel like i'm on crack when i use it.  or always on the verge of an epileptic fit
[04:18] <bjsnider> Some_Person, there was a problem earlier today with the ftp server
[04:18] <Some_Person> bjsnider: with launchpad's server?
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> i dont go overboard with all the kde widgits.. :)
[04:18] <syddraf> I'm installing Lucid on a 1TB HD alongside Windows Vista (whole drive formerly NTFS), and it's been stuck at 0% 'Resizing partition" for well over twenty minutes. Is this normal?
[04:18] <wgrant> Some_Person: That tends to be a routing problem.
[04:18] <bjsnider> Some_Person, yes
[04:18] <wgrant> PPA uploads are currently working fine.
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> syddraf:  it can take time to resize.. but that seems extreme.
[04:18] <wgrant> Some_Person: Your router may be broken, or there may be a bad MTU setting somewhere.
[04:18] <wgrant> FTP sucks.
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> syddraf:  windows DOES have features to repartion/resize ntfs - that i have found MUCH faster
[04:19] <Some_Person> wgrant: This has happened to me before on karmic, and I can't remember how I fixed it
[04:19] <syddraf> Dr_Willis: is it too late to stop the partitioner and use the windows partitioner?
[04:19] <Some_Person> I don't think it's my router. I haven't touched any of its settings in ages
[04:19] <neoteny> i think i'm addicted to vimperator
[04:19] <Aren> More Lucid install attempts failed utterly on my machine. :(
[04:19] <psusi> syddraf, no... after 20 minutes it should have shown some progress
[04:20] <thedoor> psusi, are you instaling it in english
[04:20] <psusi> thebwt, huh?
[04:20] <Aren> Any other ideas other than mucking about with boot options before I just take the disc and fling it at a brick wall in an attempt to rid myself of some frustration?
[04:20] <psusi> thedoor, huh even?
[04:20] <thedoor> psusi, in portuguese the installer didn't work for me (:
[04:20] <Some_Person> wgrant: So what should I do about this, and will I have to start uploading from the beginning again?
[04:21] <syddraf> Is there a command to cancel the partitioner since there isn't a cancel button or just a hard shutdown?
[04:21] <wgrant> Some_Person: I'm afraid so.
[04:21] <wgrant> When did SuperTux get so huge?
[04:21] <psusi> syddraf, nope
[04:21] <Some_Person> wgrant: It was smaller before?
[04:21] <bjsnider> maybe he's got the .svn or .git history int he tarball
[04:22] <Some_Person> No, I did 'svn export'
[04:22] <Aren> wgrant: I don't suppose you have any other ideas since that other bloke went offline?
[04:22] <ddecator> anyone else having trouble with recent updates? (nautilus and gnome-panel won't start because the system can't read a .desktop file properly from the sounds of it...)
[04:23] <bjsnider> Aren, maybe you've got a bad disc
[04:23] <ddecator> found it
[04:23] <Aren> bjsnider: It passes the CD check...
[04:23] <Dr_Willis> syddraf:  hard to tell..   It maybe crashed/stuck
[04:23] <bjsnider> Aren, but the image you downloaded could have been borked
[04:24] <Some_Person> wgrant: So should I do something to fix this or just try uploading again on this slow frickin' connection?
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> syddraf:  or if its in  progress.. it may cause datalopss by stoppingit
[04:24] <wgrant> Some_Person: I tend to build the orig.tar.gz on a fast host elsewhere and upload from there.
[04:24] <Some_Person> wgrant: orig.tar.gz?
[04:24] <Aren> bjsnider: So fling the CD and try again with Beta-2 when it is released?  Or is there a way to upgrade from Hardy Heron up to Lucid Beta 1?
[04:25] <wgrant> Some_Person: tar.gz, in your case.
[04:25] <bjsnider> Aren, i mean download and burn it again
[04:25] <Some_Person> wgrant: Well, this is all I have
[04:25] <wgrant> Aren: You will be able to upgrade directly from Ubuntu 8.04 LTS to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but I would not recommend trying that on a critical system before the final release irons out all of the flaws.
[04:26] <wgrant> Some_Person: Try uploading smaller stuff, perhaps. Maybe reboot your router, check its MTU if you need strange settings, that sort of thing.
[04:26] <wgrant> Other PPA uploads are still being processed fine, so it's a problem somewhere on your end.
[04:26] <Aren> wgrant: What is the method to perform such an upgrade?  This hard drive is specifically for betatesting.  I have a larger one with a fully patched 8.04 LTS install on it that I can swap in in case everything goes to custard.
[04:26] <Some_Person> I uploaded something just yesterday without issues and haven't touched my router settings
[04:27] <wgrant> Aren: Try following the normal Lucid upgrade instructions.
[04:28] <wgrant> They might immediately work for Hardy, but they may need a little tweaking to find the multi-step upgrade.
[04:28] <richthegeek> got a major problem guys
[04:28] <Some_Person> richthegeek: gnome-panel and nautilus broken?
[04:28] <Aren> wgrant: I already tried downloading the live CD and doing a fresh install.  Which fails.  So that's why I'm asking what the Lucid upgrade instructions are.  Or where to find them.
[04:28] <richthegeek> yes, how did you know?
[04:28] <Some_Person> richthegeek: because it's known
[04:29] <richthegeek> right, thought it was cos I changed the icon set
[04:29] <Aren> wgrant: Can you point me in the right direction?
[04:29] <richthegeek> that's what triggered it
[04:29] <bjsnider> richthegeek, he's psychic
[04:29] <richthegeek> Some_Person, bjsnider: any solution available?
[04:29] <wgrant> Aren: What fails about it?
[04:29] <wgrant> richthegeek: To make the current session work, hit Alt+T, and run gnome-panel&
[04:29] <wgrant> richthegeek: But you'll need to do that every time you log in until this is fixed (soon, hopefully)
[04:29] <richthegeek> right ok
[04:30] <Some_Person> richthegeek: it's caused by borked .desktop files in some update today
[04:30] <richthegeek> sweet mother of god this looks sexy....
[04:30] <bjsnider> wgrant, how long do these miserable freezes last?
[04:30] <richthegeek> ls
[04:30] <richthegeek> oops wrong window
[04:30] <wgrant> bjsnider: The freeze is over. That's why all the updates came through and broke everything.
[04:30] <bjsnider> i see
[04:31] <wgrant> But pre-release milestone freezes normally last for a few days.
[04:31] <wgrant> Soon they'll get longer.
[04:31] <bjsnider> they're a waste of precious time
[04:31] <wgrant> They're not.
[04:32] <Aren> wgrant: I try to boot the Live CD, it goes black screen after selecting either the boot or install options.  I asked for help, and following the altered directions, to muck about in the boot options (which I unlocked by spamming Escape, then F6 when I got the normal menu system.  Tried enabling noacpi, no difference.  Tried the second option, it let it boot, but doing anything caused the whole thing to lock up.  Tried both noacpi and t
[04:32] <wgrant> They're critical for stabilisation of milestones.
[04:32] <thedoor> how much time will take to this bug get fixed? :(
[04:32] <wgrant> Otherwise this breakage would have landed during the beta preparations, and delayed them even more.
[04:32] <wgrant> Aren: An upgrade will likely die in the same way, I'm afraid. NVIDIA graphics card?
[04:33] <Aren> wgrant: Motherboard ATI.  It's a laptop.
[04:33] <Some_Person> Aren: eek, ati has big problems right now from what i've heard
[04:33] <wgrant> Aren: Hmm. Try adding 'radeon.modeset=0' as an option.
[04:33] <wgrant> Some_Person: Not really, no.
[04:34] <Aren> Some_Person: Hardy runs fine on here.
[04:34] <Aren> wgrant: How?
[04:34] <Aren> wgrant: The boot options I've seen are just toggle switches, there's no place to enter custom parameters...
[04:34] <Some_Person> wgrant: I heard that the current ATI drivers are incompatible with the current Xorg version. Is that not true?
[04:34] <wgrant> Aren: Hm, I'm not sure. There is a way, though.
[04:35] <wgrant> Some_Person: fglrx, the proprietary ATI driver, is.
[04:35] <wgrant> Although it's about to be fixed.
[04:35] <wgrant> But that doesn't affect the default installation, which has open source 3D acceleration
[04:35] <Some_Person> Ah, so it doesn't affect the free driver. nevermind then
[04:35] <wgrant> And does not include fglrx.
[04:36] <Some_Person> This is strange. When I installed to the SD card before, the free b43 driver did not work every time I tried, but it's working here when I upgraded from karmic
[04:36] <AngryParsley> in UNE is there a shortcut to show the start menu thingy?
[04:37] <AngryParsley> home screen. whatever it's called
[04:37] <Aren> wgrant: So what do you suggest I do, up to and including just going to bed?
[04:37] <AngryParsley> alt + f1 just shows the regular style menu wherever the mouse cursor is
[04:37] <Some_Person> Either the problem was fixed today, or something else is at play here
[04:40] <thedoor> bye guys :)
[04:40] <richthegeek> ls
[04:41] <richthegeek> arg again.... getting embaressing
[04:45] <BoondoKLife> cd
[04:46] <Aren> BoondoKLife: I'm back and still Lucid-less :(
[04:46] <BoondoKLife> Aren: sorry to hear it
[04:47] <BoondoKLife> Aren: As we have been sitting here talking about not doing the partial upgrade. my wife just did it to her box lol
[04:47] <Aren> BoondoKLife: I think I'm going to give up on it.  Going on 1am here and I can't think of anything else to do other than creative CD-destruction.
[04:47] <BoondoKLife> Aren: I hear ya. That alternative cd thing is going to be what you need. I had the same issue with my dell laptop.
[04:48] <Aren> BoondoKLife: Can you shoot me a link to it so I can tell the laptop to start downloading it?
[04:48] <BoondoKLife> Aren: Prolly plymouth or some new fandangled thing doing you in. sure gimme a sec
[04:49] <BoondoKLife> !daily
[04:49] <Aren> BoondoKLife: Nevermind, GNOME is apparently broken...and that's what I use.
[04:49] <BoondoKLife> do the first one
[04:49] <BoondoKLife> yea i just seen what everyone is yellin about, my wife did that partial upgrade and it borked her desktop stuff
[04:50] <Aren> BoondoKLife: Not worth burning another CD unless I'm fairly sure it won't be so completely buggered that I can't even see what Lucid is going to be like.
[04:50] <BoondoKLife> not a major issue so I think it will be fixed quickly
[04:50] <Aren> bug #542343
[04:50] <BoondoKLife> yea and nautilus is segfaulting because of the same issue
[04:51] <Aren> Got to love beta testing.
[04:51] <BoondoKLife> the daily build that is up there is from the 17th so it should not have the current issue
[04:52] <BoondoKLife> just dont do the partial update, or maybe avoid updating till this issue is fixed
[04:52] <Aren> I can't even get to the point of doing an upgrade unless it's in Hardy.
[04:52] <Aren> I should just grab Karmic, which uses the same ext4 file system.
[04:53] <Some_Person> Did all the people having this issue do the "partial upgrade" thing?
[04:53] <Aren> Or is it even worth it?
[04:53] <BoondoKLife> You could, but if you are going to start fresh anyways then why not just wait. this is a major issue that will be fixed quickly IMHO
[04:53] <misterB> Anyone else having problems with(/success fixing) screen output freezes? Sometimes I get past the login screen, and sometimes the login screen doesn't even load correctly.
[04:53] <BoondoKLife> Some_Person: I'm not sure about everyone else but my wife just did it and BAM
[04:54] <Aren> BoondoKLife: One thing Microsoft teaches you, always do an OS fresh if you can.  External drives are your friend. :P
[04:54] <BoondoKLife> Aren: Cheers to that!
[04:54]  * BoondoKLife raises his Red Stripe bottle
[04:55] <Some_Person> BoondoKLife: I'm glad I asked in here if I should do it first. I did not
[04:56]  * Aren raises a cup of Earl Green tea....drinks it in one quaff....then gets up to head to bed.
[04:56] <Aren> Good night.
[04:57] <BoondoKLife> Aren: nite
[04:57] <BoondoKLife> Aren: dont let plymouth bite!
[04:57] <Some_Person> does plymouth actually work for anyone?
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. upgrading here . and having an RPM failure :) thats amuseing
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> 'configuring rpm - RPM failed to Open Database - cleaning it up.....'
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> update looks like it hung.
[04:59] <Some_Person> Why do you have rpm installed?
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> No idea.
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> This is a somewhat new install im upgradeing also.. so ive not done a lot to it
[05:00] <AngryParsley> gnome-panel doesn't seem to be starting
[05:00] <Again> I want to use dd on my root partition so that I can test the upgrade without breaking my current system.  And I have a question.  Do I have to boot from a live disc before running the dd command?
[05:00] <Some_Person> You know what, when I upgraded from karmic to lucid, I also got a prompt about rpm not doing something
[05:00] <AngryParsley> oh
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> Looks like update manager crashed with 2 min to go.
[05:00] <AngryParsley> bug 542343
[05:00] <Some_Person> So I apparently have it too
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> its at '2 min remaining' i guess i will wait a few min. and see if it works
[05:02] <magn3ts> Anyone running the Lucid beta in VirtualBox?
[05:02] <misterB> magn3ts: I've done it in qemu
[05:03] <magn3ts> hm, it won't boot. The CD booted, installed but it won't boot now.
[05:03] <misterB> can't remember if I actually installed it or not...
[05:04] <misterB> although, I do remember installing it on a real machine and not going to the graphical interface by default
[05:04] <magn3ts> It actually just wrecks the VM, I can't even reset/shutdown it properly
[05:05] <misterB> what happens if you try [ctrl]+[alt]+[F7]?
[05:05] <holstein> hey, i was just coming in to ask about bug 542343
[05:05] <misterB> after it's booted
[05:05] <magn3ts> misterB, no not X is failing to stary, it never boots. no grub, no kernel loading, nothing
[05:05] <magn3ts> well maybe the very beginning of kernel loading, no upstart, no splash, no output
[05:06] <misterB> oh.
[05:07] <misterB> sorry. didn't have that problem. Gonna check to see if I actually installed it in qemu
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> aha - the update seemed to hang because a dialog to 'replace...' was some how below it.
[05:09] <misterB> magn3ts: sorry. looks like I never installed it. I was just using the livecd
[05:10] <misterB> magn3ts: guess I'm can't be much help. I am going to try it in qemu tho and see what happens.
[05:12] <AngryParsley> isn't there supposed to be a package for tor in apt?
[05:13] <AngryParsley> I see torbutton, vidalia, and different proxies, but no tor
[05:13] <wgrant> AngryParsley: It was requested that it be removed, since it was not being kept sufficiently up-to-date.
[05:13] <AngryParsley> oh
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> tor iteslef hasent been in the repos in a long time :)
[05:13] <wgrant> And for something like Tor, updatedness is critical.
[05:13] <AngryParsley> so I have to grab a deb from the tor website?
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> at least  the last 2+ releases
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> theres a tor wiki page i think forubuntu
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> I found tor - less then reliable. :)
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> and in some caes it can be less secure.
[05:14] <AngryParsley> less secure than… what?
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> The last node (i recall) of tor - can watch what you are doing
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> so thats less secure then not using tor at all..
[05:15] <AngryParsley> that's why the messages are sent to different exit nodes
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> I think thats the core of the argument.
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> i found the speed decreese also very  annoying
[05:15] <AngryParsley> sometimes your exit node is in germany. sometimes it's in another country
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> and all it takes is one node.. spying to get some good info on you. So its a debate ive seen befor.
[05:16]  * Some_Person tried tor one and found it slow
[05:16] <Some_Person> s/one/once
[05:16] <AngryParsley> yes, exit nodes can sniff unencrypted traffic, but tor is for anonymization
[05:16] <AngryParsley> not secure browsing or something
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> In short dont trust tor for your banking sites or other imporntant stuff
[05:17] <AngryParsley> banking sites should be using https
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> tor + torrents  also not a good idea. :) unless you just use it to find the torrents..
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> I did see/try out some Free VPN service the other day . that worked decnetly well
[05:18] <AngryParsley> I hardly ever use tor. basically I only use it if I'm visiting sketchy sites like 4chan
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Upgrade almost done.... will be rebooting soon
[05:18] <AngryParsley> if I want security, I run openvpn on an ec2 node
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> BRB - time to reboots.
[05:31] <Hellow> Could someone test and confirm that the patch listed in comment #12 of bug #542343 works correctly?
[05:31] <Hellow> I only tested it locally, so I can't confirm on other machines.
[05:35] <BoondoKLife> Hellow: Gimme a sec I will
[05:35] <Hellow> BoondoKLife: Thank you.
[05:37] <tenoch1> I upgraded from karmic and my applications are gone. The only thing i see is my desktop. However everything works from terminal. anyone with same problems?
[05:38] <BoondoKLife> Hellow: Yup
[05:38] <Hellow> BoondoKLife: Yay!
[05:38] <marginoferror> tenoch1, by "your desktop" do you mean just your wallpaper or do you mean icons too?
[05:38] <Hellow> tenoch1: You may be experiencing bug #542343
[05:38] <marginoferror> ^--- agreed
[05:38] <BoondoKLife> Hellow: The same issue is causing nautilus to crash with a seg fault too
[05:38] <marginoferror> Here's the workaround for gnome-panel http://is.gd/aPHAc
[05:38] <tenoch1> marginoferror: I only see the wallpaper no icons or panels
[05:39] <marginoferror> And the nautilus workaround is exactly the same only replace gnome-panel with nautilus
[05:39] <marginoferror> Yep, that's the same thing I had a couple hours ago
[05:39] <marginoferror> I just implemented the workaround
[05:39] <marginoferror> And it works fine
[05:39] <BoondoKLife> marginoferror: Are those the only two affected?
[05:39] <marginoferror> Those are the only two I have noticed being affected but it's completely possible there is more
[05:40] <marginoferror> I just implemented the workaround about ten minutes ago.
[05:40] <marginoferror> For gnome-panel and nautilus
[05:40] <Hellow> marginoferror: The same problem affects both nautilus.desktop and gnome-panel.desktop?
[05:40] <marginoferror> Yes, exactly the same problem with exactly the same fix
[05:40] <Hellow> Hmm
[05:40] <tenoch1> yeah i read the bug and yes compiz works
[05:40] <tenoch1> i do not know how to check nautilus
[05:40] <Blue11> i have some weird error:  There is a problem with the configuration server. (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256)
[05:41] <marginoferror> Possibly every file in that folder is affected, but I do not know the details
[05:41] <Hellow> I highly doubt that.
[05:41] <marginoferror> tenoch1, if you run in a terminal nautilus --display :0 it will probably (certainly?) segfault
[05:41] <AngryParsley> I can't seem to launch nautilus or gnome-panel
[05:41] <Blue11> nor i
[05:41] <marginoferror> AngryParsley, Blue11, check
[05:41] <Blue11> AngryParsley: this the error that I get
[05:41] <marginoferror> #542343
[05:41] <marginoferror> err, bug #542343
[05:41] <Hellow> Two confirmed issues.
[05:42] <marginoferror> And this link: http://is.gd/aPHAc
[05:42] <marginoferror> Implement that for gnome-panel and then replace gnome-panel for nautilus and do it again
[05:42] <Hellow> I think a separate bug should be filed for the nautilus issue, unless it's a widespread problem.
[05:42] <marginoferror> That will get you into a working desktop.  I dunno if there are more lurking bugs
[05:42] <tenoch1> marginoferror: it says is not installed
[05:42] <Hellow> tenoch1: ...that's a different issue, I think.
[05:42] <marginoferror> tenoch1, can you elaborate?  What is not installed, nano?
[05:43] <marginoferror> OH
[05:43] <Hellow> ^ What he said.
[05:43] <marginoferror> Sorry
[05:43] <AngryParsley> oh, a corrupt config file was pushed
[05:43] <marginoferror> It says "vim" in that link I gave you, right?
[05:43] <marginoferror> Replace that with nano
[05:43] <Hellow> AngryParsley: A corrupt config file or three.
[05:43] <marginoferror> ... although vim should be installed too, I think?
[05:43] <tenoch1> marginoferror: ernesto@ernesto-laptop:~$ terminal nautilus --display
[05:43] <tenoch1> The program 'terminal' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[05:43] <wgrant> The nautilus and gnome-panel issues are the same thing.
[05:43] <wgrant> We are working on a fix right now.
[05:43] <Hellow> tenoch1: Remove "terminal" from that.
[05:43] <marginoferror> tenoch1, oh, I see.  I meant IN a terminal, run "nautilus --display :0".  terminal should not be part of the command.  Just take terminal out and add :0 to the end
[05:44] <marginoferror> But it won't work - you need to do the workaround I linked to
[05:44] <Hellow> wgrant: I posted a patch for the gnome-panel.desktop fix in bug #542343 , if that will help you any.
[05:44] <AngryParsley> I had to edit /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop as well
[05:44] <wgrant> The main breakage should be fixed on the primary mirror in around twohours.
[05:44] <AngryParsley> it had the same stupid thing at the top of the config
[05:44] <tenoch1> marginoferror: (nautilus:2434): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Could not load desktop file '/usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop': Key file does not start with a group
[05:44] <tenoch1> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[05:44] <marginoferror> Hellow, AngryParsley, my understanding is it's not a corrupt config file but instead a program that added a line in the wrong place to ALL .desktop config files
[05:44] <marginoferror> Part of the common build system
[05:44] <wgrant> tenoch1: Open /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop and delete the X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain line from the top.
[05:44] <Hellow> marginoferror: That's more than a slight problem, then.
[05:45] <marginoferror> wgrant, thanks for your efforts =)
[05:45] <AngryParsley> oh
[05:45] <wgrant> marginoferror: Not all, but enough to break everything.
[05:45] <wgrant> That package is fixed.
[05:45] <wgrant> We're currently waiting for it to be published, so we can rebuild the stuff that it broke.
[05:45] <marginoferror> tenoch1, that's definitely the problem we're talking about.  Take wgrant's advice, and also do the same for the gnome-panel file in the same folder.
[05:45] <wgrant> I currently have a script running working out the full list of what needs to be rebuilt.
[05:46] <marginoferror> Sounds like quite a task.  I guess it only hit people who upgraded, not people who installed from the ISO?
[05:46] <tenoch1> marginoferror: guys how do i open, i am not very good at linux yet
[05:46] <marginoferror> tenoch1, here:
[05:47] <wgrant> marginoferror: The ISO is fine. But anybody who has upgraded in the last 8 hours (whether after installing Beta 1 fresh or not) will see this breakage.
[05:47] <marginoferror> Run "sudo nano /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop"
[05:47] <marginoferror> Type in your password at the prompt
[05:47] <marginoferror> Press "control-K" to delete the first line.  Then press "control-O" to write the file and "control-X" to exit
[05:47] <naraku> thankfully i use kde4
[05:47] <marginoferror> Then do exactly the same thing only the command is "sudo nano /usr/share/applications/gnome-panel.desktop"
[05:48] <Blue11> thanks that fixed it
[05:48] <Blue11> sorta
[05:48] <Blue11> I just have no buttons
[05:48] <marginoferror> naraku, that is a good workaround except for the unfortunate side-effect that when you login you end up in kde
[05:48] <marginoferror> Blue11, that shouldn't happen.  No buttons where, on your panel?
[05:48] <marginoferror> The panel appears but the buttons don't?
[05:48] <naraku> i want to end up in kde
[05:49] <Blue11> marginoferror: correct
[05:49] <Blue11> marginoferror: I am going to try gconftool brb
[05:49] <marginoferror> Blue11, how strange.  Good luck.
