| JontheEchidna | Could I get a peer review on this? http://pastebin.com/DjNjCBxj | 00:41 |
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| JontheEchidna | As long as we add the following to nepomukserverrc in k-d-s: | 00:42 |
| JontheEchidna | [Service-nepomukstrigiservice] | 00:42 |
| JontheEchidna | First start=true | 00:42 |
| JontheEchidna | That patch will disable strigi indexing on computers with less than 1 GB ram | 00:42 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I forgot to change the ">" sign to a "<" sign in the pastebin :) | 00:47 |
| JontheEchidna | all in all, should save ~60MB of RAM on sub-1GB RAM systems | 00:53 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: How about 1GB or less. That'd catch most netbooks and I think that's a good thing. | 01:57 |
| JontheEchidna | sounds good | 02:03 |
| nixternal | http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt | 02:35 |
| nigelb | nixternal: nice ;) | 02:44 |
| rob____ | Anyone know how I can restart Plasma as part of a DEB post-install step? I'm writing a Plasmoid that interacts with D-Bus and it's not working until I restart the desktop. | 03:45 |
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| bince | does anyone know how to use petiboot to install kubuntu | 06:50 |
| bince | i am trying it to install it on ps3 i downloaded kubuntu alternate 9.1 powerpc edition | 06:51 |
| bince_ | anyone knows hw to install linux on ps3 | 07:00 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: is it just me or does knh just like unk not report apport stuff at the time of crash? | 08:41 |
| apachelogger | I only get reports on login | 08:42 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: any reasons why I shouldn't upgrade to beta? | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: I would first run the live cd to ensure that graphics works :) | 09:32 |
| apachelogger | but other htan that I dont see why not | 09:32 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: what known problems are there with graphics? | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | I am not up to date | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | but I have heared the nvidia stuff is causing problems | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | the free driver anyway | 09:35 |
| Mamarok | I have ATI, and the Radeon drivers work here in Karmic | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | well, then you should be good | 09:35 |
| Mamarok | OK, reinstalling my system then | 09:36 |
| Sput | can't you just upgrade, Mamarok? | 09:37 |
| Mamarok | Sput: I want to get rid of the encryption, so reinstall it will be, since I encrypted the FS | 09:39 |
| Mamarok | and I want to get rid of the Windows partioton, too, since I never use them anyway | 09:40 |
| Sput | Mamarok: any particular reason to unencrpyt? too slow? | 09:40 |
| Mamarok | yep, utterly slow | 09:40 |
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| Sput | ok, so I'll stick with my decision to not do full-disk encryption | 09:43 |
| Mamarok | yeah, I will not repeat that, nor would I encrypt a /home/usr folder neither | 09:45 |
| Mamarok | having a race horse and slowing it down is not exactly a good idea | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | well | 09:52 |
| apachelogger | most hardware implementations of encryption already come with a considerable overhead | 09:52 |
| apachelogger | no wonder a pure software implementation slows down that much :) | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | aptcc++ | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | works pretty nicely :) | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | this new dr konqi is rather awesome | 11:47 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yeah i love it too :D | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | new? | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | well, I used it for the first time in years :P | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | much better HCI | 11:50 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: lol :D | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | talking about HCI, I should get ready for a meeting | 11:50 |
| * shadeslayer wonders why mischasworld_ has 2 nicks here | 11:55 | |
| Tm_T | he likes us that much? | 11:56 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 11:58 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I can get it to report crashes as they happen, sometimes. It doesn't get every one though | 12:40 |
| JontheEchidna | perhaps some kdirwatch unreliability | 12:40 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I have found cases where apport won't be able to make a report without being root | 12:40 |
| JontheEchidna | e.g. when the kernel fails to install or a daemon running as root crashes | 12:41 |
| robinp | I just installed the beta from the amd64 dvd, however I have no kicker by default - how do I get it back & is this a known bug (I couldn't see it specifically listed in the known bugs) | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: hmm... did it work on the live cd? | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: oh and you mean the K in the taskbar? just go to add widgets and add the Application launcher | 14:01 |
| robinp | im not sure if it worked on the live cd - i didn't look too closely - just double clicked the 'install kubuntu' icon | 14:02 |
