[06:57] <micahg> asac: /usr/share/idl doesn't exist in Thunderbird
[06:59] <ddecator> haha, debuild built a songbird .deb =)
[06:59] <micahg> ddecator: nice, can you propose a merge or push up to LP in a private branch of yours so I can see the changes?
[07:00] <ddecator> micahg: once debuild finishes i'm going to test to see if it installs alright. if it does, then i'll do that. do you prefer a merge request or me uploading to my own ppa?
[07:01] <ddecator> and it finished =)
[07:01] <micahg> ddecator: merge request is fine to lp:songbrid
[07:01] <micahg> *songbird
[07:01] <micahg> ddecator: you have to push under your name first
[07:01] <ddecator> micahg: alright, mind telling me real quick how i do that?
[07:02] <micahg> ddecator: bzr push lp:~ddecatur/songbird/fix-songbird-daily-20100321
[07:02] <ddecator> micahg: from the folder that has the .deb in it?
[07:03] <micahg> ddecator: not the deb
[07:03] <micahg> the bzr branch
[07:03] <ddecator> micahg: so...the songbird folder or the build-area folder?
[07:03] <micahg> ddecator: neither
[07:04] <micahg> ddecator: you need to copy your changes back to the bzr branch that you created
[07:05] <ddecator> micahg: ok, so in groundcontrol, go into the bzr folder labeled "songbird," copy all of my changes into there, and then push it?
[07:05] <ddecator> micahg: p.s., it loaded fine ;)
[07:05] <ddecator> and plays my music =D
[07:07] <micahg> ddecator: great :)
[07:07] <ddecator> and all of my information is still on there =)
[07:07] <micahg> I'm interested in the changes from 1.5 to 1.8
[07:08] <ddecator> micahg: alright, sorry, just not sure what all i need to do...so copy everything into that bzr folder or just replace the debian folder in there?
[07:08] <ddecator> micahg: i really like the new look...actually fits the default lucid theme (purple)
[07:08] <micahg> ddecator: copy your changes into that folder
[07:08] <ddecator> micahg: so the .deb, dgb.deb, diff, all of it?
[07:08] <micahg> ddecator: i.e. the files you modified in debian in the build-area
[07:09] <micahg> ddecator: no
[07:09] <ddecator> micahg: ah, so the debian folder, gotcha
[07:10] <ddecator> aw, didn't save my ratings or playlists =(
[07:11] <ddecator> micahg: hopefully i'm doing this right with groundcontrol...
[07:11] <ddecator> micahg: it's uploading
[07:11] <micahg> ddecator: I haven't used it so I don't know
[07:12] <ddecator> micahg: request merge?
[07:12] <micahg> ddecator: yes
[07:13] <ddecator> micahg: should be done
[07:14] <micahg> ddecator: nope you did that wrong
[07:15] <ddecator> micahg: what's wrong?
[07:15] <micahg> ddecator: did you copy the whole debian dir?
[07:15] <ddecator> micahg: yes
[07:15] <micahg> ddecator: that's the problem
[07:15] <micahg> ddecator: you only needed to copy the files you changed...debian/tmp is where make install puts stuff
[07:15] <micahg> Diff against target:                166205 lines (+164087/-37) 279 files  modified
[07:16] <ddecator> micahg: oops...
[07:17] <ddecator> micahg: one sec
[07:17] <ddecator> micahg: groundcontrol had me save the change, so i'll pull the latest branch and do it right this time =p
[07:18] <micahg> ddecator: k
[07:22] <ddecator> micahg: it says "these branches have diverged"
[07:22] <micahg> ddecator: -push --overwrite
[07:27] <ddecator> micahg: ok, i think i got it that time
[07:31] <ddecator> still buggy...
[07:31] <ddecator> but not bad =)
[07:37] <ddecator> micahg: does it look like i did it right that time?
[07:40] <vish> ddecator: simply close old bugs wher you havent heard back for more than 2 months ;)   sometimes closing the bug only pokes the OP to reply :)
[07:41] <vish> ddecator: ex: Bug 391675
[07:41] <ddecator> vish: haha, i've just been following the "wait 4 weeks, ask them to reply, wait 2 more weeks, close the bug" idea from the bugsquad wiki =p
[07:41] <vish> ddecator: i use the last marked "incomplete"   and then see the 2 months :)
[07:42] <ddecator> vish: fair enough, i'll start doing something like that, mainly just to prevent bugmail spamming (like i did tonight ;))
[07:42] <vish> ddecator: is that 4..2..close in the wiki?  hmm
[07:42] <ddecator> vish: yah, let me find a sec...
