[00:02] <jpds> Didn't even know I could do that.
[00:02] <bazhang> thanks , sorry to disturb
[00:59] <genii> Ok. So you know, I'm drunk as a skunk. Please devoice me where appropriate. Thank you for your atenttion in this mater.
[01:02] <elky> lol
[01:02] <elky> i have never actually seen a drunk skunk.
[01:02] <genii> elky: Im' seroius
[01:02] <elky> i imagine i'd smell it before i saw it
[01:03] <genii> *serious
[01:22] <bazhang> just take a rest for a few hours
[01:22]  * genii silps bazhang a coffee
[01:23] <genii> bah
[01:23] <bazhang> perfect timing genii :)
[01:23]  * genii slips bazhang a coffee
[01:25] <genii> OK I shuold say I am drunk. Please denounce decry devioce etc where I am porblemmatiuc
[01:25] <genii> etc
[01:27] <genii>  /me sips
[01:27] <genii> bah
[01:28]  * genii sips
[01:44] <bazhang> genii, maybe time to take a break
[01:46] <genii> bazhang: I agree
[03:58] <thewizord> kkathman: got my nexus one :D
[04:29] <wgrant> Can somebody please update the +1 topic with a note about the current breakage?
[04:46] <jrib> wgrant: what should it say
[04:47] <wgrant> jrib: Something like 'Auto-starting of GNOME is currently broken -- see bug #542343'
[04:50] <jrib> wgrant: done
[04:50] <wgrant> jrib: thanks.
[06:04] <wgrant> Can somebody please fix the +1 topic to have something like 'DO NOT UPGRADE: GNOME is broken (bug #542343)' at the start?
[06:04] <wgrant> It'll still be broken for a couple of hours, and on mirrors for longer than that.
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> Sure
[06:20] <wgrant> tonyyarusso: Thanks.
[06:23] <elky> once it's fixed, change it to "GNOME is broken -- they took away our tooltips :("
[06:25] <wgrant> Heh. yes.
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> rofl
[06:30] <elky> so apparently this is also to do with the notifier stuff, just like the window controls. if this is the case, then the notifier can go back to whence it came
[06:31] <wgrant> The notifiers are a good idea.
[06:31] <elky> not if it means we lose other functionality, they're not.
[06:31] <wgrant> s/The notifiers/indicator-application/
[06:31] <wgrant> But the restriction on functionality... right.
[06:32] <elky> that's like saying "ooh look, i got this new car, but it cost my MY ARMS AND LEGS YAAAAAAAY!"
[06:32] <wgrant> Yes.
[06:32] <wgrant> The tooltips issue was Won't Fixed without comment by sabdfl this morning.
[06:33] <elky> That's beyond messed up
[06:33] <wgrant> Way beyond.
[06:34] <elky> unless this is part of the "wait until beta then we'll reconsider", this might just be the last straw for me. If i can't turn that stuff on with a *SIMPLE* click, then ubuntu just stopped suiting me
[06:37] <bazhang> there's always kubuntu :)
[06:37] <elky> you think i'm ranting now? you've never seen me on KDE
[06:37] <bazhang> hehe
[06:38] <elky> the only thing i've ever been able to say about kde as a desktop system is "well, it's pretty"
[06:38] <elky> only nice thing, that is
[06:39] <wgrant> elky: The "wait until beta then we'll reconsider" think is long gone.
[06:39] <wgrant> It's now "force everything through a few hours after UI freeze so nobody can complain"
[06:40] <elky> :(
[06:41] <elky> I get the feeling I'm going to be using debian by mid-year
[06:43]  * tonyyarusso regrets to say that he too has been seriously considering giving Debian a look because of all the stupid UI decisions made in direct opposition to what people actually want
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> I miss the days when Mark actually valued users' opinions :(
[06:50] <elky> yeah
[07:41] <elky> persia, unless you've secretly moved to .au, you're totes messing up the dynamic in -devel right now :P
[07:44] <persia> Nah, just expanding it.
[07:44] <persia> We *will* make the Americas look lazy and the Europeans look sleepy.