| freeflying | I switched back to mutt eventually | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: hehe... well if you still have the DVD lying around can you check it afterwards and report a bug? | 14:03 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: and i mean the whole bar is missing - not just the kde menu! | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: :o | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: ok well just add the panel by right click on the dekstop and add panel | 14:03 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: ok - i was kinda hoping there was some way where I didn't have to build the whole thing from scratch | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: hmm that can be done too | 14:05 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: but youll lose your KDE customizations if any | 14:05 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: just do : rm -rf .kde : | 14:06 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: nah its a clean install | 14:07 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: ok well just login to a tty and run that command and then login to kde | 14:08 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: dont run it while your in kde | 14:08 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: rm -rf .kde then logging out then in fixed it | 14:08 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: ah well that should do it too,but i was just being cautious :) | 14:09 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: so im gussing the default .kde folder may have issues - ill retry the ubuntu live dvd | 14:10 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: please do and file a bug against the kdebase package via ubuntu-bug kdebase-data-kde4 | 14:12 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: yeah - its missing from the livecd (dvd in this case) session as well | 14:16 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: ping | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: please paste the bug number/link here :) | 14:17 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: kk - just doing it up now | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 540810 | 14:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 540810 in kubuntu-default-settings "kde panel does not display on 800x600 display" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540810 | 14:18 |
| JontheEchidna | robinp: ^ | 14:18 |
| JontheEchidna | looks like an update is on the way | 14:18 |
| robinp | JontheEchidna: ok that saves me from typing! thanks :) | 14:21 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: I assume that's what you pinged about? ;) | 14:21 |
| robinp | mine is pretty much the same except im using vmware :) | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: yep :) | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: so youre setting up lucid in vmware? | 14:22 |
| * shadeslayer thinks vmware is like a cage for lucid.. | 14:22 | |
| shadeslayer | i let these beasties take over my PC :D | 14:22 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: yeah - its on my macbook so I can have something to do while flying overseas :) | 14:23 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: lol | 14:24 |
| robinp | shadeslayer: thanks for the help - hope i didn't alarm you too much :) | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer | robinp: whut? no im absolutely free today! | 14:26 |
| jussi01 | hrm, Im not sure I want to reboot atm | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | had my last exam yesterday... | 14:26 |
| * shadeslayer pulls jussi01's power supply | 14:26 | |
| jussi01 | I cant start konsole, but the first time it gave me an error that it couldnt start bash... | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | jussi01: do you have bash installed? | 14:27 |
| jussi01 | shadeslayer: ... | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | jussi01: jk | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: oh btw is it possible to set all channels in kmix as high for the default install? | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | not from kmix, I don't think. | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | that stuff's probably controlled by alsa | 14:32 |
| JontheEchidna | crimsun: any insight^? | 14:32 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: im saying this because its a usability bug,by default the sound is so low that you cant hear anything | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | and in order to increase the sound you have to select all the channels and then set everything to high | 14:36 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, that can be a pain sometimes. But KMix is really just a frontend for the alsa mixer system, so I don't think there's much we can do about it fron KDE | 14:36 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: While you're working on kde4libs for 321281, could you also take care of Bug #540944. It looks like there's an upstream fix that is worth considering for backporting. | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 540944 in kde4libs "kde debugging enabled by default" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540944 | 14:40 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: sure. Right now I'm making strigi be a little more quiet about its notifications | 14:41 |
| ScottK | I'm definitely in favor of that. | 14:41 |
| JontheEchidna | Here's my plan | 14:41 |
| JontheEchidna | make strigi shut up about everything except suspending for low disk space | 14:41 |
| JontheEchidna | then make the tray icon passive (hidden by default) so that concerned users can still check its progress | 14:42 |
| ScottK | Sounds about right. | 14:42 |
| JontheEchidna | but never have the tray icon jump to active, since it does this entirely too much when nobody really cares | 14:42 |
| ScottK | Good. | 14:43 |
| nixternal | mornin' kubuntu! | 14:48 |
| JontheEchidna | moin | 14:51 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal: mind if I bug ya about UI freeze stuff? An ack for bug 543463 would be nice | 14:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 543463 in amarok "UI Freeze Exception: remove unnecessary dialog from startup sequence" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543463 | 14:55 |