[07:44] <ddecator> vish: see the "incomplete bugs without response from submitter" on the replies wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Incomplete%20bugs%20without%20a%20response%20from%20submitter)
[07:45] <vish> ddecator: hehe , neat , thats shorter than 2 months \o/
[07:45] <ddecator> vish: "more than 4 weeks" is what starts the gray area ;)
[07:47] <vish> ddecator: ;) i use the last after 2weeks message at 2 months :)
[07:48] <ddecator> vish: fair enough, i'll think about adjusting my methods a little =)
[07:49] <vish> ddecator: nah , not a problem for me.. was just trying to save you the trouble ;)
[07:49] <ddecator> vish: not a problem for you, possibly annoying for those subscribed to firefox bugs ;) at least while i'm doing clean-up...
[07:50] <micahg> ddecator: as long as you're following policy, it's fine by me
[07:51] <ddecator> micahg: i figure everyone is just deleting my spam like i am =p
[07:51] <ddecator> micahg: btw, did i upload the branch right this time?
[07:52] <micahg> ddecator: it says it hasn't been pushed ot yet
[07:52] <ddecator> ...
[07:53] <micahg> ddecator: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ddecator/songbird/fix-songbird-daily-20100321
[07:53] <ddecator> micahg: does that mean i didn't push it to lp right?
[07:53] <micahg> ddecator: idk
[07:54] <ddecator> micahg: i just used the bzr command you gave (groundcontrol was freaking out on me)
[07:54] <micahg> ddecator: run bzr log -r109 -p | less and tell me how many lines it is
[07:54] <micahg> bzr log -r109 -p | wc -l <---is probably better as it will give you a line count
[07:55] <ddecator> micahg: 240
[08:10] <ddecator> micahg: should i try again?
[08:10] <micahg> ddecator: idk, try pushing to something else under your name
[08:11] <ddecator> micahg: huh...when i try to unlock it in groundcontrol, it says the lock is in use...
[08:11] <micahg> ddecator: idk about ground control
[08:11] <micahg> try the cli :)
[08:12] <ddecator> oh...
[08:13] <ddecator> let me pastebin the error a sec
[08:14] <ddecator> micahg: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/398648/
[08:14] <ddecator> micahg: running that created a branch with the same problem (i deleted it)
[08:16] <micahg> ddecator: can you pastebin the diff: bzr log -r109 -p
[08:16] <micahg> ddecator: actually, email it to me...I need ot go to sleep
[08:16] <ddecator> micahg: sure thing
[08:16] <micahg> ddecator: that or get someone to help you with the branch
[08:17] <micahg> waaaaaay past my bed time
[08:17] <ddecator> whoa, it's later than i thought...
[08:20] <ddecator> here is the other output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/398650/
[08:25] <micahg> ddecator: interesting, I'll review tommorrow
[08:25] <ddecator> micahg: sounds good, thanks
[12:22] <asac> hmm. thats odd. it built here
[12:23] <asac> did they drop that post .3 ?
[12:23] <asac> (/usr/share/idl/
[12:24] <BUGabundo> asac: still no fix for FF3.7 not starting ??
[12:25] <asac> BUGabundo: chrisccoulson is your friend ;)
[12:25] <BUGabundo> not lately :(
[12:25] <BUGabundo> and what has chrisccoulson to do with it?
[12:26] <chrisccoulson> hi!
[12:28] <BUGabundo> o/
[12:30] <asac> BUGabundo: he is now taking care of firefox too ;)
[12:31] <BUGabundo> o k a y.....
[12:36] <asac> BUGabundo: what are your symptoms?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> flu
[12:37] <asac> BUGabundo: not starting?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> but other then that I'm fine :p
[12:37] <asac> even with no extension?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> now in what concerns to FF3.7
[12:37] <BUGabundo> not even safe mode works
[12:37] <asac> BUGabundo: what do you get on the console when running -safe-mode
[12:37] <asac> please paste
[12:38] <BUGabundo> nothing at all
[12:38] <BUGabundo> just a pop up
[12:38] <BUGabundo> with
[12:38] <BUGabundo> Firefox-3.7 is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox-3.7 process, or restart your system.
[12:39] <asac> BUGabundo: so first run works?
[12:39] <asac> but then it stops?