[07:45] <elky> Well, no, they make themselves look like that all on their own. You're just highlighting it ;)
[07:45] <elky> Credit where credit is due, and all that.
[07:45] <persia> heh
[07:49] <Gary> I'm not sleepy, I'm just motivationally challenged
[07:50] <persia> Well, being honest, I was only targeting the subset of people in those places who happen to also be core-dev.
[07:54] <Gary> meh, not got the motivation to do that :p
[09:00] <lorenzo_> #ubuntu-it-chat
[10:39] <knome> can we do something about him? really?
[10:40] <bazhang> replace the banforward with a straight ban?
[11:03] <mernilio> Hello fellow ops, im banned from ubuntu-offtopic. I dont know why
[11:04] <bazhang> mernilio, just a moment
[11:04] <mernilio> but i know some of you might get a fucking elbow in the face if im still banned .. okay.. thanks bazhang
[11:05]  * persia gets a language trigger
[11:06] <topyli> mernilio, i once removed you for your insistance on pouring racist nonsense on the channel. apparently you were eventually banned
[11:06] <bazhang> right off the bat I can see you were banned for language and continuing when asked to read the guidelines
[11:07] <bazhang> I'll step back now
[11:09] <mernilio> yes. i do have a racial bias.
[11:09] <topyli> oh found it. elky banned for refusing to clean it up
[11:09] <mernilio> and from i can see topyli and bazhang is negros.
[11:10] <elky> eh. looking back over the past few minutes, I stand by that
[11:10] <bazhang> mernilio, keep in mind that being banned in the offtopic channel does not give you free reign in #ubuntu channels to be offtopic
[11:10] <mernilio> :-)
[11:10] <elky> threats of physical assault are generally not welcome anywhere on freenode
[11:11] <mernilio> I only thret you elky!
[11:11] <elky> it makes no difference who you threat
[11:13]  * persia sprinkles "en"s around in the spirit of grammarianism
[11:13] <mernilio> persia: you seem like a muslim.. and we dont like it.. so fuck off!
[11:14] <bazhang> mernilio, your ban wont be removed at this time.
[11:14] <mernilio> bazhang: thanks for supporting free speeach...
[11:15] <bazhang> mernilio, as that is the reasong for joining here, please part the channel as our business is concluded
[11:16] <mernilio> my what is concluded? :-)
[11:16] <elky> mernilio, we're not stopping you from peeing, we're just stopping you from peeing on our carpet.
[11:17] <mernilio> Im now alone.. againt all av you fucker.. bullies!
[11:18] <elky> you're not trapped, you may leave at any time
[11:18] <mernilio> Go fuck a duck assholes. To be honest.. i could kill you all!
[11:19] <elky> !staff
[11:22] <persia> Wow!  Extra thanks to all who handled the first removals and bans for that case.
[11:24] <jussi01> That was a very controlled performace, thanks peoples :)
[11:25] <bazhang> just watching #ubuntu to see if he continues
[11:41] <Mamarok> could somebody actually do something about lorenzo? He is getting annoying with his join failures, I wonder if he is not doing it on purpose
[11:41] <Mamarok> maybe talk to the ops in #ubuntu-it
[15:43] <b2p1mp> oh darn i forgot all about this stupid time script
[15:43] <b2p1mp> ok
[15:43] <b2p1mp> i erased it, was just 3 lines in my remote script page
[15:47] <b2p1mp> i was banned from #ubuntu for the !time trigger 4 hours ago.  I have removed all scripts.  I apologize to all.
[15:47] <bazhang> !time
[15:48] <bazhang> !uptime
[16:32] <bazhang> saintsinner is grow-as-apple
[16:41] <topyli> bazhang, oh
[16:41] <bazhang> topyli, he's in #freenode claiming I am stalking him
[16:42] <topyli> we should forward him here. our request is not working
[16:42] <bazhang> he entered -ru and engaged me there as well
[16:46] <topyli> alokito, what can we do for you?