| nixternal | JontheEchidna: looking now...I am at the Desktop Help Summit, and we were just talking about Ubuntu breaking UI freeze w/o doing exceptions or telling the documentation team...they asked me about Kubuntu and I told them we rock, then seriously, 2 minutes later you proved my point :) | 15:05 |
| JontheEchidna | :D | 15:06 |
| nixternal | ACK'd :) | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | aha! : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/543461 | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 543461 in kdebase-workspace "Touchpad sensitivity settings are the wrong way round" [Undecided,New] | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | i have exactly the same issue! | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | but! i think this is more of a driver issue than a kcm touchpad issue | 15:07 |
| JontheEchidna | well, laptop manufactuers have been known to put webcams in upside down. wouldn't suprise me if the drivers were buggy | 15:08 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: webcams? | 15:08 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah. my laptop has its webcam mounted upside down | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: the bug is about touchpads :) | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | I know | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: and thats just wtf | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | But if laptop manufactuers can screw that up, I wouldn't be suprised about crappy touchpads | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | ohhh... | 15:10 |
| * shadeslayer wonders how JontheEchidna looks while he does VoiP | 15:10 | |
| JontheEchidna | haven't tried voip with webcam yet, actually | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: try http://www.chatroulette.com/ | 15:12 |
| JontheEchidna | I've already had sausage this morning, thank you very much :P | 15:12 |
| Tm_T | ... | 15:12 |
| JontheEchidna | and that was the breakfast kind, which is quite enough for me | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 15:13 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell, maco: mind if I upload amarok? | 15:15 |
| nixternal | JontheEchidna: hahahahahahahahaha, love the sausage and the cover up comment there :D | 15:16 |
| JontheEchidna | <.< >.> | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: root crashes should not be acted upon I think\ | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | at least I implemented it that way back in the days ;) | 15:33 |
| maco | JontheEchidna: fine by me | 15:50 |
| maco | JontheEchidna: and Riddell's canoeing today, so i doubt youll get an answer from him soon | 15:50 |
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| nixternal | hey, apachelogger is a Fedora lover fyi. espionage, traitor, just 2 words that come to mind | 16:11 |
| nixternal | there is an open spot or two at guantanamo bay with his name written all over it | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | omg! | 16:12 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 16:12 |
| nixternal | 11:13:07 gecos | Harald Sitter Tonio_ | 16:13 |
| nixternal | 11:13:07 channels | #kde-devel #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #fedora-kde #kubuntu #ubuntu-meeting #kubuntu-netbook #kubuntu-bugs | 16:13 |
| ScottK | I don't think he's large enough to need two. | 16:18 |
| nixternal | he is now an officer in Fedora | 16:19 |
| nixternal | 11:14:33 [ thomasj] apachelogger, welcome aboard officer | 16:20 |
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| fedoralogger | nixternal: do you happen to know what a knowledge area is? | 16:58 |
| nixternal | fedoralogger: can't say that I do, but common sense, if i had any, would lead me to believe it would be an area where knowledge is stored...ie. ubuntu forums could be considered a knowledge area? | 17:15 |
| Mamarok | new record: total installation time: 17 minutes, including kde-full | 17:15 |
| Mamarok | congratulations, Lucid is really fast | 17:16 |
| Mamarok | and the slide show presenting Kubuntu during installation is nice :) | 17:16 |
| Mamarok | but it says KDE4 desktop, shouldn't this read KDE4 Software Compilation? | 17:17 |
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| ScottK | That or KDE Plasma Workspace. | 17:18 |
| ScottK | nixternal is the one to fix it, I think. | 17:18 |
| nixternal | Mamarok: I don't think the new test is in the slideshow installer yet | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | Mamarok: i would have that install speed too...only if my internet connection was faster :P | 17:26 |
| Mamarok | really nice work, I like Lucid :) | 17:29 |
| Mamarok | *d works out of the box, too | 17:29 |
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| shadeslayer | Mamarok: its supposed too :P | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | especially since its a LTS release :D | 17:31 |
| Mamarok | that should have read 3D, of course | 17:37 |
| shadeslayer | Mamarok: ah nvidia,Ati or intel? | 17:38 |
| Mamarok | shadeslayer: ATI | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | Mamarok: thats awesome! nvidia here... 3D isnt working with nouveau | 17:41 |
| Mamarok | I never had Nvidia | 17:41 |
| Tm_T | shadeslayer: what parts of 3D isn't working? | 17:41 |
| Mamarok | always ATI or Intel, though I only try the built-in Intel every now and then | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: every part of it :P | 17:42 |
| Tm_T | shadeslayer: I doubt | 17:42 |
| DarkwingDuck | nixternal: ping | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: openGL breaks into pieces.. | 17:42 |
| Tm_T | shadeslayer: even with glxgears? | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: xrender doesnt work.. with 3D | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: you mean the mesa-utils package? | 17:43 |
| nixternal | DarkwingDuck: pong | 17:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | nixternal: I finally got internet at the in-laws | 17:44 |