[12:39] <BUGabundo> $ firefox-3.7 -P /tmp/f
[12:39] <BUGabundo> seems to work
[12:39] <chrisccoulson> i did see that once with FF 3.7 after it crashed
[12:40] <asac> so first start works
[12:40] <BUGabundo> seems so
[12:40] <asac> second start works too ;)
[12:40] <asac> it just took quit3e a bit until it stopped
[12:40] <asac> e.g. the previous
[12:40] <asac> run
[12:41] <BUGabundo> trying old profile
[12:41] <BUGabundo> Minefield cannot use the profile "3.7-4" because it is in use.
[12:41] <BUGabundo> To continue, close the running instance of Minefield or choose a different profile
[12:42] <BUGabundo> but I have NO firefox of any version running
[12:44] <asac> why did you name the profile 3.7-4?
[12:44] <asac> is that a pattern you used before?
[12:44] <BUGabundo> I have way too many profiles
[12:45] <BUGabundo> yes it is
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, do you have a stale .parentlock file in your profile? i had that after FF 3.7 crashed, and I couldn't get it to start again with symptoms that sounded like yours...
[12:45] <BUGabundo> :~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls | pastebinit   http://paste.ubuntu.com/398746/
[12:45] <BUGabundo> I've got all my profiles since ff 2.x
[12:46] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 0 2010-03-14 18:59 .parentlock
[12:47] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: removing parentlock seems to work
[12:49] <BUGabundo> shouldn't those be automagicly removed?
[12:49] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, they are if it shuts down normally
[12:51]  * BUGabundo goes to update a bunch of addons now that 3.7a3 is supported by nightly tools 
[12:54] <asac> parentlock shouldnt become stale ;)
[12:54] <asac> maybe worse to take a look here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.2/source/profile/dirserviceprovider/src/nsProfileLock.cpp
[12:56] <asac> so we have LockWithFcntl and LockWithSymlink
[12:56] <asac> oops have to run out for a bit
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> asac - thanks for the pointer. i will investigate that next time it happens again
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> asac - if you get a chance, could you please look over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/extension-list at some point
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> feel free to make changes where you think we should keep some extensions
[13:52] <Milos_SD> Hello
[13:52] <Milos_SD> What is going on with Firefox 3.7 builds?
[13:53] <Milos_SD> The last one was on march the 4th
[14:38] <Milos_SD> Hello
[14:38] <Milos_SD> What is going on with Firefox 3.7 builds?
[14:38] <Milos_SD> The last one was on march the 4th. :(
[14:46] <mahfouz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[14:46] <mahfouz> 10 hours ago
[14:48] <mahfouz> oh, failed to build
[14:51] <Milos_SD> mahfouz, it's like that for about 17 days :(
[14:51] <mahfouz> yeah, something is broken
[14:52] <mahfouz> they said they would get back to it when 3.7 is in beta
[14:53] <mahfouz> Milos_SD, you know you can get good builds from mozilla
[14:53] <Milos_SD> yes
[14:53] <Milos_SD> but how to install it insted of this one? :)
[14:53] <Milos_SD> overwrite all files? :D
[14:54] <mahfouz> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
[14:54] <mahfouz> just download
[14:54] <mahfouz> and click "firefox"
[14:54] <mahfouz> you don't need to compile
[14:54] <mahfouz> the only problem is it might use your 3.6 profile cause it's called "firefox"
[14:54] <mahfouz> and not "firefox-3.7"
[15:01] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: mahfouz please don't go out of official repos
[15:01] <mahfouz> go out?
[15:01] <mahfouz> at least I don't go out with official repos :)
[15:03] <mahfouz> BUGabundo, so when will there be a workable 3.7 in dailies?
[15:04] <BUGabundo> that I don't know
[15:04] <mahfouz> do you know when mozilla will go into beta1?
[15:04] <mahfouz> for 3.7 i mean
[15:05] <mahfouz> anyway, I like 3.7, it's really faster for things like gmail
[15:09] <BUGabundo> chromium is faster :P
[15:10] <mahfouz> chromium is slower than 3.7 for me when it comes to loading gmail
[15:10] <mahfouz> chromium is only faster because it has no real ad blocker :)
[15:25] <asac> chrisccoulson: I think we should read the code and see why this could happen
[15:25] <asac> but ok ;)
[15:28] <asac> mahfouz: i dont understand why chromium should be faster as it has no real ad blocker
[15:28] <asac> or is that a typo?