[05:49] <Blue11> marginoferror: and all the desktop icons are also missing
[05:50] <Hellow> marginoferror: That's nautilus also not starting.
[05:50] <Hellow> Err, Blue11.
[05:50] <magn3ts> Good to see that the menu entries are twice the height they need to be and the preferences menu is completely off my screen in Lucid. :) Just as it has in all past versions :D
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. upgrade failed :) grub aint booting. 'error symbol : grub_puts_  not found'
[05:51] <tenoch1> marginoferror: i did what you told me Do i restart the computer?
[05:51] <marginoferror> Blue11, yeah, if your desktop icons are missing, that is because you only applied the workaround to gnome-panel.desktop and not nautilus.desktop
[05:51] <marginoferror> tenoch1, you don't have to restart the computer.  Just type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> actually 'sudo service gdm restart' is  a better way to do that.
[05:52] <marginoferror> Dr_Willis, thanks for that.  I didn't know.
[05:52] <BoondoKLife> looks like all of these are like that:  ubuntu-about, rhythmbox, palimpsest, network-scheme, nautilus-home, nautilus-folder-handler, nautilus-file-management-properties, nautilus-computer, nautilus-browser, nautilus- autorun-software, nautilus-archive, gedit, evolution,evolution-2.2
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> with Upstart - use the service command. forget about init.d :)
[05:52] <Blue11> yeah no desktop icons and the gconftool didn't work either...
[05:53] <marginoferror> Blue11, did you apply the fix to nautilus-desktop?  "sudo nano /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop"
[05:53] <Blue11> marginoferror: yes
[05:53] <wgrant> If everyone just waits a couple of hours and upgrades, the big breakage will be fixed.
[05:53] <marginoferror> Blue11, what happens if you type "nautilus" in a terminal?
[05:53] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. could u guys check how much RAM does lucid use on a fresh install ?
[05:53] <marginoferror> I mean, in a terminal in X
[05:53] <Blue11> marginoferror: brb
[05:53] <marginoferror> SandGorgon, as much as you have.  Theoretically it should run with 256mb but I don't recommend it.
[05:53] <tenoch1> marginoferror: I think i made a mistake it did not work
[05:54] <marginoferror> tenoch1, what happened specifically?
[05:54] <Blue11> marginoferror: key file error
[05:54] <Blue11> it's really broke but I think wgrant has the right idea --
[05:54] <tenoch1> marginoferror:  nothing, i still do not see any icons or panels.
[05:54] <SandGorgon> marginoferror, umm.. I was hoping for a number like 350mb or so. is that incorrect ?
[05:54] <Blue11> tenoch1: same here
[05:55] <marginoferror> SandGorgon, I'm not sure you can really get a number like that because more or less information will be stored in RAM depending on how much you have
[05:55] <Blue11> marginoferror: but I DO have task/tool bars just no desktop icons - and nautilus is hosed
[05:55] <vish> to avoid the #542343 gnome-panel bug , the gnome-panel update can be skipped? or do i have to skip any other update?
[05:55] <marginoferror> Blue11, tenoch1, I'm not sure why it would work for me and not you guys -- admittedly I moved the top line to the bottom of those files rather than deleting the line altogether, if that matters.
[05:55] <wgrant> vish: Do not upgrade at all.
[05:55] <wgrant> vish: Many packages are broken.
[05:55] <SandGorgon> marginoferror, oh.. I didnt know that RAM usage is dependent on total RAM- I always assumed that it would take a fixed amount of RAM
[05:55] <tenoch1> marginoferror: when you gave me the instructions everything went fine except on control x what should have happened when i pressed that on the terminal
[05:56] <wgrant> By all means install Beta 1.
[05:56] <wgrant> But do not upgrade.
[05:56] <Blue11> marginoferror: i moved the line to the bottom as well
[05:56] <marginoferror> Hmm
[05:56] <Blue11> marginoferror: maybe commenting it out?
[05:56] <marginoferror> Then I'm mystified.  But the update in a couple hours should fix things I guess?
[05:56] <marginoferror> Blue11, the line itself isn't the problem, it's just that the header has to be the top line or nautilus crashes
[05:56] <vish> wgrant: ah , ok thanks..  i'm using lucid since earlier.. just saw the topic and stopped update :D
[05:56] <marginoferror> vish, good call @_@
[05:57] <vish> the update had 25secs left to download :)
[05:57] <marginoferror> SandGorgon, the OS is smart enough to shuffle less frequently used data to swap if you have low RAM, or cache large amounts of data in memory if you have a lot
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> so does a clean install from the iso have the same issue?
[05:58] <marginoferror> Dr_Willis, Yes, afaik
[05:58] <marginoferror> Oh, wait
[05:58] <marginoferror> No, I misread that
[05:58] <marginoferror> Clean install from ISO should work fine
[05:58] <wgrant> Dr_Willis: Only if you upgrade in the next couple of hours.
[05:58] <marginoferror> It does NOT have the same issue, AFAIK
[05:58] <wgrant> A clean install is fine, but upgrading in the problematic 12 hour window will still break.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> thats.. weird
[05:59] <Blue11> marginoferror: max nix - made no difference if I commented it out
[05:59] <Blue11> wgrant: i think I'll wait for the next cycle
[05:59] <tenoch1> guys so when the update is ready what is the command i need to use
[05:59] <marginoferror> Dr_Willis, the problem is with a program that handles the updating of .desktop files during an upgrade.  That program does not malfunction if you don't upgrade and instead install fresh.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> ahh.
[05:59] <marginoferror> Blue11, sorry, I'm out of ideas.  =<  But hopefully the updates in a few hours will work for you
[05:59] <vish> tenoch1: subscribe to the bug and you'l get update on when it is fixed
[05:59] <wgrant> marginoferror: That's not the case.
[06:00] <wgrant> marginoferror: The problem is that .desktop files in the upgraded packages are broken.
[06:00] <wgrant> It's not something that you avoid by installing fresh.
[06:00] <marginoferror> Oh.  That's rather more simple than I thought.
[06:00] <tenoch1> vish: do you know what is the bug number?
[06:00] <marginoferror> =/  Okay, my mistake.
[06:00] <vish> tenoch1: its in the topic > type /topic
[06:01] <marginoferror> tenoch1, sorry, I missed your message up there until now -- but, control-x should exit nano and drop you back into the terminal.  Anyway, if all that didn't work, it's probably easiest just to wait for the update in a few hours =x
[06:01] <marginoferror> idk why it worked for me and the person who commented to the bug but not for you two
[06:01]  * vish was just saved in the nick of time.. noticed the topic with 25secs left for packages to download and went  abort.. abort.. abort! ;)
[06:11] <tenoch1> marginoferror: no problem i will wait for the update
[06:13] <ddecator> vish: too bad i didn't notice, i'm navigating with the terminal right now =p
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> hmmm
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> putting grub on the proper HD.. helps :)
[06:28] <joe_> After upgrading to Lucid, I was unable to access my network drives with a message that some obsolete pkg version were installed. I then used the update manager to see if any updates were available and found the ones previously mentioned were among those recommended. I then found I could only do a Partial update and after doing so I could open my Home Folder icon, so I rebooted and now only...
[06:28] <joe_> ...have an empty Desktop. Any help available to resolve this?
[06:29] <Dr_Willis_> joe_:  thers some issue with gnome not getting started right
[06:29] <Dr_Willis_> topic mentions the bug#
[06:31] <syddraf> Upon moving from lucid alpha to lucid beta, my computer will no longer connect to the wired network. Any suggestions?
[06:32] <espen77> joe_: to fix it, i had to edit {evolution*,evince,gnome-panel,palimpsest,ubuntu-about}.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ and {evolution-alarm-notify,gdu-notification-daemon,indicator-applet}.desktop in /etc/xdg/autostart/ on this computer. Make sure [Desktop Entry] is the first line
[06:34] <joe_> espen77: Being a novice here, I'm not sure how to proceed considering I have an blank screen with only a mouse pointer and nothing to click on.
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> joe_: Do you by any chance have a keyboard shortcut defined for running gnome-terminal?
[06:35] <marginoferror> joe_: The easy thing to do is wait until the fix percolates, which should take about two hours...
[06:35] <wgrant> tonyyarusso, joe_: Alt+T will get you a terminal.
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> wgrant: since when?
[06:35] <espen77> joe_: might be safer to pray to the dev god for a coupple of ours then :P
[06:35] <wgrant> tonyyarusso: Not sure.
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> huh
[06:35] <marginoferror> joe_: then press Control-Alt-T to get a terminal and type "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> marginoferror: that won't help him.
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> joe_: let me know if you can get a terminal open.
[06:36] <marginoferror> tonyyarusso, not right now it won't, but it should help him after the fix is pushed out in a couple of hours...?
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> marginoferror: right
[06:36] <joe_> wgrant: Alt+T does nothing
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> wgrant: I'm pretty sure you defined that shortcut yourself ;)
[06:37] <marginoferror> It's Control-Alt-T
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> joe_: I assume you're talking from a second machine.
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> marginoferror: that's not a default setting...  (Although I use it too.)
[06:37] <marginoferror> tonyyarusso, it seemed to be default for me?  I didn't set it.  I didn't know about it at all before today!
[06:37] <git__> can one upgrade from 9.10 to Lucid alpha3?
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> joe_: You can get a a full-screen real terminal with Ctrl-Alt-F1 if what marginoferror said doesn't work either.  Go ahead and do that on the problem system.
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> !upgrade | git__
[06:38] <ddecator> haha, use > not |
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> hmm, not sure if those will help you.
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> git__: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing will link you to instructions.
[06:38] <ddecator> git__: it's beta 1 now, but tonight isn't a good time to upgrade
[06:38] <wgrant> But do not upgrade right now!
[06:38] <marginoferror> But don't follow them quite yet!  Wait a couple hours, there is a bad bug in the system right now.
[06:39] <Dr_Willis_> Wait a day to upgrade
[06:39] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:39] <joe_> tonyyarusso: I have a terminal screen, but have already typed the sudo apt-get command, can I stop that?
[06:39] <syddraf> Upon moving from lucid alpha to lucid beta, my computer will no longer connect to the wired network. Any suggestions?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis_> the ONE time i decide to try to upgrade.. heh
[06:39] <marginoferror> Joe_: If you typed sudo apt-get update, just let it run. It won't hurt anything.
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> joe_: You don't need to - go ahead and let it finish - it won't get more broken.
[06:40] <marginoferror> Anyway, just do sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade...  after the fix is out, in a couple of hours I guess.
[06:40] <git__> Beta 1 - Released Mar 19th, 2009
[06:40] <ddecator> syddraf: not sure, my ethernet is working for me right now, even with the broken upgrades
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> joe_: When it's done, use 'screen -S panel' to create a terminal that you can detach from without killing its contents.
[06:40] <git__> i think there's a typo at  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[06:40] <syddraf> ddecator, out of curiosity, what network card are you using? integrated?
[06:40] <ddecator> git__: why do you think that?
[06:40] <git__> b/c beta1 is Mar 19th, 2010, no?
[06:40] <ddecator> syddraf: not sure to be honest...whatever is in my laptop, haha
[06:41] <ddecator> oh, it says 2009 o_O?
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> joe_: Within that, issue 'gnome-panel'.  That will start up your normal panel for you manually.  Then, use Ctrl-A Ctrl-D (in sequence one after another, not together) to detach from that window to get things out of the way.
[06:41] <alkisg> What package provides nc? On my Lucid: $ which nc
[06:41] <alkisg> /bin/nc
[06:41] <alkisg> $ dpkg -S /bin/nc
[06:41] <alkisg> dpkg: /bin/nc not found.
[06:41] <marginoferror> syddraf, ddecator, I had weird problems with ethernet in Lucid.  My system seemed to want to manage my wired ethernet connection entirely via GNOME.  It didn't configure any ethernet in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:41] <ddecator> oh wait, syddraf make sure networking is enabled
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> joe_: the will let you use your system until the fix is pushed out in a few hours, and then running updates should fix it permanently.
[06:41] <ddecator> syddraf: i had it auto-disable on me a few times for no reason...
[06:41] <wgrant> alkisg: ls -l /bin/nc
[06:41] <wgrant> alkisg: It's an alternative
[06:41] <marginoferror> ddecator, me too!  I have no idea why.
[06:41] <wgrant> ls -l the alternative path to get the real path.
[06:42] <alkisg> wgrant: thanks, nc.openbsd :)
[06:42] <ddecator> marginoferror: idk either, that's why i didn't file a bug. hasn't happened in over a week though
[06:42] <syddraf> ddecator, kind of a beginning/moderate linux user. what's the command?
[06:42] <joe_> tonyyarusso: Yes, I'm on a working system here. The first command completed, should I do the second one also?
[06:42] <ddecator> syddraf: do you still have the gnome panel on top?
[06:42] <git__> i'll wait tomorrow to upgrade
[06:42] <marginoferror> syddraf, are you using a wired network connection or wireless?
[06:42] <ddecator> git__: good call =)
[06:42] <syddraf> marginoferror: wired; ddecator: yes
[06:43] <marginoferror> syddraf, okay, my advice is, screw GNOME.  Instead, type this in a terminal: sudo /etc/network/interfaces
[06:43] <ddecator> syddraf: if you have the network manager applet up top, just right click it and there is a check box
[06:43] <marginoferror> wait
[06:43] <marginoferror> Sorry, that's
[06:43] <marginoferror> syddraf: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[06:43] <syddraf> ddecator: its enabled
[06:43] <marginoferror> type in your password, and add these lines to the end (if they're not already there):
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> joe_: yup
[06:43] <marginoferror> auto eth0
[06:43] <marginoferror> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[06:44] <ddecator> syddraf: try what marginoferror just said
[06:44] <ddecator> should be in that file by default
[06:44] <ddecator> by who knows
[06:44] <marginoferror> Then press control-O to save, control-X to exit
[06:44] <syddraf> it wasnt. just the loopback
[06:44] <marginoferror> ddecator, it should be, but it wasn't in my case.  Idk why.
[06:44] <marginoferror> Yeah
[06:44] <marginoferror> So anyway, if you add those two lines
[06:44] <marginoferror> And then either reboot, or maybe just type "sudo ifup eth0"
[06:44] <marginoferror> it should work
[06:44] <ddecator> odd...gedit offers a graphical way of doing all of that btw ;)
[06:45] <ddecator> easier for beginners
[06:45] <marginoferror> I have no idea why GNOME is trying to manage wired network stuff
[06:45] <marginoferror> ddecator, true, I got in the habit of telling people to use nano since GNOME wasn't working =)
[06:45] <ddecator> marginoferror: gedit is working for me right now =)
[06:46] <syddraf> marginoferror: still not working =/
[06:47] <marginoferror> Did you try rebooting or just the ifup?
[06:47] <syddraf> i tried ifup - nothing; then a new session - nothing
[06:48] <marginoferror> Try rebooting.  If that doesn't work, then you have a different problem (or multiple ones) and we'll have to investigate those
[06:48] <joe_> tonyyarusso: after the second command completed, I did the 'screen -S panel' command and the contents of the terminal screen cleared, but nothing else happened.
[06:49] <agitdd99> "DO NOT UPGRADE atm - Auto-starting of GNOME is currently broken" well i already did, i am surviving now , no shutdown, no logout, or anything else
[06:50] <ddecator> agitdd99: are you comfortable with the terminal?
[06:50] <syddraf> marginoferror: still not working,  but the network icon on the top panel is missing now
[06:50] <marginoferror> syddraf, that's normal, apparently the icon only appears if GNOME is managing your networking and not the OS
[06:50] <ddecator> wait what?
[06:50] <marginoferror> syddraf, go to a terminal and type ifconfig
[06:50] <ddecator> the icon has always been there for me
[06:50] <marginoferror> ddecator, the icon disappeared for me once I added the line to interfaces...
[06:51] <syddraf> marginoferror: what am i looking for or should i paste-bin it to you?
[06:51] <marginoferror> Paste-bin sounds good!
[06:51] <alkisg> ...so netcat-traditional was the default in Jaunty and supported the -c switch to execute commands, but netcat-openbsd is the default in Lucid and doesn't support it... :-/
[06:51] <alkisg> Well, I guess we can use a fifo instead, to redirect both input and output to nc: cat /tmp/fifo | nc localhost 25547 | sh > /tmp/fifo
[06:51] <ddecator> that doesn't sound right...
[06:51] <syddraf> gotta copy it out by hand >_<
[06:52] <marginoferror> ddecator, I was surprised the icon disappeared too.  But I was also surprised Ubuntu didn't put eth0 in my interfaces file!  Surprises all around
[06:52] <agitdd99> ddecator: yeah i can live with that. i mean i try not to shut the machine down. i really get this thing running until there's a fix
[06:52] <marginoferror> syddraf, why?  Is GNOME not working for you at all?
[06:52] <ddecator> huh, my interfaces file doesn't have all of that...
[06:52] <syddraf> no internet to get to pastebin ^_^
[06:52] <marginoferror> If it is, you can just do it in a terminal in X (control-alt-T or whatever) and paste it.
[06:52] <marginoferror> syddraf:  ........  right.
[06:52] <ddecator> but not having the icon would suck for joining wireless o.o
[06:52] <marginoferror>  /facepalms
[06:53] <syddraf> the beauty of flash drives
[06:53] <marginoferror> ddecator, I would THINK the icon would stick around if you have wireless.  But I guess syddraf is on a notebook, right?  so if the icon disappeared for him... idek
[06:54] <syddraf> http://pastebin.com/xi7F7u3u
[06:54] <ddecator> marginoferror: idk either, i never had it disappear so idk how it behaves, haha
[06:54] <syddraf> marginoferror: its a desktop
[06:54] <marginoferror> syddraf, Oh, sorry, I misread earlier
[06:55] <marginoferror> ...  huh.  Can someone else take a look at that pastebin?
[06:55] <marginoferror> I need a second opinion.  I've never seen eth0 split up into two sections before
[06:55] <ddecator> sure
[06:55] <joe_> tonyyarusso: I just saw the next message and did the gnome-panel command, which brought up the top and bottom bars and icons, but still no Desktop icons.
[06:55] <marginoferror> Oh, I see what's happening
[06:56] <marginoferror> avahi is zeroconf
[06:56] <ddecator> well now we know your mac address...
[06:56] <marginoferror> syddraf, for some reason DHCP is not working for you.  Are you sure your router is functioning properly?
[06:56] <syddraf> I'm on a university router, but i can test it. gimme a min. ill disconnect
[06:56] <ddecator> that's a really specific interfaces file o.o
[06:57] <marginoferror> ddecator, huh?  That's the output of ifconfig, not interfaces
[06:57] <ddecator> marginoferror: ah, that makes a lot more sense, haha. sorry, only kind of paying attention, trying to solve a build problem i keep running into...
[06:58] <Dr_Willis_> joe_:  run 'nautilus &' and it should bring up the desktop icons
[06:59] <syddraf__> ok. the network cable worked when plugged into this computer
[06:59] <marginoferror> Hmmm
[06:59] <bntly> Was just sent over, Is anyone else having problems with flash playback under lucid? Choppy video but OK sound?
[06:59] <marginoferror> I'm a little stumped.  DHCP works fine for me, I don't know why it would break on upgrade for you
[07:00] <marginoferror> I'm sorry, I might not be much help =(
[07:00] <marginoferror> It might be a good idea to
[07:00] <marginoferror> On the computer that works
[07:00] <syddraf__> marginoferror: thanks for trying though. i appreciate it
[07:00] <marginoferror> copy down the IP address, netmask, DNS info
[07:00] <marginoferror> And input that manually into the computer that's not working
[07:00] <marginoferror> That might help you troubleshoot.  If it works, it's only DHCP that failed
[07:00] <marginoferror> If it doesn't work, it's the whole thing
[07:01] <marginoferror> syddraf__, you're welcome.  I hope you figure it out.  Also: it's your call whether you want to leave /etc/network/interfaces like that or edit it back to what it was and let GNOME take care of networking
[07:01] <joe_> Dr_Willis: That produces an error message, ...Could not load desktop file '/usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop': Key file does not start with a group
[07:02] <syddraf__> marginoferror: ill leave it the way it is for now
[07:02] <ddecator> i keep going to check my top panel for the time >.>
[07:03] <marginoferror> Okay, I have to go to bed.  It's like 3 AM here =x
[07:04]  * marginoferror waves
[07:07] <Dr_Willis_> joe_:  that may be one of the files that got messed up.
[07:07] <syddraf__> Well. I hooked up my USB-eth adaptor and its working now, for whatever its worth.
[07:08] <syddraf__> thx all
[07:14] <joe_> Dr_Willis: How might it be rebuilt correctly?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis_> joe_:  not sure. I imagine there will be a fix soon. or find the file on a new install perhaps and compare the 2
[07:17] <ddecator> cdbs update is out =)
[07:19] <ddecator> except the one i got didn't fix the issue...
[07:21] <wgrant> ddecator: cdbs is only used to build packages.
[07:21] <wgrant> We still need to rebuild the broken ones with the fixed cdbs.
[07:21] <wgrant> This is in progress.
[07:21] <ddecator> ah, gotcha
[07:22] <joe_> Dr_Willis: The first line in the file of the broken system shows: X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=Nautilus which the working system lacks. From that point reading down they appear similar, but neither contains the word 'group'
[07:24] <sulle> I have a peoblem, i cant go to my home folder or anny other place in the "places" option, u can use programs and go into the system but not in the diffrent directories.
[07:24] <joe_> Could someone post a copy of a good "/usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop" file that I could compare to mine?
[07:24] <sulle> "no program registered to handle this file".
[07:25] <Dr_Willis_> hmm sounnds like some file assouication is messed up sulle  can you run 'nautilus /home/user' ?
[07:25] <Bob_Dole> How's 10.04 coming along? is it still as buggy as the 9.10 release?
[07:26] <Dr_Willis_> Bob_Dole:  No.
[07:26] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[07:26] <sulle> Dr_Willis_: no i cant, i am sending bug report now.
[07:27] <petsounds> hi all. i just installing beta 1. will jockey-gtk install default nvidia driver or nouveau?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis_> nouveau is allreadyinstalled i thought
[07:27] <petsounds> Dr_Willis_,  installed by default?
[07:28] <Dr_Willis_> its on my desktop.. and i never installed it that i sw
[07:28] <Bob_Dole> Oh wait, still no ATI drivers are there?
[07:29] <ddecator> petsounds: i believe nouveau is installed by default and jockey installs the official driver
[07:29] <sulle> Strange proglem this is.
[07:31] <Guest91080> hi
[07:32] <ddecator> sulle: i think that's what it said when i first upgraded and broke nautilus
[07:32] <Bob_Dole> again...still no ATI drivers, or has ATI updated recently?
[07:32] <petsounds> ddecator, thanks :)
[07:32] <ddecator> Bob_Dole: sorry, i'm not sure what the status is on that =\
[07:33] <Bob_Dole> :/
[07:33] <Bob_Dole> My "good" video cards are all ATI. but I have a few cruddy Nvidia's that'd work too.
[07:33] <ddecator> petsounds: np =), although some people have had trouble with the fan not working with nvidia 195...i haven't had trouble, but if you have trouble you can downgrade to 190
[07:34] <Mikerhinos> anybody has problems with gnome-panel after upgrading to beta1 ? :s  My console mode (ctrl+alt+F2) is all messed up to , unreadable
[07:34] <Dr_Willis_> gnome panel  - known issue.