| Tm_T | shadeslayer: I guess, I mean running glxgears | 17:44 |
| DarkwingDuck | nixternal: I'll be emailing you the docs in a few | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: ah i didnt run glxgears... | 17:44 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm adding final touches on the desktop doc now | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: i just tried out kde's window effects... no desktop cube etc | 17:44 |
| Tm_T | bah, that's poor test for "any 3D" (: | 17:45 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: also the cover flow effect | 17:45 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: hmm... also the 2D was sluggish | 17:45 |
| nixternal | DarkwingDuck: groovy. I am going to probably start working on the package this evening. I am still at the desktop help summit so i am working on docs, but not working on docs | 17:49 |
| nixternal | fedoralogger: with knowledge area, were you by chance speaking of the management/project management definition? | 17:52 |
| fedoralogger | nixternal: the knowledge management definition | 17:52 |
| fedoralogger | nixternal: 100% brainfuck lecture | 17:53 |
| nixternal | lol | 17:53 |
| fedoralogger | srsly | 17:53 |
| fedoralogger | even hci is better than that | 17:53 |
| nixternal | right, so knowledge area in that source refers to a way or process of collecting and storing knowledge data | 17:54 |
| fedoralogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/snapshot8.png | 17:55 |
| fedoralogger | check out my OS!!! | 17:55 |
| fedoralogger | nixternal: thanks :) | 17:56 |
| * JontheEchidna putters along with his 1.5 mbps connection | 17:58 | |
| shadeslayer | fedoralogger: haha.... IE6! | 17:59 |
| fedoralogger | in wine! | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | fedoralogger: did you try and run sputnik on it? | 17:59 |
| fedoralogger | no, what is that | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | fedoralogger: google's way of effectively killing browsers | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | fedoralogger: http://sputnik.googlelabs.com/ | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | fedoralogger: rekonq and konqueror went kaput! | 18:01 |
| fedoralogger | ie6 not | 18:01 |
| fedoralogger | it just doesnt load that page | 18:01 |
| fedoralogger | weeh :D | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | chromium went on to complete the test | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | with 231 failed tests :D | 18:02 |
| shadeslayer | fedoralogger: nice! | 18:02 |
| shadeslayer | fedoralogger: they have it on google code as well | 18:02 |
| shadeslayer | fedoralogger: http://sputniktests.googlecode.com/ | 18:03 |
| shadeslayer | ah..new lang packs | 18:04 |
| shadeslayer | and binutils | 18:04 |
| JontheEchidna | should be a new amarok and k3b on the way soon, if they're not already there | 18:05 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: well im using my country mirror...so probably by tomorroq | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | *tomorrow | 18:08 |
| crimsun | shadeslayer: provided you aren't using pulse, just set the desired mixer controls to "high" (whatever that is for your taste) | 18:09 |
| crimsun | shadeslayer: there is fundamentally no way to expose quirk information from the hardware level up to kmix | 18:09 |
| crimsun | (which is different to both Mac OS and Windows XP/Vista/7) | 18:09 |
| crimsun | shadeslayer: that said, you certainly could edit /lib/udev/alsa-utils to your desired settings for the start() target, but that's only valid for the very first boot/install anyhow, and it's very specific to your system. | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | crimsun: ah ok | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer | crimsun: so there is no way to tweak this in the packaging it self? | 18:11 |
| crimsun | shadeslayer: the alsa-utils source/binary ships debian/init (installed as /lib/udev/alsa-utils) | 18:12 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 18:12 |
| crimsun | shadeslayer: however, I am not going to change it in the initscript, because it's either a hardware problem or a driver issue, and I'm tired of papering over problems in other packages. | 18:13 |
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| shadeslayer | crimsun: thats fine... | 18:23 |
| shadeslayer | crimsun: the problem is not that huge... | 18:24 |
| shadeslayer | anyways gtg... good night everyone :) | 18:24 |
| Tm_T | shadeslayer: sleep well | 18:25 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: hehe... | 18:25 |
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| JontheEchidna | nixternal: apparently I should put "can make a pretty picture with Potato guy" on my resume, if your blog comments are to be believed | 20:04 |
| nixternal | hahaha, that is Phil Bull, Ubuntu documentation writer who is here at that summit with me...it has a bunch of inside jokes taking jabs at stuff like buttons on the left | 20:06 |
| nixternal | see my buttons in the window where they are located? | 20:06 |
| nixternal | and that is obviously sabdfl preaching to the little aliens at UDS :) | 20:06 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 20:07 |
| ScottK | Just got spammed by rosetta, so kdebase-workspace must have been accepted. | 20:41 |
| fedoralogger | here is a quality subject that just recently got discussed in a cpp newsgroup "char* vs. cstring" ;) | 21:32 |
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| fedoralogger | JontheEchidna: you can do that? Oo | 23:47 |
| fedoralogger | JontheEchidna: kubuntu-bugs is now monitoring kcm-touchpad | 23:53 |
| * fedoralogger does not understand bug 538512 | 23:56 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 538512 in kubuntu-default-settings "Preconfigure font rendering settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538512 | 23:56 |
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