[15:28] <mahfouz> sorry
[15:28] <mahfouz> I meant the acid test
[15:28] <mahfouz> chromium does not pass the acid test for me with ad blocker
[15:29] <asac> kk
[15:29] <mahfouz> it also hangs for me sometimes
[15:29] <asac> chrisccoulson: ffox 3.7 daily build also is ftbfs (read above)
[15:29] <mahfouz> ftbfs?
[15:30] <BUGabundo> fail to build from source
[15:30] <BUGabundo> !ftbfs
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> asac, ok, i'll take a look at that in a bit
[15:31] <mahfouz> Hunk #1 FAILED at 67.
[15:31] <mahfouz> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file browser/installer/package-manifest.in
[15:32] <mahfouz> Patch bzXXX_moz_app_name_inconsistencies.patch does not apply (enforce with -f)
[15:32] <asac> yeah needs to be rebased
[15:44] <asac> hmm. seems tbird only fails on hardy, jaunty
[15:44] <asac> and intrepid
[15:45] <asac> guess i am using a _new_ cdbs feature ;)
[15:48] <asac> BUGabundo: is your ffox profile on nfs?
[15:54] <BUGabundo> nope
[15:54] <BUGabundo> ext4
[15:54] <BUGabundo> local disk
[15:55] <sebner> asac: guess this is the perfect opportunity to switch to glory dh7 ;P
[16:07] <AnAnt> Hello, I just upgraded to lucid beta from karmic, firefox doesn't start anymore and it doesn't give an error, how can I find out the problem
[16:08] <AnAnt> I found that if I remove my ~/.mozilla/firefox/ , firefox works, is there some log file to look at or so ?
[16:09] <asac> AnAnt: i think thats fully fixed in bzr now
[16:09] <asac> try daily please
[16:09] <asac> if not let me know
[16:09] <AnAnt> daily ?
[16:10] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[16:10] <asac> just add and upgrade
[16:11] <AnAnt> ok
[16:41] <AnAnt> asac: that worked, thanks
[16:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: anyways...could you please upload xul192-0ubuntu2 that's tagged?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i need to check to make sure i can upload that first
[16:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, maybe you can't...
[16:56] <micahg> bdrung: around?
[17:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: maybe you can help me apply for a mozilla package group? :)
[17:03] <micahg> s/group/set/
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i think that's a good idea
[17:11] <bdrung> micahg: now
[17:11] <micahg> bdrung: hi, can you upload the tagged xulrunner-1.9.2-0ubuntu2 update please :)
[17:12] <bdrung> micahg: ask me in two hours again
[17:12] <micahg> bdrung: ok, thanks :)
[17:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, did you know there's an #ubuntu-release channel?
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't normally hang out in there though ;)
[17:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[17:50] <asac> i dont see a tagged 1.9.2
[17:51] <asac> oh
[17:53] <asac> let me upload 192
[17:55] <micahg> asac: k, thanks :)
[17:56] <micahg> asac: then I'll do final tests on fennec and prism and tag for release
[17:57] <asac> uploadewd
[17:57] <asac> btw tbird only fails hardy - jaunty
[17:58] <asac> because cdbs is too old there
[17:58] <asac> will fix that and a few other things to make the sdk more complete
[17:59] <micahg> asac: k, should I assign the enigmail bug to you or chrisccoulson?
[18:07] <asac> micahg: enigmail will be tough
[18:07] <asac> i tried it and it seem to still use INTERNAL API
[18:07] <asac> which isn broken with sdk approach
[18:07] <micahg> asac: that's not good
[18:08] <jcastro> asac: what are your thoughts on bundling the chrome ambiance and radiance themes?
[18:12] <asac> jcastro: what theme are we using atm by default ;)?
[18:12] <asac> Human?
[18:12] <jcastro> no, the default bright blue upstream one
[18:12] <asac> i mean in general ;)
[18:12] <asac> jcastro: on our desktop ;) ... what is selected in Appearence there?
[18:12] <jcastro> ambiance afaik
[18:13] <asac> hmm
[18:14] <jcastro> should I just file a bug?
[18:14] <asac> jcastro: talk to fta ;)
[18:14] <asac> we can probably get that in, if we know how to properly package such
[18:15] <jcastro> ok
[19:13] <fta> jcastro, if you mean scrollbar, you'll need to do that in css, it's not a gtk widget
[19:20] <jcastro> fta: no I mean the general theme. The scrollbar one is an extension and probably isn't a good idea to ship it since it breaks some features
[19:22] <micahg> asac: gjs is ported with JIT disabled...some of the tests fail, do we need to worry about it?