[07:34] <ddecator> Mikerhinos: should be fixed in a few hours with an update
[07:35] <Dr_Willis_> console issues... ive seen problems with some X drivers conflicting/messing them up
[07:36] <Mikerhinos> ok thanks
[07:39] <joe_> It looks like the last line of nautilus.desktop somehow got placed at the top of the file. I've moved it to the bottom and the file now begins with [Desktop Entry]
[07:39] <joe_> Anyone tell me how I should proceed? stop nautilus? and restart?
[07:40] <harisund> What version of network manager is in Lucid? Is it the latest one that will support Bluetooth DUN?
[07:41] <Mikerhinos> is there a way to show gnome-panel so i can install the fixed one in a few hours more easily (because of broken display in console mode) ?
[07:43] <joe_> On the bright side my ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY video display is no longer corrupted.
[07:43] <wgrant> i386 fixes should be out in 75 minutes. amd64 might be available then too, but might be an hour later.
[07:44] <Dr_Willis_> Mikerhinos:  you could icewm or some  other window manager. so you have a useable desktop/terminal from the GDM login
[07:45] <joe_> Can or should I do another 'nautilus &' command to see if my Desktop icons will appear, or is there a more proper way to follow?
[07:45] <Dr_Willis_> try it and see.
[07:46] <Dr_Willis_> Nautilus handles the file manager and desktop icons.
[07:46] <ddecator> wgrant: thanks for the update =)
[07:47] <Mikerhinos> cool i "fixed" it , by hitting ctrl+alt+T which launched terminal , then "gnome-panel"  , gave me 2 error lines then launched. Waiting for the update now :)
[07:48] <joe_> Dr_Willis: And they appeared. Nervously, I'm wondering if a reboot will not hose things up again?
[07:48] <Dr_Willis_> you could always make a custome .xinitrc  I guess.
[07:48] <Dr_Willis_> the fact that gnome is not launchign stuff is rather trivial really
[07:48] <Dr_Willis_> Its a few configs/desktop files goofed up.  You could/shoulw be able tolaunch the stuff by hand if you wanted
[07:48] <joe_> syddraf__: Thank you, also.
[07:51] <syddraf_> Ok. Now I've got another problem
[07:52] <ddecator> which is?
[07:52] <syddraf_> After installing ubuntu, i hooked up another hard drive, and now grub is throwing an error on start up that it can't find the UUID. so i went into https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows and used the new UUID for my ubuntu partition, but its still attempting to access the old UUID
[07:53] <ddecator> that's definitely not my territory...
[07:54] <coppro> how come trying to upgrade to Beta 1 hangs (on KDE, so GNOME not starting is not an issue)
[07:55] <ddecator> can you be more specific on when it hangs?
[07:56] <coppro> It (do-release-upgrade -d) informs me of the packages which are moving from main to universe, then says "calculating the changes" and stops
[07:56] <ricardinho22> hi, in latest update from alpha to beta, something broke and gnome is not loading
[07:56] <ddecator> ricardinho22: it's known and a fix will be out in about an hour
[07:56] <ddecator> or longer
[07:57] <ddecator> but soon =)
[07:57] <ricardinho22> good, thanks
[07:57] <joe_> Earlier today when I upgraded after being told a Beta was available which might fix my video problem, which it does, the upgrade mentioned Alpha, not Beta. can I someway verify that I am running the Beta and not the Alpha of 10.04?
[07:57] <wgrant> joe_: If you're fully upgraded, you are running the beta.
[07:57] <wgrant> If your system broke, you are running the beta.
[07:57] <Mikerhinos> yes ricardinho22 , you can launch gnome-panel by launching a terminal with ctrl+alt+T , "gnome-panel" , and not closing terminal
[07:58] <coppro> couldn't you do 'gnome-panel & exit'?
[07:58] <ddecator> possibly...gnome-panel still won't load for me even from the terminal
[07:58] <wgrant> ddecator: Which architecture? i386 or amd64?
[07:59] <ddecator> wgrant: amd64
[07:59] <Mikerhinos> thanks coppro , "gnome-panel & exit" is better , lol
[07:59] <ddecator> wgrant: it gets an error, then the terminal just sits there
[07:59] <coppro> hey, it started moving
[07:59] <coppro> g'night
[08:00] <joe_> wgrant: After the upgrade I tried running the update manager, which told me I could only do a partial update. Alpha? And afterwards the system broke. Beta? But still partially updated? Alpha/Beta?
[08:01] <wgrant> OK, i386 and amd64 updates made it. They will be out within the hour.
[08:01] <ddecator> wgrant: thanks =)
[08:01] <Mikerhinos> cool
[08:02] <wgrant> The adventurous might be able to hunt them up themselves right now.
[08:08] <joe_> When I click on the 'Home Folder' icon it says "No application registered as handling this file" Have I other files that must be repaired?
[08:09] <wgrant> joe_: That's the Nautilus issue again.
[08:09] <wgrant> Which architecture are you running?
[08:10] <joe_> wgrant: 386 on an IBM Thinkpad R40
[08:11] <Mikerhinos> thanks everyone for the help , have to leave :)
[08:15] <joe_> wgrant: I've tried opening everything I can and it looks like nothing under "Places" will open. I see a "fix" within the hour being mentioned, might that fix this problem? If so will I receive an update  notification? If so, I am willing to wait. And thank you for your help.
[08:15] <wgrant> joe_: It will fix the problem.
[08:15] <Dr_Willis_> Some people have no patience.. :)
[08:16] <Dr_Willis_> heh
[08:16] <Bob_Dole> I'm on a cruddy little laptop with 512MB of RAM, but I'm VNC'd into a much faster computer about 40 miles away. considering downloading the 10.04 beta and trying it in a VM...is the beta iso out yet?
[08:16] <wgrant> You should receive the update notification.
[08:16] <Dr_Willis_> Bob_Dole:  its out.. but you may want to wait.
[08:16] <Bob_Dole> k
[08:16] <wgrant> The update notification tool was almost hit by this problem, but it missed it by around 15 minutes.
[08:16] <ddecator> good save =)
[08:17] <joe_> wgrant: I'll wait quietly then. Thanks.
[08:17] <Bob_Dole> will the ISO have this update everyone is mentioning, or will there no be difference and the wait is just for the update to be present?
[08:17] <Dr_Willis_> Bob_Dole:  from what i hear - a new cleaninstall will not have the issue.
[08:17] <wgrant> Bob_Dole: The ISOs don't actually have the broken packages, but upgrading now after a clean install will get the broken packages.
[08:17] <Dr_Willis_> but i bet the servers are all getting hammered right now.
[08:17] <wgrant> Dr_Willis_: That is why BitTorrent was invented.
[08:17] <Bob_Dole> wait what
[08:18] <Dr_Willis_> Bob_Dole:  theres bug in the updated packages  - a fix is being worked on
[08:18] <Bob_Dole> Installing a clean install now will make it get bro- oh
[08:18] <wgrant> Bob_Dole: It will become broken if you upgrade.
[08:18] <Bob_Dole> then I'll start the download of the ISO and just not upgrade.
[08:18] <ripps> somehow, after a few updates today, the file-roller got set as the system file manager instead of nautilus. Which, of course, doesn't work. How can I get nautilus back to it?
[08:19] <wgrant> In an hour it will become less broken. The desktop itself will be fixed in under an hour, but applications such as Rhythmbox, Evolution, Totem and Empathy will be broken for a while longer.
[08:19] <wgrant> ripps: Wait an hour and upgrade.
[08:19] <wgrant> And don't log out.
[08:19] <Dr_Willis_> ripps:  right click on a folder, properties, see what its default Open With... item is.
[08:22] <ripps> Dr_Willis_: I can't even open nautilus, it seems to segfault every time
[08:22] <wgrant> Right, that's the bug which is mentioned in the topic.
[08:22] <wgrant> The fix is current in the publisher.
[08:22] <Dr_Willis_> apt-get install some-patience
[08:22] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[08:25] <Bob_Dole> I really wish I could have brought a more powerful machine to the hospital with me
[08:25] <Bob_Dole> 512MB and a 1.6ghz Pentium M doesn't quite cut it
[08:25] <ddecator> Bob_Dole: hospital? hope you get better soon =)
[08:25] <Bob_Dole> 1-2GB of RAM and a 1.6ghz Pentium M would have been great though
[08:25] <Busata> oh how I wish I read that note before updating
[08:25] <Bob_Dole> Jaw surgery.
[08:26] <ddecator> ouch...
[08:26] <wgrant> Busata: A fix will be on the primary mirrors in around half an hour.
[08:26] <Busata> is there an easy way to connect to a specific wireless ssid from commandline
[08:26] <wgrant> Look for the gnome-panel and nautilus updates.
[08:26] <wgrant> Busata: Open up a terminal (try Ctrl+Alt+T) and run 'gnome-panel' to bring it back for now.
[08:26] <Busata> it's ok, I don't mind :)
[08:28] <Busata> rebooties!
[08:28] <Bob_Dole> It's sad when playing framerate sensitive flash games works better on a machine you're VNCing into than the machine right infront of you
[08:29] <Bob_Dole> 29 minutes until the beta1 iso is done
[08:29] <ddecator> just in time for the update to be out =p
[08:32] <Dr_Willis_> and new bugs to appear
[08:33] <wgrant> Hopefully not.
[08:34] <Bob_Dole> is ALSA back in the GUI yet?
[08:34] <Bob_Dole> or is it still completely removed so you're forced to use pulseaudio unless you open terminal
[08:36] <disismt> hi all, I upgraded to 10.04 beta1 but now everytime I boot I get the message "your disk drives need to be checked for errors. This may take some time. Press C to cancel disk checking.". However no diskchecking actually occurs and Ubuntu immediately boots to desktop. Is this a bug.
[08:36] <ddecator> as in it mentions 'fsck' ?
[08:37] <Bob_Dole> I ask because them doing that with 9.10 was one of my considerations when I was deciding to quit using ubuntu as my primary OS.
[08:37] <wgrant> Bob_Dole: Why?
[08:37] <ddecator> pulse is based on alsa
[08:37] <Dr_Willis_> you worry more about sound then I do it seems...
[08:37] <Dr_Willis_> Ive rarely had any issues with Pulse.
[08:37] <ddecator> me either
[08:38] <Bob_Dole> All of my audio hardware has issues with PCM, and PulseAudio won't let me adjust the PCM volume. I can do it with alsamixer in the CLI, but then using any GUI or keyboard shortcut to alter the volume messed with PCM, leaving my audio sounding like crap
[08:38] <Bob_Dole> opening a terminal to change the volume in the middle of a game is annoying.
[08:39]  * Dr_Willis_ uses a knob on his speakers...
[08:39] <Dr_Willis_> :P
[08:39] <ddecator> hm, that's something crimsun would know the most about
[08:39] <Bob_Dole> I touch the knob and bad things happen with my speakers.
[08:39] <Dr_Willis_> Ive notivced my speakers 'buzz' moments befor I get a Cell Phone call.. :)  they have ESP
[08:39] <ddecator> haha, i got that with my old cellphone
[08:43] <ddecator> well i guess the advantage of this breakage is me getting more acquainted with the terminal, haha
[08:43] <Bob_Dole> Actually, I realized I've been going about that the wrong way this whole time
[08:43] <ddecator> ?
[08:44] <Bob_Dole> I should have been asking if there was a config file with the default PCM volume, or some such...
[08:44] <Bob_Dole> so I could edit it to be below the "sounds like crap" level
[08:44] <ddecator> i feel like there is a way to make it so you can control the volume levels with cli more easily
[08:44] <Bob_Dole> I can control them easily with the CLI.
[08:45] <ddecator> yah, but i mean without terminal or anything
[08:45] <solid_liq> hmm, since I've disabled compiz on this laptop, I haven't had a lockup...  I'm hoping it stays that way.  If so, that means it's the driver for the Intel GMA graphics embedded in the core i5 processor that's the culprit for the random hangs I've experienced on this computer
[08:45] <Dr_Willis_> you can alwyas set up hotkeys to run command line tools..  i guess
[08:45] <Dr_Willis_> but there are soundconfig files as well
[08:46] <solid_liq> ddecator, alsamixer isn't easy enough for you?
[08:46] <ddecator> solid_liq: i use pulse, Bob_Dole is the one who has to use alsa
[08:47] <Bob_Dole> I know from experience that I usually use ~600mb of physical memory on Ubuntu 9.04 with my typical usage pattern, but this laptop only has 512MB of RAM..and it doesn't work so well with my normal usage.
[08:47] <solid_liq> ddecator, you could always connect a knob to your computer and hook it into pulse to control volume level
[08:47] <solid_liq> ddecator, iirc, alsamixer will still control the volume for pulse
[08:47] <ddecator> solid_liq: haha, thanks, but i don't have any sound issues =)
[08:48] <Bob_Dole> My problem is using the GUI tools which use pulse audio results in a setting being turned too high, and pulseaudio not allowing me to actually directly change that setting
[08:48] <solid_liq> I've thought about getting an arduino board myself, and hooking up sliders to it to use for things like controlling volume and adjusting other things
[08:48] <Bob_Dole> turning the volume down turns this setting up. and it angers me so much
[08:49] <ddecator> and i take it we won't like you when you're angry?
[08:50] <solid_liq> oh, I'm glad I saw the "don't upgrade" warning :)
[08:50] <disismt> ddecator: I don't remember if it mentions fsck, but it definitely mentions disk checking
[08:50] <solid_liq> nah, he turns into the incredible hulk ;)
[08:50] <Bob_Dole> I had a lot of other bugs in 9.10 involving audio though, and a small number of issues with video. I'm hoping to god 10.04 manages to fix those. Dx
[08:50] <ddecator> disismt: i think i might have that too, but plymouth makes it hard to tell...i still have trouble with plymouth -_-
[08:52] <Bob_Dole> I hate windows. And I hadn't used it in such a long time I was terribly lost...but I pulled out a year and a half old disk image of when that machine had a windows install..(which it had at all because SiS sucks worse on linux) and used it.
[08:53] <tushar> hi how to change the buttons on the window to right side
[08:54] <Bob_Dole> if 10.04 doesn't satisfy me by a week after it's officially released I'll have to pick a different linux distro. :<
[08:54] <ddecator> wow, haven't heard that question in a while...
[08:54] <ddecator> i don't even remember the command...
[08:54] <tushar> for what ddecator
[08:54] <ddecator> tushar: are you comfortable with gconf?
[08:54] <tushar> would prefer a GUI based gnome editor
[08:54] <ddecator> Bob_Dole: well remember it's still in beta o.o
[08:54] <tushar> but tell me ddecator
[08:54] <neoteny> you can go into gconf editor and change that.
[08:54] <Bob_Dole> ddecator, as I said, a week after official release.
[08:55] <Bob_Dole> it has a while to go.
[08:55] <wgrant> OK, updates should be out now.
[08:55] <tushar> !gconf
[08:55] <tushar> how do I edit gconf
[08:55] <wgrant> The important ones are nautilus, gnome-panel, and ones that look like that.
[08:56] <ddecator> tushar: if you run "gksu gconf-editor" then go to Apps > Metacity > General, and change "button_layout" to ":minimize,maximize,close"
[08:56] <wgrant> nautilus 1:2.29.92.1-0ubuntu3, and gnome-panel 1:2.29.92.1-0ubuntu3
[08:56] <ddecator> Bob_Dole: sorry, missed that =p
[08:56] <tushar> Bob_Dole, what is the issue with Lucid for you ?
[08:56] <wgrant> (yes, those versions are identical)
[08:57] <ddecator> wgrant: yup, i got them =)
[08:57] <Bob_Dole> tushar, my problem is with Karmic, and they are problems that will never be fixed in Karmic. I've liked ubuntu from 8.04 to 9.04, so I'm hoping Lucid can make Ubuntu usable for me again. :/
[08:57] <Bob_Dole> I've been using Ubuntu since 7.04, though.
[08:58] <tushar> karmic was fine on my 5 years old presario , though it froze sometimes but i dont know if its hw or sw issue
[08:58] <Bob_Dole> Pain returning to face. to call for pain meds now or to wait till it gets worse...
[08:59] <Bob_Dole> I had a few severe audio bugs with karmic
[08:59] <wgrant> Bob_Dole: Did you report them?
[09:00] <Bob_Dole> I never could track them down well enough, and I opened the bug reporter several times, never submitted a form though.
[09:00] <tushar> ddecator, i am in General now i want to make the placement of those buttons to the right
[09:00] <tushar> its on the left side now completely
[09:00] <duffydack> beta1 fresh install on netbook using netbook beta and I get crash report, plymouthd closed unexpectedly.
[09:01] <ddecator> tushar: after you change "button_layout" to ":minimize,maximize,close" you may have to log out and back in
[09:01] <tushar> right , what other distros do u have in mind
[09:01] <ddecator> tushar: the colon placement determines which side they appear on
[09:01] <tushar> ddecator, would that make the whole buttons to the right side ?
[09:01] <tushar> got ya
[09:01] <wgrant> Bob_Dole: The bugs do not exist.
[09:01] <wgrant> You cannot complain unless you have reported them -- they do not exist.
[09:02] <Bob_Dole> the symptom was that audio would occasionally play a small piece of the audio file over and over, so the boimp audio sound would turn into boimp boi boi boi
[09:02] <tushar> logging off now
[09:02] <Dr_Willis_> hmm - you can change button layouyt on the fly
[09:02] <dodddummy> the fix seems to be in
[09:03] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntu-tweak tool lets you do it at least :)
[09:03] <ddecator> Bob_Dole: reporting against the wrong package is better than not reporting at all, the devs can help figure out the exact cause =p
[09:03] <ddecator> Dr_Willis_: i know there is a command to do it, but my comp is too slow right now to find it haha
[09:03] <vish> ddecator: no need to logout for the button layout , it is instant
[09:04] <ddecator> vish: wasn't for me when i used gconf-editor
[09:04] <dodddummy> ddecator, was for me.
[09:04] <vish> ddecator: weird then , it is /supposed/ to change the sec you hit enter after editing the gconf
[09:05] <ddecator> vish: dodddummy -shrug- idk, but a quick log out and log back in did it =)
[09:05] <Bob_Dole> I wish I had some fingernail clippers, they're getting too long to type, and it's time for painmeds..also, lets see if the beta ISO completed downloading
[09:05] <dodddummy> still think moving them was a 'weird' move :)
[09:06] <tushar> didnt work ddecator
[09:06] <ddecator> o.o
[09:06] <vish> ;p
[09:06] <tushar> i changed to colon to both sides and then logged out 2 times
[09:06] <vish> tushar: which gconf are you editing?
[09:07] <tushar> metacity
[09:07] <vish> tushar: > /apps/metacity/general/button_layout  ?
[09:07] <tushar> sksu gconf-editor
[09:07] <vish> tue: no need gksu
[09:07] <vish> tushar: just plain gconf-editor and no need to logout
[09:08] <tushar> yes
[09:08] <tushar> vish, same one
[09:08] <vish> hmm..
[09:08] <tushar> now  it is :minimize,maximize,close
[09:08] <vish> tushar: try /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[09:08] <vish> sry
[09:09] <vish> tushar: menu:minimize,maximize,spacer,close
[09:09] <tushar> did that and shud i logout
[09:09] <Dr_Willis_> ive never had to logout here.. but  ubuntu-twek may do somthing different
[09:09] <om26er> bug 542343
[09:10] <vish> tushar: you shouldnt have to , it should change instantly.. but ddecator says it doesnt work that way for himm.. so why not try logout again ;)
[09:10] <tushar> ok will do that now
[09:10] <ddecator> and gnome panel is back =)
[09:11] <ddecator> om26er: that should be fixed with the update that just got released
[09:11] <dodddummy> yeah, makes me glad i had to get up to pee
[09:11] <Bob_Dole> installing the 10.04 Beta 1 on a VM on my server over VNC now.
[09:11] <ddecator> and nautilus, yesssss
[09:12] <om26er> ddecator, in a few minutes? on the main server?
[09:12] <ddecator> om26er: it -just- got released on the servers
[09:12] <ddecator> this will help me figure out the build issue i'm having...tomorrow
[09:12] <wgrant> It has been available on archive.ubuntu.com for about 20 minutes now.
[09:13] <wgrant> It will not be available on most other mirrors for a while.
[09:13] <wgrant> I will attempt to expedite the mirroring, but that may not be possible.
[09:13] <om26er> wgrant, I switched to the main server and updated 5minutes ago but not fixed for me.
[09:13] <dodddummy> wgrant i tried about about 2 minutes after you said it was there and it worked for me.
[09:13] <wgrant> om26er: Which versions of gnome-panel and nautilus do you have installed?
[09:14] <om26er> ubuntu2 but three seems to be the candidate
[09:15] <wgrant> Right, you need ubuntu3.
[09:16] <tgpraveen12> hey guys i have gnome-shell installed how do i change to it?
[09:17] <tgpraveen12> gnome-shell --replace isnt working?
[09:19] <ddecator> alright, 4:20am, my build failed, so i'm going to bed and will figure it out tomorrow
[09:19] <ddecator> night all
[09:25] <Dr_Willis_> 16mb of updates here.
[09:27] <thst> is my "installer is taking extreme amounts of time to load if it ever completes" problem a known one? i cant seem to find it mentioned... amd64/desktop
[09:29] <mortal> how do I downgrade if I just upgraded?
[09:30] <Dr_Willis_> You dont.
[09:30] <Bob_Dole> I don't think they've made a downgrader yet, despite it being asked for quite a bit during 9.04 and 9.10's releases
[09:30] <rww> ubottu: downgrade
[09:30] <Dr_Willis_> That wouldbe a very complex task.
[09:30] <wgrant> It's not exactly easy.
[09:30] <wgrant> Lots of applications transparently upgrade their data files, for example.
[09:30] <mortal> the gnome packages
[09:30] <wgrant> So downgrading would make them unreadable.
[09:30] <mortal> I am running lucid
[09:30] <wgrant> mortal: What about them?
[09:30] <mortal> topic
[09:31] <wgrant> We've just pushed out updates for them.
[09:31] <mortal> good good
[09:31] <wgrant> That are fixed.
[09:31] <wgrant> Try to upgrade -- see if you get gnome-panel and nautilus -0ubuntu3, rather than -0ubuntu2.
[09:31] <Bob_Dole> Everyone wanted a downgrader for 9.04 because ATI stopped supporting everything below the 2xxx series cards on that release, and 9.10 was buggy.
[09:33] <kblin> morning folks
[09:33] <Bob_Dole> morning
[09:34] <rww> wgrant: I have -0ubuntu1 installed and -0ubuntu3 candidate upgrade. Can I disregard that bug?
[09:34] <tgpraveen12> !downgrade
[09:35] <kblin> is there any way to get the server install disk to _not_ use the framebuffer? I'm trying to set up a VM with lucid to test a bug report I made quite some time ago, but the installer just blanks the screen and gets stuck eating 100% CPU after loading the framebuffer
[09:35] <wgrant> rww: Yes.
[09:35] <wgrant> rww: Only -0ubuntu2 was broken.
[09:35] <rww> wgrant: thanks
[09:35] <wgrant> Well, plus a few other versions of other applications. But apart from gnome-panel and nautilus, that will just cause them to vanish from mirrors for a while.
[09:36] <Bob_Dole> You know, using the -quality 0 setting in ssvnc viewer probably isn't the best for messing with ubuntu 10.04 in a VM.
[09:37] <Bob_Dole> Imagine the worst JPG compression you've ever seen- that is -quality 0.
