[00:41] <JontheEchidna> Could I get a peer review on this? http://pastebin.com/DjNjCBxj
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> As long as we add the following to nepomukserverrc in k-d-s:
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> [Service-nepomukstrigiservice]
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> First start=true
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> That patch will disable strigi indexing on computers with less than 1 GB ram
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, I forgot to change the ">" sign to a "<" sign in the pastebin :)
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> all in all, should save ~60MB of RAM on sub-1GB RAM systems
[01:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How about 1GB or less.  That'd catch most netbooks and I think that's a good thing.
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> sounds good
[02:35] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt
[02:44] <nigelb> nixternal: nice ;)
[03:45] <rob____> Anyone know how I can restart Plasma as part of a DEB post-install step? I'm writing a Plasmoid that interacts with D-Bus and it's not working until I restart the desktop.
[06:50] <bince> does anyone know how to use petiboot to install kubuntu
[06:51] <bince> i am trying it to install it on ps3 i downloaded kubuntu alternate 9.1 powerpc edition
[07:00] <bince_> anyone knows hw to install linux on ps3
[08:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is it just me or does knh just like unk not report apport stuff  at the time of crash?
[08:42] <apachelogger> I only get reports on login
[09:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: any reasons why I shouldn't upgrade to beta?
[09:32] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I would first run the live cd to ensure that graphics works :)
[09:32] <apachelogger> but other htan that I dont see why not
[09:34] <Mamarok> apachelogger: what known problems are there with graphics?
[09:35] <apachelogger> I am not up to date
[09:35] <apachelogger> but I have heared the nvidia stuff is causing problems
[09:35] <apachelogger> the free driver anyway
[09:35] <Mamarok> I have ATI, and the Radeon drivers work here in Karmic
[09:35] <apachelogger> well, then you should be good
[09:36] <Mamarok> OK, reinstalling my system then
[09:37] <Sput> can't you just upgrade, Mamarok?
[09:39] <Mamarok> Sput: I want to get rid of the encryption, so reinstall it will be, since I encrypted the FS
[09:40] <Mamarok> and I want to get rid of the Windows partioton, too, since I never use them anyway
[09:40] <Sput> Mamarok: any particular reason to unencrpyt? too slow?
[09:40] <Mamarok> yep, utterly slow
[09:43] <Sput> ok, so I'll stick with my decision to not do full-disk encryption
[09:45] <Mamarok> yeah, I will not repeat that, nor would I encrypt a /home/usr folder neither
[09:47] <Mamarok> having a race horse and slowing it down is not exactly a good idea
[09:52] <apachelogger> well
[09:52] <apachelogger> most hardware implementations of encryption already come with a considerable overhead
[09:53] <apachelogger> no wonder a pure software implementation slows down that much :)
[10:58] <apachelogger> aptcc++
[10:58] <apachelogger> works pretty nicely :)
[11:47] <apachelogger> this new dr konqi is rather awesome
[11:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i love it too :D
[11:49] <Tm_T> new?
[11:50] <apachelogger> well, I used it for the first time in years :P
[11:50] <apachelogger> much better HCI
[11:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol :D
[11:50] <apachelogger> talking about HCI, I should get ready for a meeting
[11:55]  * shadeslayer wonders why mischasworld_ has 2 nicks here
[11:56] <Tm_T> he likes us that much?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I can get it to report crashes as they happen, sometimes. It doesn't get every one though
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> perhaps some kdirwatch unreliability
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I have found cases where apport won't be able to make a report without being root
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> e.g. when the kernel fails to install or a daemon running as root crashes
[13:50] <robinp> I just installed the beta from the amd64 dvd, however I have no kicker by default - how do I get it back & is this a known bug (I couldn't see it specifically listed in the known bugs)
[14:00] <shadeslayer> robinp: hmm... did it work on the live cd?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> robinp: oh and you mean the K in the taskbar? just go to add widgets and add the Application launcher
[14:02] <robinp> im not sure if it worked on the live cd - i didn't look too closely - just double clicked the 'install kubuntu' icon
[14:02] <freeflying> I switched back to mutt eventually
[14:03] <shadeslayer> robinp: hehe... well if you still have the DVD lying around can you check it afterwards and report a bug?
[14:03] <robinp> shadeslayer: and i mean the whole bar is missing - not just the kde menu!
