JontheEchidnaCould I get a peer review on this? http://pastebin.com/DjNjCBxj00:41
JontheEchidnaAs long as we add the following to nepomukserverrc in k-d-s:00:42
JontheEchidnaFirst start=true00:42
JontheEchidnaThat patch will disable strigi indexing on computers with less than 1 GB ram00:42
JontheEchidnaoh, I forgot to change the ">" sign to a "<" sign in the pastebin :)00:47
JontheEchidnaall in all, should save ~60MB of RAM on sub-1GB RAM systems00:53
ScottKJontheEchidna: How about 1GB or less.  That'd catch most netbooks and I think that's a good thing.01:57
JontheEchidnasounds good02:03
nigelbnixternal: nice ;)02:44
rob____Anyone know how I can restart Plasma as part of a DEB post-install step? I'm writing a Plasmoid that interacts with D-Bus and it's not working until I restart the desktop.03:45
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bincedoes anyone know how to use petiboot to install kubuntu06:50
bincei am trying it to install it on ps3 i downloaded kubuntu alternate 9.1 powerpc edition06:51
bince_anyone knows hw to install linux on ps307:00
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: is it just me or does knh just like unk not report apport stuff  at the time of crash?08:41
apacheloggerI only get reports on login08:42
Mamarokapachelogger: any reasons why I shouldn't upgrade to beta?09:14
apacheloggerMamarok: I would first run the live cd to ensure that graphics works :)09:32
apacheloggerbut other htan that I dont see why not09:32
Mamarokapachelogger: what known problems are there with graphics?09:34
apacheloggerI am not up to date09:35
apacheloggerbut I have heared the nvidia stuff is causing problems09:35
apacheloggerthe free driver anyway09:35
MamarokI have ATI, and the Radeon drivers work here in Karmic09:35
apacheloggerwell, then you should be good09:35
MamarokOK, reinstalling my system then09:36
Sputcan't you just upgrade, Mamarok?09:37
MamarokSput: I want to get rid of the encryption, so reinstall it will be, since I encrypted the FS09:39
Mamarokand I want to get rid of the Windows partioton, too, since I never use them anyway09:40
SputMamarok: any particular reason to unencrpyt? too slow?09:40
Mamarokyep, utterly slow09:40
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Sputok, so I'll stick with my decision to not do full-disk encryption09:43
Mamarokyeah, I will not repeat that, nor would I encrypt a /home/usr folder neither09:45
Mamarokhaving a race horse and slowing it down is not exactly a good idea09:47
apacheloggermost hardware implementations of encryption already come with a considerable overhead09:52
apacheloggerno wonder a pure software implementation slows down that much :)09:53
apacheloggerworks pretty nicely :)10:58
apacheloggerthis new dr konqi is rather awesome11:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah i love it too :D11:49
apacheloggerwell, I used it for the first time in years :P11:50
apacheloggermuch better HCI11:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: lol :D11:50
apacheloggertalking about HCI, I should get ready for a meeting11:50
* shadeslayer wonders why mischasworld_ has 2 nicks here11:55
Tm_The likes us that much?11:56
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I can get it to report crashes as they happen, sometimes. It doesn't get every one though12:40
JontheEchidnaperhaps some kdirwatch unreliability12:40
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I have found cases where apport won't be able to make a report without being root12:40
JontheEchidnae.g. when the kernel fails to install or a daemon running as root crashes12:41
robinpI just installed the beta from the amd64 dvd, however I have no kicker by default - how do I get it back & is this a known bug (I couldn't see it specifically listed in the known bugs)13:50
shadeslayerrobinp: hmm... did it work on the live cd?14:00
shadeslayerrobinp: oh and you mean the K in the taskbar? just go to add widgets and add the Application launcher14:01
robinpim not sure if it worked on the live cd - i didn't look too closely - just double clicked the 'install kubuntu' icon14:02
freeflyingI switched back to mutt eventually14:02
shadeslayerrobinp: hehe... well if you still have the DVD lying around can you check it afterwards and report a bug?14:03
robinpshadeslayer: and i mean the whole bar is missing - not just the kde menu!14:03
shadeslayerrobinp: :o14:03
shadeslayerrobinp: ok well just add the panel by right click on the dekstop and add panel14:03
robinpshadeslayer: ok - i was kinda hoping there was some way where I didn't have to build the whole thing  from scratch14:04