[09:41] <vish> wgrant: is evolution -ubuntu6 a safe update too? [i have nautilus, gnome-panel ubuntu3 available as well]
[09:41] <vish> available updates > http://paste.ubuntu.com/398227/
[09:42] <wgrant> vish: None of the packages apart from gnome-panel and nautilus are really fatal. But evolution -0ubuntu6 is the fixed one, yes.
[09:42] <vish> neat thanks :)
[09:44] <Dr_Willis_> kblin:  try the nofb kernel boot option?
[09:44] <bbordwell> wgrant: i have been reading the devel channel about the latest breakage of gnome-pannel+others, do rythmbox and totem need to be rebuilt before i get them back in my menu? if so is this in proggress?
[09:45] <wgrant> bbordwell: They're in progress. They should be available for amd64 and i386 in about 10 minutes.
[09:46] <vish> bbigras: i think rhythmbox has been already done
[09:46] <vish> oops bbordwell ^
[09:46] <kblin> Dr_Willis_: perfect, thanks
[09:46] <bbordwell> Thanks :)
[09:46] <wgrant> There may be other stuff around. I need to process several gigabytes of data.
[09:48] <Bob_Dole> painmeds+laptop keyboard+long fingernails=...accidents. lots of accidents
[09:48] <Bob_Dole> accidental key combos and hitting the trackpad making strange things happen
[09:50] <om26er> can I multiboot lubuntu and desktop edition?
[09:50] <tushar> hi guys is ubuntu software center buggy in lucid
[09:51] <bbordwell> Somewhat
[09:51] <tushar> right
[09:51] <wgrant> tushar: All software is buggy.
[09:51] <bbordwell> +1 wgrant
[09:51] <tushar> the problem is that USC doesnt open after I switch to another window ....lets say checking some other apps while installation is going on
[09:53] <tushar> ?
[09:53] <bbordwell> Works for me?
[09:53] <bbordwell> Im trying it right now
[09:54] <tushar> Karmic doesnt have the problem
[09:54] <bbordwell> installing alien arena so it takes a while, and switching to xchat
[09:54] <tushar> keep browsing for sometime and the
[09:55] <tushar> ok after the installation is done ...watch it bbigras
[09:55] <tushar> bbordwell,
[09:55] <bbordwell> okay, it is still downloading, alien arena is huge
[09:56] <tushar> lol maybe u cud have tried small ones i think
[09:56] <bbordwell> I will just let it be and see what happens in a few min
[09:56] <tushar> ok
[09:56] <tushar> i think it comes after the software is installed coz i can see the software installed
[09:56] <tushar> isnt that a game bbordwell
[09:57] <bbordwell> yes
[09:57] <bbordwell> open source shooter based of quake III engine
[09:57] <kblin> hm, I wonder if that lucid installer change is smart :)
[09:57] <bbordwell> I ended up stopping it and installing something smaller, i went back and it was still working fine
[09:57] <tushar> ok , do ea sports games work on ubunti
[09:58] <bbordwell> Not likely
[09:58] <tushar> ok
[09:58] <bbordwell> they are windows programms
[09:58] <bbordwell> you have to try them under wine
[09:58] <tushar> yes true
[09:58] <bbordwell> wine is hit or miss
[09:58] <kblin> it asked for "origin of keyboard". mine is "made in germany" but has an US layout
[09:58] <kblin> tushar: check http://appdb.winehq.org/
[09:58] <tushar> so u are getting the software center working fine ?
[09:58] <bbordwell> yep
[09:59] <tushar> yeah will check that KB1JWQ
[09:59] <tushar> kblin,
[09:59] <bbordwell> are you running 64bit?
[09:59] <tushar> no 32
[09:59] <Bob_Dole> what version of WINE is in 10.04?
[09:59] <bbordwell> 1.1.40 right now
[09:59] <kblin> Bob_Dole: I'd use the ppa in any case
[09:59] <bbordwell> should be updated within the next couple of days to 1.1.41
[10:00] <bbordwell> +to kblin though, that way after final release when they stop updating wine you still get updates
[10:01] <tushar> are u using ydays release ? i am not using btea btw
[10:01] <bbordwell> Ah, the non-beta is getting very dated
[10:01] <bbordwell> it is best to use the beta
[10:02] <tushar> right
[10:02] <bbordwell> they are at the 41st release after 1.0 and there is a release every two weeks, making the non-beta 82 weeks ol
[10:02] <bbordwell> d
[10:02] <Bob_Dole> Buh, the VM and the host can't agree on where the mouse is
[10:03] <bbordwell> bob_dole: What VM are you using
[10:03] <Bob_Dole> VirtualBox
[10:03] <bbordwell> ya thats what i use and I have not had problems
[10:03] <Bob_Dole> and I'm using it on my server I'm VNC'd into with x11vnc and ssvncviewer
[10:04] <JEEB> heya, can anyone tell me how hard it is to install Japanese input onto Kubuntu 10.04?
[10:04] <bbordwell> JEEB: there is already a large selection of keyboard inputs in the default install, is it not there?
[10:05] <joe_> been away, but noticed a post that updates should be available now, and have yet to see an update notification on my beta system. something I need to do? Or keep waiting?
[10:05] <JEEB> bbordwell, so it's gotten closer to the way getting it to work on the GNOME side? As in, selecting the wished input method editor from the language settings and then using ctrl+space to turn it on/off?
[10:06] <JEEB> ibus is what I've been using from Ubuntu 9.10
[10:06] <bbordwell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM
[10:06] <bbordwell> try that page and see if it helps
[10:07] <Bob_Dole> I'll mess with it more later when tiredness and painmeds aren't clouding my mind.
[10:07] <JEEB> hmm, that page is rather old and the current default on ubuntu is ibus anyways, so.. :3 (the Kubuntu side of that article is even older AFAICS)
[10:08] <JEEB> I'll have to try it on a live setup later on
[10:09] <bbordwell> JEEB
[10:10] <bbordwell> I am looking now and it appears that Japanese is supported by default on ibus
[10:10] <JEEB> yeah, if you have the language packages installed you can easily set it up
[10:10] <JEEB> I was just looking for info if it's as easy to install/set-up as on ubuntu nowadays
[10:11] <JEEB> because on ubuntu you just select your input method as ibus, install the .jp packages and select anthy in ibus to be your default
[10:11] <JEEB> no command-line editing etc. needed
[10:12] <bbordwell> ah, but it is more difficult in Kubuntu?
[10:12] <JEEB> It at least used to be
[10:12] <JEEB> Which is why I asked
[10:12] <JEEB> I guess I'll get an iso tonight ;)
[10:12] <bbordwell> ok then i am afraid i cannot help you as i am running ubuntu
[10:12] <JEEB> no problem :)
[10:12] <JEEB> I'm mainly using ubuntu too
[10:12] <JEEB> I'm just seeing how easy it'd be to possibly move to kubuntu etc.
[10:13] <bbordwell> the beta just came out yesterday so its a good time to try out a livecd
[10:13] <JEEB> giving options to people is a good thing :)
[10:13] <JEEB> yah, I'm thinking of re-installing my lucid eeepc because the intel 915 drivers don't work correctly
[10:13] <JEEB> (on a bug report someone said that it seems to work for him now, but I still get the crash of a python script and all that shenanigans)
[10:14] <bbordwell> Luckily i have never had driver problems
[10:15] <JEEB> Yah, the 915 intel graphics adapter seems to be the unlucky one this time
[10:15] <JEEB> produced some hilarious stuff with compiz on
[10:15] <bbordwell> yes i have read about it
[10:15] <JEEB> http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4880/bugslol.png
[10:15] <bbordwell> intel is typically good at writing linux drivers
[10:16] <JEEB> yah
[10:17] <rye> JEEB - could you please check that you don't have mirror/rotation RANDR applied now?
[10:17] <rye> 'cause it looks like this, except of the decorations... hmmmm
[10:17] <JEEB> rye, where could I check that? I haven't edited x / compiz configuration files by hand at all
[10:21] <rye> JEEB to reset to normal -  "xrandr -o normal"  if that is normal then try reflecting the screen - xrandr --output LVDS --reflect xy
[10:22] <agitdd99> hello all anybody have got new update now? how about the nautilus and gnome-panel thing?
[10:22] <rye> JEEB, well, before that you might need to see what's the name of your output - xrandr w/o params, smth like LVDS-1 might be there
[10:22] <bbordwell> agitdd99: it is fixed
[10:22] <bbordwell> may take a while to get to update servers
[10:22] <bbordwell> but i have the working updates on my system
[10:23] <JEEB> rye, thanks -- I might try that later on, but I'm going to re-install my current system to get beta's default settings etc. anyways, so /o/
[10:23] <agitdd99> i am running the latest update now. hopefully fix my lucid also.
[10:23] <rye> JEEB, ah, ok
[10:24] <bbordwell> agitdd99: what version of gnome-panel is installed?
[10:24] <agitdd99> wait a second.
[10:24] <wgrant> -ubuntu3 is the fixed version of gnome-panel and nautilus.
[10:25] <wgrant> Er, -0ubuntu3
[10:25] <joe_> Is nautilus now fixed?
[10:25] <agitdd99> mine is -0ubuntu3
[10:26] <bbordwell> yes in version -0ubuntu3
[10:26] <bbordwell> then you should be good to go agitdd99
[10:26] <wgrant> nautilus and gnome-panel are fixed.
[10:26] <agitdd99> ok i have to restart then
[10:26] <wgrant> The rest of the related broken packages will be fixed for all architectures except sparc and armel in half an hour.
[10:26] <JEEB> nice
[10:33] <joe_> wgrant: Just noticed that nautilus& only keeps the desktop icons if the terminal screen remains open, I assume that is something that is fixed, but how do I apply the fixes? From Synaptic? Or do I have to wait for an update notification?
[10:33] <wgrant> joe_: That's because of the workaround.
[10:33] <wgrant> Force an update check in System->Administration->Update Manager
[10:46] <joe_> wgrant: I did an update check, found 27 files, 18.4MB to update, applied the updates successfully, and have no icons on the desktop, but the home folder icon now works. Should I have to run the 'nautilus &' command again? If so will the fix become permanent?
[10:46] <wgrant> joe_: Log out and in again.
[10:47] <Dr_Willis_> joe_:  DONTuse teh close button on the terminal. use the exit command
[10:47] <Dr_Willis_> nautilus &
[10:47] <Dr_Willis_> exit
[10:49] <joe_> wgrant: That worked. Sorry I have to ask so many questions. Everything appears normal at the moment.
[10:49] <wgrant> Excellent.
[10:50] <wgrant> The last batch of updates are about to come out.
[10:50] <wgrant> Then we just have to hope that everybody works out how to fix their systems.
[10:50] <acuster> Hey all, is there info somewhere on SSD support (and TRIM) in lucid?
[10:50] <rww> Look on the bright side, people might start believing me when I say betas aren't stable :)
[10:50] <wgrant> Heh.
[10:51] <wgrant> Well, betas make Ubuntu unstable.
[10:51] <acuster> what
[10:51] <wgrant> This would have been much much less of an issue for multiple reasons if the beta hadn't happened.
[10:51] <acuster> what's the name of the 'testdrive' package?
[10:51] <rww> acuster: testdrive
[10:51] <acuster> hmm, that's what I thought, so it's in a special repo?
[10:52] <Bittarman> wgrant, are you trying to say that ubuntu shouldnt do beta releases?
[10:52] <wgrant> Bittarman: No.
[10:52] <rww> acuster: it's in universe in Lucid
[10:52] <JEEB> also, a question on that MS virtualization thingy's drivers in kernel -- does my friend still have to rebuild his kernels on lucid, or is it fine to use, say, the default server kernels?
[10:52] <acuster> rww: but for koala, its where?
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> betas make ubuntu Unstable. :)
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> lets call them Gammas!
[10:52] <lenios> acuster, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:testdrive/ppa
[10:53] <acuster> thanks
[10:53] <Bittarman> betas are inherently unstable.. thats the whole point of a alpha / beta
[10:53] <Bittarman> to iron out the unstable bits, and fix bugs
[10:53] <Bittarman> instability is part of the nature of a beta
[10:54] <acuster> Gamma is typically *more* stable than beta
[10:55] <Bittarman> gamma is just the old name for a release candidate
[10:55] <Bittarman> the idea for those is that they should be stable
[10:57] <acuster> rww, lenios : thank you both
[10:57] <joe_> Will there be an Omega version?
[10:58] <gbachot> lucid beta seems to have ruined my power supply, now the battery is dead and i'm no longer able to start my laptop
[10:58] <Bittarman> joe_, nobodys used anything above beta for years... it generally goes to RC releases after beta.
[10:59] <Bittarman> gbachot, thats really really unlikely
[10:59] <gbachot> using my desktop now
[10:59] <Bittarman> grab a multimeter, check the vout of your charger
[11:00] <Bittarman> if its not the right voltage (as on the sticker on it) then its the powersupplys fault, not ubuntu
[11:00] <monkey_dust> i noticed that my screen was dimmer than it should be, last night
[11:01] <chris_debian> Hi, all! Running Xubuntu and they told me to ask my question here:  Just upgraded to Lucid and my sound has gone.  Anyone know where to change the settings? I suspect PulseAudio has taken over.
[11:01] <Bittarman> monkey_dust, thats probably because you were running on battery, thus discharging it
[11:01] <Bittarman> most laptops auto-dim when you disconnect the powersupply
[11:02] <monkey_dust> yes, it was running on battery, because the power supply did not work
[11:02] <Bittarman> well a powersupply is a dumb switch-mode device, its not really possible for an OS to break it
[11:02] <Bittarman> so go check the voltage output
[11:02] <wgrant> They're not really dumb any more.
[11:03] <joe_> I appreciate everyones help, and will exit for now and see how 10.04 performs. If any further problems I may have to check in again if I can't resolve them myself. Thanks again to all
[11:03] <joe_> .
[11:03] <wgrant> But it is still impossible for an OS to break it.
[11:03] <Bittarman> wgrant, with regard to what comes up the wire, its just DC voltage
[11:03] <tushar> compiz how to make 3d and all active
[11:03] <monkey_dust> laptop sighs and crackles but won't even get to the BIOS
[11:04] <Bittarman> monkey_dust, then probably its a coincidence
[11:04] <Bittarman> if your psu blew out, it could have taken the charging circuit with it
[11:04] <Bittarman> which would stop your laptop booting.
[11:04] <Bittarman> check the voltage of the powersupply
[11:05] <chris_debian> Guys, I need help with my sound after upgrade; can anyone spare a moment?
[11:05] <vega_> !ask | chris_debian
[11:06] <chris_debian> I did ask and nobody responded, so thought you were busy. Just upgraded to Lucid and my sound has gone.  Anyone know where to change the settings? I suspect PulseAudio has taken over.
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> pulse audio is the default.. so it should be taking over..
[11:08] <chris_debian> Great, but I no longer have sound.
[11:08] <vega_> also, not very difficult to browse through menus to find sound settings..
[11:08] <chris_debian> And I didn't find it!
[11:09] <vega_> gnome?
[11:09] <chris_debian> As stated earlier, xubuntu. The xubuntu channel asked me to ask here as it's an upgrade question.
[11:10] <vega_> never used xfce..
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> i cant stand xfce
[11:10] <vega_> but you could check with alsamixer that everything is unmuted first of all
[11:10] <vega_> also the IEC**** stuff, if you use digital output
[11:11] <tushar> how do i make the 3d effects on my compiz
[11:11] <tushar> and also how to see the video drivers in my comp
[11:11] <chris_debian> Ok, I played with the hidden mixer settings and it's working, now. I appreciate you are all busy, but I did check the menus and I did Google around.  I've been doing this for a while.
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> hidden mixer?
[11:12] <vega_> heh
[11:13] <vega_> why do people upgrade to alpha/beta if they can't fix/stand broken things..
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> same reason i see beginners in #ubuntu wanting to compile stuff from source to 'learn' but they dont want tolearn the basics first...
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:14] <Bob_Dole> I can't stand broken stuff all that well, I regret having upgraded to 9.10 a few weeks after it was officially released.
[11:14] <wgrant> Bob_Dole: You had no problems.
[11:15] <wgrant> Any that you think you had are a figment of your imagination until you report them.
[11:15] <Bob_Dole> well, some of my problems weren't bugs
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> PEBKAC?
[11:15] <Bittarman> if its not a bug, then its not "broken stuff"
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:16] <Milos_SD> Hi
[11:16] <Milos_SD> I have a problem with NFS
[11:16] <Bob_Dole> I still have no idea how I'd report pieces of audio replaying, so that the boimp error sound becomes boimp boi boi boi.
[11:16] <Milos_SD> when I try to start nfs-kernel-server
[11:16] <Milos_SD> it says
[11:16] <Milos_SD> * Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel.
[11:16] <Bob_Dole> ANd nothing obviously setting it off besides time, and even the time being random
[11:16] <Milos_SD> and I know I have support for it in kernel
[11:17] <jhaig> Just installed the beta.  Where is the ssh server?  I cannot find the openssh-server package.
[11:18] <Bob_Dole> sudo apt-get install ssh
[11:18] <AnAnt> Hello, is anyone able to run lucid beta desktop ISO on virtualbox
[11:18] <Bob_Dole> AnAnt, yes
[11:19] <AnAnt> Bob_Dole: doesn't work here
[11:19] <AnAnt> same for alpha3
[11:19] <jhaig> Bob_Dole: Package ssh has no installation candidates
[11:20] <Bob_Dole> define "doesn't work"
[11:20] <Bob_Dole> jhaig, let me fire up VB and let me see what I can find
[11:20] <AnAnt> Bob_Dole: I got the first screen, if I press ESC , I get a menu asking wether to install or run without installing or ...
[11:20] <AnAnt> Bob_Dole: now when I select to run without installing, I get a blank screen, and that's it
[11:20] <AnAnt> I've been waiting for quite a while
[11:21] <Bob_Dole> hmm
[11:21] <sulle> how can i change my mouse sensitivity? i have done so i the prefrences, but it is not enough.
[11:21] <LinuxGuy2009> gconf-editor launcher has been removed from the list in the menu editor? So Ill just have to manually make a launcher for it. Just want to check if this is suposed to be a known change and not a bug.
[11:21] <Bob_Dole> I'm not really in any shape to be helping. I'm rather tired and loaded up on pain medications
[11:24] <LinuxGuy2009> Someone verify this change?
[11:24] <jhaig> I'm fairly sure the ssh server package used to be called openssh-server, but only openssh-client is available.
[11:25]  * Bob_Dole is currently running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ssh
[11:25] <Bob_Dole> It worked
[11:26] <vega_> in karmic i have openssh-server
[11:26] <jhaig> Hmmm, I'm fairly sure I did an update after installing.  I'll try that.
[11:26] <Bob_Dole> so, try that command exactly, jhaig.
[11:26] <jhaig> Thanks.
[11:27]  * zash gets this http://p.zash.se/0aEpIw.txt on booting Lucid on a old P4
[11:28] <jhaig> OK, I'm doing the update and seeing it updating from lots of sites using 'karmic'.  Is this expected?
[11:28] <jhaig> Doh!  This is a karmic VM.  :-)
[11:29] <jhaig> (and, by the way, update followed by install ssh worked.  Thanks)
[11:30]  * monkey_dust is currently in a bad mood, laptop is ruined
[11:31] <Bob_Dole> ?
[11:33] <jhaig> Bob_Dole: If that '?' was directed at me, I was getting confused between two VMs I am testing things on.  One running Lucid and another running Karmic.
[11:33] <Bob_Dole> Oh, no, it was at monkey_dust
[11:34] <jhaig> and I want ssh because the VMware console is being such a pain to use.
[11:34] <Bob_Dole> I'm having slight issues with my lucid VM, namely it and the host still aren't agreeing on where the mouse is.
[11:42] <Nagato> hello) i bought a laptop (sony vaio vpceb1e1r/wi) and installed ubuntu 10.04 (also checked on 9.10). wireless connection is fine, but wired doesn't work - ifconfig -a shows lo, pan0 and wlan0, but no eth0, what should i do?
[11:44] <coachj> getting error as I try to boot the 10.4 live CD:init: unreadhead-other main process (1112, 1113,1114) treminated ststus 4,
[11:45] <zash> coachj: like http://p.zash.se/0aEpIw.txt ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/517770
[11:45] <coachj> looking
[11:49] <coachj> yep that's the one, so is there a work around or something?
[11:50] <zash> coachj: duno, would like to know that too :(
[11:50] <coachj> glad i didn't run upgrade
[11:50] <zash> coachj: what hardware do you have?
[11:51] <coachj> old MB is asus A7N8x
[11:51] <coachj> only 529k ram 9.10 works great though!
[11:52] <coachj> you?
[11:52]  * zash got in on a compaq 8k P4 1.7GHz w/ 512M RAM
[11:53] <coachj> gues n we have to wait for next beta
[11:54]  * zash will dl and try the alternate
[11:54] <coachj> I'll look 4 you here to see how it went, maybe ill do same
[12:06] <bac> wgrant: is the warning NOTE in the channel topic still accurate?  things are fixed now, right?
[12:08] <wgrant> bac: We pushed the fixes out a couple of hours ago now. If you're on the main mirror or something reasonably synced, you'll be fine.
[12:08] <wgrant> gnome-panel and nautilus -0ubuntu1 and -0ubuntu3 are fine
[12:08] <wgrant> -0ubuntu2 will break.
[12:08] <bac> wgrant: thx
[12:24] <hdpb> I have no response from Synaptics touchpad with Beta.  I have been running Lucid since Alpha 3.  Any suggestions?
[12:28] <kblin> hi folks
[12:28] <kblin> so, how do I tell grub2 to not use a framebuffer?
[12:28] <kblin> luckily I did install a ssh server, so I have access to that box despite the screen being black
[12:33] <Milos_SD> Hi
[12:33] <freefall> Hi!
[12:33] <Milos_SD> Why openoffice quickstart icon is not showed in my notification area? I have it turn on in options :S
[12:51] <IdleOne> I don't see why ubuntu installs nvidia packages when I don't have nvidia
[12:52] <IdleOne> isn't there a way for the package manager to know what hardware I am using and only install packages that are needed?
[12:53] <coachj> zash: have Dl and tried it yet?
[12:54] <penguin42> IdleOne: You can strip most stuff out again if you need to; it does mean that by default some neat things tend to work - e.g. like moving your disk to a completely different computer or replacing your graphics card
[12:55] <IdleOne> penguin42: true, but I was hoping to keep cruft to a minimum
[12:56] <penguin42> IdleOne: Yeh, as I say you can remove packages as long as you are careful
[12:56] <IdleOne> "cruft" unneeded packages
[12:56] <IdleOne> penguin42: well I removed only the specific nvidia packages and not the other packages that also came up in Synaptic search
[13:04] <paolop> hello all! Just upgraded from kubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 beta but now I can't see the desktop, what can I do to fix it?
[13:05] <guntbert> paolop: see the /topic - bug!
[13:08] <penguin42> guntbert: Is that actually in the beta image or just in the updates after it?
[13:08] <paolop> guntbert: I'm on KDE
[13:13] <paulo> Hey there, I wan't to know if Ubuntu Lucid already fixed the bug #459716 problem.
[13:16] <qense> Is there a GUI for reading debian-policy and ubuntu-policy? I saw that 'yelp' depends on 'librarian0' and the two policies depend on 'doc-base', which depends on 'rarian-compat'. But I can't find those two documents in Yelp.