[14:03] <shadeslayer> robinp: :o
[14:03] <shadeslayer> robinp: ok well just add the panel by right click on the dekstop and add panel
[14:04] <robinp> shadeslayer: ok - i was kinda hoping there was some way where I didn't have to build the whole thing  from scratch
[14:05] <shadeslayer> robinp: hmm that can be done too
[14:05] <shadeslayer> robinp: but youll lose your KDE customizations if any
[14:06] <shadeslayer> robinp: just do : rm -rf .kde :
[14:07] <robinp> shadeslayer: nah its a clean install
[14:08] <shadeslayer> robinp: ok well just login to a tty and run that command and then login to kde
[14:08] <shadeslayer> robinp: dont run it while your in kde
[14:08] <robinp> shadeslayer: rm -rf .kde then logging out then in fixed it
[14:09] <shadeslayer> robinp: ah well that should do it too,but i was just being cautious :)
[14:10] <robinp> shadeslayer: so im gussing the default .kde folder may have issues - ill retry the ubuntu live dvd
[14:12] <shadeslayer> robinp: please do and file a bug against the kdebase package via ubuntu-bug kdebase-data-kde4
[14:16] <robinp> shadeslayer: yeah - its missing from the livecd (dvd in this case) session as well
[14:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:17] <shadeslayer> robinp: please paste the bug number/link here :)
[14:17] <robinp> shadeslayer: kk - just doing it up now
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> bug 540810
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> robinp: ^
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> looks like an update is on the way
[14:21] <robinp> JontheEchidna: ok that saves me from typing! thanks :)
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I assume that's what you pinged about? ;)
[14:21] <robinp> mine is pretty much the same except im using vmware :)
[14:21] <shadeslayer> robinp: yep :)
[14:22] <shadeslayer> robinp: so youre setting up lucid in vmware?
[14:22]  * shadeslayer thinks vmware is like a cage for lucid..
[14:22] <shadeslayer> i let these beasties take over my PC :D
[14:23] <robinp> shadeslayer: yeah - its on my macbook so I can have something to do while flying overseas :)
[14:24] <shadeslayer> robinp: lol
[14:25] <robinp> shadeslayer: thanks for the help - hope i didn't alarm you too much :)
[14:26] <shadeslayer> robinp: whut? no im absolutely free today!
[14:26] <jussi01> hrm, Im not sure I want to reboot atm
[14:26] <shadeslayer> had my last exam yesterday...
[14:26]  * shadeslayer pulls jussi01's power supply
[14:26] <jussi01> I cant start konsole, but the first time it gave me an error that it couldnt start bash...
[14:27] <shadeslayer> jussi01: do you have bash installed?
[14:27] <jussi01> shadeslayer: ...
[14:27] <shadeslayer> jussi01: jk
[14:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oh btw is it possible to set all channels in kmix as high for the default install?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> not from kmix, I don't think.
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> that stuff's probably controlled by alsa
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> crimsun: any insight^?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: im saying this because its a usability bug,by default the sound is so low that you cant hear anything
[14:36] <shadeslayer> and in order to increase the sound you have to select all the channels and then set everything to high
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that can be a pain sometimes. But KMix is really just a frontend for the alsa mixer system, so I don't think there's much we can do about it fron KDE
[14:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: While you're working on kde4libs for 321281, could you also take care of Bug #540944.  It looks like there's an upstream fix that is worth considering for backporting.
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sure. Right now I'm making strigi be a little more quiet about its notifications
[14:41] <ScottK> I'm definitely in favor of that.
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> Here's my plan
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> make strigi shut up about everything except suspending for low disk space
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> then make the tray icon passive (hidden by default) so that concerned users can still check its progress
[14:42] <ScottK> Sounds about right.
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> but never have the tray icon jump to active, since it does this entirely too much when nobody really cares
[14:43] <ScottK> Good.
[14:48] <nixternal> mornin' kubuntu!
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> moin
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: mind if I bug ya about UI freeze stuff? An ack for bug 543463 would be nice
[15:05] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: looking now...I am at the Desktop Help Summit, and we were just talking about Ubuntu breaking UI freeze w/o doing exceptions or telling the documentation team...they asked me about Kubuntu and I told them we rock, then seriously, 2 minutes later you proved my point :)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> :D
[15:06] <nixternal> ACK'd :)
[15:07] <shadeslayer> aha! : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/543461
[15:07] <shadeslayer> i have exactly the same issue!
