[00:41] Could I get a peer review on this? http://pastebin.com/DjNjCBxj [00:42] As long as we add the following to nepomukserverrc in k-d-s: [00:42] [Service-nepomukstrigiservice] [00:42] First start=true [00:42] That patch will disable strigi indexing on computers with less than 1 GB ram [00:47] oh, I forgot to change the ">" sign to a "<" sign in the pastebin :) [00:53] all in all, should save ~60MB of RAM on sub-1GB RAM systems [01:57] JontheEchidna: How about 1GB or less. That'd catch most netbooks and I think that's a good thing. [02:03] sounds good [02:35] http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt [02:44] nixternal: nice ;) [03:45] Anyone know how I can restart Plasma as part of a DEB post-install step? I'm writing a Plasmoid that interacts with D-Bus and it's not working until I restart the desktop. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [06:50] does anyone know how to use petiboot to install kubuntu [06:51] i am trying it to install it on ps3 i downloaded kubuntu alternate 9.1 powerpc edition [07:00] anyone knows hw to install linux on ps3 [08:41] JontheEchidna: is it just me or does knh just like unk not report apport stuff at the time of crash? [08:42] I only get reports on login [09:14] apachelogger: any reasons why I shouldn't upgrade to beta? [09:32] Mamarok: I would first run the live cd to ensure that graphics works :) [09:32] but other htan that I dont see why not [09:34] apachelogger: what known problems are there with graphics? [09:35] I am not up to date [09:35] but I have heared the nvidia stuff is causing problems [09:35] the free driver anyway [09:35] I have ATI, and the Radeon drivers work here in Karmic [09:35] well, then you should be good [09:36] OK, reinstalling my system then [09:37] can't you just upgrade, Mamarok? [09:39] Sput: I want to get rid of the encryption, so reinstall it will be, since I encrypted the FS [09:40] and I want to get rid of the Windows partioton, too, since I never use them anyway [09:40] Mamarok: any particular reason to unencrpyt? too slow? [09:40] yep, utterly slow === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [09:43] ok, so I'll stick with my decision to not do full-disk encryption [09:45] yeah, I will not repeat that, nor would I encrypt a /home/usr folder neither [09:47] having a race horse and slowing it down is not exactly a good idea [09:52] well [09:52] most hardware implementations of encryption already come with a considerable overhead [09:53] no wonder a pure software implementation slows down that much :) [10:58] aptcc++ [10:58] works pretty nicely :) [11:47] this new dr konqi is rather awesome [11:49] apachelogger: yeah i love it too :D [11:49] new? [11:50] well, I used it for the first time in years :P [11:50] much better HCI [11:50] apachelogger: lol :D [11:50] talking about HCI, I should get ready for a meeting [11:55] * shadeslayer wonders why mischasworld_ has 2 nicks here [11:56] he likes us that much? [11:58] :D [12:40] apachelogger: I can get it to report crashes as they happen, sometimes. It doesn't get every one though [12:40] perhaps some kdirwatch unreliability [12:40] apachelogger: I have found cases where apport won't be able to make a report without being root [12:41] e.g. when the kernel fails to install or a daemon running as root crashes [13:50] I just installed the beta from the amd64 dvd, however I have no kicker by default - how do I get it back & is this a known bug (I couldn't see it specifically listed in the known bugs) [14:00] robinp: hmm... did it work on the live cd? [14:01] robinp: oh and you mean the K in the taskbar? just go to add widgets and add the Application launcher [14:02] im not sure if it worked on the live cd - i didn't look too closely - just double clicked the 'install kubuntu' icon [14:02] I switched back to mutt eventually [14:03] robinp: hehe... well if you still have the DVD lying around can you check it afterwards and report a bug? [14:03] shadeslayer: and i mean the whole bar is missing - not just the kde menu! [14:03] robinp: :o [14:03] robinp: ok well just add the panel by right click on the dekstop and add panel [14:04] shadeslayer: ok - i was kinda hoping there was some