shadeslayerrobinp: hmm that can be done too14:05
shadeslayerrobinp: but youll lose your KDE customizations if any14:05
shadeslayerrobinp: just do : rm -rf .kde :14:06
robinpshadeslayer: nah its a clean install14:07
shadeslayerrobinp: ok well just login to a tty and run that command and then login to kde14:08
shadeslayerrobinp: dont run it while your in kde14:08
robinpshadeslayer: rm -rf .kde then logging out then in fixed it14:08
shadeslayerrobinp: ah well that should do it too,but i was just being cautious :)14:09
robinpshadeslayer: so im gussing the default .kde folder may have issues - ill retry the ubuntu live dvd14:10
shadeslayerrobinp: please do and file a bug against the kdebase package via ubuntu-bug kdebase-data-kde414:12
robinpshadeslayer: yeah - its missing from the livecd (dvd in this case) session as well14:16
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ping14:17
shadeslayerrobinp: please paste the bug number/link here :)14:17
robinpshadeslayer: kk - just doing it up now14:17
JontheEchidnabug 54081014:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540810 in kubuntu-default-settings "kde panel does not display on 800x600 display" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54081014:18
JontheEchidnarobinp: ^14:18
JontheEchidnalooks like an update is on the way14:18
robinpJontheEchidna: ok that saves me from typing! thanks :)14:21
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: I assume that's what you pinged about? ;)14:21
robinpmine is pretty much the same except im using vmware :)14:21
shadeslayerrobinp: yep :)14:21
shadeslayerrobinp: so youre setting up lucid in vmware?14:22
* shadeslayer thinks vmware is like a cage for lucid..14:22
shadeslayeri let these beasties take over my PC :D14:22
robinpshadeslayer: yeah - its on my macbook so I can have something to do while flying overseas :)14:23
shadeslayerrobinp: lol14:24
robinpshadeslayer: thanks for the help - hope i didn't alarm you too much :)14:25
shadeslayerrobinp: whut? no im absolutely free today!14:26
jussi01hrm, Im not sure I want to reboot atm14:26
shadeslayerhad my last exam yesterday...14:26
* shadeslayer pulls jussi01's power supply14:26
jussi01I cant start konsole, but the first time it gave me an error that it couldnt start bash...14:26
shadeslayerjussi01: do you have bash installed?14:27
jussi01shadeslayer: ...14:27
shadeslayerjussi01: jk14:27
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: oh btw is it possible to set all channels in kmix as high for the default install?14:31
JontheEchidnanot from kmix, I don't think.14:31
JontheEchidnathat stuff's probably controlled by alsa14:32
JontheEchidnacrimsun: any insight^?14:32
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: im saying this because its a usability bug,by default the sound is so low that you cant hear anything14:35
shadeslayerand in order to increase the sound you have to select all the channels and then set everything to high14:36
JontheEchidnayeah, that can be a pain sometimes. But KMix is really just a frontend for the alsa mixer system, so I don't think there's much we can do about it fron KDE14:36
ScottKJontheEchidna: While you're working on kde4libs for 321281, could you also take care of Bug #540944.  It looks like there's an upstream fix that is worth considering for backporting.14:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540944 in kde4libs "kde debugging enabled by default" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54094414:40
JontheEchidnaScottK: sure. Right now I'm making strigi be a little more quiet about its notifications14:41
ScottKI'm definitely in favor of that.14:41
JontheEchidnaHere's my plan14:41
JontheEchidnamake strigi shut up about everything except suspending for low disk space14:41
JontheEchidnathen make the tray icon passive (hidden by default) so that concerned users can still check its progress14:42
ScottKSounds about right.14:42
JontheEchidnabut never have the tray icon jump to active, since it does this entirely too much when nobody really cares14:42
nixternalmornin' kubuntu!14:48
JontheEchidnanixternal: mind if I bug ya about UI freeze stuff? An ack for bug 543463 would be nice14:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 543463 in amarok "UI Freeze Exception: remove unnecessary dialog from startup sequence" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54346314:55
nixternalJontheEchidna: looking now...I am at the Desktop Help Summit, and we were just talking about Ubuntu breaking UI freeze w/o doing exceptions or telling the documentation team...they asked me about Kubuntu and I told them we rock, then seriously, 2 minutes later you proved my point :)15:05