[13:20] <hdpb> Synaptics touchpad broke for me with beta.  had been fine updating thru alpha 3.  haven't updated to beta yet bc of this issue on usb iso.  any suggestions to fix the issue?
[13:24] <monkey_dust> is there a channel for bluetooth specific questions?
[13:27] <setuid> Anyone having trouble since last night's update? I updated, and now none of my previously-working kernels boot successfully... they all crash at boot time, right after fsck'ing the filesystem.
[13:27] <setuid> init=/bin/bash produces a "shell-like" interface, but says "Inappropriate ioctl for device" and drops the first keystroke of everything I type... so "ls" has to be typed as "<space>ls" to work
[13:28] <setuid> I can't get it to boot cleanly at all, every boot trashes the fs
[13:28] <monkey_dust> setuid, i had the same issue, solution: take power supply, take out battery, press power button, connect power supply, solved
[13:28] <setuid> monkey_dust, Nope, that didn't help
[13:28] <monkey_dust> it worked for me, it's a hardware reset
[13:29] <setuid> Since when has a software upgrade required a hardware reset? I've booted this laptop thousands of times under these kernels without any issues.
[13:29] <Bittarman> setuid, they dont
[13:30] <setuid> I'll have to take a photo of what I see on the screen and upload it... I can't make sense of it, it's not a kernel crash I've ever seen before.
[13:30] <setuid> Looks like sometihng deep in the scheduler
[13:30] <monkey_dust> setuid, i only know it worked for me
[13:31] <setuid> Your problem was apparently completely different, but I'm glad you found a fix.
[13:31] <monkey_dust> my laptop did not even make it to the BIOS
[13:34] <setuid> Yes, your issue was completely different and unrelated to the issue that last night's pacakge update introduced.
[13:52] <diverse_izzue> any thinkpad people here?
[13:53] <rsk> diverse_izzue i would suggest to go to thinkwiki it's a really good resource for tp's
[13:54] <benovic> will gvfs-fuse be replaced by something else? i get a message about obsolete packages, but no upgrade will install new ones
[13:55] <diverse_izzue> rsk, i know thinkwiki. i wanted to ask about a few bugs i'm experiencing whether other tp'ers also have them
[13:59] <mrdeadlocked> In order for me to load the 10.4 beta livecd i had to run with 'other options' NODMRAID+NOMODESET I want to try it installed, but in grub how do i add these flags.
[14:04] <Do``> is there a way to remove the email icon from the new indicator applet?
[14:05] <Aren> Do``: Can't you right click on it and go to Remove, like in Hardy?
[14:06] <Do``> i dont want to remove the applet as that's the only way to add volume control to the panel
[14:06] <monkey_dust> duffydack, no it deletes the indicator applet completely
[14:06] <Do``> i just want to remove the useless things from it
[14:06] <Do``> it has rhythmbox, volume control and an email icon on it
[14:06] <monkey_dust> idd
[14:06] <Do``> out of those 3, only the email is useless
[14:07] <paulo> Hey there, I wan't to know if Ubuntu Lucid already fixed the bug #459716 problem.
[14:07] <Do``> but the icons have huge padding and i need the extra room
[14:07] <duffydack> monkey_dust, what?
[14:08] <mrdeadlocked> how do i edit grub entries? i need to make NODMRAID and nomodeset default so i can boot into ubuntu
[14:09] <duffydack> Do``, can you unlock and move them ?
[14:09] <Do``> duffydack: no, they move as one, it's a single applet that has 3 icons in it and no way to configure them separately
[14:10] <Do``> exactly like the notification applet
[14:10] <duffydack> Do``, You could also remove the menu to the left (applications places system) and replace with the other single icon main menu (add to panel - Main Menu)
[14:10] <diverse_izzue> Do``, maybe you can just uninstall the message-indicator package?
[14:11] <Do``> duffydack: http://i.imgur.com/DePu5.jpg
[14:11] <Do``> diverse_izzue: i'll check
[14:12] <Do``> no such package installed or non-installed
[14:12] <Machtin> what should i do to stop vsftpd from launching after every boot? i just want to launch it via "start vsftpd" or the init.d-script..
[14:13] <Do``> duffydack: sorry, wrong link, here's the good one: http://imgur.com/IoECr.jpg
[14:16] <kklimonda> why there are no nvidia drviers 185 for lucid?
[14:16] <monkey_dust> because it's only a beta?
[14:17] <kklimonda> that answer doesn't make sense
[14:17] <monkey_dust> that's why i put a question mark
[14:19] <hdpb> How can i troubleshoot an unresponsive touchpad in Beta?  It has worked since alpha 3 and now doesn't
[14:28] <bjsnider> kklimonda, the 185 bob is deprecated in favour of the 195
[14:28] <bjsnider> blob
[14:28] <om26er> NOTE: DO NOT UPGRADE atm - Auto-starting of GNOME is currently broken (Bug #542343)
[14:28] <om26er> is this one statement
[14:29] <mrdeadlocked> Is there an option to change the oreientation of the close/minimize buttons from left to right
[14:30] <thiebaude> gconf-editor
[14:30] <om26er> i get this http://pastebin.com/JjuTzZmF when I upgrade
[14:30] <kklimonda> bjsnider: it's not supported by nvidia anymore?
[14:30] <bjsnider> correct
[14:30] <tgpraveen12> mrdeadlocked: search on google for that
[14:30] <tgpraveen12> there are many posts with gconf commands for that
[14:31] <hdpb> mrdeadlocked: ubuntutweak also has a gui for it
[14:31] <mrdeadlocked> Thanks. I need the gconf. I tried looking up all i could find was articles about people hating it and democracy yadda yadda. Thanks
[14:33] <arand> mrdeadlocked: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633 has workaround
[14:34] <guntbert> mrdeadlocked: /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[14:34] <kklimonda> bjsnider: and what is the plan for nouveau and cards that are not supported by it? some sort of blacklist?
[14:35] <mrdeadlocked> gconf and i moved a : :-)
[14:35] <mrdeadlocked> thanks for the help
[14:36] <bjsnider> kklimonda, i would think the user would choose vesa during the first boot and then be prompted to install nvidia-current by jockey when they get to the desktop. but the same problem exists with the nv driver except that it supports even less hardware reliably
[14:36] <pitwalker> how can i enable the grub's menu?
[14:39] <MikeChelen> hold shift at boot
[14:40] <guntbert> pitwalker: fore once ^^ or permanent?
[14:43] <pitwalker> i want permanently, because i want to attach od independent things
[14:43] <pitwalker> ...os independent...
[14:44] <penguin42> pitwalker: Edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub
[14:44] <guntbert> pitwalker: in that case edit /etc/default/grub , comment out the line GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 and run update-grub
[14:45] <penguin42> oh, there's also the answer to an earlier question about how to disable the graphical terminal
[14:45] <pitwalker> thanks
[14:46] <diverse_izzue> Do`` it's called indicator-messages
[14:47] <petsounds> hi all. if The Mana World is not running smooth in Lucid beta, is this the problem with nvidia driver or something else? thanks
[14:50] <pitwalker> i have serious problems with xorg, how can i enable ctrl+alt+backspace?
[14:51] <arand> pitwalker: in advance keyboard preferences, or use alt+sysreq+k instead
[14:52] <CalmvsKhaos> 9 times out of 10 for me, when x goes out so does my keyboard so ANY combo of those above are useless to me and i have to end up pressing the power button lol
[14:54] <guntbert> arand: where is adavanced keyboard preferences to be found?
[14:54] <hdpb> what time does the daily show up for download?
[14:54] <SanderX> Hello, I am trying to boot Ubuntu 10.4 and it loads, but when it is supposed to go to the desktop it just shows some black stripes and other graphic error stuff. I am using a ATI Mobility Radeon HD4650, is this a driver error?
[14:55] <diverse_izzue> keyboard->layout->options
[14:55] <Do``> diverse_izzue: thanks, that solved the issue
[14:55] <diverse_izzue> SanderX, presumably
[14:55] <diverse_izzue> SanderX, you can try and boot with radeon.modeset=0 and see if that helps
[14:55] <arand> guntbert: System>preferences>keyboard^layout→layout options→key sequence to kill the X server
[14:55] <SanderX> Thank you, I'll try that :)
[14:56] <singh> Hi everyone
[14:56] <singh> Just installed Ubuntu 10.04 beta1
[14:56] <guntbert> arand: thx
[14:57] <arand> guntbert: I've never tried if that works, but I assume it should...
[14:57] <singh> Having little problem, is there anyone kind enough to help me?
[14:57] <diverse_izzue> singh, don't ask to ask, just ask
[14:57] <arand> !ask | singh
[14:57] <pitwalker> singh: hi
[14:58] <guntbert> arand: thats ok - I never stumbled upon that dialog before :)
[14:58] <singh> After I login I just see the wallpaper. No panels, nothing other than the wallpaper
[14:59] <om26er> singh: its a bug that is fixed
[14:59] <om26er> singh: but probably you need to update
[14:59] <holstein> Bug #542343
[15:00] <pitwalker> apt-get install xfce4-session xfce4-panel
[15:00] <singh> om26er: I did Alt+F1 and "sudo apt-get update", then I restart gdm, but same thing
[15:00] <arand> singh: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434160 also
[15:00] <pitwalker> fixed but repos are slow
[15:00] <pitwalker> you can use a good xfce4
[15:00] <om26er> pitwalker: how about lxde?
[15:01] <pitwalker> i don't try
[15:03] <pitwalker> ALT+SYSRQ+K works, but after TTY changes not works anymore
[15:05] <JEEBsv> hmm... anyone else here on Kubuntu 10.04? I'm checking out the country / region & language stuff, and it sure isn't having an option to set any input methods such as ibus :3
[15:07] <pitwalker> anyone knows the "init" command?
[15:08] <singh> OK the advise in the newsgroup helped. Do Alt+Ctrl+T and then run gnome-panel
[15:10] <pitwalker> what is alt+ctrl+t? alt+f2 a run dialog ut works only when gnome-panel runs correctly
[15:10] <singh> Alt+Ctrl+T brings up  a terminal window
[15:11] <singh> Alt+Ctrl+T brings up  a terminal window
[15:11] <singh> Alt+Ctrl+T brings up  a terminal window
[15:11] <singh> Alt+Ctrl+T brings up  a terminal window
[15:11] <singh> ?
[15:11] <singh> sorry for that!
[15:12] <git__> anyone here use zsync to download lucid?
[15:12] <singh> bye guys, thanks for all help
[15:12] <pitwalker> bye
[15:13] <ChogyDan> git__: I was at some point I think
[15:14] <git__> i'm using it right now to grab the latest build
[15:23] <vish> !newunitspolicy
[15:26] <kklimonda> heh
[15:26] <kklimonda> haven't you taught bot this factoid yesterday? :)
[15:28] <vish> kklimonda: it seems absent minded ;)
[15:30] <rros> In firefox the blue text in the autocomplete dropdown is unreadable: http://i44.tinypic.com/hx89pk.png How can I change this?
[15:30] <thedoor> yeaaaah the panels bug has ben fixed :D
[15:30] <vish> !newunitspolicy is <reply> Ubuntu has changed its units policy ,in Lucid,to maintain consistency. The units now follow the SI standards [ base-10 ]. For more information about the new units policy, kindly read : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[15:31] <kklimonda> !factoid
[15:32] <vish> kklimonda: seems ubottu lied to me yesterday.. so had to add it again ;)
[15:32] <pitwalker> rros: gone-panel's menu -system -preferences -appearance -clearlooks
[15:32] <rros> ok, but I like the new default theme
[15:32] <pitwalker> ambiance thele is LOL, not for use
[15:32] <pitwalker> LOL
[15:33] <kklimonda> !newunitspolicy
[15:33] <kklimonda> vish: btw, can we add some alias to this factoid? I'm expecting it being quite popular ;)
[15:33] <vish> kklimonda: what do you suggest?
[15:34] <kklimonda>  !units would be better imo
[15:34] <kklimonda> or !just_stop_asking or !we_know_you_don't_like_it ;)
[15:34] <vish> kklimonda: "units" seems kinda weird..
[15:34] <zniavre> rros, you can add something like that into the ambiance gtkrc >	GtkWidget ::link-color = "#3666ef"
[15:34] <ZykoticK9> what about a "kb", or more accurately "kB" alias?
[15:35] <zniavre> it makes links easier to read in dark menu
[15:35] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9: kB is used for base-10 units
[15:36] <hdpb> i lost Synaptics touchpad with beta, but it's worked fine since alpha 1.  any idea how to troubleshoot?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> hdpb: i reported that bug a few days ago
[15:38] <mnemo> how can I verify that a sync from Debian is safe? i.e. how can I fetch the Debian package and build it on Ubuntu ?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> hdpb: the issue was present in jaunty as well.. the mouse jumped all over the place
[15:38] <hdpb> Shades
[15:38] <shadeslayer> hdpb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/541868
[15:39] <Some_Person> Is it safe to upgrade yet?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> hdpb: if we keep on commenting the bug is sure to get some attention
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Some_Person: yes and no
[15:39] <zniavre> rros, it gives something like that > http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2059/capture1xn.png
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Some_Person: if you have hardware that is unsupported in karmic and works for sure in lucid,upgrade else just wait for the final release
[15:40] <ZykoticK9> question is not for me: is it possible to separate the mail and sound icons in indicator-applet?
[15:41] <rros> zniavre, ok that's way better :) I was looking into userchrome.css in firefox, but this seems easier
[15:41] <Some_Person> shadeslayer: Not what I mean
[15:41] <marginoferror> That topic is out of date
[15:41] <marginoferror> GNOME is fixed
[15:42] <ZykoticK9> marginoferror, +1
[15:42] <Some_Person> I mean, is the gnome-panel/nautilus issue from last night fixed?
[15:42] <hdpb> shadeslayer: i have no movement/response at all and haven't had issues til beta...  thought it was weird that it would break there  i'll keep commenting.
[15:42] <marginoferror> Some_Person, yes.  I just updated and it works fine
[15:42] <kklimonda> Some_Person: it is
[15:42] <Some_Person> Then why does my system still want to do a "partial upgrade"?
[15:42] <marginoferror> That's normal in testing versions.  Just type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[15:43] <marginoferror> Does anyone have fglrx working?  I am getting conflicting reports on whether it works or not
[15:43] <hdpb> shadeslayer: are you just living with it at this point?
[15:44] <Some_Person> The partial upgrade says it will remove f-spot, gnome-disk-utility, gvfs-backends, gvfs-bin, gvfs-fuse, nautilus-share, and usb-creator-gtk
[15:44] <Some_Person> I somehow doubt that's normal
[15:44] <marginoferror> I don't know what that has to do with the bug.  A dist-upgrade should work, it did for me.
[15:45] <vish> !buttons is <reply> The titlebar buttons have switched to the left during the development phase of Lucid. No need for alarm! The developers are testing this and listening to user feedback. The final decision about the position will be made after beta. Kindly be patient. For more insight , kindly read : http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281
[15:45] <shadeslayer> hdpb: yeah kind of... i have a external mouse
[15:45] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, a little while ago some in #ubuntu mentioned having a problem with gvfs
[15:45] <marginoferror> Oh, good, that decision hasn't been made yet.  I don't like the new button placement at all =x
[15:46] <shadeslayer> hdpb: it works perfectly on some boots...while on others its horrible
[15:46] <shadeslayer> hdpb: oh and switching to the nvidia driver helped... dunno how though.. maybe because of the xorg.conf... not sure there
[15:47] <ZykoticK9> I'd like to propose a bike shed factoid for the button placement issue :)
[15:47] <hdpb> shadeslayer: i don't (unless I steal it from my wife - read "death") - so I haven't upgraded yet...  just tried the iso via usb 1st
[15:47] <Some_Person> Should I do anything about this "partial upgrade" crap?
[15:48] <hdpb> shadeslayer: waiting for the daily and I'll try usb again and see what happens...
[15:48] <shadeslayer> hdpb: yeah better not upgrade right now if you have the synaptic touchpad
[15:48] <shadeslayer> hdpb: ill poke the guys in ubuntu-x to do something about it
[15:48] <hdpb> shadeslayer: poke hard ;)
[15:49]  * shadeslayer gets a iron stick and enters #ubuntu-X
[15:49] <hdpb> shadeslayer: i'm fairly new to U, but learn by playing around - hence jumping in @ Alpha - NICE!
[15:49] <shadeslayer> hdpb: btw you run gnome or KDE?
[15:50] <hdpb> gnome
[15:50] <shadeslayer> hdpb: ah ok then its not the kcm touchpad module in kde
[15:50] <joe_> ZykoticK9: The button issue can be changed using gconf-editor.  I didn't like the new placement either.
[15:51] <hdpb> shadeslayer: so where should I go next?
[15:51] <BoondoKLife> Some_Person: Are you still prompted for a partial?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> hdpb: join us in #ubuntu-x
[15:52] <ZykoticK9> joe_, when the gconf-editor keys where released, i created some gconftool-2 scripts to change them back and forth http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[15:55] <chiggavel> Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release  Unable to find expected entry  multiverse/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) why im geting this
[15:55] <coachj> does anyone know if using the alternate install CD will avoid the error init: ureadahead-other main process (1515) terminated with status 4
[15:55] <ZykoticK9> chiggavel, coachj i'm guessing you both upgraded?
[15:56] <coachj> no
[15:56] <coachj> just get the arror trying to run the live CD
[15:56] <chiggavel> ZykoticK9 im yes
[15:57] <joe_> I'm still having a problem accessing my NAS drives. After reinstalling gvfs-backends it gets to an 'Opening "NAS"' GUI message, but goes no further. Anyone got that to work yet?
[15:57] <chiggavel> and after new upgrades i see pc eating more cpu
[15:57] <chiggavel> updates*
[15:58] <Some_Person> BoondoKLife: Yes
[15:58] <chiggavel> using kernel linux 2.6.32-16-generic-pea
[15:58] <chiggavel> pae*
[15:59] <LADmaticCA> has anyone else experienced an unresponsive desktop on a fresh install of beta 1?
[15:59] <BoondoKLife> Some_Person: That is very odd. I know my wife did the partial and since this mornings new updates, it is fine.
[15:59] <BoondoKLife> I didnt do the partial and my system updated just fine this morning too.
[16:00] <ZykoticK9> Bug #542343
[16:00] <Some_Person> BoondoKLife: I never did the partial because it says it will remove f-spot, gnome-disk-utility, gvfs-backends, gvfs-bin, gvfs-fuse, nautilus-share, and usb-creator-gtk
[16:01] <BoondoKLife> Some_Person: Hmm lemme log into her machine see if she has those.
[16:02] <Some_Person> It said it would remove even more yesterday (including evolution)
[16:05] <BoondoKLife> Some_Person: Ok yea she has evolution and fspot. But just to be safe you could wait till it is no longer a partial. Not sure why my box isnt showing a partial though.
[16:05] <BoondoKLife> Some_Person: Maybe the mirror your hitting is missing a package
[16:05] <Some_Person> I'm hitting the main server
[16:06] <BoondoKLife> Some_Person: Hrm that is intresting but outta ideas here.
[16:07] <dutchie> is it safe to upgrade yet?
[16:07] <Some_Person> woah, something's severely wrong now
[16:07] <almoxarife> can someone tell me the diff between karmic and lucid at the system level, and if it is possible to update karmic into a lucid like level, not complete upgrade??
[16:08] <Some_Person> I opened file-roller, and now my gnome-panel is flickering like hell
[16:09] <Some_Person> nautilus keeps crashing now too
[16:09] <coachj> dutchie: I would say no
[16:09] <Some_Person>  I guess I'll try restarting X
[16:11] <tcsoccerman> so does ipod and iphone work yet?
[16:11] <dutchie> my nano 2g used to work in karmic
[16:11] <dutchie> it depends on model iirc
[16:11] <MaximLevitsky-v1> just asking, how to bring the menu buttons back to right?
[16:12] <tcsoccerman> i'm talking about lucid lynx supporting ipod touches and iphones.
[16:12] <arand> MaximLevitsky-v1: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633 has workaround
[16:12] <tcsoccerman> google maxim
[16:12] <MaximLevitsky-v1> I dislike that because its is ala-MAC
[16:12] <MaximLevitsky-v1> can't say that new order is worse
[16:12] <tcsoccerman> maxim a simple google search will help you
[16:13] <guntbert> MaximLevitsky-v1:  /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[16:13] <guntbert> MaximLevitsky-v1: with gconf-editor
[16:13] <kklimonda> MaximLevitsky-v1: aren't the icon on the right side ala-Windows?
[16:13] <MaximLevitsky-v1> Folks, sorry for stupid question
[16:14] <Some_Person> Well, now I know that opening "Archive Mounter" (it wasn't file-roller) borks gnome-ppanel
[16:14] <denis> hi. i've just installed 10.04 and i can't find /boot/grub/menu.lst . where's it?
[16:14] <MaximLevitsky-v1> kklimonda: yes, but there is bug differene
[16:14] <guntbert> !grub2 | denis
[16:14] <tcsoccerman> is it a bad idea to copy my documents to an external hard drive and do a fresh reinstall when 10.04 comes out?
[16:14] <ukebane> haha, funny note, if only I saw that before upgrading yesterday :P
[16:14] <tcsoccerman> or will i regret it?
[16:15] <MaximLevitsky-v1> kklimonda: when you copy something that is very common, then you can assume to recieve no credit for this
[16:16] <MaximLevitsky-v1> kklimonda: and you can always say that we do that because we want to be compatible...bla..bla
[16:16] <MaximLevitsky-v1> kklimonda: but not everyone knows mac os, so copying from it is bad
[16:17] <MaximLevitsky-v1> kklimonda: sure MS does the same, but someone doing something bad, is no excuse
[16:17] <nishanth> i have a bug related to plymouth
[16:18] <nishanth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/537262
[16:18] <kklimonda> nishanth: and?
[16:18] <nishanth> what is the fix?
[16:19] <nishanth> ubottu: it is the same bug....is there a fix?
[16:19] <Bittarman> nishanth, ubottu is a bot
[16:20] <nishanth> lol
[16:20] <Bittarman> and if there were a fix, it would be noted in the issue tracker
[16:21] <CyL> Hi folks, I 'll be deploying a fresh ubuntu install on a few machines (even thinking of making a local repo), and I would like to know if, even that 10.04 is still beta, it would be a safe options, to avoid the need of having to upgrade in less than two months
[16:21] <Bittarman> CyL, no.
[16:21] <guntbert> CyL: in my opinion no
[16:21] <nishanth> so is this issue resolved?
[16:21] <kklimonda> CyL: development release is never a safe option for the production machines
[16:21] <kklimonda> nishanth: it is not
[16:22] <guntbert> CyL: and you could opt to upgrade still later
[16:22] <Bittarman> nishanth, if the issue were resolved, it would be marked so
[16:23] <Bittarman> you have the link..  you have all the info
[16:23] <ugliefrog> i really dont see much of any cjanges except for the theme
[16:23] <mrdeadlocked> empathy doesnt seem to work on 10.04
[16:23] <CyL> Well, thanks for all the opinions... I have had some problems when upgrading from previous versions on my personal machine, I had to do a fresh install some times, do you guys think this would be a lesser issue when going from 9.10 to 10.04 whe it is release?
[16:23] <mrdeadlocked> or am i the only one experiencing a issue
[16:23] <kklimonda> mrdeadlocked: probably depends - empathy supports so many protocols..