[15:07] <shadeslayer> but! i think this is more of a driver issue than a kcm touchpad issue
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> well, laptop manufactuers have been known to put webcams in upside down. wouldn't suprise me if the drivers were buggy
[15:08] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: webcams?
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> yeah. my laptop has its webcam mounted upside down
[15:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: the bug is about touchpads :)
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> I know
[15:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: and thats just wtf
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> But if laptop manufactuers can screw that up, I wouldn't be suprised about crappy touchpads
[15:10] <shadeslayer> ohhh...
[15:10]  * shadeslayer wonders how JontheEchidna looks while he does VoiP
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> haven't tried voip with webcam yet, actually
[15:11] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: try http://www.chatroulette.com/
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> I've already had sausage this morning, thank you very much :P
[15:12] <Tm_T> ...
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> and that was the breakfast kind, which is quite enough for me
[15:13] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, maco: mind if I upload amarok?
[15:16] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: hahahahahahahahaha, love the sausage and the cover up comment there :D
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> <.< >.>
[15:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: root crashes should not be acted upon I think\
[15:33] <apachelogger> at least I implemented it that way back in the days ;)
[15:50] <maco> JontheEchidna: fine by me
[15:50] <maco> JontheEchidna: and Riddell's canoeing today, so i doubt youll get an answer from him soon
[16:11] <nixternal> hey, apachelogger is a Fedora lover fyi. espionage, traitor, just 2 words that come to mind
[16:12] <nixternal> there is an open spot or two at guantanamo bay with his name written all over it
[16:12] <apachelogger> omg!
[16:12] <nixternal> hahaha
[16:13] <nixternal> 11:13:07     gecos  | Harald Sitter                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Tonio_
[16:13] <nixternal> 11:13:07  channels  | #kde-devel #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #fedora-kde #kubuntu #ubuntu-meeting #kubuntu-netbook #kubuntu-bugs
[16:18] <ScottK> I don't think he's large enough to need two.
[16:19] <nixternal> he is now an officer in Fedora
[16:20] <nixternal> 11:14:33 [   thomasj] apachelogger, welcome aboard officer
[16:58] <fedoralogger> nixternal: do you happen to know what a knowledge area is?
[17:15] <nixternal> fedoralogger: can't say that I do, but common sense, if i had any, would lead me to believe it would be an area where knowledge is stored...ie. ubuntu forums could be considered a knowledge area?
[17:15] <Mamarok> new record: total installation time: 17 minutes, including kde-full
[17:16] <Mamarok> congratulations, Lucid is really fast
[17:16] <Mamarok> and the slide show presenting Kubuntu during installation is nice :)
[17:17] <Mamarok> but it says KDE4 desktop, shouldn't this read KDE4 Software Compilation?
[17:18] <ScottK> That or KDE Plasma Workspace.
[17:18] <ScottK> nixternal is the one to fix it, I think.
[17:26] <nixternal> Mamarok: I don't think the new test is in the slideshow installer yet
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i would have that install speed too...only if my internet connection was faster :P
[17:29] <Mamarok> really nice work, I like Lucid :)
[17:29] <Mamarok> *d works out of the box, too
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its supposed too :P
[17:31] <shadeslayer> especially since its a LTS release :D
[17:37] <Mamarok> that should have read 3D, of course
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah nvidia,Ati or intel?
[17:39] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ATI
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: thats awesome! nvidia here... 3D isnt working with nouveau
[17:41] <Mamarok> I never had Nvidia
[17:41] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: what parts of 3D isn't working?
[17:42] <Mamarok> always ATI or Intel, though I only try the built-in Intel every now and then
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: every part of it :P
[17:42] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I doubt
[17:42] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: openGL breaks into pieces..
[17:42] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: even with glxgears?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: xrender doesnt work.. with 3D
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: you mean the mesa-utils package?
[17:43] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pong
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I finally got internet at the in-laws
[17:44] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I guess, I mean running glxgears
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'll be emailing you the docs in a few
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ah i didnt run glxgears...