nixternalACK'd :)15:06
shadeslayeraha! : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/54346115:07
ubottuUbuntu bug 543461 in kdebase-workspace "Touchpad sensitivity settings are the wrong way round" [Undecided,New]15:07
shadeslayeri have exactly the same issue!15:07
shadeslayerbut! i think this is more of a driver issue than a kcm touchpad issue15:07
JontheEchidnawell, laptop manufactuers have been known to put webcams in upside down. wouldn't suprise me if the drivers were buggy15:08
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: webcams?15:08
JontheEchidnayeah. my laptop has its webcam mounted upside down15:09
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: the bug is about touchpads :)15:09
JontheEchidnaI know15:09
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: and thats just wtf15:09
JontheEchidnaBut if laptop manufactuers can screw that up, I wouldn't be suprised about crappy touchpads15:09
* shadeslayer wonders how JontheEchidna looks while he does VoiP15:10
JontheEchidnahaven't tried voip with webcam yet, actually15:10
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: try http://www.chatroulette.com/15:12
JontheEchidnaI've already had sausage this morning, thank you very much :P15:12
JontheEchidnaand that was the breakfast kind, which is quite enough for me15:13
JontheEchidnaRiddell, maco: mind if I upload amarok?15:15
nixternalJontheEchidna: hahahahahahahahaha, love the sausage and the cover up comment there :D15:16
JontheEchidna<.< >.>15:17
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: root crashes should not be acted upon I think\15:33
apacheloggerat least I implemented it that way back in the days ;)15:33
macoJontheEchidna: fine by me15:50
macoJontheEchidna: and Riddell's canoeing today, so i doubt youll get an answer from him soon15:50
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nixternalhey, apachelogger is a Fedora lover fyi. espionage, traitor, just 2 words that come to mind16:11
nixternalthere is an open spot or two at guantanamo bay with his name written all over it16:12
nixternal11:13:07     gecos  | Harald Sitter                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Tonio_16:13
nixternal11:13:07  channels  | #kde-devel #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #fedora-kde #kubuntu #ubuntu-meeting #kubuntu-netbook #kubuntu-bugs16:13
ScottKI don't think he's large enough to need two.16:18
nixternalhe is now an officer in Fedora16:19
nixternal11:14:33 [   thomasj] apachelogger, welcome aboard officer16:20
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fedoraloggernixternal: do you happen to know what a knowledge area is?16:58
nixternalfedoralogger: can't say that I do, but common sense, if i had any, would lead me to believe it would be an area where knowledge is stored...ie. ubuntu forums could be considered a knowledge area?17:15
Mamaroknew record: total installation time: 17 minutes, including kde-full17:15
Mamarokcongratulations, Lucid is really fast17:16
Mamarokand the slide show presenting Kubuntu during installation is nice :)17:16
Mamarokbut it says KDE4 desktop, shouldn't this read KDE4 Software Compilation?17:17
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ScottKThat or KDE Plasma Workspace.17:18
ScottKnixternal is the one to fix it, I think.17:18
nixternalMamarok: I don't think the new test is in the slideshow installer yet17:26
shadeslayerMamarok: i would have that install speed too...only if my internet connection was faster :P17:26
Mamarokreally nice work, I like Lucid :)17:29
Mamarok*d works out of the box, too17:29
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shadeslayerMamarok: its supposed too :P17:30
shadeslayerespecially since its a LTS release :D17:31
Mamarokthat should have read 3D, of course17:37
shadeslayerMamarok: ah nvidia,Ati or intel?17:38
Mamarokshadeslayer: ATI17:39
shadeslayerMamarok: thats awesome! nvidia here... 3D isnt working with nouveau17:41
MamarokI never had Nvidia17:41
Tm_Tshadeslayer: what parts of 3D isn't working?17:41
Mamarokalways ATI or Intel, though I only try the built-in Intel every now and then17:42
shadeslayerTm_T: every part of it :P17:42
Tm_Tshadeslayer: I doubt17:42
DarkwingDucknixternal: ping17:42
shadeslayerTm_T: openGL breaks into pieces..17:42
Tm_Tshadeslayer: even with glxgears?17:42
shadeslayerTm_T: xrender doesnt work.. with 3D17:42
shadeslayerTm_T: you mean the mesa-utils package?17:43
nixternalDarkwingDuck: pong17:43
DarkwingDucknixternal: I finally got internet at the in-laws17:44
Tm_Tshadeslayer: I guess, I mean running glxgears17:44