[16:47] <alokito> topyli, nothing
[16:47] <topyli> okay. please /part the channel then, nobody is allowed to idle here
[16:47] <alokito> ok, few seconds
[16:48] <topyli> how many seconds does it take? strange
[16:48] <alokito> :P
[16:49] <bazhang> b2p1mp, had an issue and was banned by jrib earlier, should we wait for jrib to sort it out ?
[16:49] <topyli> bazhang, would you like to take care of grow-as-apple as he gets here? i have a sauna prepared :)
[16:50] <bazhang> sorry topyli that was addressed to you (above)
[16:50] <topyli> i banforwarded, but did not kicked
[16:50] <bazhang> topyli, no problem
[16:50] <topyli> oh
[16:50] <topyli> okay
[16:50] <bazhang> I can easily remove it, or wait for jrib
[16:50] <b2p1mp> jrib did the ban
[16:50] <b2p1mp> you can wait no rush
[17:15] <bazhang> b2p1mp, would you mind returning in a bit? it should be no problem to remove your ban at that time
[17:15] <SaintSinner> bazhang: topyli
[17:16] <bazhang> SaintSinner, hold on a moment
[17:16] <SaintSinner> yeah, I have a time and I'm at the computer
[17:17] <SaintSinner> Can you say what was wrong, for a start?
[17:18] <SaintSinner> I actually admitted it's not speak-about-everything channel. Many people are heartfelt workers maybe...
[17:19] <bazhang> SaintSinner, no problem.
[17:20] <bazhang> SaintSinner, you were having a conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic that was making several individuals very uncomfortable
[17:21] <SaintSinner> Didn't read Guidelines? Why don't PM me at first? And, am I right about the impression fromthe channel?
[17:21] <SaintSinner> bazhang: That's my true problem.
[17:21] <bazhang> SaintSinner, and you were asked to stop, more than once
[17:22] <SaintSinner> I can not really differentiate between what can I say here and maybe in the U.S.
[17:22] <bazhang> SaintSinner, you then joined #ubuntu-ru and started talking to me from there.
[17:22] <SaintSinner> bazhang: Asked to stop where my nickname was highlated? When Alk*** asked me, I said OK.
[17:23] <bazhang> SaintSinner, you were asked by topyli and myself to join this channel and refused, and then went to #freenode with allegations of stalking.
[17:23] <SaintSinner> bazhang: I know there are many offtopic discussions in that channel. Also, you're know Russian and you know that it's normal.
[17:24] <SaintSinner> bazhang: This all is very strange, why should I believe in your good relation to me?
[17:25] <bazhang> SaintSinner, I am an operator in #ubuntu-ru , and you joined there. Not the other way around.
[17:26] <bazhang> SaintSinner, so instead of going to #freenode first, its better to come here first and work out any issues.
[17:26] <SaintSinner> Everything pertaining to #ubuntu-ru isn't probably important at all. Besides, you could act more neutrally.
[17:27] <SaintSinner> No, it would be better to ask you via personal message, and arrange the discussion about problem this way.
[17:28] <bazhang> SaintSinner, when someone is asked to stop, they should do so.
[17:29] <bazhang> SaintSinner, this has nothing to do with our relationship, and everything to do with the tenor of the conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:31] <SaintSinner> bazhang: I didn't look in the channel, and if someone asked me to stop, I could miss it. I thought Alk** started to asking me to stop with no reason and even cited him/her my message where I offer to do it. This log may resolve the confusion: http://filebin.ca/urmtb/Log-filecopiedcolouredfortheproblem.htm
[17:33] <SaintSinner> "tenor of the conversation" - so this is what was wrong
[17:33] <bazhang> indeed.
[17:34] <SaintSinner> Sorry for my English. Learning it from one-way news and similar make a bad ... for me
[17:34] <bazhang> SaintSinner, your english is fine.
[17:37] <b2p1mp> can I idle in here...? till then?
[17:37] <SaintSinner> no, bazhang You don't understand: it's English of a skilled in something person, or mentor; And I start to speak with people from U.S. with same approach. I understand. Although, some facts of my life said sincerely could melt first bad thoughts about me. And make things clear.