[19:23] <micahg> asac: some of the tests fail with it enabled..it works fine with it disabled
[19:33] <fta> jcastro, there's no system path to store addons/themes (just user dirs), but upstream agreed it's a must-have feature
[20:01] <mahfouz> is it possible to remove this stuff?
[20:01] <mahfouz> (firefox-bin:1486): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
[20:02] <mahfouz> my .xsession-errors is unreadable :)
[20:02] <micahg> mahfouz: that's flash
[20:11] <jcastro> fta: is system themes/addons an existing bug in the upstream? I can keep a wishlist open in lp.
[20:44] <fta> jcastro, i'm not sure, i discussed that last week with upstream, but i didn't file a bug myself, i'm busy with work
[20:44] <jcastro> ok cool, thanks
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> has anyone here used refdbg before?
[21:54] <TomJaeger> Hi, so what's the deal with bug #512615 ?
[21:55]  * micahg runs away
[22:15] <TomJaeger> So am I to understand that you don't care enough about the bug to fix it?
[22:16] <micahg> TomJaeger: I do care...it needs more time than I have ATM
[22:17] <TomJaeger> How is it going to be fixed? --enable-system cairo or patching firefox's internal version of cairo
[22:17] <micahg> TomJaeger: we need to get it fixed upstream either by mozilla or cairo
[22:17] <TomJaeger> So it's not going to happen for lucid?
[22:18] <micahg> I can't say for sure
[22:18] <TomJaeger> wow
[22:19] <TomJaeger> what's wrong with system cairo?
[22:26] <TomJaeger> Let's face it -- the chances of anything happening upstream before lucid reaches hardcore freeze mode are essentially 0.
[22:27] <micahg> TomJaeger: yes, but since we're using upstream libs, we can get the fix after lucid releases as well :)
[22:28] <TomJaeger> How long will this take, though?  In my mind, a year would be very optimistic.
[22:29] <micahg> TomJaeger: idk...it depends if we can prove how widespread the problem is...ATM, it's just Ubuntu with the issue AFAIK
[22:29] <TomJaeger> yes, because only debian/ubuntu is shipping with a patched cairo
[22:30] <TomJaeger> and for debian this obviously wouldn't be a problem since they can just patch away however they feel like.
[22:31] <micahg> TomJaeger: right
[22:34] <TomJaeger> The issue comes up periodically on the cairo mailing list (last time in January), but no conclusion is ever reached.
[22:38] <TomJaeger> And even if this feature gets added to cairo master eventually, the result is unlikely to be backportable.
[22:40] <micahg> TomJaeger: one problem at a time
[22:40] <TomJaeger> This is my point, though -- sorting all of this out will take a lot of time.
[23:21] <TomJaeger> Just to be clear, the decision that ubuntu will not enable system cairo (for fear that mozilla bump its cairo dependency in a point release) is set in stone?
[23:23] <micahg> TomJaeger: Not my place to say
[23:43] <[reed]> asac / micahg / fta: http://design-noir.de/log/2010/03/hit-by-a-really-nasty-bug-in-ubuntu/
[23:46] <micahg> [reed]: ??
[23:47] <micahg> [reed]: are you complaining or informing?
[23:47] <[reed]> dao hates lucid's default window control placement so much that he's basically threatening to resort to XUL-based title bar rather than native
[23:49] <micahg> [reed]: ah...I see
[23:52] <asac> TomJaeger: thats set in stone, yes. we need to get permission to patch in-source one. for that collecting links to relevant upstream discussion would help
[23:52] <asac> micahg: i have a working enigmail ;)
[23:52] <asac> if you have x86 i can give you an .xpi to test
[23:54] <asac> http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/enigmail-1.0-linux-i686.xpi
[23:56] <micahg> asac: great
[23:56] <micahg> asac: can I test?
[23:56] <micahg> asac: I'm on amd64 :)
[23:58] <asac> nope
[23:58] <asac> only in x86 chroot then
[23:58] <micahg> asac: it won't work when you're done or right now?
[23:59] <asac> err. that xpi wont work
[23:59] <asac> because its x86
[23:59] <asac> the final result will work
[23:59] <asac> but cant build amd64 atm
[23:59] <micahg> right, ok, I'll wait till it gets in archvie then
[23:59]  * micahg is testing fennec