way where I didn't have to build the whole thing from scratch [14:05] robinp: hmm that can be done too [14:05] robinp: but youll lose your KDE customizations if any [14:06] robinp: just do : rm -rf .kde : [14:07] shadeslayer: nah its a clean install [14:08] robinp: ok well just login to a tty and run that command and then login to kde [14:08] robinp: dont run it while your in kde [14:08] shadeslayer: rm -rf .kde then logging out then in fixed it [14:09] robinp: ah well that should do it too,but i was just being cautious :) [14:10] shadeslayer: so im gussing the default .kde folder may have issues - ill retry the ubuntu live dvd [14:12] robinp: please do and file a bug against the kdebase package via ubuntu-bug kdebase-data-kde4 [14:16] shadeslayer: yeah - its missing from the livecd (dvd in this case) session as well [14:17] JontheEchidna: ping [14:17] robinp: please paste the bug number/link here :) [14:17] shadeslayer: kk - just doing it up now [14:18] bug 540810 [14:18] Launchpad bug 540810 in kubuntu-default-settings "kde panel does not display on 800x600 display" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540810 [14:18] robinp: ^ [14:18] looks like an update is on the way [14:21] JontheEchidna: ok that saves me from typing! thanks :) [14:21] shadeslayer: I assume that's what you pinged about? ;) [14:21] mine is pretty much the same except im using vmware :) [14:21] robinp: yep :) [14:22] robinp: so youre setting up lucid in vmware? [14:22] * shadeslayer thinks vmware is like a cage for lucid.. [14:22] i let these beasties take over my PC :D [14:23] shadeslayer: yeah - its on my macbook so I can have something to do while flying overseas :) [14:24] robinp: lol [14:25] shadeslayer: thanks for the help - hope i didn't alarm you too much :) [14:26] robinp: whut? no im absolutely free today! [14:26] hrm, Im not sure I want to reboot atm [14:26] had my last exam yesterday... [14:26] * shadeslayer pulls jussi01's power supply [14:26] I cant start konsole, but the first time it gave me an error that it couldnt start bash... [14:27] jussi01: do you have bash installed? [14:27] shadeslayer: ... [14:27] jussi01: jk [14:31] JontheEchidna: oh btw is it possible to set all channels in kmix as high for the default install? [14:31] not from kmix, I don't think. [14:32] that stuff's probably controlled by alsa [14:32] crimsun: any insight^? [14:35] JontheEchidna: im saying this because its a usability bug,by default the sound is so low that you cant hear anything [14:36] and in order to increase the sound you have to select all the channels and then set everything to high [14:36] yeah, that can be a pain sometimes. But KMix is really just a frontend for the alsa mixer system, so I don't think there's much we can do about it fron KDE [14:40] JontheEchidna: While you're working on kde4libs for 321281, could you also take care of Bug #540944. It looks like there's an upstream fix that is worth considering for backporting. [14:40] Launchpad bug 540944 in kde4libs "kde debugging enabled by default" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540944 [14:41] ScottK: sure. Right now I'm making strigi be a little more quiet about its notifications [14:41] I'm definitely in favor of that. [14:41] Here's my plan [14:41] make strigi shut up about everything except suspending for low disk space [14:42] then make the tray icon passive (hidden by default) so that concerned users can still check its progress [14:42] Sounds about right. [14:42] but never have the tray icon jump to active, since it does this entirely too much when nobody really cares [14:43] Good. [14:48] mornin' kubuntu! [14:51] moin [14:55] nixternal: mind if I bug ya about UI freeze stuff? An ack for bug 543463 would be nice [14:55] Launchpad bug 543463 in amarok "UI Freeze Exception: remove unnecessary dialog from startup sequence" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543463 [15:05] JontheEchidna: looking now...I am at the Desktop Help Summit, and we were just talking about Ubuntu breaking UI freeze w/o doing exceptions or telling the documentation team...they asked me about Kubuntu and I told them we rock, then seriously, 2 minutes later you proved