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'm adding final touches on the desktop doc now
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i just tried out kde's window effects... no desktop cube etc
[17:45] <Tm_T> bah, that's poor test for "any 3D" (:
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: also the cover flow effect
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hmm... also the 2D was sluggish
[17:49] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: groovy. I am going to probably start working on the package this evening. I am still at the desktop help summit so i am working on docs, but not working on docs
[17:52] <nixternal> fedoralogger: with knowledge area, were you by chance speaking of the management/project management definition?
[17:52] <fedoralogger> nixternal: the knowledge management definition
[17:53] <fedoralogger> nixternal: 100% brainfuck lecture
[17:53] <nixternal> lol
[17:53] <fedoralogger> srsly
[17:53] <fedoralogger> even hci is better than that
[17:54] <nixternal> right, so knowledge area in that source refers to a way or process of collecting and storing knowledge data
[17:55] <fedoralogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/snapshot8.png
[17:55] <fedoralogger> check out my OS!!!
[17:56] <fedoralogger> nixternal: thanks :)
[17:58]  * JontheEchidna putters along with his 1.5 mbps connection
[17:59] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: haha.... IE6!
[17:59] <fedoralogger> in wine!
[17:59] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: did you try and run sputnik on it?
[18:00] <fedoralogger> no, what is that
[18:00] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: google's way of effectively killing browsers
[18:00] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: http://sputnik.googlelabs.com/
[18:01] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: rekonq and konqueror went kaput!
[18:01] <fedoralogger> ie6 not
[18:01] <fedoralogger> it just doesnt load that page
[18:01] <fedoralogger> weeh :D
[18:01] <shadeslayer> chromium went on to complete the test
[18:02] <shadeslayer> with 231 failed tests :D
[18:02] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: nice!
[18:02] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: they have it on google code as well
[18:03] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: http://sputniktests.googlecode.com/
[18:04] <shadeslayer> ah..new lang packs
[18:04] <shadeslayer> and binutils
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> should be a new amarok and k3b on the way soon, if they're not already there
[18:07] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: well im using my country mirror...so probably by tomorroq
[18:08] <shadeslayer> *tomorrow
[18:09] <crimsun> shadeslayer: provided you aren't using pulse, just set the desired mixer controls to "high" (whatever that is for your taste)
[18:09] <crimsun> shadeslayer: there is fundamentally no way to expose quirk information from the hardware level up to kmix
[18:09] <crimsun> (which is different to both Mac OS and Windows XP/Vista/7)
[18:10] <crimsun> shadeslayer: that said, you certainly could edit /lib/udev/alsa-utils to your desired settings for the start() target, but that's only valid for the very first boot/install anyhow, and it's very specific to your system.
[18:11] <shadeslayer> crimsun: ah ok
[18:11] <shadeslayer> crimsun: so there is no way to tweak this in the packaging it self?
[18:12] <crimsun> shadeslayer: the alsa-utils source/binary ships debian/init (installed as /lib/udev/alsa-utils)
[18:12] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:13] <crimsun> shadeslayer: however, I am not going to change it in the initscript, because it's either a hardware problem or a driver issue, and I'm tired of papering over problems in other packages.
[18:23] <shadeslayer> crimsun: thats fine...
[18:24] <shadeslayer> crimsun: the problem is not that huge...
[18:24] <shadeslayer> anyways gtg... good night everyone :)
[18:25] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: sleep well
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hehe...
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: apparently I should put "can make a pretty picture with Potato guy" on my resume, if your blog comments are to be believed
[20:06] <nixternal> hahaha, that is Phil Bull, Ubuntu documentation writer who is here at that summit with me...it has a bunch of inside jokes taking jabs at stuff like buttons on the left
[20:06] <nixternal> see my buttons in the window where they are located?
[20:06] <nixternal> and that is obviously sabdfl preaching to the little aliens at UDS :)
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:41] <ScottK> Just got spammed by rosetta, so kdebase-workspace must have been accepted.
[21:32] <fedoralogger> here is a quality subject that just recently got discussed in a cpp newsgroup "char* vs. cstring" ;)
[23:47] <fedoralogger> JontheEchidna: you can do that? Oo
[23:53] <fedoralogger> JontheEchidna: kubuntu-bugs is now monitoring kcm-touchpad
[23:56]  * fedoralogger does not understand bug 538512