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> CyL: you could wait about a month after 10.04 is released to be more sure that any remaining bugs are fixed
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> and then upgrade
[16:25] <mrdeadlocked> kklimonda i cant even get it to use any. When i enter my details I can never get passed the last apply option when you setup the network chat
[16:25] <nishanth> i hope this is resolved when they come out with the actual version of lucid
[16:26] <CyL> Ian_Corne: thanks for the advice...
[16:26] <kklimonda> mrdeadlocked: well, I've added a jabber account so it works
[16:26] <CyL> Thank you all folks, for your time and your kind answers
[16:26] <akio> Hey, I could swear I have changed the right setting in gconf, is there something wrong with having icons for all the buttons on the Gnome emnu?
[16:26] <akio> menu*
[16:27] <tgpraveen12> mrdeadlocked: i had the same problem
[16:28] <tgpraveen12> reinstalling might help
[16:28] <tgpraveen12> reinstalling empathy and it's dependencies
[16:28] <denis> hmm.. i can't find actual lines for WinXP anywhere in /etc/grub.d/ or /etc/default/grub
[16:28] <denis> grub2 does seem quite complicated :(
[16:28] <nishanth> can anyone tell me if there is a channel for compiz?
[16:29] <nishanth> i been trying to set up the cube
[16:29] <nishanth> no i mean the sphere
[16:29] <guntbert> nishanth: #compiz
[16:29] <nishanth> nobody responds there
[16:32] <denis> i can't find skype in ubuntu software center
[16:32] <kklimonda> denis: because we don't distribute it in our repositories
[16:32] <ZykoticK9> denis, it's no longer in medibuntu - get it direct from there site
[16:32] <shadeslayer> denis: you wont find it there
[16:32] <shadeslayer> denis: i think its in medibuntu...
[16:33] <BoondoKLife> denis: or just download it -> http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/
[16:33] <denis> ok, thanks
[16:37] <Some_Person> Seriously, am I the only one getting the "partial upgrade" crap?
[16:37] <ugliefrog> why does it say partial upgrade what causes that
[16:37] <akio> Does anyone here have experience with multi touch touchpads?
[16:38] <lifestream> Hey, I want to change to nVidia, so simple as going to jockey, right? but jockey doesn't come up
[16:39] <ChogyDan> Some_Person: why wouldn't you get that?  It just happens when packages change rather then upgrade
[16:40] <denis> medibuntu rep failed to install on 10.04 :(
[16:40] <guntbert> Some_Person: say "no" and try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[16:41] <histo> ugh can't open a windows share in lucid anymore with places > network
[16:41] <BoondoKLife> denis: Just download and install it, I have yet to find a reliable repo to get it from
[16:41] <denis> ok
[16:42] <kklimonda> Some_Person: partial upgrade is a normal thing during development
[16:42] <histo> Just installed smbfs maybe i'll have to relogin for it to start workign but I can moutn from comand line
[16:42] <Some_Person> kklimonda: Not when it wants to remove f-spot and  various other things
[16:43] <kklimonda> Some_Person: and? just don't do it and wait until archive is in a better shape..
[16:45] <denis> what's the most popular analog of  gtalk on ubuntu?
[16:45] <Some_Person> guntbert: http://paste.ubuntu.com/398382/
[16:46] <kklimonda> denis: by gtalk you mean client? then pidgin and empathy
[16:46] <Some_Person> guntbert: Is that safe to do?
[16:46] <guntbert> Some_Person: I never got any issues with safe-upgrade - so I'd say Yes
[16:46] <guntbert> Some_Person: but I'm no expert :-)
[16:46] <denis> yup, thanks
[16:47] <kklimonda> Some_Person: yes, it's safe
[16:48] <Some_Person> safe-upgrade wants to remove ca-certificates-java{u} devicekit-disks{u} dmraid{u} kpartx{u} libaccess-bridge-java{u} libaccess-bridge-java-jni{u} libamrnb3{u} libamrwb3{u} libboost1.38-dev{u} libdmraid1.0.0.rc16{u} libicu40{u} libparted1.8-12{u} tzdata-java{u}
[16:48] <Some_Person> that's normal?
[16:48] <histo> now I can't even copy a cd in the drive brasero freaks out
[16:49] <ChogyDan> Some_Person: you might be able to do: sudo apt-get upgrade ubuntu-desktop          that will maintain the main package, and tell you what is breaking
[16:49] <kklimonda> Some_Person: well - do you use software raid?
[16:49] <Some_Person> kklimonda: no
[16:50] <Some_Person> ChogyDan: That says it will hold back some packages, but not remove anything
[16:50] <kklimonda> Some_Person: you really should keep ubuntu-desktop installed during development
[16:50] <Some_Person> kklimonda: Who suggested I should remove it?
[16:51] <ChogyDan> Some_Person: the reason it tries to remove packages is because of those held back packages.  They are directly connected.  Sometimes it is just a matter of letting the archives fully build
[16:51] <kklimonda> Some_Person: but to answer your question - no package that you have pasted here is crucial for the system if you don't use software/fake raid
[16:52] <kklimonda> Some_Person: so you can remove them all
[16:52] <Some_Person> It wants to hold back dmsetup gnome-disk-utility gparted gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-bin gvfs-fuse libboost-dev libgdu0 parted usb-creator-common usb-creator-gtk
[16:53] <Some_Person> What I don't get is why does nobody else seem to be having this problem?
[16:54] <kklimonda> Some_Person: every system has a different set of packages
[16:54] <kklimonda> Some_Person: also it depends on the mirror you are using
[16:55] <Some_Person> I guess I won't do anything and wait and see if it gets solved on its own on the server end
[16:55] <Some_Person> I'm using the main server
[16:55] <guntbert> Some_Person:  be sure - it *will* get solved
[16:57] <psusi> probably because nobody else is trying to upgrade since the topic says not to?
[16:58] <Some_Person> psusi: I assume the topic is because of the gnome-panel/nautilus issue from last night which I was told is now solved
[16:59] <psusi> oh is it?  you'd think they would change the topic if it were
[16:59] <abhinav> I did
[16:59] <ChogyDan> I actually upgraded just now, and I can see the fixed package for gnome-panel
[17:00] <abhinav> because the release notes did not mention this prominently enough .. if at all :)
[17:00] <abhinav> gnome issue is fixed I think .. I just updated. But compiz doesn't seem to be working ..
[17:00] <abhinav> probably because of Bug #494699 ?
[17:05] <ChogyDan> abhinav: so wait, does that mean ATI cards are supported?
[17:07] <psusi> anyone else tried using the gnome art manager to install new themes?  when I click install it opens up the appearance window without showing the new theme, and when I click download it just closes immediately and leaves a zero byte file
[17:07] <ChogyDan> hmm, I guess so
[17:07] <abhinav> ChogyDan, I think it is currently working on the open source driver.
[17:08] <ChogyDan> abhinav: I think the proprietary driver has been released too
[17:08] <abhinav> for ATI radeon - I have a radeon 4200 IGP
[17:08] <abhinav> Probably, I am just doing an update - let me see if it gets picked up ..
[17:09] <abhinav> I am trying via System->Administration->Hardware Drivers and it doesn't show anything
[17:09] <ChogyDan> abhinav: try the fglrx-installer package
[17:10] <Forser> Question : Can you like upgrade from 9.10 Netbook Remix to 10.04 LTS Beta 1?
[17:10] <lifestream> So I have a little big problem. I really want to help test Ubuntu, even if just a little. But I don't know where to start. I came to this channel thinking that maybe the Topic would have a link to where to learn / start. Can anyone help me help Ubuntu? :P
[17:11] <abhinav> Do you mean xorg-driver-fglrx ? This is having some unmet dependencies etc.
[17:11] <ChogyDan> Forser: you probably can, but if you upgrade you will get 10.04 netbook remix
[17:11] <ChogyDan> abhinav: according to the bug report, no
[17:12] <ChogyDan> abhinav: that why I was guessing fglrx-installer
[17:12] <Forser> ChogyDan, No worries about that :) Just feel like running the latest to help out with bugs and similar
[17:13] <ZykoticK9> ChogyDan, for 10.04 i think remix is renamed to UNE edition
[17:14] <ChogyDan> abhinav: well, I looked, but I cant figure that out, gl
[17:15] <ChogyDan> ZykoticK9: interesting
[17:16] <abhinav> I don;t see fglrx-installer in my repo. Doing another update, this time with the main server instead of an India mirror. Trying to see how it goes
[17:16] <ChogyDan> !find fglrx lucid
[17:18] <abhinav> will probably take some time to get pushed . See comment #14 on the bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/494699/comments/14
[17:19] <ChogyDan> but that last comment seems to indicate that there was a problem
[17:21] <setuid> anyone know of a good 64-bit bootable, rescue ISO image?
[17:22] <setuid> KNOPPIX 5.1 has cryptsetup (latest does not), but I can't chroot into the mounted path using the KNOPPIX 5.1 iso, because my main OS on the drive is 64-bit.
[17:23] <charlie-tca> setuid: tried the Ubuntu live cd?
[17:23] <Some_Person> setuid: Why must it be 64bit?
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> You can't shroot from 32 bit to 64 bit
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> chroot*
[17:24] <setuid> Some_Person, Because chroot doesn't work into the mounted partition, unless the OS on the bootable iso is the same bitness as the one on the mounted partition.
[17:24] <setuid> Exactly
[17:24] <Some_Person> I seed
[17:24] <Some_Person> s/seed/see
[17:27] <laumonier> lucid beta version is avaible or not???
[17:27] <setuid> Pulling 9.10 64-bit now... can I boot from this CD and mount an existing system, to fix it?
[17:27] <setuid> The system is luks-encrypted
[17:27] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[17:27] <Some_Person> What's the point of encrypting your system?
[17:27] <setuid> Some_Person, So my data remains my own
[17:27] <Ian_Corne> you can isntall packages to read those encryptions setuid
[17:27] <Ian_Corne> if needed
[17:28] <Some_Person> What do you have that's so secret?
[17:28] <setuid> Ian_Corne, cryptsetup works to do that, as long as I can boot to the system. 5.1 allows that, but last night's update trashed the system, it refuses to boot under any kernel.
[17:28] <ZykoticK9> laumonier, see the channel topic for link
[17:28] <setuid> Kernel dump at boot time, right when it tries to mount the root fs
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> hmrf
[17:28] <setuid> Some_Person, I have data that belongs to me, nobody else. It's not secret, but it is my own.
[17:28] <setuid> Some_Person, Encryption isn't about hiding anything, it's about securing data.
[17:29] <setuid> http://blog.gnu-designs.com/no-you-may-not-have-my-encryption-keys
[17:29] <red> how does nautilus handle photo image rotation?
[17:29] <laumonier> ok so it is not
[17:29] <red> i have some photos, that appear correctly rotated uner ubuntu
[17:29] <red> but not when I upload them to a site
[17:30] <red> so id prefer to get the rotation fixing off to actually see which ones i need to rotate manually prior to uploading :)
[17:31] <setuid> Here's another post I wrote early in January about something similar...
[17:31] <setuid> http://blog.gnu-designs.com/solved-howto-mount-an-external-encrypted-luks-volume-under-linux
[17:31] <setuid> But in this case, I can't even boot to the fs itself.
[17:33] <sash_> hello everybody. at the moment, i am installing the beta in a virtualbox. why is it possible to partition the /-partition with fat32 but not with btrfs?
[17:35] <CosmiChaos> sash_, which beta?
[17:35] <sash_> CosmiChaos: ubuntu 10.04 of course
[17:35] <kklimonda> sash_: because it's not yet supported by parted in ubuntu
[17:36] <ugliefrog> is there a command that can refresh the panels
[17:36] <ugliefrog> for some reason mine look garbled on the ends
[17:36] <Ian_Corne> killall -9 gnome-panel
[17:36] <Some_Person> ugliefrog: Usually you can just kill gnome-panel
[17:36] <ugliefrog> ty ill give it a try
[17:37] <CosmiChaos> sash_, oh i missread , thought there was a new virtualbox beta to leech for xD
[17:37] <sash_> ok, so there is no chance to partition the device with btrfs while installation? but then, it should be possible to pre-partition it and then install the beta? so: is the installer able to read/write btrfs?
[17:37] <sash_> CosmiChaos: hrhr
[17:38] <CosmiChaos> Moep, bounceing this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/541749
[17:38] <CosmiChaos> what is left incomplete?
[17:38] <kklimonda> sash_: as the installer won't recognize btrfs at all it won't let you install (at least that's what I think - you can try)
[17:39] <ugliefrog> killall -9 gnome-panel......did the trick
[17:39] <sash_> kklimonda: well, there is a difference between partition and writing an fs
[17:39] <sash_> i will give it a try
[17:41] <sash_> hope that parted magic can do this :)
[17:46] <pepee> I can't run kde because the ATI driver doesn't work with Ubuntu lucid (did an upgrade yesterday), BUT even if I remove/reinstall xserver-xorg-*, kde says
[17:46] <pepee> "ksmserver: error while loading shared libraries: libatiuki.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[17:47] <penguin42> pepee: Did you explicitly uninstall the frglx driver?
[17:47] <pepee> yep
[17:47] <pepee> dpkg -P
[17:47] <penguin42> hmm, something somewhere isn't convinced!
[17:48] <pepee> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229525
[17:48] <pepee> I think I have to reconfigure or delete something, but I don't know what...
[17:50] <penguin42> pepee: Can you put the output of ldd /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_ksmserver.so in a pastebin somewhere?
[17:50] <setuid> Anyone know of a free tool that runs on Windows 7 that can burn an Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit (690M) ISO image? Nothing I've tried can overburn it.
[17:51] <jpds> !unetbootin | setuid
[17:51] <penguin42> setuid: Have you got a DVD rather than a CD?
[17:52] <arand> setuid: tried infrarecorder & imgburn?
[17:52] <pepee> penguin42: ok
[17:54] <pepee> penguin42: pastebin.com/PQCfLcJK
[17:56] <Volkodav> how do I set up an app for mms or similar protocol in chromium ?
[17:56] <penguin42> pepee: if you ldd /usr/lib/libGL.so.1  do you see the missing lib?
[17:58] <pepee> it says "not found"
[17:58] <penguin42> you mean /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 doesn't exist?
[17:59] <pepee> oh sorry, ldd /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 | grep libatiuki  -> libatiuki "not found"
[18:00] <AaronMT> Hello, I am using beta 1 through vmWare and noticed I have a white vertical line on the left side of my display with this version, i.e., see picture - whats up with that? http://imgur.com/cBjPa.png
[18:00] <pepee> libatiuki.so.1 => not found
[18:01] <penguin42> pepee: So what I can't quite figure out is that on my machine libGL.so.1 in the ldd of ksmserver points to /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1
[18:02] <penguin42> pepee: Can you do a dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[18:03] <pepee> it says it was not found
[18:04] <penguin42> pepee: But you have it there?
[18:04] <pepee> yep
[18:04] <penguin42> hmm; I say delete it - or at least move it out of the way
[18:04] <pepee> ok
[18:05] <pepee> penguin42: hah, thank you SO much!!
[18:06] <penguin42> no problem!
[18:07] <pepee> well, don't know where it the problem, but I have kubuntu-ppa in my sources.list
[18:07] <penguin42> pepee: That just looked like leftovers from frglx
[18:08] <pepee> maybe the ATI uninstaller didn't removed it?
[18:08] <pepee> ah ok
[18:08] <penguin42> that's my guess
[18:08] <pepee> well, thanks again
[18:11] <ZykoticK9> AaronMT, see if running "nautilus --quit" makes it disappear
[18:11] <AaronMT> ZykoticK9: Yeah just found a forum post, I ran nautilus -q
[18:11] <AaronMT> Thanks anyways
[18:16] <c_korn> the new theme is not very good for the buttons in vlc. you nearly don't see if a button is pressed or not: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/48032/screenshot_001_dUaV7G.png http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/48033/screenshot_002_Aac7o1.png
[18:19] <Damascene> is empathy working for you from the first time?
[18:23] <DanaG> hmm, is it safe by now to upgrade and not get broken gnome?
[18:23] <DanaG> er, wait, /topic
[18:24] <vivid> so nautilus can no longer handle network browsing?
[18:26] <histo> Is there a default shortcut key for scale?  I see windowkey+tab does the super switcher and windowkey+e shows the other workspaces
[18:27] <histo> vivid: I was having a problem with it earlier since latest updates
[18:27] <histo> vivid: then I noticed that gvfs was hugn taking 50% cpu pegged
[18:28] <foxy123> Got a problem with booting up Lucid Beta
[18:28] <vivid> histo, im pretty sure im just missing some packages, but these indeed should probably be included in ubuntu-desktop
[18:28] <foxy123> Cannot get to GDM even using nomodeset
[18:28] <histo> Foudn it windowkey+w
[18:29] <vivid> super+w
[18:29] <histo> vivid: I thought so to but its not missing packages there must be a bug or somethign it was working before.
[18:30] <foxy123> I have installed it to my laptop using the alternative CD as the live one did not work for me for the same reason
[18:30] <histo> vivid: newest updates just fixed it for me
[18:30] <histo> vivid: nautlius network browsing now works
[18:31] <vivid> still nothing for me
[18:31] <foxy123> I am using Intel 855GM graphic chip
[18:32] <histo> vivid: run a dist-ugprade
[18:32] <histo> vivid: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:32] <foxy123> any ideas
[18:32] <foxy123> ?
[18:32] <histo> foxy123: did you check ubuntu.com/testing page for known issues?
[18:33] <histo> foxy123: thought I saw something on there about intel video
[18:33] <setuid> Anyone know the solution to these? Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
[18:33] <vivid> histo, the system is up to date, i need packages to be installed but dont know what they are
[18:33] <setuid> I'm trying to reinstall some packages onto a mounted drive, under chroot
[18:33] <vivid> anyone know which packages are required for nautilus network browsing?
[18:35] <foxy123> histo: I cannot see anything about Intel graphic chips
[18:37] <IdleOne> nautilus is broken from main menu....upgrade.....fixed
[18:37] <IdleOne> vivid: libnautilus-extension1  probably
[18:37] <IdleOne> crimsun: thank you :)
[18:38] <foxy123> There is an issue in Alpha 3 re KMS but I thought that booting with 'nomodeset' option should've fixed it, Unfortunately it did not.
[18:39] <vivid> IdleOne, installed already
[18:40] <IdleOne> vivid: nautilus was broken for me two minutes ago I did and upgrade and libnautilus-extension1  was one of the packages and now nautilus is working so I assume that fixed nautilus
[18:41] <vivid> apt-get update and apt-get upgrade yields no new updates for me, still broken
[18:42] <monkey_dust> vivid, try dpkg-configure -a
[18:43] <monkey_dust> erratum: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:44] <vivid> still cannot browse network
[18:44] <vivid> have a feeling something that needs to be installed, isnt installed
[18:44] <benovic> will gvfs-fuse be replaced by something else? i get a message about obsolete packages, but no upgrade will install new ones
[18:45] <vivid> so, how should i be attempting to view samba shares
[18:50] <Bookman> I get the following and I'm not sure how to resolve it when upgrading:
[18:50] <skyjumper> anyone else getting statusbars like this in gimp: http://dev.ideas4.net/gimp.png
[18:50] <skyjumper> it should have the cursor position, zoom pulldown, etc
[18:50] <skyjumper> like http://docs.gimp.org/en/images/using/wilber-simple-nogrid.png
[18:51] <Bookman> Could not calculate the upgrade
[18:51] <Bookman> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[18:51] <Bookman> Trying to install blacklisted version 'openoffice.org-filter-binfilter_1:3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1'
[18:51] <Bookman> Any ideas?
[18:52] <Dr_Willis> remove the offending packages and try again?
[18:52] <gnarlie> my font settings in the appearance thingie wont stay on
[18:52] <gnarlie> subpixel smoothing and full hinting goes away when I close it
[18:53] <Bookman> yeah, no problem.....I will move to another distro I think.  This one is going in directions that I do not see anyways.
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> Bookman:  have a nice day.
[18:53] <Bookman> Thanks.
[18:54] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: What is changing that you don't like?
[18:54] <Dr_Willis> I find once you learn the linux fundamentals. the actual disrto dosent matter much
[18:54] <vivid> true
[18:54] <BoondoKlife> Dr_Willis: Very true
[18:54] <vivid> but debian based systems are just so much more usable than others
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> I dont find much differance
[18:55] <Bookman> BoondoKlife, Moving of the windows buttons, the Beta failed on 3 of my machines out of 4....Alpha worked fine....so many little things I guess
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> Depends on your needs.
[18:55] <vivid> well, back in the day, there was huge difference in usability between vendors
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> Its beta... what do you expect.. file bugs..
[18:55] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: You have to remember that you are trying BETA and ALPHA builds. Try 9.10
[18:55] <vivid> it kind of just became first nature to want to be debianized :p
[18:56] <duffydack> never had kernel error messages in alpha3, just started seeing crash report bring it up few times..
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> buttons are trivial and take 10 sec to move back.. but who knows they MIGHT do somthing inovateive with teh move.. (i will be suprised if they do)
[18:56] <Bookman> I understand all of that.
[18:56] <Bookman> I've just never seen issues like this.
[18:56] <Bookman> Not since installing 7.10
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> I have found the latest KDE versions  have advanced so much.. Im proberly going to switch back to Kubuntu instead of ubuntu with this release
[18:56] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: As for the buttons, there is a reason for everything and I think it will soon be revealed. Personally I don't mind it.
[18:56] <vivid> does anyone know how i can browse my windows/mac networks shares using samba in lucid, since nautilus doesnt want to cooperate?
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen very few issues with the alpha/beta stuff so far.
[18:57] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: As far as installs have you tried the alternate install cd?
[18:57] <gnarlie> anyone stumbled on these fonts issues?
[18:57] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: I always have good luck with it.
[18:57] <Bookman> BoondoKlife, buttons are only a small part
[18:57] <gnarlie> ugly by default and changing settings wont stick
[18:57] <monkey_dust> there was some other guy, yesterday, who was very displeased about the buttons on the left
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> gnarlie:  ive not seen them. - I have noticed the fonts in the fiorefox menus look a little different then the ones in the gnome menus
[18:57] <Bookman> Dr_Willis, I agree.  KDE is my fallback on the machines that failed the Beta update
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> I find the direction kde is going . very handy. Its netbook stuff on my AAO i find is better then the UNR stuff
[18:58] <gnarlie> Dr_Willis: looks like shit in chrome too
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> but with gnome 3 due out in a few months.. who knows what will be the fave a year from now
[18:58] <Bookman> Dr_Willis, yes....the wireless is a bit flacky though.
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> I always seem to fallback to 'bluecurve' and my own tweaks for a theme i like.
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> of course since i keep my /home/ :) i often rarely even notice the artwork changes in a new release
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> most of the hyped features i imagine will turn out to be 'talked about' for a month.. then no one will care. :)
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> Night all...
[19:02] <Bookman> Have a good evening
[19:02] <Bookman> ok, back to my root problem.  I guess I just have to wait?
[19:02] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: What problem was that?
[19:04] <Bookman> n unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[19:04] <Bookman> Trying to install blacklisted version 'openoffice.org-filter-binfilter_1:3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1'
[19:05] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: Try to uninstall openoffice and then do the update. Then reinstall it.
[19:06] <Some_Person> Hey! I think I found the true cause of my "partial upgrade" problem: libparted1.8-12 is now libparted0
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> I'v had that some while ago :p
[19:07] <Bookman> BoondoKlife, attempting
[19:08] <tcsoccerman> does ipod touch and iphone truely work for lucid yet?
[19:09] <Some_Person> It seems I have a few karmic packages left over
[19:09] <Bookman> open office uninstalled, same problem
[19:10] <git__> what's in store for gnome3?