[17:37] <bazhang> b2p1mp, if you could come back in a bit it would be much appreciated
[17:37] <b2p1mp> ok ty
[17:37] <bazhang> thanks
[17:38] <bazhang> SaintSinner, you need to more clearly understand the tenor of the conversation, specifically where it was making others uncomfortable?
[17:38] <SaintSinner> "wrong beverage" if there's such word
[17:40] <SaintSinner> bazhang: I don't understand this. "Make others uncomfortable..." I only can make this to person I talked to. I made others uncofortable with what I started to say.
[17:41] <bazhang> SaintSinner, it is a channel with many occupants.
[17:41] <bazhang> SaintSinner, is that clear so far?
[17:43] <SaintSinner> You mean I should be careful with what I say, right?
[17:44] <bazhang> SaintSinner, did you understand the above statement: "the channel has many occupants"?
[17:44] <SaintSinner> Tauching something controversial is wrong, I know it.
[17:44] <SaintSinner> Ah, I talked tooo much.
[17:45] <bazhang> no
[17:45] <SaintSinner> Let me re-read it.
[17:45] <bazhang> others were getting uncomfortable on the topic you were discussing; to wit
[17:45] <SaintSinner> at first.
[17:45] <SaintSinner> I understand, "SaintSinner: Tauching something controversial is wrong, I know it."
[17:45] <bazhang> very detailed dating advice, and personal experiences therein
[17:47] <bazhang> SaintSinner, is that clear?
[17:47] <SaintSinner> When I "think in English" I understand this sounded not good. And, right, I understand it.
[17:48] <bazhang> and it was felt to be not good by those in the channel
[17:50] <SaintSinner> yeah, but I don't understand why they could say this more straightforward. It's very unusual for me.
[17:50] <bazhang> SaintSinner, its an issue you have had in that channel for a long time now
[17:50] <SaintSinner> So, I should stop the conversation.
[17:50] <bazhang> just never start it.
[17:51] <SaintSinner> What, so bad?
[17:51] <bazhang> the degree of details you were providing were / and are most unwelcome.
[17:51] <bazhang> indeed, yes.
[17:52] <bazhang> it's an international channel, with members of both genders.
[17:55] <SaintSinner> I can conform to it, all right. Although, I don't like people who can not say "I don't like the theme you're discussing at the moment." Anyway, it's better to be more carefull.
[17:56] <bazhang> well, that's fine. following the guidelines is the issue, and as it is a social channel in nature, respecting the wishes of others.
[17:57] <SaintSinner> This all is very new for me. I actually should make one another my good kind of it. :)
[17:57] <SaintSinner> OK
[17:57] <bazhang> thanks for joining for the discussion, by the way
[18:02] <SaintSinner> yeah, so, I think I need to part this channel right now
[18:03] <bazhang> well at least he agreed to behave in the future
[18:08] <Tm_T> hi all
[18:08] <bazhang> Tm_T, hi
[18:11] <Tm_T> holiday behind now, I hope I'm now refreshed (:
[19:12] <topyli> i'm reading the logs. bazhang, great job
[19:13] <topyli> not connected to whether or not i believe any of what they said, but that's unrelated :)
[20:37] <topyli> we have a nice collection of interesting people in -ot right now, but i'm not a good babysitter tonight. so if anyone has the strenght and time, freel free :)
 seems to be ban evading in #ubuntu
[21:59] <jpds> wut.
[21:59] <guntbert> jpds: see above
[22:00] <jpds> OK; when was he banned?
[22:01] <guntbert> by bazhang - several times in the last days  - (see the ip ban list)
[22:01] <jpds> @btlogin
[22:01] <jpds> ubottu: hi.
[22:03] <guntbert> jpds: used a different nick too - FullPolarFox1981
[22:03] <Tm_T> jpds: thank you
[22:04] <guntbert> have a nice time
[22:05] <Tm_T> guntbert: thank you too (:
[22:05] <jpds> guntbert: That's never going to be True.
[22:05] <guntbert> Tm_T: you're welcome :-)
[22:06] <guntbert> jpds: I can imagine - still my best wishes for you