my point :) [15:06] :D [15:06] ACK'd :) [15:07] aha! : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/543461 [15:07] Ubuntu bug 543461 in kdebase-workspace "Touchpad sensitivity settings are the wrong way round" [Undecided,New] [15:07] i have exactly the same issue! [15:07] but! i think this is more of a driver issue than a kcm touchpad issue [15:08] well, laptop manufactuers have been known to put webcams in upside down. wouldn't suprise me if the drivers were buggy [15:08] JontheEchidna: webcams? [15:09] yeah. my laptop has its webcam mounted upside down [15:09] JontheEchidna: the bug is about touchpads :) [15:09] I know [15:09] JontheEchidna: and thats just wtf [15:09] But if laptop manufactuers can screw that up, I wouldn't be suprised about crappy touchpads [15:10] ohhh... [15:10] * shadeslayer wonders how JontheEchidna looks while he does VoiP [15:10] haven't tried voip with webcam yet, actually [15:11] :D [15:12] JontheEchidna: try http://www.chatroulette.com/ [15:12] I've already had sausage this morning, thank you very much :P [15:12] ... [15:13] and that was the breakfast kind, which is quite enough for me [15:13] :D [15:15] Riddell, maco: mind if I upload amarok? [15:16] JontheEchidna: hahahahahahahahaha, love the sausage and the cover up comment there :D [15:17] <.< >.> [15:33] JontheEchidna: root crashes should not be acted upon I think\ [15:33] at least I implemented it that way back in the days ;) [15:50] JontheEchidna: fine by me [15:50] JontheEchidna: and Riddell's canoeing today, so i doubt youll get an answer from him soon === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ [16:11] hey, apachelogger is a Fedora lover fyi. espionage, traitor, just 2 words that come to mind [16:12] there is an open spot or two at guantanamo bay with his name written all over it [16:12] omg! [16:12] hahaha [16:13] 11:13:07 gecos | Harald Sitter Tonio_ [16:13] 11:13:07 channels | #kde-devel #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #fedora-kde #kubuntu #ubuntu-meeting #kubuntu-netbook #kubuntu-bugs [16:18] I don't think he's large enough to need two. [16:19] he is now an officer in Fedora [16:20] 11:14:33 [ thomasj] apachelogger, welcome aboard officer === verbalshadow is now known as verbalshadow_ === verbalshadow_ is now known as verbalshadow === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [16:58] nixternal: do you happen to know what a knowledge area is? [17:15] fedoralogger: can't say that I do, but common sense, if i had any, would lead me to believe it would be an area where knowledge is stored...ie. ubuntu forums could be considered a knowledge area? [17:15] new record: total installation time: 17 minutes, including kde-full [17:16] congratulations, Lucid is really fast [17:16] and the slide show presenting Kubuntu during installation is nice :) [17:17] but it says KDE4 desktop, shouldn't this read KDE4 Software Compilation? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:18] That or KDE Plasma Workspace. [17:18] nixternal is the one to fix it, I think. [17:26] Mamarok: I don't think the new test is in the slideshow installer yet [17:26] Mamarok: i would have that install speed too...only if my internet connection was faster :P [17:29] really nice work, I like Lucid :) [17:29] *d works out of the box, too === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [17:30] Mamarok: its supposed too :P [17:31] especially since its a LTS release :D [17:37] that should have read 3D, of course [17:38] Mamarok: ah nvidia,Ati or intel? [17:39] shadeslayer: ATI [17:41] Mamarok: thats awesome! nvidia here... 3D isnt working with nouveau [17:41] I never had Nvidia [17:41] shadeslayer: what parts of 3D isn't working? [17:42] always ATI or Intel, though I only try the built-in Intel every now and then [17:42] Tm_T: every part of it :P [17:42] shadeslayer: I doubt [17:42] nixternal: ping [17:42] Tm_T: openGL breaks into pieces.. [17:42] shadeslayer: even with glxgears? [17:42] Tm_T: xrender doesnt work.. with 3D [17:43] Tm_T: you mean the mesa-utils package? [17:43] DarkwingDuck: pong [17:44] nixternal: I finally got internet at the in-laws [17:44] shadeslayer: I guess, I mean running glxgears [17:44] nixternal: I'll be emailing you the docs in a few [17:44] Tm_T: ah i didnt run glxgears... [17:44] I'm adding final touches on the desktop doc now [17:44] Tm_T: i just tried out kde's window effects... no desktop cube etc [17:45] bah, that's poor test for "any 3D" (: [17:45] Tm_T: also the cover flow effect [17:45] Tm_T: hmm... also the 2D was sluggish [17:49] DarkwingDuck: groovy. I am going to probably start working on the package this evening. I am still at the desktop help summit so i am working on docs, but not working on docs [17:52] fedoralogger: with knowledge area, were you by chance speaking of the management/project management definition? [17:52] nixternal: the knowledge management definition [17:53] nixternal: 100% brainfuck lecture [17:53] lol [17:53] srsly [17:53] even hci is better than that [17:54] right, so knowledge area in that source refers to a way or process of collecting and storing knowledge data [17:55] http://aplg.kollide.net/snapshot8.png [17:55] check out my OS!!! [17:56] nixternal: thanks :) [17:58] * JontheEchidna putters along with his 1.5 mbps connection [17:59] fedoralogger: haha.... IE6! [17:59] in wine! [17:59] fedoralogger: did you try and run sputnik on it? [18:00] no, what is that [18:00] fedoralogger: google's way of effectively killing browsers [18:00] fedoralogger: http://sputnik.googlelabs.com/ [18:01] fedoralogger: rekonq and konqueror went kaput! [18:01] ie6 not [18:01] it just doesnt load that page [18:01] weeh :D [18:01] chromium went on to complete the test [18:02] with 231 failed tests :D [18:02] fedoralogger: nice! [18:02] fedoralogger: they have it on google code as well [18:03] fedoralogger: http://sputniktests.googlecode.com/ [18:04] ah..new lang packs [18:04] and binutils [18:05] should be a new amarok and k3b on the way soon, if they're not already there [18:07] JontheEchidna: well im using my country mirror...so probably by tomorroq [18:08] *tomorrow [18:09] shadeslayer: provided you aren't using pulse, just set the desired mixer controls to "high" (whatever that is for your taste) [18:09] shadeslayer: there is fundamentally no way to expose quirk information from the hardware level up to kmix [18:09] (which is different to both Mac OS and Windows XP/Vista/7) [18:10] shadeslayer: that said, you certainly could edit /lib/udev/alsa-utils to your desired settings for the start() target, but that's only valid for the very first boot/install anyhow, and it's very specific to your system. [18:11] crimsun: ah ok [18:11] crimsun: so there is no way to tweak this in the packaging it self? [18:12] shadeslayer: the alsa-utils source/binary ships debian/init (installed as /lib/udev/alsa-utils) [18:12] ok [18:13] shadeslayer: however, I am not going to change it in the initscript, because it's either a hardware problem or a driver issue, and I'm tired of papering over problems in other packages. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:23] crimsun: thats fine... [18:24] crimsun: the problem is not that huge... [18:24] anyways gtg... good night everyone :) [18:25] shadeslayer: sleep well [18:25] Tm_T: hehe... === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [20:04] nixternal: apparently I should put "can make a pretty picture with Potato guy" on my resume, if your blog comments are to be believed [20:06] hahaha, that is Phil Bull, Ubuntu documentation writer who is here at that summit with me...it has a bunch of inside jokes taking jabs at stuff like buttons on the left [20:06] see my buttons in the window where they are located? [20:06] and that is obviously sabdfl preaching to the little aliens at UDS :) [20:07] :P [20:41] Just got spammed by rosetta, so kdebase-workspace must have been accepted. [21:32] here is a quality subject that just recently got discussed in a cpp newsgroup "char* vs. cstring" ;) === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [23:47] JontheEchidna: you can do that? Oo [23:53] JontheEchidna: kubuntu-bugs is now monitoring kcm-touchpad [23:56] * fedoralogger does not understand bug 538512 [23:56] Launchpad bug 538512 in kubuntu-default-settings "Preconfigure font rendering settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538512