[19:10] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: did it also remove that package?
[19:10] <Bookman> ?
[19:10] <git__> i like lucid kvm transition
[19:10] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: 1 sec
[19:10] <git__> didn't have to use ctrl-alt to transistion
[19:11] <git__> i wonder if the suspend/resume works in lucid
[19:12] <Jordan_U> I can't use the keyboard in X from the lucid beta[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C LiveCD.
[19:12] <git__> possible to try it under kvm?
[19:15] <git__> lucid froze on sleep in kvm
[19:16] <chocamo> I am installing server edition and I can get a dhcp address during the install, but after installation and reboot I cannot get an IP on either my wired or by hooking up a wireless device
[19:16] <BoondoKlife> BookmanI wonder what you have installed that is needing that package? if you can figure that out just uninstall it then update.
[19:17] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: Do you have any version of openoffice.org-filter installed currently?
[19:17] <Bookman> BoondoKlife, I think that the upgrade will just not work for my installation.
[19:18] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: Really it is just a matter of something claiming it needs that package.
[19:18] <Bookman> hey, it cannot work for everyone, right?
[19:19] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: but the idea is to get as close as possible
[19:19] <Bookman> Well, this one is an epic fail.  3/4 machines failed
[19:19] <Bookman> But not your fault.
[19:20] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: Take a look and see if you can find what is depending on that package or if you have a previous version installed.
[19:20] <Bookman> yeah, I could learn how to do that or I could just try another distro.
[19:21] <red> is there any way to get a screensaver for my 2nd X-Session
[19:21] <red> so that when im owrking in X0.0 for 3mins the X1.0 would go into screensaver mode
[19:21] <red> would be better than having to turn on and off my plasma telly to avoid burning :)
[19:22] <Bookman> plasma can burn?  I think not.
[19:27] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: Well nothing in my install is showing as a dep. try to install apt-rdepends. sudo apt-rdepends --reverse openoffice.org-filter-binfilter
[19:27] <duffydack> cool, I only just noticed pasting a link into gwibber pastes it as a .gd link
[19:27] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: See if it has something in your install that is depending on it
[19:27]  * duffydack is new to gwibber
[19:30] <Damascene> are you having problems with empathy not connecting from the first run?
[19:30] <Bookman> BoondoKlife, wow, a ton of work for something that should have been taken care of by beta time.
[19:30] <setuid> Any humans about?
[19:31] <setuid> dpkg seems broken inside my chroot. dpkg -L shows nothing, I can't dpkg -i any packages... but I can apt-get update and fetch packages...
[19:31] <BoondoKlife> Bookman: Well not really beta does mean it can have issues. And upgrades are always a no-no in my book.
[19:31] <Bookman> Do developers watch this channel?
[19:32] <guntbert> Bookman: unlikely
[19:32] <Bookman> Too bad
[19:34] <git__> bookman, have u try suspend and resume on lucid?
[19:34] <Bookman> git__, no
[19:35] <setuid> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libselinux1'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[19:35] <ulle> hello everyone, my synaptics touchpad just stopped working, it works in the login window but stops working after i type my password
[19:36] <penguin42> has seen a few people say that today
[19:36] <Bookman> No worries, I will try Fedora
[19:36] <ulle> penguin42, do u mean my problem
[19:38] <penguin42> ulle: Yeh
[19:39] <ulle> oh thx
[19:39] <setuid> What do I do to get around this?
[19:39] <setuid> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libselinux1'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[19:39] <setuid> I'm trying to reinstall dpkg
[19:40] <penguin42> setuid: It's pretty unusual to reinstall dpkg; tell me about your chroot - what's it a chroot in?
[19:40] <setuid> penguin42, After last night's update, my system refuses to boot... kernel dumps in every single kernel on the system. Whatever was in last night's update, broke every kernel I had.
[19:41] <setuid> So I've mounted my drive under a chroot on a 9.10 bootable iso, and am trying to "fix" it
[19:41] <setuid> dpkg inside the chroot doesn't even show any packages listed
[19:41] <penguin42> setuid: Ah I see, that's not good
[19:41] <setuid> # dpkg -L | wc -l
[19:41] <setuid> 0
[19:41] <Some_Person> that's weird. brasero is using notification instead of indicator applet now
[19:41] <crimsun> is there anything useful in /var/lib/dpkg ?
[19:41] <setuid> I can't use dpkg -i to install any of the *.debs there
[19:41] <crimsun> that sounds a lot like nasty fs corruption
[19:42] <setuid> crimsun, fs is fine
[19:42] <penguin42> setuid: Have you any idea about what went wrong to get it into this state?
[19:42] <crimsun> setuid: you're *certain* of that?
[19:42] <setuid> crimsun, absolutely
[19:42] <penguin42> absolutes are good
[19:42] <setuid> crimsun, the whole system is inside a dm-crypt partition, on an xfs fs, and it's been checked and re-checked
[19:42] <crimsun> absolutes and fs corruption don't belong in the same sentence
[19:43] <setuid> But last night's update truncated a bunch of libs to 0  bytes in /usr/lib and /lib
[19:43] <penguin42> setuid: Did it shut down OK ?
[19:43] <setuid> That may not be the cause of the machine not booting, I have a photo of the kernel dump, but it's not that useful
[19:43] <crimsun> last night's update? hmm...
[19:43] <penguin42> setuid: Ah, so it kernel dumped just after an upgrade?
[19:43] <setuid> penguin42, No, the update hard-locked the machine towards the end, somewhere while updating 'menu'.
[19:43] <crimsun> err, that definitely reeks of hw and/or linux.
[19:44] <setuid> penguin42, No, the kernel dumps under any kernel (I have 8 of them) when I try to boot the machine
[19:44] <setuid> The dump is exactly the same for all kernels
[19:44] <penguin42> setuid: OK, the 0 length files are normally a result of stuff not having made it to disk yet (although more common on ext4) - but why is it kernel dumping - go on give us the photo
[19:44] <setuid> Let me see if I can upload it somewhere..
[19:44] <ulle> penguin42, so there is no bug report about it
[19:44] <solid_liq> okay to update/upgrade right now?
[19:44] <crimsun> it sounds a *lot* like your fs just exploded (normally a linux issue but could be related to hw)
[19:45] <penguin42> setuid: maybe imagegin.org
[19:45] <penguin42> erm bin
[19:45] <solid_liq> I know earlier it said in the topic to not upgrade because gnome was broken
[19:45] <penguin42> crimsun: xfs exploded? The thought
[19:45] <solid_liq> penguin42, xfs will fail if there's a powerfailure without warning.  otherwise it's usually very reliable
[19:46] <penguin42> solid_liq: OK so the problem is if that happens just as it's doing an upgrade heck knows what state it's left in
[19:47] <solid_liq> penguin42, well, you'll get data loss if that happens period.  XFS was designed for machines that are on UPS's
[19:47] <penguin42> solid_liq: It sounds like it's left you with a messed up set of package data though
[19:48] <CalmvsKhaos> UPS are so cheap now no reason not to have one really
[19:48] <penguin42> solid_liq: Yeh a machine on UPS that never fails, never crashes, never has any problem
[19:48] <solid_liq> penguin42, XFS was designed by SGI to run on their Unix servers in server rooms...  they tend to be very reliable (full redundancy)
[19:49] <solid_liq> and usually, if there is a failure, there's warning so the system has a chance to shut down gracefully (on those machines)
[19:49] <crimsun> ...except that XFS on Linux has a track record of exploding.
[19:49] <solid_liq> crimsun, only on desktops by people who don't have a UPS
[19:49] <crimsun> erm, ok. I'm not even going to touch this can o' worms.
[19:49] <penguin42> solid_liq: OK, so where is that crash message then
[19:50] <solid_liq> crimsun, I've used an XFS filesystem for 4+ years on one machine and had no problems with it...  plus on others as well
[19:50] <solid_liq> penguin42, the crash message?
[19:50] <penguin42> the photo
[19:50] <crimsun> solid_liq: I've had solid experiences and nasty experiences alike, but that does not mean anything in *this* context.
[19:51] <setuid> crimsun, http://tweetphoto.com/15142329
[19:51] <solid_liq> usually, when the XFS filesystem goes down, the whole thing goes down
[19:51] <solid_liq> you won't be able to mount it; you'll need to try to repair it
[19:51] <solid_liq> which means, I don't think XFS is at fault for this.  I think you're barking up the wrong tree here
[19:51] <crimsun> solid_liq: I'm not blaming XFS; we haven't gotten there yet.
[19:52] <crimsun> solid_liq: extrapolation can be a dangerous thing
[19:53] <setuid> # dpkg -i tzdata_2010e-1_all.deb && echo $?
[19:53] <setuid> 0
[19:53] <crimsun> setuid: unfortunately the tasty bits that we need have scrolled off the screen
[19:53] <setuid> crimsun, the whole thing repeats numerous times (about 40 times), then stops there
[19:54] <setuid> When it boots, it gets to the point of where it tries to mount / and then grinds for about 5 minutes, then dumps like that
[19:54] <crimsun> setuid: again, the actual bits are not in that screenshot
[19:54] <crimsun> setuid: if you're lucky, they may be in /var/log/dmesg*
[19:54] <setuid> At this point, I just need dpkg to function inside the chroot, so I can try to reinstall/repair the damaged packages
[19:54] <penguin42> setuid: Have you run xfs check on it?
[19:54] <setuid> crimsun, it can't be in /var/log, because /var/ is on the fs it is failing to mount
[19:54] <setuid> i.e. /
[19:54] <setuid> xfs_check and xfs_fsr come out 100% clean on it
[19:55] <penguin42> ok
[19:55] <crimsun> setuid: not from the subsequent boots -- from the actual occurrence
[19:55] <setuid> I've checked it from both KNOPPIX 5.1 (the last version with crypt support) and from the Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit LiveCD
[19:55] <solid_liq> I always make my /var partition ext3 to make sure they're safe
[19:55] <solid_liq> *partitions
[19:56] <penguin42> solid_liq: Ah
[19:56] <setuid> solid_liq, I do the same with boot, though I make that ext2 + ro,sync,noexec
[19:56] <solid_liq> yeah, I use ext2 for /boot since there's no need for journaling for /boot
[19:56] <setuid> Is there a way to sanity-check the apt/dpkg db? Something like the Debian/Ubuntu equivalent of "rpm --rebuilddb"?
[19:57] <solid_liq> I think xfs is great for /usr since it gives you good speed for loading apps, but now that we have ext4, I don't think there'll be much need for xfs once ext4 is for sure good and stable
[19:57] <crimsun> not quite. the check operation for apt-get does a small part of that.
[19:58] <crimsun> I don't really care about what fs type is used anymore; I'm leaning strongly toward an Intel g2 SSD for /usr
[19:58] <setuid> ext4 is WAY overkill for holding large files, like multi-terabyte/multi-gigabyte files
[19:58] <setuid> ext4 also lacks dynamic inode create/destroy, and the performance lags quite a bit behind xfs... but let's not have that holy war right now
[19:59] <solid_liq> it doesn't need dynamic inode creation/destruction
[19:59] <solid_liq> a pool of inodes is fine
[19:59] <solid_liq> you can create more manually if you need them
[19:59] <setuid> It does if you run it on a dm-crypt/expandable LVM
[20:00] <solid_liq> I do love xfs's great ability to grow/shrink
[20:00] <Again617> So I have a *small* issue after installing Lucid Lynx.  Switching workspaces works almost all of the time but sometimes the key combination "Alt+Ctrl+[Left|Right] don't do anything
[20:00] <setuid> I just tried "dselect update", but dselect is no longer part of the core OS, so I tried to install that, and now I'm back to the selinux issue
[20:00] <setuid> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libselinux1'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[20:00] <Again617> the key combination seems to be caught by the active window
[20:01] <setuid> crimsun, Any other ideas?
[20:01] <monkey_dust> i have to re-enter my wifi wep key, everytime i boot my pc, how can i save it?
[20:03] <penguin42> setuid: Well, the man page of apt.conf suggests that you should try explicitly installing libselinux1, and failing that try to disable the immediate-configure option and see if it'll let you fix it
[20:04] <setuid> # cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
[20:04] <setuid> APT::Immediate-Configure "true";
[20:04] <penguin42> the man page suggests it's a very rare get-out-of-jail card
[20:04] <crimsun> setuid: sorry, in a meeting right now
[20:05] <setuid> penguin42, Apparently the syntax isn't what it thinks it is
[20:06] <penguin42> setuid: Try dropping that into a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[20:06] <setuid> apt-get install dselect -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0
[20:06] <setuid> That gets closer
[20:06] <penguin42> setuid: And isn't that suggesting you want to turn it off?
[20:06] <setuid> Now I get:
[20:06] <setuid> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend perl-base for debconf, probably a dependency cycle.
[20:07] <penguin42> setuid: If it's this messed up you're going to have a lot of this type of thing to fix - but you're going to have to pick each one apart - personally if it's that screwed I'd seriously consider a reinstall
[20:08] <setuid> penguin42, reinstall isn't an option... and I've recovered myself from pretty ugly Ubuntu/Debian fsck-ups before when I upgrade during a broken cycle
[20:09] <penguin42> ok, one package at a time then!
[20:09] <setuid> Yes, but not unless dpkg and apt work
[20:09] <setuid> Right now, they do not
[20:10] <penguin42> well, try to install perl-base by hand and see why it fails
[20:10] <setuid> install it by hand, using what?
[20:10] <setuid> dpkg and apt do not work, and dselect isn't installed, and I can't install it without perl-base
[20:10] <penguin42> well just try to apt-get install it or dpkg -l it and see if you can see why it's failing
[20:10] <setuid> dpkg -l returns nothing
[20:10] <setuid> apt-get install requires perl-base, which I can't install
[20:11] <penguin42> ok, but WHY does perl-base fail to install
[20:11] <setuid> http://pastebin.ca/1846932
[20:12] <penguin42> is perl-base in /var/log/apt/whereverthecacheis ?
[20:12] <Ian_Corne> setuid: compile it?
[20:12] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Nah, not worth it
[20:12] <setuid> root@ubuntu:/usr/share/doc/perl-base
[20:12] <setuid> Ian_Corne, that won't help
[20:13] <penguin42> setuid: Is it in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[20:13] <setuid> Ian_Corne, the problem isnt' that the files aren't physcially on-disk, it's that dpkg doesn't know they're installed
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[20:13] <setuid> # ls -l perl-base_5.10.1-8ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[20:13] <setuid> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1080044 2010-01-07 16:17 perl-base_5.10.1-8ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[20:13] <penguin42> ok good, dpkg -i that file
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> did you link /dev/ /proc/ /sys/ before chrooting?
[20:13] <setuid> whoa, wait
[20:13] <setuid> # ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg
[20:13] <setuid> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2010-03-16 11:05 /usr/bin/dpkg
[20:14] <penguin42> ahem, a little bit of a problem :-)
[20:14] <Ian_Corne> oh :p
[20:14] <setuid> Same thing
[20:14] <penguin42> setuid: Do you have /usr/bin/dpkg-deb and will it run?
[20:15] <setuid> wow, a LOT of files in /usr/bin are 0 bytes
[20:15] <penguin42> not good
[20:16] <DanaG> holy mackerel.... I now have a multi-touch touchpad, where before I didn't!
[20:16] <penguin42> setuid: sure you don't want to reinstall?
[20:16] <setuid> Yes, positive
[20:16] <setuid> it's not an option
[20:16] <penguin42> setuid: OK, is it your data you're worried about or config?
[20:16] <Nikolai_D> hi guys, i try to install Ultumatix, but it gives me Python2.5 problem, any ideas?:)
[20:16] <setuid> Every single file on this machine must remain intact
[20:16] <setuid> bin, data, files, config
[20:16] <penguin42> setuid: OK, except the ones that are already broke
[20:16] <setuid> Exactly, excpet the ones that I can reinstall from known-good packages
[20:16] <penguin42> setuid: OK, you're running from a 9.10 cd?
[20:17] <guntbert> !ultamatix | Nikolai_D
[20:17] <setuid> But I can't reinstall, if I can't get dpkg to give me a list of installed packages
[20:17] <setuid> penguin42, Yes
[20:17] <penguin42> setuid: Use debootstrap on the 9.10 cd to debootstrap a basic installation in another directory and copy the files accross into the broken world
[20:17] <Nikolai_D> gunbert: okay man, i know, but anyway :)
[20:18] <Nikolai_D> guntbert: *
[20:18] <guntbert> Nikolai_D: so why do you insist on installing it?
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Isn't python 2.6 now in lucid?
[20:19] <setuid> find /mnt/external/usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -type f -size 0 | xargs -i basename {} | wc -l
[20:19] <setuid> 118
[20:19] <Nikolai_D> because i want to install all that view programs i need right away :)
[20:19] <setuid> 118 0-byte files in /usr/bin, as a result of last night's update
[20:19] <Nikolai_D> and they say Ultumatix is better then Automatix, and even if not, if i get problems laiter, ill just have to fix them :D
[20:20] <guntbert> !info python | charlie-tca
[20:20] <penguin42> setuid: debootstrap is probably the best way to fix this - it'll get you a basic set of files somewhere safe you can copy stuff in
[20:20] <guntbert> Nikolai_D: you have been warned - and it is *not supported* in these channels
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Nikolai_D: If Ultumatix is not supported, not recommended, and not discussed here, maybe you have to go ask the developers that wrote it how to make it work.
[20:21] <Nikolai_D> gunbert: i know, thank you :)
[20:21] <guntbert> Nikolai_D: so you are on your own in this respect
[20:21] <Nikolai_D> hehe :)
[20:21] <setuid> find /mnt/external/usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -type f -size 0  | cut -b23-200 | sort | xargs -i cp /usr/bin/{} /mnt/external/usr/bin
[20:21] <setuid> That might work too
[20:21] <Nikolai_D> guys guys ;)
[20:21] <penguin42> setuid: Yeh maybe - I bet you're missing a load of libs and other stuff as well
[20:22] <setuid> Maybe, but I just need a working dpkg, I can fix the rest from there
[20:22] <Nikolai_D> is there some #Linux or something where i can ask help then? :D
[20:22] <penguin42> Nikolai_D: Feel free to ask here if you're having probs with Ubuntu Lucid, there are generic linux channels as well
[20:22] <guntbert> Nikolai_D: #linux exists - yes
[20:23] <Nikolai_D> hmm lets see whats ther
[20:23] <Nikolai_D> e
[20:23] <guntbert> penguin42: he was asking for ultimatix support
[20:23] <penguin42> oh right
[20:23] <technoviking> anyone else getting this error when updating /sbin/ldconfig.real: File /usr/lib/libdns.so.64 is empty, not checked.
[20:24] <penguin42> technoviking: Well, is your /usr/lib/libdns.so.64 empty?
[20:25] <technoviking> maybe, should it be? I did not do anything to it?
[20:26] <technoviking> think it happen after some updates yesterday
[20:26] <setuid> Well, that sort-of worked... forcing an install of everything in /var/cache/apt/archives with dpkg -i *.deb
[20:26] <setuid> it's churning on app-install-data
[20:33] <JEEB> hmm, just tried kubuntu 10.04 beta 1 on virtualbox and vmware -- I don't have a menu bar o_O
[20:33] <JEEB> I mean... you _should_ have a bar on the bottom, right?
[20:35] <rsk> look at the errata
[20:36] <JEEB> ah
[20:36] <Nikolai_D> lol, whats that for something, on linux channel they told me to use suse ^
[20:36] <Nikolai_D> ^^
[20:37] <JEEB> everyone will tell you to use a different distro
[20:37] <Nikolai_D> i guess its time to go to fedora channel :D
[20:37] <JEEB> in the end you can just try different distros and see which you like the most >_>
[20:37] <Nikolai_D> i already use the one i like duh
[20:37] <Nikolai_D> -.-
[20:42] <pepee> penguin42, do you remember the problem I had?
[20:42] <penguin42> pepee: The libGL one ?
[20:42] <pepee> yep
[20:43] <penguin42> what about it?
[20:43] <pepee> penguin42, how did you knew that removing that file I would log in to kde?
[20:44] <penguin42> pepee: From the ldd I was trying to figure out what would cause that file to be loaded, my guess was that since it was trying to load an ati specific gl library it would come from libGL since I knew different vendors tended to replace libGL; I checked and my machine didn't have the libGL where your machine did
[20:45] <pepee> ahh ok
[20:45] <git__> anyone try suspend/resume on lucid yet?
[20:46] <setuid> Git, works great
[20:47] <git__> setuid, did u try it 9-10 times in succession?
[20:48] <penguin42> git__: It's one of those things that is very dependent on the machine
[20:48] <Again617> git__, I just tried hibernate and it worked fine except that telepathy crashed on resume
[20:48] <git__> yeah, very true penguin42, i want to learn what the cause of my suspend/resume problem, albeit what debugging tool to use to find out the device driver or app causing the hiccup
[20:49] <setuid> git__, yes, I suspend dozens of times a row, every day
[20:49] <setuid> I don't run telepathy though, and I use the nvidia video drivers
[20:50] <pepee> penguin42, cause I submitted this solution: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229525#c9  but I'm having minor problems with some other programs
[20:51] <penguin42> pepee: Yeh it's not really a KDE bug, ATI bug maybe, possibly ubuntu
[20:53] <pepee> yep, I did it just "for the record"
[20:59] <Again617> I have problem with sound with Skype in Lucid Lynx (surprise!).  In every other area Pulseaudio works fine
[20:59] <setuid> pulse is a nightmare
[21:00] <Again617> looks like I spoke to soon.... it works now
[21:00] <setuid> An over-engineered solution to a non-existent problem... just like arts and esd before it
[21:00] <Again617> In Sound Preferences I have three options under "Connector", Analog Headphones, Analog Output and Analog Speakers
[21:01] <Again617> I needed to manually change that to Analog Speakers
[21:06] <crimsun> hah
[21:06] <crimsun> pulseaudio is the best test suite for alsa ever.
[21:06] <crimsun> you may abhor it, but you can't deny its effectiveness at rooting out bugs in alsa
[21:07] <setuid> Yes, in the same way that "Enter a number here: ... " and having an app enter "banana" does, sure.
[21:07] <crimsun> not quite, though that's valid
[21:07] <crimsun> pulse relies on your hardware not lying
[21:08] <crimsun> what we've discovered is that there is a lot of crap hardware that lies
[21:08] <setuid> That's always going to be true, as long as their are developers who take shortcuts to make company deadlines
[21:09] <crimsun> it's also a fundamentally different type of operation to alsa's traditional interrupt-based approach
[21:09] <bjsnider> somehow apple and windows don't suffer from these issues in their sound systems?
[21:09] <crimsun> bjsnider: both those OSes reach much farther down into the stack
[21:09] <crimsun> their APIs expose a lot more timing information that Linux itself doesn't
[21:10] <penguin42> bjsnider: In Apple's case they have a very small set of hardware they have to code for
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-printer/+bug/542975
[21:11] <crimsun> once you constrain your hardware quirks, it's possible to work around them, yes
[21:11] <crimsun> trying to do that for all possible hardware is hard </barbie>
[21:11] <bjsnider> penguin42, it's always nice when you can stop people from using your software on crap hardware
[21:12] <bjsnider> like that poor bastard who's got a problem with his nforce chipset
[21:12] <bjsnider> namely, that he has an nforce chipset
[21:12] <setuid> crimsun, any ideas? -> http://pastebin.ca/1847000
[21:12] <pace_t_zulu> anyone using Lucid desktop or planning to use Lucid Desktop should mark that bug as "affects you"
[21:13] <crimsun> setuid: I'm pretty sure an strace will be more useful
[21:14] <penguin42> setuid: If this is still in your chroot make sure you're /proc and /dev are mounted
[21:14] <setuid> I bind-mounted them into the chroot
[21:14] <setuid> # su - desrod
[21:14] <setuid> open: Permission denied
[21:14] <setuid> Error locking counter
[21:16] <setuid> No way to mount a user's encrypted $HOME when that's been mounted under /mnt, even when I am *THAT* user?