DarkwingDucknixternal: I'll be emailing you the docs in a few17:44
shadeslayerTm_T: ah i didnt run glxgears...17:44
DarkwingDuckI'm adding final touches on the desktop doc now17:44
shadeslayerTm_T: i just tried out kde's window effects... no desktop cube etc17:44
Tm_Tbah, that's poor test for "any 3D" (:17:45
shadeslayerTm_T: also the cover flow effect17:45
shadeslayerTm_T: hmm... also the 2D was sluggish17:45
nixternalDarkwingDuck: groovy. I am going to probably start working on the package this evening. I am still at the desktop help summit so i am working on docs, but not working on docs17:49
nixternalfedoralogger: with knowledge area, were you by chance speaking of the management/project management definition?17:52
fedoraloggernixternal: the knowledge management definition17:52
fedoraloggernixternal: 100% brainfuck lecture17:53
fedoraloggereven hci is better than that17:53
nixternalright, so knowledge area in that source refers to a way or process of collecting and storing knowledge data17:54
fedoraloggercheck out my OS!!!17:55
fedoraloggernixternal: thanks :)17:56
* JontheEchidna putters along with his 1.5 mbps connection17:58
shadeslayerfedoralogger: haha.... IE6!17:59
fedoraloggerin wine!17:59
shadeslayerfedoralogger: did you try and run sputnik on it?17:59
fedoraloggerno, what is that18:00
shadeslayerfedoralogger: google's way of effectively killing browsers18:00
shadeslayerfedoralogger: http://sputnik.googlelabs.com/18:00
shadeslayerfedoralogger: rekonq and konqueror went kaput!18:01
fedoraloggerie6 not18:01
fedoraloggerit just doesnt load that page18:01
fedoraloggerweeh :D18:01
shadeslayerchromium went on to complete the test18:01
shadeslayerwith 231 failed tests :D18:02
shadeslayerfedoralogger: nice!18:02
shadeslayerfedoralogger: they have it on google code as well18:02
shadeslayerfedoralogger: http://sputniktests.googlecode.com/18:03
shadeslayerah..new lang packs18:04
shadeslayerand binutils18:04
JontheEchidnashould be a new amarok and k3b on the way soon, if they're not already there18:05
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: well im using my country mirror...so probably by tomorroq18:07
crimsunshadeslayer: provided you aren't using pulse, just set the desired mixer controls to "high" (whatever that is for your taste)18:09
crimsunshadeslayer: there is fundamentally no way to expose quirk information from the hardware level up to kmix18:09
crimsun(which is different to both Mac OS and Windows XP/Vista/7)18:09
crimsunshadeslayer: that said, you certainly could edit /lib/udev/alsa-utils to your desired settings for the start() target, but that's only valid for the very first boot/install anyhow, and it's very specific to your system.18:10
shadeslayercrimsun: ah ok18:11
shadeslayercrimsun: so there is no way to tweak this in the packaging it self?18:11
crimsunshadeslayer: the alsa-utils source/binary ships debian/init (installed as /lib/udev/alsa-utils)18:12
crimsunshadeslayer: however, I am not going to change it in the initscript, because it's either a hardware problem or a driver issue, and I'm tired of papering over problems in other packages.18:13
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shadeslayercrimsun: thats fine...18:23
shadeslayercrimsun: the problem is not that huge...18:24
shadeslayeranyways gtg... good night everyone :)18:24
Tm_Tshadeslayer: sleep well18:25
shadeslayerTm_T: hehe...18:25
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JontheEchidnanixternal: apparently I should put "can make a pretty picture with Potato guy" on my resume, if your blog comments are to be believed20:04
nixternalhahaha, that is Phil Bull, Ubuntu documentation writer who is here at that summit with me...it has a bunch of inside jokes taking jabs at stuff like buttons on the left20:06
nixternalsee my buttons in the window where they are located?20:06
nixternaland that is obviously sabdfl preaching to the little aliens at UDS :)20:06
ScottKJust got spammed by rosetta, so kdebase-workspace must have been accepted.20:41
fedoraloggerhere is a quality subject that just recently got discussed in a cpp newsgroup "char* vs. cstring" ;)21:32
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fedoraloggerJontheEchidna: you can do that? Oo23:47
fedoraloggerJontheEchidna: kubuntu-bugs is now monitoring kcm-touchpad23:53
* fedoralogger does not understand bug 53851223:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538512 in kubuntu-default-settings "Preconfigure font rendering settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53851223:56

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