[21:16] <setuid> That's a pretty big blocker
[21:17] <setuid> I should start keeping $HOME on a USB key, if it's going to be this unstable
[21:23] <Guest59335> Installed 10.04 today and I like what I see. Some vast improvements in many areas.
[21:30] <KB1JWQ> setuid: Tempting some days. :-)
[21:30] <KB1JWQ> setuid: I'd probably lobby instead for a cronned rsyn.
[21:33] <setuid> KB1JWQ, What is?
[21:33] <KB1JWQ> Heh, boatload of udpates...
[21:34] <KB1JWQ> setuid: Keeping /home on a USB stick.
[21:36] <DanaG> who was it that was talking with me about touchpads, the other day?
[21:46] <avi_> which version of Gnome does Lucid beta 1 include?
[21:46] <avi_> 2.28 or 2.30?
[21:47] <crimsun> what will become 2.30
[21:47] <crimsun> 2.29.92
[21:47] <CalmvsKhaos> sadly lucid wont come with gnome 3 :((((
[21:48] <crimsun> for an LTS? You have got to be kidding me.
[21:48] <avi_> Well, gnome 3 is either 2.30 or 2.32..
[21:48] <CalmvsKhaos> lol
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> gnome 3 is 2.32
[21:48] <avi_> Oficially?
[21:48] <avi_> I thought that was TBD.
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> unless it gets delayed, yes
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> it was going to be 2.30, but then it was postponed
[21:49] <avi_> Oh okay. Any aesthetic differences between what ships with Lucid B1 and 2.30?
[21:50] <red> is there any apache log about what IP addresses have accessed my server?
[21:52] <penguin42> red: /var/log/apache/access.log I think from old memory
[21:52] <penguin42> red: It's the raw set of all accesses
[21:52] <CalmvsKhaos> apache2 isnt it?
[21:53] <wgrant> setuid: I do that all the time. What goes wrong when you try?
[21:54] <CalmvsKhaos> red also look in the repos, theres something called apachetop or something, that monitors apache logs in a 'top' like manner
[21:57] <Traveler9> hi there guys, i'm stuck at the animatoin screen during installation boot, system doesn't totally hang because ctrl alt del still reboots machine, i'm using nvidia system and amd 64 ,suggestions?
[22:00] <blekos> hello, my login screen keeps looping after insterting the psswd. I select user name, I write the (right) password. Screen gets black for 2 sec and it returns to the login screen.
[22:02] <bjsnider> Traveler9, during installation boot? what does that mean?
[22:04] <git__> i think purple is ugly
[22:05] <penguin42> git__: My door is purple, but for a desktop I agree, I've just selected one of the other backgrounds/themes
[22:05] <git__> i prefer silver, grey
[22:06] <git__> that way, the things I do shine because silver and grey is like a background
[22:08] <red> penguin42, CalmvsKhaos: ty for tips
[22:08] <CalmvsKhaos> np
[22:08] <git__> i like the way lucid doesn't require me to hit ctrl-alt to get my mouse out
[22:09] <git__> makes the VM experience feels intergrated
[22:09] <alkisg> In which vm? vmware?
[22:09] <git__> vkm
[22:09] <git__> err kvm
[22:09] <alkisg> Ty
[22:09]  * alkisg uses vbox atm...
[22:12] <joelz> Can I install Lucid on a VM instance from an iso on my hard disk? It seems the VM needs a separate boot medium (cd, usb)
[22:12] <setuid> of course
[22:12] <git__> doesn't
[22:15] <penguin42> joelz: Yes you can
[22:15] <penguin42> joelz: I've done it with kvm
[22:15] <git__> i'm running lucid on kvm
[22:15] <git__> kvm -m 512 -cdrom lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[22:15] <guntbert> joelz: just mount the iso ( use virtual media manager first to include it )
[22:15] <joelz> I could create a boot cd and then install on a VM from there, but I'm lazy.
[22:16] <joelz> guntbert: Where might I find virtual media manager?
[22:17] <lucas_> Hey! I've been trying to use Pitivi to cut a video down from 36 minutes to about 24 minutes and when I render the video I can't seem to get the audio to match the video.  Is there a codec combo that will work best or is this a bug in this program?
[22:17] <guntbert> joelz: sorry - I thouhgt we were in #vbox - you are talking about another VM - so I don't know
[22:17] <git__> lucas_, have u try openshot?
[22:18] <git__> joelz, kvm is the way to go
[22:18] <lucas_> I have not I will give it a try right now
[22:18] <joelz> git_: nope. Can I get it from synaptic?
[22:18] <git__> joelz, yeah, apt-get install kvm (i think)
[22:19] <joelz> guntbert: I'm using virtual box.
[22:19] <git__> the only issue i have with kvm is that it won't boot windows 7 nor windows 2008
[22:19] <git__> you can use qemu to boot windows 7 or windows 2008 though
[22:20] <guntbert> joelz: then open file/virtual media manager  or type ctrl + d
[22:20] <git__> have to make sure your hardware has VT support
[22:20] <guntbert> joelz: but further virtual box support in #vbox please
[22:21] <duffydack> and qemu in #qemu ?
[22:22] <guntbert> duffydack: yes
[22:22] <guntbert> duffydack: with 114 users
[22:23] <marginoferror> Has anyone gotten fglrx to work from the ~ubuntu3 packages?
[22:24] <duffydack> marginoferror, fglrx is installable in lucid now?
[22:24] <marginoferror> It's not in the mirrors yet but there are installable binary packages
[22:25] <marginoferror> However, when I installed them, all gl-related programs segfaulted
[22:25] <marginoferror> So...  installable is a step in the right direction, I suppose
[22:25] <marginoferror> This is the source package:
[22:25] <marginoferror> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.721-0ubuntu3
[22:25] <marginoferror> And the "lucid i386" link there will lead you to the most recent i386 binaries.  But, I have only gotten them to install, not to actually work for gl-related stuff
[22:33] <cousteau> what happened with java? is the official java unsupported now?
[22:34] <crimsun> the official java is openjdk. Do you mean the license-encumbered Sun one?
[22:34] <crimsun> (it's in canonical/partner)
[22:35] <cousteau> "official" as in "the one the java owner provides"... is the new license commercial or something?
[22:35] <cousteau> (oracle, I think it is)
[22:36] <cousteau> otoh, this is a good opportunity to check if openjdk is fully compatible with java
[22:36] <dupondje> somebody knows if there is some 'server' that fakes to be Exchange, and that makes me able to sync my agenda / mails ? :)
[22:37] <cousteau> but why is sun-java6-* not included anymore?
[22:37] <coppro> How do I report bugs on KDE? Trying apport-bug gives me a cryptic error about sudo
[22:38] <matic>  hey, I've just installed fresh 10.04 b1 and I wonder why the fonts in firefox look different than in other applications?
[22:38] <matic> they're uglier
[22:38] <dupondje> cousteau: sun-java6-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files)
[22:39] <matic> when I compare the same web site in firefox and gnome web browser, it looks way better in gnome web browser
[22:39] <git__> ubuntu already frozen the user interface
[22:40] <matic> anyone?
[22:41] <coppro> matic: Are they the same fonts rendered differently or different fonts altogether?
[22:41] <cousteau> ...ok, so openjdk is also "official", it's like virtualbox ose
[22:42] <matic> coppro, looks like same font rendered differently
[22:42] <coppro> Can you get screenshots?
[22:42] <matic> yes
[22:44] <cousteau> so, if I want to install the java plugin in Firefox or Chromium, what should I install? openjdk-jre, or something else?
[22:44] <cousteau> or icedtea6-plugin?
[22:45] <matic> coppro, http://matrix.alpha-force.net/uglyfontsinff.png
[22:46] <ZykoticK9> cousteau, if you want a browser plugin, either use icedtea6-plugin for openjre/jde or add the partner repository and use sun-java6-plugin - choice is yours
[22:47] <Mark___> Hi
[22:47] <cousteau> ok, icedtea6-plugin then...
[22:47] <Mark___> I am trying to install 10.4 beta 1
[22:48] <coppro> matic: I'm not an expert in font rendering or anything, but it looks like FF is rendering it a tad bigger than Epiphany
[22:48] <voss> Whats happening with 10.04 beta its still not on the upgrade servers!
[22:48] <Mark___> However when I boot the cd and chose the installer it lodas the live cd
[22:48] <ZykoticK9> cousteau, i believe for chromium I installed the 64bit java version and manually linked the plugin...
[22:49] <matic> coppro, how can I fix that?
[22:49] <coppro> voss: you have to specify that you want the debugging upgrade
[22:49] <cousteau> but I'm beginning to think that it would be easier to ask the owner of the ONLY page I visit frequently and uses java to use java-less alternatives
[22:49] <voss> debugging upgrade?
[22:49] <coppro> matic: Edit->Preferences->Display has some font options you can look at
[22:49] <Mark___> anyone why it's doing that
[22:49] <coppro> voss: err, development
[22:49] <voss> so update-manager -d isnt good enough anymore?
[22:49] <coppro> update-manager -d should get it
[22:50] <voss> update-manager -d still shows the alpha
[22:50] <cousteau> Mark___: same here, using lubuntu
[22:50] <coppro> weird; worked for me :/
[22:50] <cousteau> (anyway, the live cd also has an option to install)
[22:51] <coppro> join #kubuntu+1
[22:51] <coppro> disregard
[22:52] <voss> coppro, Ive tried changing the server still no difference, im wondering if they took the beta down
[22:52] <Mark___> Hello?
[22:53] <coppro> they're all on the same servers; if you aren't getting prompted to update to beta, it's probably because either your mirror is behind
[22:54] <mpontillo> voss: if you mean the .iso, I got it from here yesterday http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ubuntu-10.04-beta1-desktop-i386.iso
[22:54] <mpontillo> still seems to work
[22:54] <Mark___> I am trying to install 10.4 beta 1 but when I click install it loads the live cd not the installer
[22:54] <Mark___> Anyone know why
[22:54] <voss> Ive switched mirrors and reloaded
[22:55] <Mark___> ???
[22:55] <Mark___> hello??
[22:55] <mpontillo> Mark___: not sure, I just booted the live cd (usb) and used the installer icon on the desktop. haven't really tried any other way lately ;)
[22:56] <nhaines> Mark___: IRC response times usually range in the 10's of minutes, and not immediately.  But if you're just getting the Live CD desktop, I'd recommend just using the installer icon.
[22:56] <Mark___> Maybe u have to do that?
[22:56] <nhaines> Mark___: and then file a bug on launchpad against ubiquity.  :)
[22:56] <Mark___> Ubiquity?
[22:57] <Mark___> What's that?
[22:57] <nhaines> Mark___: that's the Ubuntu installer.
[22:57] <cousteau> well, icedtea ain't working here
[22:57] <Mark___> Oh I've already done it
[22:57] <Mark___> what are improvements if any in ext 4
[22:57] <nhaines> You filed a bug against Ubiquity without knowing what it was called?
[22:57] <cousteau> that's why I didn't want to use it... maybe I need the official nonfree plugin
[22:58] <nhaines> Mark___: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
[23:01] <cousteau> Mark___: same here, using lubuntu
[23:02] <voss> coppro, ive switched mirrors and reloaded and still getting alpha
[23:02] <MajorAstr> what is so diffenrt with lucid
[23:02] <Sir_Konrad> MajorAstr: a lot.
[23:03] <voss> Major, 10.04 has microsoft office for linux
[23:03] <MajorAstr> I am downloading the beta will I be surprised
[23:03] <Sir_Konrad> MajorAstr: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/03/first-look-ubuntu-1004-beta-1-is-looking-good-less-brown.ars
[23:03] <voss> Ok not really
[23:04] <MajorAstr> thanks I read this
[23:05] <Sir_Konrad> MajorAstr: you already did or you will?
[23:05] <MajorAstr> i am reading it now
[23:06] <Sir_Konrad> ok
[23:08] <setuid> Setting up cpp (4:4.4.3-1ubuntu1) ...
[23:08] <setuid> Dpkg.pm did not return a true value at /usr/sbin/update-alternatives line 11.
[23:08] <setuid> grrrr
[23:09] <MajorAstr> ubuntu lucid Dow load is slow
[23:10] <MajorAstr> server must be busy
[23:10] <wjm> use a torrent IMO
[23:10] <MajorAstr> ok
[23:11] <MajorAstr> I want to dual boot but without grub
[23:12] <setuid> torrents are faster, and the right thing to do, to help others in the community at the same time
[23:12] <cousteau> MajorAstr: how's that? do you mean a hidde grub?
[23:12] <cousteau> *hidden
[23:12] <DG19075> no, something like LILO
[23:13] <MajorAstr> my bios offers pop up option to choose which drive to boot from but don't want to mess up windows
[23:13] <MajorAstr> anybody
[23:14] <DG19075> LILO is the best alternaive
[23:14] <MajorAstr> SSS drive are they really noticaaaaaf
[23:14] <MajorAstr> are ssd drive really noticable in speed or are they hype
[23:15] <MajorAstr> thinking of getting one for u ubuntu
[23:15] <nhaines> SSD drives are very fast for random access but not nearly as much of an improvement for streaming.
[23:16] <MajorAstr> so I won't notice performAnce etc
[23:17] <bjsnider> you'll notice it
[23:17] <nhaines> MajorAstr: it is highly dependant on what you're doing.
[23:17] <nhaines> Bootup should be quite faster, though.
[23:17] <bjsnider> ubuntu is already pretty fast though
[23:18] <MajorAstr> like dual channel ram looks Impressive on papaer but in real world nothing there
[23:18] <MajorAstr> yes ubunntu boots really fast really big diffence over win xp
[23:18] <bjsnider> dual channel ram is noticeably faster than single channel
[23:19] <MajorAstr> I can't tell the diffence
[23:20] <MajorAstr> on papaer duL channel looks impressive
[23:20] <MajorAstr> buy in real world nothing there
[23:20] <bjsnider> now we have triple channel
[23:20] <bjsnider> with certain core i7s
[23:21] <MajorAstr> tripple channel who
[23:21] <bjsnider> triple channel ram
[23:21] <MajorAstr> interesting
[23:22] <bjsnider> with the lga 1366 chipset
[23:22] <MajorAstr> how does that work
[23:22] <MajorAstr> faster in real world
[23:23] <bjsnider> but all of those boards are at least $200, and then there's the pricey core i7 cpu on top of that
[23:23] <MajorAstr> tell me about office in Lucid
[23:23] <bjsnider> the benchmarks i've seen on phoronix are right up off the top of the charts
[23:24] <MajorAstr> does this mean windows ssoftware will be porter to linuxl
[23:24] <MajorAstr> is it pricey
[23:28]  * duffydack snuggles his i7 lappie
[23:31] <Jaymac> anyone know how to edit the 05_debian_theme file that ships with lucid so I can set a grub image? can't get update-grub to find my background image
[23:34] <Majorastro> alright found a faster download mirrior
[23:34] <Mark___> I am trying to dual boot windows 7 and ubuntu however whr
[23:35] <Mark___> When i turn on my pc it boots right into linux
[23:35] <Mark___> I do not see a grub menu to select oses
[23:35] <Majorastro> that is not good
[23:36] <ZykoticK9> Mark___, hold shift before grub to get the menu
[23:36] <Mark___> So right when the computer turns on?
[23:37] <Mark___> Uh oh
[23:38] <ZykoticK9> Mark___, yes.  but i kinda doubt your win7 is going to be listed if it's booting straight to ubuntu.  you'll probably have to do the grub update (perhaps from live cd), see the !grub2 factoid link for help.  good luck.
[23:38] <Mark___> I only see linux and memtest listed
[23:38] <Mark___> What grub2 factold link?
[23:39] <ZykoticK9> !grub2 > Mark___
[23:39] <Jaymac> Mark___, that isn't a problem.. just run os-prober
[23:39] <DG19075> !grub2|Mark___
[23:40] <litropy> hi, all: how o I update to the daily build?
[23:40] <litropy> do*
[23:41] <Majorastro> ok
[23:41] <robin0800_> litropy: sudo aptitude update then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:42] <Majorastro> how is flash
[23:42] <ZykoticK9> litropy, just keep you system up to date using whatever update you feel comfortable with.  What's really cool, is sometime if you try to report a bug, it will refuse saying packages "such-n-such" needs to be updated first - very clever.
[23:42] <setuid> Flash works fine
[23:43] <setuid> 64-bit flash on Lucid here, and it works fine (using the upstream installer, not the broken Ubuntu versioni)
[23:43] <setuid> That npviewer.bin trash is horrid, takes the system to 100% CPU and 4+ load when idle
[23:44] <montcalm> I got virtualbox guests to see my usb devices now under lucid.
[23:44] <red> any samba users present?
[23:44] <setuid> It does that out  of the box... what did you do any different?
[23:44] <red> i safe-upgraded today and it rewrote my samba configs
[23:44] <red> now on a 2nd PC i can mount the share, but can only read/write folders that arent symlinks
[23:44] <setuid> red, Restore your configs from your backups and restart smbd service
[23:44] <litropy> has the mounting of other partitions been disabled?
[23:45] <red> it created automatic backups?
[23:45] <setuid> No, but you shold have backed up your configs before doing any sort of upgrade
[23:45] <setuid> SA 101
[23:45] <red> yes, for all the 400 packets upgrading every 2nd day :P
[23:45] <setuid> Yes
[23:45] <montcalm> Before it wasn't working because of the lack of hal.  For some reason now it works after I added myself to the root group.  And hal is present when I do ps ax | grep hald
[23:45] <red> i've set follow symlinks etc and fixed the new config to resemble the old one to the best of my knowledge
[23:45] <setuid> There's even a Debian tool to do exactly that, with each upgrade, /etc/ is snapshot into rcs
[23:46] <red> ah, that i could use
[23:47] <ZykoticK9> montcalm, did you not have to force the hald to start?  I was using this workaround, does it no longer apply?  http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox#TOC-USB-support-with-Lucid
[23:47] <Obsidian1723-2> I just wanted to say that whoever changed the order of the buttons and also moved them from the right to the left, is on crack.
[23:47] <Mark___> When I try to run os-prober I get an error ls; cannot access /var/lib/os-prober/mount/boot
[23:48] <Mark___> Boot no such file or directory
[23:48] <montcalm> No, I never had to do the hald --daemon=no thing.  It didn't work anyway.
[23:48] <Mark___> any ideas?
[23:49] <setuid> red, etckeeper
[23:49] <robin0800_> Obsidian1723-2: you can move them back
[23:49] <setuid> red, http://bryan-murdock.blogspot.com/2007/07/put-etc-under-revision-control-with-git.html
[23:50] <montcalm> I guess I'm lucky I'm blind.  The buttons all sound the same to me no matter where they are. ;-)
[23:50] <Mark___> hello?
[23:50] <red> ty
[23:50] <red> doesnt fix the problem at hand tho hmm
[23:50] <setuid> Mark___, if someone knows they'll speak up, untio lthen... idle or help others
[23:50] <red> i set the pc to remote boot now, long chance but..
[23:51] <red> its quite odd, i set it up exactly  as it were imho, but symlinks under the share arent working
[23:51] <setuid> red, same host os?
[23:51] <red> doing ls -l gives access denied and ??? at the rwx etc rights line
[23:51] <setuid> red, same remote client version? (i.e. you didn't go from Win98 to Windows server 2008, did you?)
[23:51] <red> lucid on host, jaunty on client
[23:51] <setuid> red, browsable = yes?
[23:51] <red> yes
[23:52] <red> follow symlinks yes, wide symlinks yes, unix extensions no
[23:52] <setuid> force-user defined?
[23:52] <red> user / grp forced to "red"
[23:52] <setuid> Did you make sure the users existed? (smbpasswd)
[23:52] <red> yup
[23:52] <red> with -a and then -e to enable
[23:52] <frekw> Hi! I'm having some trouble with ruby 1.9.1 and rubygems in lucid. I can require rubygems but I can't load any gems. Has anyone experienced this?
[23:52] <setuid> remove the 'red' user, and re-add
[23:52] <setuid> restart service smbd, and try again
[23:52] <frekw> Rubygems is installed from the rubygems site and not the ubuntu package btw.
[23:52] <red> ill try
[23:52] <setuid> red, and why aren't you using nfs for this, if it's Linux -> Linux?
[23:53] <setuid> frekw, If you're not using the Ubuntu package, we can't be much help
[23:53] <red> setuid: i have a friend that prefers windows
[23:53] <frekw> setuid: the rubygems1.9.1 package is really really old and won't support lots of rubygems
[23:54] <frekw> the standard within the ruby community is not to use it.
[23:54] <red> we do a lot of programming projects together, so he makes an ssh tunnel and mounts samba in his lan
[23:54] <setuid> red, There's an NFS client for Windows, in the UNIX Services add-on packgae, but point taken.
[23:54] <red> also nfs is kinda wobbly
[23:54] <setuid> If misconfigured, NFS can be wobbly, yes.
[23:54] <red> i have a bad router, so get some disconnects
[23:54] <red> and it tends to freeze the clientside a lot
[23:54] <setuid> We run ~900 NFS clients per-filer at work
[23:54] <setuid> 27 filers, globally
[23:54] <red> :)
[23:55] <setuid> Well, you want it to be hard-mounted, hangs are intentional... soft-mount NFS is bad
[23:55] <red> aye
[23:55] <red> samba handles the timeouts pretty well
[23:55] <setuid> red, so what's the problem here? Your two Linux clients can't see each other's exported shared?
[23:55] <setuid> er, shares?
[23:56] <red> i can mount the share np, i can touch files but symlinks generate errors
[23:56] <red> and they worked before the update
[23:56] <frekw> setuid: i'm using the ruby1.9.1 package tho
[23:56] <red> but brb, readding the user stuff and retrying once more
[23:57] <KWierso> I'm having an interesting problem with the Lucid beta. The alternate installer worked fine for me (the LiveCD didn't load), and it looks like everything was installed correctly. But when I boot up, once I get past GRUB, the screen goes blank. If I wait a bit, I can select my username and enter my password through the keyboard, and I can hear the login sounds, but nothing shows on my screen.
[23:58] <setuid> KWierso, Bad video/fb driver most-likely
[23:58] <setuid> KWierso, try hitting 'e' and 'e' at the kernel line, add vga=0, and remove the splash/quiet bits
[23:58] <KWierso> I can choose the recovery mode option in GRUB, and the terminal displays properly
[23:58] <setuid> recovery uses vga=0 :)
[23:58] <KWierso> starting X up blanks the screen
[23:59] <penguin42> KWierso: Let me guess, you've got an NVidia card?
[23:59] <KWierso> ATI, actually
[23:59] <underdev> has anyone had success installing the beta version of lucid under virtual box (windows host)
[23:59] <penguin42> oh, ATI is good for me
[23:59] <red> ls: cannot access A-DM03: Permission denied
[23:59] <KWierso> underdev, I got it working on a windows 7 host
[23:59] <red> d????????? ? ?   ?   ?                ? A-DM03